Poll: Kobe vs. Lebron - Who is better?

[IssaBA]

Reply ONLY with Kobe or Lebron.

If you leave any type of comment, your vote will be spoiled and won't be counted.

First to 100 = /thread

My vote: Kobe

Count: 69-55 Kobe

[SEEBASS1234]

or

[Derka]

Varitek Split The Uprights.

[jdem]

These ionic athletes

[EastCaliChillin]

Black Mamba

[Jailblazers7]

Lebron

[Solid Snake]

I can't wait till NBA 2K11 comes out, I'm really curious about how they rate the two of them. Did they both get 98s last year?

[AK47DR91]

#24

[PowerGlove]

Lebron.

[jdem]

Kobe.

[PurpleChuck]

Kobe

Though Wade>Both

[griffmoney2084]

just to show how confident i am kobe will win

i will make my vote not count onpurpose


KOBE F'n BRYANT


TELL CHARLES BARKLEY AND HOLLINGER THIS AINT NO GOT DAMN FANTASY LEAGUE


DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK KOBE COULDNT TAKE 30 SHOTS A GAME IF HE WANTED TO AND SCORE 40-50 EVERY NIGHT?

TOTALLY TAKE HIS TEAM OUT OF THE TRIANGLE AND RUN CAVS OFFENSE FOR 3 MORE ASSISTS A GAME?

DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK LEBRON IS AVERAGING MORE OF THIS AND MORE OF THAT BECAUSE ONLY HE CAN????????????


ITS BECAUSE HE HAS NO ONE TO LISTEN TO

THATS WHY THE CAVS SUCK

LEBRONS A SH^^Y COACH!

[AK47DR91]

^^^ You've been disqualified.

[plowking]

Lebron>Wade>Kobe.

This coming from someone who enjoys watching both Kobe and Wade more than Lebron.

[YouGotServed]

LeBron James

[bl2k8]

Kobe

[Simple Jack]

just to show how confident i am kobe will win

i will make my vote not count onpurpose


KOBE F'n BRYANT


TELL CHARLES BARKLEY AND HOLLINGER THIS AINT NO GOT DAMN FANTASY LEAGUE


DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK KOBE COULDNT TAKE 30 SHOTS A GAME IF HE WANTED TO AND SCORE 40-50 EVERY NIGHT?

TOTALLY TAKE HIS TEAM OUT OF THE TRIANGLE AND RUN CAVS OFFENSE FOR 3 MORE ASSISTS A GAME?

DO PEOPLE REALLY THINK LEBRON IS AVERAGING MORE OF THIS AND MORE OF THAT BECAUSE ONLY HE CAN????????????


ITS BECAUSE HE HAS NO ONE TO LISTEN TO

THATS WHY THE CAVS SUCK

LEBRONS A SH^^Y COACH!

Do you enjoy trolling? Does Kobe shoot 45-46% because he wants to? Does he go 10/29 shooting because he wants to? Does he have months of terrible shooting because he wants to?

Kobe had a terrible cast in 05 and still couldn't put up LeBron numbers.

You're delusional if you think Kobe is better than LeBron right now.

[RonRon37]

Kobe Bryant

[RonRon37]

here is my answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAslWCctfSM&feature=related

[Batz]

I can't wait till NBA 2K11 comes out, I'm really curious about how they rate the two of them. Did they both get 98s last year?
Kobe got 97 and Lebron got 96. But that shit is ****ed up, they had Lebron's shoot off the dribble at 89 and midrange at high 80's. SMH... :lol

[RonRon37]

Kobe got 97 and Lebron got 96. But that shit is ****ed up, they had Lebron's shoot off the dribble at 89 and midrange at high 80's. SMH... :lol

2k9 and 2k10 kobes better in both

[ShaqAttack3234]

Lebron

[krazymofo]

kobe

[cotdt]

kobe

[ashbelly]

i don't think this thread is going to change anything .. tyreke evans

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Kobe "Jelly Bean" Bryant

[LBJMVP]

here is my answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAslWCctfSM&feature=related


i could make the exact same thing with lebrons highlights...

[magnax1]

Kobe (and thats what most are going to say, but if you asked a month ago many more would've said Lebron. Its just because of how fickle people on ISH are)

[LBJMVP]

Kobe got 97 and Lebron got 96. But that shit is ****ed up, they had Lebron's shoot off the dribble at 89 and midrange at high 80's. SMH... :lol


the had kobe's passing ability high to... dont forget about that :lol

[Mentally_Pretty]

Kobe>Lebron>>>>>MGay

[Fatal9]

Lebron.

[Scoooter]

Lebron. Kobe's never really impressed me (and I say that readily acknowledging him as probably the second greatest 2-guard ever).

:confusedshrug:

[Blue_Dog45]

Kobe

[RonRon37]

Kobe

[artest 93]

LeBron

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe

[LBJMVP]

Lebron!!!!!!!!

lebrons takin a team to the finals. (06 finals)
6 Shannon Brown G 6-4 205
1 Daniel Gibson G 6-2 190
90 Drew Gooden F 6-10 230
32 Larry Hughes G 6-5 184
11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 7-3 238
23 LeBron James F 6-8 240 December 30,
19 Damon Jones G 6-3 185 August 25,
27 Dwayne Jones F-C 6-11 250
24 Donyell Marshall F 6-9 218 May 18,
14 Ira Newble F 6-7 220 January 20, 1975
3 Sasha Pavlovic G-F 6-8 220 November 15,
31 Scot Pollard C 6-11 265 February 12,
20 Eric Snow G 6-3 190 April 24,
17 Anderson Varejao F 6-10 230
4 David Wesley



kobe getting help to get to the finals (09 finals)
Ron Artest F 6-7 260
12 Shannon Brown G
24 Kobe Bryant G
17 Andrew Bynum C
1 Jordan Farmar G
2 Derek Fisher G
16 Pau Gasol F-C
28 Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
6 Adam Morrison F
7 Lamar Odom F
21 Josh Powell F
18 Sasha Vujacic
4 Luke Walton


kobe's team in the finals

[PowerGlove]

Lebron. Kobe's never really impressed me (and I say that readily acknowledging him as probably the second greatest 2-guard ever).

:confusedshrug:

How does being the second greatest not impress you?

[RonRon37]

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/Zelenoff21/KobeHoldingTrophy.jpg

[Scoooter]

How does being the second greatest not impress you?
I'm not entirely sure. Hence the ":confusedshrug:".

[jstern]

Lebron is better than Kobe. That's just a fact. Can't judge a player by who had the last success. Have to look a the circumstances.

[Mentally_Pretty]

Kobe knows how to win when it matters.

[mongePR(kb24)]

k o b e

[jstern]

I'm not entirely sure. Hence the ":confusedshrug:".
It's like he's great, but has certain flaws that just doesn't make him top 10. The 45% shooting percentage, 40% in the finals.

I think I just realized the problem, he's good, but I'm always comparing him to Jordan, and he's so far away from Jordan. I always think of Kobe in comparison to Jordan, and it makes me look at all the things he's not.

[AJ2k8]

Derek Fisher

[chazzy]

It's crazy how one series can completely change people's perceptions. Look at this poll, this definitely would've been all blue during the 1st round... especially Ohio :eek:

http://i.imgur.com/Zajfw.jpg

[PurpleChuck]

It's crazy how one series can completely change people's perceptions. Look at this poll, this definitely would've been all blue during the 1st round... especially Ohio :eek:

http://i.imgur.com/Zajfw.jpg

Lol at those bandwagon-ers...

[CeoTypeDoe619]

It's crazy how one series can completely change people's perceptions. Look at this poll, this definitely would've been all blue during the 1st round... especially Ohio :eek:

http://i.imgur.com/Zajfw.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Thats crazy what one series could do. Not surprised everyone from all my homies to my pops was calling this guy overrated after game 6.

True. Plus the media was putting him on a pedestal higher then deserved.

[Batz]

the had kobe's passing ability high to... dont forget about that :lol
It's at 73... fail... :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Thats crazy what one series could do. Not surprised everyone from all my homies to my pops was calling this guy overrated after game 6.

True. Plus the media was putting him on a pedestal higher then deserved.
Uh... I remember the poll "Who do you want taking the last shot?" and every state picked Kobe except for Ohio.

[LBJMVP]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Thats crazy what one series could do. Not surprised everyone from all my homies to my pops was calling this guy overrated after game 6.

True. Plus the media was putting him on a pedestal higher then deserved.

lebron had 2 buzzer beater against washington in the playoffs, one against orlando, and lets not forget what he did to detroit in 06. one bad game and doesnt make you overrated especially when he had 27 19 and 10 in game 6.

[jazz873]

Lebron

[Azizi]

Kobe Bryant

[PowerGlove]

lebron had 2 buzzer beater against washington in the playoffs, one against orlando, and lets not forget what he did to detroit in 06. one bad game and doesnt make you overrated especially when he had 27 19 and 10 in game 6.

Stop arguing.

No one brings up the Celtics beating the Lakers after being down by 23 points in the second half.

No one brings up the airballs against the Jazz.

No one brings up the selfish play against the Pistons in the 2004 finals.

No brings up the what, 5 points against the Pacers in the finals.

People only talk about what is happening, not what you have done before.

[Lakers13]

Kobe

[Crash]

Kobe

[ChrisConley]

Wait, why isn't this thread titled "Who has more fans on ISH, Kobe or LeBron"?

[Batz]

Wait, why isn't this thread titled "Who has more fans on ISH, Kobe or LeBron"?
And it's a bad time too when the cavs have just been knocked out of the playoffs and all the fans are in hiding...

[Goon Time]

Kobe

[NoLayupsRule2]

What a perfect time to make this poll, right when LeBron gets knocked out of the playoffs and right when Kobe starts to get it going. :oldlol: Not bad timing or anything like that. :oldlol:

LeBron James. But I'd take Dwyane Wade over both of them, well not really LeBron.

[ChrisConley]

And it's a bad time too when the cavs have just been knocked out of the playoffs and all the fans are in hiding...

Aha! Good point. So by "bad time" you mean the perfect opportunity for a Kobe fan to set up a LeBron vs. Kobe poll. Brilliant!

[plowking]

Funny how the majority of these Kobe votes come from posters with less than 150 posts who have never been seen prior to this thread...

[Batz]

Aha! Good point. So by "bad time" you mean the perfect opportunity for a Kobe fan to set up a LeBron vs. Kobe poll. Brilliant!
Yeah pretty much.

[Lakers13]

Funny how the majority of these Kobe votes come from posters with less than 150 posts who have never been seen prior to this thread...


Prob used to be LBJ fans :oldlol:

[plowking]

Prob used to be LBJ fans :oldlol:

Oh yeah, that's it... :rolleyes:

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Oh yeah, that's it... :rolleyes:
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy356/Marqis_17/KOBEUMAD.jpg



http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Bob_Johnny/wadetears2.jpg

[JtotheIzzo]

if you were a GM would you trade LeBron for Kobe?

No

end thread

[CeoTypeDoe619]

if you were a GM would you trade LeBron for Kobe?

No

end thread
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25> 31

Idiots

[rfm767]

Kobe

[NoLayupsRule2]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2010/3/4/634033191575842885-KingJames.jpg

[plowking]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

25> 31

Idiots


Considering about 20 of them were accounts made by you, Lebron is ahead.

[plowking]

Furthermore, I don't think a single Cavs fan has posted an opinion, where as just about all of Kobe's votes have been Laker fans lol.

[lakerspng]

Kobe

[letsdothis]

kobe

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe

[griffmoney2084]

i always laugh when these 10-15 and 40-50 year old lebron fans say lebron is better because gms would rather have a 25 year old than a 31 year old

thats basically saying your better if you have more prime years left for future value

when in reality it just means your younger

would be like saying shaq > jordan in 1997 because gms would rather have shaq for the next 15 years than jordan for the next 2 years

but for those 2 years the better guy was jordan




( oh and btw the reason i listed those ages for lebron fans is because the only people who like him are kids born in 1995-2000 and old jordan fans that would hate anyone on the verge of 6 rings and cheer for cleveland because chicago sucks now )

[PowerGlove]

i always laugh when these 10-15 and 40-50 year old lebron fans say lebron is better because gms would rather have a 25 year old than a 31 year old

thats basically saying your better if you have more prime years left for future value

when in reality it just means your younger

would be like saying shaq > jordan in 1997 because gms would rather have shaq for the next 15 years than jordan for the next 2 years

but for those 2 years the better guy was jordan

Kobe at 25 is not better than bron at 25.

[JtotheIzzo]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

25> 31

Idiots


great insight, you still haven't gotten over the retard phase, even after 2000 plus posts.

it takes a SPECIAL kind of poster to pull that off. You are SPECIAL.

[bl2k8]

Kobe at 25 is not better than bron at 25.
I would take him, I still get the numbers plus a guy who doesn't fold under pressure. LBJ lost a lot of my respect after game 5.

[DeeDee]

Lebron

[griffmoney2084]

Kobe at 25 is not better than bron at 25.

because lebron can average 3 more rebounds with the body of a power forward?

or

because lebron holds the ball more than twice as much as kobe to get 2 more assists?


i remember kobe at 24 years old in 2003 being more skilled an offensive and defensive player than lebron ever was, that was the year he was averaging 40ppg for months, breaking three point records

it was probably his most all around tallent / peak athleticism season

where he had the kind of range and off hand ability he has now, but could still pull off those windmill dunks and throw it down in traffic...

sorry but i would rather have

2003,2004,2006,07,08,09 and 10 kobe than any of lebrons years


cant teach hunger

kobe has it, lebron doesnt want it

[CeoTypeDoe619]

because lebron can average 3 more rebounds with the body of a power forward?

or

because lebron holds the ball more than twice as much as kobe to get 2 more assists?


i remember kobe at 24 years old in 2003 being more skilled an offensive and defensive player than lebron ever was, that was the year he was averaging 40ppg for months, breaking three point records

it was probably his most all around tallent / peak athleticism season

where he had the kind of range and off hand ability he has now, but could still pull off those windmill dunks and throw it down in traffic...

sorry but i would rather have

2003,2004,2006,07,08,09 and 10 kobe than any of lebrons years


cant teach hunger

kobe has it, lebron doesnt want it
:applause: :applause:

[DDensity]

What a unique and original thread!

[Scribbles]

Kobe easily

[YAWN]

glen rice

[jstern]

Something fishy about this thread. I see a lot of one word post saying "Kobe", yet those people who just wrote "Kobe" don't respond, or get into a discussion with those who chose Lebron. Normally a back and forth discussion starts, but all I see is, "Kobe" and then gone. Almost like bots. Which leads me to believe that someone really wants Kobe to win this, and this person has a lot of account, and they're signing in and out. If that's the case, that person has to realize that there's more to life than the NBA, Kobe and Lebron.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Something fishy about this thread. I see a lot of one word post saying "Kobe", yet those people who just wrote "Kobe" don't respond, or get into a discussion with those who chose Lebron. Normally a back and forth discussion starts, but all I see is, "Kobe" and then gone. Almost like bots. Which leads me to believe that someone really wants Kobe to win this, and this person has a lot of account, and they're signing in and out. If that's the case, that person has to realize that there's more to life than the NBA, Kobe and Lebron.
LOL N*ggas acting like this is the 2000 presidential election.
Its got to be rigged :oldlol:

But a few do look funny

[JM720]

Kobe

http://i39.tinypic.com/e7mknk.jpg

[PurpleChuck]

You don't need to argue much for a better player, just let his game prove it for him.

[jstern]

LOL N*ggas acting like this is the 2000 presidential election.
Its got to be rigged :oldlol:

But a few do look funny

Yeah, plus isn't Kobe hated on ISH? I mean I've read many people say that, so I would imagine that Kobe would lose in a contest like this on ISH. Sort of not adding up for me, just like the 2004 elections where Kerry won the always accurate exit polls in 7 key states, yet some how Bush a very unpopular President who so many felt was incompetent won those states. Election stolen twice.

[Yung D-Will]

Kobe ask me before the Boston series and I would have said Lebron

[williams012]

#23 LeBron James

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Yeah, plus isn't Kobe hated on ISH? I mean I've read many people say that, so I would imagine that Kobe would lose in a contest like this on ISH. Sort of not adding up for me, just like the 2004 elections where Kerry won the always accurate exit polls in 7 key states, yet some how Bush a very unpopular President who so many felt was incompetent won those states. Election stolen twice.
If this was last week it would have been 100 Lebron 30 Kobe. That disastrous series and getting knocked out early really dropped his stock. On top of that hundreds of cavalier fans have went Mia after the upset

[plowking]

Kobe ask me before the Boston series and I would have said Lebron

No you wouldn't have, you're one of the biggest Kobe homers on the board.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

No you wouldn't have, you're one of the biggest Kobe homers on the board.
Yo girl cheat on you? Your parents getting a divorce? Bitter post after bitter post in this thread man i hope your ok

Or is it that Kobe game winner over Wade that got you hurt still?

[RazorBaLade]

Something fishy about this thread. I see a lot of one word post saying "Kobe", yet those people who just wrote "Kobe" don't respond, or get into a discussion with those who chose Lebron. Normally a back and forth discussion starts, but all I see is, "Kobe" and then gone. Almost like bots. Which leads me to believe that someone really wants Kobe to win this, and this person has a lot of account, and they're signing in and out. If that's the case, that person has to realize that there's more to life than the NBA, Kobe and Lebron.

hope u not talking bout me

[Phong]

Something fishy about this thread. I see a lot of one word post saying "Kobe", yet those people who just wrote "Kobe" don't respond, or get into a discussion with those who chose Lebron. Normally a back and forth discussion starts, but all I see is, "Kobe" and then gone. Almost like bots. Which leads me to believe that someone really wants Kobe to win this, and this person has a lot of account, and they're signing in and out. If that's the case, that person has to realize that there's more to life than the NBA, Kobe and Lebron.
Reply ONLY with Kobe or Lebron.

If you leave any type of comment, your vote will be spoiled and won't be counted.

First to 100 = /thread

My vote: Kobe

Count: 16-9 KobeThanks for your contribution moron.



Kobe.

[williams012]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

25> 31

Idiots

:wtf:

[YouGotServed]

Thanks for your contribution moron.



Kobe.

:roll: Reading comprehension fail.

[VishaltotheG]

lebron

[Bigsmoke]

Lebron is a better player.

people always talk about Lebron isnt a leader and shit, Kobe isnt even playing the best ball in his own squad in the playoffs so far.

[RazorBaLade]

Lebron is a better player.

people always talk about Lebron isnt a leader and shit, Kobe isnt even playing the best ball in his own squad in the playoffs so far.

are you serious lmao.. Gasol played better than kobe in 3 games vs okc, and maybe 1-2 games vs utah. 5/10 doesn't seem like anyone has an advantage.. Personally I thought Kobe played better than Gasol in 4/6 okc games, 3/4 utah games and a tie. So kobe is the mvp thus far in that situation.

Either way though I could care less, I just don't like when it is said casually like there's no debate. I would take gasol with a finals mvp as long as we get the ring so its whatever, just annoying to see all these haters that don't understand that we don't really care about individual achievements, who is MVP and all the stats in LA, we count championships.

[catch24]

LeBron James

[zizozain]

kobe

[plowking]

LeBron James

I swear to god, you're the only sane and decent Laker supporter on this board.

[john_d]

LeBron West is not a better player than kobe. although kobe sometimes go bat crazy and shoots too much...

i'll take kobe and his baggage over an unproven Lebron West

[moey-]

Kobe

[LBJ 23]

LeBRON

[Micku]

Funny how the majority of these Kobe votes come from posters with less than 150 posts who have never been seen prior to this thread...

You're right y'know. It seems there are a lot of alt accounts here or a bunch of new people who either just sign in or haven't really posted in a long time. I think this is legendary funny. The upset with the Celts really hit home.

[the_chosen_1]

kobe

[tommy3]

Every basketball fan that has watched more than 10 games of each team will answer that Lebron is better without any hesitation.
People that say Kobe is better are just Kobe/Laker fans or Lebron haters, mostly the last. And if Lebron lost in the playoffs, that doesn't mean that Kobe is better than him.

[Yung D-Will]

I swear to god, you're the only sane and decent Laker supporter on this board.


So to be sane an decent you have to believe Lebron is the best player?
:rolleyes:

[tommy3]

I forgot to mention that the overreaction on ISH is f*ckin funny :lol.
Plus, most of you guys are confusing better with greater.

[Yung D-Will]

No you wouldn't have, you're one of the biggest Kobe homers on the board.
Lmao have you even saw my post over the last months? Half way through the season I started to say that Lebron is the best player in the Nba. But ok.

Just because I don't agree with you claiming Wade is better then Kobe doesn't make me a homer btw.

[Papaya Petee]

LeBron James, honestly how the **** is this even an argument?

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron

[Papaya Petee]

This forum consists of band-wagoners and nothing else I swear. Just because LeBron's team lost to the Celtics he's no longer better then Kobe? He's a level ahead of Kobe at this point. At least he didn't let his team blow a 20 something point lead at home and lose by 39 in the elimination game.

You guys are ridicolous, wait till next year when LeBron starts putting up 30\7\7 again wins another MVP everyone will be back to LeBron>>Kobe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This forum consists of band-wagoners and nothing else I swear. Just because LeBron's team lost to the Celtics he's no longer better then Kobe? He's a level ahead of Kobe at this point. At least he didn't let his team blow a 20 something point lead at home and lose by 39 in the elimination game.

You guys are ridicolous, wait till next year when LeBron starts putting up 30\7\7 again wins another MVP everyone will be back to LeBron>>Kobe

What the hell has LeBron done to be better than Kobe? He doesn't have 4 rings, he doesn't have the overall skillset/offensive prowess Kobe does. Averaging a few more rebounds and assists makes him 'better'? Filling up a stat sheet >>> winning? Child please. If he were BETTER, as you suggest, then WHY has he lost back to back seasons being the #1 seed with HCA? Back to back MVPs yet no Finals appearance. Is Wilt Chamberlain better than Bill Russell? It's certainly debatable, and some people value winning (the MAIN objective of the game) than accumulating empty stats.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe Bryant to answer the OP's question. He's been the best player since 2006 (him and Wade were equals in 2009).

[Bballfinest]

Kobe bean Bryant

[tommy3]

What the hell has LeBron done to be better than Kobe? He doesn't have 4 rings, he doesn't have the overall skillset/offensive prowess Kobe does. Averaging a few more rebounds and assists makes him 'better'? Filling up a stat sheet >>> winning? Child please. If he were BETTER, as you suggest, then WHY has he lost back to back seasons being the #1 seed with HCA? Back to back MVPs yet no Finals appearance. Is Wilt Chamberlain better than Bill Russell? It's certainly debatable, and some people value winning (the MAIN objective of the game) than accumulating empty stats.
Better and greater.
FIND THE DIFFERENCE.
Don't google it.

[Papaya Petee]

What the hell has LeBron done to be better than Kobe? He doesn't have 4 rings, he doesn't have the overall skillset/offensive prowess Kobe does. Averaging a few more rebounds and assists makes him 'better'? Filling up a stat sheet >>> winning? Child please. If he were BETTER, as you suggest, then WHY has he lost back to back seasons being the #1 seed with HCA? Back to back MVPs yet no Finals appearance. Is Wilt Chamberlain better than Bill Russell? It's certainly debatable, and some people value winning (the MAIN objective of the game) than accumulating empty stats.

3 of Kobe's rings were as a 2ND option. Why is that so hard to comprehend? He won one as the leader, with having the most stacked team in the league at the time. Also there talking about RIGHT NOW, not ALL-TIME. If talking about All-Time of course Kobe>LeBron, but right now Kobe does nothing better then LeBron expect shoot free throws and fadeaways. What the hell does skillset/offensive process mean? LeBron averages 30 PPG on 50% while Kobe averages 27 PPG on 46%, LeBron is clearly the better offensive player. He averages more assists thanks to being a much better passer and having a better court vision then Kobe.

Last year he lost in the playoffs averaging 38\8\8 on 48% FG. How the **** can you blame him to losing against the Magic, when his teammates decided to go on vacation?

LeBron has to carry his team year in and year out. Last time Kobe had to do that he went 45-37 and 43-39 and lost in the first round both times to Phoenix. LeBron is only 25 ****ing years old, he has so much to learn as well and he's already this good. His time will come. Kobe didn't win his First Finals MVP until he was 31 and MVP until he was 30.

Yes, Wilt Chamberlain was a better basketball player then Bill Russell.

[The_Yearning]

Kobe

[tommy3]

And let me ask you guys one question, do you REALLY, I mean REALLY think that Bryant is better than Wade at this moment?

[White Mamba]

Kobe,I trust him more as a leader.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

3 of Kobe's rings were as a 2ND option. Why is that so hard to comprehend? He won one as the leader, with having the most stacked team in the league at the time. Also there talking about RIGHT NOW, not ALL-TIME. If talking about All-Time of course Kobe>LeBron, but right now Kobe does nothing better then LeBron expect shoot free throws and fadeaways. What the hell does skillset/offensive process mean? LeBron averages 30 PPG on 50% while Kobe averages 27 PPG on 46%, LeBron is clearly the better offensive player. He averages more assists thanks to being a much better passer and having a better court vision then Kobe.

So what if Kobe's 3 rings were "second option". That is irrelevant. Why do you ignore his production?:

00: 22ppg
01: 28ppg
02: 25ppg

Playoffs:
21ppg
29ppg
26ppg

I won't even get into his rebounds and assists (he was the better all around player than Shaq while Shaq was the more dominant scorer, rebounder and shotblocker). Stacked team? So what about Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, Magic's Lakers, Russell's Celtics?. All those TEAMS were STACKED and filled with talent/allstars (Russell wasn't even the leading scorer on his teams some years. Does that mean he's not the leader?) No. LeBron is NOT better than Kobe right now. You have no evidence other than inflated stats derived from a one man offense. The goal in basketball is to WIN. LeBron had a team put around him thanks to management (won 60+ games twice) and was knocked off by an under seed all while having HCA. When he signs with what ever team he does next, I wonder what the excuse will be then? Chicago: He's got so much pressure playing behind Jordan's shadow. New York: The media is too harsh. Miami: Wade hogs the ball. There will always be an EXCUSE with the guy. Wilt was NOT better than Russell. He had better stats, but that's about it. I'd take winning > scoring feats any day, as would coaches, most players and fans. Have people lost perspective? WINNING is all that matters and that's how you will be remembered when your career is done.

Did you watch the Orlando series last season? LeBron was the offense 90% of his teams possessions. That won't get anything done and sure as hell won't give your team any rhythm to "step up". He had a triple double in an elimination game a few nights ago, grabbing 19 rebounds and 12 assists. The stats look pretty but he's padding them. He takes away intangibles from his teammates and that makes them virtually useless. What is there to be done if LeBron is doing EVERYTHING for the team? He will win a title when he sacrifices his individual game and plays for a good coach who has an actual TEAM offense.

Kobe has a more polished and refined game. He can score on you offensively in nearly every way possible and do it consistently (45-46% for a guard is good. His eFG and TS%'s are GREAT). This is something James has yet to show, especially from the outside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFZZwM1NSWI

There's NO way LeBron is better than that. Nope.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Better and greater.
FIND THE DIFFERENCE.
Don't google it.

Kobe is both.

[indiefan24]

So what if Kobe's 3 rings were "second option". That is irrelevant. Why do you ignore his production?:

00: 22ppg
01: 28ppg
02: 25ppg

Playoffs:
21ppg
29ppg
26ppg

I won't even get into his rebounds and assists (he was the better all around player than Shaq while Shaq was the more dominant scorer, rebounder and shotblocker). Stacked team? So what about Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, Magic's Lakers, Russell's Celtics?. All those TEAMS were STACKED and filled with talent/allstars (Russell wasn't even the leading scorer on his teams some years. Does that mean he's not the leader?) No. LeBron is NOT better than Kobe right now. You have no evidence other than inflated stats derived from a one man offense. The goal in basketball is to WIN. LeBron had a team put around him thanks to management (won 60+ games twice) and was knocked off by an under seed all while having HCA. When he signs with what ever team he does next, I wonder what the excuse will be then? Chicago: He's got so much pressure playing behind Jordan's shadow. New York: The media is too harsh. Miami: Wade hogs the ball. There will always be an EXCUSE with the guy. Wilt was NOT better than Russell. He had better stats, but that's about it. I'd take winning > scoring feats any day, as would coaches, most players and fans. Have people lost perspective? WINNING is all that matters and that's how you will be remembered when your career is done.

Did you watch the Orlando series last season? LeBron was the offense 90% of his teams possessions. That won't get anything done and sure as hell won't give your team any rhythm to "step up". He had a triple double in an elimination game a few nights ago, grabbing 19 rebounds and 12 assists. The stats look pretty but he's padding them. He takes away intangibles from his teammates and that makes them virtually useless. What is there to be done if LeBron is doing EVERYTHING for the team? He will win a title when he sacrifices his individual game and plays for a good coach who has an actual TEAM offense.

Kobe has a more polished and refined game. He can score on you offensively in nearly every way possible and do it consistently (45-46% for a guard is good. His eFG and TS%'s are GREAT). This is something James has yet to show, especially from the outside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFZZwM1NSWI

There's NO way LeBron is better than that. Nope.

I thought you hated Kobe?

[branslowski]

Kobe

[branslowski]

Lebron's reg season stats blinded me....Now I can see..

That last game vs the Celtics where he had that empty triple-double proves this to me...The will, clutch, guts, champion, leadership=Kobe

Kobe= Better offensive game, better jumper, better post game, better on ball defense, more clutch

LeBron= Better rebounder, better assist.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron's reg season stats blinded me....Now I can see..

That last game vs the Celtics where he had that empty triple-double proves this to me...The will, clutch, guts, champion, leadership=Kobe

Kobe= Better offensive game, better jumper, better post game, better on ball defense, more clutch

LeBron= Better rebounder, better assist.

Someone who GETS it. I applaud you branslowski.

[OnceInADECADE]

Lebron James

[B-Easy8]

Kobe

[OnceInADECADE]

put lebron james with prime time shaq and he would win more titles than kobe real talks. and even right now put lebron on lakers squad n put kobe on the cavs n u would see who is better....... everyone would be getting touches............... this guy made mo an all star.......... the other guy cant make bynum n allstar wow

lakers squad w/o kobe 51wins>>>>>>>(100 million more) Cavs without lebron james 38 wins

[branslowski]

put lebron james with prime time shaq and he would win more titles than kobe real talks. and even right now put lebron on lakers squad n put kobe on the cavs n u would see who is better....... everyone would be getting touches............... this guy made mo an all star.......... the other guy cant make bynum n allstar wow

lakers squad w/o kobe 51wins>>>>>>>(100 million more) Cavs without lebron james 38 wins

:violin: Only retards create these "if" opinions...

And Bynum wasn't an All-Star because of his many injuries...

Also, post Shaq...Lakers career record without Kobe, is nearly the same as Cavs career record without LeBron...


If you want to continue the ignorance of an "If" argument, then argue with yourself...

"what if Kobe doesn't have a injury this year? He wins MVP"

blah, blah...When you have to use an "if" argument to prop your own argument up, you automatically FAIL.

[OnceInADECADE]

Lebron's reg season stats were amazing to me....Now I can see y he the better than kobe..

That last game 6 in the finals vs the Celtics where he and the lakers got rapped-...The will, clutch, ASS, *(PLAYED WITH PRIME SHAQ)champion, CHUCKER=Kobe

Kobe= Better offensive game, better jumper, better post game, better on ball defense, more clutch

LeBron= Better rebounder, better passer, better finisher, better blocker,more clutch(check 4 quarter stats) better 3 shot.

fixed

[OnceInADECADE]

lebron

fixed

[Yung D-Will]

fixed

If you think Lebron is more clutch then Kobe then you're a very special person

[OnceInADECADE]

If you think Lebron is more clutch then Kobe then you're a very special person

CHECK 4TH QUARTER STATS
CHECKING.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......TY U TRY AGAIN

[shafir]

LeBron

[Himan12]

Lebron has clearly been the better player for the last 2 years. Doesnt really matter what Kobe fans say. The stats are in Lebron's favor. Kobe has more rings simply because of the teams he has been on. A prime Shaq + Gasol, Ariza, Odom = 4 rings.

Tell me can Kobe drag the 2007 Cavs to finals? If you say yes :wtf:

Looking at Lebron's teams in the last couple of years, the "second man" was very inconsistent. Yes lebron struggled in the last game, but the fact of the matter was he was playing injured and he didnt have a consistent wingman to cover for him. So the cavs lived and died on lebron's performance.

Kobe had Gasol averaging 20.6 points. While Lebron had Jaimson averaging 15.3 points. Hmmm.....

Cavs being eliminated are why many are referring to Kobe being the better player which is really fickle.


Btw I am a raptors fan, so I am not really on either player's side. Just calling it how I see it.

[Bond007]

kobe

[Juges8932]

LeBron.

[Bandito]

fixed
You automatically failed at better 3 point shot.

[Cangri]

Kobe knows how to win when it matters.
Like in 2008 and 2004 right?

Right now Lebron is the better player, Kobe just has the better team.

[coin24]

Ill go with Kobe.

I dont get how you can say Bron has been clearly better the last 2 years? His play leads to the cavs losing in the post season its pretty simple. It was a great effort dragging a crappy team to the finals but what has he really done since??
When he stops thinking he is a PG and dribbling around like an idiot for 20 seconds every posession i might change my mind..

Im not a lakers or kobe stan i watch a lot of bball, seen most of cavs games this year actually so that isnt ruling my decisions on the topic..

Lebron definitely has the potential to be better, but thats all it still is. He is not a winner.:confusedshrug:

[32jazz]

It's like he's great, but has certain flaws that just doesn't make him top 10. The 45% shooting percentage, 40% in the finals.


KOBE. Although I am not one of the losers beating up on Lebron(I actually would like to see the guy win multiple rings even chase Russell) his failures will make people appreciate Kobe a bit more.


It's internet losers like you who sit around & dissect Kobe's game & dismiss him because he shots 45/46% & not 48% like Lebron:rolleyes:

Kobe's EFFECTIVE FG pct has been over/ around 50% for the past 5 seasons or so.

If a player shoots 4 of 10 from 3 pt range(40% for 12 pts) he is just as effective as a player that shoots 6 of 10 from 2 pt range(60% for 12 pts).

40% = 60%

KObe team asks him to shoot more 3 pointers.

[Derka]

Kobe.

I'll preface this with the following: Stat arguments are empty to me when guys go out of their way to pad them these days, so it comes down to who wants to win more. That's what truly separates the great players from everyone else.

The only advantage Kobe truly has over Lebron is the benefit of a better coach. Skillwise, they're both powerful as hell...anything beyond that is just splitting hairs. Truth is this: any of those Cavs guys could have been a great 2nd option if Mike Brown had any sort of clue how to use them. All 5 guys on that floor were essentially left to their own devices, which ended up being "I'm Mo Williams and I'm going to jack up a three without making a single pass with 16 seconds left on the shot clock" or "Oh no there's 6 seconds on the shot clock, give it to Lebron so he can bail us out here." Phil Jackson as your coach helps you avoid this.

It wasn't true earlier in his career with the Shaq teams, but I watch the Lakers enough nowadays to see that Kobe has a little bit of that Jordan/Magic/Bird championship swagger in him now: to him, there is literally nothing more important than winning a title. He doesn't care if his teammates or the fans hate him for being a ruthless motherf**ker, as Bill Simmons put it...winning it all is the only option and if you're not on board with that, get the hell off of my team. Lebron lacks this sort of drive to win and suffers for it. To me, that makes him an inferior pro ball player.

The Kobe Bryant of today wouldn't have let the Cavaliers quit in the last two minutes of Game 6 down 9. A leader with the correct instinct to win it bad enough doesn't let that happen at all. He goes at his hardest until the clock runs out and makes his team do the same.

[Yung D-Will]

Ok it doesn't matter stop arguing cause we're gonna make it 10X harder for the op to count up the post for his poll.

[Black Joker]

Lebron

[red1]

Definitely lebron, and the majority of these kobe fans will be changing their opinion next season. It is inevitable that lebron wins some rings eventually.

[gts]

kobe

[GMW]

Kobe

[LBJMVP]

Ill go with Kobe.

I dont get how you can say Bron has been clearly better the last 2 years? His play leads to the cavs losing in the post season its pretty simple. It was a great effort dragging a crappy team to the finals but what has he really done since??
When he stops thinking he is a PG and dribbling around like an idiot for 20 seconds every posession i might change my mind..

Im not a lakers or kobe stan i watch a lot of bball, seen most of cavs games this year actually so that isnt ruling my decisions on the topic..

Lebron definitely has the potential to be better, but thats all it still is. He is not a winner.:confusedshrug:


his play led them to losing in the playoffs?
you know he averaged like 35 8 and 8 against orlando last year? 28 8 and 8 against boston. you cant honestly say his play led to the cavs to losing. the lakers would have lost to oklahoma city without gasol this year...

[zizozain]

dang .. how many laker fans went for Lebron
never seen this in any other fanbase

[Doranku]

Kobe.

[Simple Jack]

:violin: Only retards create these "if" opinions...

And Bynum wasn't an All-Star because of his many injuries...

Also, post Shaq...Lakers career record without Kobe, is nearly the same as Cavs career record without LeBron...


If you want to continue the ignorance of an "If" argument, then argue with yourself...

"what if Kobe doesn't have a injury this year? He wins MVP"

blah, blah...When you have to use an "if" argument to prop your own argument up, you automatically FAIL.


Since LeBron has developed into a "superstar" his team has been 1-12 without him. Kobe's team plays nearly 60% basketball without him.

Take this year for example since that is what is in question here; Cavs went 1-5 without LeBron? Lakers ended the Jazz home winning streak, went on to have a 4-1 record? You think Cavaliers are beating a hot Jazz team without LeBron? They just nearly edged out a victory over an injured Spurs team that was playing horrible at the time.

It's simple; LeBron is asked to do a lot more for his team because that is what they need. He can't have bad games. If he has them, they lose.

Kobe has the luxury of playing along side great players and therefore can play bad, and still win.


***Look at his game vs Milwaukee this year. That was one of Kobe's worst games ever, and THE LAKERS STILL BLEW THEM OUT. If LeBron is having one of those games, Cavaliers have NO shot at winning.

Not only is LeBron better at more, he is more valuable to his team as well. It's no debatable at this point. Maybe 3 years ago it was, but these past 2 years it's clearly been LeBron.

Rings is something that you use when comparing careers; not when comparing who is currently better. It's illogical.

Scenario:

Both Player A and Player B face the same respective team.

Player A puts on an unbelievable performance for the series, but ends up losing in 7.

Player B plays sub-par according to his standards, and the team still wins in 5 games.

Why is player B better than player a? The correct answer is, he's NOT. He is just able to do A LOT less and still win due to whatever circumstances.

If LeBron put up the same performance against the Thunder that Kobe did, his team would have lost. Yet since Kobe's team, mainly Gasol, picked up the slack and won the series, he's better than LeBron? Get out of here.

[LA_Showtime]

Like in 2008 and 2004 right?

Right now Lebron is the better player, Kobe just has the better team.

At least he got to the Finals. I guess you could argue that LeBron got there too; he performed admirably.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

kobe

[hwliuLAP]

Black Mamba

[Amil23]

Why would you even make this a poll considering 80% of this board are Kobe fans

[ChrisConley]

KOBE. Although I am not one of the losers beating up on Lebron(I actually would like to see the guy win multiple rings even chase Russell) his failures will make people appreciate Kobe a bit more.


It's internet losers like you who sit around & dissect Kobe's game & dismiss him because he shots 45/46% & not 48% like Lebron:rolleyes:

Kobe's EFFECTIVE FG pct has been over/ around 50% for the past 5 seasons or so.

If a player shoots 4 of 10 from 3 pt range(40% for 12 pts) he is just as effective as a player that shoots 6 of 10 from 2 pt range(60% for 12 pts).

40% = 60%

KObe team asks him to shoot more 3 pointers.

Not putting a vote in either way, just correcting falsehoods.

LeBron took more 3s than Kobe this season and shot a better percentage (just barely).

[Amil23]

Lebron

[hawksdogsbraves]

Wow classic ISH overreaction in this thread.

Lebron and it isn't close.

[Braincells]

Lebron is a 6 foot 8 Iverson.

[LAClipsFan33]

Lebron

[Amil23]

Lebron is a 6 foot 8 Iverson.
Without good teammates Kobe and Iverson are a mirror image of each other:lol

[PowerGlove]

Lebron is a 6 foot 8 Iverson.
Which would make him the greatest player of all time.:oldlol:

I know you were trying to insult him, but if you made Iverson that tall he would destroy the NBA.

[branslowski]

Without good teammates Kobe and Iverson are a mirror image of each other:lol

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: God I hope this is sarcasm...

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Without good teammates Kobe and Iverson are a mirror image of each other:lol


wtf? lawdy I hope you are joking!

[RoseCity07]

lebron

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Without good teammates Kobe and Iverson are a mirror image of each other:lol

And LeBron is the next Dominique Wilkins/Clyde Drexler. All time greats, just not top 10 worthy.

[OnceInADECADE]

Which would make him the greatest player of all time.:oldlol:

I know you were trying to insult him, but if you made Iverson that tall he would destroy the NBA.

YEA A 6'8 VERSION OF ALLEN IVERSON WOULD BE THE BEST..................... THE GUY IS ALREADY A REALLY GOOD SCORER N U GIVE HIM LIKE 9 INCHES MORE(HEARD HE IS REALLY 5'10 OR 5'11) HE WOULD BE SICK

BAD POST WHO EVER TRIED TO INSULT LEBRON

[Kingwillball]

Lebron

[OnceInADECADE]

Since LeBron has developed into a "superstar" his team has been 1-12 without him. Kobe's team plays nearly 60% basketball without him.

Take this year for example since that is what is in question here; Cavs went 1-5 without LeBron? Lakers ended the Jazz home winning streak, went on to have a 4-1 record? You think Cavaliers are beating a hot Jazz team without LeBron? They just nearly edged out a victory over an injured Spurs team that was playing horrible at the time.

It's simple; LeBron is asked to do a lot more for his team because that is what they need. He can't have bad games. If he has them, they lose.

Kobe has the luxury of playing along side great players and therefore can play bad, and still win.


***Look at his game vs Milwaukee this year. That was one of Kobe's worst games ever, and THE LAKERS STILL BLEW THEM OUT. If LeBron is having one of those games, Cavaliers have NO shot at winning.

Not only is LeBron better at more, he is more valuable to his team as well. It's no debatable at this point. Maybe 3 years ago it was, but these past 2 years it's clearly been LeBron.

Rings is something that you use when comparing careers; not when comparing who is currently better. It's illogical.

Scenario:

Both Player A and Player B face the same respective team.

Player A puts on an unbelievable performance for the series, but ends up losing in 7.

Player B plays sub-par according to his standards, and the team still wins in 5 games.

Why is player B better than player a? The correct answer is, he's NOT. He is just able to do A LOT less and still win due to whatever circumstances.

If LeBron put up the same performance against the Thunder that Kobe did, his team would have lost. Yet since Kobe's team, mainly Gasol, picked up the slack and won the series, he's better than LeBron? Get out of here.


http://www.taosjewishcenter.org/rabbipage/uploadImages/image/amen.jpg

[NLZ]

Since LeBron has developed into a "superstar" his team has been 1-12 without him. Kobe's team plays nearly 60% basketball without him.

Take this year for example since that is what is in question here; Cavs went 1-5 without LeBron? Lakers ended the Jazz home winning streak, went on to have a 4-1 record? You think Cavaliers are beating a hot Jazz team without LeBron? They just nearly edged out a victory over an injured Spurs team that was playing horrible at the time.

It's simple; LeBron is asked to do a lot more for his team because that is what they need. He can't have bad games. If he has them, they lose.

Kobe has the luxury of playing along side great players and therefore can play bad, and still win.


***Look at his game vs Milwaukee this year. That was one of Kobe's worst games ever, and THE LAKERS STILL BLEW THEM OUT. If LeBron is having one of those games, Cavaliers have NO shot at winning.

Not only is LeBron better at more, he is more valuable to his team as well. It's no debatable at this point. Maybe 3 years ago it was, but these past 2 years it's clearly been LeBron.

Rings is something that you use when comparing careers; not when comparing who is currently better. It's illogical.

Scenario:

Both Player A and Player B face the same respective team.

Player A puts on an unbelievable performance for the series, but ends up losing in 7.

Player B plays sub-par according to his standards, and the team still wins in 5 games.

Why is player B better than player a? The correct answer is, he's NOT. He is just able to do A LOT less and still win due to whatever circumstances.

If LeBron put up the same performance against the Thunder that Kobe did, his team would have lost. Yet since Kobe's team, mainly Gasol, picked up the slack and won the series, he's better than LeBron? Get out of here. So you don't understand that Kobe can still be better than LeBron even though his team is too better? LeBron's team being worse doesn't make Kobe worse than LeBron you know.

[gxL]

Definitely lebron, and the majority of these kobe fans will be changing their opinion next season. It is inevitable that lebron wins some rings eventually.
like all we thought for allen iverson

[hawksdogsbraves]

Even most of these Kobe fans would have said Lebron before the playoffs started. The regular season sapped their confidence, but the Cav's loss reinvigorated them and gave them the mindless swagger they need to take up the Kobe banner again.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Even most of these Kobe fans would have said Lebron before the playoffs started. The regular season sapped their confidence, but the Cav's loss reinvigorated them and gave them the mindless swagger they need to take up the Kobe banner again.

Well that's because the playoffs separate the strong from the weak. In the process certain stars are exposed.

[jstern]

KOBE. Although I am not one of the losers beating up on Lebron(I actually would like to see the guy win multiple rings even chase Russell) his failures will make people appreciate Kobe a bit more.


It's internet losers like you who sit around & dissect Kobe's game & dismiss him because he shots 45/46% & not 48% like Lebron:rolleyes:

Kobe's EFFECTIVE FG pct has been over/ around 50% for the past 5 seasons or so.

If a player shoots 4 of 10 from 3 pt range(40% for 12 pts) he is just as effective as a player that shoots 6 of 10 from 2 pt range(60% for 12 pts).

40% = 60%

KObe team asks him to shoot more 3 pointers.
I couldn't care less about Kobe vs Lebron, I was responding to someone who see's Kobe as great, but at the same time something off about him. I mentioned Kobe's fg percentage as one of those things that to me keeps him from being top ten, and then adding the fact that it goes down to 40 percent during the finals. In other words, that's one of the things that throws me off about Kobe, since it's something that's not the case with top ten player. One more thing, Kobe doesn't shoot 40 percent from the 3 point line, he shoot 33 percent. Big exaggeration.

[red1]

Even most of these Kobe fans would have said Lebron before the playoffs started. The regular season sapped their confidence, but the Cav's loss reinvigorated them and gave them the mindless swagger they need to take up the Kobe banner again.

Well, their guy is still in the playoffs, in the hunt for his 5th ring. It's only natural that they are supportive, but I have supreme confidence that the majority of these guys don't REALLY think kobe is better than lebron.

Sure, lebron just had a sub-par series so they can use insubstantial claims such as "Lebron doesn't have Kobe's championship mentality, Kobe has more intangibles ." Sure you can say lebron has the ball in his hands more often, you can say he has more assists because the offense revolves around him.

But at the end of the day, lebron is simply more efficient, and just has more impact over the full course of the game.

[johndom91]

Lebron is better

Although his playoff performance was not even close. All season he played better.

LEBRON

[Logical]

Lebron>Wade>Kobe.

QFT

However, Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the United States, and most people in this country let their emotions do the thinking for them.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Kobe

[elementally morale]

I honestly don't know.

[kap]

A easy way to think about it is: who do you want on your team?

Kobe

[Shax]

Lebron. Kobe has better help. Lebron's passing with agile big men would be a great fit.

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Today , Lebron. Always, actually. Prime Kobe has been one of the greatest ever but present Lebron is even better than that. What is remarkable is that prime Kobe never won a ring cos he didnt have good teammates as he has now. big lol at people counting the threepeat as if somebody called Shaq never existed

its just funny how some fanatics bring in lame arguments like: "hes the better winner" , "hes the better leader.." this is all bullshit. Players are better or worse. but its not like "player A is plays better but player B is the better winner. so i pick player B" bullshit. crap. rubbish.

I live abroad and its common knowledge that Lebron is the best player in the world. Not only among fans but among experts and sports journalists. Theres a clear consensum on Lebron being the best. Only biased opinions or bandwagoners may say otherwise cos objectively its not even close, really.

[VishaltotheG]

A easy way to think about it is: who do you want on your team?

Kobe

I'd rather have LeBron

[PhxSunsFTW]

LeBron

[dyna]

Lebron

[sobleski]

lebron

[JustSaying]

Kobe

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Kobe Black Mamba

[LA_Showtime]

Right now you go with LeBron. He's hands down the best player in the league and he has yet to add a mid-range game, post game, basic fundamentals, etc. There's no guarantee he ever does that, but he's still got time and he's a proven worker.

Primes? Kobe. While Kobe was never the dominant force LeBron James is, he still won 4 championships. Yeah, you can say he had a lot of help, but the truth is that he has 4 championships and LeBron has zero. Call me when LeBron James wins one and we can talk.

[Revelation]

Lebron.

[Heilige]

Kobe

[gmoney9]

Lebron

[zizozain]

Right now you go with LeBron. He's hands down the best player in the league and he has yet to add a mid-range game, post game, basic fundamentals, etc. There's no guarantee he ever does that, but he's still got time and he's a proven worker.

Primes? Kobe. While Kobe was never the dominant force LeBron James is, he still won 4 championships. Yeah, you can say he had a lot of help, but the truth is that he has 4 championships and LeBron has zero. Call me when LeBron James wins one and we can talk.
Who is better .. includes physical and mental skills
Most coaches say sports are 90% mental and only 10% physical.

athletes are turning towards mental imagery to take their game to the next level :
- mental practice of specific performance skills,
- improving confidence and positive thinking
- problem solving, controlling arousal and anxiety
- performance review and analysis
- preparation for performance
- maintaining mental freshness during injury.


and im sure LBJ never heard of Mental Imagery

[TrueRob]

LeBron.

[miller-time]

Kobe

[imdaman99]

Kobe

[VishaltotheG]

LeBooty Jooties

[LBJMVP]

A easy way to think about it is: who do you want on your team?

Kobe
a 25 year old lebron or a 31 year old kobe?
ill take lebron anyday

[hawksdogsbraves]

Who is better .. includes physical and mental skills
Most coaches say sports are 90% mental and only 10% physical.

athletes are turning towards mental imagery to take their game to the next level :
- mental practice of specific performance skills,
- improving confidence and positive thinking
- problem solving, controlling arousal and anxiety
- performance review and analysis
- preparation for performance
- maintaining mental freshness during injury.


and im sure LBJ never heard of Mental Imagery

Most coaches say basketball is 90% mental?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Then why was Starbury in the NBA and not Bill Gates?

[sirkeelma]

2010 - Lebron

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Kobe

[KAJ=GOAT]

Kobe ask me before the Boston series and I would have said Lebron


Alot of people were fooled by the big numbers.

Now people are starting to realize that stats don't tell the whole story.

[KAJ=GOAT]

This forum consists of band-wagoners and nothing else I swear. Just because LeBron's team lost to the Celtics he's no longer better then Kobe? He's a level ahead of Kobe at this point. At least he didn't let his team blow a 20 something point lead at home and lose by 39 in the elimination game.

You guys are ridicolous, wait till next year when LeBron starts putting up 30\7\7 again wins another MVP everyone will be back to LeBron>>Kobe


lol, "at least".

At least he hasn't won a championship.

So there!

[sirkeelma]

Most coaches say basketball is 90% mental?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Then why was Starbury in the NBA and not Bill Gates?
Mental not Intellectual.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Most coaches say basketball is 90% mental?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Then why was Starbury in the NBA and not Bill Gates?
(Massive Facepalm)

[RazorBaLade]

Most coaches say basketball is 90% mental?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Then why was Starbury in the NBA and not Bill Gates?

wow you are stupid

[zORi]

Mental not Intellectual.

Beat me to it.

The fact of the matter is, he's right, you're mental game is even more important than your physical.

Nick Anderson was a great Orlando Magic player in the 90's. In the '95 Finals, he missed 4 straight freethrows (despite being a near 80% FT shooter), despite only needing one to clinch the game.From then on, Nick's FT% free fell to the low 40% for the rest of his career, all due to a lose of confidence.

A similar situation happened with Clyde Drexler when Jordan made a point to humiliate him when people started the Jordan/Drexler debate. Glide was never the same.

I say Kobe.

[Mentally_Pretty]

Most coaches say basketball is 90% mental?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Then why was Starbury in the NBA and not Bill Gates?
uhhh......um..i really dont know what to say about this comment

[gts]

uhhh......um..i really dont know what to say about this comment
don't make eye contact, just keep moving...

[Desperado]

:oldlol:

The Lebrick bandwagon is crying about his supporting cast again this year.


Did anyone else notice that every good player that has ever been brought in to play with Lebron has never found success. In fact they've gotten worse. Superstars are supposed to make players better. Mo Williams has gotten progressively worse since he's been in Cleveland, Jamison went from being a 20+ point a game scorer while having to share the ball with Gil and Butler. 9 points a game with Lebron. Shaq finished last season averaging over 18 a game, down to 12 with Lebron, Larry Huhges 22+ a game with washington, gets traded to the Cav's and his average dips to under 15. Rickey Davis (who averaged 20/5/5 the season before Lebron) was shipped out because they thought he's take touches away from Lebron. Carlos Boozer skipped town after one season of playing with him... Kapono became a wonderful shooter and doble figure scorer once he got out of Cleveland and was playing with Wade and Shaq.

Averaging 8 or even 10 assist a game doesn't always mean you are making guys better if so Marbury was the best point guard in the NBA for about a 7 year stretch. Lebron needs to dominate the ball to be successful. He's not a good catch and shoot ball player, Can't shoot off pin downs, can't play going east and west, can't score in the block. He needs to pound the ball on the wing or get in transition. When you dominate the ball with other guys that need the ball to be effective their production dips. Lebron has proven this for 7 straight years.

Stop blaming the management, coaching etc... A few weeks ago when the Cav's were rolling we didn't hear any of this. All we heard was how much better this roster is then its been in years past. No in a three weeks the roster is full of bums?

There's only been one constant for the Cavs during their failures... Lebron! Its time to start looking their as opposed to looking at everyone else.

[Desperado]

To answers the question Kobe.

Kobe is just a better basketball player than LeBron, even putting rings aside.

Yes I know Kobe had Shaq early in his career to win those 3 rings, but Kobe was a big part of that too. But anyway, put the RINGS ASIDE for just now and listen to this...

Kobe is just a BETTER basketball player than LeBron. Yes, LeBron puts up great numbers but it's NOT about the numbers people, and I think these playoffs have finally proved that. It's not about the numbers but it's about who's a better player, skill-wise and ability-wise. Let's see . . .

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Tough one, LeBron has the stats but stats = overrated but I'll still say its a TIE.
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Kobe
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Kobe (8 All 1st Defensive Teams, 10 OVERALL)
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe, just look all the categories Kobe beats LeBron in

You see? Kobe is just PLAIN better. He can take over games, he has that KILLER instinct that LeBron doesn't have. LeBron is STILL young, he can still do a lot of things in his career, I'm not saying it's over, but this year, you gotta admit, everyone was like MVP MVP MVP, best record, Cavs = champions and look what happened. When Kobe was 25, he already had the rings, he was already breaking records, he was droppin 30+ every night. He was SKILLED & ATHLETIC. He didn't put up the stats, but the way he played, he had everything. The shot, the defense, the clutch factor, the play making ability, he had it all and now he lost his athleticism but look, he still continues to dominate even when he's injured. It's looking real good right now for the Lakers, Kobe will probably get his 5th ring.

[branslowski]

To answers the question Kobe.

Kobe is just a better basketball player than LeBron, even putting rings aside.

Yes I know Kobe had Shaq early in his career to win those 3 rings, but Kobe was a big part of that too. But anyway, put the RINGS ASIDE for just now and listen to this...

Kobe is just a BETTER basketball player than LeBron. Yes, LeBron puts up great numbers but it's NOT about the numbers people, and I think these playoffs have finally proved that. It's not about the numbers but it's about who's a better player, skill-wise and ability-wise. Let's see . . .

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Tough one, LeBron has the stats but stats = overrated but I'll still say its a TIE.
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Kobe
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Kobe (8 All 1st Defensive Teams, 10 OVERALL)
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe, just look all the categories Kobe beats LeBron in

You see? Kobe is just PLAIN better. He can take over games, he has that KILLER instinct that LeBron doesn't have. LeBron is STILL young, he can still do a lot of things in his career, I'm not saying it's over, but this year, you gotta admit, everyone was like MVP MVP MVP, best record, Cavs = champions and look what happened. When Kobe was 25, he already had the rings, he was already breaking records, he was droppin 30+ every night. He was SKILLED & ATHLETIC. He didn't put up the stats, but the way he played, he had everything. The shot, the defense, the clutch factor, the play making ability, he had it all and now he lost his athleticism but look, he still continues to dominate even when he's injured. It's looking real good right now for the Lakers, Kobe will probably get his 5th ring.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[zizozain]

Most coaches say basketball is 90% mental?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Then why was Starbury in the NBA and not Bill Gates?
it's ok i know that you are young and you love LBJ
i didn't say basketball is 90% mental .. i said sports are 90% mental
guys above showed the difference between Mental and Intellectual
we can learn more
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/mentalimagery.html

[Disaprine]

simple math people.

Kobe - better in the playoffs

Lebron - better in the regular season

if kobe wins another ring, than they are both tied for the best in 2009-2010. just like last season.

[playtetris]

lebron


To answers the question Kobe.

Kobe is just a better basketball player than LeBron, even putting rings aside.

Yes I know Kobe had Shaq early in his career to win those 3 rings, but Kobe was a big part of that too. But anyway, put the RINGS ASIDE for just now and listen to this...

Kobe is just a BETTER basketball player than LeBron. Yes, LeBron puts up great numbers but it's NOT about the numbers people, and I think these playoffs have finally proved that. It's not about the numbers but it's about who's a better player, skill-wise and ability-wise. Let's see . . .

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Tough one, LeBron has the stats but stats = overrated but I'll still say its a TIE.
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Kobe
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Kobe (8 All 1st Defensive Teams, 10 OVERALL)
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe, just look all the categories Kobe beats LeBron in

You see? Kobe is just PLAIN better. He can take over games, he has that KILLER instinct that LeBron doesn't have. LeBron is STILL young, he can still do a lot of things in his career, I'm not saying it's over, but this year, you gotta admit, everyone was like MVP MVP MVP, best record, Cavs = champions and look what happened. When Kobe was 25, he already had the rings, he was already breaking records, he was droppin 30+ every night. He was SKILLED & ATHLETIC. He didn't put up the stats, but the way he played, he had everything. The shot, the defense, the clutch factor, the play making ability, he had it all and now he lost his athleticism but look, he still continues to dominate even when he's injured. It's looking real good right now for the Lakers, Kobe will probably get his 5th ring.

what a ridiculous way to compare players. use those standards to compare prime shaq and kobe:

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Kobe, although Shaq has a pretty good case
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Shaq
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Shaq
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe

does that mean kobe is a better player than prime shaq? :confusedshrug:

[RazorBaLade]

lebron



what a ridiculous way to compare players. use those standards to compare prime shaq and kobe:

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Kobe, although Shaq has a pretty good case
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Shaq
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Shaq
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe

does that mean kobe is a better player than prime shaq? :confusedshrug:

you cant use the same criteria to compare on the perimeter to people who play in the post

[Desperado]

Your comparing a centers skill set to a 2-guards of course its not the same thing.....there's a difference

Almost would be like comparing a nose tackle to a quarter back.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

kobe

[branslowski]

lebron



what a ridiculous way to compare players. use those standards to compare prime shaq and kobe:

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Kobe, although Shaq has a pretty good case
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Shaq
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Shaq
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe

does that mean kobe is a better player than prime shaq? :confusedshrug:

:confusedshrug: Comparing these attributes between a Low post player and a perimeter player is low-iq...

[playtetris]

you cant use the same criteria to compare on the perimeter to people who play in the post

ok, put it this way... kobe is, IMO, the most skilled perimeter player of all time. even more skilled than mike. his j is money all the way past three, his post skills are almost at jordan's level, his handles are better than mike's, great pump fake, elite defender when he wants to be etc etc... and yet, despite being less well-rounded, mike was the better player by a long way.

[Logical]

"Stop it.. just stop it." - Charles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMLWtDOd1Ok

You give him the Lakers' big 4 (Pao Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest) and LeBron wins at least 70 games, probably 75+ regular season.. playoffs just might be 16-0.

Since LeBron James has came into the league (including his rookie season), LeBron James has more points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, more blocks, and a higher FG % than kobe bryant.

Kobe has ALWAYS had better teammates, however.

When Kobe lost Shaq and had Lamar Odom, a very talented player, Kobe and the Lakers missed the playoffs, and Kobe was usually out in the 1st round. When Kobe had great players around him, such as Shaq in his prime and the referees, the Lakers won titles and Shaq won all of the MVP

[Allstar24]

I'm a Laker fan...of course I think Kobe's better. I thought comparison threads were not allowed here?

[playtetris]

:confusedshrug: Comparing these attributes between a Low post player and a perimeter player is low-iq...

i was doing it to illustrate the spurious logic of comparing player's skill sets to determine who's better.

[RazorBaLade]

ok, put it this way... kobe is, IMO, the most skilled perimeter player of all time. even more skilled than mike. his j is money all the way past three, his post skills are almost at jordan's level, his handles are better than mike's, great pump fake, elite defender when he wants to be etc etc... and yet, despite being less well-rounded, mike was the better player by a long way.

I never said he was better than mike I thought this was lebron vs kobe? I don't really think anyone can be better than mike a goat is only appointed once


i am a moron

i didnt know they had computers in padded rooms

[crisoner]

I am going to answer this question in this way....

Right now to build a team etc. of course LeBron.
To win a title this year and next ...Kobe.

I think we saw it this year that LeBron needs to grow still as far as his career goes. The kid IMO just could not handle all the pressure. Look at his body language the way he spoke in his interview. It almost seems like as soon as you challenge LeBron he folds. But that's just it it's growing pains for LeBron. As for Kobe..cat is proven already and sill still eat your heart in a second. LeBron needs to get that killer mentality man. He needs to be relentless....that why when I saw dude dancing on the sidelines etc. earlier this year I thought he was disrespecting the game. Besides the fact you would of never seen Jordan, Magic, or Bird ever do that that just showed where he was mentally right now. It's all fun and games to him...he ain't serious. Now you take a look at Kobe...dude has been damn serious for a while love him or hate him. I think make that I hope Bron gets there one day...because I will say this straight up...LeBron is probably the most physically gifted person to play basketball in the history of the NBA. More so then Jordan...more so the Wilt the Stilt etc.

[nnn123]

LeBron

[jlauber]

"Stop it.. just stop it." - Charles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMLWtDOd1Ok

You give him the Lakers' big 4 (Pao Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest) and LeBron wins at least 70 games, probably 75+ regular season.. playoffs just might be 16-0.

Since LeBron James has came into the league (including his rookie season), LeBron James has more points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, more blocks, and a higher FG % than kobe bryant.

Kobe has ALWAYS had better teammates, however.

When Kobe lost Shaq and had Lamar Odom, a very talented player, Kobe and the Lakers missed the playoffs, and Kobe was usually out in the 1st round. When Kobe had great players around him, such as Shaq in his prime and the referees, the Lakers won titles and Shaq won all of the MVP’s and carried Kobe (literally and figuratively).

What is impressive about LeBron is that he plays 1v5 (and sometimes all the way to the NBA finals). Kobe plays 1v1.

Don’t get me wrong, Kobe is probably the greatest contested fade-away jump shooter the league has ever seen — and the most experienced at it. He’s also a great player.

But LeBron will defend the opposing team’s best player, and is guarded by a double or triple team.
Kobe will defend the opposing teams weakest player, and is guarded 1v1 because his teammates are so great.
Or, if Kobe does decide to guard a great player (as he tried to do against Kevin Durant), he will get dunked on. Luckily for Kobe, he has one of the best 1 on 1 defenders in the league, Ron Artest.

In a typical Cav’s game, LeBron will find open teammates (since LeBron has 2-3 players defending him). His teammates will miss the shots — he would have had about 20 assists had they made the shots. In the 2nd half, LeBron’s “teammates” will give him the ball and ask him to win the game for them. Most of the time he can, but sometimes he cannot. (1v5 is very difficult in the NBA)

In a typical Laker game, Pao Gasol (who was given to the Lakers by the great Jerry West) will go 7-10 FG and be the most efficient Laker. But Pao will be overshadowed by Kobe, who will go 8-20 and go 12-13 from the FT line. Kobe will get the praise because his team won the game and he scored a lot of points.
You will also see this sequence happen often:
Kobe misses, Gasol with the offensive board/putback.
Kobe misses, Odom with the offensive board/putback.
Kobe misses, Bynum with the offensive board/putback.
Kobe makes it, “oh he must be the best ever! and look at him make a mean face.. that’s just like michael jordan and the tongue!”

It’s okay for Kobe to shoot and miss a lot because his team will make up for it. We see this in his best clutch moment just a few weeks ago in the close-out game 6 vs the Thunder. Kobe misses game winner, Pao Gasol puts it in, and the Lakers keep rollin'.

Meanwhile, LeBron can have a triple double, and get the blame because he had no support. LeBron’s best teammate over the years was Anderson Varejao. Anderson’s best talent is the flop, and try to draw a foul. Enough said about Andy. He also has had big Z, a guy with 2 prosthetic legs. (Nice guy though, big Z)

More recently, the Cav’s acquired Mo Williams, who will typically have a good regular season with inflated numbers, and go 2-18 in playoff games. This year LeBron has retired hall-of-famer (and senior citizen) shaquille o’neal on his team.

The only good player LeBron has ever been able to play with (and for a very short time) is soon-to-be 34 year-old Antawn Jamison, who was once a great player, but his skills have quickly diminished. Can't blame LeBron for Antawn's FT%.

The reason Kobe is hyped up is because of money. Being in LA, he will sell many jerseys, and confused people will praise him. The NBA needs to milk as much money out of him while they still can. He has shot the ball so much, that he now has arthritis in his finger.

Please understand that if you including team achievements into one’s personal achievements, then you also need to look at the team. Robert Horry has won 7 rings, but he has also been on great teams. His teams included great players such as Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Tim Duncan –all of whom should go down as better all-time players than Kobe Bryant.

LeBron James is the player who is truly unstoppable. If you watch this guy drive to the basket the way he does, or in the open court, he is the best at driving to the basket the league has ever seen. His efficiency is also off the charts. LeBron is the king, and as soon as he has a teammate half as good as he is, he will win a championship.

LeBron James has outperformed Kobe Bryant in these playoffs.

LeBron has averaged: a higher FG%, a higher 3PT%, more points, twice as many rebounds, 4x as many blocks, more assists, less fouls, and more steals, than Kobe in these 2010 playoffs. Kobe has a better team, though. And after the Lakers' stacked team wins this year's championship, the confused and biased people will once again try to compare Kobe to a player ten levels above him: Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan won 5 MVPs (should have been 7-8, but the voters voted for players who they felt deserved a “lifetime achievement award”) and is the greatest player of all time.

LeBron, 25 years old, has just won 2 MVPs, well deserved.

Kobe, 31, has won only 1. The problem is, when Kobe won, Kevin Garnett should have been given the award because Boston had just went from the worst record in the league to the #1 record in the NBA. And if not KG, then LeBron, because LeBron averaged: more points, twice as many blocks, more rebounds, more assists, and a higher FG% than Kobe (they tied on steals at 1.8 each).

If you ask the voters, Kobe’s only MVP award was clearly given as a “lifetime achievement award”.

If you ask people who know whats up, such as Magic Johnson (the greatest Laker of all-time), Jerry West, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley (he does say some stupid things from time to time, but he also says some very intelligent things as well), and myself, they will tell you that LeBron James is the best player, and has been the best player, by far.

LeBron James = Best player on the planet
Kobe Bryant = Best teammates on the planet

I am a Kobe fan...and I consider him the most "clutch" player since Jordan. But hard to argue with anything above.

James, barring injury, probably has 10 quality seasons left, maybe more. The odds are that at some point, he will be surrounded with enough firepower to win at least a couple of rings.

And I also agree...give Lebron Kobe's teammates this year, and unless there would be some kind of chemistry issue (you never know for sure), I think he takes them to a title (of course, Kobe might too.) Same with Pierce in Boston. Trade Pierce straight across for Lebron (and Boston would do it in heartbeat)...and Lebron's Celtics blow out Pierce's Cavs.

I am getting so tired of these "anti-Lebron" posters. My god, the man has played BRILLIANTLY in his career. If he continues to stay healthy, and plays at about the level that he has so far in his career, he will most certainly go down as a top-10 player all-time. Should he be forunate enough to have quality teammates down the road, and maybe win a few rings...who knows?

Let's see where his career is at at age 30...then maybe we can begin to gauge where he will finish.

[crisoner]

The better teams argument is bullsH8t straight up.

Come on...Just before the Celtic series LeBron's teammates were great and people would argue the Cavs had an over all better team then the Lakers etc.
Now the Cavs are out...all of a sudden LeBron's teammates are to blame they suck and now Kobe has the best team around etc? The same BS happen last year when Bron all of a sudden got knocked out of the playoffs.
Then people want to pick up switch Kobe out with such and such and hold that as a valid argument? Like it can and will ever be proven as fact? WTF?
You know...put Howard in there instead of Kobe...put a prime Iverson in there instead of Kobe..a prime Vince Carter etc.etc. People need to KNOW that this type of argument will always be an opinion and holes no real weight. Because if that was true...then maybe the 04 Lakers should of just been giving the title be cause n way was that team losing that year. Or maybe the 05 Pistons should of got it because no way they was losing to the Spurs. Or hey why didn't we just hand the title to LeBron when they got Jamison for nothing they already had the best record and team now they added another All Star to their roster????
Or let's take that a step further...any Dream Team ever esembled with the USA best pro ballers would NEVER lose to a foreign team. Like I said these type of arguments are BS and mean nothing when it comes down to it.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Kobe

[Moan]

kobe

[jlauber]

The better teams argument is bullsH8t straight up.

Come on...Just before the Celtic series LeBron's teammates were great and people would argue the Cavs had an over all better team then the Lakers etc.
Now the Cavs are out...all of a sudden LeBron's teammates are to blame they suck and now Kobe has the best team around etc? The same BS happen last year when Bron all of a sudden got knocked out of the playoffs.
Then people want to pick up switch Kobe out with such and such and hold that as a valid argument? Like it can and will ever be proven as fact? WTF?
You know...put Howard in there instead of Kobe...put a prime Iverson in there instead of Kobe..a prime Vince Carter etc.etc. People need to KNOW that this type of argument will always be an opinion and holes no real weight. Because if that was true...then maybe the 04 Lakers should of just been giving the title be cause n way was that team losing that year. Or maybe the 05 Pistons should of got it because no way they was losing to the Spurs. Or hey why didn't we just hand the title to LeBron when they got Jamison for nothing they already had the best record and team now they added another All Star to their roster???? Like I said these type of arguments are BS and mean nothing when it comes down to it.

I corrected my previous post...I meant Lebron, not Howard.

Look, IMHO, Kobe was the best player in the league from about 2004 to 2008. The last couple of years, I just have to go with Lebron. I would still take Kobe in the last two minutes, but that would be about it.

And really, that is not a knock on Kobe. He is still the second best player in the game. I just feel that Lebron has overtaken him. And from here on out, and barring injury, I think Lebron blows everyone else away the next few years.

[Simple Jack]

To answers the question Kobe.

Kobe is just a better basketball player than LeBron, even putting rings aside.

Yes I know Kobe had Shaq early in his career to win those 3 rings, but Kobe was a big part of that too. But anyway, put the RINGS ASIDE for just now and listen to this...

Kobe is just a BETTER basketball player than LeBron. Yes, LeBron puts up great numbers but it's NOT about the numbers people, and I think these playoffs have finally proved that. It's not about the numbers but it's about who's a better player, skill-wise and ability-wise. Let's see . . .

Shooting: Kobe
Passing: Tough one, LeBron has the stats but stats = overrated but I'll still say its a TIE.
Clutch: Kobe
Post-up: Kobe
Footwork: Kobe
Defense: Kobe (8 All 1st Defensive Teams, 10 OVERALL)
Off Hand: Kobe
Fundamentals: Kobe
Skill: Kobe, just look all the categories Kobe beats LeBron in

You see? Kobe is just PLAIN better. He can take over games, he has that KILLER instinct that LeBron doesn't have. LeBron is STILL young, he can still do a lot of things in his career, I'm not saying it's over, but this year, you gotta admit, everyone was like MVP MVP MVP, best record, Cavs = champions and look what happened. When Kobe was 25, he already had the rings, he was already breaking records, he was droppin 30+ every night. He was SKILLED & ATHLETIC. He didn't put up the stats, but the way he played, he had everything. The shot, the defense, the clutch factor, the play making ability, he had it all and now he lost his athleticism but look, he still continues to dominate even when he's injured. It's looking real good right now for the Lakers, Kobe will probably get his 5th ring.


This all results in impact on the court. What you are talking about is "skills" and it's not the same thing as a players impact on the court.

You can argue Carmello is better than LeBron at plenty of the things you listed, it doesnt mean he's a better player.

I don't think anyone would argue that Kobe has a more refined skill-set, at least offensively, than LeBron. LeBron's "lack" of skill as compared to Kobe still allows him to have 30 ppg on 50% shooting which is more efficient than Kobe any way you look at it.

[jstern]

ok, put it this way... kobe is, IMO, the most skilled perimeter player of all time. even more skilled than mike. his j is money all the way past three, his post skills are almost at jordan's level, his handles are better than mike's, great pump fake, elite defender when he wants to be etc etc... and yet, despite being less well-rounded, mike was the better player by a long way.
Phil while comparing Jordan to Kobe said that Jordan had better handles, because of the size of his hand, was better off the dribble. And Kobe is more turn over prone, so what Phil says makes sense.

In my opinion, since I still watch a lot of Jordan since I play basketball and like to imitate, there are just so many things that Jordan can do because of his physical abilities that Kobe can't do. And while Kobe has a better 3 point shooting percentage Michael was just an unstoppable mid range shooter. But what makes Michael, it's hard for me to explain and it all has to do with IQ that a person is born with. And hard to notice for the average person, but shots that would turn out to be forced crazy shots for Kobe, Michael just had this creative ability through footwork to create an open shot in clogged situations.

[jlauber]

If both Lebron and Kobe retired after this season...no question that Kobe has had the greater career. And, if Lebron does not ever win a ring, then, no, he will not be ranked above Kobe. But if we are talking about who is better TODAY, then I just HAVE to say Lebron.

Still, Kobe might very well end up with a couple of more rings. IMHO, IF he does, then he is probably top-5 all-time...and Lebron will probably never catch him.

[Richard 23]

Look at my avatar. The King.

[Logical]

I never said he was better than mike I thought this was lebron vs kobe? I don't really think anyone can be better than mike a goat is only appointed once



i didnt know they had computers in padded rooms

I am not a moron, RazorBaLade. I am a doctor, and a proud scientist. I also played high school basketball several years ago, and I still love the game.

I argue with logic, and you argue with personal attacks and emotions.

[crisoner]

I corrected my previous post...I meant Lebron, not Howard.

Look, IMHO, Kobe was the best player in the league from about 2004 to 2008. The last couple of years, I just have to go with Lebron. I would still take Kobe in the last two minutes, but that would be about it.

And really, that is not a knock on Kobe. He is still the second best player in the game. I just feel that Lebron has overtaken him. And from here on out, and barring injury, I think Lebron blows everyone else away the next few years.


You know what I would of agreed with you right before this Celtics Cavs series but I saw something in LeBron I really didn't like in term of his game....he folded right in front of us for everyone to see. I do agree he has the best physical game out there but mentally.....I don't know anymore.
I would always say it is for sure he will win a championship in the future etc. but I don't know now. There is just no sense of urgency right now with him and I thought that was going to be the case this season. He needed to win a title for Cleveland before he left etc. and that didn't happen. And dude folded under all that pressure.

So tell me who do you want leading your team RIGHT NOW for a title. The young strong gifted flashy forward who need to mature...
Or the older savy vet who still has skills...is banged up but has that killers mentality. I'm riding with the Mamba.

[RazorBaLade]

I am not a moron, RazorBaLade. I am a doctor, and a proud scientist. I also played high school basketball several years ago, and I still love the game.

I argue with logic, and you argue with personal attacks and emotions.

no self respecting doctor has enough time to spend 30 minutes on an essay to post on a basketball site. Btw you don't type like someone who went through school for so long to become a doctor. You just shit on the English language in the same sentence you tried to say that you were highly intelligent. Nice job bro

[RazorBaLade]

Look at my avatar. The King.

king with no hardware? Like calling yourself the best general without winning a battle

[Richard 23]

king with no hardware? Like calling yourself the best general without winning a battle

He still has time and I am not giving up on him. If LeBron had a prime Shaq he would have the rings also, but that is not to down play this season. It was super disappointing though I didn't mind it. I am a die hard Celtics fan so it worked out for me.

[Logical]

no self respecting doctor has enough time to spend 30 minutes on an essay to post on a basketball site. Btw you don't type like someone who went through school for so long to become a doctor. You just shit on the English language in the same sentence you tried to say that you were highly intelligent. Nice job bro

Yet another personal attack.. I make a very logical post about who the best player is, and you make two personal attacks against me.

[RazorBaLade]

Yet another personal attack.. I make a very logical post about who the best player is, and you make two personal attacks against me.

K gimme a few min to finish eating n ill respond to your essay

[Richard 23]

Yet another personal attack.. I make a very logical post about who the best player is, and you make two personal attacks against me.

Laker fans and their ad hominems ignore them. Unless you think Kobe is the greatest thing since sliced bread they will attack you at all sides. They still don't understand that they have had multiple better players in their franchise. Magic, Shaq, and Kareem >.>.

[RazorBaLade]

He still has time and I am not giving up on him. If LeBron had a prime Shaq he would have the rings also, but that is not to down play this season. It was super disappointing though I didn't mind it. I am a die hard Celtics fan so it worked out for me.

no i dont think he would. shaq and lebron would never work. So you're a lebron and celtic fan?

[Richard 23]

no i dont think he would. shaq and lebron would never work. So you're a lebron and celtic fan?

I like LeBron simple as that. I didn't have a shred of sympathy when he went against Boston.

Boston is 15 skyscrapers ahead for me than LeBron, but I am a pretty unbiased guy.

I will never cheer against my team so just to get that straight.