LeBron James vs. Dwight Howard

[Lebron23]

Who would you rather build your team around?

[King Lebron LBJ]

Is this a serious question?

[asdf1990]

was this even necessary wen the answer is so obvious?

[Hiei]

Do we get a daily version of this thread?

[Lebron23]

Is this a serious question?

Last year everyone picked Dwight over Bron when the Magic beat the Cavs in the Conference Finals.

[IInvented]

i swear i see these kinda threads every other week

[joyner82]

Give me about a month and I'll give my answer

[Freshprince619]

Give me about a month and I'll give my answer
:lol :lol :lol
Dwight has done more for his team then Lebron.
But if you like individual accomplishments and individual stats the answer is obvious

[zORi]

I'd go with Dwight (I'm sure I'll be called a homer for this, but I don't care).

Once he gets his temper under control and stops yelling at the refs so much, I'm sure they'll stop calling these tick-tack fouls on him when people flop.

And of course, the whole Freethrow thing.

Great big men are hard to come by nowadays.

[Lebron23]

Give me about a month and I'll give my answer


Cavs are gonna beat the Magic in the Conference Finals.

[joyner82]

Well Dwight has proven he can win a championship or at least come close. LeBron not so much..

[joyner82]

Cavs are gonna beat the Magic in the Conference Finals.

Hmm could have sworn I heard this same thing around the same time last year

Shaq is garbage, but Jamison might make the difference. Who knows, VC sucks too though.

[zORi]

Cavs are gonna beat the Magic in the Conference Finals.

Weren't you singing the same song last year?

Not that I can blame you, considering 95% of the rest of the world was, too.....

[Lebron23]

By the way Jameer Nelson was the Magic's best player in the first round of the playoffs.

Last year Supermad had a better supporting cast than LeBron that's why the Magic outplayed the Cavs in the Conference Finals.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Well Dwight has proven he can win a championship or at least come close. LeBron not so much..

Not really, both made the finals but thats it. I expect Lebron to win his first title this year though. No doubt in my mind.

[BallsOut]

Hmm could have sworn I heard this same thing around the same time last year

Those are the Lebron fans for you. They only can think about hypothetical situations, not the real world. They dance, sing and are arrogant as hell until they get eliminated, just like Lebron when he loses every year. :roll:

[joyner82]

Not really, both made the finals but thats it. I expect Lebron to win his first title this year though. No doubt in my mind.

I'm sure you felt the same way last year, but until it happens you don't know. And Dwight won 2 games in the Finals and was very competitive in every game. LeBron just got flat out destroyed against the Spurs, albeit his team had no business being there and was the beneficiary of a joke conference. Also LeBron was too young for the stage at the time.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Hmm could have sworn I heard this same thing around the same time last year

Shaq is garbage, but Jamison might make the difference. Who knows, VC sucks too though.

True but this year Lebron has a far better supporting cast to get it done. Last year the Cavs had serious match-up issues with Orlando that is no longer the case.

[OnceInADECADE]

Lebron James best player in the nba bro. Dwight howard is sick but i will get kendrick perkins somewhere to lock himdown

[Lebron23]

True but this year Lebron has a far better supporting cast to get it done. Last year the Cavs had serious match-up issues with Orlando that is no longer the case.


Jeff needs to appoint King LeBron LBJ as the next NBA Forum Moderator.

[King Lebron LBJ]

I'm sure you felt the same way last year, but until it happens you don't know. And Dwight won 2 games in the Finals and was very competitive in every game. LeBron just got flat out destroyed against the Spurs, albeit his team had no business being there and was the beneficiary of a joke conference. Also LeBron was too young for the stage at the time.

Actually Dwight won just 1 game in the finals.

Actually no I didn't think Cavs would beat Orlando last year. They had clear match-up advantages over Cleveland I just had a bad feeling they would take advantage and they did. I don't see the same thing happening this year though.

