if cavs lose due to lebrons elbow, will he resign out of guilt?

[Knicksfever2010]

the cavs look very mediocre last night and if 'brons teamates are gonna play like marginal players, the cavs simply wont get out of the eastern conference. Will lebron feel bad about not being at his best, and resign out of guilt? or will that not enter into his equation?

[Batz]

Hello new york!

[branslowski]

"Due to LeBrons elbow"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Pha Q]

the cavs look very mediocre last night and if 'brons teamates are gonna play like marginal players, the cavs simply wont get out of the eastern conference. Will lebron feel bad about not being at his best, and resign out of guilt? or will that not enter into his equation?


You must be the BIGGEST idiot on the face of earth.....go jump off a cliff already :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[bladefd]

I hate these types of threads, but I have to comment on it.

Cavs are not losing due to LeBron's elbow. His elbow looks absolutely fine; people quickly forget how LeBron went up for huge MONSTER blocks with his hurt right elbow (he actually squatted the ball once completely OUT OF THE SKY with his usual beast block). LeBron shoots free-throws with his normal hand (against the Bulls, they had a BIG lead with no time left for Bulls to come back and win. only then did LeBron shoot with his left hand due to 'hurt' right elbow). If they lose the series, it will NOT be due to LeBron or his elbow. It will be due to LeBron's teammates and the Celtics playing very good almost out of their minds. Period.

Somebody needs to take my post and sticky it so people stop using LeBron's elbow as an excuse if the Cavs end up losing or even if they end up winning, people will say "OH LeBron was real badly hurt, but he willed his team to victory just like Michael Jordan with the 103 degree fever/flu and entire body hurting and extreme dehydration."

Lets not get carried away here, fellows. :cheers:

[Cannonball]

I hate these types of threads, but I have to comment on it.

Cavs are not losing due to LeBron's elbow. His elbow looks absolutely fine; people quickly forget how LeBron went up for huge MONSTER blocks with his hurt right elbow (he actually squatted the ball once completely OUT OF THE SKY with his usual beast block). LeBron shoots free-throws with his normal hand (against the Bulls, they had a BIG lead with no time left for Bulls to come back and win. only then did LeBron shoot with his left hand due to 'hurt' right elbow). If they lose the series, it will NOT be due to LeBron or his elbow. It will be due to LeBron's teammates and the Celtics playing very good almost out of their minds. Period.

Somebody needs to take my post and sticky it so people stop using LeBron's elbow as an excuse if the Cavs end up losing or even if they end up winning, people will say "OH LeBron was real badly hurt, but he willed his team to victory just like Michael Jordan with the 103 degree fever/flu and entire body hurting and extreme dehydration."

Lets not get carried away here, fellows. :cheers:

unless lebron is choking and he has no history of that...

his elbow is causing problems

[RazorBaLade]

I hate these types of threads, but I have to comment on it.

Cavs are not losing due to LeBron's elbow. His elbow looks absolutely fine; people quickly forget how LeBron went up for huge MONSTER blocks with his hurt right elbow (he actually squatted the ball once completely OUT OF THE SKY with his usual beast block). LeBron shoots free-throws with his normal hand (against the Bulls, they had a BIG lead with no time left for Bulls to come back and win. only then did LeBron shoot with his left hand due to 'hurt' right elbow). If they lose the series, it will NOT be due to LeBron or his elbow. It will be due to LeBron's teammates and the Celtics playing very good almost out of their minds. Period.

Somebody needs to take my post and sticky it so people stop using LeBron's elbow as an excuse if the Cavs end up losing or even if they end up winning, people will say "OH LeBron was real badly hurt, but he willed his team to victory just like Michael Jordan with the 103 degree fever/flu and entire body hurting and extreme dehydration."

Lets not get carried away here, fellows. :cheers:

due to lebrons teammates lol.. If dirk loses he choked and his teammates are good enough to get out of the 1st round, if cavs lose lebron played great and his teammates are not good enough to get to the finals.

[EastCaliChillin]

if cavs lose due to lebrons elbow
:lol :lol

Talk about scapegoat, I guess when he went full speed and blocked the hell out of tony allen. Hitting the hell out of the backboard his elbow was fine.

Lebron "Drama King" James

[SsKSpurs21]

due to lebrons teammates lol.. If dirk loses he choked and his teammates are good enough to get out of the 1st round, if cavs lose lebron played great and his teammates are not good enough to get to the finals.

gotta love how things work sometimes eh? :cheers: :rolleyes:

[LA KB24]

He just wants attention.

[FCN]

:lol :lol

Talk about scapegoat, I guess when he went full speed and blocked the hell out of tony allen. Hitting the hell out of the backboard his elbow was fine.

Lebron "Drama King" James

He can do that just fine, it's not like he can't move his arm.

Thing is, he can move it all he wants, it just hurts to do so. One explosive play going up for a block or a dunk he will do it through the pain.

Pain like this is obviously going to make him more hesitant to shoot though, and will of course effect his shot as well.

[Jasper]

Cav's won't loss the series because of Lebron's injuried elbow ,

if they loss it's because he just had a new tatoo put on the elbow.

ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT SAYS ?

[EastCaliChillin]

He can do that just fine, it's not like he can't move his arm.

Thing is, he can move it all he wants, it just hurts to do so. One explosive play going up for a block or a dunk he will do it through the pain.

Pain like this is obviously going to make him more hesitant to shoot though, and will of course effect his shot as well.
So your calling Lebron retarded?

