What is John Wall nba comparsion. How good can he be

[OnceInADECADE]

http://screamsofgusjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/john-wall.jpg

I don't like the derrick rose comparsion at all. They both play very different from one another. I heard people saying he was a taller version of Rajon Rondo which is also like Russell Westbrook. I'll even throw in Jamal Crawford because of the frame, length,height and moves he has like him.


Also how good can this kid be can he be a superstar(which i believe) or will he be a bust. I really hope he goes to New Jersey or Pacers or even The Wiz. If he ever lands in the central divsion that would be a sick crop of young points guards with Derrick Rose, Brandon Jennings, Rodney Stuckey.

[CavsLebronMo]

John Wall, compared to Crawford? completely different players..

[OnceInADECADE]

John Wall, compared to Crawford? completely different players..

Yea i meant to say he has jamal crawford like style point guard style while playing. But jamal cawford has bad basketball IQ thats the reason why he stuck as combo guard of the bench not like John Wall who is going to be sick in this league

[hoopaddict08]

I don't think he will be a bust. But I do think it will take some time for him to really make an impact in this league. I really, really, hope the Pistons get the 1st overall pick. Rodney Stuckey could move to the two, or come off the bench as a combo-guard behind Wall and Gordon.

Also you would have the Chicago/Detroit rivalry with Rose and Wall.

[TAZORAC]

Crawford likes to shot..john wall likes to drive

[Papaya Petee]

If he doesn't improve his jumpshot he will be a 15\8 player with a 18\10 prime. If he can get a good shot from the perimiter he will easily be a 18\11 guy with a 20\12 prime.

[bdreason]

Dwyane Wade.

[Papaya Petee]

Dwyane Wade.

:roll:

[Fallguy20]

In terms of impact? Im thinking Nash or better eventually. Actual player comparison? I guess its a compliment to him that I cant think of one off the top of my head...

[wang4three]

His talent level is as good as I've seen since Baron Davis.

[Batz]

:roll:
Tbh, he is somewhat like him.


I say he's a very poor man's Dwayne Wade.

[bdreason]

:roll:

Dwyane Wade College stats Freshman year:

18/3/6 on 48%

John Wall College stats Freshman year:

17/4/7 on 46%

People act like Wade came into the league as a superstar, when the truth is, nobody could have predicted Wade would be this good.

Wade is a better scorer, no doubt. While Wall seems to have better court vision already. Obviously saying Wall could be on Wade's level is assuming he meets his maximum potential.. which is what the OP asked.

If we are talking about who dominated more at the sub-NBA level, the answer is John Wall. And I have no doubt if he reaches his maximum potential, he could be on Wade's level, with less scoring, and more assists.

First time I ever saw a John Wall mixtape, I thought, "this kid plays a lot like Wade".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

[PP34Deuce]

I see the hype, hes not like Rondo or westbrook.

Hes a combo guard in the NBA. guy who can effectively play both areas. athletic but not a freak, skinny but will put sum weight on. good shot but not dead eye, great handles but not a pure passer like Rondo,Nash,Paul.

Sounds like Jamal Crawford when he came out. Crawford had a sick cross over, and drives to the basket when he first came in the league. I see John Wall like him with a slightly higher BBall IQ.

[brandonislegend]

Mix of Dwayne Wade with Jamal Crawford handles...better passer/worse shooter

[rfoster24]

I don't think he will be a bust. But I do think it will take some time for him to really make an impact in this league. I really, really, hope the Pistons get the 1st overall pick. Rodney Stuckey could move to the two, or come off the bench as a combo-guard behind Wall and Gordon.

Also you would have the Chicago/Detroit rivalry with Rose and Wall.

ugh detroit. what player wants to play in that shithole. Hopefully Wall doesn't land there. That team should be removed from the NBA and a team should be given to St. Louis.

[PP34Deuce]

Early Crawford highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hP_C24bkiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVEoTNX5QJY

WHat makes people think Wall will be a star. He has immaturity issues, and will need to pack on some pounds to get to 210. Crawford when we drafted him on the bulls had some sick highlights, and essentially they are the same guy in ability

[Papaya Petee]

Dwyane Wade College stats Freshman year:

18/3/6 on 48%

John Wall College stats Freshman year:

17/4/7 on 46%

People act like Wade came into the league as a superstar, when the truth is, nobody could have predicted Wade would be this good.

Wade is a better scorer, no doubt. While Wall seems to have better court vision already. Obviously saying Wall could be on Wade's level is assuming he meets his maximum potential.. which is what the OP asked.

If we are talking about who dominated more at the sub-NBA level, the answer is John Wall. And I have no doubt if he reaches his maximum potential, he could be on Wade's level, with less scoring, and more assists.

First time I ever saw a John Wall mixtape, I thought, "this kid plays a lot like Wade".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

Yes, Dwyane Wade wasn't predicted to be this good, and yes him and John Wall have a very similar game, but you have to understand, players like Wade come super rarely, after all there is only him and LeBron who are all around as good players as they are.

For John Wall to be on Wades level he will have to put up 25\7\5 every year and have 30\8\5 or 27\7\6 years in his prime.

[Fallguy20]

Early Crawford highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hP_C24bkiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVEoTNX5QJY

WHat makes people think Wall will be a star. He has immaturity issues, and will need to pack on some pounds to get to 210. Crawford when we drafted him on the bulls had some sick highlights, and essentially they are the same guy in ability


His buckets in college were in a system that didnt suit him as a player, I think he will thrive in the NBA where he can get out and make plays in ways he couldnt in college.

[PP34Deuce]

His buckets in college were in a system that didnt suit him as a player, I think he will thrive in the NBA where he can get out and make plays in ways he couldnt in college.

I feel you. Hes gonna be a good player but for the Paul and Wade comparisons??? From a physical andability standpoint he is Jamal Crawford 2.0

People are underrating Jamals talent, if it werent for that neck injury,and nagging injuries, He would have been a great player. Not Top Tier, but 2nd tier allstar.

Wade was a thicker built even in high school compared to Wall. I just dont see how he will be a superstar when hes Combo guard with not one set unique skill

[Azizi]

Allen Iverson with better passes and can dunk it easier.

[BIG FURB]

How in the hell is Wall Crawford 2.0? I don't see that at all. He's more a young Wade than anything else

[magnax1]

Plays like DWade, similar athleticism, might actually be a little longer (maybe not, Wade is extremely long, but Wall does look longer)
I see him being an EXTREMELY good player. He has the best passing of any player I can remember out of college in a long time.

[LA_Showtime]

Very good to great. I still don't understand why people think he's more athletic than Rose though. He's not.

He sort of reminds me of a hybrid mix between Jennings and Rose. He's got Jennings' speed/quickness and Rose's athleticism.

[GOBB]

Jamal Crawford in college and John Wall in college? I dont see the comparison myself. Damn I checked the Crawford highlight videos and very disappointed not many Michigan highlights. I seriously cant find the play where its a fast break and he dribbles with the right puts it between his legs twice having the defender thinking he would go left with it yet he realizes he is being layed up.

How come Jamal Crawford college highlights are rare? Wth man. Anyone can find some post. Wanna see if someone captured the play I'm talkin about.

The D.Wade comparisons are legit. Wall fills his frame out then I can see it. AI? Nah, then again I think Wade is a bigger version of AI to a degree. I thought AI was a mix of Isiah Thomas/Kevin Johnson.

Comparing Wall is tough...should be easier after 2 years in the NBA to see where he is going.

[beasted86]

All the people banking on this guy being a superstar on the level of Wade are going to have their baloons popped

[PP34Deuce]

Why is Crawford such a hard comparison coming out? Ive seen plenty of Wall since I go to College in KY.

Dwayne Wade didnt have the handles that Wall has. and Wades body even when skinnier was more solid than Wall.
He doesnt have blazing speed like Rose,AI and Wade was more athletic.
Jamal Crawford had a lot of game when he first came out.

Look at them both play and his skills are that of Jamal Crawford who is the prototype Combo guard.

even the slashing style is a younger more explosive Crawford.

I think some of you were underrating how talented Crawford was before injuries and problems. Wall isnt exactly a high character guy and has been in trouble before.

