Can someone share FULL game video of Wilt Chamberlain?

[alexandreben]

There're a lot of mix of Wilt Chamberlain on the net while quite a few resources of his FULL game vid

[RaceBannana]

i doubt theres a full game out there.... the closest ive found is the radio transmission of the 4th quarter of his 100 point game...... but its an audio file.

[nbastatus]

i doubt theres a full game out there.... the closest ive found is the radio transmission of the 4th quarter of his 100 point game...... but its an audio file.
How can posters here even say this guy is the top 5 players when none saw one of his full game..

[ZenMaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNzHgG94XM&feature=related

Part 1, you know what to do from there.

[RaceBannana]

How can posters here even say this guy is the top 5 players when none saw one of his full game..

lol. zen master found one.... forgot to look in youtube.:D

[RaceBannana]

oh wait, but its not a full game.:mad:

[ZenMaster]

oh wait, but its not a full game.:mad:

It isn't? What's missing? I had what i think is the 2nd half of a 64 game saved on my youtube, was going to post that but found this one on the related videos and there where like 5 parts to it.
Thought it was the full game, damn, haven't seen it, i'm going to watch after i'm done watching Euroleague, Barca and Real Madrid going at it in an elimination game for Madrid right now.

[fubu05]

It isn't? What's missing? I had what i think is the 2nd half of a 64 game saved on my youtube, was going to post that but found this one on the related videos and there where like 5 parts to it.
Thought it was the full game, damn, haven't seen it, i'm going to watch after i'm done watching Euroleague, Barca and Real Madrid going at it in an elimination game for Madrid right now.

El Classico :eek: :banana: :banana:

[ZenMaster]

This should be about right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76O2eEgNXUQ&feature=related -- Part 1

1970 finals game 7

What you want to do is subscribe to this guys channel http://www.youtube.com/user/WiltatKansas

He's got so much great stuff in there.

Edit: That was the only full game of with Wilt i could find though. The others are only half or extended high lights.

You need full games to track his blocking stats right?

He's got the full 63 finals game 6 in there too, not Wilt but amazing quality for such an old game it's worth checking out
http://www.youtube.com/user/WiltatKansas#p/u/157/lVxmsKFRLCs

[alexandreben]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNzHgG94XM&feature=related

Part 1, you know what to do from there.
thank you, this is the second half which i've watched long ago... although i count that Wilt has at least 5 or 6 blocks, therefore i would assume that Wilt should have a dozen shot blocks in that game.

[alexandreben]

How can posters here even say this guy is the top 5 players when none saw one of his full game..
The resources are extremely limited...

I really hope some posters can share some full game of Wilt Chamberlain thank you soooooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alexandreben]

This should be about right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76O2eEgNXUQ&feature=related -- Part 1

1970 finals game 7

What you want to do is subscribe to this guys channel http://www.youtube.com/user/WiltatKansas

He's got so much great stuff in there.

Edit: That was the only full game of with Wilt i could find though. The others are only half or extended high lights.

You need full games to track his blocking stats right?

He's got the full 63 finals game 6 in there too, not Wilt but amazing quality for such an old game it's worth checking out
http://www.youtube.com/user/WiltatKansas#p/u/157/lVxmsKFRLCs
only one full game... appreciate it your sharing , but i m afraid this is just not good enough...

[fubu05]

Wow, it looked like he could pretty much score any time he wanted to. He moved incredibly well for a center. What was more fascinating was that in an interview he said if he wanted to he could go in and pound it every time and "dunk" it home, but he didn't want to. He wanted to show the world that he could play from 10 feet, 12 feet, he put in the hook shot, the roll. wow. Incredible, thank you very much for this.

[ZenMaster]

only one full game... appreciate it your sharing , but i m afraid this is just not good enough...

Hard as hell to find full games from that era.:(

If you find more anywhere please do share.

[Psileas]

Wiltatkansas has also posted almost the whole 5th game of the 72 Finals, as well as the 1972, 1973 and 1969 ASG's. Wilt had 9 blocks in the Finals game and I think recorded 1, 1 and 5 blocks in these 3 ASG's.

But yes, the number of Wilt's available games is criminally low. Even more ironic is the fact that some of the games included (like the 7th Finals game of 1970) are either the ones that mostly hurt his legacy or, at best, are indifferent. Hell, the only available regular season game of the 1972 Lakers (when, as we all know, they went 69-13 and won 33 in a row) is a game they LOSE. The only widely available part of a game of the '67 Sixers, who went 68-13 and won the title, is again a game they lose...It's almost as if these games are posted deliberately.

[PK3434]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNzHgG94XM&feature=related

Part 1, you know what to do from there.

Wilt posterizes Russel at 9:12. too bad strowshow4 was not alive yet in 67

[Abraham Lincoln]

Wiltatkansas has also posted almost the whole 5th game of the 72 Finals, as well as the 1972, 1973 and 1969 ASG's. Wilt had 9 blocks in the Finals game and I think recorded 1, 1 and 5 blocks in these 3 ASG's.

But yes, the number of Wilt's available games is criminally low. Even more ironic is the fact that some of the games included (like the 7th Finals game of 1970) are either the ones that mostly hurt his legacy or, at best, are indifferent. Hell, the only available regular season game of the 1972 Lakers (when, as we all know, they went 69-13 and won 33 in a row) is a game they LOSE. The only widely available part of a game of the '67 Sixers, who went 68-13 and won the title, is again a game they lose...It's almost as if these games are posted deliberately.

Indeed it would be nice for such games as the '67 East Div. Finals game 5 to be released, preferably in color.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCaMsm9AOag

[ZenMaster]

Wiltatkansas has also posted almost the whole 5th game of the 72 Finals, as well as the 1972, 1973 and 1969 ASG's. Wilt had 9 blocks in the Finals game and I think recorded 1, 1 and 5 blocks in these 3 ASG's.

But yes, the number of Wilt's available games is criminally low. Even more ironic is the fact that some of the games included (like the 7th Finals game of 1970) are either the ones that mostly hurt his legacy or, at best, are indifferent. Hell, the only available regular season game of the 1972 Lakers (when, as we all know, they went 69-13 and won 33 in a row) is a game they LOSE. The only widely available part of a game of the '67 Sixers, who went 68-13 and won the title, is again a game they lose...It's almost as if these games are posted deliberately.

There has to be some database available somewhere though where it's all just sitting waiting to be watched. It would be so nice if you could see some of his good games in their entire length!:rolleyes:

[alexandreben]

Wiltatkansas has also posted almost the whole 5th game of the 72 Finals, as well as the 1972, 1973 and 1969 ASG's. Wilt had 9 blocks in the Finals game and I think recorded 1, 1 and 5 blocks in these 3 ASG's.

But yes, the number of Wilt's available games is criminally low. Even more ironic is the fact that some of the games included (like the 7th Finals game of 1970) are either the ones that mostly hurt his legacy or, at best, are indifferent. Hell, the only available regular season game of the 1972 Lakers (when, as we all know, they went 69-13 and won 33 in a row) is a game they LOSE. The only widely available part of a game of the '67 Sixers, who went 68-13 and won the title, is again a game they lose...It's almost as if these games are posted deliberately.
I didn't see there's 72 finals on Wiltatkansas' site...

yes, all the game (second half or full) that were posted on net were all those Wilt lost the game or not in good shape... how did that happen? celtcis fans posted those game? or is that Wilt's jersey number (13) cursed his legacy?

[Abraham Lincoln]

The powerful defense of Chamberlain & Jackson under the boards to start the 4th quarter. :applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlq0fVh2ao

[chitownsfinest]

Would die to see some full games featuring KAJ/Wilt, KAJ/Thurmond, or Wilt/Thurmond.

[ILLsmak]

lol "Plz show me a full video of Wilt" "One video, that's not good enough."

-Smak

[alexandreben]

The powerful defense of Chamberlain & Jackson under the boards to start the 4th quarter. :applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlq0fVh2ao
unfortunately, the powerful defense of Celtics also starts in the fourth quarter...

i noticed that in the old game, Celtics used strategic foul, they foul Wilt or other guard once they came to the front court, and the wierd thing is there's only one foul shooting, e.g. Wilt got a deffensive rebound, and Celtics immediately fouled him... then Wilt went to the foul line with a 1-0 foul shooting performance... it's just like give the ball to Celtics without a offensive play...

even under the "hack a shaq", Shaq will get two foul shooting, how come Wilt got only one? different rule back in old days?

[ShaqAttack3234]

I've only seen 3 full Wilt games, all were from his Laker days.

1970 NBA Finals Game 7
1972 Lakers vs Bucks(Bucks snap the 33 game streak)
1972 NBA Finals game 5

[alexandreben]

lol "Plz show me a full video of Wilt" "One video, that's not good enough."

-Smak
i didn't mean that way... that's just.. there're plenty of full game vid

[alexandreben]

I've only seen 3 full Wilt games, all were from his Laker days.

1970 NBA Finals Game 7
1972 Lakers vs Bucks(Bucks snap the 33 game streak)
1972 NBA Finals game 5
can you share the linkage of the "1972 NBA Finals game 5" pls? thx

[Psileas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjSGQb9oP-E

[magnax1]

Does anybody have any Kareem vs. Wilt games?

