How come players with big muscles can't be good shooters?

[KG5MVP]

How come all the really good shooters have to be skinny..... Why can't buff guys be good shooters?

[jaydacris]

impressive. i see what you did there.

[okayabc123]

shooting the ball is a skill/technique. It's not the muscles that helps the ball get into the hoop.

You practice long enough, it doesn't matter if you are build like Dwight Howard or Sasha Vujacic, you will be able to shoot.

[gyu]

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gordon6_050809.jpg
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/9/9e/Act_ben_gordon.jpg

More jacked than LeBron (I used LeBron because people always rave about his muscles)

[plowking]

Gilbert Arenas? One of the better 3pt shooters.
Dwyane Wade? Good midrange game.
Lebron? A decent shooter all round.

[gyu]

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http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/derek_fisher.jpg

[Juges8932]

Gilbert Arenas? One of the better 3pt shooters.
Dwyane Wade? Good midrange game.
Lebron? A decent shooter all round.

Gilbert Arenas is not buff or have big muscles lol.

[plowking]

Gilbert Arenas is not buff or have big muscles lol.

He's 220lbs and 6'4. Got some massive shoulders too.

[IamSofaKing]

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gordon6_050809.jpg
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/9/9e/Act_ben_gordon.jpg

More jacked than LeBron (I used LeBron because people always rave about his muscles)

Two 100 pound dumbells? I thought they were just a myth

[DeAndre Gordon]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/10/21/warriors/corey-maggette.jpg

[inclinerator]

Two 100 pound dumbells? I thought they were just a myth
incline bench press
edit: oh u mean the myth of a wielded together 100 lbs dumbbell

corey maggette is not a great shooter

[ShaqAttack3234]

David Robinson was a good shooter for a big man and Zo had a good mid-range jumper and turnaround jumper.

[ImmortalD24]

http://rootzoo.com/uploads/1199166208.jpg
http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/derek_fisher.jpg
Buike is average at best.

Fisher isn't good at anything.

[RoTM]

incline bench press
edit: oh u mean the myth of a wielded together 100 lbs dumbbell

corey maggette is not a great shooter

For half a second I thought he might be trying to curl them.

[DuMa]

im gonna go ahead and say none of the players listed in this thread are good shooters.

good shooters have a lot of muscle dexterity and flexibility so that their whole body can move more fluidity for a much better arcing shot. big muscles tend to rob the limbs from being able to move more fluid.

thats my 2 cents

[Ancient Legend]

Karl Malone was money from just inside the 3pt line.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Has to do with muscle memory. Thats why white guys are the best shooter they cant build muscle well but have good muscle memory

[lilgodfather1]

So a 200 pound bench press makes a player really strong now? Damn I would be the strongest player in the NBA!!!!

[lilgodfather1]

Has to do with muscle memory. Thats why white guys are the best shooter they cant build muscle well but have good muscle memory
No you are wrong, white people can't build fast twitch muscle as easy as black people. But as for actual muscle itself it is as easy for white people as anybody else. White people are good shooters because generally they don't have the athletic ability to be slashers like Wade/LeBron so they turn into good shooters and passers.

[inclinerator]

we're talking about big muscle mass it doesn't mean ben gordon is the strongest in the league

[CeoTypeDoe619]

No you are wrong, white people can't build fast twitch muscle as easy as black people. But as for actual muscle itself it is as easy for white people as anybody else. White people are good shooters because generally they don't have the athletic ability to be slashers like Wade/LeBron so they turn into good shooters and passers.
Lol go read a book. Black people are naturally more athletic and strong. And when they work out they build muscle,get leaner, a lot faster. How come you never see no Dwade, Kobe,Lebron athletic white boys?

But you are right about black people build fast twitch muscles and white people are more prone to building slow twitch fibers. But even look at females. The all are not really athletic but the white females are the better shooters

[lilgodfather1]

Lol go read a book. Black people are naturally more athletic and strong. And when they work out they build muscle,get leaner, a lot faster. How come you never see no Dwade, Kobe,Lebron athletic white boys?