Your telling me his elbow is hurting him but he will risk messing it up much worse for a block? When you are the best player on your team? Either hes not hurting or he is just the dumbest player in the NBA

[lilgodfather1]

**** his elbow. I am never critical of LeBron, so when I say this I think it holds a lot of weight compared to some hater. LeBron is being a big puss/y bitc.h in this series, the whole entire team is. I don't think the Cavs deserve to win this series the way they are playing. Sure they won game one, I don't care about that. I would have been okay with the Cavs losing the game if they even looked like they cared about basketball. LeBron will never be any thing like Mike, he will never even reach Kobes level because he will never win a championship as the best player, he can't he just doesn't have the love for the game and the hate of losing that those two players do/did. I hope LeBron goes to another team it would be best for the Cavs, that way we can rebuild the right way and draft guys who actually care about playing basketball.

[RazorBaLade]

**** his elbow. I am never critical of LeBron, so when I say this I think it holds a lot of weight compared to some hater. LeBron is being a big puss/y bitc.h in this series, the whole entire team is. I don't think the Cavs deserve to win this series the way they are playing. Sure they won game one, I don't care about that. I would have been okay with the Cavs losing the game if they even looked like they cared about basketball. LeBron will never be any thing like Mike, he will never even reach Kobes level because he will never win a championship as the best player, he can't he just doesn't have the love for the game and the hate of losing that those two players do/did. I hope LeBron goes to another team it would be best for the Cavs, that way we can rebuild the right way and draft guys who actually care about playing basketball.

I'm impressed, we found the 1 fan of Cleveland

[EastCaliChillin]

**** his elbow. I am never critical of LeBron, so when I say this I think it holds a lot of weight compared to some hater. LeBron is being a big puss/y bitc.h in this series, the whole entire team is. I don't think the Cavs deserve to win this series the way they are playing. Sure they won game one, I don't care about that. I would have been okay with the Cavs losing the game if they even looked like they cared about basketball. LeBron will never be any thing like Mike, he will never even reach Kobes level because he will never win a championship as the best player, he can't he just doesn't have the love for the game and the hate of losing that those two players do/did. I hope LeBron goes to another team it would be best for the Cavs, that way we can rebuild the right way and draft guys who actually care about playing basketball.
I'm in utter shock. :eek: :eek:
Can't believe what i'm hearing form one of Lebrons biggest fan boys

[LA KB24]

**** his elbow. I am never critical of LeBron, so when I say this I think it holds a lot of weight compared to some hater. LeBron is being a big puss/y bitc.h in this series, the whole entire team is. I don't think the Cavs deserve to win this series the way they are playing. Sure they won game one, I don't care about that. I would have been okay with the Cavs losing the game if they even looked like they cared about basketball. LeBron will never be any thing like Mike, he will never even reach Kobes level because he will never win a championship as the best player, he can't he just doesn't have the love for the game and the hate of losing that those two players do/did. I hope LeBron goes to another team it would be best for the Cavs, that way we can rebuild the right way and draft guys who actually care about playing basketball.
:applause: :cheers:

[crisoner]

Wow...Cavs fans are already jumping off?

[FCN]

So your calling Lebron retarded?

Your telling me his elbow is hurting him but he will risk messing it up much worse for a block? When you are the best player on your team? Either hes not hurting or he is just the dumbest player in the NBA

It's a bone bruise. He is not going to "mess it up", or cause actual physical damage by doing something like that. It just hurts, but there is nothing really structurally wrong with it.

[lilgodfather1]

I'm not that mad at LeBron, but the elbow is a BS excuse. I admit I was saying that it was obviously hurting in the elbow thread earlier, but that is lame to me. I don't believe that it can hurt that badly, FFS Ben Wallace broke his leg last year and continued to play the rest of the half. I saw no effort last night from any players other than JJ HIckson. Mo is a shooter, that is his job. He was 1-9 or something pathetic like that, he allowed Rondo to drive at will, if Mo is not producing points he is lterally useless as a basketball player. Shaq WTF was he doing out there, I have no idea personally. It is not the amount of points we lost by, I couldn't care less about a single loss, but championship teams look like they enjoy basketball when they are playing it, the Cavs did not.

[lilgodfather1]

It's a bone bruise. He is not going to "mess it up", or cause actual physical damage by doing something like that. It just hurts, but there is nothing really structurally wrong with it.
Can't it lead to an arthritic elbow though? Either way he is being a huge *****.

[crisoner]

http://sportpops.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Lebron_Knicks.jpg

[LA KB24]

http://sportpops.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Lebron_Knicks.jpg
D.Stern is fapping to this right now

[PleezeBelieve]

Imagine if LeBron played for the Knicks, p*ssy-footing it the way he's doing now.

He'd get ROASTED!!!

Cavs media coddles him. Hence why he doesn't need to go to that team. If he can't win here, he won't win there. Has nothing to do with teammates. LeBron is a sucka. An very arrogant one at that.

[Jasper]

I'm not that mad at LeBron, but the elbow is a BS excuse. I admit I was saying that it was obviously hurting in the elbow thread earlier, but that is lame to me. I don't believe that it can hurt that badly, FFS Ben Wallace broke his leg last year and continued to play the rest of the half. I saw no effort last night from any players other than JJ HIckson. Mo is a shooter, that is his job. He was 1-9 or something pathetic like that, he allowed Rondo to drive at will, if Mo is not producing points he is lterally useless as a basketball player. Shaq WTF was he doing out there, I have no idea personally. It is not the amount of points we lost by, I couldn't care less about a single loss, but championship teams look like they enjoy basketball when they are playing it, the Cavs did not.
I have no problems with your comments if you ever injuried or bruised your elbow. Did you ?