[alexandreben]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjSGQb9oP-E
thank pretty much!

btw, what happened to Wilt's both hands n wrists in this game??

[KG5MVP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNzHgG94XM&feature=related

Part 1, you know what to do from there.

wow the game was so slow back then

[jlauber]

There is the full game five of the 72 Finals out there, but I prefer the Wilt highlights of that game...almost every big play he made in that game. Incidently, Wilt grabbed 29 rebounds in that game (with two badly injured wrists)...while the ENTIRE Knick team (that included two of the greatest rebounders in NBA history,...Lucas and DeBusschere)...only had 39 COMBINED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyFm2wlsFA&feature=related

He had sprained one of his wrists in a Chicago series early in the playoffs, and then in game four, an OT game in New York, he FRACTURED his other wrist. There was speculation that he would not be able to play in that fifth game. HOWEVER, unlike Reed in his game seven, Wilt DOMINATED the game. 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 10 blocks.

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1972.htm

Abe Lincoln brought up game five of the ECF's against Boston and Russell. Boston raced to an early 17 point lead in the first period of that game. However, Wilt poured in 22 points in the first half, and brought his Sixers back to within one at the half. His teammates took over in the second half, and late in the 4th quarter, the 76ers led 131-104, en route to a 140-116 win. But, from late in the first period, to late in the 4th period, the Sixers had outscored a great Boston team by an incredible 44 points.

Wilt outscored Russell in that game, 29-4; outshot him 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted him, 13-7; and outrebounded him, 36-21. Truly, one of the most dominant performances in NBA history.


Incidently I personally watched EVERY Laker-Buck playoff game in 1972. It was a matchup for the ages. And for all of the MANY accomplishments in Wilt's career,... IMHO, the last ten minutes of that clinching game six win, were his most memorable. He absolutely overwhelmed Kareem and the Bucks in those ten minutes. Even Jerry West called it the greatest ball-busting performance he ever witnessed.

[Fatal9]

1964 - Warriors vs. Celtics... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZMw_B8srw

a rookie Nate Thurmond is in this matchup as well. Wilt's footwork seems awkward in the post (actually resulting in a couple of traveling violations), though his touch is pretty nice. Russell can't really defend him one on one imo, and I really believe based on this and other videos the only reason Wilt averaged slightly less pts on the Celtics is because he was fronted/double/tripled a lot. That might also be the reason he has huge rebounding games against them (only way to get ball in good position being offensive rebounds). You can also see the HUGE edge in talent Russell's teams had, especially when looking at the perimeter players.

[Fatal9]

jesus...just rewatched that video again and Wilt's teammates were laugh out loud bad. can barely bring the ball up court or catch a pass. how some of those Celtic/Warrior went 6 or 7 games is a mystery to me, Wilt must have been a beast to put them in that position.

[jlauber]

Some interesting highlights between Kareem and Wilt...from 70-71 and 71-72. Kareem has that artistic "sky-hook" but Wilt makes some spectacular moves, despite aged knees and being well past his prime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfgJm1c17dQ&feature=related

[julizaver]

There is the full game five of the 72 Finals out there, but I prefer the Wilt highlights of that game...almost every big play he made in that game. Incidently, Wilt grabbed 29 rebounds in that game (with two badly injured wrists)...while the ENTIRE Knick team (that included two of the greatest rebounders in NBA history,...Lucas and DeBusschere)...only had 39 COMBINED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyFm2wlsFA&feature=related

He had sprained one of his wrists in a Chicago series early in the playoffs, and then in game four, an OT game in New York, he FRACTURED his other wrist. There was speculation that he would not be able to play in that fifth game. HOWEVER, unlike Reed in his game seven, Wilt DOMINATED the game. 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 10 blocks.

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1972.htm

Abe Lincoln brought up game five of the ECF's against Boston and Russell. Boston raced to an early 17 point lead in the first period of that game. However, Wilt poured in 22 points in the first half, and brought his Sixers back to within one at the half. His teammates took over in the second half, and late in the 4th quarter, the 76ers led 131-104, en route to a 140-116 win. But, from late in the first period, to late in the 4th period, the Sixers had outscored a great Boston team by an incredible 44 points.

Wilt outscored Russell in that game, 29-4; outshot him 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted him, 13-7; and outrebounded him, 36-21. Truly, one of the most dominant performances in NBA history.


Incidently I personally watched EVERY Laker-Buck playoff game in 1972. It was a matchup for the ages. And for all of the MANY accomplishments in Wilt's career,... IMHO, the last ten minutes of that clinching game six win, were his most memorable. He absolutely overwhelmed Kareem and the Bucks in those ten minutes. Even Jerry West called it the greatest ball-busting performance he ever witnessed.

And Wilt add also 7 blocked shots in that last game of 67' ECF :) against Celtics.
I have some question - are you sure that Wilt blocked 20 shots in two consecutive games in 1972 WCF against Kareem, and these are the game 5 and game 6. I also read it somewhere, but it was not reliable source.

[Abraham Lincoln]

even under the "hack a shaq", Shaq will get two foul shooting, how come Wilt got only one? different rule back in old days? Yes the rule was different at the time, though I am not sure what it specifically was. He did try to sneak over the line too early (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlq0fVh2ao#t=7m16s) on the foul shot attempt.


Wilt's footwork seems awkward in the post (actually resulting in a couple of traveling violations), though his touch is pretty nice.
One traveling violation that was clearly an incorrect call.

[alexandreben]

And Wilt add also 7 blocked shots in that last game of 67' ECF :) against Celtics.
I have some question - are you sure that Wilt blocked 20 shots in two consecutive games in 1972 WCF against Kareem, and these are the game 5 and game 6. I also read it somewhere, but it was not reliable source.
there's no full game vid

[jlauber]

And Wilt add also 7 blocked shots in that last game of 67' ECF :) against Celtics.
I have some question - are you sure that Wilt blocked 20 shots in two consecutive games in 1972 WCF against Kareem, and these are the game 5 and game 6. I also read it somewhere, but it was not reliable source.

I didn't say that Wilt blocked 20 of Kareem's shots in those two games. He blocked 20 Milwaukee shots in those two games...and 11 of them were Kareem's. I believe Robert Cherry had those numbers in his book on Wilt, and without taking the time to look it up, I believe Charley Rosen may have as well in his book on the '72 Lakers.

In any case...

http://www.amazon.com/Wilt-Larger-Robert-Allen-Cherry/dp/1572436727

"Chamberlain almost always outscored and out rebounded Russell in every encounter. Russell no doubt almost always had the better teams. Abdul Jabbar played 20 seasons to Wilts 13, and yet Chamberlain has several thousand more lifetime rebounds. In the twilight of his career, a 35 year old Wilt led the Lakers to victory over the Bucks and a 25 year old Jabbar during the 1972 playoffs. Even more astounding, was wilt blocked 20 shots in two consecutive games in that series, and 11 of those blocked shots were on Kareem. Who the heck ever did that to Jabbar. Makes you wonder what Wilt would have done in his prime. As great as Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson were, none of them had the impact or dominance of Wilt Chamberlain. The rules of the game were altered upon Wilts arrival into the league. Modern day fans talk of Shaq being the greatest center of all-time. Does anyone out there think Shaq could have blocked 11 Kareem shots in two games? Shaq wouldn't have been able to leap high enough to block a skyhook. That statistic alone, should be enough to convince anyone of Wilts athleticism."

[jlauber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tt13a6b_uA&feature=related

Take a look at about the 2 minute mark of this video...and keep in mind, that Wilt was a year removed from major knee surgery at the time. Also at about the 5:45 mark of that video, another incredible block.

[L.Kizzle]

I saw a few Wilt games on NBA TV and ESPN Classics when they used to show older games. Now they there Hardwood Classics are from earlier in the decade.

I seen the game when Hondo steals the ball and some other ones.

[jlauber]

I saw a few Wilt games on NBA TV and ESPN Classics when they used to show older games. Now they there Hardwood Classics are from earlier in the decade.

I seen the game when Hondo steals the ball and some other ones.

I suspect that one of these days the 71-72 WCF's will be released...ALL of which were televised (and I watched every one of them live BTW.)

[L.Kizzle]

I suspect that one of these days the 71-72 WCF's will be released...ALL of which were televised (and I watched every one of them live BTW.)
And why didn't you record these, you knew 40 years from now we'd be lookin' for them. :D

[jlauber]

And why didn't you record these, you knew 40 years from now we'd be lookin' for them. :D

Believe it, or not, I did audio tape record the fifth game of the 71-72 Finals. However, after that game was released to video, I no longer needed it. I still have it somewhere, though.

[L.Kizzle]

Believe it, or not, I did audio tape record the fifth game of the 71-72 Finals. However, after that game was released to video, I no longer needed it. I still have it somewhere, though.
That's cool, my pops has a couple ,of games records, but from the 80s. Rockets/Celtics in 86, Bulls Pistons in 88.

[julizaver]

I didn't say that Wilt blocked 20 of Kareem's shots in those two games. He blocked 20 Milwaukee shots in those two games...and 11 of them were Kareem's. I believe Robert Cherry had those numbers in his book on Wilt, and without taking the time to look it up, I believe Charley Rosen may have as well in his book on the '72 Lakers.