[DuMa]

I'm sure you felt the same way last year, but until it happens you don't know. And Dwight won 2 games in the Finals and was very competitive in every game. LeBron just got flat out destroyed against the Spurs, albeit his team had no business being there and was the beneficiary of a joke conference. Also LeBron was too young for the stage at the time.

Orlando won 1 game. furthering explaining why you dont know jack shit about basketball.

[zORi]

By the way Jameer Nelson was the Magic's best player in the first round of the playoffs.

Last year Supermad had a better supporting cast than LeBron that's why the Magic outplayed the Cavs in the Conference Finals.

This is why Orlando is actually better than the Cavs as a whole.

Lebron is no doubt the greatest, and most consistent, player in the world.

But his team can't do shit without him.

Dwight and Vince have been pretty bad this series (Vince had a good game 2, but a horrendous game 1. And the refs just seem like they want Dwight permanently on the bench), and we still gained a 3-0 lead on a very good team.

Lebron's supporting cast is definitely an improvement, but there is still no viable No.2.

[Kingwillball]

Please Any Magic fan willing to take off the rose colored glasses Would Deep Down choose Lebron over D12..U would have to be stupid not to

[BallsOut]

Jeff needs to appoint King LeBron LBJ as the next NBA Forum Moderator.

Why the hell would he appoint your trolling ass on a gimmick account as a moderator. C'mon son. Keep it on your 26000 posts account. We don't need two of you running around slurping Lebron's nuts on ISH.

[King Lebron LBJ]

This is why Orlando is actually better than the Cavs as a whole.

Lebron is no doubt the greatest, and most consistent, player in the world.

But his team can't do shit without him.

Dwight and Vince have been pretty bad this series (Vince had a good game 2, but a horrendous game 1. And the refs just seem like they want Dwight permanently on the bench), and we still gained a 3-0 lead on a very good team.

Lebron's supporting cast is definitely an improvement, but there is still no viable No.2.

Lebron doesn't need a bigtime number 2.

Jamison is exactly what he needed. All Lebron needed was a guy who could score and take the pressure off him and Mo Williams. Thats what he has got. This Cavs team is so deep thats why he doesn't need a true number 2.

[asdf1990]

I'd go with Dwight (I'm sure I'll be called a homer for this, but I don't care).

Once he gets his temper under control and stops yelling at the refs so much, I'm sure they'll stop calling these tick-tack fouls on him when people flop.

And of course, the whole Freethrow thing.

Great big men are hard to come by nowadays.

this is true but a player that is as gifted as lebron are even harder to come by.
he has the strength of a power forward, speed and passing abilities of a point guard, the shooting abilities of sg, combine that with being 6-8 with good hops.

[Kingwillball]

This is why Orlando is actually better than the Cavs as a whole.

Lebron is no doubt the greatest, and most consistent, player in the world.

But his team can't do shit without him.

Dwight and Vince have been pretty bad this series (Vince had a good game 2, but a horrendous game 1. And the refs just seem like they want Dwight permanently on the bench), and we still gained a 3-0 lead on a very good team.

Lebron's supporting cast is definitely an improvement, but there is still no viable No.2.


Well if Jamison plays like today he is the number 2 or Mo and Jamison are like 2A/2B..but more importantly who is the #1 option on Magic ?

[joyner82]

Orlando won 1 game. furthering explaining why you dont know jack shit about basketball.

I got the series confused with the Lakers-Celtics in 08 you ****ing idiot. How would that further explain my lack of knowledge regarding basketball? Your stupidity knows no bounds. And given Dwight was a made free throw away from tying the series up. 2 games went to OT and the Lakers won both, that's as close to winning as you can get.

Just curious, are you a LeBron homer that poses as a Suns fan? It seems like it.

[EllisGW]

lebron 23 just wanted to hear more praise of lebron lol haha

[zORi]

Lebron doesn't need a bigtime number 2.

Jamison is exactly what he needed. All Lebron needed was a guy who could score and take the pressure off him and Mo Williams. Thats what he has got. This Cavs team is so deep thats why he doesn't need a true number 2.