I know he will be a good player in the NBA but hes not going to be that perennial top 10 player.

[zORi]

I don't think he will be a bust. But I do think it will take some time for him to really make an impact in this league. I really, really, hope the Pistons get the 1st overall pick. Rodney Stuckey could move to the two, or come off the bench as a combo-guard behind Wall and Gordon.

Also you would have the Chicago/Detroit rivalry with Rose and Wall.

That's what I want, too.

And I'm not a fan of either of those teams (though I do admire Rip, Gordon, Rose, Noah, and to some extent Stuckey).

[King Kong]

i don't think crawford is a good comparison since crawford is an explosive scorer and wall isn't. I think a taller version of Rondo is a good comparison. I don't think he can score like Wade that's why.

I could be wrong, but i wasn't that impressed by him in college, he never really took over any game. I really don't see why people think he is going to be or already is better than Derrick Rose.

[ukplayer4]

a mix of rose and wade, maybe with a little tyreke evans in there also...i dont see wall as nearly as explosive as steve francis tho.

[MeLO MvP 15]

i dont know much about him, but i see him as a Derrick Rose with averaging more assits but a lot more turnovers... see some Westbrook/Wade in him too...

[Kingwillball]

I see the hype, hes not like Rondo or westbrook.

Hes a combo guard in the NBA. guy who can effectively play both areas. athletic but not a freak, skinny but will put sum weight on. good shot but not dead eye, great handles but not a pure passer like Rondo,Nash,Paul.

Sounds like Jamal Crawford when he came out. Crawford had a sick cross over, and drives to the basket when he first came in the league. I see John Wall like him with a slightly higher BBall IQ.


Had to write something cause obviously U haven't seen the Kid Play.. Unless somehow BLAZING FAST and BIG TIME HOPS don't qualify as a Freak at the PG position. He will be in the Discussion as the Fastest Player in the NBA with the Ball..

Better Recognize

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk97TCxsPxg

[GOBB]

Why is Crawford such a hard comparison coming out? Ive seen plenty of Wall since I go to College in KY.

Dwayne Wade didnt have the handles that Wall has. and Wades body even when skinnier was more solid than Wall.
He doesnt have blazing speed like Rose,AI and Wade was more athletic.
Jamal Crawford had a lot of game when he first came out.

Look at them both play and his skills are that of Jamal Crawford who is the prototype Combo guard.

even the slashing style is a younger more explosive Crawford.

I think some of you were underrating how talented Crawford was before injuries and problems. Wall isnt exactly a high character guy and has been in trouble before.

I know he will be a good player in the NBA but hes not going to be that perennial top 10 player.

Wall doesnt have blazing speed? Kid got from point A to B fast as hell at Kentucky. So fast he was out of control because he played too fast. Similar to a kid holding down the turbo button playing a video game.

And when I recall Jamal in college I dont see John Wall. :confusedshrug:

[brandonislegend]

All I have to say, simply the best mix tape ever :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

[brandonislegend]

Had to write something cause obviously U haven't seen the Kid Play.. Unless somehow BLAZING FAST and BIG TIME HOPS don't qualify as a Freak at the PG position. He will be in the Discussion as the Fastest Player in the NBA with the Ball..

Better Recognize

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk97TCxsPxg

1:09 looks exactly like wade....

[wang4three]

The Jamal Crawford comparisons really need to end. Outside of having similar body types and being creative with the ball, the two are different players. Wall is a much better passer, already has better decision making skills, and more potential. Hell 10 years in the NBA, Crawford still can't play off ball. Wall isn't great off-ball, but he's better than Jamal, I can tell you that.

I mentioned Baron Davis and that's who I'm sticking with. Baron was stronger in college, but in terms of skill, athleticism, speed, and size Wall has been comparable in those elements.

[EastCaliChillin]

He will NOT be the best player out this draft. Couple years in he will be a top 5 player not even top 3. This guy is unbelievably overrated. Saying he's more athletic then rose? Thats blasphemy. Media comparing him to Magic and Stockton? This guy will most likely be a bust. 3rd or 4th best player on a championship team.



Believe That

[Go Getter]

The Jamal Crawford comparisons really need to end. Outside of having similar body types and being creative with the ball, the two are different players. Wall is a much better passer, already has better decision making skills, and more potential. Hell 10 years in the NBA, Crawford still can't play off ball. Wall isn't great off-ball, but he's better than Jamal, I can tell you that.

I mentioned Baron Davis and that's who I'm sticking with. Baron was stronger in college, but in terms of skill, athleticism, speed, and size Wall has been comparable in those elements.


4 turnovers a game and he's a good decison maker?

[brandonislegend]

4 turnovers a game and he's a good decison maker?

Its college...just wait til the NBA when there's actual spacing and open court

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

the voice of the pg generation. an icon in making.

[TheTruth11]

Wall is not an athletic freak. He lacks burst and explosion. He does not get off the ground quick. Moreover, he struggles in the half court set because he does not have a quick first step.

His athleticism is vastly overrated. :no:

This guy is going to be exposed at the Pre-Draft Camp. His standing Vert will be no better than 30 inches. And his max vert will be no better than 36 inches..... 37 tops.

His straightline speed will be good.... but the guy lacks a killa first step.

[Kingwillball]

Wall is not an athletic freak. He lacks burst and explosion. He does not get off the ground quick. Moreover, he struggles in the half court set because he does not have a quick first step.

His athleticism is vastly overrated. :no:

This guy is going to be exposed at the Pre-Draft Camp. His standing Vert will be no better than 30 inches. And his max vert will be no better than 36 inches..... 37 tops.

His straightline speed will be good.... but the guy lacks a killa first step.


Wow Dude, U just won the Award for the Worst Post in this Thread..Congrats :applause:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Wall is not an athletic freak. He lacks burst and explosion. He does not get off the ground quick. Moreover, he struggles in the half court set because he does not have a quick first step.

His athleticism is vastly overrated. :no:

This guy is going to be exposed at the Pre-Draft Camp. His standing Vert will be no better than 30 inches. And his max vert will be no better than 36 inches..... 37 tops.

His straightline speed will be good.... but the guy lacks a killa first step.

36 inches ? which player have you been watching. He gets his head almost rim level on some dunks on his mixtapes.

40 inches come june at the pre draft camp. If he even elects to do it, because he is the consensus #1 pick, so he might not even workout ala Greg Oden.

[Kingwillball]

36 inches ? which player have you been watching. He gets his head almost rim level on some dunks on his mixtapes.

40 inches come june at the pre draft camp. If he even elects to do it, because he is the consensus #1 pick, so he might not even workout ala Greg Oden.


I just told the dude he won the award for Worst Post..Everything he Wrote in there was Completely off yet he was writing it with so much Conviction..some People.

[TheTruth11]

36 inches ? which player have you been watching. He gets his head almost rim on some dunks on his mixtapes.

40 inches come june at the pre draft camp. If he even elects to do it, because he is the consensus #1 pick, so he might not even workout ala Greg Oden.

No..... he never gets his head rim high. There is one picture like that but he is clearly boosting himself up off the guy in front of him. He is a lowrider. Much like Wade often looks rim high but Wade.... just like Wall... has the huge wingspan. And their dunks look deceiving. But Wall jumps no higher than Wade. Like I said, he will max 37 at best.

[dr8ked]

Wall is not an athletic freak. He lacks burst and explosion. He does not get off the ground quick. Moreover, he struggles in the half court set because he does not have a quick first step.

His athleticism is vastly overrated. :no:

This guy is going to be exposed at the Pre-Draft Camp. His standing Vert will be no better than 30 inches. And his max vert will be no better than 36 inches..... 37 tops.

His straightline speed will be good.... but the guy lacks a killa first step.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5UpQl18OOM

Alot of teams in the NBA play worser defense than this.

[Kingwillball]

No..... he never gets his head rim high. There is one picture like that but he is clearly boosting himself up off the guy in front of him. He is a lowrider. Much like Wade often looks rim high but Wade.... just like Wall... has the huge wingspan. And it makes their dunks look deceiving. But Wall jumps no higher than Wade. Like I said, he will max 37 at best.


