Perkins>>>>>>Bynum.

[phoenix18]

Stop overrating Bynum to death already.

Perkins is a much,much,much better defender and rebounder.

Bynum is just a black hole.

[niko]

Perkins is a great defender and a super solid role player. But dude, really? Really really? Yes, the Laker fans overrate Bynum (and every other player who wears the LA on their uniform) but really? Really really?

[crisoner]

Stop overrating Bynum to death already.

Perkins is a much,much,much better defender and rebounder.

Bynum is just a black hole.


What did Bynum do f*ck your sister and slap your Mama?
Stop hating.

[phoenix18]

What did Bynum do f*ck your sister and slap your Mama?
Stop hating.

Why is bynum better? I want to know how I am hating?

People always claim someone is hating when they dont have anything else worthwhile to say.

Yes, Bynum did f*ck my eight year old sister and slap my mom. Real cool. :rolleyes:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Perkins is a great defender and a super solid role player. But dude, really? Really really? Yes, the Laker fans overrate Bynum (and every other player who wears the LA on their uniform) but really? Really really?
i don't know, haters most common argument is the entire lakers roster is made up of future hall of famers and current all-stars.

[All Net]

Stop overrating Bynum to death already.

Perkins is a much,much,much better defender and rebounder.

Bynum is just a black hole.

Perkins is a better post defender he is does nothing better than Bynum after that. Give me a guy who has good post moves, good footwork,bigger, longer, better scorer and rebounder.

Bynum can be a legit 20 and 10 guy over the next 5+ years if he stays healthy all Perkins will ever be is a good defender who can give you 10 and 9

[thejumpa]

It's a fair comparison. Perkins is a better defender and I'd say a better rebounder. Bynum is just taller and has a much more polished offensive game. People on this board tend to see your post moves and ppg as the be all and end all so you can already expect what everyone will say.

[airchibundo507]

Perkins would do better than Bynum in L.A.

Bynum would do better than Perkins in Boston.

[airchibundo507]

It's a fair comparison. Perkins is a better defender and I'd say a better rebounder. Bynum is just taller and has a much more polished offensive game. People on this board tend to see your post moves and ppg as the be all and end all so you can already expect what everyone will say.

A role player is more replaceable than a franchise player.

[stephanieg]

Perkins hasn't been playing up to his usual standards in these playoffs. He has a non-shoulder injury right?

[Kensta]

Lakers fan here and I rather have Perkins than Bynum anyday.

[dutchguy]

Bynum is inconsistent as hell, but he's able to put up 20+ppg and 10+ rebounds. Oh and he's not a great m2m defender, but he has some nasty blocks
What (except defense) does Perkins do better?



Wait I know: get T's

[thejumpa]

A role player is more replaceable than a franchise player.

Meaning?

[ProfessorMurder]

Perkins is a better post defender he is does nothing better than Bynum after that. Give me a guy who has good post moves, good footwork,bigger, longer, better scorer and rebounder.

Bynum can be a legit 20 and 10 guy over the next 5+ years if he stays healthy all Perkins will ever be is a good defender who can give you 10 and 9

Give me a guy who will punch your guy in the mouth... So I want Perk on my team.

[airchibundo507]

Meaning?

You can build a squad around Bynum and not Perkins. There are such few big men with actual post scoring ability---Bynum is one of them.

[Batz]

You're a suns fan so I'm not gonna even brother.

Tired of feeding trolls... :hammerhead:

[phoenix18]

Perkins is a better post defender he is does nothing better than Bynum after that. Give me a guy who has good post moves, good footwork,bigger, longer, better scorer and rebounder.

Bynum can be a legit 20 and 10 guy over the next 5+ years if he stays healthy all Perkins will ever be is a good defender who can give you 10 and 9


Whoa. Hold on.

When was the last time Bynum has EVER been "healthy"? I dont think you can just say over the next five years, when the past three he has not been 100%.


You're a suns fan so I'm not gonna even brother.

Tired of feeding trolls... :hammerhead:

I'm not a Suns fan.
Stop assuming and just ask next time.

[dutchguy]

Give me a guy who will punch your guy in the mouth... So I want Perk on my team.
:applause:
Yup
for the record: I love Perk and I don't like Bynum and his lethargic looks, I don't think he'll do anything on his own and I don't think you should build a team around him. There's a reason Phil doesn't like him

[crisoner]

OP

This is a redundant topic/thread here on ISH.
We know some of you people dislike or don't think highly of Bynum.
Stop the BS it been said too many times before.
Hence f*ck your agenda and stop being a broken record.

[All Net]

Whoa. Hold on.

When was the last time Bynum has EVER been "healthy"? I dont think you can just say over the next five years, when the past three he has not been 100%.
.

Thats why I said IF. There's no doubt he will need to start playing more games. He just needs to get over the injury bug. Fact is if he does then he will become more of L.A's focal point as other guys get older. He has shown what he has done when given shots and the ball inside. He is a legit 20 and 10 guy when given the chance he is just immature at times which hurts his game. He needs to work on passing out of double teams but he is only 22 he will continue to develop

Fact is there aren't many bigs these days who can do what Bynum can do now and in the future. a 7'1 center with long arms, good post moves and good footwork are rare.

[phoenix18]

OP

This is a redundant topic/thread here on ISH.
We know some of you people dislike or don't think highly of Bynum.
Stop the BS it been said too many times before.
Hence f*ck your agenda and stop being a broken record.

