Lebron gave Rose a call after being eliminated and his team was seen with bulls gear

[Clocian-IGN]

LeBron James reportedly gave the Chicago Bulls a call after being eliminted

[ashbelly]

The question is, will they get along with Noah ?? Locker room tensions ? :ohwell:

[theDragicLegacy]

Noah is just a fiery competitor and Bron respects that. Look after the bulls series, Lebron and Noah shooked hands, hugged and had kind words for eachother.

[Clocian-IGN]

The question is, will they get along with Noah ?? Locker room tensions ? :ohwell:

does kobe and artest get along :ohwell:? they'll leave the stuff last season behind them

[dough]

Lebron's 'team'?

[Knicks101]

Guess he's going to the Bulls then. I'm sure that his mind was made up moments after being eliminated and before he talked to any organization. That makes perfect sense.

[Funnyfuka]

Lebron's 'team'?
yeah wtf does that mean? the cavaliers players were seen with lebron all wearing bulls gear ?

:wtf:

[Clocian-IGN]

yeah wtf does that mean? the cavaliers players were seen with lebron all wearing bulls gear ?

:wtf:

his crew/peoples/friends. come on people :oldlol:.

^ knicks101 = hurt knick fan :lol. dont worry you can have jj and resign lee

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I saw an article (forgot where) that said 3 different GMs believe Lebron will go to Chicago.

[Funnyfuka]

i d like to see pictures of him wearing bulls gear first.

[Knicks101]

his crew/peoples/friends. come on people :oldlol:.

^ knicks101 = hurt knick fan :lol. dont worry you can have jj and resign lee

Yeah, that's it. I'm upset about something that hasn't even happened. Do me a favor and explain to me what has changed in the last week that made the Bulls go from having 0 chance of getting LeBron to them becoming the favorites.

[OneMoreSucka]

Yeah, that's it. I'm upset about something that hasn't even happened. Do me a favor and explain to me what has changed in the last week that made the Bulls go from having 0 chance of getting LeBron to them becoming the favorites.
Because....Chris Broussard!!!!!! Sources!!!

[OneMoreSucka]

I saw an article (forgot where) that said 3 different GMs believe Lebron will go to Chicago.
Brought to you by the same douchebag that said Kobe would never wear a Lakers uniform again

[Knicks101]

Because....Chris Broussard!!!!!! Sources!!!

It's hilarious isn't it. That guy is a douche, everyone knows he's a douche and all he did was give his clearly biased opinion. For some reason all these Bulls fans are eating it up and getting their pissing in their underwear. Could LeBron go to Chiacago? Obviously he could, personally I don't see it happening. Should Bulls fans be running around here like this guy is already on the team? No.

[Clocian-IGN]

Yeah, that's it. I'm upset about something that hasn't even happened. Do me a favor and explain to me what has changed in the last week that made the Bulls go from having 0 chance of getting LeBron to them becoming the favorites.

nobody thought bron was going anywhere(except delusional knicks fans)if he won the title with the cavs. now not only did he get bounced out the play offs but in the second round at that. now there's a really good chance lebron leaves and lets face it, chicago is in the best situation right now with Rose, Noah, and Deng(who we will try to move with or kirk by himself for bosh/amare/boozer).

What the hell does NY have? 2 possible max contract spots that nobody is going to because they know good and well they aren't winning a ring with only 2 good players. doesn't help that you traded your draft picks away. FA gonna be saying to themselves "if this shit dont work the first year, its REALLY not gonna work at all".

There's miami and other teams as well but the fact remains that the bulls are in the best situation. be sad :violin:

[dnyk1337]

fact: chicago makes an inferior deep dish pizza
fact: chicago can't hold nyc's jockstrap

[emsteez forreal]

fact: chicago makes an inferior deep dish pizza
fact: chicago can't hold nyc's jockstrap
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
come get some new yawker.

[Knicks101]

nobody thought bron was going anywhere(except dellusional knicks fans)if he won the title with the cavs. now not only did he get bounced out the play offs but in the second round at that. now there's a really good chance lebron leaves and lets face it, chicago is in the best situation right now with Rose, Noah, and Deng(who we will try to move with or kirk by himself for bosh/amare/boozer).

What the hell does NY have? 2 possible max contract spots that nobody is going to because they know good and well they aren't winning a ring with only 2 good players. doesn't help that you traded your draft picks away. FA gonna be saying to themselves "if this shit dont work the first year, its REALLY not gonna work at all".

There's miami and other teams as well but the fact remains that the bulls are in the best situation. be sad :violin:

First of all it's delusional, if you're going to insult anyone at least be able to spell. Second, what the **** are you smoking? You're telling me that I've been hearing where is LeBron going after this season talk all year long, but nobody thought that he was going anywhere? :hammerhead: Some people thought that it was more likely that he'd leave if he won, so I don't know where you're getting that from. Thirdly, sorry buddy. NO ONE in their right mind is going to take Luol Deng for Bosh, Amar'e or Boozer. You're insane if you think that. They'll let them leave for nothing rather than take on that contract.


fact: chicago makes an inferior deep dish pizza
fact: chicago can't hold nyc's jockstrap

Deep dish pizza sucks. It's funny how butthurt people from Chicago get about stuff NY related. Second City complex.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Brought to you by the same douchebag that said Kobe would never wear a Lakers uniform again

no, I dont think the article I saw was from Bucher. I will go look for it (maybe it was, I can't remember).

[CLTHornets4eva]

Who is Will Burge and why does he have any inside info?

[dnyk1337]

truth: chicago was made from the supposed nyc plans that were scrapped and sold to chicago.
truth: most pizza stores in chicago were first opened in nyc but moved to chicago after the citizens in nyc found the pizza bad.

[Undisputed]

fact: chicago makes an inferior deep dish pizza
fact: chicago can't hold nyc's jockstrap

Says a man who has probably never had Chicago deep dish pizza. Only ignorance or just plain hate would inspire someone to say such a thing. It's all about the Thin Crust pizza if in NY. You aren't getting better stuffed pizza than Giordano's or Gino's East in Chicago

[Undisputed]

It's hilarious isn't it. That guy is a douche, everyone knows he's a douche and all he did was give his clearly biased opinion. For some reason all these Bulls fans are eating it up and getting their pissing in their underwear. Could LeBron go to Chiacago? Obviously he could, personally I don't see it happening. Should Bulls fans be running around here like this guy is already on the team? No.

It's just the trolls or young fans going around acting like that. Let's not generalize the Bulls fans, please.

[Clocian-IGN]

First of all it's delusional, if you're going to insult anyone at least be able to spell. Second, what the **** are you smoking? You're telling me that I've been hearing where is LeBron going after this season talk all year long, but nobody thought that he was going anywhere? :hammerhead: Some people thought that it was more likely that he'd leave if he won, so I don't know where you're getting that from. Thirdly, sorry buddy. NO ONE in their right mind is going to take Luol Deng for Bosh, Amar'e or Boozer. You're insane if you think that. They'll let them leave for nothing rather than take on that contract.



Deep dish pizza sucks. It's funny how butthurt people from Chicago get about stuff NY related. Second City complex.

appreciate the spelling fix grammar nazi, guess ya gotta fill up that post with whatever to make it look as lengthy and thoughtful as possible :lol. WTF, what dumbass thinks lebron would leave a team he just a won a ring with. this makes absolutely no sense. who said we had to trade deng/kirk to toronto to get bosh lol?

[dnyk1337]

appreciate the spelling fix grammar nazi, guess ya gotta fill up that post with whatever to make it look as lengthy and thoughtful as possible :lol. WTF, what dumbass thinks lebron would leave a team he just a won a ring with. this makes absolutely no sense. who said we had to trade deng/kirk to toronto to get bosh lol?

lol relax. are you his entourage or something? why are you getting so pissed off from people talking about lebron and his possible destinations? its all speculation.

[Knicks101]

appreciate the spelling fix grammar nazi, guess ya gotta fill up that post with whatever to make it look as lengthy and thoughtful as possible :lol. WTF, what dumbass thinks lebron would leave a team he just a won a ring with. this makes absolutely no sense. who said we had to trade deng/kirk to toronto to get bosh lol?

If LeBron won a ring he could say that he got Cleveland their championship, and that he doesn't owe them anything anymore. He could go do what he wants to do. It's a pretty simple concept.

What else are you going to trade to get one of those guys? Enlighten me.

[bdreason]

I don't think Rose and LeBron are a good combo. Both like to have the ball in their hands, and like to take the ball to the rim. Neither has a great jumper. So, are they just going to take turns taking the ball to the rack? And kicking it out to shooters that they don't have?

This Bulls team, even with LeBron, still has no post presence and no shooters to spread the court. Bulls would be much better off with a guy like Bosh.

[ReturnofJPR]

As a Bulls fan, I'm not sure that I would want LeScum aka LeBronze aka LeQuit down in Flames.

He has no mental or spiritual ability. He has no leadership. He relies only on his athletic ability. He will be broke down by 30. He'll be an 8 year veteran next season and has an additional 2 seasons on his body due to extended post season play.

Chicago would be better off signing Bosh or Amare.

[Clocian-IGN]

lol relax. are you his entourage or something? why are you getting so pissed off from people talking about lebron and his possible destinations? its all speculation.

???

Im not pissed, I'm sitting at my laptop laughing :oldlol:. Just because I'm typing "WTF" in bold doesn't really mean Im pissed :ohwell:.

[NY-Knicks]

appreciate the spelling fix grammar nazi, guess ya gotta fill up that post with whatever to make it look as lengthy and thoughtful as possible :lol. WTF, what dumbass thinks lebron would leave a team he just a won a ring with. this makes absolutely no sense. who said we had to trade deng/kirk to toronto to get bosh lol?


seriously, shut the **** up, you have no right to call anyone a nazi in any form or way, you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

[iamgine]

so will Lebron stop dancing or will Noah join in the hula?

[NY-Knicks]

As a Bulls fan, I'm not sure that I would want LeScum aka LeBronze aka LeQuit down in Flames.

He has no mental or spiritual ability. He has no leadership. He relies only on his athletic ability. He will be broke down by 30. He'll be an 8 year veteran next season and has an additional 2 seasons on his body due to extended post season play.

Chicago would be better off signing Bosh or Amare.

honestly I agree, not because I am a Knicks fan but I think Rose would be best utilized by a good pick and roll big man. In my opinion that would be a better fit since Rose and Lebron dominate the ball. They could prove me wrong but Lebron plays with point guards who are able to play off the ball.

[NY-Knicks]

so will Lebron stop dancing or will Noah join in the hula?

tough one.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I have been saying I don't want Bron on the Bulls, but if he signs I would still and always stay a Bulls fan.

[Undisputed]

Chicago would be better off signing Bosh or Amare.
That's how I feel also.

[dough]

his crew/peoples/friends. come on people :oldlol:.

^ knicks101 = hurt knick fan :lol. dont worry you can have jj and resign lee
That's a team now?

[Clocian-IGN]

If LeBron won a ring he could say that he got Cleveland their championship, and that he doesn't owe them anything anymore. He could go do what he wants to do. It's a pretty simple concept.

What else are you going to trade to get one of those guys? Enlighten me.


you really think so? ok....lol.

we just need to get rid of kirk/deng, it shouldn't be to hard with all the under cap teams, especially kirk.

[InspiredLebowski]

Does Lebron even like pizza? Indy's got a great shrimp cocktail.

[Kiddlovesnets]

hehe Knicks fans are going crazy now...

But true enough, Chicago and Miami and instant title contenders with the addition of Lebron James. Even the Nets and Clippers are better of a team than the Knicks if Lebron signs with either of them.

Knicks? You mean the team that cannot win a title in this century? ^^

http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/knicks_suck.jpg

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

how 'bout this craziness:
1) Lebron signs with Bulls straight-up (Cavs get nothing)
AND
2) Boozer forces s&t to Bulls (for, say, Deng + something).

