We are witnessing the greatest trolling ever for Kobe Bryant, wow.

[lilojmayo]

it just hit me. Before the Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bird, LeBron, Rose stans come out to bash here me out. I stress career, in terms of talent all around game he will be top 5 of all time when said and done. I realize that his absolute peak/prime wasn't better Jordan, the numbers prove that, that's why Jordan is consensusly the greatest player of all time.

Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant is having the greatest career ever in NBA history. Seriously, the man is 31 years old in his 14th season, maybe his athletism has declined, but his game is still about the same due to adapting to his decline athletism. This guy just doesn't slow down. He doesn't take the regular season seriously anymore ( still gives you 27/5/5), but come playoff time he is 30/5/5 + waiting to happen EVER GAME.

He signed a 3 year extention, and has been quoted as saying he would play until he is 40 years old. I see what guys like Jason Kidd, Grant HillSteve Nash are doing at 37 years old. Kobe's talent and work ethic blows all of them out the water what makes you think he can do that when he is that age.

Kobe's longevity is about to blow everybody out the water. MJ only did his thing for 11.5 seasons really as a Bull if you take away that entire season he was injured. Kareem was piggy back riding Magic for his rings. Kobe doesn't piggy back ride anyone anymore. He will keep being the #1 option any time he gets to the playoffs.

And their is a big gap between LA and the west. Seriously all the olds threats like Spurs, Mavs, well they are "old in age". The only threats in the future look like OKC, Blazers, Mem, Denver, maybe Clippers. Kobe is so much wiser then anyone on those teams.

He will seriously have 35,000 points in his career, so many playoff records and regular season record.

We are watching the greatest basketball career of all time.
As Lil Wayne quoted " I'm at the top of the mountain, but still i climb"

That's the best way to describe Kobe's game and work ethic.

[Indian guy]

I'm assuming you forgot to type the part where you explain WHY he's having the greatest career for all time.

[Birmingham1955]

I'm assuming you forgot to type the part where you explain WHY he's having the greatest career for all time.

he isn't. just another kobe homer.

[RonRon37]

kobes the best player of all time No doubt

[EastCaliChillin]

Great Post :cheers: :cheers:
10 years from now. I will be sitting down telling my kids about the Black mamba and they will probably just look at me crazy

[dough]

As Lil Wayne quoted " I'm at the top of the mountain, but still i climb"


and who did wayne quote there? convenient idea btw, quoting an imbecile for this topic.

[Quizno]

Great Post :cheers: :cheers:
10 years from now. I will be sitting down telling my kids about the Black mamba and they will probably just look at me crazy
and they may also question your sexuality

[Kingwillball]

it just hit me. Before the Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bird, LeBron, Rose stans come out to bash here me out. I stress career, in terms of talent all around game he will be top 5 of all time when said and done. I realize that his absolute peak/prime wasn't better Jordan, the numbers prove that, that's why Jordan is consensusly the greatest player of all time.

Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant is having the greatest career ever in NBA history. Seriously, the man is 31 years old in his 14th season, maybe his athletism has declined, but his game is still about the same due to adapting to his decline athletism. This guy just doesn't slow down. He doesn't take the regular season seriously anymore ( still gives you 27/5/5), but come playoff time he is 30/5/5 + waiting to happen EVER GAME.

He signed a 3 year extention, and has been quoted as saying he would play until he is 40 years old. I see what guys like Jason Kidd, Grant HillSteve Nash are doing at 37 years old. Kobe's talent and work ethic blows all of them out the water what makes you think he can do that when he is that age.

Kobe's longevity is about to blow everybody out the water. MJ only did his thing for 11.5 seasons really as a Bull if you take away that entire season he was injured. Kareem was piggy back riding Magic for his rings. Kobe doesn't piggy back ride anyone anymore. He will keep being the #1 option any time he gets to the playoffs.

And their is a big gap between LA and the west. Seriously all the olds threats like Spurs, Mavs, well they are "old in age". The only threats in the future look like OKC, Blazers, Mem, Denver, maybe Clippers. Kobe is so much wiser then anyone on those teams.

He will seriously have 35,000 points in his career, so many playoff records and regular season record.

We are watching the greatest basketball career of all time.
As Lil Wayne quoted " I'm at the top of the mountain, but still i climb"

That's the best way to describe Kobe's game and work ethic.

:banghead:

[Kingwillball]

Great Post :cheers: :cheers:
10 years from now. I will be sitting down telling my kids about the Black mamba and they will probably just look at me crazy


Of course they will..:oldlol:

[laronprofit9]

Kobe's numbers in this series have been amazing.

34ppg/7rpg/10apg on 56% shooting.

If he keeps this up, this will be the best series he'll have ever statisically. Better than the 2001 WCF against SAS. Statisically that is.

At the age of 31. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[raptorfan_dr07]

Guys, just report the post and move on. No need to waste anymore time on it.

[DCL]

you swallow kobe's load pretty deep.

[artificial]

Uhm, so why would his career be the greatest?

Over Kareem's longevity?
Over Rusells's team success?

Because you are so sure that he will be everything you ever dream about, and we have to take your dardreams as a fact?

Kobe is great. But that's because of what he's done and what he's doing. Not because of whatever you pipedream. And what he has done certainly doesn't qualify for "greatest career ever", as great as a player Kobe.

[CrazyLond]

Kobe's numbers in this series have been amazing.

34ppg/7rpg/10apg on 56% shooting.

If he keeps this up, this will be the best series he'll have ever statisically. Better than the 2001 WCF against SAS. Statisically that is.

At the age of 31. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

It'll be even more amazing if he doesn't even win the series with that output.

[LA KB24]

kobes the best player of all time No doubt
Lol.

No.

[lilojmayo]

and who did wayne quote there? convenient idea btw, quoting an imbecile for this topic.

ha. idk, he says it in his song " I feel like dying"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyEgvCVYd8 1:50 mark. He actually says " im at the top of the top, but still i climb" He mention mountain 5 seconds before he said that.