In any case...

http://www.amazon.com/Wilt-Larger-Robert-Allen-Cherry/dp/1572436727

"Chamberlain almost always outscored and out rebounded Russell in every encounter. Russell no doubt almost always had the better teams. Abdul Jabbar played 20 seasons to Wilts 13, and yet Chamberlain has several thousand more lifetime rebounds. In the twilight of his career, a 35 year old Wilt led the Lakers to victory over the Bucks and a 25 year old Jabbar during the 1972 playoffs. Even more astounding, was wilt blocked 20 shots in two consecutive games in that series, and 11 of those blocked shots were on Kareem. Who the heck ever did that to Jabbar. Makes you wonder what Wilt would have done in his prime. As great as Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson were, none of them had the impact or dominance of Wilt Chamberlain. The rules of the game were altered upon Wilts arrival into the league. Modern day fans talk of Shaq being the greatest center of all-time. Does anyone out there think Shaq could have blocked 11 Kareem shots in two games? Shaq wouldn't have been able to leap high enough to block a skyhook. That statistic alone, should be enough to convince anyone of Wilts athleticism."

Thanks and excuse me ( i was meaning 20 against the BUCKS), I was knowing about that sourse, but since I don't have the books I ask the question. The reason I ask is that I know that Wilt has 9 blocks in game 6, it means that in game 5 he shall have 11 (by the logic), I find a record saying that Wilt has 4 blocks against Kareem in game 5. In that case it will meaning that in game 5 Wilt will have 11 blocks (4 against Kareem) and in game 6 - 9 blocks (7 against Kareem) and this is awsome if true.
As I have the data from Game 3 and Game 4 the shot-blocking stats of Wilt will looks as follows:
10 blocks (Game 3 - 6 against Jabbar),
3 blocks in Game 4,
11 blocks in Game 5(4 against Kareem),
9 blocks in Game 6 ( 7 against Jabbar)

In summary 33 blocks in that last 4 games (and at least 17 against Jabbar) for an average of 8.25 bpg.

[Abraham Lincoln]

English version of the '67 game. Commentators Chuck Howard & Chet Forte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJjBDUhbBcs

[alexandreben]

Thanks and excuse me ( i was meaning 20 against the BUCKS), I was knowing about that sourse, but since I don't have the books I ask the question. The reason I ask is that I know that Wilt has 9 blocks in game 6, it means that in game 5 he shall have 11 (by the logic), I find a record saying that Wilt has 4 blocks against Kareem in game 5. In that case it will meaning that in game 5 Wilt will have 11 blocks (4 against Kareem) and in game 6 - 9 blocks (7 against Kareem) and this is awsome if true.
As I have the data from Game 3 and Game 4 the shot-blocking stats of Wilt will looks as follows:
10 blocks (Game 3 - 6 against Jabbar),
3 blocks in Game 4,
11 blocks in Game 5(4 against Kareem),
9 blocks in Game 6 ( 7 against Jabbar)

In summary 33 blocks in that last 4 games (and at least 17 against Jabbar) for an average of 8.25 bpg.
OMG!!!!!! that's just unbelievable!!!!!!!!! do you keep full game vid

[jlauber]

Thanks and excuse me ( i was meaning 20 against the BUCKS), I was knowing about that sourse, but since I don't have the books I ask the question. The reason I ask is that I know that Wilt has 9 blocks in game 6, it means that in game 5 he shall have 11 (by the logic), I find a record saying that Wilt has 4 blocks against Kareem in game 5. In that case it will meaning that in game 5 Wilt will have 11 blocks (4 against Kareem) and in game 6 - 9 blocks (7 against Kareem) and this is awsome if true.
As I have the data from Game 3 and Game 4 the shot-blocking stats of Wilt will looks as follows:
10 blocks (Game 3 - 6 against Jabbar),
3 blocks in Game 4,
11 blocks in Game 5(4 against Kareem),
9 blocks in Game 6 ( 7 against Jabbar)

In summary 33 blocks in that last 4 games (and at least 17 against Jabbar) for an average of 8.25 bpg.

I read somewhere...perhaps Cherry's book, or Rosen's, that Wilt blocked 15 "sky-hooks" alone in that series.

[jlauber]

English version of the '67 game. Commentators Chuck Howard & Chet Forte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJjBDUhbBcs

Of course, it was his worst game of that series, (and Philly's only loss.) Too bad we don't have footage of game five. That was perhaps Wilt's finest moment.

[alexandreben]

English version of the '67 game. Commentators Chuck Howard & Chet Forte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJjBDUhbBcs

this is indeed better than the espanol version, thank you very much!!

any idea where can we find the first half of the game?

btw, i personally count some numbers, quite unbelivable:

in the entire second half of the 67 EDF G4, Phila had 49 shooting totally, and Wilt only had 7 shooting opportunities, Wilt touched the ball 19 times, and passed out the ball 12 times.

the most dominating center ever, the best scoring player ever, the one who averaged 50 pts and got 100 pts in a game, only had 7 shooting in the entire second half of the easten conference final game!!! i find it extremely unbelivable...

[alexandreben]

Of course, it was his worst game of that series, (and Philly's only loss.) Too bad we don't have footage of game five. That was perhaps Wilt's finest moment.
how about Wilt's game five performance? can you post any stats please?

[Abraham Lincoln]

any idea where can we find the first half of the game?

NBA hasn't released it.

[magnax1]

So there aren't any vids of Kareem vs. Wilt?

[alexandreben]

So there aren't any vids of Kareem vs. Wilt?
full game footage? i guess not... i have been looking for it for ages...

[Swaggin916]

Wilt = longest legs ever

[julizaver]

As I used to chat sometimes with WiltatKansas (the guy who posted the most videos of Wilt in youtube), he explained me that back in the sixties the televisiones broadcasted only the second halfs of NBA games, and they did not record them, because they find it too expensive - so they only broadcasted them without recording.
Contrary to that the KU recorded a lot of their basketball games, and as I post in another thread they even track the blocked shots of Wilt during his two years in college (in fact they were 3 - but back then the freshman were forbidden to play "officially in NCAA).
However I read somewhere about that guy Simmons from ESPN that NBA send to him DVD with one of Wilt's 70 points game from 1961-62 season. Very sad if they keep such footage and don't show it.

[jlauber]

how about Wilt's game five performance? can you post any stats please?

I personally consider Wilt's game five, in the 66-67 ECF's, as his greatest game ever (I know...you can find hundreds with better stats.) In that game, he poured in 22 points in the first half, to keep his Sixers in the game. His teammates took over the game in the second half, and ran away with the game.

Russell went 2-5 in that game, for 4 points, with 21 rebounds, and 7 assists. Chamberlain finished 10-16 from the field, with 29 points, 36 rebounds, and 13 assists.

[alexandreben]

Anyone else has any full game vid

[dough]

How can posters here even say this guy is the top 5 players when none saw one of his full game..
i bet there are members who saw him in action.

Also, how can people believe in Jesus/Mohammed when they never saw him in action?

[Manute for Ever!]

Wilt = longest legs ever

I think my man may have him beat.

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[alexandreben]

I think my man may have him beat.


who is he?

[Manute for Ever!]

who is he?

Manute Bol.

[alexandreben]

Manute Bol.
You are saying that this Manute Bol can beat Wilt Chamberlain, aren't you?

Manute Bol
Position: Center
Height: 7-6 Weight: 200 lbs.
Born: October 16, 1962 in Gogrial, Sudan
High School: Case Western Reserve English Language in Cleveland, Ohio
College: University of Bridgeport

Drafted by the Washington Bullets in the 2nd round (7th pick, 31st overall) of the 1985 NBA draft.

Career Statistics:
PPG 2.6
RPG 4.2
APG 0.3
BPG 3.3

[Manute for Ever!]

You are saying that this Manute Bol can beat Wilt Chamberlain, aren't you?

Manute Bol
Position: Center
Height: 7-6 Weight: 200 lbs.
Born: October 16, 1962 in Gogrial, Sudan
High School: Case Western Reserve English Language in Cleveland, Ohio
College: University of Bridgeport

Drafted by the Washington Bullets in the 2nd round (7th pick, 31st overall) of the 1985 NBA draft.

Career Statistics:
PPG 2.6
RPG 4.2
APG 0.3
BPG 3.3

No, I'm saying he has longer legs.

http://static.flickr.com/39/82593176_bd9aaf1cd0.jpg

http://lowposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bol_card.jpg

[julizaver]

No, I'm saying he has longer legs.


http://meupedeabobrinha.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/85-manute-bol-block-spud-webb1.jpg

In reality Spud Webb dunked over Manute Bol in a NBA game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdPplzbmd0

[Manute for Ever!]

http://meupedeabobrinha.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/85-manute-bol-block-spud-webb1.jpg

In reality Spud Webb dunked over Manute Bol in a NBA game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdPplzbmd0

I know, that was a decent effort. Used to love Spudd back in the day, too. :applause:

[Psileas]

Sorry, the guy in the video looks different, much shorter for one. Can't be Bol.