Stop being a b*tch already. All you do is whine. STFU. Counter my argument. Is this really what you do in real life? I honestly want to know. Are you this effeminate whenever someone disagrees with you? Honestly, there was no need to act like I put my d*ck up your ass but you feel the need to insult me. I cant believe grown men act so childish just because we're on the internet. Do I remind you of some bully that made you piss your pants on the playground? The same bully that stole your lunch money and your prom date?

Now onto this agenda....what agenda do I have?

Seriously, what agenda do I have? Just because I say negative things about the Lakers, doesnt mean I hate them. Furthermore, why should my opinion matter so much that you label me a hater and claim that Bynum raped my little sister and slapped my mom? I remember when you chastised me over a simple gay joke and that should have probably let me know that you are little too sensitive to internet matters.

I have said positive things about Kobe and the rest of the Lakers too you know. Too bad no one remembers those and people like you and rest of pitchfork mob crew only bookmark the select times I say something negative.

If I rubbed you the wrong way by creating this thread......you need to grow a set.

[JohnnySic]

I dont think Perkins is better than Bynum but I think many teams would prefer what Perk brings to the table...

[Se]

I'd take injury-free Bynum in a heartbeat. KG and Clifford Ray would do wonders with him on D

[thejumpa]

You can build a squad around Bynum and not Perkins. There are such few big men with actual post scoring ability---Bynum is one of them.

You could be right. However, Perkins is still solid. He could start on any team in the NBA in the Center position. He's the perfect player to play with a KG/Duncan/Gasol/Dwight. Bynum can score, but he can't defend or bring the intensity like Perkins can. Perkins doesn't take many plays off and Bynum can look a little slow sometimes.

It's probably a wash but Bynum will definitely get more chances to shine and ultimately look better because of his offensive game(which is huge no doubt). Looks like his health will continue to be an issue, though.

[phoenix18]

[QUOTE=Se

[All Net]

You could be right. However, Perkins is still solid. He could start on any team in the NBA in the Center position. He's the perfect player to play with a KG/Duncan/Gasol/Dwight. Bynum can score, but he can't defend or bring the intensity like Perkins can. Perkins doesn't take many plays off and Bynum can look a little slow sometimes.

It's probably a wash but Bynum will definitely get more chances to shine and ultimately look better because of his offensive game(which is huge no doubt). Looks like his health will continue to be an issue, though.

Bynum certainly can defend, he is very good at clogging the paint. Sometimes he is slow at times at rotating and moving his feet but generally he is key to the interior defense. He along with Pau gave Dwight alot of trouble last year.

[Se]

I love Perk's D, but hate watching him operate in the post.

[Batz]

Anyone mind posting Bynums stats head to head vs the Celtics and Perkins this season?

[kurple]

A role player is more replaceable than a franchise player.
Did you just call Bynum a franchise player? :roll:

[thejumpa]

Bynum certainly can defend, he is very good at clogging the paint. Sometimes he is slow at times at rotating and moving his feet but generally he is key to the interior defense. He along with Pau gave Dwight alot of trouble last year.

Yeah, his size/lack of speed can both help and hurt LA. Dude looks like a huge sloth out there sometimes. I remember seeing him at a car shop in LA and thinking "that is one big, slow ass basketball player". He's a giant.

When you combine him with another 7 footer, it's definitely going to cause problems. On the flipside, look at the problems Perkins/Garnett have caused for people. Imagine if KG was 3-4 years younger when he joined Boston. Bynum would look great on his own where Perkins is at his best when he is playing within a teams defense and with another great PF/C.

[kurple]

You're a suns fan so I'm not gonna even brother.

Tired of feeding trolls... :hammerhead:
I thought he was a raptors fan

[ProfessorMurder]

Anyone mind posting Bynums stats head to head vs the Celtics and Perkins this season?

Bynum played in a game this season?

[Batz]

Bynum played in a game this season?
Yes. And I remember seeing highlights of him dunking on KG and Perkins.

[quasimoto]

Lol. Sure Perkins is an excellent player but I'll take the one who can score.

[airchibundo507]

Anyone mind posting Bynums stats head to head vs the Celtics and Perkins this season?

bynum = 16.5 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg, 50.0% FG (30 mpg)
perkins = 10.5 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg, 57.1% FG (31.5 mpg)

[Batz]

bynum = 16.5 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg, 50.0% FG (30 mpg)
perkins = 10.5 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg, 57.1% FG (31.5 mpg)
Yeah, Imma take Bynum.

[pete's montreux]

Perkins impact is far more important to our team than Bynum's impact on yours

Defense will always be more valuable than offense, especially in Bynum's situation. What is Los Angeles record when Bynum is out? Did they even lose a game?

[airchibundo507]

Did you just call Bynum a franchise player? :roll:

He can create for himself offensively and has 20/10 potential. He doesn't look impressive right now because he is used as a third/fourth option scorer.

[highwhey]

bynum = 16.5 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg, 50.0% FG (30 mpg)
perkins = 10.5 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg, 57.1% FG (31.5 mpg)
now who's getting paid more? i'd take perkins if his salary is significantly better, simply because you can always fill the roster with great offensive abilities. harder to come by with a guy as tough as perkins.

[Bigsmoke]

joakim noah >>>>> Perkins

Bynum > Noah

but i would rathat have Noah since he does get injured as much and love his energy and intensity

[Jr Llaban]

Sometimes i feel as if i'm the only Laker fan who has Bynum as their favorite player. I mean, that's strictly from a fan perspective at least. Bynum > Perk in the future, but Perk really has great post d and can give you 8-12 ppg off of hustle/2nd chance opportunities. Bynum is stepping up in the playoffs though, doing things he was ridiculed for not doing BEFORE he had gotten re-injured. Such as diving for loose balls and hustling to get every rebound.

