N.W.A. = The worst thing to happen to hip-hop culture

[Go Getter]

**Besides out-of-touch record execs, lol.**

Why do I say this?

Because N.W.A was the biggest bunch of posers ever to 'bless the mic."

See CB4 starring Chris Rock....they totally smashed N.W.A. in that flick lol.

Getting down to the issue I feel like N.W.A. gave a false impression to the masses about blacks and what being from the hood entails.

After N.W.A. everyone wanted to claim a hood and make sure that where they lived had a rep like Compton had. Every rapper wanted to be 'hard.'

This false portrayal had urban white kids thinking that blacks really condoned this behavior and had black kids believing that the only way to be heard as a rapper or respected as a person was to be 'gangster.'

Now, as we all know, NWA was anything but gangster. Eazy-E was a petty dope dealer...that's about all. Dre came from a good home and so did Ice Cube. Ren and Yella? Well who cares.

Furthermore, they are the poster children for young rap groups being duped by shady lawyers and record execs. Dr. Dre lost millions to all kinds of folks until he finally realized [I guess] how to operate in the music biz. Eazy-E took advantage of his friends and berated those who were key to his success.

In my eyes they made some okay music but the bigger picture was that they were frauds and related to the lowest common denominator.....teens and dimwits.

[dough]

"Getting down to the issue I feel like N.W.A. gave a false impression to the masses about blacks and what being from the hood entails."

Does one group make a race? It's not NWA's fault that people tend to generalize.

[Go Getter]

"Getting down to the issue I feel like N.W.A. gave a false impression to the masses about blacks and what being from the hood entails."

Does one group make a race? It's not NWA's fault that people tend to generalize.


You are correct.

Some things shouldn't be but they are.

I have a friend from belize that said before the movie 'colors' there were no gangs in belize. After the movie kids were playing and taking up sides, blue vs. red. Weeks later they were shooting at each other.

It is their [NWA's] fault for promoting a false image to the masses though.

[dough]

You are correct.

Some things shouldn't be but they are.

I have a friend from belize that said before the movie 'colors' there were no gangs in belize. After the movie kids were playing and taking up sides, blue vs. red. Weeks later they were shooting at each other.

It is their [NWA's] fault for promoting a false image to the masses though.

If somebody shoots another man after watching goodfellas, do we blame DeNiro or the man with the gun?

[Go Getter]

If somebody shoots another man after watching goodfellas, do we blame Al Pacino or the man with the gun?

I see where you're going and I don't take responsibilty away from individuals, but in the same breath violent images, 'cool' trends, and sensationalized stories tend to attract the youth.

My point was that NWA had a harmful impact on hip-hop culture.

[JtotheIzzo]

so you are letting Ice T, The Geto Boys and Schooly D off the hook?

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Posers? Wow Op is a idiot

[Go Getter]

so you are letting Ice T, The Geto Boys and Schooly D off the hook?


1. The Geto Boys actually infused some positive messages in their songs.

2. If the groups acts you stated had as big of a cultural impact as NWA I might have made the thread about them.

[JtotheIzzo]

1. The Geto Boys actually infused some positive messages in their songs.

2. If the groups acts you stated had as big of a cultural impact as NWA I might have made the thread about them.


NWA positivity >>> Geto Boys positivity

[Go Getter]

Posers? Wow Op is a idiot


Yes posers, fake gangsters, exaggeraters, liars, whatever you want to call it.

I tried to use a term ISH would understand.

Do you agree or disagree?

[Go Getter]

NWA positivity >>> Geto Boys positivity


Please state facts.

And also, as I said earlier, if Geto Boys had as big of a cultural impact as NWA then maybe the thread would have been about them.

Schooly D? C'mon man you can do better than that.

[JtotheIzzo]

Please state facts.

Express Yourself?

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Yes posers, fake gangsters, exaggeraters, liars, whatever you want to call it.

I tried to use a term ISH would understand.

Do you agree or disagree?
Eazy E is a well known crip who grew up in compton
Ice cube grew up in south central LA
Dj Yella is from compton
Mc ren is from compton
Dre is from compton
You think they stayed in the house and just recorded music all day
:oldlol: @ being posers
Thats when compton was the worst city in the us

[Go Getter]

Eazy E is a well known crip who grew up in compton
Ice cube grew up in south central LA
Dj Yella is from compton
Mc ren is from compton
Dre is from compton
You think they stayed in the house and just recorded music all day
:oldlol: @ being posers
Thats when compton was the worst city in the us


Dr. Dre's parents are well to do....in the NWA documentary his own crew calls him a punk and talks about him getting shot at, suffering a flesh wound, and acting like a punk.

None of those cats were criminals at all.

I'm from the south side of Chicago and I am definitely NOT gangster...being from Compton doesn't make you a gangster.....see the attitude that you are expressing right now is exactly what I'm talking about.

"Oh they grew up in Compton so they must be gangsters/gang affiliated."

Gangsters don't get on the mic and confess to what they are doing.

Myer Lansky, Jeff Fort, Larry Hoover, Angelo Roberts....those are real gangsters.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bill Cosby has gone public with a similar viewpoint and taken a fair amount of heat for it. I think that he is partly right and that the idealized and romanticized tone that hustling on the street has taken is partly the blame of a culture that has been too influenced by what is essentially an act (most gangsta rap).

Still, the problems that exist in the inner city have more to blame than just the music being pumped out of speakers. Some of the problems are internal, some external.

Here is one of Cosby's rants that got him into some hot water...

[QUOTE=Cliff Huckstable]They

[Go Getter]

Express Yourself?


The World is a Ghetto?

[lefthook00]

LA was f*cking crazyyyyyyy during that time. I'm glad they represented the angry urban youth, and shed light on the injustices against minorities and the poor. Fake or not, they were the voices of a lot of people that couldn't be heard. And they did it like no one else could. Groundbreaking. Legendary.

The gang scene was already wild with the the poverty, racism, fall of the last of the Black Panther affiliates and the rise of crack. They were banned from the radio, police would not cooperate at their shows, they got threats from the FBI, yet they still sold like 10 million in the US. That means that they had the balls to say what a LOT of people were already thinking.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Dr. Dre's parents are well to do....in the NWA documentary his own crew calls him a punk and talks about him getting shot at, suffering a flesh wound, and acting like a punk.

None of those cats were criminals at all.

I'm from the south side of Chicago and I am definitely NOT gangster.

Gangsters don't get on the mic and confess to what they are doing.

Myer Lansky, Jeff Fort, Larry Hoover, Angelo Roberts....those are gangsters.
How did he get shot at? Studying? Dudes are hood man
Compton back then is on a whole another level from southside chi.
You would get killed by just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Police couldnt even control the gang violence. And look up an Eazye Documenary the guy was a crip from when he was in his pre-teens. Obviously their not no leader of no gang hahha. Their just some gang affiliated hoodlums

[Go Getter]

Bill Cosby has gone public with a similar viewpoint and taken a fair amount of heat for it. I think that he is partly right and that the idealized and romanticized tone that hustling on the street has taken is partly the blame of a culture that has been too influenced by what is essentially an act (most gangsta rap).

Still, the problems that exist in the inner city have more to blame than just the music being pumped out of speakers. Some of the problems are internal, some external.

Here is one of Cosby's rants that got him into some hot water...



http://pufone.org/blog/bill-cosbys-rant/


My problem with Cosby is that when blacks really needed his voice he was peddling pudding pops and trying to be non-offensive....[while comics like Paul Mooney and Dolomite were speaking and protesting with Dr. King].

I agree that our problems are much MUCH more than music...I don't think music is even in the discussion.

[Go Getter]

Yes you can tell dre is the softest character.
Compton back then is on a whole another level from southside chi.
You would get killed by just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Police couldnt even control the gang violence. And look up an Eazye Documenary the guy was a crip from when he was in his pre-teens. Obviously their not no leader of no gang hahha. Their just some gang affiliated hoodlums


What are you talking about?

Compton is on a whole other level than Chicago?

Chicago is the birthplace of African American gangs....Compton looked worse by comparison because of their small population size and because after NWA cats wanted to hold up that 'tough image.'

I wouldn't even call them a hoodlums [did they have criminal records before NWA?]. He was on the world class wrecking crew before NWA and he looked like a back up dancer for Parliment.

Everyone in the ghetto is gang affiliated....doesn't make you a gangster.

[Go Getter]

LA was f*cking crazyyyyyyy during that time. I'm glad they represented the angry urban youth, and shed light on the injustices against minorities and the poor. Fake or not, they were the voices of a lot of people that couldn't be heard. And they did it like no one else could. Groundbreaking. Legendary.

The gang scene was already wild with the the poverty, racism, fall of the last of the Black Panther affiliates and the rise of crack. They were banned from the radio, police would not cooperate at their shows, they got threats from the FBI, yet they still sold like 10 million in the US. That means that they had the balls to say what a LOT of people were already thinking.


represented the angry urban youth?

Where was the song about gentrification? underfunded school systems? economic exploitation?

I must have missed them.

I did hear songs about selling drugs to and killing our own people though.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

What are you talking about?

Compton is on a whole other level than Chicago?

Chicago is the birthplace of African American gangs....Compton looked worse by comparison because of their small population size and because after NWA cats wanted to hold up that 'tough image.'

I wouldn't even call them a hoodlums [did they have criminal records before NWA?]. He was on the world class wrecking crew before NWA and he looked like a back up dancer for Parliment.

Everyone in the ghetto is gang affiliated....doesn't make you a gangster.
Man your indenial. Posting on ish in southside chicago isnt the same as posted on the block with ya homies getting into sh*t. Your pretty safe in their buddy. And Gangs all started in LA so try again. Lol @ NWA being posers. The FBI was trying to take them down.
But keep posting in your nice furnished house thinking they were fake :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Go Getter]

How did he get shot at? Studying? Dudes are hood man



He got shot after he was in NWA.


And kids got shot at Columbine....does that make them 'hood?'

[CeoTypeDoe619]

He got shot after he was in NWA.


And kids got shot at Columbine....does that make them 'hood?'
Yeah because its a everyday thing where suburb kids get shot at school :oldlol:
Go google the death rate in compton during that time. Handful of people getting killed by the day.

[~primetime~]

Even though CB4 did mock the "straight outta Compton" video and song I don't think they intended to mock NWA themselves...

infact if I remember correctly, Ice Cube had a small cameo appearance, as well as Ice-T and a few others...


also, there are a few rappers that did/do hustle (gangstas, lol) and do rap about their real life experiences...I don't believe in the idea that "real gangstas don't talk about what they do"...

[RedBlackAttack]

My problem with Cosby is that when blacks really needed his voice he was peddling pudding pops and trying to be non-offensive....[while comics like Paul Mooney and Dolomite were speaking and protesting with Dr. King].
I don't think you can blame Cosby for not having a political routine or devoting his act to these issues. That just wasn't his comedic talent. Pryor and Mooney had that area pretty well covered.

Cosby spent much of his time not on the stage devoted to funding positive projects for black culture, giving a lot of his money to positive organizations for which he has received countless awards. I think he even provided funding for the Malcolm X movie.

He also has no problem speaking his mind on the state of the culture that has destroyed many inner cities. Opening up the dialogue is never a bad thing. We can't simply shut our eyes and pretend that everything is fine.

I don't agree with everything that he said, but I commend him for taking a stand.


I agree that our problems are much MUCH more than music...I don't think music is even in the discussion.
I won't say that it isn't in the discussion. I think that the music reflects some of what is happening, but I also can't help but to wonder if these guys who are treated as role models (sometimes the only male role models in these kids' lives) plays a serious role in what has happened over the last 25 years.

I'm not ready to designate it the absolute reason for the problems, but I don't think that it has helped things.