[lilojmayo]

Kobe's numbers in this series have been amazing.

34ppg/7rpg/10apg on 56% shooting.

If he keeps this up, this will be the best series he'll have ever statisically. Better than the 2001 WCF against SAS. Statisically that is.

At the age of 31. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Those numbers are mind blowing.

[EricForman]

I'm assuming you forgot to type the part where you explain WHY he's having the greatest career for all time.


he offered a few reasons, although none are strong

1: kobe is doing it longer than jordan and kareem, because he dismisses kareem's later years as just piggy backing (although by definition, kareem piggybacked magic about as much as kobe piggybacked shaq...)

2: kobe doesnt take regular season lightly.

he even admits that his peak wasnt equal to jordans. and theres still stuff like rings... so i really dont get why he thinks those arguments are enuogh to say kobe has had the greatest career ever.

[ProfessorMurder]

Oh my God, why do I still come to this site?

[lilojmayo]

Oh my God, why do I still come to this site?

i said the exact same thing recently :lol

[dough]

ha. idk, he says it in his song " I feel like dying"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyEgvCVYd8 1:50 mark. He actually says " im at the top of the top, but still i climb" He mention mountain 5 seconds before he said that.
yeah but who did wayne quote.

[dough]

nice though how you could even fail at quoting wayne.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I'll give you a tip to make this site more enjoyable.


This message is hidden because lilojmayo is on your ignore list.

[MagicalLA]

Guys, just report the post and move on. No need to waste anymore time on it.

Why?

People are so damn insecure and jealous around here, its actually disgusting.

[Prodigy]

Why?

People are so damn insecure and jealous around here, its actually disgusting.

Nobody is insecure or jealous. Kobe has been the best player in the playoffs this year. All time though? Gtfo.

[lilojmayo]

yeah but who did wayne quote.

nice though how you could even fail at quoting wayne.

I'm not comprehending what your saying. I am pretty sure wayne thought of " i'm at the top of the top, but still i climb" himself, and I don't think anybody said it at least publicly before him.

I switched up a verse by accident and came up with " i'm at the top of the mountain, but still i climb"

[playtetris]

a kneejerk reaction to a single - albeit outstanding - series. were you saying this after the okc series where he averaged 23 on 41%? come on liloj, you're better than this

[MagicalLA]

Nobody is insecure or jealous. Kobe has been the best player in the playoffs this year. All time though? Gtfo.


If he actually said that then my bad and sorry.

But I swear I didnt read that, maybe I lack reading comprehension.

[ProfessorMurder]

I'll give you a tip to make this site more enjoyable.

I literally just put the first names on my ignore list, about 15, 300 to go. I can't take it anymore.

[lilojmayo]

a kneejerk reaction to a single - albeit outstanding - series. were you saying this after the okc series where he averaged 23 on 41%? come on liloj, you're better than this

maybe, this is an typical caught up in the moment overreaction thread. I was watching the game with some people, and he simply was just on a different level than anybody on the floor.

[asdf1990]

jordan kareem wilt shaq etc 3x better then
kobe "three free rings from shaq" bryant.

[MagicalLA]

jordan kareem wilt shaq etc 3x better then
kobe "three free rings from shaq" bryant.

Its always better than Lebron "I got no rings and Delonte bangs my mom" James.

[TonyJones]

Great Post
10 years from now. I will be sitting down telling my kids about the Black mamba and they will probably just look at me crazy


and they may also question your sexuality

rotflmao

whats wrong with you guys. SERIOUSLY, whats your problem? :roll: :roll:

[dough]

Its always better than Lebron "I got no rings and Delonte bangs my mom" James.
Still pissed at Lebron for ****ing up your guarantee? *throws another rock*

[Jacks3]

He won't have the greatest career ever, but his longevity is incredible.

2001 Playoffs:29.4/7.4/5.6 on 47%

9 YEARS LATER

2010 Playoffs: 28.9/6.3/4.7 on 49%

Pretty crazy

[zabuza666]

He won't have the greatest career ever, but his longevity is incredible.

2001 Playoffs:29.4/7.4/5.6 on 47%

9 YEARS LATER

2010 Playoffs: 28.9/6.3/4.7 on 49%

Pretty crazy

Lmao at you inflating his stats, it's 28.2/6.0/4.5 on 47%.

Still a great series but jeese thats sad.

Also this is a knee jerk reaction

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/

[ShaqAttack3234]

I literally just put the first names on my ignore list, about 15, 300 to go. I can't take it anymore.

I'm up to 20 on my ignore list.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe is playing possibly the best offensive ball I've seen from him in his career this series. He's playing to his limits as a player imo given his current abilities physically. If he keeps up his production, it'll be the best series of his career by a good margin from a statistical standpoint.

That said, this thread is a joke.

[Freshprince619]

Lmao at you inflating his stats, it's 28.2/6.0/4.5 on 47%.

Still a great series but jeese thats sad.

Also this is a knee jerk reaction

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/
Fail. Game 4 is not in there yet

[JtotheIzzo]

Kobe is playing possibly the best offensive ball I've seen from him in his career this series. He's playing to his limits as a player imo given his current abilities physically. If he keeps up his production, it'll be the best series of his career by a good margin from a statistical standpoint.

That said, this thread is a joke.

The 2-3 the Suns are playing is basically goading Kobe to shoot midrange jumpshots.

He has been setting up on Nash's side of the zone and shooting.

As so often with Kobe, this individual greatness is coming at the expense of the team.

If I were the Suns I 'd hope Kobe has the series of a lifetime, this keeps the ball out of the bigs hands and gives Phoenix a shot.

[DuMa]

Kobe is playing good.

[oh the horror]

The 2-3 the Suns are playing is basically goading Kobe to shoot midrange jumpshots.

He has been setting up on Nash's side of the zone and shooting.

As so often with Kobe, this individual greatness is coming at the expense of the team.

