Rondo or Rose

[MiltownMadness]

Who would you rather have on your team?

[hawksdogsbraves]

I think Rose is more talented by a small margin, but considering Rondo is locked into 5 more years for only 55 million dollars, I'd take him because he is the most underpaid player in the league.

Rose will end up getting more than 20 million for year, and he is far from twice the player Rondo is.

[ZHAKIDD532]

I always really liked Rondo as a player even though I can't stand the team he plays for. I've always thought he was supremely underrated. Not so much anymore. He's the best player on that team now, and he's showing why. Rose was kind of the other way. I'm not saying he's completely overrated, but I do feel like people give him too much credit. He's really talented, but he's young, give him time and he'll become elite. Rondo is elite now.

Right now, I need 1 player to run the point for my team, Game 7 NBA Finals, I'll take Rondo.

[mattevans11]

depends on the supporting cast around them.... rondo is better for his team while rose is better for his team.

if the players were to swap.... the celtics would not drop as much as the bulls would....

[pahisc]

Better point guard: Rondo
Better player: Rondo, slightly.

[Batz]

Rose. The kid has so much potential it's ridiculous...

[pahisc]

Rose. The kid has so much potential it's ridiculous...

I don't see how Rondo doesn't have more potential. He is a far better passer, rebounds extremely well, and I would argue the fact that Rondo is quicker and he has crazy arms/hands. Rose has...Hops and strength, yet doesn't get to the line at a good pace.

[MiltownMadness]

I don't see how Rondo doesn't have more potential. He is a far better passer, rebounds extremely well, and I would argue the fact that Rondo is quicker and he has crazy arms/hands. Rose has...Hops and strength, yet doesn't get to the line at a good pace.
In the defense of Rose, he drives alot and makes contact, but never gets the calls for some reason.

[Funnyfuka]

rose is a lieutnant, not a captain.

[Batz]

I don't see how Rondo doesn't have more potential. He is a far better passer, rebounds extremely well, and I would argue the fact that Rondo is quicker and he has crazy arms/hands. Rose has...Hops and strength, yet doesn't get to the line at a good pace.
True. They both are headed for an amazing future. But we haven't seen Rose with a propper team, hell we haven't seen him with propper shooters. So it's not easy to pick between the two.

In the defense of Rose, he drives alot and makes contact, but never gets the calls for some reason.
This is so true. Anyone who watched the cavs series has to agree with this. The kid was getting hammered on just about every drive yet he took somewhere between 2-5 FTAs per game...

[highwhey]

i'll take rose.

[NoLayupsRule2]

Rose is the better franchise player of the two while Rondo is the better all-around player of the two. I'm quite tired of the Three HOFers argument, considering how none of them are even playing at All-Star level at this point. Rondo has more of the total package than Rose does, but I fear Rose more in the clutch and when he has the ball in his hands than Rondo in the clutch or when he has the ball in his hands.

[Blue.Legend]

Give me Rondo

See last year's playoff and this year's playoff for proof.

Also this dude plays max minutes while staying injury proof.

[Harison]

For lottery team give me Rose, for contender give me Rondo, simple as that.

[jasonresno]

For lottery team give me Rose, for contender give me Rondo, simple as that.
Considering that is how their short careers have been..I don't blame you. Rose has been the leader on a subpar Bulls team and Rondo has been a cog on a good Celtics team. I don't think you can compare the two, fairly at least, without looking at them outside of the way they are set up with their current teams.

Rondo is a great defender, a great hustle rebounder, a great passer, and a slightly below average shooter (though not the brick thrower that ISH users would lead you to believe). He posts well rounded numbers (16pts 5 boards and 11 assists per game is probably an average he'll hold for quite awhile and is fast as a mother ****er. With that said I think a big part of his #s are because he's surrounded by a good team. Is he still a 16/5/11 guy on a team built as poorly as the Nets? Or is he another Matt Cassel (a good player made extraordinary by the right team and system)? He knows how to run the offense and more importantly he knows how to pace the game. He's scary in the open court and can pass the ball like a young Kidd.

Now we look at Rose. Slightly younger and a helluva lot more explosive. From standing dribble to driving to the hoop he's one of the fastest in the NBA. He can get to the rim in the blink of the eye and finish as well. The scary thing is he still isn't getting calls. When he starts getting them you can almost book another 6 or 7 ppg no questions asked. He is the first option on a team with no legit second option and has proven that he's capable of taking over the reigns and keeping his team in the game. Over the span of a summer he has turned what was his weakness (mid range jumpshot) into a strength. He goes up for a shot between the FT line and the 3PT arc and you almost expect it to go in. He's a hard worker and humble as hell. His assist numbers are modest (6 or 7 a game) but I believe that's more indicitive of the guys playing next to him than a true talent. With a big man down low that is a legit scorer (Bosh?) you can book his assists to spike up quite a bit.

So who do I think is better? I'm really not sure. If all the players in the NBA were thrown back into the draft and it was my choice and I had to choose one of these guys I think I would pick Rose because I can see (and he's shown already) that you can put NBDL guys in the lineup and he can still post monster numbers and win ballgames. I haven't seen Rondo do that yet but in his defense he hasn't had to. It isn't fair for him to get penalized for being on a good team but with a team sport like basketball and ESPECIALLY for the position--it has to be taken into consideration.

[pete's montreux]

Both have proved to be legit players in the regular season and the post-season. It really depends on what you need and how your team is set up. Rondo is an all around player, Rose is the much better scorer. Rondo has the edge in every category except shooting and overall scoring ability. And Rose is not even that good of a shooter, he's barely better at that than Rondo.

Scoring goes a really long way, so I'd say Rondo is slightly better than Rose right now. They're gonna be 1a 1b point guards in the east for the next 10 years.

[DOMINATOR]

rondo can't shoot period. not even freethrows.

[jasonresno]

Both have proved to be legit players in the regular season and the post-season. It really depends on what you need and how your team is set up. Rondo is an all around player, Rose is the much better scorer. Rondo has the edge in every category except shooting and overall scoring ability. And Rose is not even that good of a shooter, he's barely better at that than Rondo.

Scoring goes a really long way, so I'd say Rondo is slightly better than Rose right now. They're gonna be 1a 1b point guards in the east for the next 10 years.

Bolded part is flat out wrong. Using the stats (linked at bottom of quote) listed you can see that it's verified that Rondo is several tiers below Rose on the offensive end.



Derrick Rose is the Best PG Midrange Shooter This Year

Postby BrooklynBulls on Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:28 pm
Statistics taken from Hoopdata. Taken from Players ranked as PGs, playing in >40 games this year.

Yep. He really is the best midranger shooter at PG in the league.

From 10 feet and in (basically, floater range): Derrick Rose shoots the most attempts of any PG, makes the most, and has the best FG%. Outside of Mike Bibby, but that guy's taken 20 of those shots the entire year. He's the best at his position at this. 1st in this area.

From 10-15 feet: Tied with Chris Paul for most makes per game in this area, with Chris Paul shooting a slightly superior 51.5% to Rose's 49.7%. Steve Nash shoots a 55% from this area. So Rose is probably 3rd best in this area.

From 16-23 feet: Derrick Rose leads all PGs in attempts and makes per game (by far), tied for 5th in FG% at 44.0%. Takes 7 a game, makes 3, the only person with similar volume is Paul with 5 attempts at 45.0% FG%. Nash outpaces all other PGs shooting this shot at 46% accuracy. #5 in this area- all the players he's tied with are not nearly as high volume as he is.

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2010&gp=40&mins=25

He's not just become a "solid" midrange shooter. Or a "good" midrange shooter. He's inarguably top 3 at the position, and arguably the best considering shot volume. He's an ELITE midrange shooter, at only his 2nd year in the league.

[pete's montreux]

I was going off some Chicago fans opinions. All I hear from them is that he's a terrible mid-range shooter. I guess I'm wrong, and so are the guys that watch his every game. Weird.

[thejumpa]

Even if he is a worst or equal shooter, I'll still take Rose' shooting over Rondos. Rondos jumper is ugly as hell and needs major work. Rose is ahead based off of form alone.

[Pharcyde]

I think Rose is more talented by a small margin, but considering Rondo is locked into 5 more years for only 55 million dollars, I'd take him because he is the most underpaid player in the league.

Rose will end up getting more than 20 million for year, and he is far from twice the player Rondo is.
He won't be close to making 20 million a year unless the CBA keeps everything the same (they won't) and the cap raises up a lot.

[JohnnySic]

Nice, an original topic.

[jrong]

Rose will probably be better one day, but now I have trouble giving him the nod in any category except scoring / shooting. Rondo, at the moment, is a dramatically better passer, rebounder, and defender, as well as leader and big-moment performer.

[liquidrage]

Rose will probably be better one day, but now I have trouble giving him the nod in any category except scoring / shooting. Rondo, at the moment, is a dramatically better passer, rebounder, and defender, as well as leader and big-moment performer.

This. Do you need/want your PG to be the primary shot taker? If so Rose. If not, Rondo.

If I was building a team from scratch, Rondo. I'd rather my SG/SF be the best scorer on the team, and the guy handling the ball and setting up the offense being a distributor first with a mentality of playing an all around game.

Not everyone has that luxury though. It will be interesting to see Rose's game if he get to play with another great talent.

[miller-time]

rose will probably go the way of the steve francis and stephon marbury types. rondo will still be relevant in 10 years time.

[J23]

Rondo without knowing who else is on the team, he just sets everyone up.

[HylianNightmare]

As a magic fan i'd love to have rondo on our team

[MagicalLA]

Just bump old Rondo vs Rose threads instead of creating a new one.

[wally_world]

Depends. If im trying to groom a go-to-scorer, DRose. I think Rondo is more suited as a point guard rather than a scorer. It would be scary if in the near future he has a teammate like Amare etc, a big who does nothing but score.

[MMM]

Rose will be better some time down the road probably but for right now I'll take Rondo because he can dominate a game in more then one way.

[Saber]

I think rose is a type of player that can do so much with so little. Rondo is the type of player that can be effective with a lot.

[RajonKGcelts]

I think rose is a type of player that can do so much with so little. Rondo is the type of player that can be effective with a lot.


Of course you would think that. Wait until KG and Pierce retire and he'll prove you guys wrong. Put Rose on the celts now and i really think they wouldn't be as good. Rose will play you out of games

[s0ulfear4]

Rose for the win.

[aem]

As a Bulls fan, I have no problem in admitting that Rondo is better right now. To be fair though, Rondo wasnt doing anything special his first couple of years in the league, or at least no one was talking about him, so I think its only fair that we wait and see what else Rose has to offer.

Rondo is beast. I love the kid. Same goes for Derrick though.

[jasonresno]

Of course you would think that. Wait until KG and Pierce retire and he'll prove you guys wrong. Put Rose on the celts now and i really think they wouldn't be as good. Rose will play you out of games
I agreed partly with your first statement but your second one shows how stupid you are. How does Rose play anyone out of games? He's the reason the Bulls did as well as they did. He is mad clutch. Rondo is a great player and all but your entire post is just full of hypotheticals.

Homer.

[artificial]

For lottery team give me Rose, for contender give me Rondo, simple as that.
+1

Rondo is an amazing glue guy. Not chemistry wise (don't know about that) but he does a lot of things to help his team on the court. I definitely pick him if I need a piece to make a team work.

On the other hand, Rose is more of a player that takes the spotlight. I'd take him if I need a legit (1st or 2nd, even 3rd) option to lead my team.


Now, who would I take without considering team situation? Probably Rose.

[RajonKGcelts]

I agreed partly with your first statement but your second one shows how stupid you are. How does Rose play anyone out of games? He's the reason the Bulls did as well as they did. He is mad clutch. Rondo is a great player and all but your entire post is just full of hypotheticals.

Homer.


I could be mad clutch if i take 28 shots a ****in game in the playoffs. Give me a break. Imagine him with 3 great players like KG, Paul and Allen? He'd still take that many shots, and alienate his team. He's not even a smart passer. Give me a break.

[RajonKGcelts]

+1

Rondo is an amazing glue guy. Not chemistry wise (don't know about that) but he does a lot of things to help his team on the court. I definitely pick him if I need a piece to make a team work.

On the other hand, Rose is more of a player that takes the spotlight. I'd take him if I need a legit (1st or 2nd, even 3rd) option to lead my team.


Now, who would I take without considering team situation? Probably Rose.


I agree. I'm not trying to compare him to the great one Jordan. But was Jordan the best chemistry guy on his team? Obv not, he just wanted to win. He was hard on them. I like guys like that

[aem]

I could be mad clutch if i take 28 shots a ****in game in the playoffs. Give me a break. Imagine him with 3 great players like KG, Paul and Allen? He'd still take that many shots, and alienate his team. He's not even a smart passer. Give me a break.

When Ben Gordon was on the Bulls roster, I dont think Derrick ever took that many shots. He wasnt the first option last year and this year he was forced to be.

He doesnt alienate his team, I think that's a bit harsh. If it wasnt for him, they wouldnt have made the playoffs so I dunno... Defend Rondo all you want because the kid is phenomenal but dont paint Derrick out to be this selfish little *****.

[Bigsmoke]

Rose is better.

thats all yall guys needed to know.

[liquidrage]

If it wasnt for Bosh's injury and playing in a weak East they wouldnt have made the playoffs so I dunno

Fixed

They'd have been 15 games out if they played in the west.

[Yung D-Will]

Rondo any day of the week

[Go Getter]

The question is a little complicated for me.

If you ask who'd I take right now I'd say Rose.

But if you ask me who is better right right now I'd have to say Rondo.

I can't hold the fact that he has a better team and better coaching against him because of the way he raises his play in the post season [for three years now]....the kid is balling and imo has been the best PG in the post season and one of the best players.

For my tastes, playing well when it counts matters more than any stat in the book.

[Go Getter]

I could be mad clutch if i take 28 shots a ****in game in the playoffs. Give me a break. Imagine him with 3 great players like KG, Paul and Allen? He'd still take that many shots, and alienate his team. He's not even a smart passer. Give me a break.


Why spew hate like that man your statements are far from true.

[Pharcyde]

I could be mad clutch if i take 28 shots a ****in game in the playoffs. Give me a break. Imagine him with 3 great players like KG, Paul and Allen? He'd still take that many shots, and alienate his team. He's not even a smart passer. Give me a break.

Rondo sucks.

[MMM]

Rondo sucks.

yet he has been the best Celtics player the last 2 post seasons when it matters most.

[pahisc]

Rondo sucks.

At having other people take SATs for him. I would take Rose over Rondo in that category.

[rondo9]

Rondo sucks.
Rose is a scorer not a PG.:bowdown:

[PoohRose]

Rose is a scorer not a PG.:bowdown:
Not a pg? Its funny how one idiot says this and all the sheep keep repeating it.

[Pharcyde]

yet he has been the best Celtics player the last 2 post seasons when it matters most.
He sucks.

[VishaltotheG]

Rose is a scorer not a PG.:bowdown:

He is only a scorer because nobody else on the team can score. Name one other consistent scorer on the Bulls. When we had a legit scorer (Gordon), Rose didn't try to take as many shots as he did last year. No, he isn't Steve Francis. Rose already has more playoff wins than he ever won.

[pahisc]

He sucks.

Don't be butt hurt because the Celtics have a point guard and the Bulls have an undersized shooting guard.

[burnsy87]

I was going off some Chicago fans opinions. All I hear from them is that he's a terrible mid-range shooter. I guess I'm wrong, and so are the guys that watch his every game. Weird.

There are no Chicago fans that say that. People that say that do not watch games, because he has been money from mid range the ENTIRE season.

[VishaltotheG]

Don't be butt hurt because the Celtics have a point guard and the Bulls have an undersized shooting guard.

Rose would be a good facilitator if HE HAD FRICKEN TEAMMATES WHO CAN SCORE. Get it?

[Pharcyde]

Don't be butt hurt because the Celtics have a point guard and the Bulls have an undersized shooting guard.

Rondo sucks.

[Pharcyde]

Rose would be a good facilitator if HE HAD FRICKEN TEAMMATES WHO CAN SCORE. Get it?
No, it's about the offensive scheme.

[pahisc]

Rondo sucks.

I addressed this already, twice.

[VishaltotheG]

No, it's about the offensive scheme.

What do you mean?

[pahisc]

What do you mean?

He means Rose can't pass the ball when his eyes are on the rim all the time when he is taking 25 shots a game.

[brooks_thompson]

has anyone said rondo yet

[burnsy87]

I could be mad clutch if i take 28 shots a ****in game in the playoffs. Give me a break. Imagine him with 3 great players like KG, Paul and Allen? He'd still take that many shots, and alienate his team. He's not even a smart passer. Give me a break.


He would still take that many shots?

Considering the fact that he was taking 10-15 shots a game and his teammates told him to start scoring more...

I love the retards on this board that just make up "facts" like you.

[VishaltotheG]

He means Rose can't pass the ball when his eyes are on the rim all the time when he is taking 25 shots a game.

Rose isn't fricken Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis. He isn't a pain in the ass for coaches or other players. He's a very nice guy who is only trying to will his garbage team into getting wins. It's pretty clear he doesn't want to take 25 shots a game. He just wants someone else to do the scoring. That's why he constantly drives in and kicks it out to the open guy at the wing, only to have him miss the shot, and miss an assist opportunity. Meanwhile, all Rondo has to do is choose one of his great HOF players and throw the ball at them, gaining an assist and showing how GREAT of a facilitator he is.

[burnsy87]

Fixed

They'd have been 15 games out if they played in the west.


Would people stop bringing up bosh. If the Bulls didnt lose Deng and Noah for 15 games, the Raptors wouldn't have been in a position to even pass the Bulls in the standings.

It is incredible how people say our injuries had no effect on us, but the Raptors injuries did.

[NoLayupsRule2]

Rondo sucks.
Right.....because any other PG that plays on the Celtics could average a triple-double or near a triple-double for a series. You are either being an idiot, a troll or both.

[jasonresno]

He would still take that many shots?

Considering the fact that he was taking 10-15 shots a game and his teammates told him to start scoring more...

I love the retards on this board that just make up "facts" like you.
Completely owned haha. He's one of those guys that would rather close his eyes and yell what he believes than see the actual truth. It's fine to think Rondo > Rose and maybe, right now, it's true. But to hate on Rose game when all he's been is a good teammate, a clutch shooter, and a great all around scorer (outside of his 3s) is absurd.

[Celts34]

Rose isn't fricken Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis. .

Can i ask why alot Rose fans make it seem like the Steve Francis comps are so disrespectful. Have people forgotten how disgusting Steve Francis was. Dude was an athletic beast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKc9S7loqdw

time for some education people.

[pahisc]

time for some education people.

They don't want education, they're following their role model D-Rose.

[VishaltotheG]

Can i ask why alot Rose fans make it seem like the Steve Francis comps are so disrespectful. Have people forgotten how disgusting Steve Francis was. Dude was an athletic beast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKc9S7loqdw

time for some education people.

No, Derrick Rose is a team player and a nice guy, Francis is a selfish one and terrible teammate. His entire career, one measley playoff win. That is why it is insulting to compare Rose to Francis.

[Celts34]

No, Derrick Rose is a team player and a nice guy, Francis is a selfish one and terrible teammate. His entire career, one measley playoff win. That is why it is insulting to compare Rose to Francis.

Stylistically they are very similiar. thats all i'm saying, team success obviously is a different story. But I will say, he also played in the Western Conference at its peak. And the early 00's Rockets had a few seasons where they missed the playoffs with enough wins to be the 3 seed in the East.

[Duranthebest]

Rose, easily, and I'm a Celtics fan.

[Pharcyde]

What do you mean?

Vinny sucked and had a terrible offensive scheme. There was no off-ball motion and the same 3 plays were ran over and over again.

[liquidrage]

Would people stop bringing up bosh. If the Bulls didnt lose Deng and Noah for 15 games, the Raptors wouldn't have been in a position to even pass the Bulls in the standings.

It is incredible how people say our injuries had no effect on us, but the Raptors injuries did.

Bosh > Rose so whatever.

Injuries effect every team. But Bosh is a little different then Deng and Noah.

And still, out west you're not even close to a playoff team.

[Yung D-Will]

Someone watch how Rondo is playing right now and then explain to me how Rose is better

[liquidrage]

Someone watch how Rondo is playing right now and then explain to me how Rose is better

He takes more shots a game.

That and all 5 people from the other team defend him at all times.

Oh, and the refs hate him.

[CanYouDigIt]

:roll:

[CelticBaller]

lol great thread, most of these rose stans left the forums after their boy went mia :oldlol:

[Flash31]

Rose bc he can actually carry a team regardless of how far he made it and most importantly He can Shoot and make his Free Throws.

Rose doesnt get more space to shoot and is covered way less than anybody else like Rondo is.
When teams re giving you 5-10 feet of space to shoot and youre avoiding getting fouled like the plague bc youre One of the worst free throw shooters in the league and the Absolute Worst of anybody not a Big man,yeah.

Not to mention one has Boozer,Noah,Deng while the other had
Garnett,Pierce,Green/Allen to help him out.

On offense theres 20-25 better point guards than Rondo.

And sure you can bring up 40 pts for Rondo in playoffs but they lost,
Rondos game high 40 plus came in a losing effort and comparing defenses to one of the most dynamic pg scorers to a guy who Teams want ACTIVELY try to make him shoot,yeah.

And Its a guarantee that any top ten pg who tries to spam assistsvand statpad them could get as high a number of assists as Rondo,even better.
When youre giving up WIDE OPEN layups to pass to somebody for an assist,when you are avoiding contact like a disease and are supposed to be a top 10 pg yet cant shhot or make free throws to save your life,yeah.

Rondo is the Dwight Howard of pg,only thing is his best competition isnt Brook Lopez and Andrew Bynum.
Hes Jason Kidd if J Kidd was Statpadding assists and shot worse,and had worst ft percentage among guards.


Rose vs Rondo
How is this even a contest,Rose All day Every Day

[Pointguard]

Hey Flash this is a dated thread. Rose had a comparisons with every pg on his way up the ladder. Especially in 2011 when he caught up to them all. The standout comparisons were Westbrook, Rondo, Dwill, CP3 threads came up every month. The head to matchups were entertaining with Ros

[Bigsmoke]

lol great thread, most of these rose stans left the forums after their boy went mia :oldlol:

Rondo is going to have some rough years ahead of him.

Just keeping it real

[CelticBaller]

Rondo is going to have some rough years ahead of him.

Just keeping it real
Great insight :applause:


Your boys went on an exodus, I advise you to go on it too :oldlol:

[yobore]

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Hey Flash this is a dated thread. Rose had a comparisons with every pg on his way up the ladder. Especially in 2011 when he caught up to them all. The standout comparisons were Westbrook, Rondo, Dwill, CP3 threads came up every month. The head to matchups were entertaining with Ros

[Bigsmoke]

Great insight :applause:


Your boys went on an exodus, I advise you to go on it too :oldlol:
:coleman:

[Pointguard]

The two games against CP that Rose fans always fawn over were

1. in the low point of his career when he first took off the knee brace and was having duds against everybody (even Calderon was looking like Isiah vs him)

and

2. his first game with a new team in a season that started a month late without training camp, and he had just been traded a few days before, so obviously the chemistry wasn't there yet defensively.

From these two games Bulls fans have decided that almighty Rose completely owns and always will own CP.

I never said he owned him. But he did own that game and did turn on the burners after halftime and some edging on by Chris Paul's dribbling.

Can't say new team, new system is an excuse because Rose outplayed all of the elite point guards in a new team, new system, new coach, a constantly changing frontcourt due to injuries with no excuses. So if its an excuse for Chris Paul its definitely a prop for Derrick Rose. It can't work one way and not the other. I'm down for it, if its across the board. Will the Chris Paul people prop D Rose for the same and his taking out the others?

[Funnyfuka]

rondo, rose is damaged goods.

[greymatter]

Depends on the team make up.

Rose would have sucked playing alongside PP, KG, Allen. At least 1 or more of them wouldn't have been very effective (most likely PP). His PG skills are mediocre at best.

Rondo would have been horrible in Rose's position because the Bulls wouldn't have anyone but Carlos Boozer to rely on to attempt to generate consistent offense. Bulls were just mediocre offensively with Rose. They'd suck horribly with Rondo.

As far as upside is concerned, even Jason Kidd eventually developed a good 3 pt shot. If Rondo ever develops a merely average jumpshot, he'd be clearly better than Rose since he's equal or better at every other facet of the game.

[KrizMiz]

rondo - no doubt

[Pointguard]

Depends on the team make up.

Rose would have sucked playing alongside PP, KG, Allen. At least 1 or more of them wouldn't have been very effective (most likely PP). His PG skills are mediocre at best.

Rondo would have been horrible in Rose's position because the Bulls wouldn't have anyone but Carlos Boozer to rely on to attempt to generate consistent offense. Bulls were just mediocre offensively with Rose. They'd suck horribly with Rondo.

As far as upside is concerned, even Jason Kidd eventually developed a good 3 pt shot. If Rondo ever develops a merely average jumpshot, he'd be clearly better than Rose since he's equal or better at every other facet of the game.
Upside?
Rose in his third year with the second highest usage rate in the league lead his team to the best record. Rondo is in his prime after playin five years with three HOFs on his team. Rose is three years away from his prime.

Very few teams will have three HOFers on it.

[Go Getter]

rondo, rose is damaged goods.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Rose fans haven't gone anywhere. All I have to do is ring the alarm and we form like Voltron!

:rockon:

[Go Getter]

Depends on the team make up.

Rose would have sucked playing alongside PP, KG, Allen. At least 1 or more of them wouldn't have been very effective (most likely PP). His PG skills are mediocre at best.

Rondo would have been horrible in Rose's position because the Bulls wouldn't have anyone but Carlos Boozer to rely on to attempt to generate consistent offense. Bulls were just mediocre offensively with Rose. They'd suck horribly with Rondo.

As far as upside is concerned, even Jason Kidd eventually developed a good 3 pt shot. If Rondo ever develops a merely average jumpshot, he'd be clearly better than Rose since he's equal or better at every other facet of the game.
Rose finished at the basket better than Rondo ever will. The simple fact that you missed that CLEAR AND APPARENT FACT invalidates this post.....troll.

[Papaya Petee]

Rondo is the better point guard
Better passer, rebounder and defender

Rose is the better scorer.

[nathanjizzle]

why is this even a discussion. rose proved he was equally as good as rondo in his rookie season. actually, rose was the best player on the floor in that celtics series. :roll:

4 years later and an mvp and rondo is still better? HAHA

[Le Shaqtus]

why is this even a discussion. rose proved he was equally as good as rondo in his rookie season. actually, rose was the best player on the floor in that celtics series. :roll:

4 years later and an mvp and rondo is still better? HAHA

Rondo is a better point guard than Rose.

But overall I think Rose is slightly better just because of how dynamic he is.

[Go Getter]

Rondo is a better point guard than Rose.

But overall I think Rose is slightly better just because of how dynamic he is.
Stop living in the past. Positions aren't as rigid as they used to be. This isn't Hoosiers where the point guard has to take less than 10 shots a game.

Both players play point guard...and Rose is the better player therefore the better point guard. If you like pass first PGs that's on you.

[Le Shaqtus]

Stop living in the past. Positions aren't as rigid as they used to be. This isn't Hoosiers where the point guard has to take less than 10 shots a game.

Both players play point guard...and Rose is the better player therefore the better point guard. If you like pass first PGs that's on you.

No need to be hostile about it brah :lol