[phoenix18]

Perkins impact is far more important to our team than Bynum's impact on yours

Defense will always be more valuable than offense, especially in Bynum's situation. What is Los Angeles record when Bynum is out? Did they even lose a game?

Don't bother.

Since Bynum scores more and works with KAJ, he is better. Lets not forget the fact that everytime he passes its on ESPN's not top ten but that doesnt matter he scores more.

I like how scoring all of a sudden matters more than defense.

I guess Ben Wallace is just a garbage player too, lets take Bynum over him.

[Batz]

now who's getting paid more? i'd take perkins if his salary is significantly better, simply because you can always fill the roster with great offensive abilities. harder to come by with a guy as tough as perkins.
Uhm... Bynum is 7'1 ft 290lbs+ of muscle. He doesn't need a mean face to be tough. :confusedshrug:


Don't bother.

Since Bynum scores more and works with KAJ, he is better. Lets not forget the fact that everytime he passes its on ESPN's not top ten but that doesnt matter he scores more.

I like how scoring all of a sudden matters more than defense.

I guess Ben Wallace is just a garbage player too, lets take Bynum over him.
Uhm... Bynum plays only 2 more minutes and grabs more rebounds then Perkins...
He also nearly avg's the same amount of blocks.
Bynum is on a better rebounding team. Perkins is on a pretty bad one.
Bynum has been injured throughout the regular season yet, his avgs are nearly as good as perkins.
Bynum is also scores more points, gets less TOs, shoots a better FT% etc.


Bynum is 7'1, 290;bs+ and is 22 years old.
Perkins is 6'10, 280lbs and is 25 years old.

Honestly, your franchise would fail if you pick Perkins over Bynum.

[ProfessorMurder]

Uhm... Bynum is 7'1 ft 290lbs+ of muscle. He doesn't need a mean face to be tough. :confusedshrug:

Perk is 6'11" 275+ of muscle. He also has a mean face and non-passive attitude. :confusedshrug:

[All Net]

Don't bother.

Since Bynum scores more and works with KAJ, he is better. Lets not forget the fact that everytime he passes its on ESPN's not top ten but that doesnt matter he scores more.

I like how scoring all of a sudden matters more than defense.

I guess Ben Wallace is just a garbage player too, lets take Bynum over him.

Who says scoring means more? fact is you need BOTH. Bynum can score, rebounder and defend. He's no Randolph on defense. Perkins is better on D but don't act like it is a huge gap. Bynum means alot to L.A interior.

[tastystaci]

Perkin's D>Bynum's D

Bynum's O>>>>>>>>>>Perkin's O

Bynum's Upside>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Perkin's Upside

If durability wasn't in question, it wouldn't be close. Because it is, that's why there's even a discussion. I would personally take Bynum, but it is close because of injury concerns.

[Batz]

Who says scoring means more? fact is you need BOTH. Bynum can score, rebounder and defend. He's no Randolph on defense. Perkins is better on D but don't act like it is a huge gap. Bynum means alot to L.A interior.
Exactly. Bynum can do all three. Perkins can do only 2 and struggles to score for himself. :confusedshrug:

[dutchguy]

Exactly. Bynum can do all three. Perkins can do only 2 and struggles to score for himself. :confusedshrug:
Honestly, Bynum has no real defense. m2m, no

[JtotheIzzo]

really dumb and moronic thread.

[phoenix18]

really dumb and moronic thread.
Excellent analysis.:oldlol:

I hope you are smarter than the way you post. If not, the praise you get is not warranted.

To call this thread dumb and moronic(glad you picked up the thesaurus on you way to the computer, it really helps you look intelligent), you are saying that a relatively unproven and overhyped player is better than the best post defender in the nba who always gives 100% and has a huge impact in the game.

You are basically choosing a highlight reel over years of defensive excellence and grittiness.

[BFRESH44]

Perkins is a nice player, and holds ground defensivly far superior.

But Bynum is a much more talented player on the offensive end. And he's solid on the other end by default. Due to the fact that he's 7 feet and pretty agile.

[JtotheIzzo]

Excellent analysis.:oldlol:

I hope you are smarter than the way you post. If not, the praise you get is not warranted.

To call this thread dumb and moronic(glad you picked up the thesaurus on you way to the computer, it really helps you look intelligent), you are saying that a relatively unproven and overhyped player is better than the best post defender in the nba who always gives 100% and has a huge impact in the game.

You are basically choosing a highlight reel over years of defensive excellence and grittiness.


not only do you think Perkins is better (which is laughable on it's own merit), you think he is >>>>>> (that much) better, which is straight out f*cking preposterous.

I didn't think I needed to say anything else, because basically your thread title says it all.

You could take RocketGreatness, PleezeBelieve, and every second laker fan on here, put them through four years of homer troll college, and they still wouldn't have the gumption to make an equally ridiculous assertion.

:roll:

fail is too weak a word, hopefully (for your sake) this is a 'gotcha' moment and you can have a laugh at us for replying to this crap.

[niko]

You can always solve this by doing the "who would make the trade" game. Would the Lakers trade Bynum for Perkins? Would the Celtics trade Perkins for Bynum? We all know the answer, some of us will argue otherwise because it's fun, or we hate the Lakers, but the answer is obvious.

[Lakers13]

I'll take the guy you can build around and has more upside

[crisoner]

OP

http://frankierants.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/broken-record-765056.jpg

This is the problem I have with this thread.
Been said before nothing new. With all the posting you do here on ISH I expect better from you.

[Allstar24]

Seriously?? Bynum leads Perkins in the most important stats (points and rebounds), he is 3 years younger and has the potential to be a franchise player. If the Celtics could trade Perkins for Bynum, they would do it in a heartbeat.