I have , and it's not only a numbing effect it is painful when you lift objects etc ... It took about 3 months for my arm to feel 100% correct.
IMO I don't think its a bruise , I think he has a slight fracture , and the Cav's are not letting on he has an injury.
The only question I have is why aren't the rest of the Cav's stepping up and playing like men ? They look like little leaguers waiting for some kind of rescue. :oldlol:

If anyone has noticed KG is playing pretty good , and he looks committed.
(He's either letting it all hang out, or maybe he is over the knee injury and back to his old self) Cav's better get JJ or Andy on him , otherwise he could be the difference in this series.

[Fallguy20]

You sound like the kid who has a room full of Lebron gear and is wondering about the future over something that isnt even past the now yet. See how things play out and then worry.

[chazzy]

IMO I don't think its a bruise , I think he has a slight fracture , and the Cav's are not letting on he has an injury.
:wtf:

[CeoTypeDoe619]

I have no problems with your comments if you ever injuried or bruised your elbow. Did you ?

I have , and it's not only a numbing effect it is painful when you lift objects etc ... It took about 3 months for my arm to feel 100% correct.
IMO I don't think its a bruise , I think he has a slight fracture , and the Cav's are not letting on he has an injury.
The only question I have is why aren't the rest of the Cav's stepping up and playing like men ? They look like little leaguers waiting for some kind of rescue. :oldlol:

If anyone has noticed KG is playing pretty good , and he looks committed.
(He's either letting it all hang out, or maybe he is over the knee injury and back to his old self) Cav's better get JJ or Andy on him , otherwise he could be the difference in this series.
This has to be the biggest type of homerism on this board.

[Fatal9]

I think "guilt" is the only reason he will come back. The entire state of Ohio is trying to shame him into resigning, playing the whole "we don't know what we will do without Lebron" angle with puppy dog eyes. It's pathetic but sadly it will probably work because Lebron doesn't have it in him to become a villain in his home state.

[KenneBell]

This has to be the biggest type of homerism on this board.
Hasn't LBJ had multiple MRI's on his elbow since he injured it? They would have picked that up.

Personally, I think it might be bothering him but it's nothing serious.

[Doranku]

It's pretty funny, these same Cavs fans who are blaming LeBron's poor play for his 'elbow injury' are the same clowns who accuse Kobe's injuries as being 'fake' and 'overblown', or 'used as a way for Kobe stans to make excuses for his poor play', yet they're doing the exact same thing.

Hilarious.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

if the cavs lose, it'll be because they played a superior opponent in the boston celtics. nothing more, nothing less...

[bisk]

If Lebron's elbow would've really hurt, he wouldn't have done that monster chasedown black last night.:confusedshrug:
He needs to stop that shit and man up.

[niko]

I don't think it matters at all in his decision.

[zizozain]

This has to be the biggest type of homerism on this board.
he means the injury is more serious than it sounds .
and i think it is serious because he said : i'm fine, it doesn't hurt.
no way the cavs will release news like this in playoffs time
if it wasn't serious injury he wud say so and nothing will happen
but serious injuries mean
1- less playing time and games
2- player/team/nba/media will lose some $
3- questionable future (is he going to be the same Lebron after sergery)
4- psychological effects
5- less cameras and attention :violin:

[zizozain]

Hasn't LBJ had multiple MRI's on his elbow since he injured it? They would have picked that up.

Personally, I think it might be bothering him but it's nothing serious.
see post above .. no way cavs will release such news in playoffs time

[CeoTypeDoe619]

he means the injury is more serious than it sounds .
and i think it is serious because he said : i'm fine, it doesn't hurt.
no way the cavs will release news like this in playoffs time
if it wasn't serious injury he wud say so and nothing will happen
but serious injuries mean
1- less playing time and games
2- player/team/nba/media will lose some $
3- questionable future (is he going to be the same Lebron after sergery)
4- psychological effects
5- less cameras and attention :violin:
Lebron just wants to look like a hero. Everybody knows hes the Drama King.
If it is hurt he wouldnt have blocked the hell out of tony allen yesterday slapping the hell out the backboard

[zizozain]

Lebron just wants to look like a hero. Everybody knows hes the Drama King.
If it is hurt he wouldnt have blocked the hell out of tony allen yesterday slapping the hell out the backboard
players can do things while hurt ..
kobe is playing with some injuries and he still can get things done

[Indian guy]

It's pretty funny, these same Cavs fans who are blaming LeBron's poor play for his 'elbow injury' are the same clowns who accuse Kobe's injuries as being 'fake' and 'overblown', or 'used as a way for Kobe stans to make excuses for his poor play', yet they're doing the exact same thing.

Hilarious.

No, what's hilarious is Kobe fans who bring up his injuries every 2 seconds, yet can't stand it when somebody besides their boy is hurt too. I can understand the haters' anger though. LeBron's ridiculous consistency has deprived the haters of ever having a legitimate reason to hate on him to begin with(they still do any way, must protect Kobe after all), but now that LeBron finally did have an off night, haters still can't celebrate like Christmas...because clearly something is not right with LeBron. And deep down, they know it. LeBron didn't magically get worse overnight after hurting himself in Game 4 of the previous series. He's hurt.

[Clocian-IGN]

lol if and when the cavs lose it will be because they are simply a one man team.

[RazorBaLade]

Looks like Kobe is making his way back to being Number 1 with a ring this year.

[Fallguy20]

I hate the word choice here but why would he do such a thing? Its a buisness.

[Replay32]

I think lebron is hurting, but I think it is something he can get through. I had a weird elbow injury when I was in the 9th grade and I still don't know exactly what was wrong. The doctors couldn't find anything wrong, but I would get a sharp pain in my elbow and my whole lower part of my arm would get numb. It would just happen out of the blue after I would shoot the ball. It happened after I hit my funny bone on the edge of a table hella hard. I played with the injury all throughout high school, but I was never the same. And to this day I have no idea what it was. Maybe is was nerve damage.