If I were the Suns I 'd hope Kobe has the series of a lifetime, this keeps the ball out of the bigs hands and gives Phoenix a shot.


Youre not watching the games eh? Kobe is dropping dimes like a damn point guard out there dude. He is literally the sole reason the Lakers arent getting blown out in these games.

His teammates simply are not showing up in certain instances.

[JtotheIzzo]

Youre not watching the games eh? Kobe is dropping dimes like a damn point guard out there dude. He is literally the sole reason the Lakers arent getting blown out in these games.

His teammates simply are not showing up in certain instances.

no, I am watching the games, eh... and he has the ball in his hands every possession.

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU BEAT A ZONE.

The ten dimes are fodder for Kobe groupies to think he is involving his teammates. He will get ten dimes when he has the ball that long and the shot clock winds down and someone is forced to shoot. Some of those will go in.

Kobe is playing very well, I cannot dispute that.

BUT

If they want to beat this zone to a pulp (and they can), they need to swing the ball and go inside out.

ball movement is the key.

If KOBE wants to go off, he should continue to dribble into Nash, pull up or pitch (like he has been doing).

[OldSchoolBBall]

The 2-3 the Suns are playing is basically goading Kobe to shoot midrange jumpshots.

He has been setting up on Nash's side of the zone and shooting.

As so often with Kobe, this individual greatness is coming at the expense of the team.

If I were the Suns I 'd hope Kobe has the series of a lifetime, this keeps the ball out of the bigs hands and gives Phoenix a shot.

Yeah, Kobe is getting a lot of good looks due to the lack of matchup he'd see in a man-to-man. He's getting open and semi-open looks, but more than that, he's putting himself in positions where defenders are out of position to contest or get back in the play and attacking that way. He's definitely doing damage against Nash in particular.

[Bernie Nips]

As good a series as Kobe is having, his team is at 2-2 and he IS playing the Suns. Playing the Suns = more points scored by the teams = offensive statistics inflated.

[Fatal9]

Since Kobe become the all important #1 option, his stats in the playoffs have been spectacular. He's averaged 30/6/5 on 48% and eFG about 51% for now a 70 game stretch in the playoffs (in case you didn't know, that is first three peat Jordan efficiency shooting wise, though MJ averaged about 3 more points I think). Sometimes you wonder if people realize how good he really is. He's had one "dud" shooting wise that whole time, vs. Celtics in '08 but they embarrassed every perimeter player that year, were one of the greatest defenses ever and had HCA. Even the great MJ couldn't do much against all-time great defenses (vs. Knicks he shot 43.8% in '92 RS, 47.7% in '92 PO, 35.4% in '93 RS, 40% in '93 PO, vs. Sonics in '96 he shot 41.5%, vs. Heat in '97 just 38%. He'd explode for one or two games vs. bad boy Pistons and be locked down for the rest of the series).

He delivered a ring last year with a good but not great team. Bynum was useless, nearly averaged more fouls than rebounds, Fisher is Fisher...can make the occasional clutch three but a mediocre starting PG, Gasol is great but there have been over a dozen better #2s, Ariza is a role player who fed off the defensive attention Kobe was getting, Odom is nice but inconsistent and dumb, and the bench was mediocre and always blowing big leads. This year he could have taken his foot off the throttle but now Bynum is injured again, the bench sucks, doesn't have ANY shooters except Fisher (Artest = offensive liability). I really don't get the whole "all-star" cast talk, maybe if Bynum was healthy and playing top ball but he was useless last year and is slowly becoming useless again this year.


The 2-3 the Suns are playing is basically goading Kobe to shoot midrange jumpshots.

He has been setting up on Nash's side of the zone and shooting.

As so often with Kobe, this individual greatness is coming at the expense of the team.

If I were the Suns I 'd hope Kobe has the series of a lifetime, this keeps the ball out of the bigs hands and gives Phoenix a shot.
except the only time the Lakers were competitive in the game tonight was when Kobe was shooting lights out. He actually single handedly cut down 10+ pt leads several times tonight. He took only 22 shots (and only 4 FTA) which is average by any star's standard for a playoff game, and distributed the ball to get everyone involved...not sure how any of this is at the expense of the team. And they have been moving the ball against the zone. The team is just shooting 10/44 from three in the last two games (without Kobe), which is pathetic. Can't beat the zone if your role players can't shoot.

[Freshprince619]

no, I am watching the games, eh... and he has the ball in his hands every possession.

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU BEAT A ZONE.

The ten dimes are fodder for Kobe groupies to think he is involving his teammates. He will get ten dimes when he has the ball that long and the shot clock winds down and someone is forced to shoot. Some of those will go in.

Kobe is playing very well, I cannot dispute that.

BUT

If they want to beat this zone to a pulp (and they can), they need to swing the ball and go inside out.

ball movement is the key.

If KOBE wants to go off, he should continue to dribble into Nash, pull up or pitch (like he has been doing).
You are definitely not watching the series

[JtotheIzzo]

You are definitely not watching the series


great insight, thanks.

[Freshprince619]

Since Kobe become the all important #1 option, his stats in the playoffs have been spectacular. He's averaged 30/6/5 on 48% and eFG about 51% for now a 70 game stretch in the playoffs (in case you didn't know, that is first three peat Jordan efficiency shooting wise, though MJ averaged about 3 more points I think). Sometimes you wonder if people realize how good he really is. He's had one "dud" shooting wise that whole time, vs. Celtics in '08 but they embarrassed every perimeter player that year, were one of the greatest defenses ever and had HCA. Even the great MJ couldn't do much against all-time great defenses (vs. Knicks he shot 43.8% in '92 RS, 47.7% in '92 PO, 35.4% in '93 RS, 40% in '93 PO, vs. Sonics in '96 he shot 41.5%, vs. Heat in '97 just 38%. He'd explode for one or two games vs. bad boy Pistons and be locked down for the rest of the series).