[phoenix18]

not only do you think Perkins is better (which is laughable on it's own merit), you think he is >>>>>> (that much) better, which is straight out f*cking preposterous.

I didn't think I needed to say anything else, because basically your thread title says it all.

You could take RocketGreatness, PleezeBelieve, and every second laker fan on here, put them through four years of homer troll college, and they still wouldn't have the gumption to make an equally ridiculous assertion.

:roll:

fail is too weak a word, hopefully (for your sake) this is a 'gotcha' moment and you can have a laugh at us for replying to this crap.


:sleeping
:bowdown:

I'm austounded by the amount of gumption you are showing. Here you are, criticizing me. Is that anything new? Crisoner is calling me a broken record. Really? Are you guys serious?

Stop being sheep. You are a weak minded elitist bastard. You're nothing. I honestly don't know shit about you.

Why? You are unremarkable and bland, 98% of your posts are just criticizing people for thinking outside of the box.

When was the last time you made a statement on your own? I'm honestly interested. In every thread you piggyback the majority, always afraid to say what you really feel. Anyone can do that. They have computer programs that can do that. Why waste your time saying the same thing over and over, repeating it each day?

You are the same guy that couldn't formulate an argument for Nash so you just kept quoting Eric Foreman and paraphrasing what he said and sprinkled in some insults. Take your psuedo intelligence somewhere else. Anyone can do what you do,I just think it would get boring after 11,000 times.

Then I call you out and you make up some BS about me being a homer troll. Whatever that is..?

Homer troll? If it wasnt already said in this thread, you wouldn't know what team was my favorite. My favorite players have never played for my favorite team. Everyday I'm accused of conflicting interest by you and other posters.

Today I was called a Nash hater in one thread and a Suns homer in another.

Really people?

Does that make any sense? Am I the spudjay of the Suns fans now?

The funny thing is.....you and crisoner moan and complain all day about trash threads broken records....blah blah blah

Why post then? I dont get it. Masochist?

[vapid]

lol I guess this is where phoenix comes to take out his anger.

[Batz]

:sleeping
:bowdown:

I'm austounded by the amount of gumption you are showing. Here you are, criticizing me. Is that anything new? Crisoner is calling me a broken record. Really? Are you guys serious?

Stop being sheep. You are a weak minded elitist bastard. You're nothing. I honestly don't know shit about you.

Why? You are unremarkable and bland, 98% of your posts are just criticizing people for thinking outside of the box.

When was the last time you made a statement on your own? I'm honestly interested. In every thread you piggyback the majority, always afraid to say what you really feel. Anyone can do that. They have computer programs that can do that. Why waste your time saying the same thing over and over, repeating it each day?

You are the same guy that couldn't formulate an argument for Nash so you just kept quoting Eric Foreman and paraphrasing what he said and sprinkled in some insults. Take your psuedo intelligence somewhere else. Anyone can do what you do,I just think it would get boring after 11,000 times.

Then I call you out and you make up some BS about me being a homer troll. Whatever that is..?

Homer troll? If it wasnt already said in this thread, you wouldn't know what team was my favorite. My favorite players have never played for my favorite team. Everyday I'm accused of conflicting interest by you and other posters.

Today I was called a Nash hater in one thread and a Suns homer in another.

Really people?

Does that make any sense? Am I the spudjay of the Suns fans now?

The funny thing is.....you and crisoner moan and complain all day about trash threads broken records....blah blah blah

Why post then? I dont get it. Masochist?
:roll:

[raptorfan_dr07]

You can build a squad around Bynum and not Perkins. There are such few big men with actual post scoring ability---Bynum is one of them.

Thank god you are not a GM. :roll: :roll: I'd build around Bynum if I'm trying to win the lottery.

Perkins>>Bynum. Give me the guy who doesn't take plays off defensively and crashes the glass hard. Doesn't surprise me though that today's generation doesn't give a f*ck about those things that help a team win and is instead brainwashed by the EPSN hype machine that scoring = better player.

Also, I'll take the guy who has a better attitude(although not by much), and actually played a significant role in helping his team win a championship. Perk wasn't the one watching from the bench in street clothes due to one of his many injuries(08) or on the bench because he can't stay out of foul trouble(09).

[Endurance7]

A motivated and healthy Bynum is probably the best center in the whole damn league. :oldlol: Sadly, he's never motivated and he's always hurt in some way. I do think Bynum would be more successful as a Celtic and Perkins would be more successful as a Laker. Celtics need easy/post scoring and Bynum would bring it, along with his size, rebounding ability and defense. Lakers need toughness, rebounding and defense and Perks definitely brings that.

[EroticVanilla]

Phoenix18 with the ether :pimp:

http://mooregroup.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ether.jpg

[ZenMaster]

For those who believe Perkins is that much better of a m2m defender:

http://www.raptorblog.com/100422b.php

Perkins #6 and Bynum #7

Help side defense is something else though. But as for 1on1 in the post Bynum is no slouch and he's just about as good as Perkins.

Oh and Bynum is also 3 years younger than Perk. And that makes a difference.

[MagicalLA]

Bynum is truly overrated in my opinion, but the OP has gone way too far with his first post.

I dont see Perkins being better than Bynum in anything except defense. It isnt a "by far" thing though, but Bynum is more of a "quality player" than Perkins.

[pahisc]

I would take Perkins over Will Bynum in a heartbeat.

[chazzy]

Perkins is a better post man to man defender, but Bynum's defensive impact is less obvious though. His length and shotblocking ability forces players to change shots around the rim, Perkins doesn't have that kind of presence. Bynum's superior offense is really what sets them apart, though. And you wouldn't have made this thread after game 2 :oldlol:

[schyza]

I didn

[RaininTwos]

Allot of substance validating your claim. Do a player comparison and Bynum is better in every category Kendrick averages .3 blks more than Bynum and Bynum averages about 1 min more PT. You say player A is better than player B with nothing to back it up.

Stats are not everything.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

For those who believe Perkins is that much better of a m2m defender:

http://www.raptorblog.com/100422b.php

Perkins #6 and Bynum #7

Help side defense is something else though. But as for 1on1 in the post Bynum is no slouch and he's just about as good as Perkins.

Oh and Bynum is also 3 years younger than Perk. And that makes a difference.

OSHIT! raptorblog.com said it??

IT MUST BE TRUE

[RaininTwos]

OSHIT! raptorblog.com said it??

IT MUST BE TRUE

Bargnani was 14th. Please, who honestly believes that Bargs was a good defender needs to be slapped.

Big z was number two.

Sometimes stats lead people to believe stupid things.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Bargnani was 14th. Please, who honestly believes that Bargs was a good defender needs to be slapped.

Big z was number two.

Sometimes stats lead people to believe stupid things.

:roll: I didnt even look at it, but Big Z number 2? Classic. He was an OK defender in his prime, but Perkins can take anyone straight up. Not saying he's better than Bynum all round, but still.

[MagicalLA]

Defense is one of the aspects that can hardly be measured by stats. Same as playmaking habilities, thats why generally good defensive C`s and good playmaking PG`s dont get the enough credit they get.

In my eyes, Perkins is a very good defensive C, but the only thing we can prove this is by encouraging people to watch games instead of stats.

But again, this is probably the only thing Perks is better than Bynum at.

[ZenMaster]

OSHIT! raptorblog.com said it??

IT MUST BE TRUE

Synergy stats says it. Most NBA teams use synergy for their stats.


It is without a doubt true.

Don't blame me because you don't know how to read and interpret a statistic.

[Witness Manu]

Stop overrating Bynum to death already.

Perkins is a much,much,much better defender and rebounder.

Bynum is just a black hole.
Perkins defense is overrated. Bynum is longer and taller, he is a better defender than perkins on his day and changes more shots. Perk definately wortks harder on the boards though.

Offensively Drew is a top 3 center and 80% free throws. Perkins is average on offense.

Bynum is the better center. Perk's defense is not amazing enough to make up for his lack of offense in comparison to Bynum

You really don't know alot about basketball do you kid

[Kasper]

:sleeping
:bowdown:

I'm austounded by the amount of gumption you are showing. Here you are, criticizing me. Is that anything new? Crisoner is calling me a broken record. Really? Are you guys serious?

Stop being sheep. You are a weak minded elitist bastard. You're nothing. I honestly don't know shit about you.

Why? You are unremarkable and bland, 98% of your posts are just criticizing people for thinking outside of the box.

When was the last time you made a statement on your own? I'm honestly interested. In every thread you piggyback the majority, always afraid to say what you really feel. Anyone can do that. They have computer programs that can do that. Why waste your time saying the same thing over and over, repeating it each day?

You are the same guy that couldn't formulate an argument for Nash so you just kept quoting Eric Foreman and paraphrasing what he said and sprinkled in some insults. Take your psuedo intelligence somewhere else. Anyone can do what you do,I just think it would get boring after 11,000 times.

Then I call you out and you make up some BS about me being a homer troll. Whatever that is..?

Homer troll? If it wasnt already said in this thread, you wouldn't know what team was my favorite. My favorite players have never played for my favorite team. Everyday I'm accused of conflicting interest by you and other posters.

Today I was called a Nash hater in one thread and a Suns homer in another.

Really people?

Does that make any sense? Am I the spudjay of the Suns fans now?

The funny thing is.....you and crisoner moan and complain all day about trash threads broken records....blah blah blah

Why post then? I dont get it. Masochist?

Nope...

I'm one of the biggest Perkins fans. But to say he is >>>>>>>> than Bynum is pretty dumb. Be honest, you really think he is so much better because he is a better post defender?

He is valuable no doubt. And I might even prefer him over Bynum. But to say he is so much better than Bynum and then saying that's thinking outside the box? no.

[Witness Manu]

Stop being a b*tch already. All you do is whine. STFU. Counter my argument. Is this really what you do in real life? I honestly want to know. Are you this effeminate whenever someone disagrees with you? Honestly, there was no need to act like I put my d*ck up your ass but you feel the need to insult me. I cant believe grown men act so childish just because we're on the internet. Do I remind you of some bully that made you piss your pants on the playground? The same bully that stole your lunch money and your prom date?

Now onto this agenda....what agenda do I have?

Seriously, what agenda do I have? Just because I say negative things about the Lakers, doesnt mean I hate them. Furthermore, why should my opinion matter so much that you label me a hater and claim that Bynum raped my little sister and slapped my mom? I remember when you chastised me over a simple gay joke and that should have probably let me know that you are little too sensitive to internet matters.

I have said positive things about Kobe and the rest of the Lakers too you know. Too bad no one remembers those and people like you and rest of pitchfork mob crew only bookmark the select times I say something negative.

If I rubbed you the wrong way by creating this thread......you need to grow a set.
wow this kid is flipping out, his mom must've forgot to give him his meds today

[RaininTwos]

Perkins defense is overrated. Bynum is longer and taller, he is a better defender than perkins on his day and changes more shots. Perk definately wortks harder on the boards though.