Cool pic, though. Bol is the only NBA player that I'm sure he could touch the rim without even standing on his tiptoes, although Muresan, Bradley, Nevitt and Eaton may have some case. Not Yao, as far as I know.

[Manute for Ever!]

Sorry, the guy in the video looks different, much shorter for one. Can't be Bol.

Cool pic, though. Bol is the only NBA player that I'm sure he could touch the rim without even standing on his tiptoes, although Muresan, Bradley, Nevitt and Eaton may have some case. Not Yao, as far as I know.

Apparently Bol's standing reach was 5" above the rim.

[BarberSchool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNzHgG94XM&feature=related

Part 1, you know what to do from there.Wow, after watching that, I'm sure I could whoop Chamberlain in a fight.
Dude was just a stiff pair of toothpick legs with a head and arms.
Easiest double leg ever.

[jlauber]

Wow, after watching that, I'm sure I could whoop Chamberlain in a fight.
Dude was just a stiff pair of toothpick legs with a head and arms.
Easiest double leg ever.

I'm sure you could have too. I'm sure you are around 7-0, 300 lbs, with a 400+ bench press. What chance would he have?

[warriorfan]

Wow, after watching that, I'm sure I could whoop Chamberlain in a fight.
Dude was just a stiff pair of toothpick legs with a head and arms.
Easiest double leg ever.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[jlauber]

Bol played in the era of the late 80's and early 90's...which had the most 7-0+ players in NBA history...and in that era, 6-3 Fat Lever outrebounded almost all of them, while 6-8 Dennis Rodman routinely led the NBA in rebounding.

Wilt is unfairly criticized for dominating in an era of supposed 6-6 white centers (of which there were NONE). Instead he battled 6-10 Russell, 6-11 Thurmond, 6-11 Bellamy, 6-9 Hayes, 6-9 Reed, 7-2 Kareem, and even 7-2 Gilmore...all of whom COULD rebound. One can only imagine what he would have done had he faced the Longley's, Breuer's, Bol's, Muresan's, Eaton's, Ostertag's, and Smits' of 80's and 90's.

[jlauber]

Wow, after watching that, I'm sure I could whoop Chamberlain in a fight.
Dude was just a stiff pair of toothpick legs with a head and arms.
Easiest double leg ever.

http://volleyball.org/people/wilt_chamberlain.html

"From Pat Powers, 1984 Olympic Volleyball Gold Medalist, 10/14/99 -
A lot has been written about Wilt the last several days here in So Cal. He is receiving more attention now than he has for the last fifteen years--he would have preferred it this way, Wilt was never one for the spotlight off the court.

Here are two stories that I just attached names to yesterday:

One day big Wilty (a notorious card cheater) was playing a game off VB down at Muscle Beach in Santa Monica. To say Wilty was competitve in all sports would be a minor understatement. An argument broke out over the correct score and Wilty was not giving ground to anybody on the court. One of the players, Amon Lucky, made the mistake of stepping under the net to further the point, when Wilty picked him up and threw him over the net!!! Now understand the "Amer" weighs something on the order of 225lbs, so the rumor is Wilty "taped"him on the throw over. needless to say Wilty won the argument, and if memory serves me correct, the game.

Wilty was one of the strongest guys I have ever seen. I once was sitting on the steel fence at Rosecrans taking in the Rosecrans open with Wilt and several cohorts back in the late 70's. A player from Muscle Beach was standing beneath us and told us he was going to walk around so he could come join us up on the rail. Wilty told him there was "no no reason to walk," and reached down and picked him up by one arm and hoisted him over the bar. Mike weighed ~240lbs!!!

I have been around some athletes in my day. But nobody and I mean nobody was stronger than Wilty. He was a man's man!!! "

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1075691/2/index.htm

"The St. Louis Hawks' 6-foot-9, 240-pound Zelmo Beaty, for example, found out recently that he can no longer take Chamberlain's great strength for granted. Unable to slow Wilt down with conventional maltreatment, Beaty tried to yank his shorts off. Chamberlain, who can press 400 pounds without breathing hard, makes it a point to control his temper, primarily because he is genuinely afraid he might kill somebody. Beaty's unethical yank, however, was too much. Wilt flicked an arm, and Beaty flew across the floor like a man shot out of a cannon. Referee Mendy Rudolph rushed over to him and said: "For God's sake, stay down, man. Don't even twitch a muscle." Beaty didn't twitch, and he is still active in the NBA."

http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_bio.html

"No other player in NBA history has spawned so many myths nor created such an impact. It's difficult to imagine now, with the seemingly continuing surge of bigger skilled players, the effect of playing against Chamberlain, who was not only taller and stronger than almost anyone he matched up against but remarkably coordinated as well. A track and field star in high school and college, Chamberlain stood 7-1 and was listed at 275 pounds, though he filled out and added more muscle as his career progressed and eventually played at over 300 pounds.

An incident recounted in the Philadelphia Daily News involving Tom Meschery of the Seattle SuperSonics illustrated what it was like to play in the trenches against Chamberlain. Meschery had the ball in the line and put up four fakes before attempting his shot. Chamberlain slapped the ball down. Meschery got it again, faked again, and got it blocked again. Enraged and frustrated, the Seattle player ran up to Chamberlain swinging. As if in a scene from The Three Stooges, Chamberlain put his hand on the 6-6 Meschery's head and let him swing away harmlessly. After the third swing, Chamberlain said, "That's enough," and Meschery stopped.

Chamberlain's power was legendary. Rod Thorn, who has been a player, coach, GM and NBA executive, remembers a fight in which Chamberlain reached down and picked up a fellow player from a pile of bodies as if he were made of feathers. The man was 6-8 and weighed 220 pounds.

Chamberlain was one of the few players of his day who had the sheer strength to block a dunk. In a game against New York in 1968, Walt Bellamy, the Knicks' 6-11, 245-pound center, attempted to dunk on Chamberlain. "Bellamy reared back," one spectator who was there later recalled to the Philadelphia Daily News, "and was slamming the ball down when Wilt put his hand above the top of the rim and knocked the ball off the court. He almost knocked Bellamy off the court, too."

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/stop-understimating-ufc-fighters-strength-because-body-shape-745999/index6.html

"I appreciate your comments. Remember, however, that long limbs do not mean you can't bench press excellent poundages. Wilt Chamberlain, the 7' 2" skinny elite basketball player had very poor mechanical advantages for the bench press. His chest was flat, and his arms were skinny and really long! Nonetheless, he was able to bench press 500 lbs! Nobody would believe this by looking at him. His bench press figures have been verified and are widely known. You can find documentation of it on the web. He just happened to have freakishly dense muscles, and excellent genetics when it came to all the other factors that result in brute strength.

Shaq O' Neil, however, can "only" bench press 450 lbs even though he has much thicker arms, more overall mass, shorter arms and a thicker chest. Shaq has to compensate for not being as gifted as Wilt in some areas."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

"Several years after Wilt stopped playing, he toyed with the idea of a comeback. On the day he visited the Knicks' offices in Madison Square Garden, he talked to Red Holzman, then strode out to the elevator. When it opened, two deliverymen were struggling with a dolly piled high with boxes of office supplies, mostly letterheads and envelopes. The load was so heavy, the elevator had stopped maybe four inches below the floor level and now the deliverymen were huffing and puffing, but they couldn't raise the dolly high enough to get it on the floor level. After maybe two minutes of the deliverymen's huffing and puffing, Wilt, his biceps bulging in a tank top, peered down at them and intoned, "Gentlemen, maybe I can help." They stepped back, he stepped into the elevator, grabbed each end of the rope slung under the dolly and without much exertion, quickly lifted the dolly onto the floor level. Looking up in awe, the deliverymen said, "Thank you." Wilt said, "You're welcome." Wilt stepped into the elevator and rode down to the street level as another witness followed the two deliverymen toward the Knick offices and asked, "How much does all this weigh?" They quickly surveyed the stack of big boxes of office supplies. "Close to 600 pounds," one said. [Source: The Good Natured Giant Wasn't Belligerent, Sports of the Times; Oct 13, 1999; Dave Anderson]"

[alexandreben]

Bol played in the era of the late 80's and early 90's...which had the most 7-0+ players in NBA history...and in that era, 6-3 Fat Lever outrebounded almost all of them, while 6-8 Dennis Rodman routinely led the NBA in rebounding.

Wilt is unfairly criticized for dominating in an era of supposed 6-6 white centers (of which there were NONE). Instead he battled 6-10 Russell, 6-11 Thurmond, 6-11 Bellamy, 6-9 Hayes, 6-9 Reed, 7-2 Kareem, and even 7-2 Gilmore...all of whom COULD rebound. One can only imagine what he would have done had he faced the Longley's, Breuer's, Bol's, Muresan's, Eaton's, Ostertag's, and Smits' of 80's and 90's.
Actually he didn't fight a formal game with Gilmore, I remember it's all star game that they matchup...

I always see those kinda comments in all different forums... Wilt fought with small weak centers, the game was not in a intense strength fight like today etc.. among all of those, I hate the comment that a lot of young fans said Wilt will be smashed if he match up with Shaq(giving the size and the power and shattered the basket etc. that Shaq could bring on the table..), Wilt didn't receive the respect that he should've, not enough footage (only one full game vid

[Manute for Ever!]