He delivered a ring last year with a good but not great team. Bynum was useless, nearly averaged more fouls than rebounds, Fisher is Fisher...can make the occasional clutch three but a mediocre starting PG, Gasol is great but there have been over a dozen better #2s, Ariza is a role player who fed off the defensive attention Kobe was getting, Odom is nice but inconsistent and dumb, and the bench was mediocre and always blowing big leads. This year he could have taken his foot off the throttle but now Bynum is injured again, the bench sucks, doesn't have ANY shooters except Fisher (Artest = offensive liability). I really don't get the whole "all-star" cast talk, maybe if Bynum was healthy and playing top ball but he was useless last year and is slowly becoming useless again this year.


except the only time the Lakers were competitive in the game tonight was when Kobe was shooting lights out. He actually single handedly cut down 10+ pt leads several times tonight. He took only 22 shots (and only 4 FTA) which is average by any star's standard for a playoff game, and distributed the ball to get everyone involved...not sure how any of this is at the expense of the team. And they have been moving the ball against the zone. The team is just shooting 10/44 from three in the last two games (without Kobe), which is pathetic. Can't beat the zone if your role players can't shoot.
Great Post :applause: :applause:

[Freshprince619]

Fatal9 with the massive troll post yet again. :oldlol:
How is it a troll post? He came with nothing but facts. But oh yeah he exposed jordan your lover boy
SMH

[momo]

If you are trying to make a point about KB having the greatest "career" you would do well to NOT mention people "Piggy backing" for rings, OK? It just opens up your argument up to the "shaq" argument.

I agree KB could possibly play tel 40. In that case Kareem would be the benchmark, with Karl Malone a second. At least if we are making longevity a big part of the argument.

So criticizing either for "piggy backing" is just screwing yourself.

[alexandreben]

Kobe? the greatest career ever ?? yeah:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Johnni Gade]

kobes the best player of all time No doubt
wtf

[plowking]

and they may also question your sexuality
:roll:

[Rolando]

Great career! Oh yeah.....what did he do in college? Nothing. Please check out some of the other all-time greats.

[ginobli2311]

Kobe's a great player...and is having a great career. But its not even close to the best ever. You do know that other players have played great games right?

[Younggrease]

great insight, thanks.


Kobe is not holding the ball, he is actually barely touching it and when he does it a quick move off few wasted dribbles.

[Leviathon1121]

Since Kobe become the all important #1 option, his stats in the playoffs have been spectacular. He's averaged 30/6/5 on 48% and eFG about 51% for now a 70 game stretch in the playoffs (in case you didn't know, that is first three peat Jordan efficiency shooting wise, though MJ averaged about 3 more points I think). Sometimes you wonder if people realize how good he really is. He's had one "dud" shooting wise that whole time, vs. Celtics in '08 but they embarrassed every perimeter player that year, were one of the greatest defenses ever and had HCA. Even the great MJ couldn't do much against all-time great defenses (vs. Knicks he shot 43.8% in '92 RS, 47.7% in '92 PO, 35.4% in '93 RS, 40% in '93 PO, vs. Sonics in '96 he shot 41.5%, vs. Heat in '97 just 38%. He'd explode for one or two games vs. bad boy Pistons and be locked down for the rest of the series).

He delivered a ring last year with a good but not great team. Bynum was useless, nearly averaged more fouls than rebounds, Fisher is Fisher...can make the occasional clutch three but a mediocre starting PG, Gasol is great but there have been over a dozen better #2s, Ariza is a role player who fed off the defensive attention Kobe was getting, Odom is nice but inconsistent and dumb, and the bench was mediocre and always blowing big leads. This year he could have taken his foot off the throttle but now Bynum is injured again, the bench sucks, doesn't have ANY shooters except Fisher (Artest = offensive liability). I really don't get the whole "all-star" cast talk, maybe if Bynum was healthy and playing top ball but he was useless last year and is slowly becoming useless again this year.


except the only time the Lakers were competitive in the game tonight was when Kobe was shooting lights out. He actually single handedly cut down 10+ pt leads several times tonight. He took only 22 shots (and only 4 FTA) which is average by any star's standard for a playoff game, and distributed the ball to get everyone involved...not sure how any of this is at the expense of the team. And they have been moving the ball against the zone. The team is just shooting 10/44 from three in the last two games (without Kobe), which is pathetic. Can't beat the zone if your role players can't shoot.

And if those defenses were in any way comparable to the Celtics of '08, you would have a point, but they are not.

Knicks, Pistons and Heat all played a defense that was based on physicality and intimidation. Drive the lane and you are going to get pounded, hard.

And both teams got to use hand checking, and did not have to deal with a 3 second defensive rule.

The key to slowing down Jordan was having a team full of players willing to be ultra physical when Jordan drove the lane. The Sonics were the exception because they featured Payton, one of the best perimeter defenders of all time, who played Jordan very well.

Point is, the Celtics did not have a premier perimeter defender, and the kind of physical defense the Knicks, Heat, and Pistons played is not allowed in the league anymore without massive suspensions.

How would Jordan do against a good team defense like the Celtic's had? Who knows, but you can't just look at the defensive stats and say Jordan would struggle against the Celtics simply because Bryant did. Celtics wanted Bryant to be a jump shooter, they did it well and Bryant bricked shots he seemingly usually makes.

One thing is for sure though, nobody on that Celtic's team would have been able to stay in front of Jordan, and I think that would have made all the difference for Kobe had he been as quick.

[11gilmam]

Kobe's a tremendous player, but 25 years from now we will not look back on his career and say that he is the best of all time. He's one of the great ones, but he's not the greatest.

[dynasty1978]

I just noticed a lot of the following statements by his critics...."Kobe is a great player, but......"

I 'm sure this will be case no matter what he accomplishes by the end of his career. :oldlol:

[ginobli2311]

And if those defenses were in any way comparable to the Celtics of '08, you would have a point, but they are not.