I've never heard of a team winning a 'ship without a real number 2.

I'm not saying it can't happen, I just can't think of one instance where it actually has.

[Lebron23]

This is why Orlando is actually better than the Cavs as a whole.

Lebron is no doubt the greatest, and most consistent, player in the world.

But his team can't do shit without him.

Dwight and Vince have been pretty bad this series (Vince had a good game 2, but a horrendous game 1. And the refs just seem like they want Dwight permanently on the bench), and we still gained a 3-0 lead on a very good team.

Lebron's supporting cast is definitely an improvement, but there is still no viable No.2.


Good Post. I love to see Delonte West guard Jameer Nelson in the Conference Finals.

Last year Mike Brown made a huge mistake when he put West on Turkoglu.

I still think that Jamison is a true number 2 option. He's been putting up solid numbers againts the Bulls.

[EllisGW]

Well Dwight has proven he can win a championship or at least come close. LeBron not so much..


they both been to finals

[BallsOut]

they both been to finals

Dwight actually helped his team win a game in the finals.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Last year Mike Brown made a huge mistake when he put West on Turkoglu.

Not really, Turk shot something like 39%. The problem was that none of Cleveland's power forwards could get out to the 3 point like and guard Rashard Lewis and Z and Varejao couldn't guard Dwight. Those 2 combined for a very efficient 45+ ppg.

[King Lebron LBJ]

I've never heard of a team winning a 'ship without a real number 2.

I'm not saying it can't happen, I just can't think of one instance where it actually has.

Depends how you consider what a 2nd option is.

a guy who can give you 20 and 9 on any night? a guy who averages 17 and 8 on the season? thats what Jamison gives the Cavs on a nightly basics. Or a 3rd option like Mo Williams who can give you 15-17 a game? really thats all you need when you have Lebron going off for 34, 8 and 8 in a series.

Did Duncan have a true number two in his title runs? afterall the numbers parker/manu put up was no different to these two.

When you have Lebron james you don't need a true number two you just need guys who step up and hits shots. Cavs still took Orlando to 6 very close games with just Lebron and nothing else..that says alot about Lebron.

[zORi]

Well if Jamison plays like today he is the number 2 or Mo and Jamison are like 2A/2B..but more importantly who is the #1 option on Magic ?

I'm not sure if that question had hidden connotations or not....

[BallsOut]

Depends how you consider what a 2nd option is.

a guy who can give you 20 and 9 on any night? a guy who averages 17 and 8 on the season? thats what Jamison gives the Cavs on a nightly basics. Or a 3rd option like Mo Williams who can give you 15-17 a game? really thats all you need when you have Lebron going off for 34, 8 and 8 in a series.

Did Duncan have a true number two in his title runs? afterall the numbers parker/manu put up was no different to these two.

When you have Lebron james you don't need a true number two you just need guys who step up and hits shots. Cavs still took Orlando to 6 very close games with just Lebron and nothing else..that says alot about Lebron.

Perfectly illustrated in 2007 when the Spurs swept Lebron when he didn't have a #2 option.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Perfectly illustrated in 2007 when the Spurs swept Lebron when he didn't have a #2 option.

Way to prove my point troll :oldlol: all Lebron needs is a few guys who will score when is needed. Hense why Jamison was such a huge pick-up.

[Kingwillball]

I'm not sure if that question had hidden connotations or not....


Im serious is it Carter, Lewis,Nelson,D12 ? Unlike the Cavs They have a Bunch of #2 options but no real #1.

[zORi]

Depends how you consider what a 2nd option is.

a guy who can give you 20 and 9 on any night? a guy who averages 17 and 8 on the season? thats what Jamison gives the Cavs on a nightly basics. Or a 3rd option like Mo Williams who can give you 15-17 a game? really thats all you need when you have Lebron going off for 34, 8 and 8 in a series.

Did Duncan have a true number two in his title runs? afterall the numbers parker/manu put up was no different to these two.