Offensively Drew is a top 3 center and 80% free throws. Perkins is average on offense.

Bynum is the better center. Perk's defense is not amazing enough to make up for his lack of offense in comparison to Bynum

You really don't know alot about basketball do you kid

Please stop talking.:oldlol:

That is just god awful. You dont honestly believe the stuff you write, right?

He's a career 69% FT shooter.

[Witness Manu]

Please stop talking.:oldlol:

That is just god awful. You dont honestly believe the stuff you write, right?

He's a career 69% FT shooter.
Yao and Duncan are the only centers right now with a better offensive game than Bynum. And Yao might never come back. Bynum this year is a 73% FT shooter.

You don't watch alot of Lakers ball do you. You don't seem to understand Bynum's game at all.

[RaininTwos]

Yao and Duncan are the only centers right now with a better offensive game than Bynum. Bynum this year is a 73% FT shooter.

You don't watch alot of Lakers ball do you. You don't seem to understand Bynum's game at all.

You just said Bynum was an 80% free throw shooter,then say he shot 73%(which isnt close) and now you tell me I dont understand Bynum's game at all? :wtf:

I'm getting punked...

[Kasper]

Yao and Duncan are the only centers right now with a better offensive game than Bynum. And Yao might never come back. Bynum this year is a 73% FT shooter.

You don't watch alot of Lakers ball do you. You don't seem to understand Bynum's game at all.

Then why earlier did you say he was an 80% FT shooter?

and do you give no consideration to the fact that man up post defense is an integral part to a center's worth?

[ZenMaster]

Then why earlier did you say he was an 80% FT shooter?

and do you give no consideration to the fact that man up post defense is an integral part to a center's worth?


Ehh and Perkins and Bynum are basically equal in man post up defense.

[Kasper]

Ehh and Perkins and Bynum are basically equal in man post up defense.

Nope. Bynum is PROBABLY better at off the ball help. But man up post D? Nah Perk has the edge. Plus Perk is tenacious and doesn't give up on plays.

[Batz]

This season Bynum has a defensive rating of 102.
Perkins with a defensive rating of 101.

Bynum with a TRB% of 15
Perkins with a TRB% of 16

Byum with a BLK% of 4
Perkins with a BLK% of 5

Bynum with a PER of 20
Perkins with a PER of 15

They're pretty much even defensively. Especially when you consider that Bynum has been injured throughout the season... :confusedshrug:

[ZenMaster]

Nope. Bynum is PROBABLY better at off the ball help. But man up post D? Nah Perk has the edge. Plus Perk is tenacious and doesn't give up on plays.

Very small edge. That's what the post up defense stat says http://www.raptorblog.com/100422b.php

[Kasper]

This season Bynum has a defensive rating of 102.
Perkins with a defensive rating of 101.

Bynum with a TRB% of 15
Perkins with a TRB% of 16

Byum with a BLK% of 4
Perkins with a BLK% of 5

Bynum with a PER of 20
Perkins with a PER of 15

They're pretty much even defensively. Especially when you consider that Bynum has been injured throughout the season... :confusedshrug:

I don't know what injured throughout the season really has to do with it. Maybe Bynum is fresher cuz he hasn't had to grind out an entire season? Perk has been playin hurt too. So maybe the fact that he nutted up and played throughout the season effected these "stats" a little differently?

Maybe not, but the fact is that stats don't tell the whole story. And to watch them both play on a regular basis? I don't think it's even close who the better defensive player is. Everybody has their own opinion though and I respect that.

[JtotheIzzo]

:sleeping
:bowdown:

I'm austounded by the amount of gumption you are showing. Here you are, criticizing me. Is that anything new? Crisoner is calling me a broken record. Really? Are you guys serious?

Stop being sheep. You are a weak minded elitist bastard. You're nothing. I honestly don't know shit about you.

Why? You are unremarkable and bland, 98% of your posts are just criticizing people for thinking outside of the box.

When was the last time you made a statement on your own? I'm honestly interested. In every thread you piggyback the majority, always afraid to say what you really feel. Anyone can do that. They have computer programs that can do that. Why waste your time saying the same thing over and over, repeating it each day?

You are the same guy that couldn't formulate an argument for Nash so you just kept quoting Eric Foreman and paraphrasing what he said and sprinkled in some insults. Take your psuedo intelligence somewhere else. Anyone can do what you do,I just think it would get boring after 11,000 times.

Then I call you out and you make up some BS about me being a homer troll. Whatever that is..?

Homer troll? If it wasnt already said in this thread, you wouldn't know what team was my favorite. My favorite players have never played for my favorite team. Everyday I'm accused of conflicting interest by you and other posters.

Today I was called a Nash hater in one thread and a Suns homer in another.

Really people?

Does that make any sense? Am I the spudjay of the Suns fans now?

The funny thing is.....you and crisoner moan and complain all day about trash threads broken records....blah blah blah

Why post then? I dont get it. Masochist?

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg


*couldn't resist*

for the record, I have defended Nash at great length on this forum, but I do not want to relive the past. There comes a point when arguing with people (you know ignorant types who say Perkins >>>>>>> Bynum or some other equally dumb shit) gets old and you have to move on.

Its all been said a thousand times.

Also I never called you a 'homer troll', learn to read, I said graduates of Homer Troll College (a fictional school) couldn't come up with this kind of crap.

Elitist? Hahaha, you say it like it is a bad thing.

BTW Phoenix, if you want to post ridiculous comparisons, expect to get flamed.

You soft son.

http://images.goldenstateofmind.com/images/admin/charmin1.jpg

*pats Phoenix on the back*

There there.