Bulls then dominate

[dnyk1337]

hehe Knicks fans are going crazy now...

But true enough, Chicago and Miami and instant title contender with the addition of Lebron James. Even the Nets and Clippers are better of a team than the Knicks if Lebron signs with either of them.

Knicks? You mean the team that cannot win a title in this century? ^^



you are literally, the worst poster i have ever seen in my time on this forum. youre worse than trolls. youre that bad. do us a favor and stop posting. you bring nothing.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

hehe Knicks fans are going crazy now...

But true enough, Chicago and Miami and instant title contender with the addition of Lebron James. Even the Nets and Clippers are better of a team than the Knicks if Lebron signs with either of them.

Knicks? You mean the team that cannot win a title in this century? ^^

http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/knicks_suck.jpg

How about Lebron to Knicks AND Bosh to Knicks?
(which, by the way, is the only way Lebron would go to the Knicks, I would think)

[Knicks101]

you are literally, the worst poster i have ever seen in my time on this forum. youre worse than trolls. youre that bad. do us a favor and stop posting. you bring nothing.

I'm 82% sure that he's mentally retarded. I'm 91% sure that he doesn't know what a century is.

[Kiddlovesnets]

you are literally, the worst poster i have ever seen in my time on this forum. youre worse than trolls. youre that bad. do us a favor and stop posting. you bring nothing.

lol come on Knicks fans, you just cannot win with or without Lebron. ^^

[TheTruth11]

This would be a lethal combination. Imagine Bron and Rose attacking from the perimeter? Both these guys have arguably the most explosive "first step" in the game of basketball. Who do you defend? And you can't double both. And when you try to take the ball out of the hands of one guy, the other guy dishes it. And Noah will be just sitting there racking up on the leftovers. I love this move.

Still, there is a long way to go before this is a done deal.

[ZeN]

how 'bout this craziness:
1) Lebron signs with Bulls straight-up (Cavs get nothing)
AND
2) Boozer forces s&t to Bulls (for, say, Deng + something).

Bulls then dominate


THAT.. would be legendary.

[Kiddlovesnets]

How about Lebron to Knicks AND Bosh to Knicks?
(which, by the way, is the only way Lebron would go to the Knicks, I would think)

You seriously believe the Knicks can sign both of them? Not gonna happen, they may sign Lebron or Both but thats all of it. Knicks with just Lebron and Bosh are not a title contender at all.

[rfm767]

from all the most likely possibilities, I like CHI the most.

[Knicks101]

You seriously believe the Knicks can sign both of them? Not gonna happen, they may sign Lebron or Both but thats all of it. Knicks with just Lebron and Bosh are not a title contender at all.

What? This doesn't even make sense.

[dnyk1337]

I'm 82% sure that he's mentally retarded. I'm 91% sure that he doesn't know what a century is.

that would make sense as to why he referred to me as fans.

im starting to think he is lebron23's gimmick account made to bash everything knick. he sounds like him.

[AMISTILLILL]

So, to recap: LeBron campaigns to change his number in honor of Michael Jordan earlier this year... yet intends to sign with Jordan's team to forever live in his shadow? It makes no sense. It's obvious LeBron wants to make his own legacy, not tread softly on the territory of somebody else. The same logic can be applied to his potential signing with Miami. Wade won the championship in '06... for all intents and purposes Wade IS the franchise. LeBron won't go somewhere where the bar is already set high by a legendary player or an incumbent star.

[Kiddlovesnets]

that would make sense as to why he referred to me as fans.

im starting to think he is lebron23's gimmick account made to bash everything knick.

:roll:

Keep on speculating, Knicks fans. Its been a while since your team actually had a better record than the Nets, but so what? The Knicks still did not make the playoff, while the Nets at its best days were title contenders, especially in 2003. Also need me to remind you of that sweep in 2004? ^^

And I am bashing on the Knicks? How amusing, you should really look at that idiotic thread Niko made to bash the Nets. At least no nets fans are attention whores to make a big thread talking shits like why Lebron is not going to another team. XD

[Knicks101]

Yeah, he's retarded.

[NY-Knicks]

lol come on Knicks fans, you just cannot win with or without Lebron. ^^


cough*12 wins and 70 losses*cough*no championship in franchise history*cough

[NY-Knicks]

So, to recap: LeBron campaigns to change his number in honor of Michael Jordan earlier this year... yet intends to sign with Jordan's team to forever live in his shadow? It makes no sense. It's obvious LeBron wants to make his own legacy, not tread softly on the territory of somebody else. The same logic can be applied to his potential signing with Miami. Wade won the championship in '06... for all intents and purposes Wade IS the franchise. LeBron won't go somewhere where the bar is already set high by a legendary player or an incumbent star.


that sir, is the truth.

[Kiddlovesnets]

cough*12 wins and 70 losses*cough*no championship in franchise history*cough

lol thats so funny. The Nets won ABA twice while the Knicks won NBA like several years prior to the merger. Just how many titles did the Knicks win after the merger? None. XD

[PowerGlove]

cough*12 wins and 70 losses*cough*no championship in franchise history*cough
*cough* two championships in almost sixty years*cough*

*cough* every star player for the last decade has shitted all over knicks *cough*

*cough* just completed one of the worst decades in nba history*cough*

EDIT: almost seventy years.

[dnyk1337]

:roll:

Keep on speculating, Knicks fans. Its been a while since your team actually had a better record than the Nets, but so what? The Knicks still did not make the playoff, while the Nets at its best days were title contenders, especially in 2003. Also need me to remind you of that sweep in 2004? ^^

And I am bashing on the Knicks? How amusing, you should really look at that idiotic thread Niko made to bash the Nets. At least no nets fans are attention whores to make a big thread talking shits like why Lebron is not going to another team. XD

no self respecting nets fan would side with you. die.

[Kiddlovesnets]

no self respecting nets fan would side with you. die.

hehe how about the Knicks fans? Are you all like that idiot Niko? ^^

[ZeN]

So, to recap: LeBron campaigns to change his number in honor of Michael Jordan earlier this year... yet intends to sign with Jordan's team to forever live in his shadow? It makes no sense. It's obvious LeBron wants to make his own legacy, not tread softly on the territory of somebody else. The same logic can be applied to his potential signing with Miami. Wade won the championship in '06... for all intents and purposes Wade IS the franchise. LeBron won't go somewhere where the bar is already set high by a legendary player or an incumbent star.


All this assumes that LeBron is thinking logically. We dont particularly know what is going through his head and what his private thinking is leading him to. If we look back to the decisions that many players made in the past, you can always say that it was the logical or the smart move. Specially since there are details that are going on in the background that we are not aware of.

[MagicalLA]

I wonder what the f*ck is a Nets fan doing laughing at other teams.

[niko]

hehe how about the Knicks fans? Are you all like that idiot Niko? ^^
i may be an idiot but you're a nets fan... :lol

you people really catch feelings - i've never called anyone an idiot, asshole, etc. for hating on my team. they are the SPORTS team i follow. Not my family. If you bumped into one of those guys in the street they wouldn't know, care, or pick you up if you fell down. Get a grip here. You sound like the spurs fans who think that team are family members.

:cry: **** YOU NIKO! NEWARK IS COOL!!! IITS REVITALIZED! ONLY 287 MURDERS THIS MONTH!! ITS BETTER BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!

[NY-Knicks]

lol thats so funny. The Nets won ABA twice while the Knicks won NBA like several years prior to the merger. Just how many titles did the Knicks win after the merger? None. XD


ABA = NBA ?

[NY-Knicks]

I wonder what the f*ck is a Nets fan doing laughing at other teams.


thank you.

[NY-Knicks]

*cough* two championships in almost sixty years*cough*

*cough* every star player for the last decade has shitted all over knicks *cough*

*cough* just completed one of the worst decades in nba history*cough*

EDIT: almost seventy years.


and you are a fan of?

[niko]

and you are a fan of?

He's a RAPTOR fan. You know, that team whose star player erased all proof he every played there.

[NY-Knicks]

He's a RAPTOR fan. You know, that team whose star player erased all proof he every played there.


no sh-t, you serious?

[NY-Knicks]

oh wait, it's Phoenix18, one of the biggest Knick-haters on this board.

Quiz:
How many championships do you have?
0

How many Finals appearances have you had since you started in 1996?
0

How many Conference Finals appearances?
0

How many superstars have you had on your team?
2

How many got their a ss out of Toronto as quick as they could?
Just one, another one this summer.

[AMISTILLILL]

All this assumes that LeBron is thinking logically. We dont particularly know what is going through his head and what his private thinking is leading him to. If we look back to the decisions that many players made in the past, you can always say that it was the logical or the smart move. Specially since there are details that are going on in the background that we are not aware of.

Definitely, but based on our preexisting knowledge of the guy it's not a stretch to think that he'll want to be as 'hands on' as possible with whatever organization he opts to join. Something I don't think is a possibility in Miami, with guys like Riley at the helm and Wade's influence still an ever-present reality. LeBron essentially ran rough shot over the Cavaliers franchise which is something some other teams will likely have reservations over, no matter how dominant he is on the court (especially considering what kind of results that got for Cleveland in the end).

Chicago have their mind set on developing guys like Rose and Noah for the future. Snagging LeBron would effectively change the entire ethic and game plan of that team. Not to say LeBron is old but it's clear that LeBron doesn't require the same attention that Noah/Rose demand this early in their careers.

There are honestly back door arguments out of almost every team LeBrons supposedly poised to sign with. Sharing spotlight with Kobe in LA by going to the Clippers, the potential for disaster in sharing the 'go to guy' role with Wade in Miami, the shadow of MJ in Chicago. I'm in no way one of these "LeBron should go to the Knicks" types but, really, that franchise is just waiting for their storybook to be written. So much promise and so many boundless opportunities over the years only to have their dreams dashed time after time. LeBron could be the one that comes and pulls the city out of basketball obscurity by finally bringing home a ring.

Seems logical to me, even though I still don't think he'll leave Cleveland. That team will move heaven and earth to facilitate his needs and have demonstrated it time and time again.

[MAC system]

As a Bulls fan I get all giddy thinking of LeBron signing with us. We would still need a low post presence to do win it all, getting LeBron though*shivers*

[artest 93]

No one should think that he or she is a better and more credible person based on the team that they are a fan of. We all know it's easier to be a fan of a winning team, and at the end of the day we're all just fans. No need to try to be an ass in an attempt to feel more accomplished.

That said, I really like the idea of LeBron in a Bulls jersey, probably more so than a Knicks jersey. Imaging seeing Chicago in the finals again. The NBA needs (and wants) that.

[Kiddlovesnets]

thank you.

lol we suck for one or two seasons, and your team for almost a decade. ^^

[Lebron23]

I would love to see LeBron resign with the Cavs, but his team ain't winning an NBA title if Mike Brown is still the Head Coach.

[Raptors/Heat101]

He's coming to the Heat guys. Get over it. Done deal.

[PowerGlove]

oh wait, it's Phoenix18, one of the biggest Knick-haters on this board.

Quiz:
How many championships do you have?
0

How many Finals appearances have you had since you started in 1996?
0

How many Conference Finals appearances?
0

How many superstars have you had on your team?
2

How many got their a ss out of Toronto as quick as they could?
Just one, another one this summer.
:oldlol:

Lol, your franchise has been around since the days of the Toronto Huskies and still doesnt have an impressive resume. WTF have you guys been doing?

The fact that the numbers are even comparable should be enough to put you on edge.

[Undisputed]

No one should think that he or she is a better and more credible person based on the team that they are a fan of. We all know it's easier to be a fan of a winning team, and at the end of the day we're all just fans. No need to try to be an ass in an attempt to feel more accomplished.

Thank you for injecting some maturity into this thread.

[Raptors/Heat101]

:oldlol:

Lol, your franchise has been around since the days of the Toronto Huskies and still doesnt have an impressive resume. WTF have you guys been doing?