Knicks, Pistons and Heat all played a defense that was based on physicality and intimidation. Drive the lane and you are going to get pounded, hard.

And both teams got to use hand checking, and did not have to deal with a 3 second defensive rule.

The key to slowing down Jordan was having a team full of players willing to be ultra physical when Jordan drove the lane. The Sonics were the exception because they featured Payton, one of the best perimeter defenders of all time, who played Jordan very well.

Point is, the Celtics did not have a premier perimeter defender, and the kind of physical defense the Knicks, Heat, and Pistons played is not allowed in the league anymore without massive suspensions.

How would Jordan do against a good team defense like the Celtic's had? Who knows, but you can't just look at the defensive stats and say Jordan would struggle against the Celtics simply because Bryant did. Celtics wanted Bryant to be a jump shooter, they did it well and Bryant bricked shots he seemingly usually makes.

One thing is for sure though, nobody on that Celtic's team would have been able to stay in front of Jordan, and I think that would have made all the difference for Kobe had he been as quick.

Completely agree. Comparing Jordan to the likes of wade/kobe/lebron is not fair. Jordan put up significantly better numbers in the playoffs without a post presence to help carry the offensive load.

But the main difference is the hand checking rules put in after MJ retired. You think MJ got a lot of calls? Go back and watch his games....defenders were allowed to grab and hold every time he drove. In today's game....Jordan would have easily shot 4 or 5 more free throws a game and easily shot 4 to 5 percent better from the field. Its just not even close to compare MJ to kobe and other perimeter players from this era. Just look at the following:

MJ's career averages in the playoffs in an era of much better defenses and no hand checking:

33.4 points 6.4 rebounds 5.7 assists on 49% shooting

and MJ is considered to be one of the ten best defenders of all time and is widely considered as the best perimeter defender ever. There is no comparison at all.

[dynasty1978]

And if those defenses were in any way comparable to the Celtics of '08, you would have a point, but they are not.

Knicks, Pistons and Heat all played a defense that was based on physicality and intimidation. Drive the lane and you are going to get pounded, hard.

And both teams got to use hand checking, and did not have to deal with a 3 second defensive rule.

The key to slowing down Jordan was having a team full of players willing to be ultra physical when Jordan drove the lane. The Sonics were the exception because they featured Payton, one of the best perimeter defenders of all time, who played Jordan very well.

Point is, the Celtics did not have a premier perimeter defender, and the kind of physical defense the Knicks, Heat, and Pistons played is not allowed in the league anymore without massive suspensions.

How would Jordan do against a good team defense like the Celtic's had? Who knows, but you can't just look at the defensive stats and say Jordan would struggle against the Celtics simply because Bryant did. Celtics wanted Bryant to be a jump shooter, they did it well and Bryant bricked shots he seemingly usually makes.

One thing is for sure though, nobody on that Celtic's team would have been able to stay in front of Jordan, and I think that would have made all the difference for Kobe had he been as quick.

Interesting argument, however Lebron has the explosiveness and driving ability that rivals MJ, and yet he was limited significantly in the 08 series (brutal shooting and high TOs) so I'm not sure if the lanes for MJ would've been there. The genius of the celtics (and even the 04/05 pistons) was in their collective effort and an air tight defensive game plan (ball pressure, physical play, and smart rotations). Let's be clear about the "hand-checking" rule, the physical defenses of today still get away with plent (clotheslines, hip checks? no, but hand checks..oh yeah).....watch footage of guys like bowen and artest or brown's pistons and doc's celts and it's pretty clear.

[Rake2204]

He's one of the great ones, but he's not the greatest.
Why can we not just leave it at that? Simple, concise, very likely true.

[Allstar24]

The OP is a f*cking moron and a Lebron ******ger, I wish nobody would take this thread seriously so it would fall off the first page. But as usual, trolls attract the most responses here.

[Kingwillball]

The OP is a f*cking moron and a Lebron ******ger, I wish nobody would take this thread seriously so it would fall off the first page. But as usual, trolls attract the most responses here.


The problem is there are some delusional bastards(Kobe Stans) that actually believe he is the best Ever ! That gives fuel to the fire.

[Soothsayer]

Completely agree. Comparing Jordan to the likes of wade/kobe/lebron is not fair. Jordan put up significantly better numbers in the playoffs without a post presence to help carry the offensive load.

But the main difference is the hand checking rules put in after MJ retired. You think MJ got a lot of calls? Go back and watch his games....defenders were allowed to grab and hold every time he drove. In today's game....Jordan would have easily shot 4 or 5 more free throws a game and easily shot 4 to 5 percent better from the field. Its just not even close to compare MJ to kobe and other perimeter players from this era. Just look at the following:

MJ's career averages in the playoffs in an era of much better defenses and no hand checking:

33.4 points 6.4 rebounds 5.7 assists on 49% shooting

and MJ is considered to be one of the ten best defenders of all time and is widely considered as the best perimeter defender ever. There is no comparison at all.

Exactly. Kobe beats up on bad defenses. He has through his career. Jordan beat up on ALL defenses, with many of his best games coming against the best defenses.

Perimeter defense today is far weaker, intentionally from the nba, in order to let perimeter athletes "showcase" their talent.

When Kobe is faced with tough defense, his numbers wither. That is what he would have regularly faced in the 90s, year in, year out.

Kobe is having a great couple series, against bad defenses. Let's not lose perspective. Jordan had greater playoff numbers across the board, save for 3PT shooting.

[ginobli2311]

Exactly. Kobe beats up on bad defenses. He has through his career. Jordan beat up on ALL defenses, with many of his best games coming against the best defenses.

Perimeter defense today is far weaker, intentionally from the nba, in order to let perimeter athletes "showcase" their talent.

When Kobe is faced with tough defense, his numbers wither. That is what he would have regularly faced in the 90s, year in, year out.

Kobe is having a great couple series, against bad defenses. Let's not lose perspective. Jordan had greater playoff numbers across the board, save for 3PT shooting.