[Go Getter]

Man your indenial. Posting on ish in southside chicago isnt the same as posted on the block with ya homies getting into sh*t. Your pretty safe in their buddy. And Gangs all started in LA so try again. Lol @ NWA being posers. The FBI was trying to take them down.
But keep posting in your nice furnished house thinking they were fake :oldlol: :oldlol:


Man do you even know about the El Rukens and Vice Lords? A.A. gangs started in Chicago after the great migration of blacks from the south to Chicago.

I am pretty safe because I don't choose to do stupid shit to prove I'm hard.

I lost my younger brother and two of my cousins to gang violence man that life holds no glory for me.

The FBI investigates anyone who goes on record threatening the police or public officials.....whoop-de-doo...

[CeoTypeDoe619]

This guy is a scrub thinking CB4 were insulting NWA
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Man do you even know about the El Rukens and Vice Lords? A.A. gangs started in Chicago after the great migration of blacks from the south to Chicago.

I am pretty safe because I don't choose to do stupid shit to prove I'm hard.

I lost my younger brother and two of my cousins to gang violence man that life holds no glory for me.

The FBI investigates anyone who goes on record threatening the police or public officials.....whoop-de-doo...
Oh. Theirs motive behind this thread. Understandable. Your right i was wrong

[Go Getter]

...I don't believe in the idea that "real gangstas don't talk about what they do"...


I do. [as far as on a record]

You'd never catch Al Capone saying "I got that moonshine."

[RedBlackAttack]

But keep posting in your nice furnished house thinking they were fake
This is an attitude I don't quite understand. Why is it so important that these guys actually participated in killing people and selling drugs for the music to have resonance or to get a message out?

The fact that Nas observed what was happening around him and scribbled in his notebook is part of what makes him a positive force in rap music. Considering what is talked about in much of rap, being a 'poser' is a good thing.

[lefthook00]

The first step to fixing a problem is recognizing it, and they did that on a national scale. What happened next happened next. They were the catalyst.

I think there was 0% more gang banging b/c of N.W.A. The type of kids they "inspired" were kids just like them, who lived in a bad neighborhood, but weren't real gangsters, but wanted to be cool and go a little harder. You become a banger b/c you're born poor without proper education/resources, no positivity what-so-ever around you at any time during the day, you're hungry as f*ck, you get sh*t on, need protection, your mom/dad is crip, or your brother/sister/cousin/homie is. You don't become a banger from listening to a CD. It may help perpetuate the lifestyle of people who are already thugs, but it's not converting non gangsters into gangsters.

[Go Getter]

This guy is a scrub thinking CB4 were insulting NWA
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Straight Outta Low Cash wasn't a dig on NWA?

The main character [Chris Rock] came from a good home much like Dre did.

[Go Getter]

The first step to fixing a problem is recognizing it, and they did that on a national scale. What happened next happened next. They were the catalyst.

I think there was 0% more gang banging b/c of N.W.A. The type of kids they "inspired" were kids just like them, who lived in a bad neighborhood, but weren't real gangsters, but wanted to be cool and go a little harder. You become a banger b/c you're born poor without proper education/resources, no positivity what-so-ever around you at any time during the day, you're hungry as f*ck, you get sh*t on, need protection, your mom/dad is crip, or your brother/sister/cousin/homie is. You don't become a banger from listening to a CD. It may help perpetuate the lifestyle of people who are already thugs, but it's not converting non gangsters into gangsters.


I met a white guy from Connecticut that claims GD....and he got that from where?

Where was their plan to fix things? What steps did they take to explain the situation blacks were in? Because what I heard was them glorifying gang life.

[~primetime~]

I
I won't say that it isn't in the discussion. I think that the music reflects some of what is happening, but I also can't help but to wonder if these guys who are treated as role models (sometimes the only male role models in these kids' lives) plays a serious role in what has happened over the last 25 years.

I'm not ready to designate it the absolute reason for the problems, but I don't think that it has helped things.
gangsta rap made everyone at my high school act like gangstas...including myself...

ask Dooms...

someone got killed by gun fire every single year we went there...

alot of out freinds packed...I had a gun...it was very common to see red rags hanging out of pockets...and some blue

and alot of these people were upper middle white kids...

some of them I know are in jail now, and some are dead, and some "grew up"...like me

it was very similiar to the movie 'Alpha Dog"...that movie reminds me of how me and Dooms grew up...

and I can say without hesitation that alot of it was kids following gangsta rap music, which was at its absolute peak while we were in school...the mid 90s

[Go Getter]

This is an attitude I don't quite understand. Why is it so important that these guys actually participated in killing people and selling drugs for the music to have resonance or to get a message out?

The fact that Nas observed what was happening around him and scribbled in his notebook is part of what makes him a positive force in rap music. Considering what is talked about in much of rap, being a 'poser' is a good thing.


Saying you observed this and that from your window and representing a disruptive and deadly force in the community is something totally different.

[lefthook00]

represented the angry urban youth?

Where was the song about gentrification? underfunded school systems? economic exploitation?

I must have missed them.

I did hear songs about selling drugs to and killing our own people though.

They were in the mindset of a thug when making music. They used a different angle, brought the same topics to light. Are you saying their music didn't spark national debate about gentrification? Underfunded school systems? Economic exploitation?

[dough]

gangsta rap made everyone at my high school act like gangstas...including myself...

ask Dooms...

someone got killed by gun fire every single year we went there...

alot of out freinds packed...I had a gun...it was very common to see red rags hanging out of pockets...and some blue

and alot of these people were upper middle white kids...

some of them I know are in jail now, and some are dead, and some "grew up"...like me

it was very similiar to the movie 'Alpha Dog"...that movie reminds me of how me and Dooms grew up...

and I can say without hesitation that alot of it was kids following gangsta rap music, which was at its absolute peak while we were in school...the mid 90s

We all know you both are influenced quite easy.

[Go Getter]

gangsta rap made everyone at my high school act like gangstas...including myself...

ask Dooms...

someone got killed by gun fire every single year we went there...

alot of out freinds packed...I had a gun...it was very common to see red rags hanging out of pockets...and some blue

and alot of these people were upper middle white kids...

some of them I know are in jail now, and some are dead, and some "grew up"...like me

it was very similiar to the movie 'Alpha Dog"...that movie reminds me of how me and Dooms grew up...

and I can say without hesitation that alot of it was kids following gangsta rap music, which was at its absolute peak while we were in school...the mid 90s


See what I mean?

[Go Getter]

We all know you both are influenced quite easy.
ZING!

[~primetime~]

I do. [as far as on a record]

You'd never catch Al Capone saying "I got that moonshine."
Freddy Gibbs hustled coke all the way up through age 28 and just started rapping later in life about it...from Gary Indiana

he is a rarity I think in gangsta rap, but they are out there...

[~primetime~]

We all know you both are influenced quite easy.
everyone was...

"KIDS" are infuenced very easy...

[Go Getter]

They were in the mindset of a thug when making music. They used a different angle, brought the same topics to light. Are you saying their music didn't spark national debate about gentrification? Underfunded school systems? Economic exploitation?


'The Message' did the same thing....but I will agree that they did shed light on some unsavory things....while promoting them.

[Go Getter]

Freddy Gibbs hustled coke all the way up through age 28 and just started rapping later in life about it...from Gary Indiana

he is a rarity I think in gangsta rap, but they are out there...

fair enough.

Me personally I know some drug dealers and they are a very paranoid bunch....telling millions that you have dope and money is not a part of the business.

Hustling coke for a while to stay fed is different than being Frank Lucas though.

[RedBlackAttack]

gangsta rap made everyone at my high school act like gangstas...including myself...

ask Dooms...

someone got killed by gun fire every single year we went there...

alot of out freinds packed...I had a gun...it was very common to see red rags hanging out of pockets...and some blue

and alot of these people were upper middle white kids...

some of them I know are in jail now, and some are dead, and some "grew up"...like me

it was very similiar to the movie 'Alpha Dog"...that movie reminds me of how me and Dooms grew up...

and I can say without hesitation that alot of it was kids following gangsta rap music, which was at its absolute peak while we were in school...the mid 90s
I hear you. We were coming up around the same time. I've told the story many, many times on here (I think), but when I was in middle school, Wu-Tang basically took over my entire town.

We are talking about a small city in eastern Ohio of around 18,000 people and they basically moved here and raised hell (RZA has close family ties to Steubenville). There were multiple killings a week for a while, as the Wu contingent (known as 'The Godz' back then) clashed with the local dealers and thugs. It was completely insane.

So, I can safely say that I had an up-close and personal view of gangsta rappers 'keeping it real' and there is nothing phony about that particular collection of artists and associates. It wasn't pretty.

But, I guess that is for a different thread. I have so many stories that would blow minds...

From the Village Voice...

In what may or may not turn out to be an amazing coincidence, the Wu are reportedly at the same time the subject of a federal gunrunning probe, sparked by two murders of Wu-Tang associates involving weapons purchased near the Clan's compound in Steubenville, Ohio.

Link (http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-05-23/news/wu-tang-clan-is-sumthing-ta-****-wit/)

[Go Getter]

Rappers come to Chicago and the gang banger put em in check and make them turn their hats straight.

I did however see Wu-Tang in Roseland, Chicago back in the day which is almost unheard of.

[Go Getter]

SIDENOTE: I can understand cats from LA/the Ghetto being able to put NWA in the proper perspective but for suburban kids it wasn't that easy it seems.

[~primetime~]

fair enough.

Me personally I know some drug dealers and they are a very paranoid bunch....telling millions that you have dope and money is not a part of the business.

Hustling coke for a while to stay fed is different than being Frank Lucas though.
imo the "real gangstas" are the small timers out there hustlin little coke baggies...the Frank Lucas's of the world are one in a million...

the small timers are the ones that have to deal with f*ckin gun fights...and just dealing with shady ass dudes all damn day...people that will cut your throat over the $50 you owe them...

the ones I know are also paranoid as hell, but I'll be damned if they don't glorify the shit when I'm having drinks with them...

[RedBlackAttack]

Rappers come to Chicago and the gang banger put em in check and make them turn their hats straight.

I don't doubt it. We've also had an influx of Chicago gun and drug runners over the years. For some reason, my hometown was a magnet for criminals from around the country. It probably has something to do with the fact that it is basically a suburb of Pittsburgh, a short drive from Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati, and relatively close to Philly and New York.

It isn't like Ghostface and RZA were out there shooting people every weekend, but they were supplying this force of associates from New York who really were nothing to f#ck with.

[Go Getter]

imo the "real gangstas" are the small timers out there hustlin little coke baggies...the Frank Lucas's of the world are one in a million...

the small timers are the ones that have to deal with f*ckin gun fights...and just dealing with shady ass dudes all damn day...people that will cut your throat over the $50 you owe them...

the ones I know are also paranoid as hell, but I'll be damned if they don't glorify the shit when I'm having drinks with them...


Glorifying at the bar =/= getting on record like Young Jeezy and saying "I got them for 17-5."

[~primetime~]

I hear you. We were coming up around the same time. I've told the story many, many times on here (I think), but when I was in middle school, Wu-Tang basically took over my entire town.

We are talking about a small city in eastern Ohio of around 18,000 people and they basically moved here and raised hell (RZA has close family ties to Steubenville). There were multiple killings a week for a while, as the Wu contingent (known as 'The Godz' back then) clashed with the local dealers and thugs. It was completely insane.

So, I can safely say that I had an up-close and personal view of gangsta rappers 'keeping it real' and there is nothing phony about that particular collection of artists and associates. It wasn't pretty.

But, I guess that is for a different thread. I have so many stories that would blow minds...