But Lebron is a great player who just happened to have a bad game. The cavs have to play better, but it isn't like this is the 1st team to split the 1st 2 games at home. Even the lakers split against houston and denver last year. The cavs may lose this series but splitting at home is no reason to panic. It happens all the time every single year. The cavs just have to play better, harder and make the right adjustments.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Looks like Kobe is making his way back to being Number 1 with a ring this year.
Forget at ring, If Lebron keeps playing like this he will fall couple slots

[Doranku]

No, what's hilarious is Kobe fans who bring up his injuries every 2 seconds, yet can't stand it when somebody besides their boy is hurt too. I can understand the haters' anger though. LeBron's ridiculous consistency has deprived the haters of ever having a legitimate reason to hate on him to begin with(they still do any way, must protect Kobe after all), but now that LeBron finally did have an off night, haters still can't celebrate like Christmas...because clearly something is not right with LeBron. And deep down, they know it. LeBron didn't magically get worse overnight after hurting himself in Game 4 of the previous series. He's hurt.

:oldlol: Right, it's just oh so clear. His elbow is hurting so badly that he's still jacking 5 threes a game. Must be killing him. Him having a poor game in game 2 had nothing to do with the Celtics playing great defense by cutting off his lanes and rotating well. It's all because of his poor elbow. :cry:

[CeoTypeDoe619]

:oldlol: Right, it's just oh so clear. His elbow is hurting so badly that he's still jacking 5 threes a game. Must be killing him. Him having a poor game in game 2 had nothing to do with the Celtics playing great defense by cutting off his lanes and rotating well. It's all because of his poor elbow. :cry:
Lebron Stans. NO RING FOR THE "KING"
:lol

[zizozain]

i agree .. and i'm a laker fan
his numbers :

.... vs. Bulls ...... vs. Celtics
16'-23' ..... 13-29 ----- 1-3

3-pt ...... 13-24 ------ 3-10

Pct Made FG ...... 47.3 ------ 21.1

[RazorBaLade]

Forget at ring, If Lebron keeps playing like this he will fall couple slots

Yeah true that.

[HeyMarkus]

So your calling Lebron retarded?

Your telling me his elbow is hurting him but he will risk messing it up much worse for a block? When you are the best player on your team? Either hes not hurting or he is just the dumbest player in the NBA

no, youre a ****in idiot. sorry, wrong.

doctors said nothing is structurally wrong and it cant be injured any worse than it already is.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

no, youre a ****in idiot. sorry, wrong.

doctors said nothing is structurally wrong and it cant be injured any worse than it already is.
And you are the retard. The doctor said its just a bruise. Lebron said it doesnt hurt . If we call this a injury 90% of the players left are injured, Lol @ Bruise :oldlol:

So come up with better excuses for LeDrama James

[Real Men Wear Green]

**** his elbow. I am never critical of LeBron, so when I say this I think it holds a lot of weight compared to some hater. LeBron is being a big puss/y bitc.h in this series, the whole entire team is. I don't think the Cavs deserve to win this series the way they are playing. Sure they won game one, I don't care about that. I would have been okay with the Cavs losing the game if they even looked like they cared about basketball. LeBron will never be any thing like Mike, he will never even reach Kobes level because he will never win a championship as the best player, he can't he just doesn't have the love for the game and the hate of losing that those two players do/did. I hope LeBron goes to another team it would be best for the Cavs, that way we can rebuild the right way and draft guys who actually care about playing basketball.
What did the Cavs accomplish before James, and what makes you think they can do more after James? Better be careful what you wish for. We're talking about a once in a generation player, the best perimeter player since the Bull Jordan. It's not his fault the media won't shut up about the elbow. But even if it was, Cavs need to keep thisd guy desperately no matter what. If he walks they're going to suck and quickly, Jamison is not going to carry that bunch anywhere.

[Kingwillball]

Listen Folks..Lebron Played Terrible yesterday because he was Passive and lackadaisical and disinterested. I mean He still shot 7-15 From the Field..it is not like he was 1-15. The part that Shocked me yesterday was when the Celts Extended the Lead in the 3rd qtr he didn't try to attack and regain some Control of game..He sat by an passively watched as the lead grew to 25..that is not the Lebron I know and that was the alarming part. I can't wait to see Fri night which Lebron and Cavs team show up..I would be shocked if lebron didn't have one of those 40,8,8 type games.

[Underballer]

y'all must have lost your mind :bowdown:

[bluechox]

Listen Folks..Lebron Played Terrible yesterday because he was Passive and lackadaisical and disinterested. I mean He still shot 7-15 From the Field..it is not like he was 1-15. The part that Shocked me yesterday was when the Celts Extended the Lead in the 3rd qtr he didn't try to attack and regain some Control of game..He sat by an passively watched as the lead grew to 25..that is not the Lebron I know and that was the alarming part. I can't wait to see Fri night which Lebron and Cavs team show up..I would be shocked if lebron didn't have one of those 40,8,8 type games.

i see you attend the school of walt clyde fraizer. You must be ace'ing those vocab tests. :lol

[CeoTypeDoe619]

unless lebron is choking and he has no history of that...

his elbow is causing problems
2007 Finals Lebron says hi

[Meticode]

Cleveland Rocks!

[jdem]

2007 Finals Lebron says hi

Or the 2004 and 2005 LeBron that couldn't even get his team to the playoffs

Or the 2006 LeBron that choked in the 2nd round

Or the 2008 LeBron that choked in the 2nd round

Or the 2009 LeBron that choked in the ECFs

Or the 2010 LeBron that choked in the _____ (will fill when Cavs are eliminated)

[Lebron23]

LeBron would resign with Cavaliers. Cavs are gonna win in Game 3.