When you have Lebron james you don't need a true number two you just need guys who step up and hits shots. Cavs still took Orlando to 6 very close games with just Lebron and nothing else..that says alot about Lebron.

Has Tawn been putting up those numbers with the Cavs, or was that with Washington?

Mo tends to disappear in the playoffs (although I didn't see the Cavs-Bulls game today, how did he do? I know the Cavs stomped the Bulls thoroughly, though.)

Also, those 6 games weren't that close. 1 of those wins came off of a nearly impossible buzzer beater.

[BallsOut]

Way to prove my point :oldlol: all Lebron needs is a few guys who will score when is needed. Hense why Jamison was such a huge pick-up.

I didn't prove your point Lebron23. I disproved it.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Has Tawn been putting up those numbers with the Cavs, or was that with Washington?

Mo tends to disappear in the playoffs (although I didn't see the Cavs-Bulls game today, how did he do? I know the Cavs stomped the Bulls thoroughly, though.)

Also, those 6 games weren't that close. 1 of those wins came off of a nearly impossible buzzer beater.

Jamison put up 20 and 9 with wizards and close to 17 and 8 with the Cavs while learning the offense. Pretty good if you ask me

Mo Williams has played well in the playoffs so far no doubt he will need to play well to beat the Magic. Luckily this year he no longer has the pressure of being the 2nd option.

game 3 and 4 in Orlando were very close. Cavs were so close to taking that series back to Cleveland 2-2 but missed chances at the end of the game.

Fact is though Jamison's offense will be huge in terms of going toe to toe with Shard. We had nobody who could reply to him on the offensive end. That changes this time.

[zORi]

Im serious is it Carter, Lewis,Nelson,D12 ? Unlike the Cavs They have a Bunch of #2 options but no real #1.

It's mainly Dwight pretty much since the ASG, I'm happy they started giving him the ball more.

They definitely have a clear-cut #1 option. Lewis and Nelson are definitely not, Vince you could argue, but Jameer is just doing what he has to do in this series since Randy can't seem to do anything about it.

[Kingwillball]

Has Tawn been putting up those numbers with the Cavs, or was that with Washington?

Mo tends to disappear in the playoffs (although I didn't see the Cavs-Bulls game today, how did he do? I know the Cavs stomped the Bulls thoroughly, though.)

Also, those 6 games weren't that close. 1 of those wins came off of a nearly impossible buzzer beater.


what wasn't close ? Cavs lead more than the Magic did..every game was close except one.

[Myth]

I've never heard of a team winning a 'ship without a real number 2.



Check 2004. Pistons won a 'ship without any superstar or definitive #2 guy. They had some leadership type guys (e.g., Billups and on the defensive end Ben Wallace) and a whole team that knew exactly what their roles were, but no clear cut #1 and #2 as far as who would take over.

[EllisGW]

Dwight actually helped his team win a game in the finals.


winning one does not mean anything. You don't get any points for winning one game . Its 4 or nothing

[BallsOut]

winning one does not mean anything. You don't get any points for winning one game . Its 4 or nothing

I'm just using the arguments that typical Lebron fans are using.

"Oh but Lebron took his team to the finals in 2007"

"Oh but we took the Celtics to 7 games"

"Oh but the 6 games were so close in the Cavs/Magic ECF"

Oh, but the Cavs still lost. Oh yeah.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Jamison is currently averaging 18 points and 9 rebounds on 49% shooting. That is exactly what Lebron needs and thats all you need out or him along with Mo Williams production. As I said Lebron doesn't need a superstar 2nd option. 18 and 9 is perfect enough.

[Papaya Petee]

Dear LeBron23,

When are you going to stop being the worst poster on this website ( besides PB)? You clearly know the answer to this, yet you ask this because all you ever do is state obvious replys or questions. The answer is clearly LeBron James, yet you ask like you don't know.

