After quitting on the Cavs organization, LeBron James' legacy is forever ruined

[PleezeBelieve]

Yea, the Cavs organization and supporting cast will take the hit when/if this ship sinks, but real basketball fans know this dude LeBron quit on an entire organization. On an entire city. And on himself.

You don't erase moments like these. Yes, in the short-term, people will attack everyone but LeBron. Look at the front page now. Jokes on the city of Cleveland. Jokes on us Cavs fans. We're the idiots. We did LeBron wrong...yada..yada...yada.

It's too easy not to at this point, right?

But to reward such arrogance with rage/envy/bitterness against the fanbase and organization is flatout WRONG. You can disagree with how the Cavs built around LeBron, but that doesn't give LeBron justification for quitting on them.

Every player can't win but quitters are the only player's who are losers forever.

[Johnni Gade]

Dont blame him. He can't help Celtics are better.

[Lakerlove420]

PROFESSIONAL CHOKE ARTIST = LEBRON JAMES
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

all the hype, all the drama. when are you gonna come on down to the finals Bronboy. We've been waiting on you for a couple of years now ... . :lol

[BigTicket]

I wouldn't say forever ruined, but it certainly will be badly tarnished if he comes out flat in game 6 and the Cavs lose.

He's the best player we ever had, and if Game 5 ends up being his last homegame ever in Cleveland, then his legacy will be going out as a quitter. He's given us so much over these 7 years, but that one game will be the last memory we have of him, and it'll be a terrible one.

[beasted86]

74-8

[Amil23]

Dont blame him. He can't help Celtics are better.
Yeah rite.Lebron handed the Celtics 3 games lets get serious

[Amil23]

Yea, the Cavs organization and supporting cast will take the hit when/if this ship sinks, but real basketball fans know this dude LeBron quit on an entire organization. On an entire city. And on himself.

You don't erase moments like these. Yes, in the short-term, people will attack everyone but LeBron. Look at the front page now. Jokes on the city of Cleveland. Jokes on us Cavs fans. We're the idiots. We did LeBron wrong...yada..yada...yada.

It's too easy not to at this point, right?

But to reward such arrogance with rage/envy/bitterness against the fanbase and organization is flatout WRONG. You can disagree with how the Cavs built around LeBron, but that doesn't give LeBron justification for quitting on them.

Every player can't win but quitters are the only player's who are losers forever.
Agree.It was as if he wanted to laugh you could see it on his face.Even when he shot the ball it looked like he was trying to miss

[Mentally_Pretty]

LeChokenOne

edit:you know i gotta give u this 1 star right?

[SoCalMike]

I think this thread is a bit harsh... people forget Lebron is just a kid who is maturing at an incredible rate and with incredible God given talent.

It also underscores how difficult it truly is to raise to the level of NBA champion... it takes more than one person... it takes an entire team ecosystem from owner to towel boy. I think people here grossly underestimate that element unfortunately and take it for granted.

As a Laker fan all my life, I truly appreciate the Lakers organization and I am constantly amazed at their ability to deliver teams that not only get to the NBA finals often, but win championships. As a Laker fan, I am indeed spoiled!



:pimp:

[Funnyfuka]

I wouldn't say forever ruined, but it certainly will be badly tarnished if he comes out flat in game 6 and the Cavs lose.

He's the best player we ever had, and if Game 5 ends up being his last homegame ever in Cleveland, then his legacy will be going out as a quitter. He's given us so much over these 7 years, but that one game will be the last memory we have of him, and it'll be a terrible one.

I think he doesnt give a ****. He's sick of being the king of...losers. He wants fresh air, his whole character in cleveland has become toxic to himself and them.

I cant see him stay, seriously. Novelty is badly needed. They tried , too hard -with the wrong coach obviously-, for too long, now cleveland's dream is toast. But lebron...isnt, and he knows it.

[niko]

Didn't you post this yesterday? Then change your mind and said Lebron is staying forever? Then you are back here? Will Lebron be staying forever later?

If he goes to another city, wins 5 titles, his legacy will be just fine. Sorry, but it's true. And can we all stop burying him? ESPN has made teh story "what will Lebron do now in his career?" The answer to that is play game 6. It's a bit premature to bury him. The same way the Cav fans here wanted props for their team play "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF JJ NOW? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF COACH BROWN NOW?" - all of that was real premature. Lebron has ruined his legacy forever, WAY premature.

If he sucks in game 6, goes out next year with a new team and wins a tile, you will all see memories are VERY short.

[HylianNightmare]

PB on suicide watch

[Power_Ballin]

Cleveland is a bunch of frontrunners. When things go wrong, it's time to throw the superstar under the bus! Nevermind that the coach is a Nimrod. A simpleton, who manages the rotations poorly and fails to make proper adjustments or run a proper offense. Team was just constructed horribly, around LeBron. Cleveland fans are soo uppity, that they think they're better than LeBron. Who are you guys to call him a quitter, after all he's done for the city of CLE? The most uppity fanbase alive. This where you rally together, but of course Cleveland wants to trash their superstar. Might as well kick him on his way out. No way I would come back... if I was him, and got treated like this.

[SoCalMike]

PB on suicide watch

thats actually a good thing... maybe he will stop posting! :oldlol:



:pimp:

[Skyscraper]

Lebron can regain his image by winning titles with the New York Nets

Of course, he will be forever hated in Cleveland...

[HylianNightmare]

thats actually a good thing... maybe he will stop posting! :oldlol:



:pimp:


one can only hope

[PleezeBelieve]

I think he doesnt give a ****. He's sick of being the king of...losers. He wants fresh air, his whole character in cleveland has become toxic to himself and them.

I cant see him stay, seriously. Novelty is badly needed. They tried , too hard -with the wrong coach obviously-, for too long, now cleveland's dream is toast. But lebron...isnt, and he knows it.
Posts like this will be seen splattered on ISH over the next few months.

Scapegoat = LeBron's teammates, coach, and organization

Budding Hero ready to save another franchise with 'better' talent elsewhere = LeBron

Amazing how people have watched this guy's playoff demeanor and still find blame with any entity other than LeBron himself.

Quitters quit no matter the venue

[Kensta]

He will restore his legacy with a new team and a new jersey number.

[HylianNightmare]

Lebron can regain his image by winning titles with the New York Nets

Of course, he will be forever hated in Cleveland...

Or you know....









winning the next 2 games

[Indian guy]

The question is, why did he quit? After playing like the best player all season and leading his team to the best record, WTF happened that caused him to basically not give a sh!t on the game's biggest stage? LeBron's behavior over the past 2-3 weeks makes no sense. It's not like he crumbled under pressure/adversity. He's been pulling this crap right from the beginning of the series.

And LeBron's getting TRASHED everywhere as of right now. Doesn't matter if his cast hasn't stepped up. Nobody cares when the best player himself carries himself the way LeBron has in this series.

[Skyscraper]

Or you know....









winning the next 2 games


sure.

of course


but highly suspicious calls two games in a row is unlikely.

[HylianNightmare]

sure.

of course


but highly suspicious calls two games in a row is unlikely.


yeah i wish, i'd be a little upset if stern got lebron these next 2 games...

[Derka]

The question is, why did he quit? After playing like the best player all season and leading his team to the best record, WTF happened that caused him to basically not give a sh!t on the game's biggest stage? LeBron's behavior over the past 2-3 weeks makes no sense. It's not like he crumbled under pressure/adversity. He's been pulling this crap right from the beginning of the series.

And LeBron's getting TRASHED everywhere as of right now. Doesn't matter if his cast hasn't stepped up. Nobody cares when the best player himself carries himself the way LeBron has in this series.

Highlighted for effect. Well said.

He didn't just have a bad game. He's been half-hearted this entire series and its obvious to anyone who is watching these games. Even if you're going down, you go down with all your chambers empty at the very least.

[Skyscraper]

yeah i wish, i'd be a little upset if stern got lebron these next 2 games...


don't worry.

Just worry in the next few years when Brook Lopez gets highly questionable fouls called on Dwight Howard

(Howard has thoroughly owned Lopez so far in these two seasons)

[gts]

patience cavs fans, patience and understanding... your leader had a bad night, self inflicted possibly but still a bad night, it's all part of becoming a great nba player these nights will happen for whatever reason..

lebron has had alot come to him easily lebron has had a crown placed on his head when there's a real good chance he didn't quite deserve it yet....

last night was not the true test of lebron, thursday will be one though and how he responds...

lebron is still just a baby in so many ways, very coddled... maybe some of that is his fault or the media or his teamates probably some combination of all of the above...

he also still has yet to develop that killer instinct that a ring is all that matters, maybe that's not the end all for lebron maybe that's not what drives him at this time but that will come too, maybe not this season but it will come..

the problem is he has run into a buzz saw of celtics that do know the ring is all that matters and they don't want to wait on it...

lebron is obviously a great talent, but winning playoff basketball is more than just talent... it's about will... inflicting your will on the other team and that's what lebron needs to learn to do to reach the next level

regular season wins, comebacks late game heroics in the regular season are not what legacies are built on and lebron needs to understand this..

hopefully he'll learn this before it's too late for his fans

[PleezeBelieve]

The question is, why did he quit? After playing like the best player all season and leading his team to the best record, WTF happened that caused him to basically not give a sh!t on the game's biggest stage? LeBron's behavior over the past 2-3 weeks makes no sense. It's not like he crumbled under pressure/adversity. He's been pulling this crap right from the beginning of the series.

And LeBron's getting TRASHED everywhere as of right now. Doesn't matter if his cast hasn't stepped up. Nobody cares when the best player himself carries himself the way LeBron has in this series.
Hence why LeBron is irrecoverably damaging his career for whatever reason. Dude is a clown. I always knew it...atleast personality-wise. Had to respect the game, but anyone who openly roots against against every team in the city you play for IN PERSON is an asshole.

lol @ anyone wanting this f*cking arrogant quitter on their team.

[PleezeBelieve]

patience cavs fans, patience and understanding... your leader had a bad night, self inflicted possibly but still a bad night, it's all part of becoming a great nba player these nights will happen for whatever reason..

lebron has had alot come to him easily lebron has had a crown placed on his head when there's a real good chance he didn't quite deserve it yet....

last night was not the true test of lebron, thursday will be one though and how he responds...

lebron is still just a baby in so many ways, very coddled... maybe some of that is his fault or the media or his teamates probably some combination of all of the above...

he also still has yet to develop that killer instinct that a ring is all that matters, maybe that's not the end all for lebron maybe that's not what drives him at this time but that will come too, maybe not this season but it will come..

the problem is he has run into a buzz saw of celtics that do know the ring is all that matters and they don't want to wait on it...

lebron is obviously a great talent, but winning playoff basketball is more than just talent... it's about will... inflicting your will on the other team and that's what lebron needs to learn to do to reach the next level

regular season wins, comebacks late game heroics in the regular season are not what legacies are built on and lebron needs to understand this..

hopefully he'll learn this before it's too late for his fans
Here let me say it slower....

I-DON'T-WANT-THIS-F*CKING-QUITTER-ON-MY-HOMETOWN-TEAM-EVEN-IF-THE-CAVS-WIN-A-CHAMPIONSHIP

Capice?

[ProfessorMurder]

Here let me say it slower....

I-DON'T-WANT-THIS-F*CKING-QUITTER-ON-MY-HOMETOWN-TEAM-EVEN-IF-THE-CAVS-WIN-A-CHAMPIONSHIP

Capice?

:roll: PB hating on Bron, who'd have ever thought the day would come?

It's an ISHmas miracle! :eek:

[Power_Ballin]

Wow, as a player, Cleveland must suck to play at. Annoying, uppity fans who think they know better than you... Nimrods up in management, who have no idea how to compliment the guys strengths and make rash trades and other poor decisions. Shitty ass city, with POS weather, and frontrunner fans... Cant blame the guy. He needs help. But no, instead HE is to blame entirely and HE is the scapegoat! Only weak, fickle minds would put this all on LeBron.

No one else on Cleveland can step up and get you 20-25pts on an off night?? Lol, he needs some help! Coach Potato Head, can you help out? Oh, you cant... **** you Cleveland, for putting this ALL on LeBron.

[gts]

Here let me say it slower....

I-DON'T-WANT-THIS-F*CKING-QUITTER-ON-MY-HOMETOWN-TEAM-EVEN-IF-THE-CAVS-WIN-A-CHAMPIONSHIP

Capice?
as many pro-lebron threads you have made over the years i question who is the real quitter?

with fans like you i'd probably give up too

Capice?

[Kujo]

Jim Rome just finished ripping King James pretty good.

It's so true, Lebron just doesn't have the killer instinct players like MJ, Bird, Magic, and yes Kobe, had/have. There's no way MJ would have let his teams loose like that. Those guys teams didn't goof around.

[ukballer]

So I presume next time you see him in the club you won't give him 'the head nod' like you did before? :confusedshrug:

[2LeTTeRS]

Here let me say it slower....

I-DON'T-WANT-THIS-F*CKING-QUITTER-ON-MY-HOMETOWN-TEAM-EVEN-IF-THE-CAVS-WIN-A-CHAMPIONSHIP

Capice?

I don't feel as strongly as you, but I will admit something - Watching the last 2 games I realized that Bron isn't the player I thought he was. He isn't on some other level that no other player in the NBA is on, he isn't comparable to peak Jordan, and unlike last year, this team he is the main reason why his team is on the brink of elimination.

I'm not ready to go as far as to say he's a quitter, but he definitely dissapointed me. And to the people who claim his supporting cast isn't good enough all I can say is be real, his team is actually more talented than the Celtics. Anybody who says he doesn't have enough talent is ignorant - this years team has more than enough talent to win a championship, and last year's team while not great was a solid supporting cast as well.

LeBron is still my favorite player but he's let me down this series.

[Derka]

Jim Rome just finished ripping King James pretty good.

It's so true, Lebron just doesn't have the killer instinct players like MJ, Bird, Magic, and yes Kobe, had/have. There's no way MJ would have let his teams loose like that. Those guys teams didn't goof around.

The thing with guys like that...even if they did get beat up by 30 in a playoff game, they left it all out on the floor anyway. Bird, Michael, Magic...you knew for damn sure that even if the team didn't win, those guys were bring everything they had to bear in a losing effort. They'd shoulder the blame for not getting the job done and move on to the next one. Professionals, right there.

[PleezeBelieve]

as many pro-lebron threads you have made over the years i question who is the real quitter?

with fans like you i'd probably give up too

Capice?
Everything I state about LeBron is on the court. If he performs on the court, I don't give a sh*t what he does off of it. I may desire more of him as a staple of the community, but on the court, he was great for us.

But you don't quit. You don't throw your teammates under the bus knowing any of your failures will be passed on them. You don't not OWN the way your team played last night.

You just don't. Not after all the flirts he's made elsewhere. His teammates deserve better. The city deserves better. And most importantly, the ORGANIZATION deserves better. They have tried to a fault to appease this clown. His whole family must have front row seats. Allows this dude to bring anyone with him on team flights. Have to deal with the fallout of his flirtatious FA comments. On and on and on.

Don't challenge me. Challenge LeBron. I have pride in everything I do. Don't feel I'm entitled to anything. I'm no LeBron James.

And that's a good thing.

[TheSlimViper]

"Pics were for the lames outside the VIP area. Plus his guards wouldn't let people get a snap of him. I didn't care either was cause it was all about me and the women. They were definite thumbs up quality. LeBron knew what was up. I think he even gave me a head-nod when I left the club early."

~PleezeBelieve


I really don't know why people bother responding to anything he says, except perhaps for self-entertainment.

[Funnyfuka]

I don't feel as strongly as you, but I will admit something - Watching the last 2 games I realized that Bron isn't the player I thought he was. He isn't on some other level that no other player in the NBA is on, he isn't comparable to peak Jordan, and unlike last year, this team he is the main reason why his team is on the brink of elimination.