[Lebron23]

Or the 2004 and 2005 LeBron that couldn't even get his team to the playoffs

Or the 2006 LeBron that choked in the 2nd round

Or the 2008 LeBron that choked in the 2nd round

Or the 2009 LeBron that choked in the ECFs

Or the 2010 LeBron that choked in the _____ (will fill when Cavs are eliminated)


F*ck you Kobe fanboy.

[jdem]

F*ck you Kobe fanboy.

I'm not a Kobe fanboy but at least Kobe is a winner. LeBron has done nothing but lose important basketball games for the last 7 years.

[Lebron23]

I'm not a Kobe fanboy but at least Kobe is a winner. LeBron has done nothing but lose important basketball games for the last 7 years.


You are a Kobe N*thugger dumb @$$. Please remember that Jordan and Shaq won their first NBA titles in their late 20's.

Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time. Moses Malone and Bob Pettit are greater than Kobe.

[Mikaiel]

Or the 2004 and 2005 LeBron that couldn't even get his team to the playoffs

Or the 2006 LeBron that choked in the 2nd round

Or the 2008 LeBron that choked in the 2nd round

Or the 2009 LeBron that choked in the ECFs

Or the 2010 LeBron that choked in the _____ (will fill when Cavs are eliminated)

2006 was his 1st time in the playoffs. At one point, people thought the Pistons would win over 70 games. They had been to the Finals the two previous years. And yet the Cavs were one rebound away from upsetting them in 6 games. How is that a choke ?

In 2008 the Cavs gave the Celtics their toughest series, by far. And no one expected them to win the series, or even take them to 7 games. How is that a choke ?

And are you seriously blaming LeBron for the ECF fiasco last year ? Come on. :violin:

[CeoTypeDoe619]

You are a Kobe N*thugger dumb @$$. Please remember that Jordan and Shaq won their first NBA titles in their late 20's.

Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time. Moses Malone and Bob Pettit are greater than Kobe.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[west]

You are a Kobe N*thugger dumb @$$. Please remember that Jordan and Shaq won their first NBA titles in their late 20's.

Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time. Moses Malone and Bob Pettit are greater than Kobe.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[jdem]

You are a Kobe N*thugger dumb @$$. Please remember that Jordan and Shaq won their first NBA titles in their late 20's.

They also spent 4 years in college :rolleyes:


Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time.

That argument can be made. All I'm saying is that he's better than LeBron, clearly.


Kobe "The Rapist" Bryant.

Kobe's mistress:

http://katelynfaber.humanarchives.org/media/cache/faber250.jpg

Kobe's wife:

http://hotsportwives.com/images/vanessa-bryant-pic_bcjb.jpg

LeBron's wife:

http://photos.indystar.com/photos/2009/9/16/310071/show.jpg

LOL. Kobe is the clear victor here as well.

[Lebron23]

LeBron is 7 years younger than Kobe. The MuddaF*cker won his first NBA Finals MVP in his early 30's.

[jdem]

The MuddaF*cker won his first NBA Finals MVP in his early 30's.

Wow you're right! It's amazing that a player who's been in the league for 12 years can still be so dominant. He is truly something special. Maybe he can let LeBron borrow some of his Finals MVP trophies and championship rings for the next MTV Cribs.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

LeBron is 7 years younger than Kobe. The MuddaF*cker won his first NBA Finals MVP in his early 30's.
Lebron WILL NEVER EVER EVER Have a as good resume as Kobe.


What happens when he gets knocked out of the playoffs this year by celtics in the 2nd round?

He Will be labeled as a stat padding black Dirk Nowitzki :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Lebron WILL NEVER EVER EVER Have a as good resume as Kobe.


What happens when he gets knocked out of the playoffs this year by celtics in the 2nd round?

He Will be labeled as a stat padding black Dirk Nowitzki :oldlol:


1x NBA Finals MVP, and 1x Regular Season MVP

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Scottie Pippen (6x NBA Champion) and John Havlicek (8x NBA Champion) >>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.


Moses Malone - 3x NBA MVP, 1x NBA Finals MVP
Bob Pettit - 3x NBA MVP, Winning an NBA title as the best player on his team.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[jdem]

1x NBA Finals MVP, and 1x Regular Season MVP

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Moses Malone - 3x NBA MVP, 1x NBA Finals MVP
Bob Pettit - 3x NBA MVP, Winning an NBA title as the best player on his team.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBron James: 0x NBA Finals MVP, 0x NBA Champion, 2x NBA MVP.
Steve Nash: 0x NBA Finals MVP, 0x NBA Champion, 2x NBA MVP.

I'd say they are about equal, with the edge going to Steve Nash.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

1x NBA Finals MVP, and 1x Regular Season MVP

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Moses Malone - 3x NBA MVP, 1x NBA Finals MVP
Bob Pettit - 3x NBA MVP, Winning an NBA title as the best player on his team.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Idk whats more delusional you thinking Cavaliers are going to beat boston, orlando and lakers. Or you thinking Moses Malone, Pettit are better then Kobe. Bet you they dont even think they're better then him
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Idk whats more delusional you thinking Cavaliers are going to beat boston, orlando and lakers. Or you thinking Moses Malone, Pettit are better then Kobe. Bet you they dont even think they're better then him
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Jazz and the Hawks are currently the 2 worst playoffs team in the NBA. A Bogut less Bucks almost beat the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Jazz and the Hawks are currently the 2 worst playoffs team in the NBA. A Bogut less Bucks almost beat the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs.
Really their worse then the Chicago Bulls who shouldn't have made the playoffs? As a counterpart please dont take it out on yourself when Lebrick gets knocked out in the 2nd round. "The Black Dirk Nowitzki" will be his nickname if he does

[Lebron23]

Really their worse then the Chicago Bulls who shouldn't have made the playoffs? As a counterpart please dont take it out on yourself when Lebrick gets knocked out in the 2nd round. "The Black Dirk Nowitzki" will be his nickname if he does


LMAO

[Mikaiel]

1x NBA Finals MVP, and 1x Regular Season MVP


Come on, don't hate on Kobe.