Yep. I guess we should just ignore what happened to Kobe when he played the Pistons in 04 and Celtics in 08. Jordan would have shredded those two teams with the current rules today.

Overall Jordan faced much better defenses than any current wing player in today's game. Factor that in with the new defensive rules and you just can't compare what Jordan was able to do with the current players.

Kobe was at shooting practice last night. 10 of his makes were wide open shots. It was an impressive game....but lets not act like he was making tough shots all night.

Look. I love Lebron...but the fact that he scores around 30 a game illustrates how easy it is for perimeter players to score in today's game. Lebron can't shoot consistently....he doesn't have a great post game. He's not a great free throw shooter. He's just not that skilled of an offensive player....so why does he score so efficiently and why does he score so many points? Because you can't ****ing touch perimeter players driving to the basket. Its in the rule book. If Lebron puts his head down and drives.....he's either going to get to the line or he's going to get to the rim 9 out of 10 times. I love Lebron...but he would not have been nearly as dominant in the 80s or 90s as he is now.

[Birmingham1955]

Kobe isn't better than LeBron. He wasn't the best player of his generation. Shaq and Duncan were.

[Leviathon1121]

Interesting argument, however Lebron has the explosiveness and driving ability that rivals MJ, and yet he was limited significantly in the 08 series (brutal shooting and high TOs) so I'm not sure if the lanes for MJ would've been there. The genius of the celtics (and even the 04/05 pistons) was in their collective effort and an air tight defensive game plan (ball pressure, physical play, and smart rotations). Let's be clear about the "hand-checking" rule, the physical defenses of today still get away with plent (clotheslines, hip checks? no, but hand checks..oh yeah).....watch footage of guys like bowen and artest or brown's pistons and doc's celts and it's pretty clear.

The problem with Lebron is that he lacks a decent post game, and it really was not until this year that he seemed to develop an almost decent outside shot. And I really do not know what to make of his play against the Celtic's this year, maybe it was his elbow, but it really seemed to me like he was playing uninspired basketball, who knows.

I think the Celtics did the best any team has been able to do in recent years defensively with the new rules. However, I do not believe that is the kind of defense that would have hindered Jordan.

I think if the Lakers are back in the finals against Boston this year, Kobe is going to have a much better series. His jump shot is falling, and as long as that is happening the Celtics are going to be in trouble.

[tommy3]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/frog.gif

[bdreason]

I hope this is a joke. Kobe doesn't even have the best career out of currently active players.

[ginobli2311]

The problem with Lebron is that he lacks a decent post game, and it really was not until this year that he seemed to develop an almost decent outside shot. And I really do not know what to make of his play against the Celtic's this year, maybe it was his elbow, but it really seemed to me like he was playing uninspired basketball, who knows.

I think the Celtics did the best any team has been able to do in recent years defensively with the new rules. However, I do not believe that is the kind of defense that would have hindered Jordan.

I think if the Lakers are back in the finals against Boston this year, Kobe is going to have a much better series. His jump shot is falling, and as long as that is happening the Celtics are going to be in trouble.

I agree that clearly Jordan would have been able to handle the celtics defense because he could post up (forcing a double team), he can make mid range shots (forcing defenders to play the shot), and he could drive and finish (getting them into foul trouble). Lebron can't post up or make mid range jumpers consistently enough and it really hurt him this series.

I agree that in thoery Kobe should do well against the Celtics....but Kobe hasn't fared well against other good defenses (pistons in 04 and celtics in 08). I think he will play better this year....but he can't shoot 38% like he has the last 2 times.

[tommy3]

I hope this is a joke. Kobe doesn't even have the best career out of currently active players.
shaq

[elementally morale]

I hope this is a joke. Kobe doesn't even have the best career out of currently active players.

I'm not sure he doesn't. As far as careers are concerned, only Duncan has an argument over Kobe in my book. Shaq was a better player in his prime but not really greater than Duncan. And Duncan spent his career at the same franchise, something I'd value when thinking of great careers.

However, both these legends are more or less done and Kobe is still going pretty strong. It's not that hard to imagine he can win 2 more rings, 2 more Finals MVPs and maybe anpother MVP. He will also break some more records and end up near the top of most lists.

He may have the best career out of currently active players. In fact if LeBron won't who else other than Kobe will?

[brwnman]

"greatest career ever"

WTF does that even mean? Is it just another way of saying GOAT?

so frickin' lost...

[DeuceWallaces]

I hope this is a joke. Kobe doesn't even have the best career out of currently active players.

I agree with this.

[PowerGlove]

and they may also question your sexuality
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ShaqAttack3234]

I'm not sure he doesn't. As far as careers are concerned, only Duncan has an argument over Kobe in my book. Shaq was a better player in his prime but not really greater than Duncan. And Duncan spent his career at the same franchise, something I'd value when thinking of great careers.

How the hell has Kobe already had a better career than Shaq? Shaq was a superstar from the time he entered the league until atleast 2005. Kobe wasn't a superstar until 2001, shaq has 2 more Finals MVPs, as many scoring titles and MVPs and from his 3rd season through his 14th, he contended for a title every season and none of those teams were close to title contenders before he got there. Plus, Kobe's failures are greater than Shaq's while Shaq definitely had the better prime/peak.

[Freshprince619]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
50 post a day? Wow Brah

[Freshprince619]

How the hell has Kobe already had a better career than Shaq? Shaq was a superstar from the time he entered the league until atleast 2005. Kobe wasn't a superstar until 2001, shaq has 2 more Finals MVPs, as many scoring titles and MVPs and from his 3rd season through his 14th, he contended for a title every season and none of those teams were close to title contenders before he got there. Plus, Kobe's failures are greater than Shaq's while Shaq definitely had the better prime/peak.
Shaq was in his prime starting 94? Why did it take so long to win a championship then? maybe a developed Kobe Bryant? hmmm
Stat Whores/ SMFH

[Undisputed]

kobes the best player of all time No doubt
If you never watched Jordan.