What R U trying to Say ? All U need to Know is he will be a Nightmare to Gaurd in the NBA. Once he gets a Consistent outside shot look out. I am willing to bet he will be a top 5 PG in the NBA within 5 years.

[TheTruth11]

36 inches ? which player have you been watching. He gets his head almost rim level on some dunks on his mixtapes.

40 inches come june at the pre draft camp. If he even elects to do it, because he is the consensus #1 pick, so he might not even workout ala Greg Oden.

Don't be fooled by the hanging on the rim and swinging back and forth that he does. Don't be fooled by the jungle jim routine. Watch how high his head gets to rim level..... and he does not get there. He is not even close.

Like I said, wait to the Pre-Draft Camp. This guy is going to be exposed. And I know this opinion flies in the face of what the Sheep believe. The Sheep who have bought into the hype. But as I said, this question will be answered soon enough. The Pre-Draft Camp is right around the corner. And dude will be exposed.

[brandonislegend]

Wall is not an athletic freak. He lacks burst and explosion. He does not get off the ground quick. Moreover, he struggles in the half court set because he does not have a quick first step.

His athleticism is vastly overrated. :no:

This guy is going to be exposed at the Pre-Draft Camp. His standing Vert will be no better than 30 inches. And his max vert will be no better than 36 inches..... 37 tops.

His straightline speed will be good.... but the guy lacks a killa first step.

???????????????????

[pahisc]

TheTruth11, Westbrook is more athletic than Rose. That is all.

[Batz]

TheTruth11, Westbrook is more athletic than Rose. That is all.
:roll:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Don't be fooled by the hanging on the rim and swinging back and forth that he does. Don't be fooled by the jungle jim routine. Watch how high his head gets to rim level..... and he does not get there. He is not even close.

Like I said, wait to the Pre-Draft Camp. This guy is going to be exposed. And I know this opinion flies in the face of what the Sheep believe. The Sheep who have bought into the hype. But as I said, this question will be answered soon enough. The Pre-Draft Camp is right around the corner. And dude will be exposed.




as crazy as this sounds. i don't even think he will do any testing in the pre draft camp, because A. he is the consensus number 1 pick and b like you said if he doesn't test well it could hurt his stock just a tad bit.

lebron james and greg oden didn't test because they were consensly the number 1 pick. derrick rose had to test because him and beasley were fighting for te number 1 pick

[EastCaliChillin]

Don't be fooled by the hanging on the rim and swinging back and forth that he does. Don't be fooled by the jungle jim routine. Watch how high his head gets to rim level..... and he does not get there. He is not even close.

Like I said, wait to the Pre-Draft Camp. This guy is going to be exposed. And I know this opinion flies in the face of what the Sheep believe. The Sheep who have bought into the hype. But as I said, this question will be answered soon enough. The Pre-Draft Camp is right around the corner. And dude will be exposed.
I agree. The guy is far from a a freak athlete. Would call him average at best. But he has a BIG NAME so the pre-draft camp will probably boost up his numbers a la Oj Mayo. They reported he had a 41 inch vertical. Com on son. We all know OJ got average boosties

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

I agree. The guy is far from a a freak athlete. Would call him average at best. But he has a BIG NAME so the pre-draft camp will probably boost up his numbers a la Oj Mayo. They reported he had a 41 inch vertical. Com on son. We all know OJ got average boosties

reported, they taped it :lol it was on nba tv i want to say rookies where they showed oj mayo, derrick rose, micheal beasley doing the vertical test.

oj got high up on his, the max vert they are only allowed to take 1 step.
drose standing vert he got so low to the ground and exploded up it was insane.

[pahisc]

I wouldn't be surprised if OJ has a vert like that. He can get up on some of his fastbreak oops, but he just looks average because he doesn't have a good first step

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdOnNXTtb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58cE6VPULDI


very underrated athlete

[Batz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdOnNXTtb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58cE6VPULDI


very underrated athlete
Not really. He seems like your average athletic player with body control...

[PleezeBelieve]

The Wall-hype cronies are back on the beat. They been away eating donuts for the last six weeks. :oldlol:

Who wants to disgree with me about Wall? I shut sh*t's down.

Wall will not be the best player in this draft. He will be a COLLOSAL failure relative to his hype. He will never at anyone in his career be better than any of the following:

Paul
Rose
D-Will
Nash
Kidd

So with this established, why build the hype for the guy?

Who cares about verts when his touch around the rim is trash?

Why bring up elite handles when he doesn't have elite explosive first step?

Why talk about this guy being a consensus #1 pick when he's done nothing to back it up?

Why not talk about how this guy is about as strong as Mo Williams?

Additionally, he doesn't move his feet well on defense, hence being crossed numerous times by the scrub on WV with the terrorist last name.

[Go Getter]

I think his athleticism is slightly overrated the impressive thing about wall was the combonation of his handle, dexterity, speed, and court vision.

He wasn't on the level of the :eek: HS players such as
:bowdown:
Kemp
Webber
Carter
James
AI

I'm not rooting against him I hope he does his best but there are some very lofty expectations out there for someone who is about to be out there with the fastest of the fast.

Fast in college doesn't look as fast next to Barbosa, Harris, Rose, Rondo, Parker, Lawson, Lerbon and others.

[amdee]

Don't be fooled by the hanging on the rim and swinging back and forth that he does. Don't be fooled by the jungle jim routine. Watch how high his head gets to rim level..... and he does not get there. He is not even close.

Like I said, wait to the Pre-Draft Camp. This guy is going to be exposed. And I know this opinion flies in the face of what the Sheep believe. The Sheep who have bought into the hype. But as I said, this question will be answered soon enough. The Pre-Draft Camp is right around the corner. And dude will be exposed.

I agree. He's not explosive like Derrick Rose at all. He gets off the ground really slow, and the only reason he dunks the ball easily is his length. Don't be fooled be the average at best dunks in the hoopmixtape. Now a days even the average ballplayers can do a between the legs dunk. 6'1" Brandon Jennings could do it in high school.

I would be surprised if his standing vert is any higher than 32". He might get 36"-38" running, but thats not even impressive for a point guard.

He is fast from end to end though.

[entropy35]

Wall is legit, similar to D-rose in athleticism. Most potential (for PG) out of the draft since Allen Iverson.
Wall = PG version of D-wade.

[Go Getter]

Additionally, he doesn't move his feet well on defense, hence being crossed numerous times by the scrub on WV with the terrorist last name.

Aww man the backup PG:oldlol:

I actually see him being a nice combo guard and someone that could develop into a PG over time.

4 turnovers per game in college?

That cute shit doesn't really fly in the pros:no:

J Wills got away with it for a minute and Jamal and Vince and Baron and Nashty get fancy but who else really can pull it off without being a detriment to the team?

He's not going to have a stacked team like in HS or college so he's going to have to make the smart play before the flashy play more often than not.

And he's going to have to prove he can shoot fom the outside which is a challenge for any superior HS/College athlete that is used to being able to get wherever they want on the court pretty much at will.

[brandonislegend]

I am going to bump this thread in 2-3 years and hes an all-star

[OnceInADECADE]

Yo 4 all u John Wall haters this guy is fuccking sick ok. Yea it is true his max running vertical leap might be 36-38 but still would be a great athele. John is going to be a better nba player then he was a college player. Right now rose is waaaay better than wall no question bout that, but wall has more potential to become a better player real talks bro. i not saying he might reach but if he does watch out!!!!!

[wang4three]

4 turnovers a game and he's a good decison maker?

Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans averaged 4 TOs in college too, whats your point?

EDIT: Jason Kidd was at 4.3 TOs his final season in college. Steve Nash at 3.6...

Turnovers is certainly a controllable item once entering the pros. It's all about being familiar with the players around you and getting comfortable with them. Considering they played with a freshman led team and a new coach, I'd say his TOs are rather justified.

[Detroit]

ugh detroit. what player wants to play in that shithole. Hopefully Wall doesn't land there. That team should be removed from the NBA and a team should be given to St. Louis.
:lol You're a JOKE!