They've been sucking is all. :roll: I'd live in Toronto way before I lived in NYC. And everyone knows that Toronto sucks. :roll:

[PowerGlove]

They've been sucking is all. :roll: I'd live in Toronto way before I lived in NYC. And everyone knows that Toronto sucks. :roll:
But you live in queens?

[Raptors/Heat101]

But you live in queens?

Huh? I'm from South Dakota kid.

[Glide2keva]

The Jordan's shadow is bullshit.

If that was the case, no star would ever sign with the Yankees, Lakers, Celtics, Oilers (Edmunton), Cowboys, Steelers or any other team that has had past greatness and star players.

New stars are born and play the same franchises all the time.

He wouldn't be playing in MJ's shadow, but restoring the Bulls to potential championship status.

Sorry it's been almost 3 decades since the Knicks won anything and Chicago was directly responsible for denying them most of their chances.

I'm hoping to get him just to stick it to all of those arrogant Knick fans who have been counting down and telling everyone they are getting him all season.

And I don't even like lebron.

[Raptors/Heat101]

The Jordan's shadow is bullshit.

If that was the case, no star would ever sign with the Yankees, Lakers, Celtics, Oilers (Edmunton), Cowboys, Steelers or any other team that has had past greatness and star players.

New stars are born and play the same franchises all the time.

He wouldn't be playing in MJ's shadow, but restoring the Bulls to potential championship status.

Sorry it's been almost 3 decades since the Knicks won anything and Chicago was directly responsible for denying them most of their chances.

I'm hoping to get him just to stick it to all of those arrogant Knick fans who have been counting down and telling everyone they are getting him all season.

And I don't even like lebron.

Word. **** the Knicks.

[AMISTILLILL]

The Jordan's shadow is bullshit.

If that was the case, no star would ever sign with the Yankees, Lakers, Celtics, Oilers (Edmunton), Cowboys, Steelers or any other team that has had past greatness and star players.

New stars are born and play the same franchises all the time.

He wouldn't be playing in MJ's shadow, but restoring the Bulls to potential championship status.

Sorry it's been almost 3 decades since the Knicks won anything and Chicago was directly responsible for denying them most of their chances.

I'm hoping to get him just to stick it to all of those arrogant Knick fans who have been counting down and telling everyone they are getting him all season.

And I don't even like lebron.

Difference: Jordan, in a myriad of ways, is basketball and is synonymous with the sport. It's undeniable. The strides he made for basketball are incomparable to anything else. The same can't be said for some of those other sports franchises you listed.

[Derka]

I saw an article (forgot where) that said 3 different GMs believe Lebron will go to Chicago.

Most others believe he's staying in Cleveland and not leaving unless he's given a situation to mercenary himself out for a guaranteed title run to a real contender.

I'll take their word for it over Broussard's made-up sources.

[Raptors/Heat101]

Most others believe he's staying in Cleveland and not leaving unless he's given a situation to mercenary himself out for a guaranteed title run to a real contender.

I'll take their word for it over Broussard's made-up sources.

Chalmers
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
Shaq

Guaranteed championship. :pimp:

[Derka]

Chalmers
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
Shaq

Guaranteed championship. :pimp:

lol, k

[Andrei89]

Chalmers
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
Shaq

Guaranteed championship. :pimp:

you think?

[Bano114]

Like this means anything.

What about that time that LeBron went up to Gallo after that game at the garden and said keep getting better and keep your back healthy. He obviously wanted Gallo ready for their 2010 pairing.

If he called anyone it was Gallo, not Rose.:rockon:

In all seriousness though I doubt he made such a big decision in his life not even a week in to the proccess. He said he's going to keep his options open.

Expect LeBron to explore ALL of his options. Don't expect a choice until mid to late July.

[Raptors/Heat101]

you think?

I know my friend, I know. Go Heat!!! And Raptors!!!

[Roundball_Rock]

The Jordan's shadow is bullshit.

If that was the case, no star would ever sign with the Yankees, Lakers, Celtics, Oilers (Edmunton), Cowboys, Steelers or any other team that has had past greatness and star players.

New stars are born and play the same franchises all the time.

He wouldn't be playing in MJ's shadow, but restoring the Bulls to potential championship status.

Sorry it's been almost 3 decades since the Knicks won anything and Chicago was directly responsible for denying them most of their chances.

I'm hoping to get him just to stick it to all of those arrogant Knick fans who have been counting down and telling everyone they are getting him all season.

And I don't even like lebron.

:applause:


Difference: Jordan, in a myriad of ways, is basketball and is synonymous with the sport. It's undeniable. The strides he made for basketball are incomparable to anything else. The same can't be said for some of those other sports franchises you listed.

Jordan is one guy and the Bulls have only two all-time greats. The Yankees have how many (Ruth, Gehrig, Berra, Dimaggio, Jeter, Mantle, and the list goes on and on...) Even in basketball the Celtics and Lakers have a slew of legends. Yet Shaq did not fear the shadow of Kareem or Wilt when he went to LA. KG did not fear the legacy of Bird, McHale, Havelick, Russell, Cousy, et al. when he went to Boston. This "shadow" thing is overblown and only in the case of Jordan. Jordan retired 7 years ago and was last relevant 12 years ago. It isn't as if LJ is going to Chicago to directly replace Jordan a la Pete Myers. If anything tradition should make a player more likely to go to a team. What means more? Winning as a Yankee or Steeler or as a Marlin or a Raven?

PF Gibson
SF Lebron
C Noah
SG Allen or Miller
PG Rose

6th man Hinrich

:pimp:

[niko]

:oldlol:

Lol, your franchise has been around since the days of the Toronto Huskies and still doesnt have an impressive resume. WTF have you guys been doing?

The fact that the numbers are even comparable should be enough to put you on edge.

How is it comparable? We have titles, you don't. We have finals appearances, you don't. We have trips to conference finals, you don't. we had a miracle season where half our team got hurt and we made it to a final we had no chance of winning. That ride to the finals that was fun but had no chance at a title was greater than the best season your team ever had.

And your star player is erasing his time with your team from existence.

Be fair. Saying the raptors and Knicks have similar resume's is unfair.

[Glide2keva]

Difference: Jordan, in a myriad of ways, is basketball and is synonymous with the sport. It's undeniable. The strides he made for basketball are incomparable to anything else. The same can't be said for some of those other sports franchises you listed.
Obvously you don't know sports.

For the Yankees you have the MJ of the sport Babe Ruth.

For the Edmunton Oilers the Great One Wayne Gretzky

and on and on.

No one would sign with those teams because they would be playing in the shadows of those players.

[AMISTILLILL]

:applause:



Jordan is one guy and the Bulls have only two all-time greats. The Yankees have how many (Ruth, Gehrig, Berra, Dimaggio, Jeter, Mantle, and the list goes on and on...) Even in basketball the Celtics and Lakers have a slew of legends. Yet Shaq did not fear the shadow of Kareem or Wilt when he went to LA. KG did not fear the legacy of Bird, McHale, Havelick, Russell, Cousy, et al. when he went to Boston. This "shadow" thing is overblown and only in the case of Jordan. Jordan retired 7 years ago and was last relevant 12 years ago. It isn't as if LJ is going to Chicago to directly replace Jordan a la Pete Myers. If anything tradition should make a player more likely to go to a team. What means more? Winning as a Yankee or Steeler or as a Marlin or a Raven?

PF Gibson
SF Lebron
C Noah
SG Allen or Miller
PG Rose

6th man Hinrich

:pimp:

Visible homer agenda. Nothing to see here.

[PowerGlove]

How is it comparable? We have titles, you don't. We have finals appearances, you don't. We have trips to conference finals, you don't. we had a miracle season where half our team got hurt and we made it to a final we had no chance of winning. That ride to the finals that was fun but had no chance at a title was greater than the best season your team ever had.

And your star player is erasing his time with your team from existence.

Be fair. Saying the raptors and Knicks have similar resume's is unfair.
:sleeping

You are comparing a franchise that has been around since the BAA, to a team that was created in the nineties? You guys seriously take pride in that? Compare the Knicks to teams that have been around as long as they have? Are they near the C's? Hell no. The Lakers? Hell no. The 76ers? Hell no. As a franchise the knicks arent even better than the TrailBlazers.

Also, I said the knicks have a comparable resume with the Raptors since 1996 since that you guys have been shit since 2001. Not to mention the fact that the Raptors beat Da Knicks in 2001.

[Roundball_Rock]

Visible homer agenda. Nothing to see here.

:oldlol: at people thinking Jordan>>>>the roster of legends Boston and LA have in basketball and the legends other franchises have in other sports, most notably the Yankees in baseball. Jordan is one guy and the Bulls have a grand total of 2 all-time greats. We are seriously to believe people fear playing "in his shadow" yet people embrace playing for the Yankees, Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, Lakers, Celtics, and on and on in other sports with absolutely no mention of the far larger shadows they face?

Michael Schumacher is considered the GOAT in F1. One of the top drivers left a top team to replace him when MS retired the first time. Why? That is a direct shadow. The majority GOAT retired after nearly winning an 8th championship. You take his ride and are expected to maintain that success level. So why take it? Simple: he (Raikkonen) wanted to win! No one cared about Michael's shadow. The same thing applies to Lebron. He wants to win, not worry about some guy who retired nearly a decade ago.

Jordan shadow partisans, show us some examples from history in any sport where a superstar said he would not play/race at a particular place due to fear of a shadow--especially a long retired shadow. Thanks in advance.

[LBJMVP]

nobody thought bron was going anywhere(except delusional knicks fans)if he won the title with the cavs. now not only did he get bounced out the play offs but in the second round at that. now there's a really good chance lebron leaves and lets face it, chicago is in the best situation right now with Rose, Noah, and Deng(who we will try to move with or kirk by himself for bosh/amare/boozer).

What the hell does NY have? 2 possible max contract spots that nobody is going to because they know good and well they aren't winning a ring with only 2 good players. doesn't help that you traded your draft picks away. FA gonna be saying to themselves "if this shit dont work the first year, its REALLY not gonna work at all".

There's miami and other teams as well but the fact remains that the bulls are in the best situation. be sad :violin:

he isnt going to new york because the is like him goin to the same situation as he is in cleveland. say the sign bosh... that means he is going to a team that wont make the playoffs without him, remember bosh couldnt get toronto to the playoffs. he isnt goin to chicago to live in jordans shadow either.
But the source close to Wesley said James has not made a decision and that leaving Ohio won't be easy.

"He has a $30 million compound there and with all his friends and family there that aren't going to just leave for another city, it's not easy to just leave," the source said, pointing out that James has spent his entire life in the Akron-Cleveland area.

The source said that anyone who says what James is going to do is "lying, because he doesn't know now."

Andy Katz covers college basketball for ESPN.com. Information from Ramona Shelburne and Dave McMenamin of ESPNLosAngeles.com and The Associated Press was used in this report


he is staying in cleveland

[AMISTILLILL]

Obvously you don't know sports.

For the Yankees you have the MJ of the sport Babe Ruth.

For the Edmunton Oilers the Great One Wayne Gretzky

and on and on.

No one would sign with those teams because they would be playing in the shadows of those players.

Obviously you're a Chicago homer.

Comparing Babe Ruth to Michael Jordan? Honestly? How many baseball players do you hear fashioning their game after Babe Ruth, overseeing the same business interests or modeling their marketing and entrepreneurial endeavors after those of Babe Ruth...? Jordan took sports to a completely different level... how as a visible Bulls fan are you not acknowledging this?

Honestly can't believe the stuff some of you people come up with to add legitimacy to your arguments. Jordans imprint is still on this game seven years later and will be for years to come. Babe Ruth is a legend, but Jordans influence over basketball on a variety of levels is on a completely different plain than Babe Ruth.

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan took sports to a completely different level... how as a visible Bulls fan are you not acknowledging this?

