Myths about players bodyfat %

[PistonsFan#21]

In the past month i have seen numerous posters claim such or such player has a bodyfat less than 5% or around that number. Those people most of the time dont know what they're talking about so i looked up on the net and found some pictures of guys at low bodyfat% just so you can compare them to NBA players you claim to be 5% BF or lower.

Approximatively 15% BF
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25485&d=1044230984

Approximatively 12%BF
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=53438&d=1059942187

Approximatively 10% BF
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=70781&d=1068554724

Approximatively 7-9% BF
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38088&d=1052741270

Approximatively 5-7% BF
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72474&d=1069531013

Approximatively 3% BF (this condition can only be held for a few hours at a time. Not a healthy condition to stay in due to lower water level.)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=75234&d=1071062790


Now i dare anyone to try and name me a player they still believe is under 5-7% BF :pimp:

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Guys on here will believe anything. Mayo and Farmar have 42" verticals. Dhantay Jones has less then 3% body fat.
Lebron weighs 265
pick your myth

[Sanity]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2ni60ax.jpg

I'm not fat I'm husky

[chazzy]

The guy who went from 15% to 7-9% is pretty ridiculous

[Dresta]

Yeah, this thread is bull, i was at 10% for a while, and my abs weren't nearly a pronounced as that guys.

[Xsatyr]

Total bs bc at 12% I look nothing like that. Besides why are you using body builders for comparision???

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Total bs bc at 12% I look nothing like that. Besides why are you using body builders for comparision???
Ignorance is bliss.
The guy is just huge that doesn't correlate with his body fat %
You can be a stick with 10% bodyfat you dont have to have a ripped 6 pack and huge muscles

[lefthook00]

To have 2-4% bodyfat, you not only need to be EXTREMELY ripped, but you also need to have a LOT of muscle to change your bodyweight/bodyfat ratio.

http://bodybuildinglife.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/TomPlatz-legs.jpg

[Xsatyr]

Ignorance is bliss.
The guy is just huge that doesn't correlate with his body fat %
You can be a stick with 10% bodyfat you dont have to have a ripped 6 pack and huge muscles

Which is exactly my main point, their bodies look nothing like NBA players so how can one compare?

[lefthook00]

Total bs bc at 12% I look nothing like that. Besides why are you using body builders for comparision???

Yeah that guy is closer to 8% bodyfat.

[reppy]

The guy who went from 15% to 7-9% is pretty ridiculous

I think that guy is named Skippy Podar. For some reason, I was recently thinking about him since I started hitting the weights again. He has a website once that my friend linked to me. It's pretty f'n goofy.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I hear dumb shit like all the time, Ive been 3% body fat all my life and I gurantee I'm healthier and more athletic than anyone here. I don't randomly pass out from being tired or some bull. I hear this myth all my life.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Which is exactly my main point, their bodies look nothing like NBA players so how can one compare?
Yeah but you can get the gist by looking how defined they are not their size

[Xsatyr]

Yeah but you can get the gist by looking how defined they are not their size

Not really, their muscle definition makes it hard to compare teh fat around their body. I know people who are around 8% and do not look to be in shape so I can easily believe certain bball players have less than five.

[lefthook00]

I hear dumb shit like all the time, Ive been 3% body fat all my life and I gurantee I'm healthier and more athletic than anyone here. I don't randomly pass out from being tired or some bull. I hear this myth all my life.

Post your pic. Or post a pic of someone with a similar physique. Electronic and caliper tests can be off by a lot. Only way to really tell is to get tested in water or in those egg shaped pressure things.

[lefthook00]

Not really, their muscle definition alone makes it hard to compare the fat around the body.

More muscle only helps lower ones bodyfat%. If we are both the same height and both have 20 lbs of fat on us, but I have more muscle, my bodyfat % would be lower than yours.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Post your pic. Or post a pic of someone with a similar physique. Electronic and caliper tests can be off by a lot. Only way to really tell is to get tested in water or in those egg shaped pressure things.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f133/jlg5377/2006/Skinnyguy.jpg

[lefthook00]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f133/jlg5377/2006/Skinnyguy.jpg
:oldlol:

[PistonsFan#21]

Not really, their muscle definition makes it hard to compare teh fat around their body. I know people who are around 8% and do not look to be in shape so I can easily believe certain bball players have less than five.

The muscle definition is due to the low bodyfat % ... If you have good muscle mass and low bodyfat% you will look more ripped than someone with the same bodyfat% but with less muscle mass. If you are over 200lbs (like most NBA players) and have less than 5% BF then you would look like one of the guys i posted in the pictures. If you are only 100lbs with the same BF% then you will probably look like a skeleton because you will have almost no muscle mass. Clear enough?

And anyway name me a player you think is under 5% bodyfat just for the laughs.

[50inchvertical]

Is'Mail Muhammad frm Georgia Tech was exactly 6% It was actually a problem because he used to always get dehydrated and cramp up. LeBron was 8% at the draft combine, Collison was 20 :oldlol:

[PistonsFan#21]

Total bs bc at 12% I look nothing like that. Besides why are you using body builders for comparision???

Whats your height and weight? If you answer those honestly i could explain to you why you look nothing like the guy in the pic.

And i am using bodybuilders because they are the only people who would go as low as 3% BF (and thats with the help of steroids and having nothing else to think about other than eat right, rest and weight lifting). This is as low as a human being can go and for only a few days.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Is'Mail Muhammad frm Georgia Tech was exactly 6% It was actually a problem because he used to always get dehydrated and cramp up. LeBron was 8% at the draft combine, Collison was 20 :oldlol:
Lie Lebron has never been measured or stepped on a scale.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

The muscle definition is due to the low bodyfat % ... If you have good muscle mass and low bodyfat% you will look more ripped than someone with the same bodyfat% but with less muscle mass. If you are over 200lbs (like most NBA players) and have less than 5% BF then you would look like one of the guys i posted in the pictures. If you are only 100lbs with the same BF% then you will probably look like a skeleton because you will have almost no muscle mass. Clear enough?

And anyway name me a player you think is under 5% bodyfat just for the laughs.
http://www.grafxhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/rayallen2.jpg

How much body fat do you think he has?

[ILLsmak]

No the most hilarious idea is that less body fat = better.

-Smak

[enayes]

http://www.grafxhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/rayallen2.jpg

How much body fat do you think he has?


7-8%

[DuMa]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72474&d=1069531013

aint gonna lie. thought that was ray allen at first.

[Dresta]

haha, are you serious, no way is that above 5%.

[gyu]

Aaron Brooks somehow tested for 2.7% body fat:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Brooks-332/

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Aaron_Brooks

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://www.mensfitness.com/sports_and_recreation/70?print=1

Read the link, Ray Allen 4%.

Oh my! How does he stay alive?

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2008&sort2=ASC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=7 they were all taken in the pre draft camp.

Me, personally i measured my BF% by a trainer, IDK what the machine was but i had to hold my arms out in front of me and my thumbs were on a sensor metal thing. It record 5.1% bodyfat take we will leave it as that.

[inclinerator]

nba uses caliper testing which arent as accurate the best way to measure is body pods are probably the most accurate
this guy has a 5.3 percent bodyfat measure from a bodypod machine

http://i.imgur.com/5gh29.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IB3aHl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5AObrl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T10K1l.jpg

http://rsardinia.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/0328001146a.jpg?w=480&h=360

[w00terz]

wow, no homo or anything but that guy has a nice body

[Myth]

I got down to 7% once (according to calipers). Probably more like 15-20% (or more) now. Damn my busy life.

[w00terz]

I got down to 7% once (according to calipers). Probably more like 15-20% (or more) now. Damn my busy life.

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[Xsatyr]

wow, no homo or anything but that guy has a nice body

Yeah I think he has a nice ass, no homo

[Floppy]

http://www.mensfitness.com/sports_and_recreation/70?print=1

Read the link, Ray Allen 4%.

Oh my! How does he stay alive?
Cause he has more than 3%?

It's always safe to believe anything you read on the internet. Like Lebron's 2.7%

Get a proper scale and a reality check if you really believe you've got 3% bodyfat.

[PistonsFan#21]

http://www.mensfitness.com/sports_and_recreation/70?print=1

Read the link, Ray Allen 4%.

Oh my! How does he stay alive?

You are probably one of those clueless guys that think just because you have abs your bodyfat% must be under 5%. Check out the picture they posted on your link and take a look at Ray Allen`s arms. When you are at 4% bodyfat and lower muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. This link is BS just like the links that say Iverson is 6 feet tall, or the links that say Wilt had a 48inch vertical or even the link that say Aaron Brooks has a 2.7% bodyfat.

Like i said before 3% bodyfat is the strict minimum because you need fat around organs such as heart to protect it. You can't keep that bodyfat for longer than a couple days (even for bodybuilders on steroids) and you will be deshydrated all the time. At 4% Allen wouldnt be able to run around picks all game long and would just pass out. :pimp:

[boozehound]

The muscle definition is due to the low bodyfat % ... If you have good muscle mass and low bodyfat% you will look more ripped than someone with the same bodyfat% but with less muscle mass. If you are over 200lbs (like most NBA players) and have less than 5% BF then you would look like one of the guys i posted in the pictures. If you are only 100lbs with the same BF% then you will probably look like a skeleton because you will have almost no muscle mass. Clear enough?

And anyway name me a player you think is under 5% bodyfat just for the laughs.
people claiming 3% body fat are basing that off of inaccurate tests that were done poorly. As others have pointed out, lower body fat % means higher body muscle % as they are inversely proportional.

[kunk75]

3%-4% is required just to sustain life. 6% is about the lowest healthy level one can maintain.

[OneMoreSucka]

wow, no homo or anything but that guy has a nice body
I agree

/jealous

[Rameek]

You are probably one of those clueless guys that think just because you have abs your bodyfat% must be under 5%. Check out the picture they posted on your link and take a look at Ray Allen`s arms. When you are at 4% bodyfat and lower muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. This link is BS just like the links that say Iverson is 6 feet tall, or the links that say Wilt had a 48inch vertical or even the link that say Aaron Brooks has a 2.7% bodyfat.

Like i said before 3% bodyfat is the strict minimum because you need fat around organs such as heart to protect it. You can't keep that bodyfat for longer than a couple days (even for bodybuilders on steroids) and you will be deshydrated all the time. At 4% Allen wouldnt be able to run around picks all game long and would just pass out. :pimp:
the injuries and bruising he would have doing it would be significant... people have no idea what fat really does for the body

[phoenix18]

I agree

/jealous

I always wanted a Bruce Lee body.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WLfu_ImGDBg/SOQhWqN7ppI/AAAAAAAACQ4/y2fAiVuSmu4/S1600-R/BruceLeeMyHero.jpg.png

Just too lazy.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

You are probably one of those clueless guys that think just because you have abs your bodyfat% must be under 5%. Check out the picture they posted on your link and take a look at Ray Allen`s arms. When you are at 4% bodyfat and lower muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. This link is BS just like the links that say Iverson is 6 feet tall, or the links that say Wilt had a 48inch vertical or even the link that say Aaron Brooks has a 2.7% bodyfat.

Like i said before 3% bodyfat is the strict minimum because you need fat around organs such as heart to protect it. You can't keep that bodyfat for longer than a couple days (even for bodybuilders on steroids) and you will be deshydrated all the time. At 4% Allen wouldnt be able to run around picks all game long and would just pass out. :pimp:
Oh yeah of course mensfitness is BS and I should listen to you. Even though I have been tested with 3% multiple times and never get dehydrated or pass out and I'm one of the better athletes I know, I should still listen to you. Even though you have no proof of anything and there are multiple articles from predraft camps pointing out that Aaron brooks has 2.7 and ray allen has 4 I should still listen to you. Who needs facts when you got this guy telling you stuff. I don't.

[creepingdeath]

You are probably one of those clueless guys that think just because you have abs your bodyfat% must be under 5%. Check out the picture they posted on your link and take a look at Ray Allen`s arms. When you are at 4% bodyfat and lower muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. This link is BS just like the links that say Iverson is 6 feet tall, or the links that say Wilt had a 48inch vertical or even the link that say Aaron Brooks has a 2.7% bodyfat.

Like i said before 3% bodyfat is the strict minimum because you need fat around organs such as heart to protect it. You can't keep that bodyfat for longer than a couple days (even for bodybuilders on steroids) and you will be deshydrated all the time. At 4% Allen wouldnt be able to run around picks all game long and would just pass out. :pimp:
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ISH = serious business.

95% of my posts come from taking breaks on my thesis in a library. I have about 2 hours of true free time per day at most, and that is usually spent watching Blazer games (and other games) or spending time with my gf. Its not that I just sit around on ISH all day. Just visits for 2-3 minutes at a time.

[Xsatyr]

95% of my posts come from taking breaks on my thesis in a library. I have about 2 hours of true free time per day at most, and that is usually spent watching Blazer games (and other games) or spending time with my gf. Its not that I just sit around on ISH all day. Just visits for 2-3 minutes at a time.

I have nothing to say on the subject but I just wanted let you know i do not like you. Nothing personal, it is your avatar, it creeps me out...

[Reef]

Oh yeah of course mensfitness is BS and I should listen to you. Even though I have been tested with 3% multiple times and never get dehydrated or pass out and I'm one of the better athletes I know, I should still listen to you. Even though you have no proof of anything and there are multiple articles from predraft camps pointing out that Aaron brooks has 2.7 and ray allen has 4 I should still listen to you. Who needs facts when you got this guy telling you stuff. I don't.

What method was your BF tested by? I guarantee you no player in the NBA has 2.7 %BF. As someone said before, the NBA uses caliper testing, which is not accurate.

The most accurate ways to measure your BF are by DEXA scan or hydrostatic weighing. If you haven't been tested by any of those methods, then you're not 3%BF.

[Fallguy20]

Meh, after rehab I went on a binge and got to 225 @ 9-10% and I didnt look like those guys. This is mostly because of my longer/lanky 6'4" frame that can pack on hidden weight and it doesnt make me look cut at all. In fact, the only times I ever actually look good and cut are when im pushing 11% plus and a little extra weight... theres just something unsettling about looking overly chisled.

:ohwell:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/200801/C20075309118440792_Body_Fat_and_Hydration_Monitor. jpg


I dont know what this is called, but again when i was with the athletic trainer. She made me use a device almost identical to this one. I held it out for a little bit, and it read 5.1 % bodyfat.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

What method was your BF tested by? I guarantee you no player in the NBA has 2.7 %BF. As someone said before, the NBA uses caliper testing, which is not accurate.

The most accurate ways to measure your BF are by DEXA scan or hydrostatic weighing. If you haven't been tested by any of those methods, then you're not 3%BF.
The nba does not use caliper testing, wtf. Thats a fat old people test. You are trying to tell me that a multi billion dollar organization would go out of its way to use an inaccurate method, to generate numbers which are published everywhere and used to evaluate talent. ok. Of course, please find some proof of this.

You are a jackass.

Please someone find proof that the NBA uses incorrect body fat numbers at its camps. Or that a professional athlete cannot have 2.5% body fat. Please. cmon. Its like every person here read some dumbass article about bodyfat one day and thinks its the body fat rule of the universe.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

The nba does not use caliper testing, wtf. Thats a fat old people test. You are trying to tell me that a multi billion dollar organization would go out of its way to use an inaccurate method, to generate numbers which are published everywhere and used to evaluate talent. ok. Of course, please find some proof of this.

You are a jackass.

Please someone find proof that the NBA uses incorrect body fat numbers at its camps. Or that a professional athlete cannot have 2.5% body fat. Please. cmon. Its like every person here read some dumbass article about bodyfat one day and thinks its the body fat rule of the universe.
I know they use incorrect heights,weights,verticals so this doesnt surprise ,e

[inclinerator]

shut up ohnotimnosho u dont know sht

[OhNoTimNoSho]

shut up ohnotimnosho u dont know sht
Solid argument, but I disagree.

[warriorfan]

this thread is kinda h0m0

[twolvesfan]

Yeah, this thread is bull, i was at 10% for a while, and my abs weren't nearly a pronounced as that guys.
thats because they actually work out. you can have an extremely low BF and still not be ripped

[PK3434]

i was measured at 5.5% body fat in college...i could see that its def possible to be under 5 percent.

[creepingdeath]

I bet 100 bucks that no one here has ever reached a bodyfat below 6-7% (unless someone here is going on stage at bb competitions). And anyone who thinks a body fat monitors or the caliper method is anywhere near approximate, is an idiot.

[PistonsFan#21]

The nba does not use caliper testing, wtf. Thats a fat old people test. You are trying to tell me that a multi billion dollar organization would go out of its way to use an inaccurate method, to generate numbers which are published everywhere and used to evaluate talent. ok. Of course, please find some proof of this.

You are a jackass.

Please someone find proof that the NBA uses incorrect body fat numbers at its camps. Or that a professional athlete cannot have 2.5% body fat. Please. cmon. Its like every person here read some dumbass article about bodyfat one day and thinks its the body fat rule of the universe.

:roll: :roll: you're a joke dude. There is atleast 3% of your bodyfat that are essential fat because it surrounds the organs for protection and warmth. Are you telling me there is NBA players that will go lower than that and risk their health? :hammerhead:

Its impossible to have such low % and play an intense sport like basketball 82 games a season.

[twolvesfan]

I bet 100 bucks that no one here has ever reached a bodyfat below 6-7% (unless someone here is going on stage at bb competitions). And anyone who thinks a body fat monitors or the caliper method is anywhere near approximate, is an idiot.
:rolleyes: I wrestled for 7 years out of my life, had my BF tested each month and weight myself 3 times a day. Before you ask, i was a constant 4.9-5.5% body fat all throughout high school. so go take your "i bet no one here" shit and GTFO:violin:

[95blues]

3% is required for normal bodily function, this fat is located within vital organs and cells.

I compete in Natural bodybuilding comps at 6.5% and can barely stand up while i am on stage due to the lack of energy as a result of the dieting required to reach such low percentages. I even take the final 2 weeks of my prep off work as i can hardly move off the couch.

At less then 5% your body starts to stop producing testosterone naturally and as a result muscle mass begins to decline and you lose your natural aggresiveness and competitiveness. At this stage of my prep i would take a single M&M over a night with Miranda Kerr no holds barred.

Olympic sprinters sit around 6-7%

Lets also keep in mind that with every degree darker that your skin is, the "perceived" bodyfat of said person drops 1.5%. This is ONE of the major reasons bodybuilders apply so much fake tan.

I remember Cory Magette was quite ripped when he entered the NBA, in his rookie season i would estimate he "looked" to be about 7-8%, however if he had the skin colour of spencer hawes it would "appear" to be about 10-11%.

Just my opinion. Most of which is based on actual experience.

[-Husker-]

Men can be healthy and have body fat as low as 3%. For women it's 12%.

[Alonzo Magic]

Men can be healthy and have body fat as low as 3%. For women it's 12%.

Women suck

[OhNoTimNoSho]

:roll: :roll: you're a joke dude. There is atleast 3% of your bodyfat that are essential fat because it surrounds the organs for protection and warmth. Are you telling me there is NBA players that will go lower than that and risk their health? :hammerhead:

Its impossible to have such low % and play an intense sport like basketball 82 games a season.
Can someone just link a legitimate article saying this, so I could read it.

[kunk75]

you don;t need an article it's a biological fact. bbuilders go down to roughly 4% and only for a period of 24-72 hours. the fat around your heart and brain and spine=roughly 3%.

[PistonsFan#21]

Can someone just link a legitimate article saying this, so I could read it.

http://chetday.com/bodyfatindex.htm

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/cms/index.php?itemid=144&page=1 (watch the progress of this guy and the way he looks at 6.5%)

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html (read the part lower is not necessarly better)

http://askthetrainer.com/definition-of-percent-body-fat.html (read the essential body fat part)

[PistonsFan#21]

you don;t need an article it's a biological fact. bbuilders go down to roughly 4% and only for a period of 24-72 hours. the fat around your heart and brain and spine=roughly 3%.

exactly. The guys that dont understand that are probably some skinny bastards with a 6 pack and weighing 125lbs thinking they dont have any fat on them

[Doo Doo_Brown]

Can someone just link a legitimate article saying this, so I could read it.

Instead of asking for a link, why don't you ask a doctor? I guarantee you any doctor will tell you exactly what many of us in this thread have been saying -that 3-5% body fat in men is considered to be essential body fat, and anything less than that is considered to be very unhealthy.

[Reef]

The nba does not use caliper testing, wtf. Thats a fat old people test. You are trying to tell me that a multi billion dollar organization would go out of its way to use an inaccurate method, to generate numbers which are published everywhere and used to evaluate talent. ok. Of course, please find some proof of this.

You are a jackass.

Please someone find proof that the NBA uses incorrect body fat numbers at its camps. Or that a professional athlete cannot have 2.5% body fat. Please. cmon. Its like every person here read some dumbass article about bodyfat one day and thinks its the body fat rule of the universe.

You still haven't told me how you found out you're less than 3%BF.

So tell me what method the NBA uses smart guy. I seriously doubt they'd put hundreds of potential draftees through DEXA scans or take them out to a pool to do hydrostatic weighing. They're either using calipers or Bioelectrical impedance analysis. Both are useless tests to get an accurate measurement.

You're talking out of your ass on this subject. Do you have striated glutes and thighs? Are your cheekbones always protruding out? Can you see all your veins/vessels like the guy in the pic below?

http://www.voguehost.com/ims/u/fritter/vascular/Scott%20Farmer.jpg

You're in way over your head here son.

[-Husker-]

The OP's original intent was to dispute the idea that some NBA players have body fat percentages that are lower than 5%. I don't think it's crazy to assume that one or two players in the NBA have body fat percentages at or below 5. Afterall, we're talking about professional athletes who for the most part are very dedicated to their craft.

[PistonsFan#21]

The OP's original intent was to dispute the idea that some NBA players have body fat percentages that are lower than 5%. I don't think it's crazy to assume that one or two players in the NBA have body fat percentages at or below 5. Afterall, we're talking about professional athletes who for the most part are very dedicated to their craft.

Actually my point was to prove that most of the bodyfat numbers you will find online about NBA players are BS. There is lists that have players like Dahntay Jones, Wade, Lebron James and Aaron Brooks, Howard at about 3% bodyfat or even lower.

4% bodyfat is already in the bodybuilder range and they are on steroids and only worry about eating right all the time and working out. They will also go down to that percentage only when they have a show coming up and none of them keep it all year long

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://chetday.com/bodyfatindex.htm

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/cms/index.php?itemid=144&page=1 (watch the progress of this guy and the way he looks at 6.5%)

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html (read the part lower is not necessarly better)

http://askthetrainer.com/definition-of-percent-body-fat.html (read the essential body fat part)
Not one articles states that if you have less then 3 percent body fat you might randomly die or wouldn't be able to live healthy. Which everyone here is claiming. Not only that but those are averages. If an average basketball players body fat is 6% what do you think the lower end of the spectrum would be?

If you guys really think its impossible for a human being, not even a pro athlete which has a highly tuned body, to be able to be healthy at that low of a body fat % then whats the point of even trying. There are even various articles stating the BF of various players which are below what you say, yet they are all wrong. Every single one. Cus you guys said so. Cus apparently the NBA is an incompetent organization which publishes false stats out of pure laziness. Ok guys, you've convinced me.

[Myth]

I have nothing to say on the subject but I just wanted let you know i do not like you. Nothing personal, it is your avatar, it creeps me out...

Ok :lol

[magnax1]

What % body fat does an anerexic person have?

[w00terz]

Not one articles states that if you have less then 3 percent body fat you might randomly die or wouldn't be able to live healthy. Which everyone here is claiming. Not only that but those are averages. If an average basketball players body fat is 6% what do you think the lower end of the spectrum would be?

If you guys really think its impossible for a human being, not even a pro athlete which has a highly tuned body, to be able to be healthy at that low of a body fat % then whats the point of even trying. There are even various articles stating the BF of various players which are below what you say, yet they are all wrong. Every single one. Cus you guys said so. Cus apparently the NBA is an incompetent organization which publishes false stats out of pure laziness. Ok guys, you've convinced me.

Stop. Seriously. You're talking out of your ass. The difference between maintaining 3% body fat and 6% body fat is huge.

[Phong]

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1609/image1cvt.jpg

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html


For contests, I drop down to 3-4% but that’s a temporary peak condition. The key word is temporary: To maintain my health, I only try to stay that low for a few weeks, and my absolute best peak condition is maintained for perhaps only a few days.

Remember, any condition you can maintain all year round is not a peak condition and a true peak condition is not something you should even try to hold all year round. To be healthy, there must be balance. For every peak, there must be a valley.

To give you a benchmark for your body fat, here are some typical fat % levels:

Men:

Contest bodybuilder: 3-5%
Extremely lean: 6-9%
Lean: 10-15%
Average Male: 16-20%
Poor: 20-25%
Very Poor: 25%+

http://chetday.com/bodyfatindex.htm

[thejumpa]

If an average basketball players body fat is 6% what do you think the lower end of the spectrum would be?


I highly doubt that the end of the spectrum is 3%. From what I have seen, there is a pretty large difference between 3% and 6%. At 6%, you are lean as shit. At 3%, you are either a BB'er or really ****ing skinny. It doesn't make sense for either of these people to play basketball. It doesn't even sound healthy. Have you ever seen a bodybuilder or athlete up close?

[Xsatyr]

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1609/image1cvt.jpg


According to this chart the average woman is probably fat.


I keed I keed

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I saw the charts, What part of it does it say Aaron Brooks can't be 2.7% BF, or that Ray Allen can't be 4%?


http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/

CONTROL + F to bodyfat.

It says:

The average American male's percentage of body fat is 15-20%. The average professional athlete's is 7-8%. Jordan's body fat was measured at 4%.

There are articles upon articles stating the opposite of what you guys are saying. Not one person has produced any legitimate scientific proof of your guys view on the "incorrect" body fat %s of the NBA (Apparently the nba uses useless testing techniques to get their information). That was a random article I googled to support my point, I'm sure I could find more. No one has produced any literature saying otherwise except some dudes blog about bodybuilding. Yet I should "Listen to you" or "Go ask a doctor." Cmon, really?

[PistonsFan#21]

Not one articles states that if you have less then 3 percent body fat you might randomly die or wouldn't be able to live healthy. Which everyone here is claiming. Not only that but those are averages. If an average basketball players body fat is 6% what do you think the lower end of the spectrum would be?

If you guys really think its impossible for a human being, not even a pro athlete which has a highly tuned body, to be able to be healthy at that low of a body fat % then whats the point of even trying. There are even various articles stating the BF of various players which are below what you say, yet they are all wrong. Every single one. Cus you guys said so. Cus apparently the NBA is an incompetent organization which publishes false stats out of pure laziness. Ok guys, you've convinced me.

Can you read?


Essential Body Fat -- For the body to function normally and healthily a certain amount of body fat is required. This is called essential fat. For women the average amount of essential fat is 12% of bodyweight and for men it is 3%.


A certain amount of body fat is vital for the body to function normally and healthy. In fact striving for a body fat percentage that is too low can be dangerous


Trying to achieve a body fat percentage that is so low it affects your essential fat stores is NOT good for your health.

Some storage fat is also required for good health. It's used to protect internal organs in the chest and abdomen

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html

[Phong]

I hear dumb shit like all the time, Ive been 3% body fat all my life and I gurantee I'm healthier and more athletic than anyone here. I don't randomly pass out from being tired or some bull. I hear this myth all my life.
You still haven't told us what method was used to measure your body fat %.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Can you read?







http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html
Just because because it CAN be dangerous doesn't mean its dangerous in every goddamn situation in the history of the universe. So I have 3% BF. The instant it becomes 2.9% Im in danger of dying? What if my essential fat is 2.5% not 3%, is that possible? Those are averages for REGULAR PEOPLE, not pro athletes. The chart in that article is total BS by the way.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

You still haven't told us what method was used to measure your body fat %.
Cus it has nothing to do with the topic, get off my nuts.

[Phong]

Cus it has nothing to do with the topic, get off my nuts.
Well you claimed to be at 3%. Is it so hard to explain how it was measured? Or you simply can't answer cause you're just an ignorant bullshitter who wants to believe that he's as lean as a competitive bodybuilder?

[PistonsFan#21]

I saw the charts, What part of it does it say Aaron Brooks can't be 2.7% BF, or that Ray Allen can't be 4%?


http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/

CONTROL + F to bodyfat.

It says:


There are articles upon articles stating the opposite of what you guys are saying. Not one person has produced any legitimate scientific proof of your guys view on the "incorrect" body fat %s of the NBA (Apparently the nba uses useless testing techniques to get their information). That was a random article I googled to support my point, I'm sure I could find more. No one has produced any literature saying otherwise except some dudes blog about bodybuilding. Yet I should "Listen to you" or "Go ask a doctor." Cmon, really?

You can't believe everything you see on the internet...i also saw an article that listed Shaq with an 11% bodyfat when he played for Miami and was 321lbs. Do you think its accurate too? Even Jeff Green is listed at 3.7% bodyfat on that link

Here's Aaron Brooks listed at 2.7% bodyfat by the NBA
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0903/nba.games.of.the.week0316/images/aaron-brooks.jpg

Here's a bodybuilder that is around 3% bodyfat
http://files.dmusic.com/music/t/r/trife/very-vascular-bb.jpg

Notice the veins popping out...thats how you look like when you have such a low bodyfat percentage. You can't have 2.7% bodyfat and not see any vascularity in your arms or legs.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Well you claimed to be at 3%. Is it so hard to explain how it was measured? Or you simply can't answer cause you're just an ignorant bullshitter who wants to believe that he's as lean as a competitive bodybuilder?
I'm arguing with the poster of this topic and the people that support his view of "it is not possible for NBA players to be X percent bodyfat." How does my body fat factor into the argument, since I am not in the NBA. I could lie and say whatever and it wouldn't make a difference. Do you have any logical points or are you just trying to get to know me better?

[Phong]

The point was that the measurements taken by the NBA are probably complete bullshit because they're not gonna put hundreds of athletes into pools to accurately measure their body fat %. The most common method to measure body fat % is done with skin calipers. And those aren't accurate. Here's an article on how inaccurate they are: http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatcalipers.html

Just use your own logic and ask yourself how a regular basketball player can have the same body fat % as a bodybuilder, whose only job is to make lean muscle and get his body fat % as low as possible, having to starve himself for weeks before a competition to achieve it.

So now, what method was used to measure your body fat %?

[OhNoTimNoSho]

You can't believe everything you see on the internet...i also saw an article that listed Shaq with an 11% bodyfat when he played for Miami and was 321lbs. Do you think its accurate too? Even Jeff Green is listed at 3.7% bodyfat on that link

Here's Aaron Brooks listed at 2.7% bodyfat by the NBA
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/5/5c/Aaron-Brooks.jpg

Here's a bodybuilder that is around 3% bodyfat
http://files.dmusic.com/music/t/r/trife/very-vascular-bb.jpg

Notice the veins popping out...thats how you look like when you have such a low bodyfat percentage. You can't have 2.7% bodyfat and not see any vascularity in your arms or legs.
You can't compare body builders and nba players, body builder are freaks who exploit their body to get results for 1 tournament. NBA players and pro athletes actually use their body and have to consider long term effects. With that said. I understand the internet is not the best place for hard info, but there are articles upon articles stating players BF %. Second, where does it say to be certain percentage you have to have veins popping out? That dude is right before a tournament and he is flexing real hard. You're not even making sense. I want facts, not observations based on your intuition.

[inclinerator]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/pic4.jpg
here is lee priest at low percentage taken recently, u telling me any bball player is close to that shredded now?

he is still weeks away from a show and getting down to 202 btw

[Swaggin916]

You can't believe everything you see on the internet...i also saw an article that listed Shaq with an 11% bodyfat when he played for Miami and was 321lbs. Do you think its accurate too? Even Jeff Green is listed at 3.7% bodyfat on that link

Here's Aaron Brooks listed at 2.7% bodyfat by the NBA
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0903/nba.games.of.the.week0316/images/aaron-brooks.jpg

Here's a bodybuilder that is around 3% bodyfat
http://files.dmusic.com/music/t/r/trife/very-vascular-bb.jpg

Notice the veins popping out...thats how you look like when you have such a low bodyfat percentage. You can't have 2.7% bodyfat and not see any vascularity in your arms or legs.

His veins are popping out because of the bloodflow to his muscles (they are huge therefore more blood pumping into them) and because that he is flexing as hard as he can. Aaron is small and his veins are like a normal persons and won't stick out like that. If he was to flex... they probably would. I'll trust the measurement tho... I don't think Draft Express would just bullshit all those numbers.

[Phong]

You can't compare body builders and nba players, body builder are freaks who exploit their body to get results for 1 tournament. NBA players and pro athletes actually use their body and have to consider long term effects. So when a professionnal body builder says he doesn't stay at peak performance with 3% body fat for more than a few days he's not considering long term effects? Are you a moron or what?

And like you said bodybuilders are freaks because they trained to the point where they can achieve such a low body fat %. You think a basketball players has the same muscles/fat ratio as a bodybuilder? Do you even know what a percentage is?

[gyu]

Why are you all comparing a body builder at around 3% body fat to a small guy like Brooks at around a supposed 3% body fat?
Of course the body builder will look shredded and insanely vascular in comparison to Brooks, no comparison

[OhNoTimNoSho]

The point was that the measurements taken by the NBA are probably complete bullshit because they're not gonna put hundreds of athletes into pools to accurately measure their body fat %. The most common method to measure body fat % is done with skin calipers. And those aren't accurate. Here's an article on how inaccurate they are: http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatcalipers.html

Just use your own logic and ask yourself how a regular basketball player can have the same body fat % as a bodybuilder, whose only job is to make lean muscle and get his body fat % as low as possible, having to starve himself for weeks before a competition to achieve it.

So now, what method was used to measure your body fat %?
Just cus you say it's probably bull shit doesn't make it bullshit. Thats an assumption, not a fact. If you can come up with 1 article pointing out that professional sports organizations use faulty methods to test potential prospects, or even that they use skin calipers, then I will continue arguing with you. If you can't then you are using opinions and assumptions and trying to pass them off as facts. PERIOD.

[inclinerator]

bodybuilders deplete them self of sodium and carb cycle and even completely cut their carbs during close to get to that point and your telling me a bball player can get to that point just by doing what they do everyday?

[inclinerator]

no if aaron brooks was 3 percent his arms would be striated even if he dont have veins

[Phong]

Why are you all comparing a body builder at around 3% body fat to a small guy like Brooks at around a supposed 3% body fat?
Of course the body builder will look shredded and insanely vascular in comparison to Brooks, no comparisonAt 3% body fat Brooks would like super lean and cut. Not big, but much more lean than what you see on the picture.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

You cannot compare body builders with pro athletes. Body builders do every thing they do strictly for looks and aesthetic reasons, pro athletes do it for functionality. PERIOD.

Isn't it weird how everyone's argument is based on a couple of a pictures of some bodybuilders? I smell faulty logic.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

At 3% body fat Brooks would like super lean and cut. Not big, but much more lean than what you see on the picture.
You got any facts to back that up? No? What a surprise.

[Reef]

You can't compare body builders and nba players, body builder are freaks who exploit their body to get results for 1 tournament. NBA players and pro athletes actually use their body and have to consider long term effects. With that said. I understand the internet is not the best place for hard info, but there are articles upon articles stating players BF %. Second, where does it say to be certain percentage you have to have veins popping out? That dude is right before a tournament and he is flexing real hard. You're not even making sense. I want facts, not observations based on your intuition.


Ahh, so you admit you can only be that lean for short periods of time. Then how would an NBA player be less than 3%BF during an entire season or how are you 3%BF your entire life if it's not healthy?

[Phong]

You cannot compare body builders with pro athletes. Body builders do every thing they do strictly for looks and aesthetic reasons, pro athletes do it for functionality. PERIOD.

Isn't it weird how everyone's argument is based on a couple of a pictures of some bodybuilders? I smell faulty logic.You do realize that body fat % has absolutely nothing to do with the sports? Muscle is muscle. The more you have compared to your body fat, the lower the body fat %. Now who do you think has more muscles compared to fat? A NBA player or a body builder?

How is the ratio of muscles/fat/bones/etc affected by throwing a ball in a hoop or lifting weight. It's a ****ing ratio!

[inclinerator]

so answer me this how come a bodybuilder can only maintain 3 percent bodyfat for only a couple of hrs while a basketball player can maintain it for a whole season?

[Reef]

You got any facts to back that up? No? What a surprise.

How can someone not look shredded at 3% BF? I don't care how much you weigh, at that percentage everyone would look as lean as that bodybuilder. Obviously Brooks wouldn't have as much muscle since he weighs less, but the vascularity would be the same.

[thejumpa]

There is some flawed logic on both sides of this argument. When most people think of someone who has 3% BF, they are thinking of a bodybuilder or super-cut athlete...not some regular joe. I suppose someone could be walking around at 3%, but they are probably pretty damn skinny. Aaron Brooks IS pretty small/skinny so I guess it's possible for him to have a BF that low....doubt it though.

To the OP....not trying to get into your business, but really....how did you come up with a 3% BF and your claim that you are more athletic and healthy than anyone on here?

[Phong]

Which is exactly my main point, their bodies [bodybuilders] look nothing like NBA players so how can one compare?Why compare?

Let's take a 6'3" bodybuilder and a basketball player of the same height. Their internal organs being about the same size and both of them having only their essential fat storage left. If one packs 150 lbs of pure muscle more than the other one, and the former being at 3% body fat. Do you think the other has the same bodyweight/body fat ratio?

It's simple logic.

[andredagiant]

TRAINING CAMP
Unlike professional football or baseball, NBA training camp is relatively short, lasting about one week before the start of exhibition games. Before players can begin practicing, however, they must go through a series of tests.

On the first day of camp, the Nuggets players are examined by an orthopedic specialist, an internal medicine doctor, an eye surgeon, and a dentist, as well as by a physiologist and the team trainer. They are given flu shots, and rookies are given hepatitis vaccinations. Players also receive counseling to determine whether they want to get an HIV test.

An exercise physiologist administers a test called a "VO2 max," which involves a stationary bike and measures oxygen uptake during maximal exercise. Players' strength and flexibility is measured by the team's strength and conditioning coach.

Benchmarks are adjusted for different body types. "A point guard should have a body-fat ratio of about seven to nine percent, while a center is going to be about 11 percent," Traina said.

http://espn.go.com/trainingroom/s/fitness/index.html

Just a little reference for some measurement benchmarks

[lefthook00]

There is some flawed logic on both sides of this argument. When most people think of someone who has 3% BF, they are thinking of a bodybuilder or super-cut athlete...not some regular joe. I suppose someone could be walking around at 3%, but they are probably pretty damn skinny. Aaron Brooks IS pretty small/skinny so I guess it's possible for him to have a BF that low....doubt it though.

To the OP....not trying to get into your business, but really....how did you come up with a 3% BF and your claim that you are more athletic and healthy than anyone on here?

He is pretty much saying that you NEED to have the muscle mass of a bodybuilder to even be 3% at all b/c the weight of the muscle adds to the total bodyweight which the bodyfat weight is divided by. So bf weight/total weight = bf%. If you don't have enough muscle to make you heavier, the correct ratio will be even harder to achieve b/c you'd be dividing bf weight by a smaller total bodyweight number.

[Xsatyr]

Why compare?

Let's take a 6'3" bodybuilder and a basketball player of the same height. Their internal organs being about the same size and both of them having only their essential fat storage left. If one packs 150 lbs of pure muscle more than the other one, and the former being at 3% body fat. Do you think the other has the same bodyweight/body fat ratio?

It's simple logic.

You can have two people at the same height and body fat % but still look different. I am not going to compare a body builder and bball player.

[heatfanwadefan]

More importantly, why are you guys looking at pictures of guys shirtless. thats only a tiny bit gay

[Xsatyr]

More importantly, why are you guys looking at pictures of guys shirtless. thats only a tiny bit gay

When I was clicking on the pics my girl's mom walked in on me, lol. The real funny part is that she thought I was going through my their hard drive. I was thinking this is not the first time there was pics of shirtless guys on that computer!!!

[mattevans11]

More importantly, why are you guys looking at pictures of guys shirtless. thats only a tiny bit gay


with a thread about this much BS this is what comes to your mind? HOMOPHOBE are we?


second off..... what does a bodybuilder gain by losing fat from his organs? why would they knowingly, albeit for jsut a couple days, do this if it was so "bad" for them.....

the OP has an agenda here...must people that start these kinds of threads then try to make it personal (how do you measure yours) need the STFU.....

to the OP... bring better arguments than this.... you have repeated yourself OVER AND OVER AND OVER again

to the OP... bring better arguments than this.... you have repeated yourself OVER AND OVER AND OVER again

to the OP... bring better arguments than this.... you have repeated yourself OVER AND OVER AND OVER again

you see how annoying that is?

[Doo Doo_Brown]

Why are you all comparing a body builder at around 3% body fat to a small guy like Brooks at around a supposed 3% body fat?
Of course the body builder will look shredded and insanely vascular in comparison to Brooks, no comparison

Do people just not understand the concept of percentages? :banghead:

[Lyoto15]

A guy that trains at my gym is the national champion Bodybuilding here in holland.

He told me this:
Before showtime they sit around 5% bodyfat, during the actuall show they drop down to around 3%

He told me he dropped down to 3% for his show and was about the faint everytime he flexxed a different pose.

It just NOT possible to preform on a high level with your bodyfat that low.

No way in hell nba players have 4% or less..
maybe not even 5%

[creepingdeath]

You cannot compare body builders with pro athletes. Body builders do every thing they do strictly for looks and aesthetic reasons, pro athletes do it for functionality. PERIOD.
Correct. And a bodyfat percentage below 6% is usually (there might be one or two guys with a bf% of 5%, but not tier 2 or even tier 3 ballers.. and no way is there a player with about 3-4% bodyfat) counter-productive for a sport like basketball. Exclamation mark!

[twolvesfan]

You can't believe everything you see on the internet...i also saw an article that listed Shaq with an 11% bodyfat when he played for Miami and was 321lbs. Do you think its accurate too? Even Jeff Green is listed at 3.7% bodyfat on that link

Here's Aaron Brooks listed at 2.7% bodyfat by the NBA
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0903/nba.games.of.the.week0316/images/aaron-brooks.jpg

Here's a bodybuilder that is around 3% bodyfat
http://files.dmusic.com/music/t/r/trife/very-vascular-bb.jpg

Notice the veins popping out...thats how you look like when you have such a low bodyfat percentage. You can't have 2.7% bodyfat and not see any vascularity in your arms or legs.
you can have a low body fat percentage and not be ripped at all. Exclusively using body builders to say "he doesnt look like that so he isnt X% bodyfat" is a horrible argument. Bodybuilders spend their lifes....BUILDING MUSCLE which ironically makes them pop out and have veins showing everywhere. Someone who is just a skinny **** that doesnt work out could have similar bodyfat % and not be ripped

[twolvesfan]

How can someone not look shredded at 3% BF? I don't care how much you weigh, at that percentage everyone would look as lean as that bodybuilder. Obviously Brooks wouldn't have as much muscle since he weighs less, but the vascularity would be the same.
:rolleyes: Bodyfat % has nothing to do with how big your muscles are....

[-Husker-]

According to this chart the average woman is probably fat.


I keed I keed

They aren't, but I'm sure the majority of women think they're fat.

[-Husker-]

Actually my point was to prove that most of the bodyfat numbers you will find online about NBA players are BS. There is lists that have players like Dahntay Jones, Wade, Lebron James and Aaron Brooks, Howard at about 3% bodyfat or even lower.

4% bodyfat is already in the bodybuilder range and they are on steroids and only worry about eating right all the time and working out. They will also go down to that percentage only when they have a show coming up and none of them keep it all year long

I've never seen any websites that talk about players body fat. I seriously doubt Wade, LeBron, or the other players you mentioned have body fat percentages below 5%, but it's not out of the question. You have to consider that a) these are professional athletes and b) they have very good genes.

[kunk75]

this is painful. a 280lb man at 5% bf will look vastly different than a 150lb man at 5% but they can both exist. you dig?

[PistonsFan#21]

this is painful. a 280lb man at 5% bf will look vastly different than a 150lb man at 5% but they can both exist. you dig?

This is not even the question. Bodyfat is a percentage. If both guys are 5% they will both look ripped with alot of vascularity and good muscle definition. One will just look bigger with more muscle mass. When you watch Aaron Brooks you dont see any vascularity in his arms or legs and yet they claim him to be less than 3% bodyfat (something that almost no bodybuilder reach even when they are on stage). Same thing for Dahntay Jones.

sorry but this is not how you look like if you weigh 210lbs at less than 3% bodyfat :

http://www.nba.com/media/grizzlies/jones_fleer_03.jpg

[kunk75]

^no, i agree with that.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Ok listen people, Im not making any claims here I'm merely pointing out the holes in everyones logic.


@PistonsFan#21
Your whole argument is based on the assumption that X NBA player cannot be 3% bodyfat because he does not look like X body builder with 3% body fat. I'll do this one more time, kindergarden style.

1. You CANNOT COMPARE nba players with body builders. Apples to oranges. They are too different.

2. Your opinion on how someone should look with 3% BF is just that, an opinion. NOT A FACT. You cannot argue this point unless you are a Ph.D or an MD.

3. Your whole argument falls apart when you take out the bodybuilders out of the equation. Why can't you come up with any other examples???

@Everyone else
Once again, just because you guys think something should be a certain way doesn't mean it is in EVERY SITUATION. There are things called exceptions. Please produce an article saying a pro athlete CANNOT have 3% bodyfat no matter what. You can't, cus its not a FACT.


andredagiant Posted an article where at least you could discuss the point, but even there it says:
"A point guard should have a body-fat ratio of about seven to nine percent, while a center is going to be about 11 percent,"

Keyword here is SHOULD, it does not say WILL HAPPEN EVERYTIME WITHOUT QUESTION, it just says should.


There are facts and then there are opinions, if you're gonna just post again saying "but cmon man, just look at him, he doesnt look like such and such" then just shut up.

[boozehound]

:rolleyes: Bodyfat % has nothing to do with how big your muscles are....
you cant be that dumb can you? Assuming equal bone density and organ weight ( a reasonable assumption), muscle and fat are the only two factors in body fat %. If both people weigh the same #, then the amount of muscle is very important since the body fat % would be inversely proportional.
Once you have reduced your fat to the minimal amount required to survive, the only way to push that % lower is by adding muscle mass.

[Reef]

:rolleyes: Bodyfat % has nothing to do with how big your muscles are....

That was kind of my point if you read it correctly.

[Reef]

Ok listen people, Im not making any claims here I'm merely pointing out the holes in everyones logic.


@PistonsFan#21
Your whole argument is based on the assumption that X NBA player cannot be 3% bodyfat because he does not look like X body builder with 3% body fat. I'll do this one more time, kindergarden style.


Nobody's saying the NBA player will have the amount of muscle mass as the bodybuilder. Why don't you understand that?

We're saying at 3%BF, the NBA player will still have the same vascularity and leanness as the bodybuilder although he'll have less muscle mass.



1. You CANNOT COMPARE nba players with body builders. Apples to oranges. They are too different.


2. Your opinion on how someone should look with 3% BF is just that, an opinion. NOT A FACT. You cannot argue this point unless you are a Ph.D or an MD.


How is it an opinion? It's science. The picture is the evidence. It's not an opinion.


3. Your whole argument falls apart when you take out the bodybuilders out of the equation. Why can't you come up with any other examples???

The reason we're using bodybuilders is because they're pretty much the only athletes or humans that get as lean as 3%BF or less.


@Everyone else
Once again, just because you guys think something should be a certain way doesn't mean it is in EVERY SITUATION. There are things called exceptions. Please produce an article saying a pro athlete CANNOT have 3% bodyfat no matter what. You can't, cus its not a FACT.


andredagiant Posted an article where at least you could discuss the point, but even there it says:
"A point guard should have a body-fat ratio of about seven to nine percent, while a center is going to be about 11 percent,"

Keyword here is SHOULD, it does not say WILL HAPPEN EVERYTIME WITHOUT QUESTION, it just says should.


There are facts and then there are opinions, if you're gonna just post again saying "but cmon man, just look at him, he doesnt look like such and such" then just shut up.

Everyone's already provided articles saying that you need a certain amount of fat for basic functions. You yourself said that bodybuilders can only be that lean for one contest and basketball players can't maintain that. You proved our point right there.

[kunk75]

vascularity is somewhat genetic but leanness is directly correlated to bodyfat.

[boozehound]

That was kind of my point if you read it correctly.
but it does. If you have 10 lbs of fat and 40 lbs of muscle on a skeletal/organ frame of 100 lbs (all # are hypothetical, obviously muscle is a much bigger part of the weight) for a total of 150 lbs, your Body fat % would be 6.67%.

If you had 10 lbs of fat and 90 lbs of muscle on the same frame (total 200 lbs), your body fat would be 5%. So, the more muscle you have relative to your frame and fat weight, the lower your body fat %.

[Reef]

but it does. If you have 10 lbs of fat and 40 lbs of muscle on a skeletal/organ frame of 100 lbs (all # are hypothetical, obviously muscle is a much bigger part of the weight) for a total of 150 lbs, your Body fat % would be 6.67%.

If you had 10 lbs of fat and 90 lbs of muscle on the same frame (total 200 lbs), your body fat would be 5%. So, the more muscle you have relative to your frame and fat weight, the lower your body fat %.

The thing is that the 200 lbs person would have a larger frame. You need more dense/larger bones to support all that extra weight.

Also the smaller framed person would have less amount of essential fat needed so they'd be able to lower their bodyfat of 10lbs compared to the 200lbs guy.

[boozehound]

do people realize that even the DEXA and hydrostatic methods have a 2-3% margin of error? In other words, measured body fat at 3% with these methods could be off by as much as double. and the margin of error is way bigger for calipers or BMI calculations.

2-4% body fat is essential fat, not storage fat.

If bodybuilders with a huge amount of muscle mass (decreasing their bodyfat %) can only go a day or so at 3% and feel like passing out all the time, why in the world would anyone believe that bball players (With a much lower muscle mass and therefore higher average BF%s) could compete at a high athletic level with 3%?

[boozehound]

The thing is that the 200 lbs person would have a larger frame. You need more dense/larger bones to support all that extra weight.

Also the smaller framed person would have less amount of essential fat needed so they'd be able to lower their bodyfat of 10lbs compared to the 200lbs guy.
the point is that body builders have "artifically" lowered the BF% by having a huge amount of muscle mass.

[Reef]

do people realize that even the DEXA and hydrostatic methods have a 2-3% margin of error? In other words, measured body fat at 3% with these methods could be off by as much as double. and the margin of error is way bigger for calipers or BMI calculations.

2-4% body fat is essential fat, not storage fat.

If bodybuilders with a huge amount of muscle mass (decreasing their bodyfat %) can only go a day or so at 3% and feel like passing out all the time, why in the world would anyone believe that bball players (With a much lower muscle mass and therefore higher average BF%s) could compete at a high athletic level with 3%?

Exactly. Thank you.

[twolvesfan]

you cant be that dumb can you? Assuming equal bone density and organ weight ( a reasonable assumption), muscle and fat are the only two factors in body fat %. If both people weigh the same #, then the amount of muscle is very important since the body fat % would be inversely proportional.
Once you have reduced your fat to the minimal amount required to survive, the only way to push that % lower is by adding muscle mass.
:banghead: you missed the point. People in this thread are trying to argue that if you are at 5% body fat you will look like a body builder, WHICH IS NOT TRUE. a person who doesnt work out who is at 5% body fat will look a hell of a lot different then a bodybuilder at 5%. Thus my statement of "bodyfat has nothing to do with how big your muscles are":rolleyes:

[Xsatyr]

Also some of these body builders look even more ripped in those pics bc of lack of water in their system. They do not drink water when they have contest coming up.

[kunk75]

^they do, but they manipulate intake in the week leading up to a contest

[PistonsFan#21]

@PistonsFan#21
Your whole argument is based on the assumption that X NBA player cannot be 3% bodyfat because he does not look like X body builder with 3% body fat. I'll do this one more time, kindergarden style.

1. You CANNOT COMPARE nba players with body builders. Apples to oranges. They are too different.

2. Your opinion on how someone should look with 3% BF is just that, an opinion. NOT A FACT. You cannot argue this point unless you are a Ph.D or an MD.

3. Your whole argument falls apart when you take out the bodybuilders out of the equation. Why can't you come up with any other examples???



I can't come up with another example because bodybuilders are the only one that have such a low bodyfat%...whats so hard to understand?

And im not saying NBA players should look like bodybuilders to have such a low BF%. Im saying they should look just as lean and shredded. And thats a fact. IM not a Ph.D myself but my doctor is. Ask your doctor the same question and he will give you the same answer.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Lol, Im so tired of this


Nobody's saying the NBA player will have the amount of muscle mass as the bodybuilder. Why don't you understand that?
Ok? thats not my point.


We're saying at 3%BF, the NBA player will still have the same vascularity and leanness as the bodybuilder although he'll have less muscle mass.

dude that is not a goddamn fact. wtf. Show me proof that the NBA player has to look a certain way.


How is it an opinion? It's science. The picture is the evidence. It's not an opinion.
lol, your interpretation of the picture is the opinion. Science??? The picture is just a picture.



The reason we're using bodybuilders is because they're pretty much the only athletes or humans that get as lean as 3%BF or less.
Or more like, its the only way you can continue this argument, is some pictures of bodybuilders. There is proof of other people being 3%bf. You're claiming there isn't. You are WRONG.



Everyone's already provided articles saying that you need a certain amount of fat for basic functions. You yourself said that bodybuilders can only be that lean for one contest and basketball players can't maintain that. You proved our point right there.
Those articles state nothing but averages for average people. NBA players are an elite group of athletes.



I can't come up with another example because bodybuilders are the only one that have such a low bodyfat%...whats so hard to understand?
Right according to you, but not published info from the Nba. Your whole argument is based on a false assumption.


And im not saying NBA players should look like bodybuilders to have such a low BF%. Im saying they should look just as lean and shredded. And thats a fact. IM not a Ph.D myself but my doctor is.
When you say a statement, and within that statement you use the word SHOULD, then you are not stating a FACT. Just because something SHOULD be a certain way does not mean it will be that way EVERY TIME. Do you not understand this? I don't know how many ways I have already explained. It should rain tomorrow. NOT A FACT. You should get raped in prison. MAYBE YOU WONT. That black guy should have a big dick. THATS A WOMAN.

[boozehound]

Lol, Im so tired of this


Ok? thats not my point.

dude that is not a goddamn fact. wtf. Show me proof that the NBA player has to look a certain way.

lol, your interpretation of the picture is the opinion. Science??? The picture is just a picture.


Or more like, its the only way you can continue this argument, is some pictures of bodybuilders. There is proof of other people being 3%bf. You're claiming there isn't. You are WRONG.


Those articles state nothing but averages for average people. NBA players are an elite group of athletes.



Right according to you, but not published info from the Nba. Your whole argument is based on a false assumption.

When you say a statement, and within that statement you use the word SHOULD, then you are not stating a FACT. Just because something SHOULD be a certain way does not mean it will be that way EVERY TIME. Do you not understand this? I don't know how many ways I have already explained. It should rain tomorrow. NOT A FACT. You should get raped in prison. MAYBE YOU WONT. That black guy should have a big dick. THATS A WOMAN.
you are a ****ing idiot.

[Phong]

What's the point of arguing with an idiot who thinks that NBA players are so elite that their body fat % is way lower than any athletes from others sports including high endurance sports.

NBA players are so elite that they easily maintain a 3% body fat all year round, and if they wanted too, they could easily go lower than 3%.. 2%, 1% or even 0% if they were starving themselves or running a f_cking marathon.

NBA players don't need essential body fat, they don't need any fat for their organs or immune system to function. The average joe might need essential fats, but NBA players who have much higher metabolisms they don't need it.

NBA players are so elite that even when the best measuring equipement measure your body fat with a 2-3% margin of error the NBA give you super accurate and undeniable numbers like 2.7%. That's how elite they are. :applause:

Aaron Brooks and Dahntay Jones are so f_cking elite. :applause:

[inclinerator]

What's the point of arguing with an idiot who thinks that NBA players are so elite that their body fat % is way lower than any athletes from others sports including high endurance sports.

NBA players are so elite that they easily maintain a 3% body fat all year round, and if they wanted too, they could easily go lower than 3%.. 2%, 1% or even 0% if they were starving themselves or running a f_cking marathon.

NBA players don't need essential body fat, they don't need any fat for their organs or immune system to function. The average joe might need essential fats, but NBA players who have much higher metabolisms they don't need it.

NBA players are so elite that even when the best measuring equipement measure your body fat with a 2-3% margin of error the NBA give you super accurate and undeniable numbers like 2.7%. That's how elite they are. :applause:

Aaron Brooks and Dahntay Jones are so f_cking elite. :applause:
:applause:

[OhNoTimNoSho]

What's the point of arguing with an idiot who thinks that NBA players are so elite that their body fat % is way lower than any athletes from others sports including high endurance sports.

NBA players are so elite that they easily maintain a 3% body fat all year round, and if they wanted too, they could easily go lower than 3%.. 2%, 1% or even 0% if they were starving themselves or running a f_cking marathon.

NBA players don't need essential body fat, they don't need any fat for their organs or immune system to function. The average joe might need essential fats, but NBA players who have much higher metabolisms they don't need it.

NBA players are so elite that even when the best measuring equipement measure your body fat with a 2-3% margin of error the NBA give you super accurate and undeniable numbers like 2.7%. That's how elite they are. :applause:

Aaron Brooks and Dahntay Jones are so f_cking elite. :applause:
No offense dude, but your just not comprehending what I'm saying. I'm tired of trying to repeat the same thing like a 100 different ways. Why is it so shocking that Aaron brooks, probably the skinniest and smallest guy in the L, could have an unusually low body fat% and still be ok? i dunno man, i give up.