From the Village Voice...


http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-05-23/news/wu-tang-clan-is-sumthing-ta-****-wit/
yeah I remember that thread...

the Wu started "real" I think except for maybe 'Prince Rakeem" and "The Genius"...of maybe they were too, IDK

there is no question that Old Dirty was actually crazy...like literally had something wrong with him...

i believe I read that at first alot of people thought that Old Dirty was just living out his character, but then they went on to realize that he wasn't acting, he had something wrong with him...

[~primetime~]

Glorifying at the bar =/= getting on record like Young Jeezy and saying "I got them for 17-5."
yeah no doubt there are a ton of fakers out there...I won't argue that at all

http://www.shoptradition.com/store/blog/uploaded_images/freddie_gibbs_urb1-793929.jpg


^^^ he spent almost all his 20s hustlin coke...and just got into rap later...

you ever see him all BLING BLINGed out...or in a Bently...or "makin it rain"...

he doesn't do that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_q-kZLieU

^^^ him freestylin

he is pretty good too...

[Go Getter]

I don't think you can blame Cosby for not having a political routine or devoting his act to these issues. That just wasn't his comedic talent. Pryor and Mooney had that area pretty well covered.

Cosby spent much of his time not on the stage devoted to funding positive projects for black culture, giving a lot of his money to positive organizations for which he has received countless awards. I think he even provided funding for the Malcolm X movie.

He also has no problem speaking his mind on the state of the culture that has destroyed many inner cities. Opening up the dialogue is never a bad thing. We can't simply shut our eyes and pretend that everything is fine.

I don't agree with everything that he said, but I commend him for taking a stand.


I won't say that it isn't in the discussion. I think that the music reflects some of what is happening, but I also can't help but to wonder if these guys who are treated as role models (sometimes the only male role models in these kids' lives) plays a serious role in what has happened over the last 25 years.

I'm not ready to designate it the absolute reason for the problems, but I don't think that it has helped things.


I can blame him...he is reprehensible in this case. Blacks are being beaten and hosed down and attacked by dogs but you keep quiet....but then after you have a case for sexual misconduct you come out with a slew of town hall meetings talking about vernacular and paying for over priced sneakers [which is funny because everyone buys bootlegs now]?

[RedBlackAttack]

yeah I remember that thread...

the Wu started "real" I think except for maybe 'Prince Rakeem" and "The Genius"...of maybe they were too, IDK

there is no question that Old Dirty was actually crazy...like literally had something wrong with him...

i believe I read that at first alot of people thought that Old Dirty was just living out his character, but then they went on to realize that he wasn't acting, he had something wrong with him...
Yeah... The guys that were absolutely not involved in what happened here (that I know of) were Method Man and GZA.

Here is another snippet I ran into...


First post, but I've viewed this site for some time. I'll post here because I had ties to Steubenville in the late 90s and early 2000s. While it's true that The "Wu" didn't all orginate from Steubenville, the Steubenville connection is more than just "some affiliates".

For one, the RZA, the mastermind of the Wu-Tang Clan, is from Steubenville. RZA was the subject of a shooting in the 'Ville in 1991, two years before Wu Tangs 36 Chambers album dropped. As of the early 2000s, his mom still lived in the 'Ville.

Also, 4th Disciple is from Steubenville. He layed down the track "B.I.B.L.E." off the Genius' first album (Liquid Swords). He also produced most of Killaramy's tracks. Killaramy is the group Beretta 9 was with. Beretta was from Steubenville. Shogun Assassain, another member of the group, was also from Steubenville. From what I remember, he grew up in the projects just east of downtown (I think that's east) off of Lincoln Ave.

But the ties to the group were deeper than just that. A Steubenville cat by the name of Wise was a friend of the Wu. From what I know, Wise was part of a gun-running operation between Steubenville and Staten Island. Wise was an "unofficial" member of the Wu. The Wu also had a place outside of town where they would shoot target practice. Anyway, Wise, who was in the "Gods" gang (which was the Wu's allies), was murdered in Steubenville by some crips in the late 90s (97-98). At the time, there were three gangs in the 'Ville, the Gods, Crips, and Bloods. The Gods and the Bloods had an allegiance against the Crips.

A couple of weeks later, a couple of Crips were shot in retaliation. It was the Gods and the Bloods responsible, though I don't think anybody was ever charged. A couple of Crips were charged with Wise's death however.

Things have died down recently, but what I just wrote is another chapter in the Stuebenville, tough town, image. Regardless, F' Reno, Steubenville is the biggest small town in America.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1741.10;imode

[Go Getter]

Nuff respect, but please don't turn this into a Wu-tang/Steubenville thread.

[lefthook00]

You know, regardless of it's social impact, gangster rap is my favorite. It's just better imo. Most of the best to ever do it in hip hop are gangster rappers.

[RedBlackAttack]

Nuff respect, but please don't turn this into a Wu-tang/Steubenville thread.
Oh... Definitely not. Sorry about that. Just thought Prime was interested. I also don't think that it is anything to be proud of. Just interesting.

But, getting back on topic...

[~primetime~]

wow that is hard to believe about the RZA...

he started like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDT8OOkS_dc

alot of people say that for the RZA to get his foot in the door he was forced to "sell out to the man" like that though...so there is no telling

same with "The Genius"...before he was the GZA he had some pretty silly shit out...

but yeah, maybe they were just trying to escape...and they did what they had to do...

[Go Getter]

Hey I enjoy gangster rap as much as the next rap fan but I take it for what it is.....some people look at it as a mirror to the places where black live and I get frustrated with that because rappers tend to not tell the whole story and they aren't the most qualified people to represent us as a people.


But folks line up to let them sell them a lifestyle no matter how silly it is.

[Go Getter]

wow that is hard to believe about the RZA...

he started like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDT8OOkS_dc

alot of people say that for the RZA to get his foot in the door he was forced to "sell out to the man" like that though...so there is no telling

same with "The Genius"...before he was the GZA he had some pretty silly shit out...

but yeah, maybe they were just trying to escape...and they did what they had to do...


Exactly what NWA did imo.

[~primetime~]

You know, regardless of it's social impact, gangster rap is my favorite. It's just better imo. Most of the best to ever do it in hip hop are gangster rappers.
agree 100%

it might be because I grew up during it's prime...but I have a very difficult time getting into "freindly rap"...or whatever yo uwant to call the other stuff (lots of different types, from booty shakin bs, to stuff like Common)

gangsta rap is just much more entertaining to me...

[RedBlackAttack]

agree 100%

it might be because I grew up during it's prime...but I have a very difficult time getting into "freindly rap"...or whatever yo uwant to call the other stuff (lots of different types, from booty shakin bs, to stuff like Common)

gangsta rap is just much more entertaining to me...
I am conflicted on the genre. A lot of excellent music came out of the gangsta rap explosion in the early to mid-90s. It was the best period in rap's short life, imo.

At the same time, as we talked about earlier, I'm not sure that it served the communities all that well at the time or in the ensuing years. I don't like blaming the musicians, because problems are often a hell of a lot more complex than people who like to blame Columbine on Marilyn Manson would like to admit. The listeners need to take responsibility for their own actions.

But, the glorification of street life may have resulted in a mix-up of priorities and a loss of identity.

Is it better to shine a light on the problems, as some rappers successfully did, and explain what is happening in the inner city to those that aren't privy to what is really going on or did it become too much glorification and too little about solving the problems? There is a balance that must be taken into consideration and things started to get a little out of hand.

[plowking]

Man your indenial. Posting on ish in southside chicago isnt the same as posted on the block with ya homies getting into sh*t. Your pretty safe in their buddy. And Gangs all started in LA so try again. Lol @ NWA being posers. The FBI was trying to take them down.
But keep posting in your nice furnished house thinking they were fake :oldlol: :oldlol:

How old are you?

You must be dumb as dog sh!t if you think the FBI wastes its time on a music group, and for what? Saying things...

It's the music industry. You bring a persona to the table which you believe will sell. Clearly N.W.A.'s strategy worked at the time.

[Go Getter]

How old are you?

You must be dumb as dog sh!t if you think the FBI wastes its time on a music group, and for what? Saying things...

It's the music industry. You bring a persona to the table which you believe will sell. Clearly N.W.A.'s strategy worked at the time.


Naw man you're wrong NWA was real gangsters that were on the FBI's most wanted list for sticking to the man on the mic and wasting punk ******* on the streets!

[phoenix18]

Are we going to pretend that the stuff they were rapping about wasnt happening right in front of them?

[Go Getter]

Are we going to pretend that the stuff they were rapping about wasnt happening right in front of them?


Your point is?

[phoenix18]

Your point is?
That's my point. NWA didnt do anything other than describe life in their neighborhood. They were dropping knowledge on tracks too. If people would listen to what Ice Cube had to say, maybe they wouldnt be calling it the worst thing to happen to hip-hop culture.

[Go Getter]

That's my point. NWA didnt do anything other than describe life in their neighborhood. They were dropping knowledge on tracks too. If people would listen to what Ice Cube had to say, maybe they wouldnt be calling it the worst thing to happen to hip-hop culture.


"Here's a little story bout a ***** like me,
never should have been let out the penetentary
Ice Cube, would like to say
That I'm a crazy MFer from around the way
Since I was a youth,
I smoked weed out
Now I'm the MFer that you read about,
taking a life or two that's what the hell I do,
You don't like how I'm living well **** you
This is a gang, and I'm in it,
My homie Dre will **** you up in a minute
With a right, left, right, left, you're toothless
And then you say gotdamn they ruthless
Everywhere we go they say
DAMN!
N-W-A's ****ing up the program,
and then you realize we don't care,
we just don't say no,
we too busy saying YEEEEEAAAAH!
About Drinkin', straight out the 8 bottle,
Do I look like a mother****ing role model?
To a kid looking up to me...life ain't nothing but ******* and money"

**done from my memory...no cut and paste no peeking btw**

:rolleyes:

Whooooooooo boy did he drop some knowledge on that one!


To his credit though Cube has matured and grown over the years, but was he dropping knowledge in his NWA days? Methinks not.


"Used to be bloodthirsty, Mr. Mister contraversy
now I wanna beg for mercy,
Should have took my ass to Berkley"

-Ice Cube

[phoenix18]

"Here's a little story bout a ***** like me,
never should have been let out the penetentary
Ice Cube, would like to say
That I'm a crazy MFer from around the way
Since I was a youth,
I smoked weed out
Now I'm the MFer that you read about,
taking a life or two that's what the hell I do,
You don't like how I'm living well **** you
This is a gang, and I'm in it,
My homie Dre will **** you up in a minute
With a right, left, right, left, you're toothless
And then you say gotdamn they ruthless
Everywhere we go they say
DAMN!
N-W-A's ****ing up the program,
and then you realize we don't care,
we just don't say no,
we too busy saying YEEEEEAAAAH!
About Drinkin', straight out the 8 bottle,
Do I look like a mother****ing role model?
To a kid looking up to me...life ain't nothing but ******* and money"

**done from my memory...no cut and paste no peeking btw**

:rolleyes:

Whooooooooo boy did he drop some knowledge on that one!


To his credit though Cube has matured and grown over the years, but was he dropping knowledge in his NWA days? Methinks not.

"Used to be bloodthirsty, Mr. Mister contraversy
now I wanna beg for mercy,
Should have took my ass to Berkley"

-Ice Cube

Went over your head.

[Go Getter]

Went over your head.


No it didn't....lol...you pointed out one line as to say I didn't understand what he was saying....yet you missed my point.

I memorized that verse in grade school Cube was like the baddest man on earth.....but was that knowledge he was dropping?


Definitely not.

[phoenix18]

No it didn't....lol...you pointed out one line as to say I didn't understand what he was saying....yet you missed my point.