Bol played in the era of the late 80's and early 90's...which had the most 7-0+ players in NBA history...and in that era, 6-3 Fat Lever outrebounded almost all of them, while 6-8 Dennis Rodman routinely led the NBA in rebounding.

Wilt is unfairly criticized for dominating in an era of supposed 6-6 white centers (of which there were NONE). Instead he battled 6-10 Russell, 6-11 Thurmond, 6-11 Bellamy, 6-9 Hayes, 6-9 Reed, 7-2 Kareem, and even 7-2 Gilmore...all of whom COULD rebound. One can only imagine what he would have done had he faced the Longley's, Breuer's, Bol's, Muresan's, Eaton's, Ostertag's, and Smits' of 80's and 90's.

Again, to clarify, I was only comparing the two in leg length, not playing ability :banghead:
Of course I am smart enough to realise that Wilt would destroy Bol, anyone could. I am not one of these delusional fanboys who can't accept that the object of their affection isn't unanimously considered the GOAT.
I was merely replying to a post that said, and I am paraphrasing, "Wilt had the longest legs".

[julizaver]

Again, to clarify, I was only comparing the two in leg length, not playing ability :banghead:
Of course I am smart enough to realise that Wilt would destroy Bol, anyone could. I am not one of these delusional fanboys who can't accept that the object of their affection isn't unanimously considered the GOAT.
I was merely replying to a post that said, and I am paraphrasing, "Wilt had the longest legs".

Yes man, I appreciate your sense of humor :))).

For these who said that said that Wilt can not be dominant in today's era and played in an era of white 6 ft midgets I will post this photo of Wilt at the end of his career:
http://www.eba-stats.com/images/legends/chamberlain_jabbar.JPG

I will leave the comments to you :).

[jlauber]

Again, to clarify, I was only comparing the two in leg length, not playing ability :banghead:
Of course I am smart enough to realise that Wilt would destroy Bol, anyone could. I am not one of these delusional fanboys who can't accept that the object of their affection isn't unanimously considered the GOAT.
I was merely replying to a post that said, and I am paraphrasing, "Wilt had the longest legs".

I didn't mean to single Bol out. But, my main point is that so MANY basketball fans, most of whom did not see Wilt, nor his peers play, diminish Chamberlain's records because he faced "6-6 white centers." The FACT was, Wilt faced ONE 6-7 starting center in his career, and that was 6-7 245 lb. Wes Unseld, who was a QUALITY basketball player (and probably the greatest outlet passer in NBA history.) Unseld could score, AND rebound.

And Wilt faced several seven-footers in his career, as well, including 7-3 Swede Holbrook, who was no WORSE than the many 7-2+ statues that permeated the NBA in the 80's and 90's.

I get a kick out of those that make the comment that Wilt was so much taller, and that is why he could score 50 ppg and get 25 rpg. Yet, take a look at the best rebounders of the 80's and 90's. NONE of them were even seven feet tall (and Olajuwon was only around 6-10 BTW.) Even in the 00's 6-7 Ben Wallace was among the best rebounders, and only Motumbo was over 7-0.

Wilt DOMINATED because he was clearly the best ATHLETE, and most SKILLED center of his generation. Anyone that witnessed Chamberlain play, would attest to the fact that he would be near the very top, at the very least, of the centers that play today.

[alexandreben]

I didn't mean to single Bol out. But, my main point is that so MANY basketball fans, most of whom did not see Wilt, nor his peers play, diminish Chamberlain's records because he faced "6-6 white centers." The FACT was, Wilt faced ONE 6-7 starting center in his career, and that was 6-7 245 lb. Wes Unseld, who was a QUALITY basketball player (and probably the greatest outlet passer in NBA history.) Unseld could score, AND rebound.

And Wilt faced several seven-footers in his career, as well, including 7-3 Swede Holbrook, who was no WORSE than the many 7-2+ statues that permeated the NBA in the 80's and 90's.

I get a kick out of those that make the comment that Wilt was so much taller, and that is why he could score 50 ppg and get 25 rpg. Yet, take a look at the best rebounders of the 80's and 90's. NONE of them were even seven feet tall (and Olajuwon was only around 6-10 BTW.) Even in the 00's 6-7 Ben Wallace was among the best rebounders, and only Motumbo was over 7-0.

Wilt DOMINATED because he was clearly the best ATHLETE, and most SKILLED center of his generation. Anyone that witnessed Chamberlain play, would attest to the fact that he would be near the very top, at the very least, of the centers that play today.

How about Wilt vs Shaq ?

I would assume that Wilt can outplay Shaq in scoring, rebounding, shot blocking, passing, minutes playing...

the only thing that Shaq can "outplay" Wilt in foul troublings

a lot of people share a common opinion, which I totally disagree, that Shaq can entirely mascare Wilt with his dominating strength and dunking to the rim because Wilt was playing short and slim centers in his prime, when play with Shaq, he can break Wilt's hand and "slim" body...

[julizaver]

How about Wilt vs Shaq ?

I would assume that Wilt can outplay Shaq in scoring, rebounding, shot blocking, passing, minutes playing...

the only thing that Shaq can "outplay" Wilt in foul troublings

a lot of people share a common opinion, which I totally disagree, that Shaq can entirely mascare Wilt with his dominating strength and dunking to the rim because Wilt was playing short and slim centers in his prime, when play with Shaq, he can break Wilt's hand and "slim" body...

:), That's why I post this picture - Kareem was 1 inch taller than Wilt - and still nobody speak of Kareem's height - everyone is jumping on Wilt's height, why ? I did not even hear an argument that Kareem was taller than his opponents and that's why he dominate them ? And a lot of people argue about Wilt being stronger than his opponents - OK, but he did not received this strength for granted - he worked for it - it shall be a credit to him - to be a complete athlete.
As in a lot of threads it is mentioned that Wilt and Nate did a very good job of handling Jabbar - just for example, Walton at his NBA prime leading the Blazers to the 1977 tittle defeat Lakers 4:0 in WCF and:
"Abdul-Jabbar outshone Walton statistically—121-77 in points, 64-59 in rebounds, 15-9 in blocked shots as well as 61% to 50% shooting" , but a lot of people believed and (some newspapers also) that Walton outplayed Kareem :).
Against Wilt and Nate Kareem hardly shoot 45 % and was outrebonded by Wilt. And on youtube you can watch two of the games (including the last game 4) - and believe that Walton is guy to watch - his passing skills are awesome. (I watched that game yesterday)

the stats sourse is from: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1092432/1/index.htm

[jlauber]

How about Wilt vs Shaq ?

I would assume that Wilt can outplay Shaq in scoring, rebounding, shot blocking, passing, minutes playing...

the only thing that Shaq can "outplay" Wilt in foul troublings

a lot of people share a common opinion, which I totally disagree, that Shaq can entirely mascare Wilt with his dominating strength and dunking to the rim because Wilt was playing short and slim centers in his prime, when play with Shaq, he can break Wilt's hand and "slim" body...

IMHO, Wilt is the ONLY player in NBA history that could PHYSICALLY matchup with Shaq. In terms of skills, I don't think Shaq would have an edge in any area. If anything, I think Shaq would have brought out the best in Wilt. Why? Because Wilt had a "Goliath Complex", and seldom used his massive edge in strength against his peers. Take a look at the footage that exists, and in most cases, once Wilt feels contact, he then either goes up, or around his opponents. He almost never continues to overpower them. I have posted the footage, though, of a game in which Kareem infuriated Chamberlain, and he just knocks Kareem right out of the lane.

Obviously, though, Wilt would not completely neutralize Shaq, any more than he shut down Kareem. At their peaks, BOTH players would get their share of points.

I have long since believed that Chamberlain was the greatest rebounder in NBA history. Many would concur, based on statistics alone. The fact was, though, you can throw out the numbers. Wilt just plain outrebounded EVERYBODY. Having said that, however, Shaq, in his prime, and motivated was probably the best rebounder of his era. Rodman fans will dispute that, but in the playoffs, Shaq was generally outrebounding his opponents.

I know that this is a small sample, but it is an interesting comparison...

Game two of the 2000 Finals. In 46 minutes, Shaq grabbed 24 rebounds of his team's 66, and out of a total of 125 (Indiana had 59), which was 19.2% of the total for that game. In that series, Shaq played 273 minutes (45.5 mpg) and had 100 rebounds, . The two teams combined for 495 rebounds (including Shaq's 100.) So Shaq had 20.2% of ALL of the rebounds in that series.

In the clinching game five win of the 1972 Finals, and at age 35, in 47 minutes, Wilt snarred 29 rebounds (the ENTIRE Knick team had 39...on a team that had DeBusschere and Lucas...two of the greatest rebounders ever), out of a total of 106 rebounds. Wilt' percentage, in that one game, was a staggering 27.3%. For the series, Wilt played an incredible 246 minutes (49.2 mpg), and ripped down 116 rebounds, out of a combined total of 515, for 22.5% of ALL of the available rebounds.