[Bigsmoke]

This season Bynum has a defensive rating of 102.
Perkins with a defensive rating of 101.

Bynum with a TRB% of 15
Perkins with a TRB% of 16

Byum with a BLK% of 4
Perkins with a BLK% of 5

Bynum with a PER of 20
Perkins with a PER of 15

They're pretty much even defensively. Especially when you consider that Bynum has been injured throughout the season... :confusedshrug:

i'm real sick of people think Perkins is some kind of Ben Wallace in a Celtics jersey or something like that.

[RaininTwos]

This season Bynum has a defensive rating of 102.
Perkins with a defensive rating of 101.

Bynum with a TRB% of 15
Perkins with a TRB% of 16

Byum with a BLK% of 4
Perkins with a BLK% of 5

Bynum with a PER of 20
Perkins with a PER of 15

They're pretty much even defensively. Especially when you consider that Bynum has been injured throughout the season... :confusedshrug:
:confusedshrug:

You just posted four of the crappiest stats ever created.

Total rebound percentage?Block percentage? PER?Defensive Rating?

What does PER have to do with defense?

[Batz]

I don't know what injured throughout the season really has to do with it. Maybe Bynum is fresher cuz he hasn't had to grind out an entire season? Perk has been playin hurt too. So maybe the fact that he nutted up and played throughout the season effected these "stats" a little differently?

Maybe not, but the fact is that stats don't tell the whole story. And to watch them both play on a regular basis? I don't think it's even close who the better defensive player is. Everybody has their own opinion though and I respect that.
:violin:

[raptorfan_dr07]

The GREAT Andrew Bynum with another of his patented disappearing acts, this time in Game 4. So that's two in a row now? He had three in a row in the first round. Guy will be neutralized in the next series. Frye as the stretch big man will sh*t on him. Unless of course they stick him on Amare, in which case, look for Stat to go absolutely apesh*t. I don't particularly like Reggie Miller as a commentator, but he was absolutely right when he said tonight that Bynum needs to show he can perform consistently in the playoffs before anybody calls him a difference maker. Like I said in another thread, if the Lakers win it all this year, it will be in spite of Bynum, not because of him.

Again, give me Perk over this chump. I'll sacrifice the scoring in exchange for much more consistent effort defensively and on the glass. Perk also isn't looking to shoot the ball every damn time. Guess playing with Kobe teaches you a few things.

[MMM]

Andrew Bynum is the more talented player easily but I do undsterstand the mentality of people who prefer Perkins. Sort of like Don Cherry who raves about the hard working 4th liners over superstars.

[Harison]

It depends what your team needs, if you want scoring center - Bynum is obvious choice, if you want solid post defender - Perkins is much better choice, both are similar rebounders.

Notes: Bynum costs for a team THREE TIMES more compared to Perkins. Also Perkins was quite durable player, while Bynum looked a lot like Oden 2...

Take your pick, personally in most cases I would take defensive center, there are too few in NBA at the moment, while there are plenty of scoring guards/wings or even centers. Saved 8 mln. could get you another solid player. Health is important factor too. Thats why picking Perkins is rational choice.

P.S. I'm not a big fan of either player. Bynum is too soft, lacks mental toughness and understanding what his team needs (hell, he could be a good defender if he chooses to), while Perkins is sometimes painful to watch in the offense, his "I will never smile in my life" attitude may be offseting to some.

[ILLsmak]

Stop overrating Bynum to death already.

Perkins is a much,much,much better defender and rebounder.

Bynum is just a black hole.

I've always said they are similar and that I'd rather have Perk, but Bynum can score a bit. Perk is just a big body who is a great defensive player and pretty good rebounder.

Perk might be one of the only players in the NBA that can bang with Shaq.

-Smak

[chazzy]

What have you done for me lately Mr. Bynum? Wow, Bynum's had some games where he didn't produce numbers... Perkins has had 3 scoreless games these playoffs. And Bynum's numbers this postseason are better than Perkins' in the same amount of minutes. Perk obviously makes up for it with his really good post man defense, but Bynum's help D and shotblocking presence alters shots and is a reason why the Lakers have one of the best opp fg% this post season.

Anyway, this comparison isn't just about these playoffs. Perkins plays his team role better than Bynum plays his, so I can see why people could choose him.. but Bynum is the better individual player IMO. A lot of people believe he can be an 18/10 player in the right situation.

Also keep in mind that the Bynum you're seeing now is playing with a slightly torn meniscus (I know.. another injury..) and has a reduced role on the team right now because of his prior absence. He doesn't look himself at all

[RazorBaLade]

I think Bynum has shown extreme maturity and team-first attitude these playoffs, but he hasn't shown the stats. When he did show the stats, they were usually just before an injury and his stats did not come along with a team first attitude.

If he can only be this kind of player when he's injured and can do nothing but bring effort and maybe 4 pts a night, I'd take Bynum just barely for this lakers team, but perk is better I guess. Celtics suck. Healthy Bynum putting up the kind of stats he has shown at times with this kind of attitude? All star and easily better than Perkins that way.

[Bigsmoke]

I've always said they are similar and that I'd rather have Perk, but Bynum can score a bit. Perk is just a big body who is a great defensive player and pretty good rebounder.

Perk might be one of the only players in the NBA that can bang with Shaq.

-Smak

and Bynum is even a better rebounder

[Seymour Glass]

Perkins fits a role and plays the role very well but that doesn't mean he is a better player. Bynum is obviously the better scorer and offensive player while Perkins is better with his postioning and rotations on defense. I would say they are around even in the rebounding department but I would give a sleight edge to Bynum because I think he is better on the offensive glass.