I memorized that verse in grade school Cube was like the baddest man on earth.....but was that knowledge he was dropping?


Definitely not.

Anyone can memorize song lyrics, what does that have to do with understanding them?

[Go Getter]

Anyone can memorize song lyrics, what does that have to do with understanding them?


I understand them...I tried to point out that my issue with NWA isn't personal I used to listen to them myself a bit.

I posted those lyrics in particular to show that Cube wasn't really dropping knowledge in his NWA days and you pointed to ONE line and said I don't understand it [without asking me what I thought he meant mind you].

Allow me to steer the debate back on course.

Please post lyrics of Cube in his NWA days where he is dropping knowledge.

IIRC he started 'dropping knowledge' AFTER he split with NWA.

[Go Getter]

Please note that my title is for inflammatory reasons only.

While I do think gangster rap was/is detrimental to black/hip-hop culture, I don't think NWA was the worst thing to happen to hip-hop.

[Rasheed1]

the problem isnt NWA.. the problem is the mindless copycat culture we live in... Posers or not, NWA was original.. The problem comes when everybody feels the need to mimic NWA either as wanna be gangstas or rappers...

If you blame NWA then you gotta also blame biggie and puff and 2pac, Jay too.

2pac got that thuglife stuff started...

Biggie & Puff and even Jay talk that cristal money cash hoes talk all day...

too many copycats is the problem

[Go Getter]

Get the f*ck out of here man. Don't hate on the Cos.


**** Bill Cosby and his pooding pop selling ass.

Paul Mooney FTW!

[Go Getter]

the problem isnt NWA.. the problem is the mindless copycat culture we live in... Posers or not, NWA was original.. The problem comes when everybody feels the need to mimic NWA either as wanna be gangstas or rappers...

If you blame NWA then you gotta also blame biggie and puff and 2pac, Jay too.

2pac got that thuglife stuff started...

Biggie & Puff and even Jay talk that cristal money cash hoes talk all day...

too many copycats is the problem


NWA was original in what way? Because they weren't the first to glorify gangs and violence in rap music.

One thing about Pac [before he lost his mind to paranoia] he made some very poignant songs about the hood and actually explained things in a manner that was intelligent.

Plus Pac wasn't bullshitting he was raised by a crackhead ex-panther and a political prisoner.

[Rasheed1]

NWA was original in what way? Because they weren't the first to glorify gangs and violence in rap music.


they were the 1st ones to put it together the way they did... Before them there was only schooly D and Ice T and a few others who did gangsta rap... NWA came along and instantly took everything to a whole new level... they were the standard by which other gangsta groups began to model themselves..



One thing about Pac [before he lost his mind to paranoia] he made some very poignant songs about the hood and actually explained things in a manner that was intelligent.

so what?:confusedshrug: he also started the thuglife stuff and had people trying to be thugs mostly because of him..

my point is that if we blame NWA for being the standard then we have to blame the other artists who were also pioneers.


Plus Pac wasn't bullshitting he was raised by a crackhead ex-panther and a political prisoner.

2pac wasnt the thug he claimed to be..... I have friends who went to school with 2pac & other people like jada pinkett in baltimore... Pac wasnt brolic like he made himself out to be...he wasnt a real thug :oldlol:

again, you cant blame the standard for being great... you have to blame the copy cats for not being original... 1 NWA is fine... 30 NWAs is not...

1 2pac is great.. having a million of them is where things go wrong

[JtotheIzzo]

this thread is fail on so many levels.

Aside from what I and a lot of other people posted before, it isn't just about NWA, OP probably wasn't around back in the day and has no concept of the landscape at the the time and the amount of acts that were rolling on a similar style.

The whole premise is flawed because if you are blaming NWA for being the act they were, you'd be wrong. You could just as easily blame adolescent w-iggas who drank the shit up like chocolate milk and made those albums as huge as they were. 95% of NWA records were bought by young white males, maybe we should blame them for showing the record company execs how to get rich.

The same shit happens today, why do you think Hip Hop is so down the toilet? Ask anyone trying to break in the game, they want you to be 50 Cent, if you ain't talking about gun play, spending cash foolishly or f*ckin hoes, you WON'T get a record deal. You can't spit 'Self Destruction' or any black awareness shit today and expect to get signed, it ain't gonna happen.

The portrayal of young black men as some sex addicted gang warrior is bizarrely appealing to young white males, and sales always spike when someone is perceived as being hard or legit. So much of the fandom comes not from the skill or artistry but from the reputation or 'street cred' of the artist. It taps into the same pleasure points that makes the WWE appealing to males, a fantasy world of posturing invincibility.

If you think about Hip Hop academically it is insanely perverse and homo-erotic. At least when discussing 'gangsta' rap.

[RedBlackAttack]

this thread is fail on so many levels.

Aside from what I and a lot of other people posted before, it isn't just about NWA, OP probably wasn't around back in the day and has no concept of the landscape at the the time and the amount of acts that were rolling on a similar style.

The whole premise is flawed because if you are blaming NWA for being the act they were, you'd be wrong. You could just as easily blame adolescent w-iggas who drank the shit up like chocolate milk and made those albums as huge as they were. 95% of NWA records were bought by young white males, maybe we should blame them for showing the record company execs how to get rich.

The same shit happens today, why do you think Hip Hop is so down the toilet? Ask anyone trying to break in the game, they want you to be 50 Cent, if you ain't talking about gun play, spending cash foolishly or f*ckin hoes, you WON'T get a record deal. You can't spit 'Self Destruction' or any black awareness shit today and expect to get signed, it ain't gonna happen.

The portrayal of young black men as some sex addicted gang warrior is bizarrely appealing to young white males, and sales always spike when someone is perceived as being hard or legit. So much of the fandom comes not from the skill or artistry but from the reputation or 'street cred' of the artist. It taps into the same pleasure points that makes the WWE appealing to males, a fantasy world of posturing invincibility.

If you think about Hip Hop academically it is insanely perverse and homo-erotic. At least when discussing 'gangsta' rap.
You just broke the thread.



Nice.

It is pretty bizarre that white suburbanites want to hear about people shooting each other in the inner city and will settle for nothing less. But, they can't just be discussing shooting one another... They also have to actually take part in the activity in RL or be labeled 'poser' by people who would change the station and roll up the window if passing a group of young black males on the street.

Completely bizarre.

[Bigsmoke]

Straight Outta Compton was a f*cking classic so f*ck this thread

[AirGauge23]

Eazy was from KPCC.

Not just a dope dealer.

[~primetime~]

You just broke the thread.



Nice.

It is pretty bizarre that white suburbanites want to hear about people shooting each other in the inner city and will settle for nothing less. But, they can't just be discussing shooting one another... They also have to actually take part in the activity in RL or be labeled 'poser' by people who would change the station and roll up the window if passing a group of young black males on the street.

Completely bizarre.
I don't think it is bizarre at all that kids of any race are attracted to it, it is no different than being atratted to an action movie, or a violent action packed video game, and who isn't attracted to sex?

all the black kids I grew up with loved gangsta rap also...maybe the suburn whites kids were feeding more money into it, but that is just because that is where the money is...

it sucks that kids feel the need to live out that role though...or be labeled a "poser"...

[TennesseeFan]

This is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.

[JtotheIzzo]

You just broke the thread.



Nice.

It is pretty bizarre that white suburbanites want to hear about people shooting each other in the inner city and will settle for nothing less. But, they can't just be discussing shooting one another... They also have to actually take part in the activity in RL or be labeled 'poser' by people who would change the station and roll up the window if passing a group of young black males on the street.

Completely bizarre.

its entertainment:oldlol:

[~primetime~]

They also have to actually take part in the activity in RL or be labeled 'poser' by people who would change the station and roll up the window if passing a group of young black males on the street.

I'll be honest, it is rare for me to play rap in my car these days, but I would be 100x more comfortable blasting that shit around a bunch of black people than I would white people...

when I am driving around my work parking lot, lol...if I happen to be listening to rap then my the volume will go down and the windows will be up...

I used to blast the shit non stop when I was in school, around any black dude...I had alot of black freinds...still do

Now I will say this, there is an all black club next to one of the strip joints I go to, and I wouldn't like pull up front of that f*ckin ***** blasting shit...lol

but a group of young black dudes?...I don't give a f*ck...what are they gonna do call me a punk ass white boy?, who cares...should I blasting Cold Play around them instead?...haha

I can remember filling my car up with gas a long time ago with Ghostface Ironman on full blast in front of a whole gang of black dudes...they were like "sup playa?"...me: "bout to get drunk and try to f*ck somethin, that's what's up"...lol

[dough]

I'll be honest, it is rare for me to play rap in my car these days, but I would be 100x more comfortable blasting that shit around a bunch of black people than I would white people...

when I am driving around my work parking lot, lol...if I happen to be listening to rap then my the volume will go down and the windows will be up...

Basically you're scared of being accused of listening to ****** music by your white peers.

[Marv_Albert]

yeah no doubt there are a ton of fakers out there...I won't argue that at all

http://www.shoptradition.com/store/blog/uploaded_images/freddie_gibbs_urb1-793929.jpg


^^^ he spent almost all his 20s hustlin coke...and just got into rap later...

you ever see him all BLING BLINGed out...or in a Bently...or "makin it rain"...

he doesn't do that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_q-kZLieU

^^^ him freestylin

he is pretty good too...





Tight

[~primetime~]

Basically you're scared of being accused of listening to ****** music by your white peers.
I am trying to figure out the six letter word there...lol

"****** music"...:confusedshrug:

I am scared of not being taken seriously by my coworkers...

pulling up next to my boss blasting gangsta rap would be a horrible look...

the main point I was trying to make is that it isn't young black people that whites try to hide that shit from...not all of us anyway

[~primetime~]

Tight
ha...just clickin through links and found this little thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebb1Vcorv6c&feature=related

hard as F*CK!!!

:oldlol:


love the Boyz in tha Hood samples...

[dough]

I am trying to figure out the six letter word there...lol

"****** music"...:confusedshrug:

I am scared of not being taken seriously by my coworkers...

pulling up next to my boss blasting gangsta rap would be a horrible look...

the main point I was trying to make is that it isn't young black people that whites try to hide that shit from...not all of us anyway
n

[~primetime~]

[QUOTE=dough]n

[dough]

that is letters...guess you spelt it different...lol

it isn't a racist thing really if that is what you are gettin at...it is just the steriotype that comes with that music...

It would be the same way with Eminem...(although I wouldn't be caught dead listening to him)...

you're steering away from my initial point damn it...lol
You're just as guilty stereotyping yourself then. Like 99% of white hip hop fans. Funny thing is how a very large % of these fans will be a bunch of racist ****s too, as soon as they're in a comfy all-white company.

[~primetime~]

You're just as guilty stereotyping yourself then. Like 99% of white hip hop fans. Funny thing is how a very large % of these fans will be a bunch of racist ****s too, as soon as they're in a comfy all-white company.
I am guilty of worring about what my coworkers think of me and nothing more...

you're dead set on making this a racist debate I see...

I can't remember the last time someone threw racist jokes or comments my way...it has been a very long time...

I'm sure there are plenty of black dudes that listen to white music or are fans of white actors that make racist comments toward whites too...

hell some of my black freinds will make racist comments right in front of me...reffer to whites as "woods"...when I suggest going to a certain bar or club, they will say "no there are too many woods there"...lol

[Poodle]

**Besides out-of-touch record execs, lol.**

Why do I say this?

Because N.W.A was the biggest bunch of posers ever to 'bless the mic."

See CB4 starring Chris Rock....they totally smashed N.W.A. in that flick lol.

Getting down to the issue I feel like N.W.A. gave a false impression to the masses about blacks and what being from the hood entails.