So did Magic and Bird. Did that stop Shaq from going to LA or KG to Boston? If anything having history enhances the odds a player goes to a team. How many times have you heard players for teams like the Yankees talk about how great it is to continue a great heritage?

:oldlol: at this deification of Jordan. He was a basketball player. It isn't as if he cured cancer and walked on water. Who cares if he increased ratings? That has no relevance on Lebron.

As I mentioned, a recent example in sports exists of someone of MJ's caliber retiring and he was replaced by a superstar the very next season!

Can you name ONE example of a superstar in any sport refusing to go to a historic franchise/race team because of fear of a "shadow", especially a long retired one? Thanks in advance.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

geezz, now Michael Jordan is so Godly that another great player would not want to play for the Bulls for fear of being in his shadow?
I mean seriously!? wtf are you people thinking?

[NY-Knicks]

:oldlol:

Lol, your franchise has been around since the days of the Toronto Huskies and still doesnt have an impressive resume. WTF have you guys been doing?

The fact that the numbers are even comparable should be enough to put you on edge.

this has been a terrible time for the Knicks and we still managed to make it to the Finals while you guys couldn't get past the second round.

and it doesn't put me on an edge because I won't change teams as soon as we start loosing like a huge amount of fanboys here.

[Alhazred]

Jordan is one guy and the Bulls have only two all-time greats. The Yankees have how many (Ruth, Gehrig, Berra, Dimaggio, Jeter, Mantle, and the list goes on and on...) Even in basketball the Celtics and Lakers have a slew of legends. Yet Shaq did not fear the shadow of Kareem or Wilt when he went to LA. KG did not fear the legacy of Bird, McHale, Havelick, Russell, Cousy, et al. when he went to Boston. This "shadow" thing is overblown and only in the case of Jordan. Jordan retired 7 years ago and was last relevant 12 years ago. It isn't as if LJ is going to Chicago to directly replace Jordan a la Pete Myers. If anything tradition should make a player more likely to go to a team. What means more? Winning as a Yankee or Steeler or as a Marlin or a Raven?

PF Gibson
SF Lebron
C Noah
SG Allen or Miller
PG Rose

6th man Hinrich

:pimp:

Exactly what I was thinking. Also, let's add Kobe to the list considering he had to play in the shadows of Jerry West and Magic Johnson. Great post, man. :cheers:

[NY-Knicks]

:sleeping

You are comparing a franchise that has been around since the BAA, to a team that was created in the nineties? You guys seriously take pride in that? Compare the Knicks to teams that have been around as long as they have? Are they near the C's? Hell no. The Lakers? Hell no. The 76ers? Hell no. As a franchise the knicks arent even better than the TrailBlazers.

Also, I said the knicks have a comparable resume with the Raptors since 1996 since that you guys have been shit since 2001. Not to mention the fact that the Raptors beat Da Knicks in 2001.

yes, and where did that Playoff trip take you?
be honest now.

[niko]

Chicago is the one place he could win a title, and the reaction would be (after the initial happiness) now get us TWO more. NY would be in a coma from the partying. Miami would be happy enough. Cleveland would be in shock probably not celebrating afraid someone would take it away. All 6 net fans would jump up and down. But Chicago would yawn.

I think that's a negative.

[niko]

:sleeping

You are comparing a franchise that has been around since the BAA, to a team that was created in the nineties? You guys seriously take pride in that? Compare the Knicks to teams that have been around as long as they have? Are they near the C's? Hell no. The Lakers? Hell no. The 76ers? Hell no. As a franchise the knicks arent even better than the TrailBlazers.

Also, I said the knicks have a comparable resume with the Raptors since 1996 since that you guys have been shit since 2001. Not to mention the fact that the Raptors beat Da Knicks in 2001.

your franchise player is trying to pretend he never played there. Excuse me if i don't get how you are bashing my team. Your future is brighter? We have a better chance of your best player being on our team than on your team, the team he spent his whole career with.

Ill take my Knicks, thanks.

[Roundball_Rock]

Chicago is the one place he could win a title, and the reaction would be (after the initial happiness) now get us TWO more. NY would be in a coma from the partying. Miami would be happy enough. Cleveland would be in shock probably not celebrating afraid someone would take it away. All 6 net fans would jump up and down. But Chicago would yawn.


What is this based on? Did Boston demand KG/Pierce/Allen win 7 more and 10 more in the next 12 years because it happened before? When LA won last year were there demands for two more or else Kobe/Gasol would be considered failures? How about examples from other sports, as you should know (assuming you are a New Yorker)? The Yankees won 4 from 1996-2001. Will they be deemed failures if they do not win 3 in the next 4 years? And so on.

I find it interesting that people say a NBA ring would mean so much for NYC. You can't have it both ways, New Yorkers. NYC is the center of the universe, right? So much going on there. The GOAT baseball team, which is the defending champion, is there. They won a football title two or three years ago and had a team in the AFC title game last year. Wall Street. 8 million people. Media center. Broadway. Yet despite all this New Yorkers are pining for a championship from a team which probably ranks behind the Yankees, Giants, Mets, and Jets (certainly the Yankees and Giants) in popularity in its own metro area!?


Exactly what I was thinking. Also, let's add Kobe to the list considering he had to play in the shadows of Jerry West and Magic Johnson. Great post, man.

:cheers:

The Bulls have no history other than the Jordan-Pippen era. The notion that Chicago fans will demand 6 rings from Lebron makes no sense on logical grounds and historical grounds. The Bulls have been a joke since #23 and #33 left. Yet a ring would mean nothing to Bulls fans because from 1991-1998 the team won 6?

[InspiredLebowski]

Y'know, I didn't really think there was any silver lining in the 24/7 Lebron talk in every venue of media, but I just realized I haven't heard the name "Brett Favre" in weeks.

[niko]

What is this based on? Did Boston demand KG/Pierce/Allen win 7 more and 10 more in the next 12 years because it happened before? When LA won last year were there demands for two more or else Kobe/Gasol would be considered failures? How about examples from other sports, as you should know (assuming you are a New Yorker)? The Yankees won 4 from 1996-2001. Will they be deemed failures if they do not win 3 in the next 4 years? And so on.

I find it interesting that people say a NBA ring would mean so much for NYC. You can't have it both ways, New Yorkers. NYC is the center of the universe, right? So much going on there. The GOAT baseball team, which is the defending champion, is there. They won a football title two or three years ago and had a team in the AFC title game last year. Wall Street. 8 million people. Media center. Broadway. Yet despite all this New Yorkers are pining for a championship from a team which probably ranks behind the Yankees, Giants, Mets, and Jets (certainly the Yankees and Giants) in popularity in its own metro area!?



:cheers:

The Bulls have no history other than the Jordan-Pippen era. The notion that Chicago fans will demand 6 rings from Lebron makes no sense on logical grounds and historical grounds. The Bulls have been a joke since #23 and #33 left. Yet a ring would mean nothing to Bulls fans because from 1991-1998 the team won 6?

Not nothing. LESS. IT would also be the only situation where historically, as a player, it wouldn't carry as much wait. People want to downplay what it would mean to NY, it would mean EVERYTHING. He'd be a god. FOREVER. It's funny you mention all those teams, he'd be a bigger story than any of those things. As much as people rag on the NBA, rag on the Knicks, etc. EVERYONE in NY would be delirious about the Knicks winning a title. That last run, in the strike season, where we really didn't have a chance, the city was in total delirium.

He'd be a complete and total GOD in a city that hasn't smelled NBA success in the lifetimes of most of his fans. I'm not sure how people get that this wouldn't mean something.

The Knicks have literally SPIT in their fans face for 10 yeares, yet we have a more rabid and larger fanbase that any of the other teams you are mentioning him going to - only Bulls fans can argue otherwise.

If you follow hockey you'd get it, as Mark Messier came here, one ONCE, had one great playoff run, no success after ever and he is as huge a sports star in thsi city as you can have. And that's hockey.

[guy]

Not sure why people think someone as big as Lebron would have a problem playing in Jordan's "shadow". Do people not remember just 3 years ago Kobe was demanding a trade there?

[Funnyfuka]

I don't think Rose and LeBron are a good combo. Both like to have the ball in their hands, and like to take the ball to the rim. Neither has a great jumper. So, are they just going to take turns taking the ball to the rack? And kicking it out to shooters that they don't have?

This Bulls team, even with LeBron, still has no post presence and no shooters to spread the court. Bulls would be much better off with a guy like Bosh.

the would simply take turns at attacking the basket constantly for the whole game.

[StepDad Delonte]

That's mah boy, doing the right thang

[Knicks101]

Just saw a report on ESPN. Turns out that LeBron was just asking Rose if he had Danilo Gallinari's number.

[OnceInADECADE]

Just saw a report on ESPN. Turns out that LeBron was just asking Rose if he had Danilo Gallinari's number.

LOL CAUSE DANILO HAD THE NUMBER TO BROOK LOPEZ

[Raptors/Heat101]

LOL CAUSE DANILO HAD THE NUMBER TO BROOK LOPEZ

Lopez had SuperCoolBeas's #. :pimp:

[NY Comeback]

I love how people say "Did that stop KG from going to Boston?" "Did it stop Shaq from signing with the Lakers?"

First off....Shaq signed a Max deal in a TOP MARKET FRANCHISE. You really think Shaq gave a damn about LA's history at the time? :oldlol: And KG to Boston was just a good situation. Despite the fact that he'd be playing after greats like Bird, Russell, etc....those winning squads emphasized team work. Who would he be playing in the shadow of?

Comparing Bron to Jordan is a whole nother monster. Jordan made that franchise relevant. Period. Not by himself obviously, but he was the first really great player that team's EVER had. If LeBron did go to Chicago, he'll get scrutinized to no end. He'll look like a failure if he doesn't get a ring, and if he does they'll just say "He wasn't as good as Jordan".


Not sure why people think someone as big as Lebron would have a problem playing in Jordan's "shadow". Do people not remember just 3 years ago Kobe was demanding a trade there?
That's because Kobe literally wants to be like Jordan. The tongue, the fake, and forced jumping up and down like Jordan after last years finals...I could go on, really.

[InspiredLebowski]

If LBJ doesn't win a ring isn't he a failure regardless of where he goes?

[Undisputed]

If LBJ doesn't win a ring isn't he a failure regardless of where he goes?

Echoing my thoughts exactly. :oldlol:

[omarnyc]

lol we suck for one or two seasons, and your team for almost a decade. ^^


nobody went to yall games even when yall was winning, now the nets wanna move to brooklyn thinkin thats gonna get asses in the seats....THERE WILL STILL BE 1 TEAM IN NEW YORK

[NY Comeback]

If LBJ doesn't win a ring isn't he a failure regardless of where he goes?
No doubt. Just saying losing in Chicago really wouldn't help his case if wants to be compared to Jordan.

[thejumpa]

No doubt. Just saying losing in Chicago really wouldn't help his case if wants to be compared to Jordan.

If LeBron really wants to be compared to Jordan, he would take the Kobe route. Of course, if he wins a championship in Chicago, you will never hear the end of the idiotic MJ comments. However, at the end of the day, it's the LeBron era and not the Jordan/triangle/Phil Jackson era...that is done. At this point, he is 7 years in and has all the accolades a player could want. Forget history and go help build a championship ring to complete your legacy with.

[Roundball_Rock]

Comparing Bron to Jordan is a whole nother monster. Jordan made that franchise relevant. Period. Not by himself obviously, but he was the first really great player that team's EVER had.

So I guess the Yankees had no great players after Ruth? :roll: It is hilarious to see NEW YORK fans hyping "Jordan's shadow" when you have--as you are quick to tell everyone--the most historic franchise in all of American sports and great players flock there with no regard to the expectations and numerous "shadows."


First off....Shaq signed a Max deal in a TOP MARKET FRANCHISE. You really think Shaq gave a damn about LA's history at the time?

Yes--just like Chicago. What is your point?