Getting mad about Bynum being overrated by Laker fans and retaliating by overrating Perkins does nothing except make both parties look silly.

[glidedrxlr22]

Bynum has been a big ass cream puff the last 2 games. He's not using his talent at all. If he's not getting 15 and 10 against the Suns....he's not doing much.

Perkins brings the toughness, defense, and rebounding every game.

[NBASTATMAN]

Bynum is the better player but Perkins would actually FIT the Lakers a bit better.. Bynum needs to score to really show his worth.. Perkins is a defender who scores on broken plays.. With kobe, gasol, odom, and artest,fisher and brown all looking for shots Perkins would be a perfect addition...


Anyone who disses Bynum for his lack of good play during the playoffs fails to remember the guy has TWO INJURIES.. One an injury in his achilles and the other a torn meniscus that needs surgery.. If this were KOBE or Lebron playing with that injury ESPN would have a hour show about it every day...


Kobe and Lebron WOULD BE COMPARED TO GLADIATORs if they played with a torn meniscus..

[NBASTATMAN]

BYNUM IS INJURED... Why doesn't he get the respect the other players get when they are injured... Without Bynum's presence the LAKERS have problems with Orlando and Cleveland..

[NBASTATMAN]

What have you done for me lately Mr. Bynum? Wow, Bynum's had some games where he didn't produce numbers... Perkins has had 3 scoreless games these playoffs. And Bynum's numbers this postseason are better than Perkins' in the same amount of minutes. Perk obviously makes up for it with his really good post man defense, but Bynum's help D and shotblocking presence alters shots and is a reason why the Lakers have one of the best opp fg% this post season.

Anyway, this comparison isn't just about these playoffs. Perkins plays his team role better than Bynum plays his, so I can see why people could choose him.. but Bynum is the better individual player IMO. A lot of people believe he can be an 18/10 player in the right situation.

Also keep in mind that the Bynum you're seeing now is playing with a slightly torn meniscus (I know.. another injury..) and has a reduced role on the team right now because of his prior absence. He doesn't look himself at all


If he doesn't get better the Lakers will have a much harder time repeating.. His presence alone makes them so much harder to beat... The Lakers with Bynum had a good chance of beating the Celtics in 08

[zizozain]

OP

This is a redundant topic/thread here on ISH.
We know some of you people dislike or don't think highly of Bynum.
Stop the BS it been said too many times before.
Hence f*ck your agenda and stop being a broken record.
this

[zizozain]

not only do you think Perkins is better (which is laughable on it's own merit), you think he is >>>>>> (that much) better, which is straight out f*cking preposterous.

I didn't think I needed to say anything else, because basically your thread title says it all.

You could take RocketGreatness, PleezeBelieve, and every second laker fan on here, put them through four years of homer troll college, and they still wouldn't have the gumption to make an equally ridiculous assertion.

:roll:

fail is too weak a word, hopefully (for your sake) this is a 'gotcha' moment and you can have a laugh at us for replying to this crap.
and this

[ZenMaster]

Bynum has been a big ass cream puff the last 2 games. He's not using his talent at all. If he's not getting 15 and 10 against the Suns....he's not doing much.

Perkins brings the toughness, defense, and rebounding every game.


Too cliche...

Lakers 4 games vs Jazz: Bynum 35 rebounds
Celtics 4 games vs cavs: Perkins 28 rebounds

And these last 2 games where Bynum has been nothing but a big ass cream puff he has 11 rebounds, 3 more than big tough rebound every game Kendrick Perkins who only has 8 rebounds in his last 2 games. So what does that make Perk?

5 first games of round 1 Drew had 50 rebounds. Same 5 games for Perkins vs Miami: 38 rebounds.

There's no reason to think Perk is a more efficient rebounder than Drew, maybe in the past, but not anymore. Bynum is starting to become the player he's supposed to be, remember he's 3 years younger than Perkins as well.

[All Net]

If he doesn't get better the Lakers will have a much harder time repeating.. His presence alone makes them so much harder to beat... The Lakers with Bynum had a good chance of beating the Celtics in 08

Bynum playing really well makes L.A impossible to beat at times. This is why I think almost a week's worth of rest will do Bynum a world of good. I expect him to play alot better with this rest.

People act like he sucked badly in game 4, yeah he only had 6 points but he did have 7 rebounds and 2 blocks and was a presents in the paint. Just look at the numbers Perkins has put up so far. Worse than that. Bynum didn't exactly lay an egg in game 4. In game 3 he was poor but overall he has been soild in these playoffs. His time isn't now to score a crap load of points not when Pau is beasting.

Bynum is playing hurt and him clogging the paint, rebounding and blocking shots is all they need from him against Cavs or Orlando.

[StacksOnDeck]

Shock thread by the worst poster on ISH.

[ZenMaster]

:roll: I didnt even look at it, but Big Z number 2? Classic. He was an OK defender in his prime, but Perkins can take anyone straight up. Not saying he's better than Bynum all round, but still.


The fk is wrong with you, making comments without even looking at what it says.

Don't discredit statistics you haven't even read or can't comprehend.

[CanYouDigIt]

:oldlol:

[kurple]

i miss the good ol days

[2swift4u]

A healty Bynum is much better than Perkins imo. Perkins has been quite a waste of money for OKC. I'm not saying he totally sucks but he's not worth such a big contract.

[Dro]

Pretty sure Philly would rather have Perkins than Bynum right now. Considering Bynum is done...

[imdaman99]

:roll: right now its close. perkins would be an addition by subtraction for the thunder. if the thunder cut him, they instantly get better. that being said, when the hell is bynum gonna play???? :hammerhead: