Top 10 players at each position going into 2010-11 NBA season

[Deadpool]

Name your top 10's in order and discuss.

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. A. Bynum
6. C. Kaman
7. Nene
8. B. Lopez
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. D. Nowitzki
3. A. Stoudemire
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. M. Ellis
7. R. Allen
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. S. Nash
2. D. Williams
3. C. Paul
4. D. Rose
5. R. Rondo
6. T. Evans
7. T. Parker
8. J. Nelson
9. B. Westbrook
10. C. Billups

[Papaya Petee]

PG
1.) Deron Williams
2.) Chris Paul
3.) Steve Nash
4.) Derrick Rose
5.) Rajon Rondo
6.) Chauncey Billups
7.) Russell Westbrook
8.) Tony Parker
9.) Jameer Nelson
10.) Mo Williams

SG
1.) Dwyane Wade
2.) Kobe Bryant
3.) Brandon Roy
4.) Tyreke Evans
5.) Joe Johnson
6.) Manu Ginobili
7.) Ray Allen
8.) Vince Carter
9.) Jason Richardson
10.) Monta Ellis

SF
1.) LeBron James
2.) Carmelo Anthony
3.) Kevin Durant
4.) Paul Pierce
5.) Danny Granger
6.) Gerald Wallace
7.) Stephen Jackson
8.) Rashard Lewis
9.) Andre Iguodala
10.) Michael Beasley

PF
1.) Dirk Nowitzki
2.) Chris Bosh
3.) Amare Stoudamire
4.) Pau Gasol
5.) Carlos Boozer
6.) Tim Duncan
7.) Kevin Garnett
8.) Zach Randolph
9.) LaMarcus Aldridge
10.) Antawn Jamison

C
1.) Dwight Howard
2.) Yao Ming
3.) Andrew Bogut
4.) Da White Howard
5.) Chris Kaman
6.) Andrew Bynum
7.) Al Hortford
8.) Brook Lopez
9.) Marc Gasol
10.) Kendrick Perkins

[Yung D-Will]

Still surprises me to see that people put Rose above Rondo

[Deadpool]

Still surprises me to see that people put Rose above Rondo
I respect Rondo's ability and they are interchangeable but seeing how Rose has no other star player on his team I'd give him benefit of the doubt.

[Nezty]

Still surprises me to see that people put Rose above Rondo


Same here,I don't really see how.

[SilkyJohnson]

What's wrong with Wade over Kobe?
Nothing. But there sure is something wrong with Durant over Anthony.

[jasonresno]

No love for Joakim?

[Doko]

No love for Joakim?

no

[Allstar24]

Name your top 10's in order and discuss.

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. A. Bynum
6. C. Kaman
7. Nene
8. B. Lopez
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. D. Nowitzki
3. A. Stoudemire
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. M. Ellis
7. R. Allen
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. S. Nash
2. D. Williams
3. C. Paul
4. D. Rose
5. R. Rondo
6. T. Evans
7. T. Parker
8. J. Nelson
9. B. Westbrook
10. C. Billups
Agree with everything except Deron is clearly the #1 PG in the league and Dirk and Pau are interchangeable.

[ImaBigDawg]

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. C. Kaman
6. B. Lopez
7. A. Horford
8. A. Bynum
9. Nene
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. A. Stoudemire
3. D. Nowitzki
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. R. Gay

Shooting Guards:
1. D.Wade
2. K. Bryant
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. O.J. Mayo
7. Monta Ellis
8. Ray Allen
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. D. Williams
2. S. Nash
3. C. Paul
4. R. Rondo
5. R. Westbrook
6. T. Evans
7. D. Rose
8. J. Nelson
9. T. Parker
10. C. Billups

[Grinder]

Point Guard

Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo
Chauncey Billups
Derrick Rose
Tyreke Evans
Russell Westbrook
Jameer Nelson
Tony ParkerShooting Guard

Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Manu Ginobili
Brandon Roy
Joe Johnson
Vince Carter
Jason Richardson
Ray Allen
Stephen Jackson
Monta EllisSmall Forward

Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Danny Granger
Gerald Wallace
Paul Pierce
Rashard Lewis
Trevor Ariza
Ron Artest
John SalmonsPower Forward

Dirk Nowitzki
Pau Gasol
Amar'e Stoudemire
Chris Bosh
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
David Lee
Zach Randolph
Carlos Boozer
Josh SmithCenter

Dwight Howard
Andrew Bogut
Yao Ming
Brook Lopez
Chris Kaman
Al Horford
Al Jefferson
Kendrick Perkins
Marc Gasol
Nene

[kurple]

PG
1.) Deron Williams
2.) Chris Paul
3.) Steve Nash
4.) Derrick Rose
5.) Rajon Rondo
6.) Chauncey Billups
7.) Russell Westbrook
8.) Tony Parker
9.) Jameer Nelson
10.) Mo Williams

SG
1.) Dwyane Wade
2.) Kobe Bryant
3.) Brandon Roy
4.) Tyreke Evans
5.) Joe Johnson
6.) Manu Ginobili
7.) Ray Allen
8.) Vince Carter
9.) Jason Richardson
10.) Monta Ellis

SF
1.) LeBron James
2.) Carmelo Anthony
3.) Kevin Durant
4.) Paul Pierce
5.) Danny Granger
6.) Gerald Wallace
7.) Stephen Jackson
8.) Rashard Lewis
9.) Andre Iguodala
10.) Michael Beasley

PF
1.) Dirk Nowitzki
2.) Chris Bosh
3.) Amare Stoudamire
4.) Pau Gasol
5.) Carlos Boozer
6.) Tim Duncan
7.) Kevin Garnett
8.) Zach Randolph
9.) LaMarcus Aldridge
10.) Antawn Jamison

C
1.) Dwight Howard
2.) Yao Ming
3.) Andrew Bogut
4.) Da White Howard
5.) Chris Kaman
6.) Andrew Bynum
7.) Al Hortford
8.) Brook Lopez
9.) Marc Gasol
10.) Kendrick Perkins
I agree with this list.

[spursdynasty420]

if anyone puts joe johnson over ginobili you deserve to get your account deleted for not watching the playoffs

[Deadpool]

if anyone puts joe johnson over ginobili you deserve to get your account deleted for not watching the playoffs
lol yeah that's funny

[Papaya Petee]

if anyone puts joe johnson over ginobili you deserve to get your account deleted for not watching the playoffs

Are you trying to tell me Manu Ginobili is a better all-around player then Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili was not doubled everytime he touched the ball and didn't have Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat waiting for him everytime he got anywhere close to the rim. Joe is still a better all-around player, and just because Manu had one series better then Joe doesn't prove shit.

[Bigsmoke]

Name your top 10's in order and discuss.

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. A. Bynum
6. C. Kaman
7. Nene
8. B. Lopez
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol



not saying that Noah is better but i'm glad he playing for my team than over Marc Gasol, Nene, and Al Horford.

Brook Lopez is arguably the most talented center in the NBA now... at 21. You're telling me he isnt going to be better than Nene and Chris Kaman next year? And he's already better than Al Jefferson

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. C. Kaman
6. B. Lopez
7. A. Horford
8. A. Bynum
9. Nene
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. A. Stoudemire
3. D. Nowitzki
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. R. Gay

Shooting Guards:
1. D.Wade
2. K. Bryant
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. O.J. Mayo
7. Monta Ellis
8. Ray Allen
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. D. Williams
2. S. Nash
3. C. Paul
4. R. Rondo
5. R. Westbrook
6. T. Evans
7. D. Rose
8. J. Nelson
9. T. Parker
10. C. Billups

don't care enough to do them all but OJ Mayo is having a breakout season. It will be him and Brandon Roy fighting for the 3rd SG spot book it.

[Bigsmoke]

don't care enough to do them all but OJ Mayo is having a breakout season. It will be him and Brandon Roy fighting for the 3rd SG spot book it.


OJ Mayo is a beast but why he didnt improve much from his rookie season >_>

[airchibundo507]

I'd put Melo over Durant right now.

[airchibundo507]

OJ Mayo is a beast but why he didnt improve much from his rookie season >_>

His team is loaded with scorers. He doesn't see the ball as much.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

OJ Mayo is a beast but why he didnt improve much from his rookie season >_>

Coach Lionel Hollins, he is trying to Make Mike Conley into the next coming of Steve Nash. It is ridiculous, that's why depending on the Draft pick we get and if we Resign Rudy Gay depends on the breakout of OJ.

[Go Getter]

My Bulls seriously getting disrespected.

Noah leads the league in rebounding until his injury and posterized a good percentage on the leagues with his drives to the hoop...he's one of the best passers and ball handlers at the center position, and he plays hard every night....he's top 10 for sure.

D. Rose not a better PG than Westbrook, Evans, Billups, and Nash?

Don't be silly....Westbrook and Evans aren't even in the discussion and Billups and Nash might run a better offense than Rose at this point but those two fossils have no chance at guarding Rose in a game and he puts up similar numbers considering his system and personel...so I'll rank Rose higher than them...my list is forthcoming.

[CryinInTheCar]

Brook Lopez is seriously underrated because the nets had a horrible season. He's only 21 and averaged 19 and 9 while being triple teamed the whole season. He's should be no lower than #3 on anyones list.

[ashbelly]

Are you trying to tell me Manu Ginobili is a better all-around player then Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili was not doubled everytime he touched the ball and didn't have Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat waiting for him everytime he got anywhere close to the rim. Joe is still a better all-around player, and just because Manu had one series better then Joe doesn't prove shit.


Fail.. Brendan Haywood and Eric dampier don't count ??? How about j.johnson in the Bucks series ??? Manu Ginobli is light years ahead of Joe johnson, and he's been doing all this coming from the Bench and has rings to show for it.

[Papaya Petee]

Fail.. Brendan Haywood and Eric dampier don't count ??? How about j.johnson in the Bucks series ??? Manu Ginobli is light years ahead of Joe johnson, and he's been doing all this coming from the Bench and has rings to show for it.
Are you really frigging comparing Brendan Haywood and Eric Dampier to Dwight Howard on single coverage rather then constant double teams? How the hell is he light years ahead of Joe? Joe actually has to lead his teams and was a #1 option, Manu got the luxury to play with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Richard Jefferson.

Also he has rings to show for it, but he was never even close to being the #1 option on the team during the championship years. Tim Duncan was the #1 man the whole time, and the one time he didn't do the best in the finals it wasn't Ginobili, it was Tony Parker.

Just like LeBron, now Joe Johnson is bashed for having a bad series. Ginobili got swept too so he should be getting shit as well.

[Go Getter]

Just like LeBron, now Joe Johnson is bashed for having a bad series. Ginobili got swept too so he should be getting shit as well.


:applause:

And played extra bad in the closing game as well [but no one mentions it]

[Go Getter]

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Bogut
3. Lopez
4. Yao
5. A. Bynum
6. Nene
7. Kaman
8. Noah
9. M. Gasol
10. Jefferson

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. C. Bosh
3. A. Stoudemire
4. T. Duncan
5. Garnett
6. D. Nowitzki
7. C. Boozer
8. Z. Randolph
9. Aldridge
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. D. Wade
2. K. Bryant
3. B. Roy
4. J. Johnson
5. M. Ginobili
6. R. Allen
7. M. Ellis
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. CP3
2. D. Williams
3. Rondo
4. D. Rose
5. Nash
6. Westbrook
7. TP
8. J. Nelson
9. Billups
10. Evans[/QUOTE]

[qrich]

Centers:

Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez
Yao Ming
Andrew Bogut
Marc Gasol
Nene Hilario
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bynum
Marc Gasol
Mehmet Okur


Power Forwards
Dirk Nowitzki
Amare Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Zach Randolph
Carlos Boozer
Kevin Garnett
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin


Small Forwards:

LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Kevin Durant
Danny Granger
Gerald Wallace
Andre Igoudala
Paul Pierce
Josh Smith
Caron Butler
Michael Beasley


Shooting Guards

Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Brandon Roy
Emmanuel Ginobili
Joe Johnson
Jason Richardson
Vince Carter
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Kevin Martin


Point Guards

Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Steve Nash
Rajon Rondo
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups
Russell Westbrook
Baron Davis
Brandon Jennings

[plowking]

I find it funny how its only Laker/Kobe fans rating Kobe as the better shooting guard. Everyone from a neutral standpoint has Wade above.

[pete's montreux]

Centers:
Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez
Yao Ming
Andrew Bogut
Marc Gasol
Nene Hilario
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bynum
Marc Gasol
Mehmet Okur
Power Forwards
Dirk Nowitzki
Amare Stoudemire
Tim Duncan
Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Zach Randolph
Carlos Boozer
Kevin Garnett
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Small Forwards:
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Kevin Durant
Danny Granger
Gerald Wallace
Andre Igoudala
Paul Pierce
Josh Smith
Caron Butler
Michael Beasley
Shooting Guards
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Brandon Roy
Emmanuel Ginobili
Joe Johnson
Jason Richardson
Vince Carter
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Kevin Martin
Point Guards
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Steve Nash
Rajon Rondo
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups
Russell Westbrook
Baron Davis
Brandon Jennings

This is probably a stupid question and I'm assuming I'm wasting my time since you're a Clippers fan, but how is Blake Griffin the #10 power forward in the league having never played a single game? Is that a joke?

[dough]

Centers:

Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez
Yao Ming
Andrew Bogut
Marc Gasol
Nene Hilario
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bynum
Marc Gasol
Mehmet Okur


Noah?

[Go Getter]

Noah?


Sadly I think I'm the only one that put Noah on their list:confusedshrug:

[dough]

Sadly I think I'm the only one that put Noah on their list:confusedshrug:
His numbers may not blow you away, I'd take Noah over Gasol, Kaman and Okur.

[Go Getter]

His numbers may not blow you away, I'd take Noah over Gasol, Kaman and Okur.


People forget that he led the league in rebounding for a good chunk of the season this year and had a strong case for the ASG.


I'd love to see him in it this [upcoming] year....bigs like him that can dribble are fun to watch in exhibition games....maybe he can break out a little flash for the fans.

[plowking]

His numbers may not blow you away, I'd take Noah over Gasol, Kaman and Okur.

Agreed. Defensive players constantly get underrated on here.

Varejao, Artest and Thabo are also a few that get no mention despite how good they actually are.

[Go Getter]

Agreed. Defensive players constantly get underrated on here.

Varejao, Artest and Thabo are also a few that get no mention despite how good they actually are.


I wish we had never traded Thabo.:rant

[Papaya Petee]

Sadly I think I'm the only one that put Noah on their list:confusedshrug:
I was debating between Noah and Perkins, but I put Perkins because his defense is a little better and on offence gets no action, while Noah is the Bulls #3 option.

[Se]

Evans is not a point guard

[kidachi]

Isn't Tyreke a PG?


wow. MEHMET f*ckn OKUR?

Blake Griffin?


I see a lot of holes in the rankings

[Andrei89]

IS there any Laker fan here who wouldn't rank Kobe above wade ?


:lol :lol :lol :lol


PF: Gasol
SF: Lebron
SG: Wade
C: Dwight
PG: Chris Paul

[insidehoops]

I find it funny how its only Laker/Kobe fans rating Kobe as the better shooting guard. Everyone from a neutral standpoint has Wade above.
Yes, this.

I don't know any other fan base that does this sort of thing so constantly

[Crystallas]

Some things to consider
OJ might be playing point next year.
Evans might be a SG next year.
IDK why Josh Smith is on some lists as a SF, hes a PF that slides into SF roles(and once you open that argument up, then most of the players in these lists can cover down too.)
Lee and Noah covered Center positions, but are PF first, no telling if either will be in PF or Center slots next year.

[omarnyc]

why is al jefferson and yao ming over all-stars bogut and horford?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

why is al jefferson and yao ming over all-stars bogut and horford?

Because horford only got in because of the weak-ass East. And was Bogut even an all-star?

PG DWill
SG Wade
SF Lebron
PF Bosh
C Howard

[omarnyc]

Because horford only got in because of the weak-ass East. And was Bogut even an all-star?

PG DWill
SG Wade
SF Lebron
PF Bosh
C Howard

the center position is weak period it has nothing to do with the east, matter fact the position is even weaker in the west thats why the top centers are actually power forwards

[BlackWhiteGreen]

the center position is weak period it has nothing to do with the east, matter fact the position is even weaker in the west thats why the top centers are actually power forwards

True. It's a crying shame

[skaterbasist]

IS there any Laker fan here who wouldn't rank Kobe above wade ?


:lol :lol :lol :lol


PF: Gasol
SF: Lebron
SG: Wade
C: Dwight
PG: Chris Paul

I guess you could ask the same about Heat fans and Wade :confusedshrug:

[Deadpool]

I'm not a Lakers or Heat fan and I think Kobe is just better don't see how it's much of an argument but I don't wanna start one.

[OnceInADECADE]

WOW NO LOVE FOR MY BOY BEASLEY.......................... ALRIGHT ALL U GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE WHAT HE DOES NEXT YEAR

22PPG 8RPG I SAID N WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rockon: :rockon:

[ODEN>DURANT]

Oden should easily be in the Top 10 Centres coming into next season.

[Deadpool]

Oden should easily be in the Top 10 Centres coming into next season.
:applause: :applause:

[BruceLee]

Who in the world would put pau over dirk?? hahahaha

[Deadpool]

Who in the world would put pau over dirk?? hahahaha
I believe I did

[ODEN>DURANT]

Who in the world would put pau over dirk?? hahahaha

Why wouldn't you? Unless you like chocking in playoffs.

[CLTHornets4eva]

It amazes me how many people still overlook cp3 and Joe Johnson is overrated nearly everytime. Also I'd consider Stephen Jackson a SG because that's what he playes.

[sosolid4u09]

You guys arent serious putting Wade above kobe?!?!?!?
You wont find a single nba analyst of writer who would agree with you

[Go Getter]

I was debating between Noah and Perkins, but I put Perkins because his defense is a little better and on offence gets no action, while Noah is the Bulls #3 option.

4th option:

#1 Rose
#2 Deng
#3 Hinrich
#4 Noah

[phazed out]

shocked OJ aint in anybody top 10 lists but then again he hasnt lived up to the potential i thought he was going to(still early)

and to think i wanted him over Rose :roll:

[Andrei89]

I guess you could ask the same about Heat fans and Wade :confusedshrug:

LoL that's because Wade is the best . We are not ignorant as you though. We admit Lebron is better than Wade whenever Lebron does better.

[Yung D-Will]

If were talking about this season, yes Kobe is better then Wade. But we're talking about next season when Kobe will be coming in at 32 I don't think he can keep up this level of play.

So Wade has the right to be ranked higher then him

[RazorBaLade]

LoL that's because Wade is the best . We are not ignorant as you though. We admit Lebron is better than Wade whenever Lebron does better.

Mad about that buzzerbeater STILL dude? cmon it was months ago

[Andrei89]

Mad about that buzzerbeater STILL dude? cmon it was months ago


Change of subject ? Okay son:lol :lol :lol

[plowking]

Yes, this.

I don't know any other fan base that does this sort of thing so constantly

You love me, don't pretend you don't.

[Math2]

Name your top 10's in order and discuss.

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. A. Bynum
6. C. Kaman
7. Nene
8. B. Lopez
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. D. Nowitzki
3. A. Stoudemire
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. M. Ellis
7. R. Allen
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. S. Nash
2. D. Williams
3. C. Paul
4. D. Rose
5. R. Rondo
6. T. Evans
7. T. Parker
8. J. Nelson
9. B. Westbrook
10. C. Billups


the leauge is in a sad shape if Howard is the best center..

[torontofan]

Name your top 10's in order and discuss.

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. A. Bynum
6. C. Kaman
7. Nene
8. B. Lopez
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. D. Nowitzki
3. A. Stoudemire
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. M. Ellis
7. R. Allen
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. S. Nash
2. D. Williams
3. C. Paul
4. D. Rose
5. R. Rondo
6. T. Evans
7. T. Parker
8. J. Nelson
9. B. Westbrook
10. C. Billups

I think the following should be included:
Marcus Camby (Could be between 6-10)
Luis Scola (Joint No. 10 with David Lee and Kevin Love)
Kevin Love

R.Lewis, R Artest and G.Hill should be replaced with Lamar Odom, Rudy Gay and A. Iguodala.

OJ Mayo replaces Iguodala at SG.

I consider Jason Kidd and Andre Miller to be top 10 pg's. I don't see why D.Rose is no.4 and Nash is No.1? D.Will, CP3 and Rondo should be joint 1st with Nash/Kidd/Westbrook/Miller behind them. Billups/Gilbert Arenas/J.Nelson round off the top 10.

[TROLL_HUNTER]

This is probably a stupid question and I'm assuming I'm wasting my time since you're a Clippers fan, but how is Blake Griffin the #10 power forward in the league having never played a single game? Is that a joke?


its a delusional joke but not the only one. :lol at Jennings at any top list

Evans SG?? Is he not a PG? why not wait to see him in a new role and then decide?

By the way, whoever believes OJ Mayo will break out as PG will get extremely disappointed next year. he will hog the ball even worse than he does now. the guy has some talent but he can only be a SG. no more no less. and comparisons to Kobe...please, dont.

[Papaya Petee]

If were talking about this season, yes Kobe is better then Wade. But we're talking about next season when Kobe will be coming in at 32 I don't think he can keep up this level of play.

So Wade has the right to be ranked higher then him

How come last season when Wade averaged 30\8\5\2\1 on almost 50% and was 3rd in DPOY people didn't rank him higher then Kobe?

[King Kong]

PGs:
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose
5. Steve Nash
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Tyreke Evans
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Stephen Curry
10. Gilbert Arenas

SGs:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Joe Johnson
6. OJ Mayo
7. Monta Ellis
8. Vince Carter
9. Ray Allen
10. Andre Iguodala

SF:
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Danny Granger
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Ron Artest
8. Rashard Lewis
9. Rudy Gay
10. Trevor Ariza

PF:
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Pau Gasol
3. Amare Stodamire
4. Chris Bosh
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Tim Duncan
7. David Lee
8. Carlos Boozer
9. Zach Randolph
10. Luis Scola

C:

1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Andrew Bogut
4. Andrew Bynum
5. Chris Kaman
6. Brook Lopez
7. Marc Gasol
8. Al Jefferson
9. Hilario Nene
10. Greg Oden

[King Kong]

its a delusional joke but not the only one. :lol at Jennings at any top list

Evans SG?? Is he not a PG? why not wait to see him in a new role and then decide?

By the way, whoever believes OJ Mayo will break out as PG will get extremely disappointed next year. he will hog the ball even worse than he does now. the guy has some talent but he can only be a SG. no more no less. and comparisons to Kobe...please, dont.

I don't think OJ is a ball hog. Does he have a questionable shot selection? Yes, but isn't a ball hog like a JR Smith.

From what I have read OJ has 2 games in the Vegas Summer League to prove to his organization that he can play the PG position, before he heads off to Team USA camp. If he does well he will be seeing a lot of time at PG this year, if he doesn't he will remain a 2 guard for a least one more year. I do believe the Kobe comparison are a bit too much for where he is at right now. He is talented player and I think he will breakout this year.

[Svendiggity]

If were talking about this season, yes Kobe is better then Wade. But we're talking about next season when Kobe will be coming in at 32 I don't think he can keep up this level of play.

So Wade has the right to be ranked higher then him

In my opinion, most basketball legends are in their prime from age 26-33. I don't see Kobe having a down year. 32 isn't old.

[alwaysunny]

Evans played PG 1st half of the season, then played SG the rest. He'll likely play SG next year with Martin gone, and I believe he'll be in top 5.

[Sovain]

Man Wesley Johnson needs to go #1 to the Nets

NBA Draft: Who should go #1? http://bit.ly/c9iCpB

[jackman]

My personal list..

PGs:
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Steve Nash
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Tyreke Evans
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Stephen Curry
10. Gilbert Arenas
10a. John Wall

SGs:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Andre Iguodala
7. Vince Carter
8. Ray Allen
9. OJ Mayo
10. Kevin Martin

SF:
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Danny Granger
5. Paul Pierce
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Rudy Gay
8. Rashard Lewis
9. Caron Butler
10. Josh Howard

PF:
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Pau Gasol
3. Chris Bosh
4. Amare Stoudamire
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Tim Duncan
7. David Lee
8. David West
9. Carlos Boozer
10. Josh Smith


C:

1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Andrew Bogut
4. Brook Lopez
5. Andrew Bynum
6. Marc Gasol
7. Al Jefferson
8. Joakim Noah
9. Greg Oden
10. Marcus Camby

[bongolarry]

D Rose should be no lower than 4th and Joakim is definetly in the top ten center as he was 1 of 3 centers to avg a double double.

[bongolarry]

Pau Gasol is not the best PF in the league thats for damn sure and his brother should not be anywhere near the top ten centers list look at a couple rosters before naming the first people that come to ur mind.

[Maniak]

Yao does not deserve to be in at the #2. Dudes pretty useless. Yes when hes healthy hes good, but thats really rare, and not right now.

[CHAresurgence]

Brook Lopez is seriously underrated because the nets had a horrible season. He's only 21 and averaged 19 and 9 while being triple teamed the whole season. He's should be no lower than #3 on anyones list.

Brook Lopez is really good, but you cannot be serious about Lopez facing triple teams the whole season. There are an elite few players in the league who could command a triple team and Lopez is not one of them.

[nolebball]

Arenas isn't in enough top 10s...22 ppg, 4 rpg, and 7 apg in his 32 games this season, including averaging 27 pts in his final 10 (showing he was getting back into the groove). And Evans is gonna play SG next season.

[Vman23]

Arenas isn't in enough top 10s...22 ppg, 4 rpg, and 7 apg in his 32 games this season, including averaging 27 pts in his final 10 (showing he was getting back into the groove). And Evans is gonna play SG next season.


Gilbert Arenas has become a forgotten dark horse. I think the Wizards are going to have to win games for him to get respect again.

But what you said is right. Here are Gilbert's number over his final 10 games.

27.1ppg
7.8 apg
5.1 rpg

And this coming season, Gilbert has alot to prove.

[rondo9]

if anyone puts joe johnson over ginobili you deserve to get your account deleted for not watching the playoffs
Ginobili is getting old and the question was "going into next year" i think he's hit the end of his road.

[rondo9]

Yao does not deserve to be in at the #2. Dudes pretty useless. Yes when hes healthy hes good, but thats really rare, and not right now.
even when healthy he should not be near #2

[spoonhoops]

I really like Yao too, but he is not a max player either. Too injury prone

[11gilmam]

You gotta put Kendrick Perkins in the discussion at center.

[mattevans11]

I really like Yao too, but he is not a max player either. Too injury prone


so now we are to predict who is going to be unlucky in the injury department next year?

yao is clearly a top center in the league.....

also i will give an argument for keving martin, and yeah i knwo it sounds like a homer choice.

before he came to the rockets i thought he was a one dimentional player. and was not a fan of the trade initially.

after watching him play for the second half of the year, i believe this guy is far better than most fans know. a couple things that i ahve found out about him:
1. slashing is his greatest strength on offense
2. dude shoots TONS of free throws
3. he candefend a whole lot better than i thought

he is clearly on the top 10 list and i would argue to me personally he is in the 6-8 range....... only time will tell

[Kingsfans818]

what the hell has Jefferson ever accomplished to be rated higher than Bogut? :roll:


C

1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Andrew Bogut
4. Andrew Bynum
5. Chris Kaman
6. Brook Lopez
7. Al Horford
8. Al Jefferson
9. Greg Oden
10. Marc Gasol

PF

1. D. Nowitzki
2. P. Gasol
3. C. Bosh
4. T. Duncan
5. K. Garnett
6. A. Stoudemire
7. D. Lee
8. L. Aldridge
9. C. Boozer
10. D. West

SF

1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. G. Wallace
5. P. Pierce
6. J. Smith
7. D. Granger
8. L. Odom
9. R. Gay
10. R. Lewis

SG

1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. A. Igoudala
5. M. Ginobili
6. J. Johnson
7. C. Butler
8. S. Jackson
9. O.J. Mayo
10. J. Richardson

PG

1. C. Paul
2. D. Williams
3. R. Rondo
4. S. Nash
5. R. Westbrooke
6. D. Rose
7. T. Evans
8. C. Billups
9. B. Jennings
10. T. Parker

[Go Getter]

what the hell has Jefferson ever accomplished to be rated higher than Bogut? :roll:


C

1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Andrew Bogut
4. Andrew Bynum
5. Chris Kaman
6. Brook Lopez
7. Al Horford
8. Al Jefferson
9. Greg Oden
10. Marc Gasol

PF

1. D. Nowitzki
2. P. Gasol
3. C. Bosh
4. T. Duncan
5. K. Garnett
6. A. Stoudemire
7. D. Lee
8. L. Aldridge
9. C. Boozer
10. D. West

SF

1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. G. Wallace
5. P. Pierce
6. J. Smith
7. D. Granger
8. L. Odom
9. R. Gay
10. R. Lewis

SG

1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. A. Igoudala
5. M. Ginobili
6. J. Johnson
7. C. Butler
8. S. Jackson
9. O.J. Mayo
10. J. Richardson

PG

1. C. Paul
2. D. Williams
3. R. Rondo
4. S. Nash
5. R. Westbrooke
6. D. Rose
7. T. Evans
8. C. Billups
9. B. Jennings
10. T. Parker


Conversely, what has Westbrook done to be considered better than Rose ior Jennings to be better than TP?

[Kingsfans818]

Conversely, what has Westbrook done to be considered better than Rose ior Jennings to be better than TP?

Westbrook made a much larger impact @ the playoffs this year than Rose has and has shown much steadier improvement

if I had to pick who was better this season? It would be Rose easily..but if development patterns continue.. I really feel OKC is going to give Russell much more room to develop than CHI is going to give Rose..especially if CHI lands a major FA.

Same goes w/ Jennings and Parker.. I really see Jennings coming into his own as he did in the playoffs this year in the playoffs and surpassing a slumping/stale Tony Parker..

The issue I have with Jefferson/Bogut is that they both already have developed into who they're going to be... Westbrook and Jennings are going to be completely different players next year

[Go Getter]

Westbrook made a much larger impact @ the playoffs this year than Rose has and has shown much steadier improvement

if I had to pick who was better this season? It would be Rose easily..but if development patterns continue.. I really feel OKC is going to give Russell much more room to develop than CHI is going to give Rose..especially if CHI lands a major FA.

Same goes w/ Jennings and Parker.. I really see Jennings coming into his own as he did in the playoffs this year in the playoffs and surpassing a slumping/stale Tony Parker..

The issue I have with Jefferson/Bogut is that they both already have developed into who they're going to be... Westbrook and Jennings are going to be completely different players next year

What? Both Rose and Westbrook played against the #1 seed and they both caught 1st round exists.

Rose averaged 27 and 7 being the #1 option. RW burned an old Fisher but he didn'thave a great series maybe 2 games.

Westbrook's shooting percentage stinks and Rose has been getting sleadily better each off season.

Point me to the evidence of his "much steadier improvement" and don't say his horrible shooting percentages because by luck he's bound to get better in that area you can't get much worse than 38-40%....Rose is darn near shooting big man numbers at the point and if he has a healthy season next year 50% shooting from the field is a definite possibility.

[Go Getter]

Westbrook and Jennings are going to be completely different players next year


What do you base this off of?

RW has it relatively easy on O considering that teams focus on Durant so much. If he can't shoot great percentages like that idk what to think of his shooting.

[dkmwise]

PG

1. C. Paul
2. D. Williams
3. R. Rondo
4. S. Nash
5. R. Westbrooke
6. D. Rose
7. T. Evans
8. C. Billups
9. B. Jennings
10. T. Parker


Damn, no J-Kidd in the top 10

[rfoster24]

Agree with everything except Deron is clearly the #1 PG in the league and Dirk and Pau are interchangeable.

Clearly??? how do you come up with clearly? How is he clearly better than Chris Paul? There is no clearcut best point guard in my opinion. Theyre all close.

[juju151111]

Name your top 10's in order and discuss.

Here's mine:

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Jefferson
4. A. Bogut
5. A. Bynum
6. C. Kaman
7. Nene
8. B. Lopez
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. P. Gasol
2. D. Nowitzki
3. A. Stoudemire
4. C. Bosh
5. T. Duncan
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. M. Ellis
7. R. Allen
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. S. Nash
2. D. Williams
3. C. Paul
4. D. Rose
5. R. Rondo
6. T. Evans
7. T. Parker
8. J. Nelson
9. B. Westbrook
10. C. Billups
LMFAO Rose will be top 3 next year and Paul>wiilliams.WB is better then parker and nelson.

[ODEN>DURANT]

Rajon Rondo is the best PG in the NBA.

[Aydin]

Are you trying to tell me Manu Ginobili is a better all-around player then Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili was not doubled everytime he touched the ball and didn't have Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat waiting for him everytime he got anywhere close to the rim. Joe is still a better all-around player, and just because Manu had one series better then Joe doesn't prove shit.

dude, come on dont watch any game ...I mean stop it if you really think JJ is better all aroud player than ginobili...
no no there is no if !!!
just not watch not think about it

[Birmingham1955]

PGs

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tyreke Evans
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Stephen Curry
10. Baron Davis

Sgs

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson
5. Monta Ellis
6. Manu Ginobili
7. OJ Mayo
8. Ray Allen
9. Stephen Jackson
10. Vince Carter

[ODEN>DURANT]

PGs

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tyreke Evans
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Stephen Curry
10. Baron Davis

Sgs

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Joe Johnson
5. Monta Ellis
6. Manu Ginobili
7. OJ Mayo
8. Ray Allen
9. Stephen Jackson
10. Vince Carter

2 positions on a court :applause:

[GregOstertag]

2 positions on a court :applause:

Who cares if the guy doesn't feel like sharing his SF, PF, or C rankings. You really think he forgot those positions exist? Goddamn it seems like every other post on ISH is an ad hominem attack that provides no insight whatsoever.

To avoid making my post as equally useless, here are my rankings for you guys to dissect:

PG
1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Steve Nash
4. Derrick Rose
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Jameer Nelson
10. Stephen Curry

SG
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Joe Johnson
6. Monta Ellis
7. Ray Allen
8. OJ Mayo
9. Andre Iguodala
10. Eric Gordon

SF
1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Josh Smith
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Danny Granger
8. Rudy Gay
9. Ron Artest
10. Tayshaun Prince

PF
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Pau Gasol
3. Chris Bosh
4. Tim Duncan
5. Amare Stoudemire
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Zach Randolph
9. LaMarcus Aldridge
10. David Lee

C
1. Dwight Howard
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Yao Ming
4. Brook Lopez
5. Al Horford
6. Andrew Bynum
7. Nene
8. Chris Kaman
9. Marc Gasol
10. Kendrick Perkins

[Bassman500]

Centers:
1. D. Howard
2. Y. Ming
3. A. Bogut
4. A. Jefferson
5. C. Kaman
6. A. Bynum
7. B.Lopez
8. Nene
9. A. Horford
10. M. Gasol

Power Forwards:
1. D. Nowitzki
2. P. Gasol
3. C. Bosh
4. T. Duncan
5. A. Stoudemire
6. K. Garnett
7. C. Boozer
8. L. Aldridge
9. Z. Randolph
10. D. Lee

Small Fowards:
1. L. James
2. K. Durant
3. C. Anthony
4. P. Pierce
5. G. Wallace
6. D. Granger
7. R. Lewis
8. J. Smith
9. R. Artest
10. G. Hill

Shooting Guards:
1. K. Bryant
2. D. Wade
3. B. Roy
4. M. Ginobili
5. J. Johnson
6. M. Ellis
7. R. Allen
8. A. Iguodala
9. V. Carter
10. J. Richardson

Point Guards:
1. D. Williams
2. C. Paul
3. S. Nash
4. D. Rose
5. R. Rondo
6. T. Evans
7. T. Parker
8. J. Nelson
9. R. Westbrook
10. C. Billups

[Manu ginobili]

Are you trying to tell me Manu Ginobili is a better all-around player then Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili was not doubled everytime he touched the ball and didn't have Dwight Howard and ta better all-around player, and just because Manu had one series better then Joe doesn't prove shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTwOhXQpl-Q&playnext_from=TL&videos=ZfYTxpaENAU

and manu is the better overall player you can make a good aruguement on who is the better shooter. manu attacks the rim better, passes better a better passer, better on defense and always has his hands on the ball and is a flat out winner. manu could of been and should have been finals mvp in 2005 against the pistons, he was amazing in those playoffs had a huge 39 point performance in game 5 against the supersonics in 05. and manu does this all playing behind a hall of famer not even the number one option. and ive yet to see Joe Johnson do anything in the playoffs besides choke.

[VishaltotheG]

Where the hell is Joakim Noah? If he didn't get injured he would have been an all star and all-defensive selection. Now that he's healthy he is a top 10 center in the league.

[Chuchu]

Here's my Top 10 Players:

Centers:

1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Al Jefferson
4. Chris Kaman
5. Andrew Bogut
6. Andrew Bynum
7. Nene
8. Brook Lopez
9. Al Horford
10. Marc Gasol

Power Forwards:

1. Pau Gasol
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Amar'e Stoudemire
4. Chris Bosh
5. Tim Duncan
6. Carlos Boozer
7. Kevin Garnett
8. LaMarcus Aldridge
9. Zach Randolph
10. David Lee

Small Forwards:

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Gerald Wallace
6. Danny Granger
7. Rashard Lewis
8. Ron Artest
9. Josh Smith
10. Rudy Gay

Shooting Guards:

1. Dwayne Wade
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Brandon Roy
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Joe Johnson
6. Monta Ellis
7. Ray Allen
8. Andre Iguodala
9. Vince Carter
10. Jason Richardson

Point Guards:

1. Deron Williams
2. Steve Nash
3. Chris Paul
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Russell Westbrook
6. Tyreke Evans
7. Derrick Rose
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Jameer Nelson
10. Stephen Curry

God Bless,
Chuchu.

[Point Blank]

Wade over Kobe?

[Deadpool]

Hibbert looks promising in the league full of phony centers.

[Yung D-Will]

Wade over Kobe?

Yea we're talking about next season

Not right now

[Deadpool]

Yea we're talking about next season

Not right now
People are bullshitting themselves. How much will Kobe decline over few months? Really I doubt we will see much difference maybe he will take less shots that's all.

[macpierce]

the only thing wade has over kobe is the ability to drive and get closer shots to the basket, boy still cant shoot pullup jumpers or 3's in crunch time.

[sublime]

There's no way I'm taking Wade over Kobe. I really thought Kobe was on the permanent decline when I watched the OKC series, but he's arguably been playing his best basketball ever since getting his knee drained. And Kobe at his best > Wade at his best.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Who cares if the guy doesn't feel like sharing his SF, PF, or C rankings. You really think he forgot those positions exist? Goddamn it seems like every other post on ISH is an ad hominem attack that provides no insight whatsoever.

To avoid making my post as equally useless, here are my rankings for you guys to dissect:

PG
1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Steve Nash
4. Derrick Rose
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Jameer Nelson
10. Stephen Curry

SG
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Joe Johnson
6. Monta Ellis
7. Ray Allen
8. OJ Mayo
9. Andre Iguodala
10. Eric Gordon

SF
1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Josh Smith
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Danny Granger
8. Rudy Gay
9. Ron Artest
10. Tayshaun Prince

PF
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Pau Gasol
3. Chris Bosh
4. Tim Duncan
5. Amare Stoudemire
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Zach Randolph
9. LaMarcus Aldridge
10. David Lee

C
1. Dwight Howard
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Yao Ming
4. Brook Lopez
5. Al Horford
6. Andrew Bynum
7. Nene
8. Chris Kaman
9. Marc Gasol
10. Kendrick Perkins

other than Williams over Paul. Ray Allen is a 6th man in this league come next season. Other than that, dead on.

[gyu]

Aaron Brooks and Kevin Martin are both 10th in their positions in my opinion.

[insidehoops]

Bump

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose is gonna be the best

[Blue.Legend]

PGs

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Derrick Rose
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Baron Davis
9. Stephen Curry
10 Tyreke Evans

Sgs

1a Kobe Bryant
1b Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Ray Allen
5. Joe Johnson
6. Manu Ginobili
7. Stephen Jackson
8. Vince Carter
9. Monte Ellis
10. O'J Mayo


Fixed
-Tyreke Evans isn't a top 5 point guard.
-Rondo and Nash > Rose.
-Chris Paul is underated after injury despite still being the best PG
-Rose overrated by many posters
-Ray Allen severely underated.
-Stephen Jackson underated.

Ray Allen is always a three point threat, i don't understand why people are putting him at 7th. Joe Johnson? Ginnobli? MONTE ELLIS? OJ @*@*ing MAYO?
This should be a crime. He is 4th after Roy. Yes hes getting old, but hes as clutch as ever and if you leave him open, you'll feel like the lakers in game 2.

[ginobli2311]

There's no way I'm taking Wade over Kobe. I really thought Kobe was on the permanent decline when I watched the OKC series, but he's arguably been playing his best basketball ever since getting his knee drained. And Kobe at his best > Wade at his best.

the problem is that kobe hasn't been able to perform well against good defenses dating all the way back to the 2003 season. I'd love to see kobe finally play a good series against a tough defense this year. First 2 games are not a good sign......kobe was actually guarded in the OKC series and is now finally being guarded again in the boston series. 8 games against 2 good defenses in this year's playoffs and he's shooting 41% from the field and averaging 24 points. Which is right in line with Kobe's last 8 years of play against the better defenses in the league.

You can blame injuries or come up with other excuses all you want....but history is there for a reason and there is a large enough sample size to come to this conclusion. And this is something that Kobe supporters can't sweep under the rug. He flat out needs to play better against good defenses.....Kobe would be the first to admit that.

[Yung D-Will]

Who cares if the guy doesn't feel like sharing his SF, PF, or C rankings. You really think he forgot those positions exist? Goddamn it seems like every other post on ISH is an ad hominem attack that provides no insight whatsoever.

To avoid making my post as equally useless, here are my rankings for you guys to dissect:

PG
1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Steve Nash
4. Derrick Rose
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Jameer Nelson
10. Stephen Curry

SG
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Brandon Roy
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Joe Johnson
6. Monta Ellis
7. Ray Allen
8. OJ Mayo
9. Andre Iguodala
10. Eric Gordon

SF
1. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Paul Pierce
5. Josh Smith
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Danny Granger
8. Rudy Gay
9. Ron Artest
10. Tayshaun Prince

PF
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Pau Gasol
3. Chris Bosh
4. Tim Duncan
5. Amare Stoudemire
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Zach Randolph
9. LaMarcus Aldridge
10. David Lee

C
1. Dwight Howard
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Yao Ming
4. Brook Lopez
5. Al Horford
6. Andrew Bynum
7. Nene
8. Chris Kaman
9. Marc Gasol
10. Kendrick Perkins

So you don't think a Healthy AL Jefferson is a top 10 c or top 10 pf?

[Allstar24]

PG-Deron Williams
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lebron James
PF-Dirk Nowitzki
C-Dwight Howard

These will be the #1 players at each position going into the next season.

[ginobli2311]

PG-Deron Williams
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lebron James
PF-Dirk Nowitzki
C-Dwight Howard

These will be the #1 players at each position going into the next season.

give me

pg - pual if healthy....rondo if paul isn't healthy
sg - wade
sf - lebron
pf - dirk
c - howard

[Allstar24]

Kobe's getting knee surgery this summer. He's not playing for the world championships so he is getting the rest he deserves. I'll take a healthy Kobe over Wade any day.

Rondo over Deron? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ginobli2311]

Kobe's getting knee surgery this summer. He's not playing for the world championships so he is getting the rest he deserves. I'll take a healthy Kobe over Wade any day.

Rondo over Deron? :roll: :roll: :roll:

deron williams is very good....but he's an average defender at best. rondo/paul are the two best defending guards in the league. you win with defense and keeping the ball out of the paint is extremely important. deron just simply doesn't do a very good job on defense.

kobe or wade....they are very similar. I would take wade simply because he plays better against the good defenses in the league. kobe struggles big time against the top 5 defenses....wade does not.

[Allstar24]

deron williams is very good....but he's an average defender at best. rondo/paul are the two best defending guards in the league. you win with defense and keeping the ball out of the paint is extremely important. deron just simply doesn't do a very good job on defense.

kobe or wade....they are very similar. I would take wade simply because he plays better against the good defenses in the league. kobe struggles big time against the top 5 defenses....wade does not.
CP3's defense is highly overrated because of his steals. From what I've seen, Deron plays great defense...he uses his body and physical strength to play opposing guards. His game is more complete. Rondo can't shoot, he's at best a top 3 PG in the league.

I'm not gonna touch the Kobe/Wade debate with you...you said rookie Wade was better than Kobe...can't really try to reason with a person who lacks objectivity when it comes to Kobe.

[ginobli2311]

CP3's defense is highly overrated because of his steals. From what I've seen, Deron plays great defense...he uses his body and physical strength to play opposing guards. His game is more complete. Rondo can't shoot, he's at best a top 3 PG in the league.

I'm not gonna touch the Kobe/Wade debate with you...you said rookie Wade was better than Kobe...can't really try to reason with a person who lacks objectivity when it comes to Kobe.

lol. comparing deron's defense to rondo/paul is a joke. deron is not a good defender....sorry. chris paul and rondo are a ton better defensively....its not even close. as for not shooting....rondo shot 51% from the field while deron shot 47%. sorry......its not absurd to take rondo or paul over williams. defense wins in this league.

never said rookie wade was better....i simply said that rookie wade had more success with odom/butler. we don't have to debate this if you don't want to. i like wade because he is a little more efficient, a better passer, and plays better against the better defenses in the league. taking kobe over wade is fine.......but don't act like taking wade over kobe is a joke or something.

[Allstar24]

Deron's the best player on his team, give him 3 HOFers as teammates and he shoots 55% from the field. I have eyes, Rondo can't shoot...I've seen how he gets most of his points.

Never said taking Wade over Kobe is a joke but I would take a healthy Kobe over Wade any day.

[ginobli2311]

Deron's the best player on his team, give him 3 HOFers as teammates and he shoots 55% from the field. I have eyes, Rondo can't shoot...I've seen how he gets most of his points.

Never said taking Wade over Kobe is a joke but I would take a healthy Kobe over Wade any day.

agree to disagree. rondo is the best player on his team. boozer would be the 2nd best player on the current celtics team as well....slightly ahead of pierce.

of course deron is a better shooter....but rondo is more efficient from the field overall. I'd rather have the more efficient player and the much better defender.

[Yung D-Will]

lol.
comparing deron's defense to rondo/paul is a joke. deron is not a good defender....sorry. .
You just lost all your credibility there.

Deron is a great perimeter defender.

No need to argue just watch a Utah game before you make such a dumb comment

[ginobli2311]

You just lost all your credibility there.

Deron is a great perimeter defender.

No need to argue just watch a Utah game before you make such a dumb comment

lol. i watch plenty of games.....and comparing rondo/paul to deron in defense just is not fair. deron is an average defender at best........sorry.

[Yung D-Will]

lol. i watch plenty of games..

No you haven't. Or you wouldn't make such a stupid comment.


. Deron Williams is able to use his strength to keep his opponents in front of him. He's very hard to break down off the dribble because he is very good at it himself.
. He puts a lot of pressure on a ball handler, and his ability to read the game defensively has improved.
.He can defend guard who try to post him up
. He can defend Quicker guards just look at how he plays Paul

The only thing that Paul has over Deron on Defense is steals

[ginobli2311]

No you haven't. Or you wouldn't make such a stupid comment.


. Deron Williams is able to use his strength to keep his opponents in front of him. He's very hard to break down off the dribble because he is very good at it himself.
. He puts a lot of pressure on a ball handler, and his ability to read the game defensively has improved.
.He can defend guard who try to post him up
. He can defend Quicker guards just look at how he plays Paul

The only thing that Paul has over Deron on Defense is steals

not in numbers and not in recognition is deron williams half the defender you claim him to be. he has the physical tools.....but for some reason that hasn't translated into solid defense. you also act as if steals aren't important.....its very important that rondo gets around double the amount of steals that williams gets. that translates to over 1 more steal per game......thats big.

deron williams is an average defender. rondo/paul are great defenders....there is a huge difference.

rondo also takes better care of the ball. deron williams had 252 turnovers in 2800 minutes this year. rondo had 246 turnovers in 2963 minutes this year. so rondo had 6 less turnovers but played 5 more games......impressive.

so rondo is better defensively. rondo is more efficient from the field. rondo is a better rebounder. rondo turns the ball over less.

like i said...i'll take rondo.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

PG
1.Nash
2.Deron
3.Paul
4.Rondo
5.Rose
6.Billups
7.Westbrook
8.Evans
9.Parker
10.Curry
SG
1.Kobe
2.Wade
3.Roy
4.Ginobili
5.Johnson
6.Iguodala
7.Allen
8.Ellis
9.Mayo
10.Jrich
SF
1.LeBron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Wallace
5.Pierce
6.Granger
7.J-Smith
8.Prince
9.Gay
10.Artest
PF
1.Dirk
2.Bosh
3.Gasol
4.Duncan
5.Lee
6.Radolph
7.Boozer
8.Amare
9.Garnett
10.Aldrige
C
1.Bogut
2.Howard
3.B.Lopez
4.Ming
5.Kamman
6.Horford
7.M.Gasol
8.Bynum
9.Perkins
10.Noah
:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[Yung D-Will]

not in numbers and not in recognition is deron williams half the defender you claim him to be. he has the physical tools.....but for some reason that hasn't translated into solid defense. you also act as if steals aren't important.....its very important that rondo gets around double the amount of steals that williams gets. that translates to over 1 more steal per game......thats big.

deron williams is an average defender. rondo/paul are great defenders....there is a huge difference.

rondo also takes better care of the ball. deron williams had 252 turnovers in 2800 minutes this year. rondo had 246 turnovers in 2963 minutes this year. so rondo had 6 less turnovers but played 5 more games......impressive.

so rondo is better defensively. rondo is more efficient from the field. rondo is a better rebounder. rondo turns the ball over less.

like i said...i'll take rondo.

You've obviously never watched a Utah game.And why am I arguing with someone who believes steals = Perimiter defense

[ginobli2311]

You've obviously never watched a Utah game.And why am I arguing with someone who believes steals = Perimiter defense

i don't think steals = perimeter defense. i just think steals are an important part of defense and you can't simply discount them. so i guess turnovers don't matter either.

deron does not do a great job of keeping the ball out of the paint compared to what rondo is able to do.

like i said before. deron is a great player. but i think rondo does more for winning.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Fixed
-Tyreke Evans isn't a top 5 point guard.
-Rondo and Nash > Rose.
-Chris Paul is underated after injury despite still being the best PG
-Rose overrated by many posters
-Ray Allen severely underated.
-Stephen Jackson underated.

Ray Allen is always a three point threat, i don't understand why people are putting him at 7th. Joe Johnson? Ginnobli? MONTE ELLIS? OJ @*@*ing MAYO?
This should be a crime. He is 4th after Roy. Yes hes getting old, but hes as clutch as ever and if you leave him open, you'll feel like the lakers in game 2.

I think tonight shows you way Ray Allen isn't the 4th best SG in the league and isn't better than current Monta Ellis, OJ Mayo, Joe Johnson, Monta Ellis.

I don't want to take away from Allen he is a great shooter top 5 in NBA history. However that is all he is now is an outside shooter. You live and die off the 3 point shot. He never was a good playmaker and all of that playmaking ability he had has now eroded. When he is hot it is fun to watch, but when he is not he goes 0-13 FG like tonight because he can create his own shot anymore. OJ Mayo, Monta Ellis can create their own shots they are iso players.