During their three-peat playoff runs he averaged :

'00 : 30.7 points / 56.6 FG% / 15.4 rebounds / 3.1 assists / 2.4 blocks
'01 : 30.4 points / 55.5 FG% / 15.4 rebounds / 3.2 assists / 2.4 blocks
'02 : 28.5 points / 52.9 FG% / 12.6 rebounds / 2.8 assists / 2.5 blocks

Wait, that was Shaq :hammerhead: Sorry :ohwell:

[jdem]

Jazz and the Hawks are currently the 2 worst playoffs team in the NBA. A Bogut less Bucks almost beat the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs.

You're good at this, mind coming up with a few excuses I could use when I call in sick from work? You make almost as many excuses defending LeBron as LeBron makes defending his chokes (elbow, teammates, etc)

[jdem]

Come on, don't hate on Kobe.

During their three-peat playoff runs he averaged :

'00 : 30.7 points / 56.6 FG% / 15.4 rebounds / 3.1 assists / 2.4 blocks
'01 : 30.4 points / 55.5 FG% / 15.4 rebounds / 3.2 assists / 2.4 blocks
'02 : 28.5 points / 52.9 FG% / 12.6 rebounds / 2.8 assists / 2.5 blocks

Wait, that was Shaq :hammerhead: Sorry :ohwell:

Shaq is awesome! So awesome that CLE brought him in to get LeBron a ring. Too bad LeBron's chucking/bricking/choking/ballhogging antics won't allow him to get him a ring even WITH Shaq.

[Lebron23]

Shaq is awesome! So awesome that CLE brought him in to get LeBron a ring. Too bad LeBron's chucking/bricking/choking/ballhogging antics won't allow him to get him a ring even WITH Shaq.


Kobe is a ball hog.

John Havlicek (8x NBA Champion, 1x NBA Finals MVP) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest 2nd scoring option in NBA History.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Kobe is a ball hog.

John Havlicek (8x NBA Champion, 1x NBA Finals MVP) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest 2nd scoring option in NBA History.
:roll: :roll:

81 says hi. 60 more times then Mj says hi :oldlol:

[jdem]

Kobe is a ball hog.

True, he's hogging a couple of nice ones here:

http://www.7milesdown.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kobe4rings.jpg

Keep hating, Kobe will keep winning, King James will keep choking.

[LA KB24]

You are a Kobe N*thugger dumb @$$. Please remember that Jordan and Shaq won their first NBA titles in their late 20's.

Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time. Moses Malone and Bob Pettit are greater than Kobe.
Wow, just wow.

[StacksOnDeck]

So Kobe is playing with a bad knee and two broken fingers, Utah playing hurt, Deron hurt and I'm supposed to feel bad because of Lebron's elbow?

[Lebron23]

Wow, just wow.

He is still a top 15 players of all time.

[jdem]

So Kobe is playing with a bad knee and two broken fingers, Utah playing hurt, Deron hurt and I'm supposed to feel bad because of Lebron's elbow?

Yes because LeBron complains more than Kobe and DWill... he wants your sympathy.

[Mikaiel]

Too bad LeBron's chucking

LeBron's FGA per 36 minutes the last five years : 18.5, 19.0, 18.5, 18.3, 19.5
Kobe's FGA per 36 minutes the last five years : 19.9, 20.8, 19.1, 20.1, 23.9


bricking

Yeah, he bricked so many shots this year he averaged 50+ FG%. :ohwell:


ballhogging

LeBron is one of the most unselfish superstars in the league ...

[CeoTypeDoe619]

He is still a top 8 players of all time.
Fixed

[jdem]

LeBron's FGA per 36 minutes the last five years : 18.5, 19.0, 18.5, 18.3, 19.5
Kobe's FGA per 36 minutes the last five years : 19.9, 20.8, 19.1, 20.1, 23.9



Yeah, he bricked so many shots this year he averaged 50+ FG%. :ohwell:



LeBron is one of the most unselfish superstars in the league ...

Stats are misleading... LeBron only chucks and chokes when important games are on the line... as evident by the fact that the guy hasn't won anything besides two popularity contests.

[Mikaiel]

Fixed

In no particular order :

Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
MJ
Bird
Magic

All those guys are without a doubt better than Kobe.

Then I'd have Hakeem at No.9.

Kobe is No.10.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

In no particular order :

Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
MJ
Bird
Magic

All those guys are without a doubt better than Kobe.

Then I'd have Hakeem at No.9.

Kobe is No.10.

Better? NO!
Greater careers? Yes

[Mikaiel]

Stats are misleading... LeBron only chucks and chokes when important games are on the line...

You're even more retarded than I thought.

[chazzy]

Kobe is a ball hog.

John Havlicek (8x NBA Champion, 1x NBA Finals MVP) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest 2nd scoring option in NBA History.

Drunk? You kept saying Kobe was top 10 this past year, why bring the hate tonight? :oldlol:

[Mikaiel]

Better? NO!
Greater careers? Yes

OMG. Who is Kobe better than in this list ?

Are you kidding me ? :hammerhead:

[jdem]

OMG. Who is Kobe better than in this list ?

Are you kidding me ? :hammerhead:

Russell, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Bird.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

OMG. Who is Kobe better than in this list ?

Are you kidding me ? :hammerhead:
Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Russell

[Semi]

seriously, you guys. stop hating here. it's just like in kindergarten!
just focus on the facts, not what the media is trying to sell you and watch some ****ing games!
if you did so, you'd have seen lebron playin very poorly in game 2 despite havin ok-numbers. he played passiv, especally in the 3rd quater were his team desperetly needed a run to compete. but he didn't deliver that time. so we have to wait to see if this was a one time outing from lebron or if he will continue his poor play (by his standarts). if he does continue playin weak, i actually could think of him beeing injured and distracted. think about it, lebron never really got injured and he isnt used to. and it's sure that some people are better fit playing injured than others, and if lebrons really injured he has to find a way to be effective as well or the cavs season is over. but if he has a bounce-back game in game 3 i think he had just an off-night. we have to wait how the series plays out, but no ****ing way the cavs can demloish the cavs like in game 2 if lebron is playing his normal level of basketball like 30-8-8.
and to the kobe-lebron discussion. both are great players and everybody who hates on some of them is in lebrons case because the media is absolutly ridicoulous on him. but thats not his fault. and in kobes case they hate because of his history as a ballhog or so, but he has proved to be a winner, and this is an lebron-thread, so let kobe out of here. its kind of boring how kobe gets mentioned every time you say something about lebron. there is no connection between them, just both great players.
and if kobe gets a ring and lebron does not, you just have to say the cavs need bigger production from their star than la does. sure, lebron has a great supporting cast, but the difference is pau gasol. he is always productive and good for 20-12 every game, nobody in lebrons supporting cast has that consistensy. and thats the problem, most of the time you need a second star to win a title, if lebron does without, that would speak truely of his greatness, but we're not that far right now.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

seriously, you guys. stop hating here. it's just like in kindergarten!
just focus on the facts, not what the media is trying to sell you and watch some ****ing games!
if you did so, you'd have seen lebron playin very poorly in game 2 despite havin ok-numbers. he played passiv, especally in the 3rd quater were his team desperetly needed a run to compete. but he didn't deliver that time. so we have to wait to see if this was a one time outing from lebron or if he will continue his poor play (by his standarts). if he does continue playin weak, i actually could think of him beeing injured and distracted. think about it, lebron never really got injured and he isnt used to. and it's sure that some people are better fit playing injured than others, and if lebrons really injured he has to find a way to be effective as well or the cavs season is over. but if he has a bounce-back game in game 3 i think he had just an off-night. we have to wait how the series plays out, but no ****ing way the cavs can demloish the cavs like in game 2 if lebron is playing his normal level of basketball like 30-8-8.
and to the kobe-lebron discussion. both are great players and everybody who hates on some of them is in lebrons case because the media is absolutly ridicoulous on him. but thats not his fault. and in kobes case they hate because of his history as a ballhog or so, but he has proved to be a winner, and this is an lebron-thread, so let kobe out of here. its kind of boring how kobe gets mentioned every time you say something about lebron. there is no connection between them, just both great players.
and if kobe gets a ring and lebron does not, you just have to say the cavs need bigger production from their star than la does. sure, lebron has a great supporting cast, but the difference is pau gasol. he is always productive and good for 20-12 every game, nobody in lebrons supporting cast has that consistensy. and thats the problem, most of the time you need a second star to win a title, if lebron does without, that would speak truely of his greatness, but we're not that far right now.
So Pau is better then a whole stacked team? :oldlol:
Cleveland have the second most talented team behind Magic. Lakers have a great starting 5 but there bench is HORRIBLE. If Lebron cant win with this team. He might be a 2nd option guy

[RazorBaLade]

seriously, you guys. stop hating here. it's just like in kindergarten!
just focus on the facts, not what the media is trying to sell you and watch some ****ing games!
if you did so, you'd have seen lebron playin very poorly in game 2 despite havin ok-numbers. he played passiv, especally in the 3rd quater were his team desperetly needed a run to compete. but he didn't deliver that time. so we have to wait to see if this was a one time outing from lebron or if he will continue his poor play (by his standarts). if he does continue playin weak, i actually could think of him beeing injured and distracted. think about it, lebron never really got injured and he isnt used to. and it's sure that some people are better fit playing injured than others, and if lebrons really injured he has to find a way to be effective as well or the cavs season is over. but if he has a bounce-back game in game 3 i think he had just an off-night. we have to wait how the series plays out, but no ****ing way the cavs can demloish the cavs like in game 2 if lebron is playing his normal level of basketball like 30-8-8.
and to the kobe-lebron discussion. both are great players and everybody who hates on some of them is in lebrons case because the media is absolutly ridicoulous on him. but thats not his fault. and in kobes case they hate because of his history as a ballhog or so, but he has proved to be a winner, and this is an lebron-thread, so let kobe out of here. its kind of boring how kobe gets mentioned every time you say something about lebron. there is no connection between them, just both great players.
and if kobe gets a ring and lebron does not, you just have to say the cavs need bigger production from their star than la does. sure, lebron has a great supporting cast, but the difference is pau gasol. he is always productive and good for 20-12 every game, nobody in lebrons supporting cast has that consistensy. and thats the problem, most of the time you need a second star to win a title, if lebron does without, that would speak truely of his greatness, but we're not that far right now.

Pau scored 9 pts in game 6 vs utah. It isn't EVERY game, and it's not even a high majority of them.. He doesn't even average 20 pts a season. wtf.

[Mikaiel]

Russell

Wait a minute.

You say Kobe > LeBron because Kobe has 4 rings.

Russell has 11 rings. But Kobe > Russell ?


Kareem, Shaq, Duncan

I hope you're not a Laker fan. And since Magic is not on that stupid list of yours, that also means Magic > Kareem. Wow. And Magic > Bird.

Kareem is a GOAT candidate. Kobe is not. Kareem was the best high school player of all time AND the best college player of all time. And he's the all-time NBA scoring leader ...

And it's really stupid to think that Kobe was better than an all-time great big man. Big men impact the game on both ends of the floor. A perimeter player can't do that. Big men play a vital role in both defense and rebounding, and those two things are the most important things in this game. They control the whole game. If you can keep the opposition from scoring and if you constantly deny them second opportunities, it's gonna be extremely tough for them to win the game.

And when you add the fact that they were either unstoppable on offense (like Shaq or Kareem) or pretty damn good (like Duncan), you see it's really stupid to think that a guy like Kobe has a greater impact. And besides, guys like Kareem, Shaq or Duncan demanded a double team because they would own you in single coverage every single time. And since they were very good passers, it made the game so much easier for the rest of the team. Kobe, as great as he is offensively, does not impact the game as much as those guys.



Bird.

Is that just because he's white and not athletic ?

[Semi]

so tell me what this is please...
http://www.nba.de/stats/players/playerFile.xhtml?playerId=2200&tz=GMT+1&dst=1&locale=de

and just for the record, the lakers got not that good a bench, but who has? except the magic i think nobody. you truely have to say kobe has a better supporting cast right now, cant argue:
bynum is better than shaq right now
pau is better than jamison
artest is better than anthony parker
ok ok, mo is beating fisher, but he is the only one on the starting five...

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Wait a minute.

You say Kobe > LeBron because Kobe has 4 rings.

Russell has 11 rings. But Kobe > Russell ?



Fan boys. Yes the sole purpose is just because of the rings. :rolleyes:

[Mikaiel]

Fan boys. Yes the sole purpose is just because of the rings. :rolleyes:

I'm just pointing out how much of a hypocrite he is.

[RazorBaLade]

In no particular order :

Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
MJ
Bird
Magic

All those guys are without a doubt better than Kobe.

Then I'd have Hakeem at No.9.

Kobe is No.10.

I like this list, my order now would be like

MJ
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Shaq

I think shaq has a t2 prime and he could easily be above or below Duncan, but personally I have him at 10 because of hack a shaq. Can't say someone is better than Kobe who is arguably most clutch ever when that guy can't even play the 4th quarter until there's 2 min left, and when he does get in the game u can STILL put him on the line.

Potential wise Kobe can surpass bird & magic w/ 2 rings and good play, passes duncan w/ 1 ring. T3 are virtually untouchable..

[macpierce]

the cavaliers have had the best record in the league for two straight years, he has a talented team, itll be interesting to see how the next 5 years or his career go as it is kobes time to retire in 5..........i wonder how great lebron will be when he loses his athleticism like kobe did

[zizozain]

wow .. what happend
it was a good thread where did the good posters go ?

[coin24]

Again with the cleveland is stacked rubbish.

If they are so stacked why did no one step up when lebron was a no show for game 2??? mo hit like 1 shot i think.

Im not big on the whole kobe vs lebron thing but honestly id rather the guy that is passionate and determined to win... Not just talks about it....



Notice the other teams have all stepped up for the playoffs and the cavs appear to be lost? Ive watched most of the games so far this playoffs and the cavs appear to think that cause they won the regular season they can just cruise through same pace and style of play...

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Again with the cleveland is stacked rubbish.

If they are so stacked why did no one step up when lebron was a no show for game 2??? mo hit like 1 shot i think.

Im not big on the whole kobe vs lebron thing but honestly id rather the guy that is passionate and determined to win... Not just talks about it....


L
Notice the other teams have all stepped up for the playoffs and the cavs appear to be lost? Ive watched most of the games so far this playoffs and the cavs appear to think that cause they won the regular season they can just cruise through same pace and style of play...
:ebron was a no show for the first 3/4 of game 1. Who put the back in the game? Mo Gotti. Cleveland is the most stacked team only behind magic

[coin24]

Back in the game? They got back to within 10 and the game was already basically over...

I meant someone should have stepped up earlier, not when they are down more than 20 points:hammerhead:


I hope they can beat the celtics because i would love to see a magic vs cavs rematch..

[mlh1981]

I'll use the connections I have as a Cavs forum mod to try and talk him into coming back......

[Andrei89]

He can do that just fine, it's not like he can't move his arm.

Thing is, he can move it all he wants, it just hurts to do so. One explosive play going up for a block or a dunk he will do it through the pain.

Pain like this is obviously going to make him more hesitant to shoot though, and will of course effect his shot as well.

Here we go Cavaliers lose a game to Boston and cavs fans become insecure. Slowly starting to blame the elbow. His elbow is fine so stfu and take your Le-travel with u
If they lose it will be just like last year against the magic. You were all bragging all season long aobut how u are gonna win 100% then suddently it didn't look 100% for u and started blaming the supporting cast.

[Andrei89]

:ebron was a no show for the first 3/4 of game 1. Who put the back in the game? Mo Gotti. Cleveland is the most stacked team only behind magic

Another stupid troll right here.

At least if u troll try to do it right.

The Lakers are much more stacked than the Magic lol.

They have Kobe, 2 big men in Pau Gasol and Bynum each one of them able to make it a 25/10 night, they have the defensive player of the year Ron Artest, the top notch rebounder as a sixth man in Lamar odom.

And what do the magic have? Howard and Vince ? that's about it. Rashard who hits some 3's from time to time. And ofc they have Nelson who has stepped up but we are talking about stacked teams here.

Stupid canadian kiddo go play with your friend