After N.W.A. everyone wanted to claim a hood and make sure that where they lived had a rep like Compton had. Every rapper wanted to be 'hard.'

This false portrayal had urban white kids thinking that blacks really condoned this behavior and had black kids believing that the only way to be heard as a rapper or respected as a person was to be 'gangster.'

Now, as we all know, NWA was anything but gangster. Eazy-E was a petty dope dealer...that's about all. Dre came from a good home and so did Ice Cube. Ren and Yella? Well who cares.

Furthermore, they are the poster children for young rap groups being duped by shady lawyers and record execs. Dr. Dre lost millions to all kinds of folks until he finally realized [I guess] how to operate in the music biz. Eazy-E took advantage of his friends and berated those who were key to his success.

In my eyes they made some okay music but the bigger picture was that they were frauds and related to the lowest common denominator.....teens and dimwits.


sorry the worst rap is the positive shit. just like the worst comedians were always the non cursing bill cosby's(vs the eddie murphy's). they started the gangsta rap craze which was a whole genre of rap music, and they all more or less moved on to become bigger and better. dre blew up. ice cube blew up. and those other guys started D.O.C. i believe which put out a few good raps.

not to mention nwa's music wasn't bad at all. theres been MUCH worse in the rap industry like 99% of the positive corney rappers.

and theres a lot more than just nwa that have contributed to the negative stereotype of gangbanging and hoods, maybe the actual hoods where they're gangbanging? lol :rolleyes:

[dough]

and those other guys started D.O.C. i believe which put out a few good raps.
:oldlol:

[Poodle]

:oldlol:


it was a long time ago but i could've sworn 2 of them formed DOC...

i could be wrong.

[dough]

Good stuff.

[dough]

the DOC was a solo mc. He wrote a lot of stuff for NWA.

[Poodle]

You're just as guilty stereotyping yourself then. Like 99% of white hip hop fans. Funny thing is how a very large % of these fans will be a bunch of racist ****s too, as soon as they're in a comfy all-white company.


how do you know that? a bunch of white guys trying to act black ain't being racist period, more than sellouts to their own race.

black people are oftentimes more racist in how they generalize whites like in your case.

[Poodle]

the DOC was a solo mc. He wrote a lot of stuff for NWA.


there were 2 of them tho. and i could've sworn they came out with the DOC and some other good rap AFTER NWA broke up....

i guess i'll take your word for it since my memory could easily be off from that long ago. i just know i loved DOC's first rap on each side of their tape(can't even remember the names) :pimp: funny how times change when you're talking about tapes and sides lol.

[dough]

how do you know that? a bunch of white guys trying to act black ain't being racist period, more than sellouts to their own race.

black people are oftentimes more racist in how they generalize whites like in your case.

Because 99% of the white rap fans will be the biggest racists among 'their peers'. Even white rappers.

I'm racist now? I'm white. How do you think I know this shit happens all the time? :oldlol:

[Rasheed1]

there were 2 of them tho. and i could've sworn they came out with the DOC and some other good rap AFTER NWA broke up....

i guess i'll take your word for it since my memory could easily be off from that long ago. i just know i loved DOC's first rap on each side of their tape(can't even remember the names) :pimp: funny how times change when you're talking about tapes and sides lol.


DOC was 1 guy....

his best song IMO was 'the formula'

[Poodle]

Because 99% of the white rap fans will be the biggest racists among 'their peers'. Even white rappers.

I'm racist now? I'm white. How do you think I know this shit happens all the time? :oldlol:


honestly i'd agree with you if you were talking about white frat boys, but i've been around them all, and white people that try to act black real hard are far from racist, more than wanting to be black. it doesn't even make sense that you think that given how much they try to be black...

white college dudes are more like what you're describing where they'll act cool with some brotha and kinda black around them, then get racist at some white frat party that night.

[dough]

there were 2 of them tho. and i could've sworn they came out with the DOC and some other good rap AFTER NWA broke up....

i guess i'll take your word for it since my memory could easily be off from that long ago. i just know i loved DOC's first rap on each side of their tape(can't even remember the names) :pimp: funny how times change when you're talking about tapes and sides lol.
The DOC is a solo mc who worked with NWA and released a couple of solo albums after NWA disbanded. If you think there were two of them you need to lay off the booze. He's an solo MC. A great one even. His vocal cords got messed up after a car accident though.


MC Ren released some very nice solo records.

Yella went into porn business. Director iirc.

Cube, Dre, Eazy's legacies are known. Prince basically never was important. Which showed quite well after he left NWA.

[Poodle]

DOC was 1 guy....

his best song IMO was 'the formula'


yeah that was the name of 1 of them. i think the other one i liked was The DOC, it had a lot of kick to it. i used to love blasting it, would get me real hyped.

[dough]

white people that try to act black real hard are far from racist, more than wanting to be black
wanting to be black...copying stereotypical bullshit. and more. believe me. first chance they get to get in line and be 'white' again in order to get married and get a good job, they'll be 'white' again. rolling up their windows when bumping rap in their cars near co-workers.

[Rasheed1]

not to mention nwa's music wasn't bad at all. theres been MUCH worse in the rap industry like 99% of the positive corney rappers.


positive rap was what put hip hop top.... Public enemy... Tribe, Xclan, BDK, LONS...

that was the best period hip hop had..

then biggie & Puffy came along at the end of Puffy's time with uptown (heavy D and Pete Rock and Andre harrell and them dudes)

[EroticVanilla]

sorry the worst rap is the positive shit. just like the worst comedians were always the non cursing bill cosby's(vs the eddie murphy's). they started the gangsta rap craze which was a whole genre of rap music, and they all more or less moved on to become bigger and better. dre blew up. ice cube blew up. and those other guys started D.O.C. i believe which put out a few good raps.

not to mention nwa's music wasn't bad at all. theres been MUCH worse in the rap industry like 99% of the positive corney rappers.

and theres a lot more than just nwa that have contributed to the negative stereotype of gangbanging and hoods, maybe the actual hoods where they're gangbanging? lol :rolleyes:
He wasn't talking about the quality of the rappers, but the quality of the rappers message. You might think the worst rappers are the positive ones, but that has nothing to do with this thread.

[Poodle]

positive rap was what put hip hop top.... Public enemy... Tribe, Xclan, BDK, LONS...

that was the best period hip hop had..

then biggie & Puffy came along at the end of Puffy's time with uptown (heavy D and Pete Rock and Andre harrell and them dudes)


well i was thinking more like will smith/jazzy jeff style...

like the run dmc's, curtis blow, old school rappers like that were pretty in the middle. not gangsta or positive really

yeah forgot about public enemy but they were more black militant positive i guess

[Poodle]

wanting to be black...copying stereotypical bullshit. and more. believe me. first chance they get to get in line and be 'white' again in order to get married and get a good job, they'll be 'white' again. rolling up their windows when bumping rap in their cars near co-workers.


i've seen that, and you're sort of right, and its the same with white girls too that used to date only brothas if they're from a somewhat black neighborhood. for some reason when they go to college and hang with other white girls, or just get older they end up with white guys and start listening to white music. then act like they've been that way all along :confusedshrug:

at least i know quite a few girls that did this where i grew up.

[dough]

well i was thinking more like will smith/jazzy jeff style...

like the run dmc's, curtis blow, old school rappers like that were pretty in the middle. not gangsta or positive really

yeah forgot about public enemy but they were more black militant positive i guess
run dmc and kurtis blow came along a decade before nwa... and they were basically both pioneers and firsts of their kind. their contributions are legendary and are what made hiphop what it was when nwa came around.... of course theirs styles were different, but listen to run dmc's down with the king and tell me how they are corny.
will smith & jazzy jeff's first two records are great too. absolute classic material. he's the dj, im the rapper is G R E A T. jazzy jeff is still doing a lot of great work through a touch of jazz. he's one of the people who made musiq and jill scott what they are today.

[dough]

i've seen that, and you're sort of right, and its the same with white girls too that used to date only brothas if they're from a somewhat black neighborhood. for some reason when they go to college and hang with other white girls, or just get older they end up with white guys and start listening to white music. then act like they've been that way all along :confusedshrug:

at least i know quite a few girls that did this where i grew up.

Exactly. People who 'act' a certain way are quick to turn around.

[JtotheIzzo]

DOC was 1 guy....

his best song IMO was 'the formula'


make it funky > formula

Poodle, get a clue.

[Poodle]

make it funky > formula

Poodle, get a clue.


lol i'm going by memory of over 20 years ago or some shit. even then i didn't know all of the behind the scenes like some of you do here, more than just listening to them and having their tapes. DOC was one of my favorites tapes tho, really only 2 of their songs.

[JtotheIzzo]

lol i'm going by memory of over 20 years ago or some shit. even then i didn't know all of the behind the scenes like some of you do here, more than just listening to them and having their tapes.

fair enough, but the positive sh*t was good hip hop. in fact some of the best rappers of all time worked those angles.

KRS One
Kool Moe Dee
Stetsasonic
MC Lyte
D Nice
Doug E Fresh
Heavy D
Public Enemy
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
etc...

all kicked Afrocentric positivity, and it was some of the dopest shit out there. Nowadays they'd never get signed unless they dropped violent, misogynist, 'nlgga rich' BS. It is f*ckin sad.

Artistically, it is the equivalent from going from a singer songwriter era to boy band crap.

Hip hop is crippled.

[dough]

lol i'm going by memory of over 20 years ago or some shit. even then i didn't know all of the behind the scenes like some of you do here, more than just listening to them and having their tapes. DOC was one of my favorites tapes tho, really only 2 of HIS songs.
better.


fair enough, but the positive sh*t was good hip hop. in fact some of the best rappers of all time worked those angles.

KRS One
Kool Moe Dee
Stetsasonic
MC Lyte
D Nice
Doug E Fresh
Heavy D
Public Enemy
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
etc...

all kicked Afrocentric positivity, and it was some of the dopest shit out there. Nowadays they'd never get signed unless they dropped violent, misogynist, 'nlgga rich' BS. It is f*ckin sad.

Artistically, it is the equivalent from going from a singer songwriter era to boy band crap.

Hip hop is crippled.

Wale, Kid Cudi, Wiz arent focused on "violent, misogynist, 'nlgga rich' BS" either...

[Rasheed1]

D Nice

DNice! my favorite sh*t from back in the day was "call me D-Nice"....

The Tr-808

808s was like gold when I was young... that and technique 1200s.. the 1200s never skipped no matter how hard the Dj cut... and 808 was what Mantronix had and he was like the God for a minute..

[JtotheIzzo]

DNice! my favorite sh*t from back in the day was "call me D-Nice"....

The Tr-808

808s was like gold when I was young... that and technique 1200s.. the 1200s never skipped no matter how hard the Dj cut... and 808 was what Mantronix had and he was like the God for a minute..

takin out you suckas and you don't know how I did it.

[Rasheed1]

takin out you suckas and you don't know how I did it.


^you know it

[dough]

I love sp 1200 sounds. Ced Gee (Ultramagnetic) was a god with those machines.

[Go Getter]

this thread is fail on so many levels.

Aside from what I and a lot of other people posted before, it isn't just about NWA, OP probably wasn't around back in the day and has no concept of the landscape at the the time and the amount of acts that were rolling on a similar style.

The whole premise is flawed because if you are blaming NWA for being the act they were, you'd be wrong. You could just as easily blame adolescent w-iggas who drank the shit up like chocolate milk and made those albums as huge as they were. 95% of NWA records were bought by young white males, maybe we should blame them for showing the record company execs how to get rich.

The same shit happens today, why do you think Hip Hop is so down the toilet? Ask anyone trying to break in the game, they want you to be 50 Cent, if you ain't talking about gun play, spending cash foolishly or f*ckin hoes, you WON'T get a record deal. You can't spit 'Self Destruction' or any black awareness shit today and expect to get signed, it ain't gonna happen.

The portrayal of young black men as some sex addicted gang warrior is bizarrely appealing to young white males, and sales always spike when someone is perceived as being hard or legit. So much of the fandom comes not from the skill or artistry but from the reputation or 'street cred' of the artist. It taps into the same pleasure points that makes the WWE appealing to males, a fantasy world of posturing invincibility.

If you think about Hip Hop academically it is insanely perverse and homo-erotic. At least when discussing 'gangsta' rap.


I was around back in the day and if you read the thread I stated that the title was inflammatory.

I'm from a gang infested neighborhood NWA wasn't really teaching me anything my male role models growing up were Vice Lords and Gangster Disciples.

You have to read between the lines....I'm not trying to saying NWA personally was the worst thing that happened to rap, but their image and legacy had a harmful impact more specifically.

[~primetime~]

fair enough, but the positive sh*t was good hip hop. in fact some of the best rappers of all time worked those angles.

KRS One
Kool Moe Dee
Stetsasonic
MC Lyte
D Nice
Doug E Fresh
Heavy D
Public Enemy
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
etc...

all kicked Afrocentric positivity, and it was some of the dopest shit out there. Nowadays they'd never get signed unless they dropped violent, misogynist, 'nlgga rich' BS. It is f*ckin sad.

Artistically, it is the equivalent from going from a singer songwriter era to boy band crap.

Hip hop is crippled.
alot of those names you mentioned were just not good...who the f*ck bumped Heavy-D?...seriously?...I want to know what type of dude paid money for Heavy D's shit?...lol


do you still listen to any of that stuff? It isn't good rap...(minus some of PE's stuff and KRS)

http://standing8.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/kid-n-play.jpg

just....awful

you know why music execs won't put out another "Heavy-D"?...cause there isn't anyone that would buy that shit!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAOxCl_3hLw

^^^ there you go...:lol

[JtotheIzzo]

alot of those names you mentioned were just not good...who the f*ck bumped Heavy-D?...seriously?...I want to know what type of dude paid money for Heavy D's shit?...lol


do you still listen to any of that stuff? It isn't good rap...(minus some of PE's stuff and KRS)

http://standing8.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/kid-n-play.jpg

just....awful

you know why music execs won't put out another "Heavy-D"?...cause there isn't anyone that would buy that shit!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAOxCl_3hLw

^^^ there you go...:lol

no one talked about Kid n Play, why bring them up?

you must be drunk again. It's Tuesday Primey, get your shit together.

As for Heavy D:



1987: Living Large (Uptown) - US Pop #92, US R&B #10
1989: Big Tyme (Uptown) - US Pop #19, US R&B #1 (Platinum)
1991: Peaceful Journey (Uptown) - US Pop #21, US R&B #5 (Platinum)
1993: Blue Funk (Uptown) - US Pop #40, US R&B #7 (Gold)
1994: Nuttin' But Love (Uptown) - US Pop #11, US R&B #1 (Platinum)

now please Primey, don't make me wipe the floor with you again...thanks

[~primetime~]

no one talked about Kid n Play, why bring them up?

you must be drunk again. It's Tuesday Primey, get your shit together.

As for Heavy D:



now please Primey, don't make me wipe the floor with you again...thanks
I brought up Kid n Play cause we are on the subject of "freindly rap"...:confusedshrug:

you sure it is YOU that isn't drunk here?

:oldlol:

wipe the floor with me?...what are you talking about?...did you take the Heavy D comments to heart or something?

I grew up in the 80s and never knew anyone that bought or even listened to his shit...that's all...

no one is interested in that type of music today, was my initial point...

[~primetime~]

1994: Nuttin' But Love (Uptown) - US Pop #11, US R&B #1 (Platinum)

wow...1994

that must of missed Dallas altogether or something...

anyone here buy this CD?

[Go Getter]

If there were acts like Kid N Play and Heavy D out now I would purchase their music for my younger family.

Better they listen to that then Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, or Nicki Manaj.

[~primetime~]

If there were acts like Kid N Play and Heavy D out now I would purchase their music for my younger family.

Better they listen to that then Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, or Nicki Manaj.
they would laugh at you...

it would be equal to a show like the Brady Bunch coming out today...it just wouldn't work...it is done

[dough]

I brought up Kid n Play cause we are on the subject of "freindly rap"...:confusedshrug:

you sure it is YOU that isn't drunk here?

:oldlol:

wipe the floor with me?...what are you talking about?...did you take the Heavy D comments to heart or something?

I grew up in the 80s and never knew anyone that bought or even listened to his shit...that's all...

no one is interested in that type of music today, was my initial point...

Because you and your Vanilla Ice friends didnt listen to thes eartists, it makes it a fact that nobody listened to them?

KRS One > VERY influential
Kool Moe Dee > WAAAY earlier than the others, very influential too, but doesnt belong in this group
Stetsasonic > Not hugely popular, but classic track nonetheless
MC Lyte > she was one of the premier female mcs. ruffneck, paper thin, cram to understand you are classics.
D Nice > doesnt belong in this group
Doug E Fresh > WAAY earier and not a rapper. what made you pair him with these others?
Heavy D > had some huge hits. next thing you know primetime is going to tell us pete rock & cl smooth were never popular.
A Tribe Called Quest & De La Soul > HUGE. Qtip is still releasing great albums, de la soul still make very very good albums and sell reasonably well.

Nobody listens to this shit nowadays? These artists arent being listened to less/more than most of the other artists from the 80's.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[dough]

wow...1994

that must of missed Dallas altogether or something...

anyone here buy this CD?
Yup. I have it. And I know 2 or 3 people in my direct circle of friends who had/have it too....and we're in the Netherlands.

Another thing: You're not Dallas.

[~primetime~]

yeah you're missing my point...these people couldn't sell today because no one is interested in that anymore...otherwise they would still be making hits right now.

do you still listen to any of those guys today btw?

[~primetime~]

Yup. I have it. And I know 2 or 3 people in my direct circle of friends who had/have it too....and we're in the Netherlands.

Another thing: You're not Dallas.
huh, what do you mean I am not in Dallas?

[JtotheIzzo]

Heavy D wasn't my thing Primey (although 'Overweight Lover' is a sick jam), but you said 'no one would buy it'. So I ,(for the 100th time) had to show you how wrong you were by posting the sales of a few of his albums.

PE, KRS One, Tribe, De La, Doug E. Fresh, D Nice (sick album Loot, you need to DL that shit now), Stets are all classics and still can be bumped today.

You bring up a gimmick act like Kid N Play, whose chief purpose was to make movies, and think that your word is bond.

"I never heard that shit amongst my white Addison crew in suburban Dallas so it must be non-existent."

Textbook ignorance. be happy that I thought you were drunk, at least I am giving you a bit of credit.

[dough]

yeah you're missing my point...these people couldn't sell today because no one is interested in that anymore...otherwise they would still be making hits right now.

do you still listen to any of those guys today btw?
I often go to parties were these classics get played every now and then, yes. The society and music changed.

I'm not missing your point by the way, I just dismiss it. You don't know your facts. De La Soul had a huge hit with the Gorillaz (Feel Good Inc). And basically their music is still getting a lot of play (also the new material) @ hip hop parties all over the world. QTip's last album was a huge success in the Hip Hop community.

Either way, times change. Even LL Cool J hasnt had a hit in a few years (2006), but who has? He's been in the recording business since the early 80's. That's a career which spans almost 30 years. Please show me all these artists from the 80's who still score hits today. It's not a rule, it's an exception.

Again and again you get proven wrong, so what is your point exactly? We don't have happy go round rappers anymore? Black Eyed Peas sell millions. Wale sells a lot, Kid Cudi is happy as can be. Kanye West is basically a 2k version of A Tribe. On the other hand 50Cent sells millions on the other side of the spectrum. Everything changed, and at the same time nothing has changed, just the scale and the names. Which happens in every popular genre.

[~primetime~]

Heavy D wasn't my thing Primey (although 'Overweight Lover' is a sick jam), but you said 'no one would buy it'. So I ,(for the 100th time) had to show you how wrong you were by posting the sales of a few of his albums.

PE, KRS One, Tribe, De La, Doug E. Fresh, D Nice (sick album Loot, you need to DL that shit now), Stets are all classics and still can be bumped today.

You bring up a gimmick act like Kid N Play, whose chief purpose was to make movies, and think that your word is bond.

"I never heard that shit amongst my white Addison crew in suburban Dallas so it must be non-existent."

Textbook ignorance. be happy that I thought you were drunk, at least I am giving you a bit of credit.
"TODAY"

like no one watches the Brady Bunch "TODAY"...

[dough]

D Nice (sick album Loot, you need to DL that shit now)
I have to the rescue on vinyl and they call me on cd. But either way the other guys on the list are on a different level.

[~primetime~]

I often go to parties were these classics get played every now and then, yes. The society and music changed.

I'm not missing your point by the way, I just dismiss it. You don't know your facts. De La Soul had a huge hit with the Gorillaz (Feel Good Inc). And basically their music is still getting a lot of play (also the new material) @ hip hop parties all over the world. QTip's last album was a huge success in the Hip Hop community.

Either way, times change. Even LL Cool J hasnt had a hit in a few years (2006), but who has? He's been in the recording business since the early 80's. That's a career which spans almost 30 years. Please show me all these artists from the 80's who still score hits today. It's not a rule, it's an exception.

Again and again you get proven wrong, so what is your point exactly? We don't have happy go round rappers anymore? Black Eyed Peas sell millions. Wale sells a lot, Kid Cudi is happy as can be. Kanye West is basically a 2k version of A Tribe. On the other hand 50Cent sells millions on the other side of the spectrum. Everything changed, and at the same time nothing has changed, just the scale and the names. Which happens in every popular genre.
that no one would listen to rap like that today....for the 10th time

[JtotheIzzo]

"TODAY"

like no one watches the Brady Bunch "TODAY"...


Does gangsta rap sound like Ice-T's 6 in the morning or NWA and the Posse today?

No, it has evolved from Geto Boys to Snoop to 50 to whoever is hard today.

Other forms of hip hop would have evolved too, and they have, they are just more underground.

[dough]

yeah you're missing my point...these people couldn't sell today because no one is interested in that anymore...otherwise they would still be making hits right now.

do you still listen to any of those guys today btw?

No. No. You said:


alot of those names you mentioned were just not good...who the f*ck bumped Heavy-D?...seriously?...I want to know what type of dude paid money for Heavy D's shit?...lol


do you still listen to any of that stuff? It isn't good rap...(minus some of PE's stuff and KRS)

That's something 100% different.

[~primetime~]

Does gangsta rap sound like Ice-T's 6 in the morning or NWA and the Posse today?

No, it has evolved from Geto Boys to Snoop to 50 to whoever is hard today.

Other forms of hip hop would have evolved too, and they have, they are just more underground.
okay?

:confusedshrug:


music has evolved from people like Heavy-D...correct

[~primetime~]

No. No. You said:



That's something 100% different.
yeah, I thought Heavy-D was wack as f*ck...:lol

sorry...

I know he sold some albums...just never knew or seen anyone that had his shit or listened to it...

I actually didn't even know he was around in 1994...

[JtotheIzzo]

okay?

:confusedshrug:


music has evolved from people like Heavy-D...correct

you are being argumentative now.

Dough and I have proven everything you proclaimed to be false.

'Pick up the mouse and click away from the thread, you are trolling and it is annoying.

[~primetime~]

you are being argumentative now.

Dough and I have proven everything you proclaimed to be false.

'Pick up the mouse and click away from the thread, you are trolling and it is annoying.
I don't know what you are talking about dude...:confusedshrug:

I am not trying to argue with you either...

[dough]

yeah, I thought Heavy-D was wack as f*ck...:lol

sorry...

I know he sold some albums...just never knew or seen anyone that had his shit or listened to it...

I actually didn't even know he was around in 1994...
No you said "alot of those names you mentioned were just not good". Heavy D is not a lot of those names. Please show us why the others were just not good.

[~primetime~]

No you said "alot of those names you mentioned were just not good". Heavy D is not a lot of those names. Please show us why the others were just not good.
like they weren't good enogh to survive "time"...like exist today

Snoop/Dre/Cube/ect have been around forever now...Rakim came out with something recently didn't he?

IDK...all in all I just gives me a really dorky vibe...sorry, just my opinion and the it is apparent that others didn't share that opinion...

I liked PE though, and Tribe a little...and maybe a few other things...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEbfeG2oAE

^^^ wow at that...Chris Tucker and everything...

crazy...never seen it till now

[dough]

like they weren't good enogh to survive "time"...like exist today

Snoop/Dre/Cube/ect have been around forever now...Rakim came out with something recently didn't he?

IDK...all in all I just gives me a really dorky vibe...sorry, just my opinion and the it is apparent that others didn't share that opinion...

I liked PE though, and Tribe a little...and maybe a few other things...



Cube hasnt released a meaningful record in years either, at least not what you make it out to be. Dr Dre is a producer not a rapper. You cant compare those. Snoop is one of the exceptions which prove a rule.

Rakim's last album did nothing, nor did his other two solo albums. Bad example. When you're going to dismiss De La, Tribe and Stetsa (of which Prince Paul still released critically acclaimed work nowadays).

Dorky Vibe? Who? Why? You're the one with the dorky, misinformed vibe here. It's not just your opinion, it's you talking about stuff you don't know anything about.

[BlazersDozen]

Cube hasnt released a meaningful record in years either, at least not what you make it out to be. Dr Dre is a producer not a rapper. You cant compare those. Snoop is one of the exceptions which prove a rule.

Rakim's last album did nothing, nor did his other two solo albums. Bad example. When you're going to dismiss De La, Tribe and Stetsa (of which Prince Paul still released critically acclaimed work nowadays).

Dorky Vibe? Who? Why? You're the one with the dorky, misinformed vibe here. It's not just your opinion, it's you talking about stuff you don't know anything about.

Snoop hasn't dropped anything good since The Last Meal

But De La Soul is still crack!

[dough]

Snoop hasn't dropped anything good since The Last Meal

But De La Soul is still crack!
"Good" is your personal opinion. He's been selling loads of units, and his records have been rated pretty well too. "Ups and Downs" was a great single btw.

[~primetime~]

Cube hasnt released a meaningful record in years either, at least not what you make it out to be. Dr Dre is a producer not a rapper. You cant compare those. Snoop is one of the exceptions which prove a rule.

Rakim's last album did nothing, nor did his other two solo albums. Bad example. When you're going to dismiss De La, Tribe and Stetsa (of which Prince Paul still released critically acclaimed work nowadays).

Dorky Vibe? Who? Why? You're the one with the dorky, misinformed vibe here. It's not just your opinion, it's you talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
who?...everyone, we are talking about why record execs would put stuff like that out today, cause no one wants it...

if it wasn't viewed as dorky that kind of rap would still be around today...

Common would be the biggest "freindly rap" star today I guess...if that is what De la and tribe morphed into...but "freindly" rap certainly isn't what it was back then...people don't want that shit anymore...

although, I hope people are getting sick of the bling and bentleys too now...rap has hit a dead end it seems...

[~primetime~]

speaking of old freindly rap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebb1Vcorv6c&feature=related

^^^ Gibbs tribute to Master Ace

found that in this thread last night...that is what gangsta rap needs to evolve into...

he starts the track talking about living in his mother's basement...not in a Bentley...

[EroticVanilla]

I feel that the rap out today is somewhat similar to what happened with "corp-rock" and hair metal bands of the 80's, they just appealed to the lowest common denominator. Talking about sex, drugs, and being cool is appealing to a wider range of people as apposed to talking about social issues, but eventually it'll get stale and people will switch to something else.

[dough]

who?...everyone, we are talking about why record execs would put stuff like that out today, cause no one wants it...

if it wasn't viewed as dorky that kind of rap would still be around today...

Common would be the biggest "freindly rap" star today I guess...if that is what De la and tribe morphed into...but "freindly" rap certainly isn't what it was back then...people don't want that shit anymore...

although, I hope people are getting sick of the bling and bentleys too now...rap has hit a dead end it seems...
Rap is not at a dead end. People have been saying that since the early 80s. Clearly another misinformed opinion.
De La didnt morphed into anything, they're still releasing great music. Dorky? Charles Hamilton walks around in pink clothes with Sonic the Hedgehog as a logo. Rapping about his game console. Kid Cudi is a dork. Cool Kids are dorks. Pharrell is a self proclaimed nerd. These guys made it cool to be a nerd and wear glasses. What the **** are you talking about?

[~primetime~]

I feel that the rap out today is somewhat similar to what happened with "corp-rock" and hair metal bands of the 80's, they just appealed to the lowest common denominator. Talking about sex, drugs, and being cool is appealing to a wider range of people as apposed to talking about social issues, but eventually it'll get stale and people will switch to something else.
I having trouble trying to imagine where it is rap can go from here...

it will keep going no doubt, but I think even the artists themselves feel like they don't know where to go from here...

I like the idea of really taking it back to the streets...

they swaped the big gold rope chains for platinum and diamonds...

it is time to swap the platinum and diamonds for a bare neck...

[dough]

I feel that the rap out today is somewhat similar to what happened with "corp-rock" and hair metal bands of the 80's, they just appealed to the lowest common denominator. Talking about sex, drugs, and being cool is appealing to a wider range of people as apposed to talking about social issues, but eventually it'll get stale and people will switch to something else.
Thats what it looks like to the general public. But these subjects have been around since the 80's. And just like the 80's, anybody who is a bit more involved and more knowledgeable of the broad range of artists in hiphop knows there are just as many other subjects spoken on. Kanye sells about as much as 50.

[dough]

I having trouble trying to imagine where it is rap can go from here...

it will keep going no doubt, but I think even the artists themselves feel like they don't know where to go from here...

I like the idea of really taking it back to the streets...

they swaped the big gold rope chains for platinum and diamonds...

it is time to swap the platinum and diamonds for a bare neck...
De La Soul, Tribe, PE, KRS all told that same message 20 years ago, and you just dismissed them as being irrelevant today. :rolleyes:

[~primetime~]

Rap is not at a dead end. People have been saying that since the early 80s. Clearly another misinformed opinion.
De La didnt morphed into anything, they're still releasing great music. Dorky? Charles Hamilton walks around in pink clothes with Sonic the Hedgehog as a logo. Rapping about his game console. Kid Cudi is a dork. Cool Kids are dorks. Pharrell is a self proclaimed nerd. These guys made it cool to be a nerd and wear glasses. What the **** are you talking about?
I don't remember hearing that in the 80s at all...

it was Jizzo trying to explain that just like gangsta rap evolved in 50 Cent...freindly rap evolved into Common and underground stuff...

if you don't know what the f*ck I have been saying in here about the popularity of 'freindly rap" then you never will...just stop asking me shit...

[~primetime~]

De La Soul, Tribe, PE, KRS all told that same message 20 years ago, and you just dismissed them as being irrelevant today. :rolleyes:
they are irrelevent today...

or did I miss a recent hit?

[EroticVanilla]

Thats what it looks like to the general public. But these subjects have been around since the 80's. And just like the 80's, anybody who is a bit more involved and more knowledgeable of the broad range of artists in hiphop knows there are just as many other subjects spoken on. Kanye sells about as much as 50.
Yea I'll admit that I'm not as knowledgeable as you on the history of hip-hop, I was just throwing out what it seemed like to me. Obviously it's not a completely analogues comparison.

[dough]

I don't remember hearing that in the 80s at all...

it was Jizzo trying to explain that just like gangsta rap evolved in 50 Cent...freindly rap evolved into Common and underground stuff...

if you don't know what the f*ck I have been saying in here about the popularity of 'freindly rap" then you never will...just stop asking me shit...
\De La Soul, Tribe, PE etc all made remarks about gold chains an excessive jewelry in the 80's. Of course you don't remember. I didnt expect you to, so I'm just pointing it out for you. Now you know.

And I'm not asking you shit. I'm lecturing you.

[dough]

they are irrelevent today...

or did I miss a recent hit?
De La Soul scored a huge hit with Feel Good Inc. You missed that one yes. You also missed the point.

[~primetime~]

\De La Soul, Tribe, PE etc all made remarks about gold chains an excessive jewelry in the 80's. Of course you don't remember. I didnt expect you to, so I'm just pointing it out for you. Now you know.

And I'm not asking you shit. I'm lecturing you.
you took the chain comment too literal...

If you aren't asking me shit then stop using so many question marks...


Dorky Vibe? Who? Why?


I don't even know what the f*ck you are trying to prove anymore?

[~primetime~]

De La Soul scored a huge hit with Feel Good Inc. You missed that one yes. You also missed the point.
yes, what is your point?

[dough]

like they weren't good enogh to survive "time"...like exist today

Once again, showing how dumb this argument is. Because you're wrong (most of them are around), and because the same goes for EVERY genre: Show me a list of punk artists from the 80's (early 80's even in the case of Moe Dee and Doug E.) who are still around. A list of Rock artists. Does it make them "just not good"? No. You could dismiss 99.9% of the artists from the 80's as just not good then.

[dough]

I don't even know what the f*ck you are trying to prove anymore?

I'm showing ish that you're a poser who tries to talk about stuff he doesn't know shit about. Sometimes it's better to just step back and put a sock in it. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. All these years you and your cool white friends could keep these myths alive because they were truths within your little circle of white 'rap' fans. But let's be realistic. You don't know jack shit.

[~primetime~]

Once again, showing how dumb this argument is. Because you're wrong (most of them are around), and because the same goes for EVERY genre: Show me a list of punk artists from the 80's (early 80's even in the case of Moe Dee and Doug E.) who are still around. A list of Rock artists. Does it make them "just not good"? No. You could dismiss 99.9% of the artists from the 80's as just not good then.
I gave you a few rapper names that withstood time...

the list of names of "freindly rappers" that jizzo posted I don't think are around making hits anymore...(Heavy D, MC Lyte, PE, Tribe, ect)

I don't know what you are trying to prove?

that all those guys are still big today?...is that what you are trying to get at?

[dough]

I gave you a few rapper names that withstood time...
And failed. Failed HARD. Rakim hasnt done anything RIAA certificated in 13 years. You just panicked and picked one of the worst examples you could.

And I'm even ignoring the fact that you picked one of the most 'knowledgable' / 'positive' / 'uplifiting' rappers of his era.

I mean, really now....

[~primetime~]

I'm showing ish that you're a poser who tries to talk about stuff he doesn't know shit about. Sometimes it's better to just step back and put a sock in it. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. All these years you and your cool white friends could keep these myths alive because they were truths within your little circle of white 'rap' fans. But let's be realistic. You don't know jack shit.
no I grew up runnin around with all races, black dudes that lived 5 houses down from me that I ran around with...not the kids that bought "Heavy-D"...that's YOU...:roll:

I didn't grow up in Bel Air...I been in out of jail my whole life...

maybe you need to step back and stfu...go listen to MC Lyte or something...she is stull bangin...

[~primetime~]

And failed. Failed HARD. Rakim hasnt done anything RIAA certificated in 13 years. You just panicked and picked one of the worst examples you could.

And I'm even ignoring the fact that you picked one of the most 'knowledgable' / 'positive' / 'uplifiting' rappers of his era.

I mean, really now....
okay...good night already

[dough]

I been in out of jail my whole life...

Meaning....? You're a retard alcoholic who pisses in someones mailbox. Dude you're getting lit up and this is your last retreat, trying to give yourself a little cred. by claiming this crap. :oldlol: :oldlol:


maybe you need to step back and stfu....
Why? I just pulled your hoe card.

[~primetime~]

Meaning....? You're a retard alcoholic who pisses in someones mailbox. Dude you're getting lit up and this is your last retreat, trying to give yourself a little cred. by claiming this crap. :oldlol: :oldlol:


Why? I just pulled your hoe card.
dude, I don't even know what the f*ck you are trying to prove in here?

i have asked you 3 times now and you won't answer?

how are you "lighting me up" when I don't even know what you are arguing about?

that all those rappers are still doing great today?...they aren't...

if that isn't what you are trying to prove then what is it?

and hurry, almost nighty night time for me...

[~primetime~]

Meaning....? trying to give yourself a little cred. by claiming this crap.

you falsely accused me of growing up in a "circle of white 'rap' fans."

[JtotheIzzo]

Primey, you need to learn when to Onyx (bacdafucup) out of a thread.

[~primetime~]

Primey, you need to learn when to Onyx (bacdafucup) out of a thread.
I'll leave a thread whenever the f*ck I feel...

can you explain what he is trying to prove for him?

or no?

[~primetime~]

"friendly rap" :oldlol:

prime just stop trying to discuss topics you know so little about its depressing
it is freindly rap...

now that is being disputed?

the 3 of you are trying to tell me to stop, yet none of you have any idea what the arguement is...

[~primetime~]

alright, jizzo can't answer either it seems...he left

I am going to bed...

I tried to figure out what dough is trying to prove...can't say I didn't...

[Quata]

I always find it amusing that all long arguments on ISH delve into a state where it is NOT about a fact on either side being right, its purely a conflict between two posters having to "win" the argument to gain the energy that comes with it- with all sense of the initial conflict being lost.

If someone is set on an opinion and you confront it in an argumentative hostile manner what do you think is going to happen?

[JtotheIzzo]

I always find it amusing that all long arguments on ISH delve into a state where it is NOT about a fact on either side being right, its purely a conflict between two posters having to "win" the argument to gain the energy that comes with it- with all sense of the initial conflict being lost.

If someone is set on an opinion and you confront it in an argumentative hostile manner what do you think is going to happen?

it is 'last wordism'. Primey was consistently proven to be wrong in every point he made (factual proof was given in direct contrast to his view). yet he still kept coming back with 'yeah, but...'

after a while it gets old and you have no choice but to call someone a retard, or abandon the thread, because I believe true stupidity is arguing a point that has been proven false to you.

[EroticVanilla]

I always find it amusing that all long arguments on ISH delve into a state where it is NOT about a fact on either side being right, its purely a conflict between two posters having to "win" the argument to gain the energy that comes with it- with all sense of the initial conflict being lost.

If someone is set on an opinion and you confront it in an argumentative hostile manner what do you think is going to happen?
Thats how all internet arguments go, you have 2 people with polar opposite opinions go at it trying to win even though it never happens. Basically the only thing you can hope for is someone who's reading it and is neutral to ends up agreeing with your side of the argument.

[godofgods]

Too bad there's only 1 Bill Cosby and millions of monkeys.

Anyway, they should've nuked Compton. Or the entire LA.

[BlazersDozen]

Who really cares if somebody makes gangsta muziq anyways?

People are keeping it alive so don't blame the artist. Blame the supporters.

I personally have no preference of Hip Hop music as long as it has a banging beat and a some good lyrics.

[SALFORD-RED]

Talking about sex, drugs, and being cool is appealing to a wider range of people as apposed to talking about social issues.

depressing but true. its like people are such simpletons that they cant digest anything with socio-political commentary, that might celebrate that there is more to life than exploiting people, murdering people of your own race and objectyfing women and making out that materialsim is the greatest thing in the world. personally i hate capitalism because under that system half of the world live in extrmem poverty while 1% own all the capital and resources and the rest are somewhere in between. in the bible it says "Man dominates man to his injury" meaning that people love to opress one another to the detriment of mankind. anybody that sends a message that opressing people is cool or a good thing are cavemen who belong in a bygone era.

did people fail to digest and learn a thing from slavery or the holocaust???????? it would appear so.

to me gangsta rap is just another form of fascism that keeps people down, it keeps the poor poor the rich rich and all those who profit from it are satans slaves.

eazy-e said himself he was the devils son in law.

AS CHUCK D SAID: "WHAT WE NEED IS AWARENESS, WE CAN'T GET CARELESS". :applause:

[Whiteness]

Yes posers, fake gangsters, exaggeraters, liars, whatever you want to call it.

I tried to use a term ISH would understand.

Do you agree or disagree?

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!

Rap artists exaggerate their lives to sell records? Since when?

NWA is hardly the worst thing to happen to rap/hip-hop culture (see: Autotune, and anything Xzibit has done in the last 7 years).

also, you aren't posting in the NBA forum. Feel free to bring out the big words.

[TennesseeFan]

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[~primetime~]

it is 'last wordism'. Primey was consistently proven to be wrong in every point he made (factual proof was given in direct contrast to his view). yet he still kept coming back with 'yeah, but...'

after a while it gets old and you have no choice but to call someone a retard, or abandon the thread, because I believe true stupidity is arguing a point that has been proven false to you.
where?

where was I wrong?

I don't want to argue, I stated AND ASKED 100 times what the arguement was even about, yet no one could tell me...

so now I will polite ask you to show me where I was wrong?

I acknowledged from the get go that I knew Heavy-D sold albums, I just made the comment that I want to know who those people were...cause I have never met any.

as for not leaving the thread, tell dough to stop asking me questions about random shit that has no point at all...don't tell me to get out as though you have to be a damn hip hop historian to post in here...I was around when NWA came out, this thread is welcome to me...

[jamal99]

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!

Rap artists exaggerate their lives to sell records? Since when?

NWA is hardly the worst thing to happen to rap/hip-hop culture (see: Autotune, and anything Xzibit has done in the last 7 years).

also, you aren't posting in the NBA forum. Feel free to bring out the big words.

Why Xzibit?

[Go Getter]

Too bad there's only 1 Bill Cosby and millions of monkeys.

Anyway, they should've nuked Compton. Or the entire LA.


For real man?

I would get mad but it's obvious that you're a coward that just wants to get his rocks off by insulting folks that he's scared of IRL.

[Go Getter]

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!

Rap artists exaggerate their lives to sell records? Since when?

NWA is hardly the worst thing to happen to rap/hip-hop culture (see: Autotune, and anything Xzibit has done in the last 7 years).

also, you aren't posting in the NBA forum. Feel free to bring out the big words.


1. If you could follow the thread like someone with a modicum of intelligence you would have gleaned that my comment was geared towards a poster that did not believe that NWA wasn't 100% authentic.

2. Xzibit? Really?

3. My word choice is of no concern to you....but I appreciate your input.:rolleyes:

[jbot]

yeah, they were all from that compton area but dr. dre himself stated that it was all an act.

dr. dre= rapper/actor
snoop= rapper/actor
ice cube= rapper/actor

do u see the trend? i don't see real street thugs standing in lines to get a role on tv or a movie.

"let's take a look at your resume, shall we? oh, i see here you previously worked as a thug for a street gang, huh? you have 5 confirmed murders to your name. impressive work."

[crisoner]

Eazy E is a well known crip who grew up in compton
Ice cube grew up in south central LA
Dj Yella is from compton
Mc ren is from compton
Dre is from compton
You think they stayed in the house and just recorded music all day
:oldlol: @ being posers
Thats when compton was the worst city in the us

/thread

NWA is one of the greatest groups of all times in Hip Hop. This thread is blasphemy.

http://lounge155.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nwa.jpg

[SALFORD-RED]

/thread

NWA is one of the greatest groups of all times in Hip Hop. This thread is blasphemy.

http://lounge155.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nwa.jpg

:no: NWA are not Gods they were a collection of fake gangstas who spawned a slew of copycatters and now star in films like are we there yet? for three year olds.

In Other Words They Are Wannabee Tossers, who spoke the biggest pile of dogshit, like "its not about a salary its all about reality" when they themselves were the biggest Frauds and bullsh*tters known to man.

I would rather listen to Gospel over that cack because:
a) its real and
b) its uplifting.

[BRabbiT]

...
I would rather listen to Gospel over that cack because:
a) its real and
b) its uplifting.



if you like Gospel, just say it. Why use NWA as an excuse??

believe what you want. but there's such a huge double standard when it comes to the perception people have of hip hop artists.

i suppose r & b singers, rockers and the like weren't ordered/pressured to play up some image, in order to make themselves more marketable?

it's not just NWA, clearly, hip hop artists are constantly being called out. hmmm, i wonder why??? :confusedshrug:

[crisoner]

:no: NWA are not Gods they were a collection of fake gangstas who spawned a slew of copycatters and now star in films like are we there yet? for three year olds.

In Other Words They Are Wannabee Tossers, who spoke the biggest pile of dogshit, like "its not about a salary its all about reality" when they themselves were the biggest Frauds and bullsh*tters known to man.

I would rather listen to Gospel over that cack because:
a) its real and
b) its uplifting.


A) You don't know NOTHING about Hip Hop music if you disrespect these guys and call them copycatters? WTF How old are you?

B) Read and learn Letter A.

This means your opinion doesn't mean sh*t because you are commenting on a art form and culture you know nothing about.

[SALFORD-RED]

if you like Gospel, just say it. Why use NWA as an excuse??

believe what you want. but there's such a huge double standard when it comes to the perception people have of hip hop artists.

i suppose r & b singers, rockers and the like weren't ordered/pressured to play up some image, in order to make themselves more marketable?

it's not just NWA, clearly, hip hop artists are constantly being called out. hmmm, i wonder why??? :confusedshrug:

Point being i aint a particularly big fan of gospel but id rather listen to it over gangsta rap cos it has better content and conveys a better message.

and if you are trying to hint that i am racist you couldnt be further off the mark fella i have been involved with antifa a VERY long time and have marched and demo'd against the BNP which is the British equivalent of the KKK.

I wouldnt call Chuck D out becasue to me has more authenticity and a better message than all these gangsta gangsta's who talk total shite so dont try and play the race card.

[SALFORD-RED]

A) You don't know NOTHING about Hip Hop music if you disrespect these guys and call them copycatters? WTF How old are you?

B) Read and learn Letter A.

This means your opinion doesn't mean sh*t because you are commenting on a art form and culture you know nothing about.


I SEEN PUBLIC ENEMY AT BRIXTON ACADEMY IN THE LATE 80S, PROBABLY BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

EXCUSE ME FOR RECOGNISING BULLSHIT WHEN I SEE IT AND TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.

[BRabbiT]

Point being...


i'm not calling you racist, ok? i'm not that guy.

what i'm saying is that there's a complete double standard when it comes to the general perception of authentic hip hop artists.

i'm glad you like chuck D :applause:

[dough]

:no: NWA are not Gods they were a collection of fake gangstas who spawned a slew of copycatters and now star in films like are we there yet? for three year olds.

In Other Words They Are Wannabee Tossers, who spoke the biggest pile of dogshit, like "its not about a salary its all about reality" when they themselves were the biggest Frauds and bullsh*tters known to man.

I would rather listen to Gospel over that cack because:
a) its real and
b) its uplifting.
Singing songs about a man with a beard in the clouds is far from real.