Once again, that was just one example, and Wilt had other post-season series in which he averaged far more rebounds (he averaged 32 rpg against Russell in the 67 ECF's), but it does illustrate Shaq's ability as well. And, of course, some here will argue Shaq's competition in the 2000 Finals, but it must be mentioned that Shaq also outrebounded Motumbo in the 01 Finals, 79-61, or 16 to 12 per game.

I don't think there is any question that Chamberlain was a better shot-blocker, and at his best, he was probably a slightly better passer. Defensively, Wilt's all-around athleticism was probably unmatched in the history of the game...and at his best, he was right there with Russell. Shaq's defense was under-rated, particularly against quality post-up centers, but the fact that Wilt could dominate the '72 Knicks defensively, and still shut down Jerry Lucas, who was firing from 25 ft. away..was a testament to his exceptional defensive skills. And very few post-up centers gave Wilt any trouble, although Kareem poured in a ton of points against an aged Wilt in 1972 (albeit, on a very poor shooting percentage.)

In any case, IMHO, a prime Shaq-Wilt battle would have been the most watched individual matchup in basketball history.

[alexandreben]

IMHO, Wilt is the ONLY player in NBA history that could PHYSICALLY matchup with Shaq. In terms of skills, I don't think Shaq would have an edge in any area. If anything, I think Shaq would have brought out the best in Wilt. Why? Because Wilt had a "Goliath Complex", and seldom used his massive edge in strength against his peers. Take a look at the footage that exists, and in most cases, once Wilt feels contact, he then either goes up, or around his opponents. He almost never continues to overpower them. I have posted the footage, though, of a game in which Kareem infuriated Chamberlain, and he just knocks Kareem right out of the lane.

Obviously, though, Wilt would not completely neutralize Shaq, any more than he shut down Kareem. At their peaks, BOTH players would get their share of points.

I have long since believed that Chamberlain was the greatest rebounder in NBA history. Many would concur, based on statistics alone. The fact was, though, you can throw out the numbers. Wilt just plain outrebounded EVERYBODY. Having said that, however, Shaq, in his prime, and motivated was probably the best rebounder of his era. Rodman fans will dispute that, but in the playoffs, Shaq was generally outrebounding his opponents.

I know that this is a small sample, but it is an interesting comparison...

Game two of the 2000 Finals. In 46 minutes, Shaq grabbed 24 rebounds of his team's 66, and out of a total of 125 (Indiana had 59), which was 19.2% of the total for that game. In that series, Shaq played 273 minutes (45.5 mpg) and had 100 rebounds, . The two teams combined for 495 rebounds (including Shaq's 100.) So Shaq had 20.2% of ALL of the rebounds in that series.

In the clinching game five win of the 1972 Finals, and at age 35, in 47 minutes, Wilt snarred 29 rebounds (the ENTIRE Knick team had 39...on a team that had DeBusschere and Lucas...two of the greatest rebounders ever), out of a total of 106 rebounds. Wilt' percentage, in that one game, was a staggering 27.3%. For the series, Wilt played an incredible 246 minutes (49.2 mpg), and ripped down 116 rebounds, out of a combined total of 515, for 22.5% of ALL of the available rebounds.

Once again, that was just one example, and Wilt had other post-season series in which he averaged far more rebounds (he averaged 32 rpg against Russell in the 67 ECF's), but it does illustrate Shaq's ability as well. And, of course, some here will argue Shaq's competition in the 2000 Finals, but it must be mentioned that Shaq also outrebounded Motumbo in the 01 Finals, 79-61, or 16 to 12 per game.

I don't think there is any question that Chamberlain was a better shot-blocker, and at his best, he was probably a slightly better passer. Defensively, Wilt's all-around athleticism was probably unmatched in the history of the game...and at his best, he was right there with Russell. Shaq's defense was under-rated, particularly against quality post-up centers, but the fact that Wilt could dominate the '72 Knicks defensively, and still shut down Jerry Lucas, who was firing from 25 ft. away..was a testament to his exceptional defensive skills. And very few post-up centers gave Wilt any trouble, although Kareem poured in a ton of points against an aged Wilt in 1972 (albeit, on a very poor shooting percentage.)

In any case, IMHO, a prime Shaq-Wilt battle would have been the most watched individual matchup in basketball history.
" I have posted the footage, though, of a game in which Kareem infuriated Chamberlain, and he just knocks Kareem right out of the lane. " ------ can you share a link of your footage please?

I love your example of the comparison of Shaq and Wilt, even though it's not fair to Wilt, Shaq was 28 years old at his peak in 2000 while Wilt was 36 years old in 1972, but amazingly Wilt still can outplay Shaq in rebounding and minutes playing...

The "Goliath Complex" certainly influenced Wilt's field goal percentage, but the up side was to push Wilt to become a "complete" arround offensive player by developing various offensive skills, the hookshot, finger roll, fade away shot, pivot shot, etc.. certainly, this can save Wilt a lot of energy as well.

Besides "Goliath Complex", Wilt fell into some kind of entrapment.. he cares too much about the media's opinion, here's some facts I found out on net, quite interesting:
...I don't know of any athlete in the world who has had to prove himself so many times. Over and over again, fighting off the image. I'll give you an example:
"That Wilt. He just stands there and dunks the ball," says one writer.
So I work hard and perfect a jump shot.
"That Wilt. He shouldn't fade away from the basket when he's shooting the jumper," they say.
So I try some other shots. And I concentrate on defense.
"That Wilt," they say this time. "He just plays one end of the court."
So I dash around and hustle down to the other end of the court.
"He's hogging all the action."
So I try more team play, and I feed the ball off like mad.
"That Wilt," they say, fresh out of criticism. "He's a fink."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1077071/2/index.htm

Some may argue that the weight and strength could be the key points of the matchup between Shaq and Wilt, I wish I could agree with that Shaq could out-strength Wilt, but I have some concerns about the weight comparison: in Shaq's peak he's 350 lbs while Wilt's 275 lbs, with Shaq's attacking mode to the rim, he can bring a lot of trouble to Wilt (because of the weight difference), care to share your opinion?

Btw, what does "IMHO" stand for?

[jlauber]

" I have posted the footage, though, of a game in which Kareem infuriated Chamberlain, and he just knocks Kareem right out of the lane. " ------ can you share a link of your footage please?

I love your example of the comparison of Shaq and Wilt, even though it's not fair to Wilt, Shaq was 28 years old at his peak in 2000 while Wilt was 36 years old in 1972, but amazingly Wilt still can outplay Shaq in rebounding and minutes playing...

The "Goliath Complex" certainly influenced Wilt's field goal percentage, but the up side was to push Wilt to become a "complete" arround offensive player by developing various offensive skills, the hookshot, finger roll, fade away shot, pivot shot, etc.. certainly, this can save Wilt a lot of energy as well.

Besides "Goliath Complex", Wilt fell into some kind of entrapment.. he cares too much about the media's opinion, here's some facts I found out on net, quite interesting:
...I don't know of any athlete in the world who has had to prove himself so many times. Over and over again, fighting off the image. I'll give you an example:
"That Wilt. He just stands there and dunks the ball," says one writer.
So I work hard and perfect a jump shot.
"That Wilt. He shouldn't fade away from the basket when he's shooting the jumper," they say.
So I try some other shots. And I concentrate on defense.
"That Wilt," they say this time. "He just plays one end of the court."
So I dash around and hustle down to the other end of the court.
"He's hogging all the action."
So I try more team play, and I feed the ball off like mad.
"That Wilt," they say, fresh out of criticism. "He's a fink."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1077071/2/index.htm

Some may argue that the weight and strength could be the key points of the matchup between Shaq and Wilt, I wish I could agree with that Shaq could out-strength Wilt, but I have some concerns about the weight comparison: in Shaq's peak he's 350 lbs while Wilt's 275 lbs, with Shaq's attacking mode to the rim, he can bring a lot of trouble to Wilt (because of the weight difference), care to share your opinion?

Btw, what does "IMHO" stand for?

In My Humble Opinion....

I suspect that Chamberlain, in his prime, around 1966-67 or so, was around 280 or more. He was over 300 by the early 70's. But, yes, Shaq's weight would be a problem for Wilt, just as it was for everyone else that Shaq faced. But those that played against Chamberlain, almost to a man, said he was an immovable object. And Bob Lanier, who was 6-11 250 (or more) said that Wilt "picked me up and moved me like a cup of coffee."

Shaq's lower bulk would be his biggest advantage, but I don't think he could lower his shoulder into Wilt as easily as he did, even against the like's of Sabonis. As I stated earlier, I think O'Neal would get his share of points. But, even at the rim, Wilt could bother his shots.

On the other end, Wilt, in his prime, would have just too many moves and shots for Shaq to neutralize. Here again, Wilt seldom used his massive size and strength against lessor opponents, so I don't think Shaq's huge size would be a factor. Wilt would use his athleticism against Shaq, just as he did against the centers of his era. But, Wilt would not get the easy baskets that he did against his peers.

I think BOTH of them were not used properly throughout their careers. As good as their foot-work was, I think getting them the ball, on the side of the lane, and 8-10 feet from the basket was a poor use of their true advantage...which was overpowering their opponents IN the lane. I followed the careers of both, and Shaq routinely had 5-10 baskets per game, by just moving into the lane, and receiving passes deep in the post. Wilt was seldom used in that fashion...and I have always wondered what kind of numbers he could have put up, had his coaches taken advantage of that.