Despite the fact that he'd be playing after greats like Bird, Russell, etc....those winning squads emphasized team work. Who would he be playing in the shadow of?

Yeah, and Jordan's teams did not emphasis team work?


Not sure why people think someone as big as Lebron would have a problem playing in Jordan's "shadow". Do people not remember just 3 years ago Kobe was demanding a trade there?

Excellent point. Moreover, as I have said twice already in this thread, can New Yorkers name ONE superstar in any sport who refused to go to a team because of fear over that team's history? I don't expect a response because they know no one cares about that being the home of the Yankees. The GOAT in F1 retired and the following season was replaced by a superstar. You want to talk about shadows? He directly replaced him after 5 championships from 2000-2004 and almost another one in 2006. He didn't fear the shadow. He went there because it was his best chance to win, just like Chicago is for Lebron!


Not nothing. LESS. IT would also be the only situation where historically, as a player, it wouldn't carry as much wait.

Again, based on what? Is A Rod a failure if he doesn't lead the Yankees to three more rings in the next four years like Jeter did with his 4 in 5 seasons from 1996-2001? Do you really hear that being said in NYC?

It is amusing how non-Bulls fans are telling us we what we want after enduring 12 years of at best mediocre teams and mostly lottery teams.

Only situation? Los Angeles? 3 straight from 2000-2002. 5 rings in the 80's. 4 in the 40's and 50's. Do you see anyone saying Kobe/Gasol are failures if they don't win two more?


People want to downplay what it would mean to NY, it would mean EVERYTHING.

Everything? A sports team which is the 4th or 5th most popular team in the area winning would be that big of a deal for the self-proclaimed center of the universe? This does not add up. Either New Yorkers think too highly of their city or Knicks fans are exaggerating the importance of their team to the city.


If you follow hockey you'd get it, as Mark Messier came here, one ONCE, had one great playoff run, no success after ever and he is as huge a sports star in thsi city as you can have. And that's hockey.

Fair point on Messier. I am not saying Lebron winning in NY would not be a big deal but the notion that New Yorkers are starving for the Knicks to win is false imo. The Giants won lately. The Yanks reign supreme. You aren't exactly Cleveland with no sports success. The Yankees have 5 since 96'. The Giants have 3 since 1986. The Rangers won in 94', which is decent compared to most teams. The Jets were in the AFC title game last year. The Devils have several titles as well since the mid-90's.


If LBJ doesn't win a ring isn't he a failure regardless of where he goes?

Exactly!


Just saying losing in Chicago really wouldn't help his case if wants to be compared to Jordan.

If he wants to be compared to Jordan then what better way to do so than win in Chicago?

BTW, a moment of silence for these franchises (a quick, short list):

New York Yankees: No great player after Ruth
San Fran 49'ers: Steve Young demanded a trade to the New York Jets because he feared Joe Montana's "shadow" and the 49'ers sucked from 1991 onward
Dallas Cowboys: Troy Aikman likewise feared Staubach's shadow
Richard Childress Racing: Kevin Harvick left the team because he feared the shadow of NASCAR's equivalent to Jordan (majority GOAT, lifted the sport to unprecedented levels of populartity, etc.) because he not only drove for RCR but he drove Earnhardt's old car!
Ferrari: Could not find a superstar to replace Michael Schumacher and has sucked since

Ok, so what really happened:

Yankees: 27 rings!
49'ers: Remained championship contenders after Montana left until 2002, had two Pro Bowl QB's (Young, a HOFer, and Garcia)
Cowboys: 3 rings in the 90's and Romo does not fear their legacy
RCR: Harvick leads the NASCAR standings in Earnhardt's car!!!
Ferrari: Replaced MS with the top free agency available (who won a championship with Ferrari) and then replaced that guy with a 2x champion. Why? Ferrari is to racing what the Yankees are to baseball. People want to become part of that legacy...

[YAWN]

Spam removed This has been on the front of InsideHoops and our rumors page all day. If you open your ****ing eyes and click "NBA RUMORS" at the top right of any of these forum pages, you can get to the insidehoops rumors page. It's not that ****ing difficult

what was in the OP before it was edited?

[InspiredLebowski]

what was in the OP before it was edited?
A link to a Sporting News article and him calling non-Bulls fans scared or something if I remember right. Steve must be at the insidehoops controls, pretty professional edit.

[Raptors/Heat101]

So I guess the Yankees had no great players after Ruth? :roll: It is hilarious to see NEW YORK fans hyping "Jordan's shadow" when you have--as you are quick to tell everyone--the most historic franchise in all of American sports and great players flock there with no regard to the expectations and numerous "shadows."



Yes--just like Chicago. What is your point?



Yeah, and Jordan's teams did not emphasis team work?



Excellent point. Moreover, as I have said twice already in this thread, can New Yorkers name ONE superstar in any sport who refused to go to a team because of fear over that team's history? I don't expect a response because they know no one cares about that being the home of the Yankees. The GOAT in F1 retired and the following season was replaced by a superstar. You want to talk about shadows? He directly replaced him after 5 championships from 2000-2004 and almost another one in 2006. He didn't fear the shadow. He went there because it was his best chance to win, just like Chicago is for Lebron!



Again, based on what? Is A Rod a failure if he doesn't lead the Yankees to three more rings in the next four years like Jeter did with his 4 in 5 seasons from 1996-2001? Do you really hear that being said in NYC?

It is amusing how non-Bulls fans are telling us we what we want after enduring 12 years of at best mediocre teams and mostly lottery teams.

Only situation? Los Angeles? 3 straight from 2000-2002. 5 rings in the 80's. 4 in the 40's and 50's. Do you see anyone saying Kobe/Gasol are failures if they don't win two more?



Everything? A sports team which is the 4th or 5th most popular team in the area winning would be that big of a deal for the self-proclaimed center of the universe? This does not add up. Either New Yorkers think too highly of their city or Knicks fans are exaggerating the importance of their team to the city.



Fair point on Messier. I am not saying Lebron winning in NY would not be a big deal but the notion that New Yorkers are starving for the Knicks to win is false imo. The Giants won lately. The Yanks reign supreme. You aren't exactly Cleveland with no sports success. The Yankees have 5 since 96'. The Giants have 3 since 1986. The Rangers won in 94', which is decent compared to most teams. The Jets were in the AFC title game last year. The Devils have several titles as well since the mid-90's.



Exactly!



If he wants to be compared to Jordan then what better way to do so than win in Chicago?

BTW, a moment of silence for these franchises (a quick, short list):

New York Yankees: No great player after Ruth
San Fran 49'ers: Steve Young demanded a trade to the New York Jets because he feared Joe Montana's "shadow" and the 49'ers sucked from 1991 onward
Dallas Cowboys: Troy Aikman likewise feared Staubach's shadow
Richard Childress Racing: Kevin Harvick left the team because he feared the shadow of NASCAR's equivalent to Jordan (majority GOAT, lifted the sport to unprecedented levels of populartity, etc.) because he not only drove for RCR but he drove Earnhardt's old car!
Ferrari: Could not find a superstar to replace Michael Schumacher and has sucked since

Ok, so what really happened:

Yankees: 27 rings!
49'ers: Remained championship contenders after Montana left until 2002, had two Pro Bowl QB's (Young, a HOFer, and Garcia)
Cowboys: 3 rings in the 90's and Romo does not fear their legacy
RCR: Harvick leads the NASCAR standings in Earnhardt's car!!!
Ferrari: Replaced MS with the top free agency available (who won a championship with Ferrari) and then replaced that guy with a 2x champion. Why? Ferrari is to racing what the Yankees are to baseball. People want to become part of that legacy...

You're getting your hopes up too much. It's going to crush you when LeBron comes to the Heat. :banana:

[Glide2keva]

So I guess the Yankees had no great players after Ruth? :roll: It is hilarious to see NEW YORK fans hyping "Jordan's shadow" when you have--as you are quick to tell everyone--the most historic franchise in all of American sports and great players flock there with no regard to the expectations and numerous "shadows."



Yes--just like Chicago. What is your point?



Yeah, and Jordan's teams did not emphasis team work?



Excellent point. Moreover, as I have said twice already in this thread, can New Yorkers name ONE superstar in any sport who refused to go to a team because of fear over that team's history? I don't expect a response because they know no one cares about that being the home of the Yankees. The GOAT in F1 retired and the following season was replaced by a superstar. You want to talk about shadows? He directly replaced him after 5 championships from 2000-2004 and almost another one in 2006. He didn't fear the shadow. He went there because it was his best chance to win, just like Chicago is for Lebron!



Again, based on what? Is A Rod a failure if he doesn't lead the Yankees to three more rings in the next four years like Jeter did with his 4 in 5 seasons from 1996-2001? Do you really hear that being said in NYC?

It is amusing how non-Bulls fans are telling us we what we want after enduring 12 years of at best mediocre teams and mostly lottery teams.

Only situation? Los Angeles? 3 straight from 2000-2002. 5 rings in the 80's. 4 in the 40's and 50's. Do you see anyone saying Kobe/Gasol are failures if they don't win two more?



Everything? A sports team which is the 4th or 5th most popular team in the area winning would be that big of a deal for the self-proclaimed center of the universe? This does not add up. Either New Yorkers think too highly of their city or Knicks fans are exaggerating the importance of their team to the city.



Fair point on Messier. I am not saying Lebron winning in NY would not be a big deal but the notion that New Yorkers are starving for the Knicks to win is false imo. The Giants won lately. The Yanks reign supreme. You aren't exactly Cleveland with no sports success. The Yankees have 5 since 96'. The Giants have 3 since 1986. The Rangers won in 94', which is decent compared to most teams. The Jets were in the AFC title game last year. The Devils have several titles as well since the mid-90's.



Exactly!



If he wants to be compared to Jordan then what better way to do so than win in Chicago?

BTW, a moment of silence for these franchises (a quick, short list):

New York Yankees: No great player after Ruth
San Fran 49'ers: Steve Young demanded a trade to the New York Jets because he feared Joe Montana's "shadow" and the 49'ers sucked from 1991 onward
Dallas Cowboys: Troy Aikman likewise feared Staubach's shadow
Richard Childress Racing: Kevin Harvick left the team because he feared the shadow of NASCAR's equivalent to Jordan (majority GOAT, lifted the sport to unprecedented levels of populartity, etc.) because he not only drove for RCR but he drove Earnhardt's old car!
Ferrari: Could not find a superstar to replace Michael Schumacher and has sucked since

Ok, so what really happened:

Yankees: 27 rings!
49'ers: Remained championship contenders after Montana left until 2002, had two Pro Bowl QB's (Young, a HOFer, and Garcia)
Cowboys: 3 rings in the 90's and Romo does not fear their legacy
RCR: Harvick leads the NASCAR standings in Earnhardt's car!!!
Ferrari: Replaced MS with the top free agency available (who won a championship with Ferrari) and then replaced that guy with a 2x champion. Why? Ferrari is to racing what the Yankees are to baseball. People want to become part of that legacy...
This is completely on point.

[Kiddlovesnets]

i may be an idiot but you're a nets fan... :lol

you people really catch feelings - i've never called anyone an idiot, asshole, etc. for hating on my team. they are the SPORTS team i follow. Not my family. If you bumped into one of those guys in the street they wouldn't know, care, or pick you up if you fell down. Get a grip here. You sound like the spurs fans who think that team are family members.

:cry: **** YOU NIKO! NEWARK IS COOL!!! IITS REVITALIZED! ONLY 287 MURDERS THIS MONTH!! ITS BETTER BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!

hehe the idiot replies. XD

I may be the worst poster on ISH, but you are a Knicks fan, and your franchise has been the most embarrassing one among the entire NBA since 2000s.

And again, you are trashing Newark to support your garbage opinion. Who cares about Newark, we aint even gonna stay there for long. XD

[AMISTILLILL]

This is completely on point.

Shocking... two Bulls fans agreeing with one another.

[Glide2keva]

Shocking... two Bulls fans agreeing with one another.
Obviously you don't know that me and roundball hardly ever agree on anything.

EVER!

He'll tell you himself.

[niko]

hehe the idiot replies. XD

I may be the worst poster on ISH, but you are a Knicks fan, and your franchise has been the most embarrassing one among the entire NBA since 2000s.

And again, you are trashing Newark to support your garbage opinion. Who cares about Newark, we aint even gonna stay there for long. XD

and move to my area, brooklyn. :D where i can drive over and see games...

BTW, What is your problem? I never called you stupid. You are catching feelings over a nba team. Get a life dude. And i cant make fun of Newark? LIke people who live in jersey dont?

[Glide2keva]

I think Knick fans are worried because from the start of the 2008-09 season, all that they've been talking about was lebron coming to NY.

All the stars were seeming to align for it to happen, they tanked two seasons, traded for cap space, all with this summer in mind.

The fans were all making avatars, posters, photoshop pics, and cutom jerseys with "James" 23, or King James on the backs of them. Their whole reason for existing was lebron coming there. There was no other talk of anyone else suiting up, just lebron.

They were cocky, arrogant and surprisingly more obnoxious than NY'ers can be, and that's saying something.

Now all of a sudden, they aren't the favorites anymore and the possibility of him not going to NY is real strong, and they can't handle it.

[Alhazred]

The Bulls have no history other than the Jordan-Pippen era. The notion that Chicago fans will demand 6 rings from Lebron makes no sense on logical grounds and historical grounds. The Bulls have been a joke since #23 and #33 left. Yet a ring would mean nothing to Bulls fans because from 1991-1998 the team won 6?

Yep, The Bulls were certainly awful after the 98 team disbanded. They went from being a team that won 62 games and the championship to being no better than the Clippers over a single off-season. Did anybody besides me watch the 99 Bulls? It was heart-breaking having to watch the defending champs get slaughtered like that. Not to mention all of the draft busts like Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler and Jayson Williams over the next few years. Also, think about this: their best season in the past 12 years was when they won 49 games and lost in the second round. Even if Lebron doesn't win a ring with the Bulls(which I doubt), at least Bulls fans can actually revel in the fact that they finally have a team that can actually be considered a title contender again.

Also, I want to see how a Lebron-Rose duo works out. I'm predicting at least 1 or 2 championships if he joins the team.

[niko]

I think Knick fans are worried because from the start of the 2008-09 season, all that they've been talking about was lebron coming to NY.

All the stars were seeming to align for it to happen, they tanked two seasons, traded for cap space, all with this summer in mind.

The fans were all making avatars, posters, photoshop pics, and cutom jerseys with "James" 23, or King James on the backs of them. Their whole reason for existing was lebron coming there. There was no other talk of anyone else suiting up, just lebron.

They were cocky, arrogant and surprisingly more obnoxious than NY'ers can be, and that's saying something.

Now all of a sudden, they aren't the favorites anymore and the possibility of him not going to NY is real strong, and they can't handle it.

im totally fine. the logic the lebron moving started with was that he could move to a new team with a 2nd of the big free agents. That's us or Miami. We also can offer him the young big, where Miami, it's a better player (wade IMO) but not a big. I also see what Chicago offers. Knicks fans are realistic, we think we have a chance. Bulls fans on this board are 100% convinced he's coming based on CHris Broussard misinterpeting Lebron and his posse doing Calipari a solid and spreading rumors so he can squeeze Kentucky for more money.

[guy]

As a Bulls fan, I would love to have Lebron obviously. But I must say, I'd honestly feel kind of bad for Cavs fans. The sadness and fear of the possibility of him leaving their city is alot stronger then I expected. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel bad enough that I wouldn't want Lebron to come to the Bulls. I'm just saying I don't think there's ever been one city so attached to a specific athlete, at least not in my lifetime. You can attribute that to the fact that its Cleveland and not a big city like New York, Chicago, Boston, or LA, but thats still what it is.

Anyway, I'm surprised no one has pointed out how fitting it is that Lebron might come to Chicago. No one has pointed out that no team has tormented the Cavs as much as the Chicago Bulls. No player has tormented the Cavs as much as Michael Jordan. Think about how much worse it would be for Cavs fans if the one great player of their franchise that has come closest to Jordan and could make them forget about those days ended up leaving to JOIN the Bulls. In this case, the Bulls would give the Cavs a bigger blow then they ever did on the court.

With all that said, I'm not getting my hopes up. In fact, if I had to make a bet, I'd probably go with him STILL being a Cav, although I do think the chances of him leaving are greater and the chances of him coming to the Bulls are greater.

[OneMoreSucka]

One of my sources told me Lebron was going to play for the LA Sparks

[Raptors/Heat101]

One of my sources told me Lebron was going to play for the LA Sparks

He doesn't want to play in Candace Parker's shadow.

[burnsy87]

fact: chicago makes an inferior deep dish pizza
fact: chicago can't hold nyc's jockstrap


Is this a joke?

Lou Malnati's.

End of story.

[strike first]

Is this a joke?

Lou Malnati's.

End of story.

x2 literally the best deep dish pizza I've ever tasted in my life

[juju151111]

I agree with round. Why does it matter if the bulls had chips before?? Was Larry bird scared to go to celtics because of Russell. This is complete nonesense.

[burnsy87]

I don't think Rose and LeBron are a good combo. Both like to have the ball in their hands, and like to take the ball to the rim. Neither has a great jumper. So, are they just going to take turns taking the ball to the rack? And kicking it out to shooters that they don't have?

This Bulls team, even with LeBron, still has no post presence and no shooters to spread the court. Bulls would be much better off with a guy like Bosh.

Derrick Rose has one of the best jumpers at the point guard position in the entire league. Please stop listening to the idiots that say otherwise.

[burnsy87]

They've been sucking is all. :roll: I'd live in Toronto way before I lived in NYC. And everyone knows that Toronto sucks. :roll:

Actually, Toronto is heralded as one of the nicer cities to live in.

[burnsy87]

Difference: Jordan, in a myriad of ways, is basketball and is synonymous with the sport. It's undeniable. The strides he made for basketball are incomparable to anything else. The same can't be said for some of those other sports franchises you listed.

Walter Payton is known as one of if not the greatest athlete/running back of all time. People aren't afraid to be a running back here.

People know what LeBron is now. He is not coming here with 4 rings already, with expectations to bring another 6 to Chicago.

[burnsy87]

Chicago is the one place he could win a title, and the reaction would be (after the initial happiness) now get us TWO more. NY would be in a coma from the partying. Miami would be happy enough. Cleveland would be in shock probably not celebrating afraid someone would take it away. All 6 net fans would jump up and down. But Chicago would yawn.

I think that's a negative.

Yeah, one of the most loyal fan bases in all of sports would yawn when we won a championship.

[burnsy87]

If LBJ doesn't win a ring isn't he a failure regardless of where he goes?

Exactly, hes being compared to Jordan his whole career so far and will be into the future.

The only thing he'll get in New York is "hes better than Ewing"

[Clocian-IGN]

damit wrong thread

[bagelred]

Yeah, that's it. I'm upset about something that hasn't even happened. Do me a favor and explain to me what has changed in the last week that made the Bulls go from having 0 chance of getting LeBron to them becoming the favorites.

Knicks101, you obviously don't understand.

If Chris Bouuusanard says something, it must be true. Duh!!!!!!

[Go Getter]

You can say what you want about my Bulls...

Say Rose isn't a PG and he can't shoot.

Make fun of Noah's hair.

Talk shit about Kraise and the BREAKUP OF OUR DYNASTY.

But never...eva eva eva eva talk shit about Chicago Pizza.

If you've never tagged your name in a Gino's or tasted the pizza perfection that is Homerun Inn, Beggars, Chicago Dough, or Aurelio's....you cannot claim to be a pizza expert!

[OrlandoAnderson]

nobody thought bron was going anywhere(except delusional knicks fans)if he won the title with the cavs. now not only did he get bounced out the play offs but in the second round at that. now there's a really good chance lebron leaves and lets face it, chicago is in the best situation right now with Rose, Noah, and Deng(who we will try to move with or kirk by himself for bosh/amare/boozer).

What the hell does NY have? 2 possible max contract spots that nobody is going to because they know good and well they aren't winning a ring with only 2 good players. doesn't help that you traded your draft picks away. FA gonna be saying to themselves "if this shit dont work the first year, its REALLY not gonna work at all".

There's miami and other teams as well but the fact remains that the bulls are in the best situation. be sad :violin:

sweet story gimp

[jdem]

You can say what you want about my Bulls...

Say Rose isn't a PG and he can't shoot.

Make fun of Noah's hair.

Talk shit about Kraise and the BREAKUP OF OUR DYNASTY.

But never...eva eva eva eva talk shit about Chicago Pizza.

If you've never tagged your name in a Gino's or tasted the pizza perfection that is Homerun Inn, Beggars, Chicago Dough, or Aurelio's....you cannot claim to be a pizza expert!

Deep dish chicago pizza sucks. It is not real pizza. NYC pizza or Italian pizza napoletana is the truth and you can't find a decent slice outside of NYC/CT. I'd rather have lasagna than Chicago pizza because that's basically what it is.

[OneMoreSucka]

I don't mind Chicago pizza but it really isn't even pizza. If you can't eat it with your hands, what's the point.

[burnsy87]

Deep dish chicago pizza sucks. It is not real pizza. NYC pizza or Italian pizza napoletana is the truth and you can't find a decent slice outside of NYC/CT. I'd rather have lasagna than Chicago pizza because that's basically what it is.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thats why people around the country pay to have Lou Malnati's pizzas DELIVERED to them from Illinois.

The pizza must be awful if people in Cali are ordering it from halfway across the country.

[burnsy87]

I don't mind Chicago pizza but it really isn't even pizza. If you can't eat it with your hands, what's the point.

To eat it. Because its ****ing delicious.

[jdem]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Thats why people around the country pay to have Lou Malnati's pizzas DELIVERED to them from Illinois.

The pizza must be awful if people in Cali are ordering it from halfway across the country.

And people fly to NY just to get Patsy's, Johnny's, DiFara's, John's, etc so what is your point? Chicago "pizza" is a mess, glorified lasagna...

[NY Comeback]

The only thing he'll get in New York is "hes better than Ewing"
Are you serious?

[jdem]

Man I could kill for a slice of coal fired Patsy's

http://www.passion-4-pizza.com/images/patsys-pizza.jpg

Look at this disgusting mess, this isn't pizza.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_91tGKDBeG6w/Sf_fRFu3tGI/AAAAAAAAAgM/kLDHqWQOG9M/s400/Vegan+Deep+Dish+Pizza.JPG

I'm from LA and while our pizza sucks ass, it lets me be an objective third party...

[Roundball_Rock]

I think Knick fans are worried because from the start of the 2008-09 season, all that they've been talking about was lebron coming to NY.

All the stars were seeming to align for it to happen, they tanked two seasons, traded for cap space, all with this summer in mind.

The fans were all making avatars, posters, photoshop pics, and cutom jerseys with "James" 23, or King James on the backs of them. Their whole reason for existing was lebron coming there. There was no other talk of anyone else suiting up, just lebron.

They were cocky, arrogant and surprisingly more obnoxious than NY'ers can be, and that's saying something.

Now all of a sudden, they aren't the favorites anymore and the possibility of him not going to NY is real strong, and they can't handle it.

QFT :applause:

:oldlol: at the Knicks possibly tanking two seasons for Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer.


Also, think about this: their best season in the past 12 years was when they won 49 games and lost in the second round. Even if Lebron doesn't win a ring with the Bulls(which I doubt), at least Bulls fans can actually revel in the fact that they finally have a team that can actually be considered a title contender again.


Exactly. :applause:


I'm just saying I don't think there's ever been one city so attached to a specific athlete, at least not in my lifetime.

That scares me. Cleveland. Almost half a million people in the city. Yet they are acting as if their wife is leaving them when it comes to Lebron? He is a basketball player. Yeah, their team is shot without him but there has to be more going on in a city of half a million people. Cleveland is not as "small" as people think anyway.

Population of selected major cities

Cleveland 433k
Miami 413k
Oakland 404k
Minneapolis 382k
New Orleons 336k
Pittsburgh 310k

It is not exactly a hamlet!



With all that said, I'm not getting my hopes up. In fact, if I had to make a bet, I'd probably go with him STILL being a Cav, although I do think the chances of him leaving are greater and the chances of him coming to the Bulls are greater.

Neither am I. The encouraging thing is the evidently now widespread recognition among players, league insiders, and the media that Chicago provides the best chance to win for a free agent. Chicago being the third largest city in the nation is only icing on the cake. If we don't get Lebron we will certainly get at least one of the "big four" free agents out of Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Amare.


He doesn't want to play in Candace Parker's shadow.

:lol :cheers:


Are you serious?

If he winds up ringless, yes. The flip side to possibly saving basketball in New York is if he fails to deliver a ring he will never hear the end of it. See Ewing, "basketball is back in New York" Patrick...

[burnsy87]

Man I could kill for a slice of coal fired Patsy's

http://www.passion-4-pizza.com/images/patsys-pizza.jpg

Look at this disgusting mess, this isn't pizza.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_91tGKDBeG6w/Sf_fRFu3tGI/AAAAAAAAAgM/kLDHqWQOG9M/s400/Vegan+Deep+Dish+Pizza.JPG

I'm from LA and while our pizza sucks ass, it lets me be an objective third party...


Where the hell is that second pizza from?

I have had a hell of a lot of deep dish pizza and I have never seen one that looked like that.

http://devel.icarrots.com/image_prod/29500.jpg

That is what most deep dish pizzas look like.

[Dudley]

You can say what you want about my Bulls...

Say Rose isn't a PG and he can't shoot.

Make fun of Noah's hair.

Talk shit about Kraise and the BREAKUP OF OUR DYNASTY.

But never...eva eva eva eva talk shit about Chicago Pizza.

If you've never tagged your name in a Gino's or tasted the pizza perfection that is Homerun Inn, Beggars, Chicago Dough, or Aurelio's....you cannot claim to be a pizza expert!

I actually saw a show on TV comparing the two pizzas. After watching the TV show for a straight hour, I can easy say that NYC pizza > Chicago. Chicago's pizza is way too thick for me.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Pizzeria Uno's Chicago Grill does indeed serve the best pizza.

[jdem]

I actually saw a show on TV comparing the two pizzas. After watching the TV show for a straight hour, I can easy say that NYC pizza > Chicago. Chicago's pizza is way too thick for me.

Chicago has better hot dogs NYC has better pizza

[Pharcyde]

Just a few more weeks of this and we will be done. This board might explode in the mean time.

[burnsy87]

Chicago has better hot dogs NYC has better pizza


Just a question...does everyone east or west of us think that Chicago only serves deep dish pizza? This is a serious question.


Pizzerias like Giordanos, Lou Malnatis, and Braconis serve some amazing thin crust.

Anyhow, I think it's interesting how when anyone talks about Chicago pizza, they speak as if there is only deep dish.

[elaments]

Man I could kill for a slice of coal fired Patsy's

http://www.passion-4-pizza.com/images/patsys-pizza.jpg

Look at this disgusting mess, this isn't pizza.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_91tGKDBeG6w/Sf_fRFu3tGI/AAAAAAAAAgM/kLDHqWQOG9M/s400/Vegan+Deep+Dish+Pizza.JPG

I'm from LA and while our pizza sucks ass, it lets me be an objective third party...

So were suppose to take Pizza advice from someone whose from LA... :rolleyes:

Just because your baby hands can't hold a real slice of pizza doesn't mean it's bad.

[jdem]

Just a question...does everyone east or west of us think that Chicago only serves deep dish pizza? This is a serious question.


Pizzerias like Giordanos, Lou Malnatis, and Braconis serve some amazing thin crust.

Anyhow, I think it's interesting how when anyone talks about Chicago pizza, they speak as if there is only deep dish.

Because deep dish is your claim to fame pizza and your traditional/thin crust is mediocre. You guys don't do peel-to-brick at 800+degrees in a coal oven and put WAY too much toppings on your "regular" pizza. I've eaten at all these places and everything I've had in chicago (with the exception of deep dish) can be replicated everywhere else in the country and it is. NYC pizza is unique to NYC even though it's basic. I don't know if it's the air, the yeast, the water, who cares, it's the best.

[jdem]

So were suppose to take Pizza advice from someone whose from LA... :rolleyes:

Just because your baby hands can't hold a real slice of pizza doesn't mean it's bad.

I'm from LA but I travel 20K+ miles per year domestically I've eaten at all the big-name places.

[Blue&Orange]

lol another fail of a thread

Knicks fans have been joked around for believing Lebron could joined the Knicks when all the media everywhere back it up as a strong possibility, and gave solid reasons why.

Now some chicago a-hole, that's right, nobody else, says Lebron will go to the bulls, back it up with a stupid story, phone calls and gears, so stupid that himself in his story says it doesn't make sense, and we see bulls fans acting like morons, taking for granted Lebron will join the bulls and who are the bad guys again, knicks fans...

[elaments]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FwtqJwZ9XvM/S6zEGPA3E1I/AAAAAAAAAEc/BBVLUT_rCDA/s1600/small+hands.jpg

[jdem]

You got it all wrong element. Chicagoans don't eat pizza with forks because their hands are small, it's because their pizza is more like lasagna than anything else. Who would eat lasagna with their hands?

[guy]

Neither am I. The encouraging thing is the evidently now widespread recognition among players, league insiders, and the media that Chicago provides the best chance to win for a free agent. Chicago being the third largest city in the nation is only icing on the cake. If we don't get Lebron we will certainly get at least one of the "big four" free agents out of Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Amare.


Although I'm excited about the offseason, I'm going to try to not get my hopes up for even that. Out of the big 4, the only one that is guaranteed to leave there teams is Bosh IMO. Even with all the speculation, I think there's a good chance Lebron still stays. The Heat have a good chance of attracting another free agent that will entice Wade to resign, such as Bosh, Boozer, or Lee. And although it looked very unlikely earlier this season, with all of the Suns' recent succcess, there's a good chance Amare stays. If Bosh goes elsewhere, such as Miami, the Bulls are shit out of luck, maybe overpaying someone.

[Go Getter]

You got it all wrong element. Chicagoans don't eat pizza with forks because their hands are small, it's because their pizza is more like lasagna than anything else. Who would eat lasagna with their hands?


Deep dish is just a calling card.

If you're ever in Chicago try Homerun Inn

http://www.andrewstamm.com/PizzaClub/20060301_HomeRunInn_05.JPG

or Aurelio's

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2634100381_2537347ba9.jpg

[jasonresno]

I'm from the Chicago area but I love the big and thin NYC style pizza.

Ostracize me fellow Chicagoans. I've earned it :/

[Go Getter]

I'm from the Chicago area but I love the big and thin NYC style pizza.

Ostracize me fellow Chicagoans. I've earned it :/


For SHAME! Go over there in the corner and sit next to Bartman.:lol

[Dengness9]

[\quote]Chicago have their mind set on developing guys like Rose and Noah for the future. Snagging LeBron would effectively change the entire ethic and game plan of that team. Not to say LeBron is old but it's clear that LeBron doesn't require the same attention that Noah/Rose demand this early in their careers.

There are honestly back door arguments out of almost every team LeBrons supposedly poised to sign with. Sharing spotlight with Kobe in LA by going to the Clippers, the potential for disaster in sharing the 'go to guy' role with Wade in Miami, the shadow of MJ in Chicago. I'm in no way one of these "LeBron should go to the Knicks" types but, really, that franchise is just waiting for their storybook to be written. So much promise and so many boundless opportunities over the years only to have their dreams dashed time after time. LeBron could be the one that comes and pulls the city out of basketball obscurity by finally bringing home a ring.

Seems logical to me, even though I still don't think he'll leave Cleveland. That team will move heaven and earth to facilitate his needs and have demonstrated it time and time again.[/QUOTE]


Man honestly this is the post that finally made me sick. If you wanna lobby for the Knicks getting Lebron, I get it, I'm doing the same thing for my Bulls. But give me a ****ing break with this BS.


Rose and Noah demand some super special attention??!! Why? because they really did that by giving Rose a rookie coach(0 exp on any level) for his first 2 years of his career? Did it stop him from becoming an all-star by the age of 21? Rose is a superstar blooming, he will be fine on his own. And this will be Noah's 4th year upcoming at the age of 24 years old. The guy has played for 3 different coaches in 3 seasons but has also budded as a major piece to a championship team. Joakim is what he is and also doesn't need much "extra" developing. He will continue to do what he has done his whole career, rebound, play D, outhustle(everybody), energy, leadership. Alot of his offensive will come off rebounds and dumpoffs but Noah is a skilled passer as well.

Don't talk out your ass saying "i'm not sayin Lebron is old but....."

I don't care what your argument is, NO, your wrong. Dude is 25 years old. He is young and entering the "prime years" of his career.

Entering Lebron with Rose and Noah instantly makes all 3 of those players better than they currently are now, even LBJ.

Read this carefully. Rose is what the Cavs don't and never have had paired with Lebron. A TRUE All-star who demands a double team, constantly. Mo Williams is not and will never be that, Jamison has made a few allstar games but we all saw that he isn't a dominant force that requires a dbl team and he's only getting older. The notion that Rose can't shoot is mind boggling. He has one of the best mid range j's statistically after year 2, and he started shooting 3's for the last month and the post season. Defense and 3 point shooting are the absolute focus of his summer, and once he has a good 3 ball it's OVER.

And your another one with the MJ shadow thing.

Trust that it already occurred to me you have never looked at it the other way around. Did you ever think that Lebron would be lucky to restore the Bulls as a superpower in the NBA? HE WILL BE COMPARED TO MJ NO MATTER WHERE HE PLAYS. He has been compared to MJ since he was at St Vincent St Mary. It will never stop. As long as he is looked at as the best player in the L he will continue to be compared.

And the fact that Lebron is beginning to fall into the category of best not to win it....??

You think he gives a **** about MJ's shadow? No, he wants a CHIP, to get that king kong gorilla off his back. And if he believes that his best chance to win, and not saying it's his opinion*, is in Chicago, then that's where he's gonna go because it's all about winning.

Hell he will love being compared to MJ if it means he gets that precious 1st title in his trophy case to go with those MVP's that mean ALOT less than they should til he proves can win it all. That's real talk right there no matter what you think of my opinion.

Shit got a lot realer for Lebron. Eveything else has to take a backseat. He needs to choose his destination based on where he can possibly have a dynasty but also win right away. He at the moment, if he's committed to winning, will not focus on becoming the 1st billionaire ballplayer, going to the biggest market even if he loves the city,worrying about playing in the shadow of a former player, or even as KG spoke of, letting loyalty hurt him and rob him of his youth.

BTW, Lebron's "Team" is literally the word he uses to describe his agent,advisors,friends, business partners, etc. And the guy who tweeted that people in his "team" were wearing bulls gear is Will Burge from ESPN radio in Cleveland amongst other things.

All I can say about Lebron calling Rose is that my Chicago suburbs newspaper said they didn't print it til it was confirmed by an NBA source. That news had already been broken by Scoop Jackson damn near a week before most Chicago papers printed it. I obviously don't know if it's true but it certainly now appears to be.

If it is true, then there's a great chance Lebron is favoring the Bulls and combining super powers w/ Rose.

[cotdt]

you guys do realize that Rose is the name of Lebron's agent, right?

[ShaqAttack3234]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
come get some new yawker.

Brooklyn Pizza>>>>>Chicago Pizza

And as talented as they'd be, I'm not sold on a Lebron/Rose duo. Lebron is the better playmaker, but Lebron would have a much better chance of being effective off the ball. I couldn't see Rose being nearly as good without the ball in his hands a lot. It'd be an adjustment for Lebron as well.

[Go Getter]

Aren't we supposed to discuss the nba rumors, even if they are on the rumors page?


I wasn't going to say anything but.....this makes sense....:oldlol:

[Dengness9]

Brooklyn Pizza>>>>>Chicago Pizza

And as talented as they'd be, I'm not sold on a Lebron/Rose duo. Lebron is the better playmaker, but Lebron would have a much better chance of being effective off the ball. I couldn't see Rose being nearly as good without the ball in his hands a lot. It'd be an adjustment for Lebron as well.


When both players demand dbl teams all game, that equals wide open looks for eachother, which also equals wide open looks for everybody. And think about how much easier it would be for the 3rd thru 5th options in Deng,Noah,and Hinrich.

It is truly unreal how many people don't understand how unbelievable those 2 would be 2gether. Both are dominant freaks of nature who also love to share and make their teammates better.

Apparently it's too powerful a combo for some to envision working. Otherwise I don't get it or really wanna understand why you would think they'd be anything but unstoppable together.

[Go Getter]

Apparently it's too powerful a combo for some to envision working. Otherwise I don't get it or really wanna understand why you would think they'd be anything but unstoppable together.


Deng, that was a good post [pun intended]:cheers:

[ShaqAttack3234]

When both players demand dbl teams all game, that equals wide open looks for eachother, which also equals wide open looks for everybody. And think about how much easier it would be for the 3rd thru 5th options in Deng,Noah,and Hinrich.

It is truly unreal how many people don't understand how unbelievable those 2 would be 2gether. Both are dominant freaks of nature who also love to share and make their teammates better.

Apparently it's too powerful a combo for some to envision working. Otherwise I don't get it or really wanna understand why you would think they'd be anything but unstoppable together.

Because then you'd have to have a shooting PF and a shooting specialist at shooting guard, plus what are Lebron and Rose going to be doing when they don't have the ball in their hands? And when would they be playing a lineup of Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Lebron-Noah? That would give them just one 3 point shooter and they'd be undersized.

[monkeypox]

After eating a chicago deep dish pizza and a chicago hot dog, I came to the conclusion that people from chicago like bread.

I think being in MJ's shadow is a bit different from say the shadow of the Laker greats or the Celtic greats. In the case of those two, you have a lineage of great players with varying levels of skill and success, so you can kind of proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with them without having to be the best. With MJ and the Bulls, he cuts a very singular figure with the franchise with an almost impossible resume to compare to. Considering how hard it is to win a title, for LeBron it's almost guaranteed failure if his goal is to be the greatest in the franchise. I suppose if he chose to think about it that way, he would be last place in the pantheon of Bull greats, but only because he was the only one.

But like someone said, we don't know what LeBron is thinking and what his goal is when moving teams. Does he want to jump on board an already built team to sort of coattail from the front? Does he want to be the most famous player in the NBA and build his own team? Is he mostly interested in the type of pizza he can get? We really don't know, so it's hard to say at this point if any team is necessarily out of the running at this point.

Heck, if the Jazz get the 1st pick they could get Wall, and whether they trade or keep him, have a pretty dominating team. A team that got just as far as his did in the playoffs this year in a more difficult conference. If he really just wanted to plug in to a team and win he could go there! (Ok, not really.) We just don't know.

[burnsy87]

You got it all wrong element. Chicagoans don't eat pizza with forks because their hands are small, it's because their pizza is more like lasagna than anything else. Who would eat lasagna with their hands?

LOL at you thinking all deep dish pizza is 9 inches thick like the picture shown above.

most deep dish pizza can be eaten with your hands, given they are bigger than the guy from the BK commercials.

Once again. Deep dish from Lou's or Giordanos is some of the best pizza you will ever eat.

Then again, you guys have watched tv about the pizza, so who are we to say whats good, we've only been eating it for the last couple decades.

[Dengness9]

Because then you'd have to have a shooting PF and a shooting specialist at shooting guard, plus what are Lebron and Rose going to be doing when they don't have the ball in their hands? And when would they be playing a lineup of Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Lebron-Noah? That would give them just one 3 point shooter and they'd be undersized.


Well 2nd priority for Bulls offseason plans behind signing Lebron, is signing a 3pt shooter, like a Korver, Morrow, or Ray Allen. Mark my words, that no matter what stud FA signs in Chicago, they will also sign a player who is deadly from downtown.

And that lineup of Rose-Hinrich-LBJ-Deng-Noah wouldn't be their starting lineup but definitely one of the most dominant small ball lineups seen in awhile, and would play those 5 together when the matchups makes sense. With Lebron and Deng being interchangeable at 3 and 4 in that lineup.

If the Bulls only landed Lebron and some smaller role players, the Bulls would put Rose-Hinrich-LBJ-Gibson-Noah on the floor as the starting 5. But what you would more likely see, is the signed 3pt specialist starting at 2, with Hinrich and Deng off your bench as one of the best 6th/7th man combo's in the league, if not the best, seeing as they are 6th and 7th year vets who would both start on probably atleast 75% of NBA teams, and probably more.

It would be ideal to get a shooting PF in the rotation but Noah and Taj will both score in double digits every night off rebounds and dump off dishes. When defenses have to double team Rose and Lebron, that puts the other defenders in a bad spot too, leading to less than ideal position and mismatches. Not to mention Noahs butt ugly J isn't as bad as it looks and goes in more than you think, and Taj has a decent midrange J already. Both will improve in that area as they are already strong defenders and rebounders.

You don't need a lot of scoring from your C and PF when you have LBJ averaging 27-30ppg, Rose 20-25ppg, Deng 15-20ppg, Hinrich 10-15ppg, and 3pt shooter 10-15ppg.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Well 2nd priority for Bulls offseason plans behind signing Lebron, is signing a 3pt shooter, like a Korver, Morrow, or Ray Allen. Mark my words, that no matter what stud FA signs in Chicago, they will also sign a player who is deadly from downtown.

And that lineup of Rose-Hinrich-LBJ-Deng-Noah wouldn't be their starting lineup but definitely one of the most dominant small ball lineups seen in awhile, and would play those 5 together when the matchups makes sense. With Lebron and Deng being interchangeable at 3 and 4 in that lineup.

If the Bulls only landed Lebron and some smaller role players, the Bulls would put Rose-Hinrich-LBJ-Gibson-Noah on the floor as the starting 5. But what you would more likely see, is the signed 3pt specialist starting at 2, with Hinrich and Deng off your bench as one of the best 6th/7th man combo's in the league, if not the best, seeing as they are 6th and 7th year vets who would both start on probably atleast 75% of NBA teams, and probably more.

It would be ideal to get a shooting PF in the rotation but Noah and Taj will both score in double digits every night off rebounds and dump off dishes. When defenses have to double team Rose and Lebron, that puts the other defenders in a bad spot too, leading to less than ideal position and mismatches. Not to mention Noahs butt ugly J isn't as bad as it looks and goes in more than you think, and Taj has a decent midrange J already. Both will improve in that area as they are already strong defenders and rebounders.

You don't need a lot of scoring from your C and PF when you have LBJ averaging 27-30ppg, Rose 20-25ppg, Deng 15-20ppg, Hinrich 10-15ppg, and 3pt shooter 10-15ppg.

All I'm saying is that there's a good chance it'll take some adjusting for both of them. Obviously, the talent would be there so it wouldn't be a complete bust regardless, but Chicago will definitely have to have 2 shooters on the floor with them.

[Dengness9]

All I'm saying is that there's a good chance it'll take some adjusting for both of them. Obviously, the talent would be there so it wouldn't be a complete bust regardless, but Chicago will definitely have to have 2 shooters on the floor with them.


I can definitely agree with all of that. Well put.

[Pharcyde]

Brooklyn Pizza>>>>>Chicago Pizza

And as talented as they'd be, I'm not sold on a Lebron/Rose duo. Lebron is the better playmaker, but Lebron would have a much better chance of being effective off the ball. I couldn't see Rose being nearly as good without the ball in his hands a lot. It'd be an adjustment for Lebron as well.

Rose played off ball a lot this year, I really just don't see it as a problem. If LeBron comes here, I think he knows you have to sacrifice some of the constant Iso's with everyone else standing around to be successful in the playoffs. It hasn't worked the past 2 years and it won't work any time soon.

[niko]

So does chicago have good pizza or not?

[Glide2keva]

So does chicago have good pizza or not?
Short answer is yes. Even our hood pizza like Italian fiesta is very good. Come to A Taste of Chicago and can sample everything Chicago has to offer food wise.

[niko]

Short answer is yes. Even our hood pizza like Italian fiesta is very good. Come to A Taste of Chicago and can sample everything Chicago has to offer food wise.
:bowdown: i shall if i can visit there...

[Millennium X]

Because then you'd have to have a shooting PF and a shooting specialist at shooting guard, plus what are Lebron and Rose going to be doing when they don't have the ball in their hands? And when would they be playing a lineup of Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Lebron-Noah? That would give them just one 3 point shooter and they'd be undersized.

Just keep Kurt Hinrich at the 2 (shot 37% from three this year, career 38% 3pt shooter) and play Luol Deng at the 4 (shot 39% from three this year.... i know he didn't attempt that many but he quadrupled his number of attempts from last year, it's not ridiculous to think that he can eventually take 150+ threes a year especially with all the wide open looks created for him by Rose and Lebron)

[Derka]

Thin-style NY for me. No hate for Chicago-style deep dish though. Also, if you're eating it with a fork, you're doing it wrong...not all deep-dish is monstrously thick.

Oh, Lebron's not going to Chicago. Or NY. Or NJ. Or Miami. Someone should smack Broussard with a tire iron for starting this crap.

[Real Men Wear Green]

In my mind, there is no doubt whatsoever that Chi has the best pizza with the deep dish. I've been to New York, several times. And the pizza is good, they're solidly at #2. I like the huge slices, the meaty cheese, all that is good. But the deep dish...it makes me forget health considerations. Like, white flour? greasy pork toppings? Thick breads? I don't care, I just eat it. It's really one of the best foods to eat there is.

[Real Men Wear Green]

PS: Who gives a **** about thin-crust pizza? Go get yourself some crackers and cheese...

[Real Men Wear Green]

Oh, Lebron's not going to Chicago. Or NY. Or NJ. Or Miami. Someone should smack Broussard with a tire iron for starting this crap.
Shhh...the Brian Scalibrine two-way sign-and-trade is supposed to be a big surprise.

[Derka]

Shhh...the Brian Scalibrine two-way sign-and-trade is supposed to be a big surprise.

:lol Scal, Nate, Quis, Baby for Lebron!

[Real Men Wear Green]

:lol Scal, Nate, Quis, Baby for Lebron!
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not go overboard here...it's just Scal. Cs max him, Cavs max James, Cs throw in an unconditional 2012 second rounder and Willie May. But it's all hush-hush, which is why I didn't tell Jeff about it or even make a topic.

[burnsy87]

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not go overboard here...it's just Scal. Cs max him, Cavs max James, Cs throw in an unconditional 2012 second rounder and Willie May. But it's all hush-hush, which is why I didn't tell Jeff about it or even make a topic.


Does Scals protective headband come to cleveland in the deal as well?

[OneMoreSucka]

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Thats why people around the country pay to have Lou Malnati's pizzas DELIVERED to them from Illinois.

The pizza must be awful if people in Cali are ordering it from halfway across the country.
Terrible argument considering how awful Cali pizza is to begin with.

[samballs]

If Wade stays in Miami and Bosh signs there who can Lebron beat them with? Maybe Amaire... Maybe Boozer... but not anyone else. Definately not Joe Johnson.

Logically Lebron's best chance to win is to sign with Wade it could be NYK or Miami, but thats his best running mate to win