Sincerely- Papaya

[zORi]

Jamison put up 20 and 9 with wizards and close to 17 and 8 with the Cavs while learning the offense. Pretty good if you ask me

Mo Williams has played well in the playoffs so far no doubt he will need to play well to beat the Magic. Luckily this year he no longer has the pressure of being the 2nd option.

game 3 and 4 in Orlando were very close. Cavs were so close to taking that series back to Cleveland 2-2 but missed chances at the end of the game.

Fact is though Jamison's offense will be huge in terms of going toe to toe with Shard. We had nobody who could reply to him on the offensive end. That changes this time.

I could argue that games 2 and 5 were very close as well. Especially 2 (although to be fair, 1 was also very close).

I don't know if it was so much that they had no one who could reply to Shard, as it is that they had no one who could defend him correctly. Jamison is not exactly known for his D.

We'll see, though. I'm not claiming that there is a clear cut winner on either side, I just don't think it's as one-sided as everyone else does.

[zORi]

Check 2004. Pistons won a 'ship without any superstar or definitive #2 guy. They had some leadership type guys (e.g., Billups and on the defensive end Ben Wallace) and a whole team that knew exactly what their roles were, but no clear cut #1 and #2 as far as who would take over.

Wasn't it number 1: Rip, Number 2: Chauncey??

[asdf1990]

I could argue that games 2 and 5 were very close as well. Especially 2 (although to be fair, 1 was also very close).

I don't know if it was so much that they had no one who could reply to Shard, as it is that they had no one who could defend him correctly. Jamison is not exactly known for his D.

We'll see, though. I'm not claiming that there is a clear cut winner on either side, I just don't think it's as one-sided as everyone else does.

ya its not as one sided as some people are claiming, i think this year the ecf is gonna be very intense, it should be a great down to the wire 7 game series.

[EllisGW]

I'm just using the arguments that typical Lebron fans are using.

"Oh but Lebron took his team to the finals in 2007"

"Oh but we took the Celtics to 7 games"

"Oh but the 6 games were so close in the Cavs/Magic ECF"

Oh, but the Cavs still lost. Oh yeah.


what is your point? lebron has not won a ring and in other news the sky is blue. Cavs have only had 1 disappointing year which last year. anyone thinks cavs were better than celtics and spurs are crazy.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Perfectly illustrated in 2007 when the Spurs swept Lebron when he didn't have a #2 option.

Well, not only that, but Duncan was still a better player than Lebron in 2007.

But what's this about Jamison not being a legit number 2 option? He had been a consistent 20+ ppg scorer, 8-10 rpg player before the trade, including this year. And Mo Williams is above average for a 3rd option. Their stats don't look as good because of Lebron's ball-dominant style, but they have a legit 1-2-3 scoring punch.

[BallsOut]

Well, not only that, but Duncan was still a better player than Lebron in 2007.

But what's this about Jamison not being a legit number 2 option? He had been a consistent 20+ ppg scorer, 8-10 rpg player before the trade, including this year. And Mo Williams is above average for a 3rd option. Their stats don't look as good because of Lebron's ball-dominant style, but they have a legit 1-2-3 scoring punch.

Jamison is only a legit #2 option when it fits Lebron's fans argument. When the Cavs lose, it'll be because "Oh Jamison wasn't a legit #2".

[King Lebron LBJ]

I could argue that games 2 and 5 were very close as well. Especially 2 (although to be fair, 1 was also very close).

I don't know if it was so much that they had no one who could reply to Shard, as it is that they had no one who could defend him correctly. Jamison is not exactly known for his D.

We'll see, though. I'm not claiming that there is a clear cut winner on either side, I just don't think it's as one-sided as everyone else does.

Oh I agre completely. I think whoever wins that series will win the title. I have thought for a while that the Cavs and Magic are the best two teams in the NBA. I don't think L.A are anywhere near as strong as last year.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Jamison is only a legit #2 option when it fits Lebron's fans argument. When the Cavs lose, it'll be because "Oh Jamison wasn't a legit #2".