[elementally morale]

How the hell has Kobe already had a better career than Shaq? Shaq was a superstar from the time he entered the league until atleast 2005. Kobe wasn't a superstar until 2001, shaq has 2 more Finals MVPs, as many scoring titles and MVPs and from his 3rd season through his 14th, he contended for a title every season and none of those teams were close to title contenders before he got there. Plus, Kobe's failures are greater than Shaq's while Shaq definitely had the better prime/peak.

It's an opinion.

Look, I'm not American, and Kobe is definitely 'bigger' in Europe than Shaq. I watch, listen to and read the US media and to me at seems Kobe is bigger in the US as well.

I personally think Shaq was the more impactful (read: better) player of the two as their respective primes are concerned but I have a feeling it is going to be thrown out of the window 10 years from now. Kobe will be remembred as having been the better/greater player and he is/will be/was a lifelong Laker. Those combined tell me he (Kobe) will have had a better career by the time he retires.

[TheLogo]

It's an opinion.

Look, I'm not American, and Kobe is definitely 'bigger' in Europe than Shaq. I watch, listen to and read the US media and to me at seems Kobe is bigger in the US as well.

I personally think Shaq was the more impactful (read: better) player of the two as their respective primes are concerned but I have a feeling it is going to be thrown out of the window 10 years from now. Kobe will be remembred as having been the better/greater player and he is/will be/was a lifelong Laker. Those combined tell me he (Kobe) will have had a better career by the time he retires.

Very well put.

[branslowski]

Kobe's career is f*cking GREATNESS

Im not going to get into it fully atm...I have a bunch of factual evidence that shows Kobe is top 5 if he wins a title/Finals MVP this year....

KEY WORD...FACTUAL.


But, man, Remember when the best players in the league were a debate between Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG?....Or when the Top scorers in the league are Kobe, Iverson, McGrady?...Who's more clutch, Kobe or Vince?...Years later, decade or so, now the KG's, Iverson's, McGrady's, Vince= meh...While Melo, Bron, Wade are already atleast half-way through their careers and what do you know...Bryant is still in debates with the Best in the Game.

Vince Carter can go 1-9 in playoff games with limited outrage...McGrady can vanish for 5yrs...Garnett= So so, Duncan=So,so....Iverson= WTF...

Kobe= Top 4 in All-Time playoff pts....

Let me stop...God I hope Lakers win a title this year...

[branslowski]

And :oldlol: @ "Peaks"...

When in All-Time Ranking Debates..Some of you have to stop using this as your sole argument...F*ck outta here with picking player A's best 3straight years and trying to trumph it over someone who has an obvious better career, better accolades exc....(Not saying Kobe>>Shaq, but the point stands when concerning other arguments)

With Peak stats....LeBron would be on everyones top 5 right now.

Anyway, if we took away the accolades, the stats or watever...The Best Pure Basketball players top 5 is

Jordan
Kobe
Shaq
Bird
Wilt

IMO...

[OldSchoolBBall]

And :oldlol: @ "Peaks"...

When in All-Time Ranking Debates..Some of you have to stop using this as your sole argument...F*ck outta here with picking player A's best 3straight years and trying to trumph it over someone who has an obvious better career, better accolades exc....

But Shaq was better than Kobe's peak in like 8 seasons ('96-'03) at the very least. Not 3 seasons, but 8.

[elementally morale]

I like the new thread title. :oldlol:

[Undisputed]

I like the new thread title. :oldlol:

When I saw the new title I thought it was a new thread for a second. What a win by whoever did it. :roll:

[YouGotServed]

I like the new thread title. :oldlol:

WTF I noticed the change in the thread title....:roll: :roll: :applause:

edit: this thread is full of lulz

[monkeypox]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.
http://www.uco.es/~i72sagir/smiley_guy_sticking_out_tongue_lg_clr.gif

[Amil23]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.
+1000

[Freshprince619]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.
+1

[mlh1981]

Kobe is a great player and all, but don't you guys ever get tired of talking about this?

[YAWN]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.
seriously, why the hell was this threads title changed and not the dozens of terrible trolling threads that are allowed to flourish on a daily basis? If it was the Celtics fan up there that changed it, then i guess I see why he would, but its still a pretty dumb move since hes a ****ing mod.

[KB2009Champ]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.


qft

[PowerGlove]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.

Why you mad though?

Seriously, what is the big deal? He changed the title to what we all thought it was in the first place. RMWG did us a favor.

Thank you.

[YouGotServed]

lol at all the Kobe trolls getting all butt hurt over this...:oldlol:

"mods are stupid"

"+1"

"+1"

"yeah, they're childish"

:roll:

[Undisputed]

Lol, this is why I think the Mods shouldn't get banning privileges. They're too unprofessional to be trusted with that kind of authority.
Mods shouldn't be able to ban, but since when did they turn into professionals? I say don't expect professional conduct from people who aren't professionals.

Still, this thread title is appropriate, and it's funny. Mod ftw on this one, whoever it was.

[DuMa]

truth

[bada bing]

Great Post :cheers: :cheers:
10 years from now. I will be sitting down telling my kids about the Black mamba and they will probably just look at me crazy

stfu clown. people always look at you crazy cuz of how ugly you are. you should go kill yourself. an ugliness like yours can only be from god as a lesson to humanity.

[monkeypox]

Why you mad though?

Seriously, what is the big deal? He changed the title to what we all thought it was in the first place. RMWG did us a favor.

Thank you.

Lol, just made a comment on the childishness of the mods. You and Yougotserved sound like you're getting defensive and butthurt. This being a message board on what I assume aspires to be a professional web site, I assumed they'd want the people representing them to not be childish trolls. I could be wrong of course. Considering the amount of trolling that goes on around here, maybe that is what they want.