I'm not ready to go as far as to say he's a quitter, but he definitely dissapointed me. And to the people who claim his supporting cast isn't good enough all I can say is be real, his team is actually more talented than the Celtics. Anybody who says he doesn't have enough talent is ignorant - this years team has more than enough talent to win a championship, and last year's team while not great was a solid supporting cast as well.

LeBron is still my favorite player but he's let me down this series.

plz, the guy had the weight of a whole ****ing city full of hopeless losers living vicaoursly thru him on his shoulders , isnt that a bit too much to ask to a guy who isnt even 25... he did his best for a long time but had to face the truth; he s not superman or god and these people have to live without him and he has to care about himself now. He's not going to win any finals with this coach and this team. He's convinced of that.

[hawkfan]

LBJ needs to head down south to the ATL.

[crisoner]

It will be tarnished as a Cav if he leaves. But he will forever be known as the savior of the Knicks if he goes to NY. Really...if he wins just one championship in NY...just because it was as a Knick in NY people will give him more respect then someone like Duncan who won four of them in a small market.

It's not fair but that's just the way things is. Bron knows that...shoot he wins 4 of them for the Knicks people will be saying he is better then Jordan.

[nyccelticsfans]

Oh my god enough already. This thread is wrong on so many levels.
First of all I don't think he quit, he had a bad game, and so did the team, losing big always looks like the effort was not there. It is usually not the case. He played bad, he still the best player on the planet.

His legacy will be fine. Everyone forgot about kobe in Game 6 of the 2008 finals. The Lakers get blown out, he has a lackluster game, looks like he quit midway through the game, and he got the same criticism.
next year he wins a championship, and now he is a deadly competitor, according to everyone, a year before he was a quitter, who didn't have what it takes to lead a team to a championship.

Now the series is not over by a long shot, but if the Cavs lose the series, and he comes back be in Cleveland or in another city and wins big, all is forgiven,and people will forget all about game 5, just like they forgot about Kobe in game 6 of the 2008 finals.

One thing I would like to have happen, is people stop looking at what wrong with the superstars when they lose to the C's, and start looking at what is right about the C's.

[JtotheIzzo]

Yea, the Cavs organization and supporting cast will take the hit when/if this ship sinks, but real basketball fans know this dude LeBron quit on an entire organization. On an entire city. And on himself.

You don't erase moments like these. Yes, in the short-term, people will attack everyone but LeBron. Look at the front page now. Jokes on the city of Cleveland. Jokes on us Cavs fans. We're the idiots. We did LeBron wrong...yada..yada...yada.

It's too easy not to at this point, right?

But to reward such arrogance with rage/envy/bitterness against the fanbase and organization is flatout WRONG. You can disagree with how the Cavs built around LeBron, but that doesn't give LeBron justification for quitting on them.

Every player can't win but quitters are the only player's who are losers forever.

is that why you quit ISH last year (as promised when the Cavs lost), but then came back (much to everyone's dismay).

Was it to keep your 'legacy' from forever being ruined?

was that why you pulled the chicken shit move of going against your words and promises and ended up looking like a completely spineless douchebag?

to protect your 'legacy'?

[thejumpa]

OP is an idiot who should be banned after making threads like these.

[PleezeBelieve]

is that why you quit ISH last year (as promised when the Cavs lost), but then came back (much to everyone's dismay).

Was it to keep your 'legacy' from forever being ruined?

was that why you pulled the chicken shit move of going against your words and promises and ended up looking like a completely spineless douchebag?

to protect your 'legacy'?
No, it was because I was TOO BIG TO FAIL. My fans essentially provided me a BUYOUT cause they rather read my post over yours.

Deal with it.

[G.O.A.T]

Jim Rome just finished ripping King James pretty good.

It's so true, Lebron just doesn't have the killer instinct players like MJ, Bird, Magic, and yes Kobe, had/have. There's no way MJ would have let his teams loose like that. Those guys teams didn't goof around.

Lebron seems to be more Kareem-like in terms of his metality.

He says the right things (Kareem didn't) but his actions (injured or not) have not backed them up in the majority of this series and to some extent last years conference finals.

The killer instinct is lacking I suppose, but more so what stands out is his inability to lift the play of those around him in big games. That's what made Magic, Jordan, Russell and Bird so great.


OP is an idiot who should be banned after making threads like these.

And yes

[niko]

Do Cav fans get this? You are a five married to a ten. When the ten divorces you, she marries another ten. You marry a five. Lebron could wear I HATE CLEVELAND on his jersey and you'd be stupid to want him gone. You are never, ever getting any better.

You better hope this is a hiccup and he doesn't leave, because if he does, your franchise is shit.

[PleezeBelieve]

OP is an idiot who should be banned after making threads like these.
If I'm the idiot, why is this topic a rage over every media outlet in sports now??

If I'm the idiot, why did the MOD who originally erased this thread get PWMED when Jeff brought it back three hours later??

I think you need to re-examine your definition idiocy.

[RapsFan]

I am sure it's been brought up before, but stars send messages all the time. Lebron didn't quit, he sent a message, not unlike what Kobe has done many times. The message is, my teammates and coach suck. I am not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

[Andrei89]

No, it was because I was TOO BIG TO FAIL. My fans essentially provided me a BUYOUT cause they rather read my post over yours.

Deal with it.

http://i49.tinypic.com/wtdb11.jpg

[PleezeBelieve]

Do Cav fans get this? You are a five married to a ten. When the ten divorces you, she marries another ten. You marry a five. Lebron could wear I HATE CLEVELAND on his jersey and you'd be stupid to want him gone. You are never, ever getting any better.

You better hope this is a hiccup and he doesn't leave, because if he does, your franchise is shit.
lol

Okay, bud. Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

Quitters quit no matter the venue.

[niko]

It will be tarnished as a Cav if he leaves. But he will forever be known as the savior of the Knicks if he goes to NY. Really...if he wins just one championship in NY...just because it was as a Knick in NY people will give him more respect then someone like Duncan who won four of them in a small market.

It's not fair but that's just the way things is. Bron knows that...shoot he wins 4 of them for the Knicks people will be saying he is better then Jordan.

Marketing firms have estimated that him winning a title in NY would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars more than if he won in Cleveland for him and his partners (Nike, etc.). HUNDREDS.

[JtotheIzzo]

No, it was because I was TOO BIG TO FAIL. My fans essentially provided me a BUYOUT cause they rather read my post over yours.

Deal with it.

please name three of your fans...:roll:

[PleezeBelieve]

I am sure it's been brought up before, but stars send messages all the time. Lebron didn't quit, he sent a message, not unlike what Kobe has done many times. The message is, my teammates and coach suck. I am not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
Yea, LeBron won 60+ games two years in a row but his teammates are the reason why they may not win a ring either year.

Must be tough having help like that.

[Funnyfuka]

Do Cav fans get this? You are a five married to a ten. When the ten divorces you, she marries another ten. You marry a five. Lebron could wear I HATE CLEVELAND on his jersey and you'd be stupid to want him gone. You are never, ever getting any better.

You better hope this is a hiccup and he doesn't leave, because if he does, your franchise is shit.

quoted for truth.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Oh my god enough already. This thread is wrong on so many levels.
First of all I don't think he quit, he had a bad game, and so did the team, losing big always looks like the effort was not there. It is usually not the case. He played bad, he still the best player on the planet.

His legacy will be fine. Everyone forgot about kobe in Game 6 of the 2008 finals. The Lakers get blown out, he has a lackluster game, looks like he quit midway through the game, and he got the same criticism.
next year he wins a championship, and now he is a deadly competitor, according to everyone, a year before he was a quitter, who didn't have what it takes to lead a team to a championship.

Now the series is not over by a long shot, but if the Cavs lose the series, and he comes back be in Cleveland or in another city and wins big, all is forgiven,and people will forget all about game 5, just like they forgot about Kobe in game 6 of the 2008 finals.

One thing I would like to have happen, is people stop looking at what wrong with the superstars when they lose to the C's, and start looking at what is right about the C's.


Best post in this entire forum for a while. I really dislike Lebron, and rooted for the Celtics the entire series. I for one love the hate that is being laid upon Lebron. But lets face the facts, objectively and ultimately in the long run he just had a bad game. Everyone is quick to forget the 20 something points in the 1st quarter of game 3 just a week ago.

I guarantee you if Lebron somehow wins the next 2 games and produces great numbers, everyone will be putting him on the pedestal again and talking about how his willpower and dominance brought the Cavs back.

[niko]

lol

Okay, bud. Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

Quitters quit no matter the venue.

The NBA is set up where it's almost impossible to get a superstar if you are a small market unless you draft one. Planning on hitting the lottery again?

Saying "we don't need Lebron" is stupid. How do you replace the core of your franchise in one of the least desirable NBA cities?

[PowerGlove]

thats actually a good thing... maybe he will stop posting! :oldlol:



:pimp:
:eek: :oldlol:

[thejumpa]

If I'm the idiot, why is this topic a rage over every media outlet in sports now??

If I'm the idiot, why did the MOD who originally erased this thread get PWMED when Jeff brought it back three hours later??

I think you need to re-examine your definition idiocy.

You're an idiot because you make stupid statements just to get a rise out of people. You're an idiot because you usually make no sense. You're an idiot because you have completely flip flopped on your opinion of LeBron. Making threads like these, at this time, show exactly how fair weather you are. You can occasionaly make good points, but all that gets overshadowed when you troll and make threads like these.

Why is this topic a rage? Easy. Idiots like you are a dime a dozen in America. They love to build you up and LOVE to tear you down. You are no different. That's why no one takes you serious.

[JtotheIzzo]

Yea, LeBron won 60+ games two years in a row but his teammates are the reason why they may not win a ring either year.

Must be tough having help like that.


regular season is different than the playoffs.

you run into LBJ in the regular season and it is an oddity and he catches you off guard.

over a seven game series, you can game plan, nullify his suspect supporting cast and put all the pressure on him, and as we know, one man doesn't win a series.

[PleezeBelieve]

You're an idiot because you make stupid statements just to get a rise out of people. You're an idiot because you usually make no sense. You're an idiot because you have completely flip flopped on your opinion of LeBron. Making threads like these, at this time, show exactly how fair weather you are. You can occasionaly make good points, but all that gets overshadowed when you troll and make threads like these.

Why is this topic a rage? Easy. Idiots like you are a dime a dozen in America. They love to build you up and LOVE to tear you down. You are no different. That's why no one takes you serious.
No one is taking LeBron serious right now -- ask Cleveland Fan.

So all your words are all for naught. You don't have a grasp as to the magnitude Cavs fans and the Cavs organization has had to deal with LeBron's selfish antics. Off the court, cool. Bring it on the court, you get ripped.

Simple premise.

I suggest you mind your own business...

[niko]

No one is taking LeBron serious right now -- ask Cleveland Fan.

So all your words are all for naught. You don't have a grasp as to the magnitude Cavs fans and the Cavs organization has had to deal with LeBron's selfish antics. Off the court, cool. Bring it on the court, you get ripped.

Simple premise.

I suggest you mind your own business...
yes, because this post was only for cleveland fans, who don't need Lebron.

I always wondered why the Q was so quiet, it's because you think he's leaving and you don't want to invest yourself in him.

It's so gay, you have a chance to win a title, and everyone is giving up. You don't deserve him. People keep saying NY WOULD RIP HIM TO SHREDS. Maybe...but we'd be there ready to bring the ****ing house down and will him to victory. Not want him to go.

:confusedshrug:

[Andrei89]

No one is taking LeBron serious right now -- ask Cleveland Fan.



Well i would definetly not ask u. U are not a fan but a troll.

U comprende?

[thejumpa]

yes, because this post was only for cleveland fans, who don't need Lebron.

I always wondered why the Q was so quiet, it's because you think he's leaving and you don't want to invest yourself in him.

It's so gay, you have a chance to win a title, and everyone is giving up. You don't deserve him. People keep saying NY WOULD RIP HIM TO SHREDS. Maybe...but we'd be there ready to bring the ****ing house down and will him to victory. Not want him to go.

:confusedshrug:

I agree 100%. A part of me wants to see LeBron leave because Cleveland has put too much pressure on his shoulders. Now that they have dealt with some uncertainity, many are turning on him. Those are traits of fairweather fans and trolls....not real basketball fans.

Mind my business?:roll: what a clown.

[DropStep]

NBA fans are really fickle.
I thought Laker fans were bad but this Cav fan just trumped them all.
The Celtics arent a bad team, injuries have hindered them for awhile.
Even if the Cavs do lose this series?(A real fan would still be rooting for your best player even when he is in trouble) You fans better pray and beg Lebron stays

[boozehound]

what a bunch of ****ing idiots and lemmings in the nba world. One lackluster effort and all of a sudden lebron cant handle big game pressure. Not like when he killed the pistons with 28 of the 29 final points to win in 2006 or ......


As usual the 24/7 media cycle blows shit out of proportion. I expect useless trolls like PB to get all retarded over this, but cmon people, most of you are better than this.

[WhySoInsecure?]

what a bunch of ****ing idiots and lemmings in the nba world. One lackluster effort and all of a sudden lebron cant handle big game pressure. Not like when he killed the pistons with 28 of the 29 final points to win in 2006 or ......


As usual the 24/7 media cycle blows shit out of proportion. I expect useless trolls like PB to get all retarded over this, but cmon people, most of you are better than this.
normally it wouldn't be a problem but this was the most important game of the season, they got blown out by 30 at home and lebron wasn't even looking to score.

[niko]

what a bunch of ****ing idiots and lemmings in the nba world. One lackluster effort and all of a sudden lebron cant handle big game pressure. Not like when he killed the pistons with 28 of the 29 final points to win in 2006 or ......


As usual the 24/7 media cycle blows shit out of proportion. I expect useless trolls like PB to get all retarded over this, but cmon people, most of you are better than this.

if you are saying this isn't a story at all, that's not true too. In the biggest game arguably in that franchise's history, he didn't have a bad game, he seemed completely disinterested in playing. That's a story.

[catch24]

The problem is this was one of, if not the BIGGEST games of his career. Past two games he's played abnormally passive/standing around etc. He doesn't seem to have any emotion or care (look at his facial expressions and/or the post press conferences). All that being said, IF he comes out and plays any where near he did game 3 AND the Cavs win, all this crap would be yesterdays news. While I still feel he's the best in the L, game 6 is HUGE for LeBrons rep.

[boozehound]

if you are saying this isn't a story at all, that's not true too. In the biggest game arguably in that franchise's history, he didn't have a bad game, he seemed completely disinterested in playing. That's a story.
look, im not saying it isnt newsworthy or even the lead sports story of the day. But the extreme overreaction about it -from Jim Rome talking about how KG would have been dropping F bombs and trying to fight everyone - uh hello, KG cant say hello to his mom without dropping an F-bomb, and he's the biggest backpedaler in the league when it comes to fighting) to PB talking about him quitting on the cavs - is just ridiculous. So, he had a bad game. he wasnt aggressive and wasnt looking to score. People act like MJ never lost an important game in his life. He was swept in the playoffs his first 3 years and then lost to the pistons the next 3 (in series that werent close). Hell he scored 15 and 18 in playoff games in the 88-89 season alone.

[lilIlyasova]

Lebron seems to be going the Tracy McGrady route rather than the Jordan route, this is true

[lilIlyasova]

I think this thread is a bit harsh... people forget Lebron is just a kid who is maturing at an incredible rate and with incredible God given talent.

It also underscores how difficult it truly is to raise to the level of NBA champion... it takes more than one person... it takes an entire team ecosystem from owner to towel boy. I think people here grossly underestimate that element unfortunately and take it for granted.

As a Laker fan all my life, I truly appreciate the Lakers organization and I am constantly amazed at their ability to deliver teams that not only get to the NBA finals often, but win championships. As a Laker fan, I am indeed spoiled!



:pimp:
Just a kid? He's 25 years old he's a grown ass man by now. The "just a kid" excuse is no longer valid

[rs98762001]

I guess PB's off his meds again. Either that or he didn't get a head nod from LBJ at the club last night.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well true to some degree.

[PleezeBelieve]

Lackluster?

In a home game that could be his last as a Cav, he does that and you call it lackluster?

Dude didn't even try hence he quit. It was like he was giving a big fat f-you to the organization and fans.

Lackluster? I call it appalling.

[mrhoopfan]

I think this thread is a bit harsh... people forget Lebron is just a kid who is maturing at an incredible rate and with incredible God given talent.

It also underscores how difficult it truly is to raise to the level of NBA champion... it takes more than one person... it takes an entire team ecosystem from owner to towel boy. I think people here grossly underestimate that element unfortunately and take it for granted.

As a Laker fan all my life, I truly appreciate the Lakers organization and I am constantly amazed at their ability to deliver teams that not only get to the NBA finals often, but win championships. As a Laker fan, I am indeed spoiled!


.
:pimp:

This is the most intelligent post written for this thread. People have to relax

[Take Your Lumps]

[QUOTE]

[brantonli]

IMO hindsight of this situation by the summer, or next year will greatly depend where LeBron ends up. If he stays in Cleveland on a long term contract after losing this series, then the perception of him will be, well, not bad, but not brilliant either. But if he loses this series and leaves, then he would be reviled.

[BallsOut]

Yeah rite.Lebron handed the Celtics 3 games lets get serious

It's called good defense. Happened back in 2008 when the Celtics beat them. Happened this year during regular season when the Celtics beat them 2 out of 4 and is happening now when the Celtics are up 3-2 in the series. Lebron's jumpshot is coming back down to earth. When he isn't getting free bailout calls from the refs on drives, he's not as effective. That's the difference. This series wouldn't even be close if he didn't get such BS calls (The Cavs shot 40 more FTs than the Celtics through the first 4 games). Matter fact, tt would be a mirror series of 2007 against the Spurs when they got swept.

Lebron fans will never man up and admit it. It's always oh boo hoo Lebron had a bad game that's why we lost! No, Celtics are the better team. Out of all the teams in the league, they know how to contain Lebron the best, and they have proven it time and time again.

[Kingwillball]

It's called good defense. Happened back in 2008 when the Celtics beat them. Happened this year during regular season when the Celtics beat them 2 out of 4 and is happening now when the Celtics are up 3-2 in the series. Lebron's jumpshot is coming back down to earth. When he isn't getting free bailout calls from the refs on drives, he's not as effective. That's the difference. This series wouldn't even be close if he didn't get such BS calls (The Cavs shot 40 more FTs than the Celtics through the first 4 games). Matter fact, tt would be a mirror series of 2007 against the Spurs when they got swept.

Lebron fans will never man up and admit it. It's always oh boo hoo Lebron had a bad game that's why we lost! No, Celtics are the better team. Out of all the teams in the league, they know how to contain Lebron the best, and they have proven it time and time again.


Jumpshot coming back down to Earth...Im sure the Elbow has something to do with it..As far as Containing Lebron he only averaged 37 ppg against them this year..Your a Hater and an idiot..Lebron has Checked out mentally has nothing to do with Celtics stopping him(Something Else is bothering him and if U can't realize it Your just a Blinded Hater)

[bettalaylow]

I think this thread is a bit harsh... people forget Lebron is just a kid who is maturing at an incredible rate and with incredible God given talent.

It also underscores how difficult it truly is to raise to the level of NBA champion... it takes more than one person... it takes an entire team ecosystem from owner to towel boy. I think people here grossly underestimate that element unfortunately and take it for granted.

As a Laker fan all my life, I truly appreciate the Lakers organization and I am constantly amazed at their ability to deliver teams that not only get to the NBA finals often, but win championships. As a Laker fan, I am indeed spoiled!



:pimp:


A 25 year old is a kid now?

[Sharmer]

C are getting beaten by a better team, full stop, a superstar player is not a good :violin: much up against a star team- who are playing at the same level in 08 when they won 66 games and won the title.

[KAJ=GOAT]

Jumpshot coming back down to Earth...Im sure the Elbow has something to do with it..As far as Containing Lebron he only averaged 37 ppg against them this year..Your a Hater and an idiot..Lebron has Checked out mentally has nothing to do with Celtics stopping him(Something Else is bothering him and if U can't realize it Your just a Blinded Hater)


:roll:


It has everything to do with the Celtics stopping him.

[KAJ=GOAT]

A 25 year old is a kid now?


Yea, I had to laugh at that one too.

What was he 6 years ago?

a baby?

[Derka]

Jumpshot coming back down to Earth...Im sure the Elbow has something to do with it..As far as Containing Lebron he only averaged 37 ppg against them this year..Your a Hater and an idiot..Lebron has Checked out mentally has nothing to do with Celtics stopping him(Something Else is bothering him and if U can't realize it Your just a Blinded Hater)

And you're an unfortunately blinded ******ger by the same token.

Lebron got shut down...the Cavs got shut down and had no response. At all.

[ginobli2311]

Pretty sure one bad game/effort does not make someone a quitter. I just can't wait until Lebron leaves and goes to a team like the Bulls or another team with some actual talent and coaching and just takes off. He's wasted 7 years of hisl life playing in an awful market with awful players and an awful coach. Put Lebron and Rose and Noah on the same team and see what happens.

Then everyone can realize that we are watching one of the 5 greatest players of all time and we should just enjoy it. Quitter? Jesus....one bad game. Did he quit last year when he was scoring 40 a game against orlando literally doing every single thing on the court?

Again....a bad game in the playoffs....not even an elimination game and you people are calling for his head saying that his legacy is forever tarnished. Wow....you would think people that take the time to post on boards would have at least a sliver of logic.

[BallsOut]

Jumpshot coming back down to Earth...Im sure the Elbow has something to do with it..As far as Containing Lebron he only averaged 37 ppg against them this year..Your a Hater and an idiot..Lebron has Checked out mentally has nothing to do with Celtics stopping him(Something Else is bothering him and if U can't realize it Your just a Blinded Hater)

lol i'm a hater for stating the facts. Did the Celtics not beat them in a 7 game series already? Did they not win 2 out of 4 this season? It doesn't matter if Lebron goes off for 35 or 40pts, the Celtics are just the better team and that's why they're up in this series. You Lebron fans on the otherhand have only your hypothetical scenarios of Lebron beating the Celtics to cling onto. We realistic fans like to point out the facts of reality.

Celtics are the better team. It's not that hard to understand so quit making excuses.

[ginobli2311]

lol i'm a hater for stating the facts. Did the Celtics not beat them in a 7 game series already? Did they not win 2 out of 4 this season? It doesn't matter if Lebron goes off for 35 or 40pts, the Celtics are just the better team and that's why they're up in this series. You Lebron fans on the otherhand have only your hypothetical scenarios of Lebron beating the Celtics to cling onto. We realistic fans like to point out the facts of reality.

Celtics are the better team. It's not that hard to understand so quit making excuses.

Completely agree. The Celtics are a better team....with better players and a better coach. Where I disagree with most is that I jut don't feel like much blame should go on Lebron. He has played great this series.....he played bad last night. But he has been really good in every game and he has owned paul pierce on both ends of the floor. The Cavs are losing because of their bench play, their defense, and the fact that nobody else on the Cavs has stepped up. Mo and Jamison are getting torched and are not responding on offense. The bench has been awful....and the Cavs have matchup problems all over the court.

If you told me before the series that Lebron would outplay Pierce this badly....I would have thought the Cavs would sweep the Celtics. The fact that Lebron has dominated Pierce the way he has and the Cavs are struggling so much just shows you how much better the Celtics really are.

I've been on here for weeks saying the Cavs were going to lose. Sorry Cavs fans.....if you use logic and look at facts, it was fairly obvious the Cavs were in for a lot of trouble. If somehow they get by the Celtics, they have no shot against the Magic anyway.

Lebron needs to leave....and Cleveland needs to go back to not being relevant. Lebron would win titles in chicago or another big market team with any talent. All would be right in the world.

[boozehound]

Yea, I had to laugh at that one too.

What was he 6 years ago?

a baby?
his age doesnt preclude him from being very immature mentally. which he clearly is. He hasnt had to deal with a lot of loss or other negative experiences, which means he doesnt handle it well. DO you deny that he has some growing up to do?

[KABIRC]

Yea, the Cavs organization and supporting cast will take the hit when/if this ship sinks, but real basketball fans know this dude LeBron quit on an entire organization. On an entire city. And on himself.

You don't erase moments like these. Yes, in the short-term, people will attack everyone but LeBron. Look at the front page now. Jokes on the city of Cleveland. Jokes on us Cavs fans. We're the idiots. We did LeBron wrong...yada..yada...yada.

It's too easy not to at this point, right?

But to reward such arrogance with rage/envy/bitterness against the fanbase and organization is flatout WRONG. You can disagree with how the Cavs built around LeBron, but that doesn't give LeBron justification for quitting on them.

Every player can't win but quitters are the only player's who are losers forever.
OK
I'm not even a cavs fan, and I don't understand how the hell he quit on you guys, one bad game. GET OVER IT

[The_Yearning]

Completely agree. The Celtics are a better team....with better players and a better coach. Where I disagree with most is that I jut don't feel like much blame should go on Lebron. He has played great this series.....he played bad last night. But he has been really good in every game and he has owned paul pierce on both ends of the floor. The Cavs are losing because of their bench play, their defense, and the fact that nobody else on the Cavs has stepped up. Mo and Jamison are getting torched and are not responding on offense. The bench has been awful....and the Cavs have matchup problems all over the court.

If you told me before the series that Lebron would outplay Pierce this badly....I would have thought the Cavs would sweep the Celtics. The fact that Lebron has dominated Pierce the way he has and the Cavs are struggling so much just shows you how much better the Celtics really are.

I've been on here for weeks saying the Cavs were going to lose. Sorry Cavs fans.....if you use logic and look at facts, it was fairly obvious the Cavs were in for a lot of trouble. If somehow they get by the Celtics, they have no shot against the Magic anyway.

Lebron needs to leave....and Cleveland needs to go back to not being relevant. Lebron would win titles in chicago or another big market team with any talent. All would be right in the world.

LBJ never gonna win a championship.

[ginobli2311]

LBJ never gonna win a championship.

I will bet my total net worth with you that he wins at least 3 titles in his career.

[Kujo]

[QUOTE]

[zizozain]

as many pro-lebron threads you have made over the years i question who is the real quitter?

with fans like you i'd probably give up too

Capice?
this

[IcanzIIravor]

No, it was because I was TOO BIG TO FAIL. My fans essentially provided me a BUYOUT cause they rather read my post over yours.

Deal with it.

:lol


Did you get inside info that Lebron is leaving or something? Trashing him before the series is over to this degree after all the 'I heart Lebron' threads you've made is a bit alarming.

[gts]

Do Cav fans get this? You are a five married to a ten. When the ten divorces you, she marries another ten. You marry a five. Lebron could wear I HATE CLEVELAND on his jersey and you'd be stupid to want him gone. You are never, ever getting any better.

You better hope this is a hiccup and he doesn't leave, because if he does, your franchise is shit.
you can do better than quoting colin cowherd...lol

but the point is valid, if james bolts the franchise will take a big hit

[niko]

you can do better than quoting colin cowherd...lol

but the point is valid, if james bolts the franchise will take a big hit

people say that all the time, its a common saying. its called being an old man. i wish it was because i stole it (im sure i did, just from a long time ago...)

wait, did you suggest i listen to the Herd? im going to taser you...

[Kingwillball]

And you're an unfortunately blinded ******ger by the same token.

Lebron got shut down...the Cavs got shut down and had no response. At all.


You People Really are Idiots if U think Celtics are the Reason Lebron had 15 points Yesterday..Dude was Standing around, not attacking, not getting involved..3 Shots in First half Cmon dude seriously.. Either it is Elbow(Reports of Torn Ligament Floating around) Something Mentally( Mad or Upset about Something and trying to prove Point) or Combination of both..Lebron had 3 Subpar games this series against a Team he Torched in Regular season. I know most of U would like to Think the Celtics are behind it and if it makes U feel better keep on thinking it.

[krazymofo]

I got my box of kleenex and some cigars next to me. The kleenex is to wipe the tears of joy from my face to see the celtics big 3 come back. the cigars will be for me to be smoking while i watch Lebron come back to help the cavs win next to games. Either way, I wont be on much on these forums, since it will be filled with too many lebron hater threads.

[gts]

people say that all the time, its a common saying. its called being an old man. i wish it was because i stole it (im sure i did, just from a long time ago...)

wait, did you suggest i listen to the Herd? im going to taser you...
don't taser me bro!!! (that i did steal and i can't remember the reason those words were uttered)

anyways, yeah, cowherd was using the exact same clevelands a five and lebrons a ten analogy this morning

[Bano114]

Yea, the Cavs organization and supporting cast will take the hit when/if this ship sinks, but real basketball fans know this dude LeBron quit on an entire organization. On an entire city. And on himself.

You don't erase moments like these. Yes, in the short-term, people will attack everyone but LeBron. Look at the front page now. Jokes on the city of Cleveland. Jokes on us Cavs fans. We're the idiots. We did LeBron wrong...yada..yada...yada.

It's too easy not to at this point, right?

But to reward such arrogance with rage/envy/bitterness against the fanbase and organization is flatout WRONG. You can disagree with how the Cavs built around LeBron, but that doesn't give LeBron justification for quitting on them.

Every player can't win but quitters are the only player's who are losers forever.

Damn, having LeBron James on your team must suck so much! Seeing a guy play everynight and just being like what the hell is this guy doing?

And I thought Jared Jeffries was bad....

Good luck with this guy the next two games.

[zORi]

You People Really are Idiots if U think Celtics are the Reason Lebron had 15 points Yesterday..Dude was Standing around, not attacking, not getting involved..3 Shots in First half Cmon dude seriously.. Either it is Elbow(Reports of Torn Ligament Floating around) Something Mentally( Mad or Upset about Something and trying to prove Point) or Combination of both..Lebron had 3 Subpar games this series against a Team he Torched in Regular season. I know most of U would like to Think the Celtics are behind it and if it makes U feel better keep on thinking it.

I'll never understand your capital letter choices.

But I think the C's defense definitely had something to do with it, along with his own mentality.

[zizozain]

this thread is


a Crime of passion



101 psychology

[MagicalLA]

PleezeBelieve you are the true looser here.

[niko]

don't taser me bro!!! (that i did steal and i can't remember the reason those words were uttered)

anyways, yeah, cowherd was using the exact same clevelands a five and lebrons a ten analogy this morning

i speak like colin cowherd. excuse me while i go stick icepicks in my head. :hammerhead:

[elementally morale]

A 25 year old is a kid now?

The answer depends on how old you are.

[hoopaddict08]

Lebron has had a bad series. That isn't him quitting. He is dealing with what could be the biggest injury he has had in a long time. Instead of hating on James, why not hate on the rest of the Cavs roster? Is it Lebron's fault they got blown out by 30 points at home? No. Although he does play a role. Kobe has had his subpar performances as well, but the Lakers have been able to get through. This isn't Lebron's fault, if it weren't for him, this team/franchise wouldn't even be relevant.

[CLE[216]]

Lebron has had a bad series. That isn't him quitting. He is dealing with what could be the biggest injury he has had in a long time. Instead of hating on James, why not hate on the rest of the Cavs roster? Is it Lebron's fault they got blown out by 30 points at home? No. Although he does play a role. Kobe has had his subpar performances as well, but the Lakers have been able to get through. This isn't Lebron's fault, if it weren't for him, this team/franchise wouldn't even be relevant.