Please, all logical Lebron/Cavs fans have stated there are no excuses this year. Lebron finally has a good cast around him and a 2nd option who can give you 20 and 10 on any given night and a soild 3rd option. There is no excuse this year.

[asdf1990]

Jamison is only a legit #2 option when it fits Lebron's fans argument. When the Cavs lose, it'll be because "Oh Jamison wasn't a legit #2".

why are u such a hater. please link me to 3 games this past 2 seasons where the cavs have lost because of lebron.

[zORi]

Oh I agre completely. I think whoever wins that series will win the title. I have thought for a while that the Cavs and Magic are the best two teams in the NBA. I don't think L.A are anywhere near as strong as last year.

Same here.

LA just isn't the same as last year, they are lacking a lot of consistency/desire.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if they didn't even make it out the West.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Same here.

LA just isn't the same as last year, they are lacking a lot of consistency/desire.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if they didn't even make it out the West.

I think people forget how key Trevor Ariza's shooting and scoring was in the playoffs last year. Mainly against Orlando.

[zORi]

I think people forget how key Trevor Ariza's shooting and scoring was in the playoffs last year. Mainly against Orlando.

LOL, I know I haven't forgotten.

I think the Lakers have all the tools needed to win, but I just don't think they want it as bad as some of the other teams anymore. I can't count how many times I've seen them out there showing a lack of effort.

Every team has their off games (some more frequently than others), but there is just no excuse for a lack of trying.

[King Lebron LBJ]

LOL, I know I haven't forgotten.

I think the Lakers have all the tools needed to win, but I just don't think they want it as bad as some of the other teams anymore. I can't count how many times I've seen them out there showing a lack of effort.

Every team has their off games (some more frequently than others), but there is just no excuse for a lack of trying.

They havn't looked good since before the all-star break. I think the fact they have struggled to beat the elite has showed alot about their motivation compared to last year.

[Duncan21formvp]

Well Dwight beat Lebron head to head a year when Lebron won league mvp and this when Lebron had HCA and the superior team.

[Duncan21formvp]

Last year everyone picked Dwight over Bron when the Magic beat the Cavs in the Conference Finals.
Agreed!

[bigkingsfan]

I'd choose Zach Randolph for upsetting #1 seed Duncan't

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd choose Zach Randolph for upsetting #1 seed Duncan't
:oldlol:

[Duncan21formvp]

I'd choose Zach Randolph for upsetting #1 seed Duncan't
Except that Duncan didn't win mvp that year. Lebron won MVP and lost to Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard never beat anyone else.

[bigkingsfan]

Except that Duncan didn't win mvp that year. Lebron won MVP and lost to Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard never beat anyone else.
Zachary Randolph has 0 all star and the entire franchise never even won a playoff game. :confusedshrug:

[Duncan21formvp]

Zachary Randolph has 0 all star and the entire franchise never even won a playoff game. :confusedshrug:
That just means Lebron lost to Zach Randolph as well since he got the **** beat out of him by me badly multiple times and needed a superstar to save him in Ray Allen when he even had Peak Wade and Bosh as well on the squad.

[bigkingsfan]

That just means Lebron lost to Zach Randolph as well since he got the **** beat out of him by me badly multiple times and needed a superstar to save him in Ray Allen when he even had Peak Wade and Bosh as well on the squad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSByXfL4dU

[SouBeachTalents]

That just means Lebron lost to Zach Randolph as well since he got the **** beat out of him by me badly multiple times and needed a superstar to save him in Ray Allen when he even had Peak Wade and Bosh as well on the squad.
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[SpaceJam]

https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

Legit any other top 10 player misses that shot and they getting DRAGGED. This love affair with Duncan has to stop

[Duncan21formvp]

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If I am in game in game 6 then Ray Allen doesn't save Lebron's ass.

[SouBeachTalents]

If I am in game in game 6 then Ray Allen doesn't save Lebron's ass.
No excuses, make a god damn layup