[OnceInADECADE]

Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans averaged 4 TOs in college too, whats your point?

EDIT: Jason Kidd was at 4.3 TOs his final season in college. Steve Nash at 3.6...

Turnovers is certainly a controllable item once entering the pros. It's all about being familiar with the players around you and getting comfortable with them. Considering they played with a freshman led team and a new coach, I'd say his TOs are rather justified.

I really think that the Turnover stat is really misleading stat

[OnceInADECADE]

Yes, Dwyane Wade wasn't predicted to be this good, and yes him and John Wall have a very similar game, but you have to understand, players like Wade come super rarely, after all there is only him and LeBron who are all around as good players as they are.

For John Wall to be on Wades level he will have to put up 25\7\5 every year and have 30\8\5 or 27\7\6 years in his prime.


No he doesnt. He is a point guard and points arent suppose to do that.
If i was his coach i would be happy to see John Wall average something like
18ppg 11apg 5 rpg 2spg. And not being to ball dominate

[OnceInADECADE]

i don't think crawford is a good comparison since crawford is an explosive scorer and wall isn't. I think a taller version of Rondo is a good comparison. I don't think he can score like Wade that's why.

I could be wrong, but i wasn't that impressed by him in college, he never really took over any game. I really don't see why people think he is going to be or already is better than Derrick Rose.

What game have u been watching saying that stupid remark. This kid took over most of the games played with he driving ablitiy and his passing skills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDJ9mFEJM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAnGnevKxJE play this song while watching the video












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[kunk75]

yes, the half-italian terrorist.
:rolleyes:

The Wall-hype cronies are back on the beat. They been away eating donuts for the last six weeks. :oldlol:

Who wants to disgree with me about Wall? I shut sh*t's down.

Wall will not be the best player in this draft. He will be a COLLOSAL failure relative to his hype. He will never at anyone in his career be better than any of the following:

Paul
Rose
D-Will
Nash
Kidd

So with this established, why build the hype for the guy?

Who cares about verts when his touch around the rim is trash?

Why bring up elite handles when he doesn't have elite explosive first step?

Why talk about this guy being a consensus #1 pick when he's done nothing to back it up?

Why not talk about how this guy is about as strong as Mo Williams?

Additionally, he doesn't move his feet well on defense, hence being crossed numerous times by the scrub on WV with the terrorist last name.

[kunk75]

ceiling: derrick rose
basement: westbrook

I'll take it.

[Go Getter]

Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans averaged 4 TOs in college too, whats your point?

EDIT: Jason Kidd was at 4.3 TOs his final season in college. Steve Nash at 3.6...

Turnovers is certainly a controllable item once entering the pros. It's all about being familiar with the players around you and getting comfortable with them. Considering they played with a freshman led team and a new coach, I'd say his TOs are rather justified.


I agree that stats are not indicative of how great a player is but 4 turnovers is a little high considering...I haven't seen all his games but from what I read many ppl say he makes a lot of passes that have no hope of reaching the target and often does the fancy play instead of the simple one.

Now if you're going to praise the kid you also have to look at his weaknesses too such as poor touch around the rim, an unreliable jumper, and less than stellar decision making....all of which can be worked on but there is no guarantee he alleviates those issues completely.

[Real Men Wear Green]

At 6'4 he does the between-the-legs dunk cleanly. If you think that guy isn't a hell of an athlete I don't know what to tell you. Crawford is nowhere near as explosive, and is much more of a shooter. There isn't a neat comparison for Wall, right now to me he looks like a taller athletic point guard, basically. The 6 apg for a college frosh is impressive.

[ILLsmak]

He's got a head start on D Rose, that's for sure. I'm picking Turner, though, cuz I think Turner can adapt to anything. You know the type of shit that Green is doing? Turner is like a star version of Green... someone that will fit in whereever. Of course, most lotto teams want that star power and don't want to build from scratch.

Wall is good, but it's gonna be tough to build around him. People don't realize he was also playing with some of the most talent in the country... so it's hard to gauge his performance. I think that he is really good, obviously. He impressed me with some of his decisions.

-Smak

[Go Getter]

At 6'4 he does the between-the-legs dunk cleanly. If you think that guy isn't a hell of an athlete I don't know what to tell you. Crawford is nowhere near as explosive, and is much more of a shooter. There isn't a neat comparison for Wall, right now to me he looks like a taller athletic point guard, basically. The 6 apg for a college frosh is impressive.

LOL@ doing a between the legs dunk who-in-the-hell cares? Harold Miner could do that dunk better and how did his career go?

Joe Alexander is an off the charts athlete also and in game you couldn't tell at all.

Plus, as a freshman PG [who is a year older than other true freshmen] with Bledsoe, Cousins, and Orton having 6 apg is what you SHOULD have.

[Go Getter]

He's got a head start on D Rose, that's for sure.

How is that?

D. Rose had an NBA body from the jump I would say he had a head start on Wall who clearly needs to get stronger.

[Go Getter]

Also, I have my doubts that he is a full 6'4"...

[Real Men Wear Green]

LOL@ doing a between the legs dunk who-in-the-hell cares? Harold Miner could do that dunk better and how did his career go?

Joe Alexander is an off the charts athlete also and in game you couldn't tell at all.

Plus, as a freshman PG [who is a year older than other true freshmen] with Bledsoe, Cousins, and Orton having 6 apg is what you SHOULD have.
First of all, how many players under 6'5 have you seen do that dunk?

Second of all, newsflash: Harold Miner was a great athlete. As was Kedrick Brown. And many others that never made it in the NBA.

And finally, a great teammate like Cousins that can create his own offense isn't necessarily an advantage in getting an assist. Assists happen when a player is handed the ball while in immediate position to score. For that, what a guy really needs is finishers and shooters, which all players should be able to do.

[Go Getter]

First of all, how many players under 6'5 have you seen do that dunk?

Second of all, newsflash: Harold Miner was a great athlete. As was Kedrick Brown. And many others that never made it in the NBA.

And finally, a great teammate like Cousins that can create his own offense isn't necessarily an advantage in getting an assist. Assists happen when a player is handed the ball while in immediate position to score. For that, what a guy really needs is finishers and shooters, which all players should be able to do.


1. I don't care who can do a silly dunk.
2. Cousins doesn't create his own offense he needs someone to feed him the ball.
3. All players SHOULD be able to finish but some can't...and having Cousins and Orton and a team of blue chippers helped Wall....if he would have went to Creighton or Harvard he wouldn't have had the advantages he did at Kentucky ...not a knock on Wall it's just a fact...

Why did you say [IIRC] Wall has an advantage over Rose coming into the league?

[wang4three]

I agree that stats are not indicative of how great a player is but 4 turnovers is a little high considering...I haven't seen all his games but from what I read many ppl say he makes a lot of passes that have no hope of reaching the target and often does the fancy play instead of the simple one.

Now if you're going to praise the kid you also have to look at his weaknesses too such as poor touch around the rim, an unreliable jumper, and less than stellar decision making....all of which can be worked on but there is no guarantee he alleviates those issues completely.

Who isn't looking at his weaknesses? I'm certainly aware of them. The turnovers is really the last thing I'm worried about. I've watched about 10-15 games of him this season, I don't think his passes are that wild. I would say the ratio between it being his fault and the receivers fault is about 1:1.5. I definitely can remember a lot of plays in which his teammate didn't cut where they were supposed to and it left John throwing a pass that really shouldn't have been his fault. Overall, the 4TO number doesn't strike me at all.

To be that good at 20 is scary. His potential is off the charts and even as a Big 10 guy (meaning, I love Evan Turner), I'd still take Wall over him. Luckily, my team, the Nets, has a chance at it.

[TheTruth11]

36 inches ? which player have you been watching. He gets his head almost rim level on some dunks on his mixtapes.

40 inches come june at the pre draft camp. If he even elects to do it, because he is the consensus #1 pick, so he might not even workout ala Greg Oden.

OJMamba.... I would be would be willing to bet you that he measures: 1) 30 inches on his standing Vert.... he is not explosive at all, and 2) that his max vert is less than 37 inches.

The bet will be that I will be the first one to post on this board saying how wrong I was. And if you lose, you have to do the same. Deal?

What he does is pull himself up to the rim on his dunks. He swings up with that jungle jim routine. So many of the pictures you see of him are deceiving.... because they were taken after he has done a pull-up. What I watch is his head as it first approaches the rim. And this dude is a lowrider. He will max 36.5 ...... maybe 37.

Worse yet, Wall does not possess a killer "first step". And that will hurt him big time in the NBA game. As a PG, you need that explosive 1st step. Wall lacks this.

[Kingwillball]

OJMamba.... I would be would be willing to bet you that he measures: 1) 30 inches on his standing Vert.... he is not explosive at all, and 2) that his max vert is less than 37 inches.

The bet will be that I will be the first one to post on this board saying how wrong I was. And if you lose, you have to do the same. Deal?

What he does is pull himself up to the rim on his dunks. He swings up with that jungle jim routine. So many of the pictures you see of him are deceiving.... because they were taken after he has done a pull-up. What I watch is his head as it first approaches the rim. And this dude is a lowrider. He will max 36.5 ...... maybe 37.

Worse yet, Wall does not possess a killer "first step". And that will hurt him big time in the NBA game. As a PG, you need that explosive 1st step. Wall lacks this.


Dude are U an Idiot ? Why do U keep Posting this Nonsense ? Wall is a Raw Talent in every aspect.. Wall will get into the Lane AT WILL in the NBA much like Rondo,Drose,Westbrook ect..

[ILLsmak]

How is that?

D. Rose had an NBA body from the jump I would say he had a head start on Wall who clearly needs to get stronger.

Okay Mr. Bulls Icon.

It's just a feeling I get from watching both. I always doubt the new. I've said many times Wall was overrated and that he definitely wasn't Rose, but then I finally accepted that he's a great player. Still might be overrated, but he's definitely better than I thought he was.

He has the start on Rose because he plays smarter, simply. Just the way he handles situations.

-Smak

[brandonislegend]

OJMamba.... I would be would be willing to bet you that he measures: 1) 30 inches on his standing Vert.... he is not explosive at all, and 2) that his max vert is less than 37 inches.

The bet will be that I will be the first one to post on this board saying how wrong I was. And if you lose, you have to do the same. Deal?

What he does is pull himself up to the rim on his dunks. He swings up with that jungle jim routine. So many of the pictures you see of him are deceiving.... because they were taken after he has done a pull-up. What I watch is his head as it first approaches the rim. And this dude is a lowrider. He will max 36.5 ...... maybe 37.

Worse yet, Wall does not possess a killer "first step". And that will hurt him big time in the NBA game. As a PG, you need that explosive 1st step. Wall lacks this.

I honestly have no idea what your talking about....that's one of his strengths...thats like saying LeBron James is weak and has no muscle....

[Go Getter]

Okay Mr. Bulls Icon.


:oldlol:

That was a pretty poor response but the quoted part was funny.

Rose led his team to the Final game playing against WestbrooK, Collison, Augustine, Chalmers, etc and Wall exits VS a depleted WV team while being shown up by a backup and that's how you feel?

Rose played college ball and averaged around the same amount of assists with half the turnovers while having a better record with less talent and a year younger and that's the best argument you can give?

I have no doubt that Wall has the potential to do great things but there is the potential that he goes the other way too...the kid's got crazy game with the ball in his hands [passing dribbling] and I think that's going to be his claim to fame.

I highly doubt he's 6'4 though like I knew Rose wasn't 6'3".

[Go Getter]

Who isn't looking at his weaknesses? I'm certainly aware of them. The turnovers is really the last thing I'm worried about.
To be that good at 20 is scary.

His potential is off the charts and even as a Big 10 guy (meaning, I love Evan Turner), I'd still take Wall over him. Luckily, my team, the Nets, has a chance at it.

So what are his weaknesses then if ball control aren't?

I honestly would take a look at Turner if I were the Nets.

See to me he isn't the scary good type to me.

AI
C Webb
Shaq
Vince
Kemp

Those were scaary good types.

[entropy35]

How is that?

D. Rose had an NBA body from the jump I would say he had a head start on Wall who clearly needs to get stronger.
Wall has a better jump shot than rose coming out of college and makes better plays as point guard. Only advantage for rose is his nba ready body.

[wang4three]

So what are his weaknesses then if ball control aren't?

I honestly would take a look at Turner if I were the Nets.

See to me he isn't the scary good type to me.

AI
C Webb
Shaq
Vince
Kemp

Those were scaary good types.

Each of those guys came in to the league with plenty of weaknesses to their games and doubts about whether or not they would live up to the hype. It's easy for you to list them now that they have panned out (for the most part). And if this board and the media were as big as it is now back then, I'm sure there would be plenty more like you calling them out.

EDIT: And as much as I love Turner, what's his ceiling? Jalen Rose, possibly a poor man's Grant Hill? Jamal Mashburn? Wall's ceiling is a bigger Chris Paul and I'll take my chances with that given his age and skill level.

[Go Getter]

Each of those guys came in to the league with plenty of weaknesses to their games and doubts about whether or not they would live up to the hype. It's easy for you to list them now that they have panned out (for the most part). And if this board and the media were as big as it is now back then, I'm sure there would be plenty more like you calling them out.

EDIT: And as much as I love Turner, what's his ceiling? Jalen Rose, possibly a poor man's Grant Hill? Jamal Mashburn? Wall's ceiling is a bigger Chris Paul and I'll take my chances with that given his age and skill level.


I agree that those players had their weakneses I'm just commenting on wow:eek: factor in that particular instance [forgot Bron]...I was referring to the fact that his athleticism is a bit overrated [passing and handle are not IMO].

I'm still taking Wall as of now but if I was a GM and Turner did extremely well and Wall not so well [in workouts] I might consider taking Turner with Harris already on the roster but it would be a very tough decision.

I'm very high on Turner and see him as being more like a better version on Jalen Rose [sho was one of my favorites as well] so it's not a knock on Wall.

People say age and skill level a lot when referring to Wall but what gives man he's like a soph college kid coming into the league which is not unusual.

[Go Getter]

Wall has a better jump shot than rose coming out of college and makes better plays as point guard. Only advantage for rose is his nba ready body.


I would argue that they are at about the same level [Rose hot a better percentage though] with Rose having better form Wall kinda does the Scottie Pippen short-arm sometimes.

I do think Wall has better court vision, passes incredible lobs with ease, and has a penchant for making pretty sick passes. But they had the same amount of assists basically with Wall having much more turnovers so you have to factor that into the whole "true PG" debtate...it's only fair.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

OJMamba.... I would be would be willing to bet you that he measures: 1) 30 inches on his standing Vert.... he is not explosive at all, and 2) that his max vert is less than 37 inches.

The bet will be that I will be the first one to post on this board saying how wrong I was. And if you lose, you have to do the same. Deal?

What he does is pull himself up to the rim on his dunks. He swings up with that jungle jim routine. So many of the pictures you see of him are deceiving.... because they were taken after he has done a pull-up. What I watch is his head as it first approaches the rim. And this dude is a lowrider. He will max 36.5 ...... maybe 37.

Worse yet, Wall does not possess a killer "first step". And that will hurt him big time in the NBA game. As a PG, you need that explosive 1st step. Wall lacks this.

:wtf:

http://content.draftexpress.com/gallery/JohnWall/1260945902.jpg

are we talking about this player? Every scouting report on his has him as a freakish athlete.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

PleezeBelieve, your one of the best evaluator of talent on this board. This honestly shocks me your think, so little of John Wall.

His game will flourish in an NBA game where little zone is being played.

[Go Getter]

:wtf:

http://content.draftexpress.com/gallery/JohnWall/1260945902.jpg

are we talking about this player? Every scouting report on his has him as a freakish athlete.


Hey he could be a freakish athlete and still not have an elite first step but I'm not going to sit here and co-sign that he doesn't have it because he looks like he has all the physical tools.

[Go Getter]

PleezeBelieve, your one of the best evaluator of talent on this board. This honestly shocks me your think, so little of John Wall.

His game will flourish in an NBA game where little zone is being played.