But you are right about black people build fast twitch muscles and white people are more prone to building slow twitch fibers. But even look at females. The all are not really athletic but the white females are the better shooters
I don't need to read a book. Black people are naturally more athletic, well no ****ing shit lol. But they are not naturally stronger than white people. Often black kids have to work a lot harder than white kids do, but if we took 100 white kids, 100 black kids and put them in the same encironment the split of strength between the 200 kids would be 50/50.

[Dave3]

Lol go read a book. Black people are naturally more athletic and strong. And when they work out they build muscle,get leaner, a lot faster. How come you never see no Dwade, Kobe,Lebron athletic white boys?

But you are right about black people build fast twitch muscles and white people are more prone to building slow twitch fibers. But even look at females. The all are not really athletic but the white females are the better shooters
What you're labelling athletcism is the effect of fast twich muscle fibres. African Americans have more of those, which gives them better explosiveness and quickness, which is what you think athleticism is. Europeans build slow twitch muscle fibres which give more strength and endurance and that's why most hockey players are European.

African Americans looking leaner has nothing to do with muscle. They have higher metabolic rates than Europeans, so they have much less fat tissue in their bodies so their muscles show easier through the skin.

That's all factual if you care to listen. If you're going to reply with something like "go read" then there's no point in arguing with someone who denies facts.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Black guys may be more athletic, but I'm not sure if they have any more ability to become leaner and more muscular. I mean look at most body builders, they're mostly white guys.

[Dave3]

Black guys may be more athletic, but I'm not sure if they have any more ability to become leaner and more muscular. I mean look at most body builders, they're mostly white guys.
I explained it in post above. European muscle tissue has the advantage of endurance and strength wheras African muscle tissue has muscle designed more for quickness.
When it comes to power lifting, strength is the main key, hence the domination by Europeans.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I explained it in post above. European muscle tissue has the advantage of endurance and strength wheras African muscle tissue has muscle designed more for quickness.
When it comes to power lifting, strength is the main key, hence the domination by Europeans.

My point was that I haven't noticed much of a difference in vascularity between the 2 races. I mean even look at action movie stars like Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jean-Claude Van Damme ect.

[Dave3]

My point was that I haven't noticed much of a difference in vascularity between the 2 races. I mean even look at action movie stars like Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jean-Claude Van Damme ect.
More potential for strength = more potential for size. It's not a perfect correlation but it is a strong one nonetheless.

[dr8ked]

practise is all it takes. A guy like arenas challenges himself to make 10,000 shots in 3 months during the offseason. Muscles don't matter, if you shoot the ball consistently you will be a good shooter. Shooting, just like muscle building is more effective with constant repetitions.

[Juges8932]

So a 200 pound bench press makes a player really strong now? Damn I would be the strongest player in the NBA!!!!

It's dumb bell incline press. 200 lb dumb bell =/= 200 barbell. You also don't know how many reps he was doing or what stage of his work out he was in. You just see a picture with him holding them about to do a set. You have no idea of the circumstances. And yeah, I'd say if you are repping 2 100 lb dumb bells on incline bench, you are strong. It depends on your definition of strong I guess, but I would definitely say from going to various gyms that it is above average by a fair margin of gym-goers.

[kobesabi]

Shooter spend more time shooting than pumping iron. Usually, people get good more at what they spend more time on. You get what you put in. You sacrafice one thing for another.

[fubu05]

How come all the really good shooters have to be skinny..... Why can't buff guys be good shooters?

MJ had un-humanly buffed legs. Theres a picture of his legs around somewhere where you see a part of his calf, that is not supposed to be seen :eek: That is how jacked his legs were.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

I don't need to read a book. Black people are naturally more athletic, well no ****ing shit lol. But they are not naturally stronger than white people. Often black kids have to work a lot harder than white kids do, but if we took 100 white kids, 100 black kids and put them in the same encironment the split of strength between the 200 kids would be 50/50.
Hahaha hell nah more like 65/35

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

because they are in the weight room more then they are practicing free throws.

[Go Getter]

I explained it in post above. European muscle tissue has the advantage of endurance and strengthwheras African muscle tissue has muscle designed more for quickness.
When it comes to power lifting, strength is the main key, hence the domination by Europeans.


Africans dominate the world of distance running FYI.....and some of the strongest men in the world are black....I'm just saying:confusedshrug:

[plowking]

Africans dominate the world of distance running FYI.....and some of the strongest men in the world are black....I'm just saying:confusedshrug:

Weightlifting and strongman competitions are dominated by white Europeans, particularly from the Balkan areas. They are genetically better for exercises involving lifting, pulling, etc over a extended period of time.
American blacks are generally good for power exercises such as sprinting, jumping and explosive lifting.
Distance running is completely different once again. That's reducing muscle mass and not needing the ridiculous amount of oxygen needed for the muscle bound freaks, thus able to continue running for further.

[fubu05]

Africans dominate the world of distance running FYI.....and some of the strongest men in the world are black....I'm just saying:confusedshrug:

There's no point to "just saying" Biology says that Africans have the best twitch muscles of any race, and the europeans have more of a strength based muscle tissue.

Hmm, David Suzuki or an ISH poster. :confusedshrug:

[Timmy D for MVP]

I think you're looking at this correlation backwards:

I think the shooters spend more time develpoing muscles that allow for them to shoot well.

I think the guys with big muscles are that way because they developed that to help what they do.

For example: Chuck Hayes can't shoot because he doesn't focus on developing that part of his game.

He is enormous because he's an enforcing player.

He is not a bad shooter because he is enormous.

I didn't word it right but do you get it?

[fubu05]

I think you're looking at this correlation backwards:

I think the shooters spend more time develpoing muscles that allow for them to shoot well.

I think the guys with big muscles are that way because they developed that to help what they do.

For example: Chuck Hayes can't shoot because he doesn't focus on developing that part of his game.

He is enormous because he's an enforcing player.

He is not a bad shooter because he is enormous.

I didn't word it right but do you get it?

I guess I see what you are saying. Cool avatar bro.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I guess I see what you are saying. Cool avatar bro.

Gotta dig the Living Tribunal. :cheers:

I just think it's a matter of circumstance. Not a cause.

[ZenMaster]

The African runners have been running since they where small children and this has been going on for generations. They come mostly from certain parts of Africa where they have a long ways to get to school and everything is away from their home. They have no other way to get around than by running. Kenya for example develop a huge number of mid to long distance runners.

[lefthook00]

It's not about muscles affecting your shot. The more muscle tissue you have, the harder your heart has to work to get blood to all of that muscle, so bigger muscles = fatigue faster(generally speaking). Since basketball is a sport that requires a lot of running, this means that the best basketball players are usually skinny. The best basketball players are usually good shooters too. So they are mostly skinny and good shooters. It's also harder to put on mass when you have long limbs like that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you're huge, you probably won't reach elite level basketball, and it will be for reasons other than your shooting such as height or conditioning.

[Maestro33]

Having gone from 150 pound shooter to 210 pounds with less shot but more game, i can say that the main reason my shooting dropped came down to my chest widening my arms and stropping me from easily bringing my shooting arm under the ball as we are all taught to do. The harder time u have tucking, the more squirelly the shot will be. Just like in pool. If you bring the cue in on an angle it messes up the shot.

[chains5000]

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[FindingTim]

What you're labelling athletcism is the effect of fast twich muscle fibres. African Americans have more of those, which gives them better explosiveness and quickness, which is what you think athleticism is. Europeans build slow twitch muscle fibres which give more strength and endurance and that's why most hockey players are European.

African Americans looking leaner has nothing to do with muscle. They have higher metabolic rates than Europeans, so they have much less fat tissue in their bodies so their muscles show easier through the skin.

That's all factual if you care to listen. If you're going to reply with something like "go read" then there's no point in arguing with someone who denies facts.

oh okay. that explains why most marathon winners are Kenyan.

[Go Getter]

There's no point to "just saying" Biology says that Africans have the best twitch muscles of any race, and the europeans have more of a strength based muscle tissue.

Hmm, David Suzuki or an ISH poster. :confusedshrug:

I was 'just saying' or making a counter point to your statement that Europeans have better slow twitch fibers which allows for better endurance.

Which, at first glance, looks iffy because as I said almost all the great marathon runners are African.

Also, [for example] you could say that whites are the best at hockey and ice skating...but is it because of genetics or because ppl that don't particularly care for the cold don't participate?

[Go Getter]

The African runners have been running since they where small children and this has been going on for generations. They come mostly from certain parts of Africa where they have a long ways to get to school and everything is away from their home. They have no other way to get around than by running. Kenya for example develop a huge number of mid to long distance runners.


Kenya has cities you know and everyone from every nationality runs. It's one of the most pure expressions of athleticism there is.

[DeAndre Gordon]

Having gone from 150 pound shooter to 210 pounds with less shot but more game, i can say that the main reason my shooting dropped came down to my chest widening my arms and stropping me from easily bringing my shooting arm under the ball as we are all taught to do. The harder time u have tucking, the more squirelly the shot will be. Just like in pool. If you bring the cue in on an angle it messes up the shot.


Also I think the stronger you are, the lighter the ball feels in your hands which can make it more difficult to judge what kind of force to throw it with, plus the weight of the ball helps to keep the hand steady while it shoots and if you're so strong that the ball has little value in terms of relative weight its going to be harder to keep it steady.

[thejumpa]

Having gone from 150 pound shooter to 210 pounds with less shot but more game, i can say that the main reason my shooting dropped came down to my chest widening my arms and stropping me from easily bringing my shooting arm under the ball as we are all taught to do. The harder time u have tucking, the more squirelly the shot will be. Just like in pool. If you bring the cue in on an angle it messes up the shot.

I was waiting for someone to say this...

I think this one of the reasons why people like Dwight,LeBron,and Rondo have trouble with their shooting form. Broad shoulders+wide chest+enlarged muscles=hard time getting proper form down. The exact same thing happened to me.

[ZenMaster]

Kenya has cities you know and everyone from every nationality runs. It's one of the most pure expressions of athleticism there is.


The runners come from the same part or parts of the country.

In my country there used to be a great runner, Wilson Kipketer, the worlds best at the 800m, he was originally from Kenya and they made a documentary where he went back to the place in Kenya where he was originally from. They ran so much you have no idea. Where are not talking about your usual run to stay in shape.

Apparently the climate of the country is a big part of it as too.

"So it seems that Kenya's altitude and its particular stage of economic development are a fortuitous combination that has helped to turn out legions of world class distance runners. The odd thing is that while the vast majority of Kenyans share these circumstances, the runners, with very few exceptions, have come from just four of the country's 40 tribes: the Kikuyu, the Kamba, the Kisii (or Gusii) and the Kalenjin. In fact, about three-fourths of Kenya's best runners come from just one of these tribes, the Kalenjin, who make up a little more than 10% of the population."

http://www.kenyarunners.com/pages/167371/page167371.html?refresh=1112199340095

[plowking]

oh okay. that explains why most marathon winners are Kenyan.

Some people are thick.

There is things such as slow twitch and fast twitch muscle. Black Americans generally build fast twitch muscle better than anyone, hence good for power and explosive movements.

White Europeans build big, slow twitch muscles good for weightlifting and pull/push exercises over extended periods of time (ala strongman competitions). Thus it is endurance.

Africans (Kenyan's, etc) build a lot less muscle, barely any at all for that matter weighing something like 125lbs, so therefore they are able to do run for longer periods of time compared to the muscle bound freaks. Seeing as they have slow twitch muscles (which are the same), though a lot less, they don't need as much oxygen and blood pumped to their muscles, and are able to endure a lot longer through certain physical exercises such as running.

It's simply a different type of endurance, for different types of exercises.

[DeAndre Gordon]

[B]the runners, with very few exceptions, have come from just four of the country's 40 tribes:


lol at countries still having tribes in 2010

[ZenMaster]

lol at countries still having tribes in 2010

What a dumbass comment, go play on your xbox or something.

[Go Getter]

Some people are thick.

There is things such as slow twitch and fast twitch muscle. Black Americans generally build fast twitch muscle better than anyone, hence good for power and explosive movements.

White Europeans build big, slow twitch muscles good for weightlifting and pull/push exercises over extended periods of time (ala strongman competitions). Thus it is endurance.

Africans (Kenyan's, etc) build a lot less muscle, barely any at all for that matter weighing something like 125lbs, so therefore they are able to do run for longer periods of time compared to the muscle bound freaks. Seeing as they have slow twitch muscles (which are the same), though a lot less, they don't need as much oxygen and blood pumped to their muscles, and are able to endure a lot longer through certain physical exercises such as running.

It's simply a different type of endurance, for different types of exercises.


In the post I quoted the type of endurance was not specified.

Moreover,

Strong men competitions don't earn you nearly as much coin as NFL lineman/linebacker....I'm willing to bet that many NFL players could do extremely well in strongman competitions with the proper training.

[Go Getter]

lol at countries still having tribes in 2010


Yeah not to be mean or anythig but your knowledge on Africa is obviously very limited. There are still tribes in African countries.

[kunk75]

nowhere near as jacked as lebron. and, i found that my shot improved when i dropped weight. went from 255 to 225 and arms went from 19.75" to 18.25" and shots started falling. same goes for pitchers.



http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gordon6_050809.jpg
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/9/9e/Act_ben_gordon.jpg

More jacked than LeBron (I used LeBron because people always rave about his muscles)

[kunk75]

bigger yes, stronger no. elite powerlifters are all white.



Lol go read a book. Black people are naturally more athletic and strong. And when they work out they build muscle,get leaner, a lot faster. How come you never see no Dwade, Kobe,Lebron athletic white boys?

But you are right about black people build fast twitch muscles and white people are more prone to building slow twitch fibers. But even look at females. The all are not really athletic but the white females are the better shooters

[kunk75]

not at all, as the force stabilizers required for dbell benching is completely different.


It's dumb bell incline press. 200 lb dumb bell =/= 200 barbell. You also don't know how many reps he was doing or what stage of his work out he was in. You just see a picture with him holding them about to do a set. You have no idea of the circumstances. And yeah, I'd say if you are repping 2 100 lb dumb bells on incline bench, you are strong. It depends on your definition of strong I guess, but I would definitely say from going to various gyms that it is above average by a fair margin of gym-goers.

[burnsy87]

im gonna go ahead and say none of the players listed in this thread are good shooters.

good shooters have a lot of muscle dexterity and flexibility so that their whole body can move more fluidity for a much better arcing shot. big muscles tend to rob the limbs from being able to move more fluid.

thats my 2 cents


Gordon is nothing but a shooter...how can you claim he isn't?

Literally his only job on the court is to shoot.

[kentatm]

lol at countries still having tribes in 2010

we still have tribes in the US dipstick

[plowking]

we still have tribes in the US dipstick

10 points to Gryfndor for using the word "dipstick".

Haven't heard that one in a while.

[LA_Showtime]

10 points to Gryfndor for using the word "dipstick".

Haven't heard that one in a while.

Negative 10 points to you for spelling "Gryfndor" incorrectly. Albus would be very disappointed.

[lilgodfather1]

It's dumb bell incline press. 200 lb dumb bell =/= 200 barbell. You also don't know how many reps he was doing or what stage of his work out he was in. You just see a picture with him holding them about to do a set. You have no idea of the circumstances. And yeah, I'd say if you are repping 2 100 lb dumb bells on incline bench, you are strong. It depends on your definition of strong I guess, but I would definitely say from going to various gyms that it is above average by a fair margin of gym-goers.
I agree it is above average, but that is not near strong. I personally can do an incline of 275 and my work out partner can do 315 so it's not like 200 is good, but I would agree that it is not bad.

[thejumpa]

I felt like a boss the first time I did 185. Seriously, I felt like the strongest mother****er in the world (I worked my way up from 95lb haha).

[plowking]

Negative 10 points to you for spelling "Gryfndor" incorrectly. Albus would be very disappointed.

I read 2 pages of the first book and thought it sucked ass. Can you blame me? :ohwell:

[fubu05]

In the post I quoted the type of endurance was not specified.

Moreover,

Strong men competitions don't earn you nearly as much coin as NFL lineman/linebacker....I'm willing to bet that many NFL players could do extremely well in strongman competitions with the proper training.

Dude have you honestly taken to heart, or been offended by the fact that someone said Whites tend to build slow, strength based twitch muscles, more and that Africans tend to build fast twitch muscles for explosive movements. Cause that was honestly not my point, I apologize if I did, I'm just trying to show what biology is saying. I myself am african but it's just biology dude, it's not meant to be racist.

I don't understand what "getting coin" is supposed to do with this. I guess since soccer players are the most successful financially, everyone should stop playing every other sport, even if they are good at it, and go into soccer. :confusedshrug:

Now I bet you chose the NLF because it mainly composed of Africans, fact of the matter is you put a linebacker/lineman(who is african) into a Strong-Man competition with the proper training it will simply be harder for them, and overcome that biological disadvantage to be as good someone who has been in the competition for years. Biologically the european is just built better to withstand tremendous weights for long periods of times. Why is the sport of swimming dominated by whites? Because africans tend to have heavier skeletons and smaller chest cavities. Biologically, the europeans are just more suited towards swimming. Just like biologically the African is more built for a sport like basketball where his twitch muscles can really help him out.

Now, given that certain races are better suited for certain sports, that is not to say that someone of the opposite race cannot be as good or better than someone who is biologically better suited for the sport. Bigger obstacles have been overcome, there has been an African that has won a gold medal in swimming in the Olympics. The sad thing is, that in the U.S. the drowning of black kids is 3x that of the overall rate. Biology does not say that africans can't swim, because they can, but I guess it is just that we're not brought up to really embrace swimming. Not just that, but also that a lot of times, black kids don't have the same opportunity to learn to swim. It is really sad, because it is a problem that is easily fixed.

I love swimming in the summer time, and I remember one time I went to the pool, and I had not gotten a hair cut in a long time(almost big ben like), so I jumped it, and I heard a little kid say to his dad "daddy, look at his hair, its sooo weiirdd" and I looked over and the dad just turned BEET RED!!! I didn't find it offensive because he's a kid, but the dad just turned incredibly red and didn't even know what to say LOL.

[Swaggin916]

not at all, as the force stabilizers required for dbell benching is completely different.

Yea I used to be able to bench 225 16 times on barbell bench... but could only bench press 100 pound dumbells about 13-14 times... like you said much more stabilization required.

I'm still a pretty buff guy, but I can stroke it. In the grand scheme of things I don't know how good I am compared to the best shooters, but I have a better shot than most pick up gamers. Unless you are so massive you have a hard time moving your arms above your head... then it doesn't really matter.

[Juges8932]

not at all, as the force stabilizers required for dbell benching is completely different.

Um, that's what =/= means. 200 dumb bell does NOT equal 200 barbell. Hence the slash between the two equal signs.

[Juges8932]

I agree it is above average, but that is not near strong. I personally can do an incline of 275 and my work out partner can do 315 so it's not like 200 is good, but I would agree that it is not bad.

I was saying that doing dumb bells is NOT the same as barbell.

[dutchguy]

Wow
this is weird to read as a european.
Does everybody agree that the deviation in potential fast twitch muscle build-up is far bigger between individuals than between ethnicity?

[gyu]

I agree it is above average, but that is not near strong. I personally can do an incline of 275 and my work out partner can do 315 so it's not like 200 is good, but I would agree that it is not bad.
Curious what kind of physique you got, no homo

[Pimpdaddy311991]

Ben Gordon & Artest is everyone i can think of.

[1manfastbreak]

Buike is average at best.


is shooting 45% from 3pt land avg? :hammerhead:

[Swaggin916]

Wow
this is weird to read as a european.
Does everybody agree that the deviation in potential fast twitch muscle build-up is far bigger between individuals than between ethnicity?

Everybody can build fast twitch Muscle fibers some people (regaurdless of race) can build them better than others. The ratio of black people who can do it is greater, but anybody can. My friend has a 37 inch vert and I got mine up from 31 to 34 in 6 weeks by training fast twitch muscle fibers (We are both white)... If you train the right way you can be an explosive beast too.

[SRZ66]

So a 200 pound bench press makes a player really strong now? Damn I would be the strongest player in the NBA!!!!
100lb dumbells on incline does not = 200lb bench press. nice bromath. you'd snap your shoulders out of socket if you tried 100's for incline. lol clown

[Dave3]

Yeah not to be mean or anythig but your knowledge on Africa is obviously very limited. There are still tribes in African countries.
Long distance running isn't muscle endurance nearly as much as it is cardiovascular endurance, which is affected by the amount of fat in the blood vessels, which is lower in Africans because of their higher metabolism.

[SRZ66]

nowhere near as jacked as lebron. and, i found that my shot improved when i dropped weight. went from 255 to 225 and arms went from 19.75" to 18.25" and shots started falling. same goes for pitchers.
how can u look at gordon and lebron and say he's nowhere near as jacked? lebron has a big frame, but he's hardly jacked. ben gordon is bigger than him, and i guarantee stronger in the weight room. "lebron weighs 275lbs" and yet you have ben wallace who is the same height and waaaay the hell bigger at 245 or whatever? lol i bet. next year lebron is going to be 6'11 305

[lilgodfather1]

how can u look at gordon and lebron and say he's nowhere near as jacked? lebron has a big frame, but he's hardly jacked. ben gordon is bigger than him, and i guarantee stronger in the weight room. "lebron weighs 275lbs" and yet you have ben wallace who is the same height and waaaay the hell bigger at 245 or whatever? lol i bet. next year lebron is going to be 6'11 305
Ben Wallace isn't bigger than LeBron. Ben has a ton of upper body strength, but LeBrons weight is properly proportioned and he has massive legs.

[chazzy]

Ben Wallace isn't bigger than LeBron.

Gordon you mean?

[Birmingham1955]

Ben Wallace isn't bigger than LeBron. Ben has a ton of upper body strength, but LeBrons weight is properly proportioned and he has massive legs.

This that is what makes LeBron weigh so much. Most ball players have long skinny, but muscular legs like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. However LeBron has thick legs and they are muscluar so thats where he gets all his body weight from. no really has arms. His arms are muscuar, and long.

http://www.fantasysportsday.com/files/fantasysportsday/imagecache/page/images/7421.jpg Wallaces arms are way bigger than Brons, but Bron has thicker legs and last time i checked your quads and hamstrings are your biggest muscles.

[kunk75]

you're nuts. nba players are generally pusses anyway, lol at 185lb bench test.
i think i was 16 when i first walked into a weight room and put up 225 right off the bat.

anyway, lebron probably carries 30-35lbs more muscle than ben.


how can u look at gordon and lebron and say he's nowhere near as jacked? lebron has a big frame, but he's hardly jacked. ben gordon is bigger than him, and i guarantee stronger in the weight room. "lebron weighs 275lbs" and yet you have ben wallace who is the same height and waaaay the hell bigger at 245 or whatever? lol i bet. next year lebron is going to be 6'11 305

[kunk75]

sorry, and yes.

i max out with 140lb dbells but maxed out at 515 on a bench in my latest meet.


Um, that's what =/= means. 200 dumb bell does NOT equal 200 barbell. Hence the slash between the two equal signs.

[fubu05]

This that is what makes LeBron weigh so much. Most ball players have long skinny, but muscular legs like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. However LeBron has thick legs and they are muscluar so thats where he gets all his body weight from. no really has arms. His arms are muscuar, and long.

http://www.fantasysportsday.com/files/fantasysportsday/imagecache/page/images/7421.jpg Wallaces arms are way bigger than Brons, but Bron has thicker legs and last time i checked your quads and hamstrings are your biggest muscles.

Actually, the ass is the biggest muscle in the human body. And LeBron is a big ass, guess that explains why he weighs so much. :confusedshrug:

[gyu]

you're nuts. nba players are generally pusses anyway, lol at 185lb bench test.
i think i was 16 when i first walked into a weight room and put up 225 right off the bat.


:roll:

[Thechosen1]

ummm? allan houston back in the day?

david west today?....thread fail

[ILLsmak]

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gordon6_050809.jpg
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/9/9e/Act_ben_gordon.jpg

More jacked than LeBron (I used LeBron because people always rave about his muscles)

That's who I Thought of, too. STEROIDS.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

you're nuts. nba players are generally pusses anyway, lol at 185lb bench test.
i think i was 16 when i first walked into a weight room and put up 225 right off the bat.

anyway, lebron probably carries 30-35lbs more muscle than ben.

Dude unless you weigh like 300+ I seriously doubt you benched 225 your first time. That's laughable especially in high school. In HS it was always funny to see the biggest, buffest guys go in and hit like 125 because they had never benched before.

-Smak

[kunk75]

you can seriously doubt it but you'd be wrong and I hold 3 regional and 1 state powerlifting records so take that as you will. i weigh 225 now but have been as heavy as 295.


Dude unless you weigh like 300+ I seriously doubt you benched 225 your first time. That's laughable especially in high school. In HS it was always funny to see the biggest, buffest guys go in and hit like 125 because they had never benched before.

-Smak

[Juges8932]

Dude unless you weigh like 300+ I seriously doubt you benched 225 your first time. That's laughable especially in high school. In HS it was always funny to see the biggest, buffest guys go in and hit like 125 because they had never benched before.

-Smak

Nobody who is hitting 125 is anywhere near the realm of buff. In HS, 125 is laughable. I do agree 225 is a lot for a first time max and by far the exception, though.

[phoenix18]

I hate lifting weights. Just hate it.

[ILLsmak]

Nobody who is hitting 125 is anywhere near the realm of buff. In HS, 125 is laughable. I do agree 225 is a lot for a first time max and by far the exception, though.

First things first, how many 16 year olds that have never lifted before do you think are 'buff.'

I mean, I guess this guy could have been doing some other sort of exercise that is similar to bench pressing, but the point is that people who haven't used those muscles in that way will have a hard time. Maybe if you are doing a bunch of push ups with people standing on your back or something.

But, the way he put it he made it seem like the first time he ever seriously worked out he put up 225 and I call BS. I'd go as far as to say that's nearly impossible, and I'd love to see you take a high school kid who has never lifted and put 125 on the bar for him. He might get it a few times, maybe, but it's not only muscles, but balance. It's a totally different thing. While I admit that weight is do-able, I'd be surprised at anything over 200. VERY surprised. In fact, I'd have to see it with my own eyes and have known the person to verify that they didn't lift or do similar exercises.

Edit: Another reason I call BS is because this guy is trying to act like NBA players aren't strong or inferring that he is stronger than most NBA players. For someone who lifts weights, he should understand that a body is a body and then you mold it. The reason their max is lower and don't have impressive numbers (most of them at least) is because unlike someone in a weight lifting comp or football, they are required to play up and down a court. It makes no sense for their bodies to be built for lifting something really heavy once. But if you took these guys at 'age 16 (lol)' and decided to train them into power lifters, I think you'd be surprised what the results would be.

I mean, I could go on, but I'm not going to...


-Smak

[kunk75]

excellent news


First things first, how many 16 year olds that have never lifted before do you think are 'buff.'

I mean, I guess this guy could have been doing some other sort of exercise that is similar to bench pressing, but the point is that people who haven't used those muscles in that way will have a hard time. Maybe if you are doing a bunch of push ups with people standing on your back or something.

But, the way he put it he made it seem like the first time he ever seriously worked out he put up 225 and I call BS. I'd go as far as to say that's nearly impossible, and I'd love to see you take a high school kid who has never lifted and put 125 on the bar for him. He might get it a few times, maybe, but it's not only muscles, but balance. It's a totally different thing. While I admit that weight is do-able, I'd be surprised at anything over 200. VERY surprised. In fact, I'd have to see it with my own eyes and have known the person to verify that they didn't lift or do similar exercises.

Edit: Another reason I call BS is because this guy is trying to act like NBA players aren't strong or inferring that he is stronger than most NBA players. For someone who lifts weights, he should understand that a body is a body and then you mold it. The reason their max is lower and don't have impressive numbers (most of them at least) is because unlike someone in a weight lifting comp or football, they are required to play up and down a court. It makes no sense for their bodies to be built for lifting something really heavy once. But if you took these guys at 'age 16 (lol)' and decided to train them into power lifters, I think you'd be surprised what the results would be.

I mean, I could go on, but I'm not going to...


-Smak