So it's not his fault that he didn't play aggressive? (Newsflash) The WHOLE ****ING TEAM CONCEPT is based around his aggression in getting to the hole.

[Apples]

People are acting like last night was game 7. Dude can come back tomorrow to tie, go home and win it and all this talk will have been for nothing.

[Skyscraper]

People are acting like last night was game 7. Dude can come back tomorrow to tie, go home and win it and all this talk will have been for nothing.

or he could lose game 6 and destroys Cleveland's heart.

Now if he were up 3-2, then everyone would be talking about how awesome he is.

See what a difference one game makes?

[omarnyc]

i hope he throw up a bunch of bricks in game 6 just like game 5, tell the cavs to kiss his ass...and head straight to new york

[G-train]

LOL

[MAC system]

Is Kobes legacy tarnished forever for quitting on the Lakers against the Suns a few years ago? I don't think so...stop overreacting.

[Amil23]

Is Kobes legacy tarnished forever for quitting on the Lakers against the Suns a few years ago? I don't think so...stop overreacting.
That Lakers team wasnt a contender though even though he did quit.

[Bano114]

Is Kobes legacy tarnished forever for quitting on the Lakers against the Suns a few years ago? I don't think so...stop overreacting.

Well the Lakers have many more players with Legacy's then Cleveland. Clevelands got nothing. You can't make that comparrison because Kobe was on a team with a very good history, who had also recently won 3 championships at that time.

Kobe quit....good thing Shaq won us 3.

LeBron quit....good thing Big Z won us 3....oh wait.

What I'm trying to say is when Laker fans look back at this period of time they will see the 4 championships, they wont see Kobe giving up one series.

When Cavs fan look back to this time theyre going to see their greatest player quitting and not winning them anything.

[Phong]

Is Kobes legacy tarnished forever for quitting on the Lakers against the Suns a few years ago? I don't think so...stop overreacting.Oh yeah I remember that series. The Lakers were the heavy favorite, 1st seed, had HCA, Kobe was the reigning MVP and they had a great cast. Good times.

[MagicalLA]

People are acting like last night was game 7. Dude can come back tomorrow to tie, go home and win it and all this talk will have been for nothing.

Only reasonable post ive seen in pages, good work.

[hoopaddict08]

']So it's not his fault that he didn't play aggressive? (Newsflash) The WHOLE ****ING TEAM CONCEPT is based around his aggression in getting to the hole.

Team concept is based off team play. Guys stepping up. This isn't the 2007 Cavaliers. Yes, Lebron's agression is very much needed. But as I said, if his injury is indeed serious, his so-called teammates are going to have to step it up. So thanks for the so-called "(Newsflash)". But it wasn't needed.

This isn't about Lebron quitting on the Cavaliers organization. After all he has done for the organization, I can't believe someone would even say that.

[BallsOut]

You People Really are Idiots if U think Celtics are the Reason Lebron had 15 points Yesterday..Dude was Standing around, not attacking, not getting involved..3 Shots in First half Cmon dude seriously.. Either it is Elbow(Reports of Torn Ligament Floating around) Something Mentally( Mad or Upset about Something and trying to prove Point) or Combination of both..Lebron had 3 Subpar games this series against a Team he Torched in Regular season. I know most of U would like to Think the Celtics are behind it and if it makes U feel better keep on thinking it.

And if it makes you feel better the Cavs won this series in 5 MAYBE 6 games like you said. Wait no my bad I meant the Celtics are up 3-2. Ding ding ding. You hear that? That's the sound of reality hitting you square in the face.

The Celtics for the second time within the last 2 years have contained and frustrated Lebron to the point where he doesn't know what to do on offense and is hesitant to drive to the hoop, because the Boston Celtic defense is so tough so he pulls up for the jumper. But even those won't go down now. Why? A combination of his elbow injury and the Celtic defense and the fact that Lebron has usually been known to be a spotty jumpshooter.

Combine that with the fact that when the refs call the game FAIR and straight, there's no way in hell Lebron has anyone near the impact he had in game 3 of this series getting phantom foul calls driving to the basket. The Celtics defense is just too good.

So go ahead and lie to yourself because it doesn't matter what Lebron does in game 6, he could score 30, 40, 45 and just like in game 7 between the Cavs and Celtics two years ago, the same result will apply. The Celtics are the better team, and justice will be served in the end.

[Freshprince619]

Oh yeah I remember that series. The Lakers were the heavy favorite, 1st seed, had HCA, Kobe was the reigning MVP and they had a great cast. Good times.
:oldlol: :oldlol: Owned

[Doranku]

You People Really are Idiots if U think Celtics are the Reason Lebron had 15 points Yesterday..Dude was Standing around, not attacking, not getting involved..3 Shots in First half Cmon dude seriously.. Either it is Elbow(Reports of Torn Ligament Floating around) Something Mentally( Mad or Upset about Something and trying to prove Point) or Combination of both..Lebron had 3 Subpar games this series against a Team he Torched in Regular season. I know most of U would like to Think the Celtics are behind it and if it makes U feel better keep on thinking it.

:oldlol: @ this mental breakdown because his idol is mentally soft.

[Desperado]

that has ever been brought in to play with Lebron has never found success?


In fact they've gotten worse. Superstars are supposed to make players better. Mo Williams has gotten progressively worse since he's been in Cleveland, Jamison went from being a 20+ point a game scorer while having to share the ball with Gil and Butler. 9 points a game with Lebron. Shaq finished last season averaging over 18 a game, down to 12 with Lebron, Larry Huhges 22+ a game with washington, gets traded to the Cav's and his average dips to under 15. Rickey Davis (who averaged 20/5/5 the season before Lebron) was shipped out because they thought he's take touches away from Lebron. Carlos Boozer skipped town after one season of playing with him... Kapono became a wonderful shooter and doble figure scorer once he got out of Cleveland and was playing with Wade and Shaq.

Averaging 8 or even 10 assist a game doesn't always mean you are making guys better if so Marbury was the best point guard in the NBA for about a 7 year stretch. Lebron needs to dominate the ball to be successful. He's not a good catch and shoot ball player, Can't shoot off pin downs, can't play going east and west, can't score in the block. He needs to pound the ball on the wing or get in transition. When you dominate the ball with other guys that need the ball to be effective their production dips. Lebron has proven this for 7 straight years.

Stop blaming the management, coaching etc... A few weeks ago when the Cav's were rolling we didn't hear any of this. All we heard was how much better this roster is then its been in years past. No in a three weeks the roster is full of bums?

There's only been one constant for the Cavs during their failures... Lebron! Its time to start looking their as opposed to looking at everyone else.

[Hamburgers]

lol @ people calling lebron a kid.

hes 25 years old hes a grown man..

[Moan]

You guys are overreacting...

he has already mentioned he wants to stay in cle until he gets them a champions. What makes you assume he's even going somewhere else let alone criticising him for it when he's still on clevelands roster.

Also, they have not lost yet, let me remind you if they win the next one in boston then they play game 7 @ home....

[gxL]

shaq lost with orlando but won 3 with la and 1 with heat. widely considered a top 10 goat, maybe even top5.

and this is coming from a lebron hater

[Im Too Smoove]

With whatever team he decides to join, when he visits Clevlands home court. Does he want to get cheered or hated??

Thats what he needs to ask himself...

[ginobli2311]

that has ever been brought in to play with Lebron has never found success?


In fact they've gotten worse. Superstars are supposed to make players better. Mo Williams has gotten progressively worse since he's been in Cleveland, Jamison went from being a 20+ point a game scorer while having to share the ball with Gil and Butler. 9 points a game with Lebron. Shaq finished last season averaging over 18 a game, down to 12 with Lebron, Larry Huhges 22+ a game with washington, gets traded to the Cav's and his average dips to under 15. Rickey Davis (who averaged 20/5/5 the season before Lebron) was shipped out because they thought he's take touches away from Lebron. Carlos Boozer skipped town after one season of playing with him... Kapono became a wonderful shooter and doble figure scorer once he got out of Cleveland and was playing with Wade and Shaq.

Averaging 8 or even 10 assist a game doesn't always mean you are making guys better if so Marbury was the best point guard in the NBA for about a 7 year stretch. Lebron needs to dominate the ball to be successful. He's not a good catch and shoot ball player, Can't shoot off pin downs, can't play going east and west, can't score in the block. He needs to pound the ball on the wing or get in transition. When you dominate the ball with other guys that need the ball to be effective their production dips. Lebron has proven this for 7 straight years.

Stop blaming the management, coaching etc... A few weeks ago when the Cav's were rolling we didn't hear any of this. All we heard was how much better this roster is then its been in years past. No in a three weeks the roster is full of bums?

There's only been one constant for the Cavs during their failures... Lebron! Its time to start looking their as opposed to looking at everyone else.

Dumbest post ever? Lebron does everything for that team and it translates into winning games. He can't make mo williams tough or a good defender....he can't make jamison a clutch shooter....he can't make shaq young...and he can't make mike brown a good coach. What you say makes no sense. Lebron is unselfish....he spreads the ball around all the time. He plays really hard on defense, protects the paint, and is one of the best rebounders in the league. Oh and he scores the ball at 50% from the field which is significantly better than most guys that score over 27 a game. Go look at what Kobe shoots from the field.....or are you going to tell me its better to shoot a worse fg% and get less assists and rebounds per game. LOL.

You are confusing yourself. Mo Williams did not get worse when he came to Cleveland....we just found out that he's not as good as we thought because he can't do anything when things get tough in the playoffs. There are so many players out there that are merely "regular season stars". Mo williams and jamison have always been 2 of the biggest in my mind. Funny how Lebron plays better in the playoffs than the regular season but the rest of his team plays worse....funny what playing good teams and pressure do to the fakers in the league.

[CrazyLond]

I don't buy into the idea that he is going to go to some dumpy new team and instantly start winning championships. Like someone mentioned earlier in this thread, compiling a championship team is very very tough. Even Jordan didn't have the right talent around him for his first 7 years. The Lakers historically have probably the best management in basketball and are one of the most attractive markets for a player to play in, yet they still took several years after Shaq's departure to surround Kobe with the proper talent to contend again. It's not just about finding the pure talent either, you have to have good coaching, good chemistry and be able to match up well against the other dominant teams of that era. This applies even to player as talented as Lebron...heck, Cleveland's been trying to do it for 7 years now without success (if they don't win in this year of course). He's already 25 and has 7 years in the league. How many years does he have left before his athleticism starts to decline? If it takes 5 years for another franchise to find the right combination, he could end up having a fairly narrow window to win championships in. That's my take on it.

[godofgods]

I think this thread is a bit harsh... people forget Lebron is just a kid who is maturing at an incredible rate and with incredible God given talent.

It also underscores how difficult it truly is to raise to the level of NBA champion... it takes more than one person... it takes an entire team ecosystem from owner to towel boy. I think people here grossly underestimate that element unfortunately and take it for granted.

As a Laker fan all my life, I truly appreciate the Lakers organization and I am constantly amazed at their ability to deliver teams that not only get to the NBA finals often, but win championships. As a Laker fan, I am indeed spoiled!



:pimp:

LOL, LA is a big market with Stern's backing. You don't need to worry. Not until the league gets an unbiased commish with integrity anyway.

[godofgods]

Calm down all, the 84 Celtics got beat on national TV by over 30 points and Larry Bird came back and slapped those faker *******, won the championship and established himself as the GOAT SF.

I expect Lebron to do the same as he's supposed to supplant Bird as the GOAT SF.

We'll see.

[Fatal9]

Now that we know where he has signed...

Why do you think Lebron mysteriously quit in a series where his team had a 2-1 lead?

[TheLogo]

credit celtics' defense.

[Indian guy]

Why do you think Lebron mysteriously quit in a series where his team had a 2-1 lead?

I rewatched the whole series recently. Game 5 is the only questionable game here, and I think we now KNOW why he "quit".

[Draz]

Now that we know where he has signed...

Why do you think Lebron mysteriously quit in a series where his team had a 2-1 lead?
The obvious of course trying to piggyback and friendship.

[Bond007]

I rewatched the whole series recently. Game 5 is the only questionable game here, and I think we now KNOW why he "quit".

No Heart ? Exit plan in place?

[Fatal9]

I rewatched the whole series recently. Game 5 is the only questionable game here, and I think we now KNOW why he "quit".
:oldlol:, you were the one in here announcing after every game that Lebron wasn't trying. He was overly passive in the fourth quarter of game 4 as well (he got grilled after that game) and most of game 2. Everyone saw what happened, even Cavs fans in here saying he checked out of the series. The OP even, is a resident Lebron/Cavs homer.

I just wonder if he sabotaged the 2-1 lead so he could leave Cleveland. If he won, there's no way he could leave because he couldn't use the "winning" excuse (and who the hell signs with another team a month after winning a ring?). Considering how he played all season, any other conclusion just doesn't make sense. He knew in the playoffs, and much earlier, what he wanted to do this summer and quit on his team to achieve it.

[crisoner]

Read this article....says everything I feel about the situation and more...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html?cnn=yes&hpt=C2&xid=shareFB

One of my favorite quotes...


But James does not have the heart of a champion. He does not have the competitive fire of Jordan, the bull-headed determination of Kobe Bryant, the quiet self-confidence of Tim Duncan, the willful defiance of Isiah or the winning-is-everything hunger of Magic Johnson.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html?cnn=yes&hpt=C2&xid=shareFB#ixzz0tGBS6VXQ

[AK47DR91]

Read this article....says everything I feel about the situation and more...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html?cnn=yes&hpt=C2&xid=shareFB

One of my favorite quotes...

Couldn't agree more. I don't have a problem with him being a failure but it's the way he hyped himself up as the new King of basketball.

Now, we all see that he was nothing more than a stat stuffer. Probably a great player but will never have the heart or the will of a leading champion.

[Indian guy]

:oldlol:, you were the one in here announcing after every game that Lebron wasn't trying. He was overly passive in the fourth quarter of game 4 as well (he got grilled after that game) and most of game 2.

That's why I rewatched the series and the only game that stood out was the first half of Game 5. Honestly, go and watch Game 4 and tell me if you see anything fishy. I think I was just frustrated by his mediocre outings when I initially complained about it 2 months ago. But I couldn't find anything this time around beyond a bad pass to Varejao late in the game.


I just wonder if he sabotaged the 2-1 lead so he could leave Cleveland.

Sabotage a golden chance to a championship for.....this?!? It's one thing if he'd left Cleveland for NY or LA and got to live out his global icon/billionaire fantasies. But why the fu(k would he intentionally lose for this? What is he gaining by this besides unseen level of hatred, humiliation and pressure unlike anything an athlete has ever faced?

[Fatal9]

Simmons, who was a huge Lebron fan all last season on tonight's press celebration:


sportsguy33 - They should have had LeBron quit 2/3rds of the way through this Heat celebration - it could have been like the Boston series.

Bosh confirmed today they had been talking to each other about this months prior to this week. Trying to remember if a player of his caliber has ever quit in the middle of a playoff series, especially while leading 2-1 and having HCA.


Sabotage a golden chance to a championship for.....this?!? It's one thing if he'd left Cleveland for NY or LA and got to live out his global icon/billionaire fantasies. But why the fu(k would he intentionally lose for this? What is he gaining by this besides unseen level of hatred, humiliation and pressure unlike anything an athlete has ever faced?
That's what I don't understand. Why would he quit and opt for this? Is he this out of touch with reality? I'm sure he probably even thought he was going to be praised for his decision by most NBA fans, you know, taking the whole "winning" and "sacrifice" angle and all. Either he quit, or he got rattled, nothing else explains his bizarre play.