The end result? In a best-of-seven series, I suspect that each would have games in which they would outplay the other, but overall, I don't think there would be a clear-cut winner. If both were asked to carry the offense, I don't think the other would be able to shut them down. I think a 30-20-4-5 game would not be unusual.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Refs may have whistled this a foul today, as he clears out Thurmond for an offensive board at the 0:34 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keLsXWNLCF0

[Abraham Lincoln]

Shaq's lower bulk would be his biggest advantage, but I don't think he could lower his shoulder into Wilt as easily as he did, even against the like's of Sabonis. As I stated earlier, I think O'Neal would get his share of points. But, even at the rim, Wilt could bother his shots.

I think BOTH of them were not used properly throughout their careers. As good as their foot-work was, I think getting them the ball, on the side of the lane, and 8-10 feet from the basket was a poor use of their true advantage...which was overpowering their opponents IN the lane. I followed the careers of both, and Shaq routinely had 5-10 baskets per game, by just moving into the lane, and receiving passes deep in the post. Wilt was seldom used in that fashion...and I have always wondered what kind of numbers he could have put up, had his coaches taken advantage of that.
Indeed Chamberlain's length and ability to extend himself in air would give a man with comparable strength like O'Neal trouble. Wilt would have to use his legs a lot more and knee him out of position, again depending on what the refs allow. Not let him pass out and re-post even deeper. Try to keep the pressure on him defensively and challenge everything. One thing I have noticed is the supposed heights of some great centers. Apparently Shaq was 7'1 in 1992. I don't know how much he has grown since then.


http://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg

[jlauber]

Indeed Chamberlain's length and ability to extend himself in air would give a man with comparable strength like O'Neal trouble. Wilt would have to use his legs a lot more and knee him out of position, again depending on what the refs allow. Not let him pass out and re-post even deeper. Try to keep the pressure on him defensively and challenge everything. One thing I have noticed is the supposed heights of some great centers. Apparently Shaq was 7'1 in 1992. I don't know how much he has grown since then.


http://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg

VERY interesting photo...

There was much speculation as to the actual height of Wilt (and Kareem.) Wilt, himself, maintained that he was slightly over 7-1. However, there were MANY at the time that believed Wilt (and Kareem) were MUCH taller. I have posted this before, but Artis Gilmore was every bit of 7-2... but in the footage, I swear Chamberlain is taller...and that includes Gilmore's afro, which probably made him 7-4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1R6UI738MI&NR=1

Incidently, after watching Chamberlain, at age 36, easily outjump Gilmore, it makes this photograph of Gilmore put Wilt's ACTUAL leaping ability into a more proper context (and remember, Wilt was 36 when he faced Artis)...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/17/20038946_9807edd74a.jpg

In any case, I suspect that Shaq was even taller than 7-1, as I have seen a TON of games with him against 7-1 Robinson and 7-1 Divac...and he certainly appeared taller than either. In fact, I thought that Shaq was at LEAST as tall as Motumbo.

All of which makes me wonder just how tall Wilt REALLY was?

[jlauber]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2007/kareem_wilt_0215.jpg

[jlauber]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/patwiltshaq.jpg

Not sure about the angles, but they are both CLEARLY taller than 7-0 Patrick Ewing.

[jlauber]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1065131/5/index.htm

"Wilt leaned back in his chair then, stretching out to his full 7'1[1/16]" (although he is, of course, much taller than that) and he spoke about his own game."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1964&dat=19681101&id=eqcyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VrYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2150,166633

At least 7-3 according to that article.

[Manute for Ever!]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/patwiltshaq.jpg

Not sure about the angles, but they are both CLEARLY taller than 7-0 Patrick Ewing.

For what it's worth, Ewing is slouching pretty badly in that pic, but Wilt is still clearly taller.

http://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg
This photo would suggest that Bill Walton was 7'1"-ish as well. I have heard rumours that he was taller than his listed 6'11", but hated the stigma that came with being a seven footer, thus claimed to be shorter. Any truth to this?

[jlauber]

For what it's worth, Ewing is slouching pretty badly in that pic, but Wilt is still clearly taller.

http://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg
This photo would suggest that Bill Walton was 7'1"-ish as well. I have heard rumours that he was taller than his listed 6'11", but hated the stigma that came with being a seven footer, thus claimed to be shorter. Any truth to this?

I have never read anything that would suggest that Walton was taller than his listed 6-11, but you do bring up a good point when looking at that photo (although he appears to be standing closer to the camera, as well.)

Regarding Wilt and even Kareem, I always found it fascinating, that both were probably at least a couple of inches TALLER than listed...while the common practice at the time (and even today) was to exaggerate height. Tom Burleson came from NC St. listed at 7-4, and was measured at 7-2 in the NBA. Of course, Olajuwon is probably the best example. He was listed at 7-0, and there were those that believed he was shorter than 6-10.

Even more importantly, however, has been the fact that height, while always desirable, has never been the KEY reason why players dominated. There have been quite a few NBA players at 7-3 or taller, and not ONE has ever led the NBA in rebounding. And I believe Gheorge Muresan was the only 7-3+ player to ever lead the NBA in FG%.

Throw Wilt out, and there have only been a few seven-footers who have led the NBA (or ABA) in rebounding. Motumbo, twice, Gilmore twice (in the ABA), and Kareem once. Olajuwon was not close to seven-feet, so he doesn't count.

[alexandreben]

I've only seen 3 full Wilt games, all were from his Laker days.

1970 NBA Finals Game 7
1972 Lakers vs Bucks(Bucks snap the 33 game streak)


The above game are full game footage or vid

[jlauber]

[QUOTE=alexandreben]The above game are full game footage or vid

[alexandreben]

Could anyone share some statistics of Wilt's blocking numbers during the series of the NBA Finals against NY in 1972(the year that LA crown their first title) please?

I m collecting Wilt's scoring and rebounding by searching in the google news, but there's no way I can find his shot blocking numbers:

G1: 12pts(11fga) 19rbs
G2: 23pts 24rbs
G3: 26pts 20rbs
G4: 12pts 24rbs
G5: 24pts 29rbs (from the footage below, I calcuated 22pts, 24rbs, 8 assists and 9 blocks, but there's a few minuts missed in that footage, so Wilt could get a tripple double or even more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa1bSQfzOcw

anyone cares to fill in the shot blocking numbers?

[julizaver]

Could anyone share some statistics of Wilt's blocking numbers during the series of the NBA Finals against NY in 1972(the year that LA crown their first title) please?

I m collecting Wilt's scoring and rebounding by searching in the google news, but there's no way I can find his shot blocking numbers:

G1: 12pts(11fga) 19rbs
G2: 23pts 24rbs
G3: 26pts 20rbs
G4: 12pts 24rbs
G5: 24pts 29rbs (from the footage below, I calcuated 22pts, 24rbs, 8 assists and 9 blocks, but there's a few minuts missed in that footage, so Wilt could get a tripple double or even more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa1bSQfzOcw

anyone cares to fill in the shot blocking numbers?

Man, about that series just see this link
http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1972.htm

And on that site you can find I lot of info about nba finals
About shotblocking stats I have only the last game 5 stat: it is 10 blocks, and not sure about 8 assists, they shall be 4.

[alexandreben]

Man, about that series just see this link
http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1972.htm

And on that site you can find I lot of info about nba finals
About shotblocking stats I have only the last game 5 stat: it is 10 blocks, and not sure about 8 assists, they shall be 4.
Thanks for sharing the linkage.

How's the source of the "10 blocks", mind if I asked where the stats come from?

in the G5, you can hear the anchor said that Chamberlain had 8 assists, at 04:58, that's where I got the stats, cuz there's 3 minutes missed so it could be more than 8 assists...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa1bSQfzOcw

[G.O.A.T]

I am of the belief that Bill Walton was probably about 7'2". He was certainly over 7'0". This is evident when you see him next to Kareem who was listed 7'2" but probably closer to '74" or 7'5".

Here is my belief of the "true" heights of some of the NBA's Giants

Gheorghe Muersean 7'8"
Manute Bol 7'7"
Shawn Bradley 7'6
Yao 7'5"
Kareem 7'4"
Walton 7'3"
Gilmore 7'2"
Garnett 7'2"
Shaq 7'1"
Wilt 7'1"
Robinson 7'1"
Duncan 7'0"
Ewing 6'11"
Olajuwon 6'11"

This is based on others speculation and in many cases seeing them or standing near or next to them in real life. I'm pretty tall and I feel I have a pretty good gauge as to how much taller people are then me. Kareem, Walton and Shaq are the three I've seen that I felt dwarfed me.

Yao is different, really big, but somehow Shaq seems bigger and Kareem seemed taller.

[alexandreben]

I am of the belief that Bill Walton was probably about 7'2". He was certainly over 7'0". This is evident when you see him next to Kareem who was listed 7'2" but probably closer to '74" or 7'5".

Here is my belief of the "true" heights of some of the NBA's Giants

Gheorghe Muersean 7'8"
Manute Bol 7'7"
Shawn Bradley 7'6
Yao 7'5"
Kareem 7'4"
Walton 7'3"
Gilmore 7'2"
Garnett 7'2"
Shaq 7'1"
Wilt 7'1"
Robinson 7'1"
Duncan 7'0"
Ewing 6'11"
Olajuwon 6'11"

This is based on others speculation and in many cases seeing them or standing near or next to them in real life. I'm pretty tall and I feel I have a pretty good gauge as to how much taller people are then me. Kareem, Walton and Shaq are the three I've seen that I felt dwarfed me.

Yao is different, really big, but somehow Shaq seems bigger and Kareem seemed taller.
Check out the pic below: James Worthy is 6'9", there's no way Walton can be 7'3"
http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Worthy-Walton-TPIR-Feb-11-590x396.jpg

[Abraham Lincoln]

Kareem 7'4"
Indeed. Combine that with his various hook shots and turnarounds and you have the #1 scoring weapon in league history as far as efficiency. Chamberlain may have been a superior scorer & all around ball player (IMO), but Jabbar was the most efficient in utilizing his length better than anyone. Not to be confused with field goal percentage, field goal attempts, player efficiency rating, true shooting percentage, or any other mathematical formula.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I am of the belief that Bill Walton was probably about 7'2". He was certainly over 7'0". This is evident when you see him next to Kareem who was listed 7'2" but probably closer to '74" or 7'5".

Here is my belief of the "true" heights of some of the NBA's Giants

Gheorghe Muersean 7'8"
Manute Bol 7'7"
Shawn Bradley 7'6
Yao 7'5"
Kareem 7'4"
Walton 7'3"
Gilmore 7'2"
Garnett 7'2"
Shaq 7'1"
Wilt 7'1"
Robinson 7'1"
Duncan 7'0"
Ewing 6'11"
Olajuwon 6'11"

This is based on others speculation and in many cases seeing them or standing near or next to them in real life. I'm pretty tall and I feel I have a pretty good gauge as to how much taller people are then me. Kareem, Walton and Shaq are the three I've seen that I felt dwarfed me.

Yao is different, really big, but somehow Shaq seems bigger and Kareem seemed taller.

Shaq is taller than Walton. Here they are in 1998 when Walton was 45 years old.

http://i43.tinypic.com/r7mali.jpg

Barefoot, Shaq was measured at 7'1" before the draft, Walton supposedly was a 7 footer who preferred to be listed at 6'11" because he thought 7' sounded freakish. I'd give Kareem a solid 7'2", he was measured at 7'1 5/8" in college, but I'd guess that he grew to atleast a full 7'2".

David Robinson was shorter than O'Neal and supposedly measured at 7'0" barefoot for the 1988 Olympics. Probably a case of being listed at his height in shoes. Tim Duncan was measured at 6'11" barefoot before the draft camp.

Ewing was anywhere between 6'11"-7'0' IMO, but his wingspan was truly freakish, Olajuwon claimed to be 6'11", but I always heard he was really 6'10".

Kevin Garnett is definitely shorter than Shaq and just a hair taller than Duncan. Garnett reluctantly admits to be 6'11 3/4" and I believe that'd make him about 7'1" in shoes.

Artis Gilmore said Wilt was a 1/4" inch shorter than him so that puts Gilmore at 7'1" and change.

Yao supposedly grew a bit after his pre-draft measurement and ended up at 7'5 3/4" barefoot so basically 7'6".

[G.O.A.T]

Is it possible that Walton may have shrunk?

I have a picture of Bill in Sport magazine where he is next to Wilt and looks clearly taller, but angles of course can be deceiving.

I just read that Wilt was 7'1" 1/4 (Loose Balls by Terry Pluto)

I';d say Gilmore was a legit 7'2"

I think KG is taller than Shaq, I swear he looks it when they play.

As for Kareem I am positive 7'2" is his minimum height. I've stood relatively next to him on multiple occasions, if he was actually 7'5"in shoes it wouldn't surprise me.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Is it possible that Walton may have shrunk?

I have a picture of Bill in Sport magazine where he is next to Wilt and looks clearly taller, but angles of course can be deceiving.

Of course Bill could have shrunk, but that much by age 45? I doubt it considering the average man only shrinks an inch and a quarter by age 70.


I just read that Wilt was 7'1" 1/4 (Loose Balls by Terry Pluto)

Wilt always gave his height as 7'1 1/16" exactly, his doctor also said he had measured Wilt at this height. Strange that he'd be so precise because nobody can see a 1/16".


I think KG is taller than Shaq, I swear he looks it when they play.

Garnett is a lot slimmer than Shaq which could give that illusion. Here are the best photos I could find. Not great, but Shaq looks bigger.
http://i39.tinypic.com/in7uiw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/281bf35.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2niu26b.jpg

Shaq also looks quite a bit bigger compared to Tim Duncan than Garnett does.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2vljo6t.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ma7gp.jpg


As for Kareem I am positive 7'2" is his minimum height. I've stood relatively next to him on multiple occasions, if he was actually 7'5"in shoes it wouldn't surprise me.

I agree, he always looked huge on the court. Atleast 7'2".

[G.O.A.T]

^ I was more referring to Walton's injuries to the arches in his feet as being the reason for his shrinking. Maybe he was 7'2" at peak or even 7'1", but he always seemed a lot closer to Kareem's height then say Bob Lanier (listed 6'10")

Good photos, it's hard to think Garnett isn't shorter based on that, however Shaq looks huge (which he is) in those photos, even dwarfing Timmy.

[ShaqAttack3234]

^ I was more referring to Walton's injuries to the arches in his feet as being the reason for his shrinking. Maybe he was 7'2" at peak or even 7'1", but he always seemed a lot closer to Kareem's height then say Bob Lanier (listed 6'10")

Good photos, it's hard to think Garnett isn't shorter based on that, however Shaq looks huge (which he is) in those photos, even dwarfing Timmy.

Walton's injuries could have made him shrink prematurely, particularly with a lot of surgeries. I'd say 7'0"-7'1" in his playing days. As far as Shaq? I've always wondered if he was actually more like 7'2", which I've heard he is. After all, he dwarfs Lebron.

[dutchguy]

Is it possible that Walton may have shrunk?

everyone shrinks after 40 years of age

[DCL]

we've come a long way in dribbling and shooting forms...

[jlauber]

I will go with what I actually saw. Kareem was probably a good inch taller than Chamberlain. As for Gilmore saying that he was slightly taller than Wilt...no way. There is footage available on YouTube, but it does not include the entire game. Before the start of the ABA-NBA All-Star game in 1972, even the announcers mentioned that Wilt was considerably taller than Gilmore...and Gilmore had his afro.

IMHO, (and there are many that agree BTW)...and despite even Wilt's own admission,...I say that Chamberlain was anywhere from 7-2 1/2 to 7-3...which would mean that Kareem was at least 7-3 1/2. I remember Kareem dwarfing Tom Burleson, who was listed at 7-4 in college, but was reduced to 7-2 in the NBA.

I saw many games in which Chamberlain was much taller than Thurmond, who was every bit of 6-11. Same with Bellamy... who was at least 3-4 inches shorter. Even Bill Russell said that Wilt was 4-5 inches taller than himself, and he was closer to 6-10. In Cherry's book, one of Wilt's closest friends, (I won't take the time to look him up now) stated that Wilt was 7-3.

I also believe Shaq, at least in the early 00's, to have been 7-2. Once again, he was noticebaly taller than Robinson and Divac, both of whom were listed at 7-1. And he appeared to be as tall as Motumbo, and even Larry Bird was stunned when Shaq was right there with 7-4 Rik Smits (who was obviously not as tall as listed.)

And, the photos that exist with Shaq and Wilt in the same picture, seem to give Wilt at least an inch...and he was in his late 50's at the time.

[Manute for Ever!]

Shaq is taller than Walton. Here they are in 1998 when Walton was 45 years old.

http://i43.tinypic.com/r7mali.jpg

Barefoot, Shaq was measured at 7'1" before the draft, Walton supposedly was a 7 footer who preferred to be listed at 6'11" because he thought 7' sounded freakish. I'd give Kareem a solid 7'2", he was measured at 7'1 5/8" in college, but I'd guess that he grew to atleast a full 7'2".

David Robinson was shorter than O'Neal and supposedly measured at 7'0" barefoot for the 1988 Olympics. Probably a case of being listed at his height in shoes. Tim Duncan was measured at 6'11" barefoot before the draft camp.

Ewing was anywhere between 6'11"-7'0' IMO, but his wingspan was truly freakish, Olajuwon claimed to be 6'11", but I always heard he was really 6'10".

Kevin Garnett is definitely shorter than Shaq and just a hair taller than Duncan. Garnett reluctantly admits to be 6'11 3/4" and I believe that'd make him about 7'1" in shoes.

Artis Gilmore said Wilt was a 1/4" inch shorter than him so that puts Gilmore at 7'1" and change.

Yao supposedly grew a bit after his pre-draft measurement and ended up at 7'5 3/4" barefoot so basically 7'6".


Confirms the rumour :cheers:

[Xsatyr]

lol those were the slowest fastbreaks I ever seen in my life.