[Doranku]

stfu clown. people always look at you crazy cuz of how ugly you are. you should go kill yourself. an ugliness like yours can only be from god as a lesson to humanity.
:oldlol: @ how mad this kid is.

[EastCaliChillin]

stfu clown. people always look at you crazy cuz of how ugly you are. you should go kill yourself. an ugliness like yours can only be from god as a lesson to humanity.
Child Please!
Sound like you about to cry

[pete's montreux]

Yeah, Kobe's OK I guess :confusedshrug:

[raptorfan_dr07]

Awesome job by whichever mod changed the thread title hahaha :cheers:

[Allstar24]

Whaat?...all the trolls going "ZOMG the mods are awesome, hahaha!!!" as if it's the funniest thing ever :oldlol:

[YouGotServed]

Lol, just made a comment on the childishness of the mods. You and Yougotserved sound like you're getting defensive and butthurt. This being a message board on what I assume aspires to be a professional web site, I assumed they'd want the people representing them to not be childish trolls. I could be wrong of course. Considering the amount of trolling that goes on around here, maybe that is what they want.


I don't really care about this....I just think is funny. :oldlol: I'm not a fan of Kobe/Jordan. I don't troll for or against Kobe. But this is hilarious.
YOU MAD KOBE FAN BOY?

[HisJoeness]

Lol @ what the main forum has become.

Where have all the KBlazes gone? Long time passing. . .

[raptorfan_dr07]

Kobe's career is f*cking GREATNESS

I have a bunch of factual evidence that shows Kobe is top 5 if he wins a title/Finals MVP this year....

KEY WORD...FACTUAL.

Kobe= Top 4 in All-Time playoff pts....


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e215/DMKA/EpicFail_medium.jpg


Karl Malone = Top 5 in All-Time playoff pts....GOAT!!! TOP 5!!!! I HAVE FACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!! He's also the SECOND ALL TIME LEADING SCORER IN NBA HISTORY!!! Definitely top 5 or possible GOAT! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[rfm767]

Good to know some mods are KOBE haters. That explains alot of weird stuff going on.

on a side note: coward move

[Birmingham1955]

Good to know some mods are KOBE haters. That explains alot of weird stuff going on.

on a side note: coward move

It is obvious trolling. Kobe isn't even better than LeBron.

What I don't get is out of all the trollling threads here daily, what makes lilojmayo's thread so special that this thread isn't deleted. By changing the thread title instead of deleting it it is like given him a pat on the back saying, you got my attention.

[EastCaliChillin]

It is obvious trolling. Kobe isn't even better than LeBron.

What I don't get is out of all the trollling threads here daily, what makes lilojmayo's thread so special that this thread isn't deleted. By changing the thread title instead of deleting it it is like given him a pat on the back saying, you got my attention.
Kobe not better then Lebron?


COME ON SON! :roll:

[gts]

Originally Posted by EastCaliChillin
Great Post
10 years from now. I will be sitting down telling my kids about the Black mamba and they will probably just look at me crazy

Kind of a real life "I am Sam"

[pethuel03]

Kobe not better then Lebron?


COME ON SON! :roll:
:roll:

[Yung D-Will]

shaq

Duncan

[EricForman]

lol at all the Kobe trolls getting all butt hurt over this...:oldlol:

"mods are stupid"

"+1"

"+1"

"yeah, they're childish"

:roll:


:oldlol: yeah.

[EricForman]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4541/kobetrolls.jpg

[ShaqAttack3234]

It's an opinion.

Look, I'm not American, and Kobe is definitely 'bigger' in Europe than Shaq. I watch, listen to and read the US media and to me at seems Kobe is bigger in the US as well.

I personally think Shaq was the more impactful (read: better) player of the two as their respective primes are concerned but I have a feeling it is going to be thrown out of the window 10 years from now. Kobe will be remembred as having been the better/greater player and he is/will be/was a lifelong Laker. Those combined tell me he (Kobe) will have had a better career by the time he retires.

To me, greater career isn't what the casual fans/media regards as a greater career. That's just idiots with short term memory to me. So I wasn't talking about who the media or casual fans regard as better. I was talking about in an objective discussion about their play on the court, who has the better case for the better career.

[Birmingham1955]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4541/kobetrolls.jpg

:oldlol:

[King Kong]

one of the best, not the best. he is having an incredible series.

[rfm767]

It is obvious trolling. Kobe isn't even better than LeBron.

What I don't get is out of all the trollling threads here daily, what makes lilojmayo's thread so special that this thread isn't deleted. By changing the thread title instead of deleting it it is like given him a pat on the back saying, you got my attention.

I asume a serious mod would just delete a trolling thread rather than making fun and mocking one of ISH members. IMO.

[Killbot]

I didn't know the thread title changed. Hilarious. :roll:

[alexandreben]

And :oldlol: @ "Peaks"...

When in All-Time Ranking Debates..Some of you have to stop using this as your sole argument...F*ck outta here with picking player A's best 3straight years and trying to trumph it over someone who has an obvious better career, better accolades exc....(Not saying Kobe>>Shaq, but the point stands when concerning other arguments)

With Peak stats....LeBron would be on everyones top 5 right now.

Anyway, if we took away the accolades, the stats or watever...The Best Pure Basketball players top 5 is

Jordan
Kobe
Shaq
Bird
Wilt

IMO...
:wtf: I'm so happy to see people continue to ignore Wilt's greatness and KAJ also... why don't just directly rank Kobe as NO.1 instead of no.2?:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I just want you all to know that, I've taken your comments to heart and, I...I've done some soul searching. I realize now, the implications of my actions, the seriousness of my position, and where we truly stand, not just on this message board, or even basketball discussion, but, life...yes, LIFE. No man is an island, and I can tell that the bell tolls for me.

I am so, so sorry...and although you cannot hear me speak, cannot hear the depth of my remorse, I know that the NEW thread title will truly let you all see the depth of my feelings.

[MagicalLA]

EricForeman = most insecure poster in this site