What about defense? What about the propensity to turn the ball over? What about his unimpressive play in the halfcourt? What about his average touch around the basket and shaky J? What about the fact that he hasn't really been challenged by a top notch player yet?

I mean I think the kid is awesome but I'm definitely not as sold on him as most ISHiots.

[wang4three]

I agree that those players had their weakneses I'm just commenting on wow:eek: factor in that particular instance [forgot Bron]...I was referring to the fact that his athleticism is a bit overrated [passing and handle are not IMO].

I don't know what to say if you watched Wall at all this year you'd see that he has tremendous talent. What do you mean by wow factor? Dunking? He's had plenty of great dunks. Handles? He sure has it. Speed? Without question.



I'm still taking Wall as of now but if I was a GM and Turner did extremely well and Wall not so well [in workouts] I might consider taking Turner with Harris already on the roster but it would be a very tough decision.

Wall may not even do workouts if he's the consensus #1. I like Devin, but if you have a shot a real franchise player then you take Wall. Devin is a 2nd option, 3rd option on a legitimate conference team. Also he's not as young as you'd think and with the mounting injuries, lack of leadership, I don't know if he's even worth hanging onto.



I'm very high on Turner and see him as being more like a better version on Jalen Rose [sho was one of my favorites as well] so it's not a knock on Wall.

It's really funny that you're burning John Wall for averaging 4TOs when Evan averaged more.

I love Evan. I'm a Big Ten fan, I've seen probably 25 of his games this season. In fact I made this thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160021) after the game at Purdue. I'm still a fan though he talked smack about my Alma Mater, Illinois.. But I just don't think his ceiling can get that much higher. Jalen, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson are nice players, but even if he was going to be the next Penny (which I don't really think he will be) I'm not sure I'd take him over Wall.



People say age and skill level a lot when referring to Wall but what gives man he's like a soph college kid coming into the league which is not unusual.

Sophomores with the talent of John Wall are unusual. If you're trying to diminish it, you'd be mistaken.

[Go Getter]

I don't know what to say if you watched Wall at all this year you'd see that he has tremendous talent. What do you mean by wow factor? Dunking? He's had plenty of great dunks. Handles? He sure has it. Speed? Without question.



Wall may not even do workouts if he's the consensus #1. I like Devin, but if you have a shot a real franchise player then you take Wall. Devin is a 2nd option, 3rd option on a legitimate conference team. Also he's not as young as you'd think and with the mounting injuries, lack of leadership, I don't know if he's even worth hanging onto.



It's really funny that you're burning John Wall for averaging 4TOs when Evan averaged more.

I love Evan. I'm a Big Ten fan, I've seen probably 25 of his games this season. In fact I made this thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160021) after the game at Purdue. I'm still a fan though he talked smack about my Alma Mater, Illinois.. But I just don't think his ceiling can get that much higher. Jalen, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson are nice players, but even if he was going to be the next Penny (which I don't really think he will be) I'm not sure I'd take him over Wall.



Sophomores with the talent of John Wall are unusual. If you're trying to diminish it, you'd be mistaken.

1.) Haven't seen any eye-popping dunks...some good ones though...just being honest...his speed and handle were awesome though I'll give him that...the wow factor I'm talking about is something you can't describe...like I said players like Webber, Bron, Vince, and AI were:eek: ...I don't quite see Wall like that.

2.) You're right concerning Devin....like I said...I'd consider it but I'd still go with Wall as of now.

3.) Turner played 3 positions while being the man for his team...Wall is projected as a PG and Turner a SG...so really turns worry me more for Wall than Evan but you do have a point.

[PleezeBelieve]

I don't know what to say if you watched Wall at all this year you'd see that he has tremendous talent. What do you mean by wow factor? Dunking? He's had plenty of great dunks. Handles? He sure has it. Speed? Without question.



Wall may not even do workouts if he's the consensus #1. I like Devin, but if you have a shot a real franchise player then you take Wall. Devin is a 2nd option, 3rd option on a legitimate conference team. Also he's not as young as you'd think and with the mounting injuries, lack of leadership, I don't know if he's even worth hanging onto.



It's really funny that you're burning John Wall for averaging 4TOs when Evan averaged more.

I love Evan. I'm a Big Ten fan, I've seen probably 25 of his games this season. In fact I made this thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160021) after the game at Purdue. I'm still a fan though he talked smack about my Alma Mater, Illinois.. But I just don't think his ceiling can get that much higher. Jalen, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson are nice players, but even if he was going to be the next Penny (which I don't really think he will be) I'm not sure I'd take him over Wall.



Sophomores with the talent of John Wall are unusual. If you're trying to diminish it, you'd be mistaken.
:oldlol: @ this entire post.

Wow.

Just wow.

Are you serious with this stuff? True franchise player? Taking Wall over a healthy Penny?

And yet in all of your post you posting nothing to substantiate such ridiculous claims. Wall averaged those turnovers without being the true focal point of the Kentucky's offense, not to mention the elite talent he was playing with. Unlike the the true #1 option players you keep bringing up.

I mean, there are just so many holes in this guy's game that I'm honestly bewildered at the level of praise you heap on him.

I'm rather speechless. Talking like this at the beginning of the college basketball season...cool. It was before you had a chance to see him play. But now? C'mon guy, its inexcusable.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

What about defense? What about the propensity to turn the ball over? What about his unimpressive play in the halfcourt? What about his average touch around the basket and shaky J? What about the fact that he hasn't really been challenged by a top notch player yet?

I mean I think the kid is awesome but I'm definitely not as sold on him as most ISHiots.



Wall on the ball d is shaky, but he is a great weakside shot blocker for his size he is going to be the best blocking pg in the league and few disagree there. and plays passing lanes so he gets a lot oof steals.

Russell Westbrook is the most turnover prone pg in the leauge and nobody is close. and look how he is doing.

Halfcourt play is due to obssessive zone in college. He will be fine and will prosper in a 1-4 high high pick and roll set ala Chris Paul.

How many high potential players actually have a good jumper nowadays it is a lost art e will be fine.

While I do agree with you, his HS competition was weak as *** compared to a few before him and there were no big time point guard in college. I can't wait to see him matching with all the PGs in the league. The Rose matchup will be on national tv.

[PleezeBelieve]

And please stop talking like this guy is the pre-destined #1 pick. I know atleast three teams who don't take him. Plus Cousins and Turner could have lights out workouts, leaving Wall battling to hang on to the #3 slot.

Hahahahaha @ thinking this dude doesn't need to earn his draft slot.

[PleezeBelieve]

Wall on the ball d is shaky, but he is a great weakside shot blocker for his size he is going to be the best blocking pg in the league and few disagree there. and plays passing lanes so he gets a lot oof steals.

Russell Westbrook is the most turnover prone pg in the leauge and nobody is close. and look how he is doing.

Halfcourt play is due to obssessive zone in college. He will be fine and will prosper in a 1-4 high high pick and roll set ala Chris Paul.

How many high potential players actually have a good jumper nowadays it is a lost art e will be fine.

While I do agree with you, his HS competition was weak as *** compared to a few before him and there were no big time point guard in college. I can't wait to see him matching with all the PGs in the league. The Rose matchup will be on national tv.
So you comparing Paul to this guy now???

CP3 is a 48%/40%/88+ guy, son.

Think before you talk. Why you think Paul kills in those 1-4 and P&R sets? Cause he can SHOOT!!!

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

And please stop talking like this guy is the pre-destined #1 pick. I know atleast three teams who don't take him. Plus Cousins and Turner could have lights out workouts, leaving Wall battling to hang on to the #3 slot.

Hahahahaha @ thinking this dude doesn't need to earn his draft slot.

PB, it really depends on which team gets that number 1 pick. If it is the Nets he won't have to workout just measure his height weight bodyfat and winspan. Because their fanbase are so sold on John Wall being the next one.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

So you comparing Paul to this guy now???

CP3 is a 48%/40%/88+ guy, son.

Think before you talk. Why you think Paul kills in those 1-4 and P&R sets? Cause he can SHOOT!!!

No no pb. I meant CP3 has the offense he runs. Just like in Deron has the flex and LA has the triangle. I was trying to imply that Wall would be in 1-4 offense where he wasn't in college because of zone play and can really benefit from it.

[Go Getter]

Weakside shot blocker for his size he is going to be the best blocking pg in the league and few disagree there. and plays passing lanes so he gets a lot oof steals.

Russell Westbrook is the most turnover prone pg in the leauge and nobody is close. and look how he is doing.



Duly noted.

[OnceInADECADE]

READ THIS ARTICLE THIS IS ABOUT JOHN WALL AND DERRICK ROSE
By Adi Joseph
Thu, 05/06/2010 - 4:29pm
Since Magic Johnson was drafted No. 1 overall by the Los Angeles Lakers in 1979, just one other true point guard has been taken with the top pick.

That player was an unbelievable athlete with endless highlight-reel plays and the kind of upside that rivaled Johnson's. He was a product of John Calipari's dribble-drive offense, and the star of a team that didn't seem to lose, loaded with NBA talent. He was a freshman when he entered the NBA Draft, disproving the ideology that lead guards only ripen with experience.

John Wall/Derrick RoseIt's only natural for John Wall to continuously be compared to Derrick Rose, the top pick in the 2008 NBA Draft. Wall is the clear favorite to be drafted first overall in 2010 after a marvelous freshman season under Calipari's guidance at Kentucky.

Wall and Rose share the gift of the spectacular, consistently dazzling opponents with show-stopping dunks and passes and crossovers that would make Tim Hardaway proud.

These are special players. What they aren't, then, are identical twins. Despite the common traits and despite the inevitable comparisons, Wall is not Rose, a mistake no team drafting him should make. And maybe that's not such a bad thing.

Rose is, as Denny Green would say, who we thought he was. The Chicago kid landed in his hometown destination, and his performance this past season made it clear: Derrick Rose is a star. He averaged 20.8 points per game in the regular season, then 26.8 and 7.2 rebounds per contest in a five-game playoff series with the Cleveland Cavaliers. His teammates were overmatched, but he belonged.

We've always known Rose to be a prime-time player. His high school team became the first in Chicago public league history to win consecutive state titles. He then carried Memphis to the NCAA Championship game, the alpha dog on a team loaded with college stars. In his two Final Four games, Rose put on a clinic, scoring 43 points with 15 rebounds and 12 assists.

Wall shrugged. In his one year at Kentucky, he put up better numbers (16.6 points and 6.5 assists per game to Rose's 14.9 and 4.7) and led a similarly dominant squad to a similarly impressive record, 35-3 with an Elite Eight loss to a more experienced West Virginia squad.

At this point, there's little doubt Wall deserves to be the No. 1 pick in the NBA Draft. His upside is much greater than Ohio State star Evan Turner's, and he's simply better now than anyone else in the draft. Similarly, Rose might not have been as good a college player as Michael Beasley, but he was probably better than anyone else available, and he trumped Beasley in most other regards.

But these are two different players. Wall dominates with his speed. Rarely can one find a player who operates at such a high level while running at full speed. No one can catch this kid on a break, and he may instantly become the fastest player in the NBA, at least with the ball. More impressive, he keeps his peripheral vision broad and is a brilliant passer in the open court.

He's longer and taller than any player who could hope to stay in front of him, and when he is challenged, he generally can simply leap over an opponent. There's no doubting Wall's natural ability. To be precise, Wall can unquestionably do things Rose simply can't.

But Rose was a more polished player coming out of college. While he's got a lot to learn at the defensive end, he's always seemed more interested in it than his younger counterpart. His turnover rate was significantly lower than Wall's, and he operates much more effectively in a half-court set. The NBA is speeding up again, but the remnants of the 1990s remain. You can't win a title on the fast break.

Wall's game reminds me more of Russell Westbrook than Derrick Rose. He's a more natural playmaker than Westbrook, to be sure, but he similarly thrives in the open court. Westbrook's made a case for himself among the NBA's elite point guards, but it's difficult to imagine him carrying a team on a consistent basis, the way Rose lifted the Bulls to the playoffs after a rocky, injured start.

There's nothing John Wall can't do on a basketball court. His length and athleticism indicate that, with the proper focus, he could become an elite defender in the Gary Payton mold. His speed and court vision suggest he may run the fast break with the smoothness and precision of Jason Kidd. His jump shot is smooth enough to suggest he will improve on his 32.5 percent shooting from 3-point range in college.

Still, West Virginia beat Kentucky by playing the Wildcats into a physical scrum. Wall suffered. Unable to use his athleticism to his advantage, he shot just 7-of-18 from the field and committed five turnovers. He appeared visibly frustrated at times, a trait Rose simply does not possess.

Wall's greatest asset, his athleticism, has provided him an overused crutch. Every player in the NBA is athletic, and Wall will not be able to blow by every opponent at the next level.

There is no question John Wall has the talent to dominate in the NBA for years to come. The question is, will he slow down enough to figure it all out?

[OnceInADECADE]

JOHN WALL
http://npinopunintended.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/john-wall1.jpg
Strengths: Has the size and physical tools to become an incredible player ... Not many players at his position have the combination of speed and athleticism that he possesses … At least once or twice a game he will make a brilliant play that shows the amount of potential that he has … He is able to consistently finish above the rim, both in transition and in traffic … He has an extra gear which allows him to turn the corner or to explode by defenders in the open court … Going full speed he is not only faster than anyone else on the court, but he is also very comfortable handling the ball as he is weaving through defenders … Very impressive is his ability to change direction in mid-stride while going full speed … In ISO situations, he is almost impossible to stop because of his great first step as well as the variety of moves that he can use off the dribble … He has good instincts and because he consistently gets into the lane, he is very good at finding teammates when the help defense comes over … His freakish athleticism and extremely long arms make him a serious threat in the passing lanes as well as a weakside shotblocker

HI HATERS

[OnceInADECADE]

Derrick Rose
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/files/2009/05/drose.jpg
A breath taking athlete with terrific size for the point guard position at 6-3 … His upside is truly special … An absolutely dazzling dunker with blinding speed … Likely to be the most athletic PG in the league for years to come … A point guard in the truest sense of the word. His development in this area has been phenomenal in the past 2 years (which is apparent when you read his profile from a year and a half ago) … Knows how to run a team, and raises the level of play of his teammates … A pass-first point guard with excellent court vision … Has a rare ability to create passing lanes, finding and creating shots for teammates who do not appear to be open … A relentless defender with quick hands and length. Gets low and will lock his man down on defense and should only improve. Gives the same intensity and effort on both ends of the floor Excellent handle on the ball, with a deadly crossover, very tough to contain one on one … A constant threat to blow by his man off the dribble … Rarely shows much emotion, very calm on and off-court demeanor, does not get rattled easily … Plays with a high level of intensity remaining level-headed … Deadly on the fast break with his passing ability and athleticism … Powerful leaper. Can get his head at rim level and has the strength to go into traffic and dunk on people Catlike quickness and body control … Excellent finisher around the basket even after contact Clutch player who raises his level of play against good competition and wants the ball in crunch time … Hits his foul shots at a good rate … Very team-oriented with a great attitude. Willing to learn, very coachable and still improving … Accustomed to the 'family feeling' with his teams (he is very close with his high school teammates, and his AAU team, coached by his brother, consisting mostly of his high school teammates). Has a close knit group surrounding him and protecting his future … Tough as nails competitor. A warrior who leaves it out on the floor every time out … A true floor general who shows a solid understanding of the game. Good decision maker. Has very long arms and strong hands … Loves to drive and hang in the air and shoot when hes cleared the defense … Very crafty at making shots around the basket, especially fadeways getting great height on his jumpers … Excellent rebounder due to his size, strength and tenacity

JUST NASTY I AM A FAN OF BOTH JOHN WALL AND DERRICK ROSE 2 GREATS PLAYERS I BELIEVE WILL BE THE BEST POINT GUARDS IN THIS DECADE

[LebrickJames84']

JUST NASTY I AM A FAN OF BOTH JOHN WALL AND DERRICK ROSE 2 GREATS PLAYERS I BELIEVE WILL BE THE BEST POINT GUARDS IN THIS DECADE

Where is Chris Paul last time i checked he just turned 25 yesterday. He is only 3.5 years older than Derrick Rose. Rajon Rondo is 24 where is he going. Deron Williams is 25 also. How about Steph Curry? Tyreke Evans? Russell Westbrook?

John Wall hasn't even played yet, he didn't even dominate one game in college. This Wall hype will stop when his rookie years and people realize he isn't the next Magic Johnson.

[kunk75]

college pgs will rarely dominate because of the lack of IQ among the other players on their team.

[wang4three]

:oldlol: @ this entire post.

Wow.

Just wow.

Are you serious with this stuff? True franchise player? Taking Wall over a healthy Penny?

And yet in all of your post you posting nothing to substantiate such ridiculous claims. Wall averaged those turnovers without being the true focal point of the Kentucky's offense, not to mention the elite talent he was playing with. Unlike the the true #1 option players you keep bringing up.

I mean, there are just so many holes in this guy's game that I'm honestly bewildered at the level of praise you heap on him.

I'm rather speechless. Talking like this at the beginning of the college basketball season...cool. It was before you had a chance to see him play. But now? C'mon guy, its inexcusable.

You can continue with your senseless and unsubstantiated banter, I'm not going to even dignify it with a real response. You talk about me being factless, you just can't see past your own hate. All you do is talk down on Wall and your sensational agendas. I couldn't ****ing care less what your opinion is on the matter, or any other matter.

[ILLsmak]

Yeah, man the way I feel about stuff like this... is everyone comes in and says their piece and then we wait to bump it in a few years... haha. Or someone will, for sure, cuz people love hyping themselves or putting down other people.

It makes no sense to vehemently argue and say " YOU ARE WRONG " because there is no proof. Hey, I've heard all of this shit before... people saying KD was going to be mediocre, or saying Beasley was going to be better than Rose.

It's just a feeling you get. Like with KD, you knew he was just a basketball player. While Rose an amazing player, I think Wall has that 'player' mold more than Rose, and in the end that really makes a difference. I used to think that Wall was a score first PG, but I don't think he is. Like I said, I tend to be overcritical of what I feel is overhyped, but once I feel it's proven then I am like... oh ok.

So let's just wait.

-Smak

[PleezeBelieve]

Yeah, man the way I feel about stuff like this... is everyone comes in and says their piece and then we wait to bump it in a few years... haha. Or someone will, for sure, cuz people love hyping themselves or putting down other people.

It makes no sense to vehemently argue and say " YOU ARE WRONG " because there is no proof. Hey, I've heard all of this shit before... people saying KD was going to be mediocre, or saying Beasley was going to be better than Rose.

It's just a feeling you get. Like with KD, you knew he was just a basketball player. While Rose an amazing player, I think Wall has that 'player' mold more than Rose, and in the end that really makes a difference. I used to think that Wall was a score first PG, but I don't think he is. Like I said, I tend to be overcritical of what I feel is overhyped, but once I feel it's proven then I am like... oh ok.

So let's just wait.

-Smak
You better check my post history, son. I dont need to wait a few years for anything. My player evaluation skills are unparalleled.

It I say it, its probably true.

[GOBB]

You better check my post history, son. I dont need to wait a few years for anything. My player evaluation skills are unparalleled.

It I say it, its probably true.

I find it funny in an earlier post you listed Derrick Rose as a player Wall would never be as good as (on his level). Yet Derrick Rose was a player you trashed here. Not only on the court but off the court. You're just a lame individual. There will come a day in your life where the act gets boring, tiresome and you cringe at even the thought of posting some nonsense.

[TheTruth11]

Derrick Rose
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/files/2009/05/drose.jpg
A breath taking athlete with terrific size for the point guard position at 6-3 … His upside is truly special … An absolutely dazzling dunker with blinding speed … Likely to be the most athletic PG in the league for years to come … A point guard in the truest sense of the word. His development in this area has been phenomenal in the past 2 years (which is apparent when you read his profile from a year and a half ago) … Knows how to run a team, and raises the level of play of his teammates … A pass-first point guard with excellent court vision … Has a rare ability to create passing lanes, finding and creating shots for teammates who do not appear to be open … A relentless defender with quick hands and length. Gets low and will lock his man down on defense and should only improve. Gives the same intensity and effort on both ends of the floor Excellent handle on the ball, with a deadly crossover, very tough to contain one on one … A constant threat to blow by his man off the dribble … Rarely shows much emotion, very calm on and off-court demeanor, does not get rattled easily … Plays with a high level of intensity remaining level-headed … Deadly on the fast break with his passing ability and athleticism … Powerful leaper. Can get his head at rim level and has the strength to go into traffic and dunk on people Catlike quickness and body control … Excellent finisher around the basket even after contact Clutch player who raises his level of play against good competition and wants the ball in crunch time … Hits his foul shots at a good rate … Very team-oriented with a great attitude. Willing to learn, very coachable and still improving … Accustomed to the 'family feeling' with his teams (he is very close with his high school teammates, and his AAU team, coached by his brother, consisting mostly of his high school teammates). Has a close knit group surrounding him and protecting his future … Tough as nails competitor. A warrior who leaves it out on the floor every time out … A true floor general who shows a solid understanding of the game. Good decision maker. Has very long arms and strong hands … Loves to drive and hang in the air and shoot when hes cleared the defense … Very crafty at making shots around the basket, especially fadeways getting great height on his jumpers … Excellent rebounder due to his size, strength and tenacity

JUST NASTY I AM A FAN OF BOTH JOHN WALL AND DERRICK ROSE 2 GREATS PLAYERS I BELIEVE WILL BE THE BEST POINT GUARDS IN THIS DECADE


Excellent post. DRose is waaay more explosive than Wall and it is not even close.

Wall wishes he had the springs that Rose has.... and Wall wishes he posssessed the killa "first step" and quickness that Rose has.

Wall has potential as a playmaker if he can cut down on the turnovers. And he has good strightline speed. But Wall struggles in the half court set because he lacks an elite "first step" and quickness.

Let Wall be a punt returner on the Court and he does well. Force him to create in the half court and he struggles. DRose can kill you full court or half court. Pick ya poisen baby. :bowdown:

[Kingwillball]

Excellent post. DRose is waaay more explosive than Wall and it is not even close.

Wall wishes he had the springs that Rose has.... and Wall wishes he posssessed the killa "first step" and quickness that Rose has.

Wall has potential as a playmaker if he can cut down on the turnovers. And he has good strightline speed. But Wall struggles in the half court set because he lacks an elite "first step" and quickness.

Let Wall be a punt returner on the Court and he does well. Force him to create in the half court and he struggles. DRose can kill you full court or half court. Pick ya poisen baby. :bowdown:


Truth..Your an Idiot..Don't post anymore Dope..Sick of seeing U post the Same crap like 5 Times already.. Wall is Not Quick like Pres Obama is Not Black..

[LA_Showtime]

Eh, I still don't think Rose is a pass first point guard. Can he pass? Absolutely. But he has yet to show his play-making abilities are up to par with Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, etc.

[TheTruth11]

Upshoot for John Wall = DWade minus the quickness and outside shot but with more straightline speed and a few more assists

Most likely scenario = John Wall is Jamal Crawford with a few more assists

John Wall = Jamal Crawford

[OnceInADECADE]

Eh, I still don't think Rose is a pass first point guard. Can he pass? Absolutely. But he has yet to show his play-making abilities are up to par with Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, etc.

give him a legit big man n he would he show u

[CelticPride13]

I am going to bump this thread in 2-3 years and hes an all-star
Did that for you :banana: :banana: :D :D

[fpliii]

Wall really picked it up after coming back this season. Great to see him living up to his potential, and everyone's looking forward to his continued development.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Did that for you :banana: :banana: :D :D


:applause: :oldlol:

[Wavy Crockett]

If he doesn't improve his jumpshot he will be a 15\8 player with a 18\10 prime. If he can get a good shot from the perimiter he will easily be a 18\11 guy with a 20\12 prime.

http://youtu.be/QPPN_gkj_gk?t=43s

:applause: