Megan Fox's Transformers 3 replacement is......

[OneMoreSucka]

A victoria's secret model with no acting experience whatsoever. Goes to show how worthless that movie series is. Rosie Huntington-Whiteley.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Former-Fitness-Instructor-Confirmed-As-Megan-Fox-s-Transformers-3-Replacement-18748.html

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914358.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914389.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914346.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914375.jpg

[YouGotServed]

The movie is going to be shitty regardless of the replacement, might as well choose a hot girl like Megan.
Good pick IMO, no acting experience though...ouch.

[bada bing]

the 3rd one is going to be worse than the 2nd one. The only good thing in teh 2nd one was megan fox' hotness. And now i think the only good thing in the 3rd one will be this chick's hotness. besides that i could care less of this franchise. Bay is a jackass.

[EastCaliChillin]

This Girl > Megan Foxx
And Megan could never act anyways so its not a issue. Its not like they dropped Halle Berry or something

[AK47DR91]

^^^[towards EastCaliChillin] Yeah, not much acting needed for a Michael Bay movie anyway. This chick will be fine.

I won't be watching it though. Saw the first one and that was enough.

[OneMoreSucka]

So this is the next girl Michael Bay is going to f***?
Bingo

[RoTM]

someone get that chick some food.

[plowking]

She could do with some meat on her...

I heard Bay made Fox add a few pounds due to not liking overly skinny girls. I'm guessing this chick will have to do the same?

[jbot]

i think it's more like Bay is saying that anyone can act better than her and do her part.

[Lebron23]

She's pretty.

[Showtime]

Michael Bay's films have as much depth as a potato chip.

[pete's montreux]

Michael Bay's films have as much depth as a potato chip.
So not a lot of depth is what you're saying? Just want to be clear.

[YAWN]

id *** on her face

[branslowski]

Its so sad how much money he kicks out for "epic" effects and all that other good stuff, but fails at the movie....

I guess it's suppose to attract younger ppl? Meaning young as 14...Which I may be way off on since most original Transformer fans are all 30+...

[bdreason]

This entire series is a disgrace to the Transformers franchise.

[EroticVanilla]

This entire series is a disgrace to the humanity.
fixed

[YouGotServed]

fixed

God damn to humanity? :lol The movie is that bad?

[branslowski]

God damn to humanity? :lol The movie is that bad?

:oldlol: No...I liked some parts of the TF3...

[sixerfan82]

The first one wasn't too bad, the 2nd was kinda iffy. The 3rd is going to be BAD.

Someone get olivia wilde to shit on this new girl prz

[plowking]

I love all these fans of the old stuff that come in and always have the same opinion when the movies come out, no matter how good they are.

"It's ruined the entire franchise and comics/cartoons"

Same was said about Lord of the Rings, etc. Fanboys need to sit down and shut up. First film was quite good.

[BRabbiT]

this chick > megan fox





http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000131924-rosie_huntington-whiteley-fullsize.jpg


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.luxist.com/media/2008/07/rwhiteley.jpg


http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/rosie_huntington_whiteley_002-630x852.jpg

[EroticVanilla]

The new chick is prettier, but she doesn't have the sex appeal that Megan Fox has.

[vapid]

I love all these fans of the old stuff that come in and always have the same opinion when the movies come out, no matter how good they are.

"It's ruined the entire franchise and comics/cartoons"

Same was said about Lord of the Rings, etc. Fanboys need to sit down and shut up. First film was quite good.
Who said that about Lord of the Rings?

[BMOGEFan]

Even the robot chick in transformers 2 is better than fox.

[OneMoreSucka]

this chick > megan fox




Cuter but not as slutty.

[oh the horror]

This entire series is a disgrace to the Transformers franchise.



You know, part one initially to me wasnt too horrible...but as part 2, and now three begin to roll around, as a whole yeah.....its beginning to come off as silly and cheap.



I mean this fu*king "actress" doesnt even have experience, but she lands this role? Lame.

[plowking]

Who said that about Lord of the Rings?

You get plenty of the nerds having a cry.

[BRabbiT]

Cuter but not as slutty.


http://www.kitmeout.com/img_assets/rosie-huntington-whiteley.jpg

[plowking]

http://www.kitmeout.com/img_assets/rosie-huntington-whiteley.jpg

Oh yes yes.

[TonyJones]

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914358.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Juges8932]

I don't find her overwhelmingly attractive at all. She's pretty and I'd def smash, but nothing special IMO.

[TonyJones]

I don't find her overwhelmingly attractive at all. She's pretty and I'd def smash, but nothing special IMO.

She looks like she needs a hot bath, a warm meal, and a blanket. :oldlol:

[Juges8932]

She looks like she needs a hot bath, a warm meal, and a blanket. :oldlol:

Several large warm meals, lol.

[Lebron23]

http://www.kitmeout.com/img_assets/rosie-huntington-whiteley.jpg


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[vapid]

You get plenty of the nerds having a cry.
Weird, all the LOTR nerds I know (I'm probably not fanatic enough myself) loved it.

[imlmf]

So this is the next girl Michael Bay is going to f***?


already

[enayes]

trnasformers 2 was soo bad

[Kobe Jnr]

She's alright, a bit thin.

I find Megan Fox much more attractive..

[Disaprine]

she needs to eat more. A better replacement for a shitty movie.

[OneMoreSucka]

She looks like she needs a hot bath, a warm meal, and a blanket. :oldlol:
More like she looks like she needs a dick inside her.

[Lebron23]

More like she looks like she needs a dick inside her.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Poodle]

she's got a butterface like uma thurman


i liked the first transformers btw.

[Go Getter]

This Girl > Megan Foxx
And Megan could never act anyways so its not a issue. Its not like they dropped Halle Berry or something


Right...people act like Megan Fox is a good actress, lol

[bdreason]

I love all these fans of the old stuff that come in and always have the same opinion when the movies come out, no matter how good they are.

"It's ruined the entire franchise and comics/cartoons"

Same was said about Lord of the Rings, etc. Fanboys need to sit down and shut up. First film was quite good.


You're comparing LotR series to Transformers series?

:roll:

[plowking]

You're comparing LotR series to Transformers series?

:roll:

... which is exactly why I wrote, etc afterwards.

The first movie was good, despite the try-hard fanboy inside telling you other wise.

And why the hell not. They're both huge grossing series.

[vapid]

... which is exactly why I wrote, etc afterwards.

The first movie was good, despite the try-hard fanboy inside telling you other wise.
The thing is your point is wrong. LOTR was not considered a travesty by its fans, neither was Dark Knight, Iron Man, the first X-men movie, etc.

[ukplayer4]

The thing is your point is wrong. LOTR was not considered a travesty by its fans, neither was Dark Knight, Iron Man, the first X-men movie, etc.



you forgot watchmen, everyone, including the fans of the book loved that also. :D

[vapid]

you forgot watchmen, everyone, including the fans of the book loved that also. :D
:oldlol: I knew you would come in and say that.

[ukplayer4]

lord of the rings is a tour de force of big studio film making, they are perfect in every sense. the talent and effort put forth through every facet of film making is towering, lotr's is a labour of love.
transformers is throw away garbage, made by incompetent, untalented cretins, they are incomparable on any critical level.

[ukplayer4]

:oldlol: I knew you would come in and say that.



i suspected you did but couldnt miss out. i almost felt baited.

[Two Worlds]

I think they need to fire Michael Bay and hire a director who grew up with the franchise, or somebody who feels passionate about Transformers. Someone who is willing to ditch the humans entirely from these movies and focus on just the Transformers themselves. They already pandered to the clueless mainstream audiences with the first two movies...I think its time they threw a bone to the fans who grew up with the original cartoons. Set this new one in a Cyberton-looking world and have the Transformers duke it out like they were intended to.

Oh and bring in Unicron.:bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lo7JPLJUUU

The cartoon movie>Transformers 1 and 2

[DCL]

i didn't even care to watch the first two. it looked retarded from the start.

[RoseCity07]

Transformers 2 was absolute garbage. An hour of the movie should have been cut out, maybe more. It's like Bay told the editors to leave nothing for extras on the dvd release.

[QuebecBaller]

I think they need to fire Michael Bay and hire a director who grew up with the franchise, or somebody who feels passionate about Transformers. Someone who is willing to ditch the humans entirely from these movies and focus on just the Transformers themselves. They already pandered to the clueless mainstream audiences with the first two movies...I think its time they threw a bone to the fans who grew up with the original cartoons. Set this new one in a Cyberton-looking world and have the Transformers duke it out like they were intended to.

Oh and bring in Unicron.:bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lo7JPLJUUU

The cartoon movie>Transformers 1 and 2
:cheers: :cheers:

[BigTicket]

Meh, I'm not at all impressed.

There are at least a thousand girls in Hollywood better looking than her, and Megan Fox is certainly one of them.

Doesn't matter though, I've never seen any of the Transformer films (or any other Megan Fox movie), and I don't intend to see this one either.

[Kebab Stall]

So they're replacing a pretty girl (questionable) who can not act to save her drowning mother with a pretty girl who has never acted before?

To be fair, I'd probably take the girl who's never acted before over that pathetic acting Fox spews on us like hot garbage, any day of the week.

[HylianNightmare]

movie's going to be some more softcore shit but with a less attractive acctress

[Poodle]

lord of the rings is a tour de force of big studio film making, they are perfect in every sense. the talent and effort put forth through every facet of film making is towering, lotr's is a labour of love.
transformers is throw away garbage, made by incompetent, untalented cretins, they are incomparable on any critical level.


silly statement. making something as impossible as giant robots fighting around humans and it being believable without being stupid, is probably not that far away from lotr's 'labor of love'. at least the first one was very decent, and i don't think anybody would've thought a movie like transformers done with real actors could work before seeing it.

[bada bing]

lord of the rings is a tour de force of big studio film making, they are perfect in every sense. the talent and effort put forth through every facet of film making is towering, lotr's is a labour of love.
transformers is throw away garbage, made by incompetent, untalented cretins, they are incomparable on any critical level.

This.

Transformers is a money gimmick. This franchise treats its fans as delusional brain dead morons. The producers and that dumbass director are taking advantage of the stupidity of people. In a perfect world, Bay would not find a job in this industry and would be relegated to cleaning dishes in a cheap chinese restaurant. Sadly we live in a world where a franchise like the transformers brings in millions if not billions of dollars.

[Dasher]

Ewww....

[ukplayer4]

silly statement. making something as impossible as giant robots fighting around humans and it being believable without being stupid, is probably not that far away from lotr's 'labor of love'. at least the first one was very decent, and i don't think anybody would've thought a movie like transformers done with real actors could work before seeing it.



you havent the faintest conception of what you are talking about. if you think the quality of production on any level is even close there is no hope for you to ever have an appreciation of cinema.
the only thing the two have in commen is that they are both big studio productions that were expensive.
dont make me break down all the elements of each film, its insulting.

[vapid]

you havent the faintest conception of what you are talking about. if you think the quality of production on any level is even close there is no hope for you to ever have an appreciation of cinema.
the only thing the two have in commen is that they are both big studio productions that were expensive.
dont make me break down all the elements of each film, its insulting.
:oldlol: :applause:

[SCdac]

Just the fact that Fox is so easily and swiftly replaced, by somebody who is probably just as dumb and untalented as her, I find utterly hilarious. Narcissistic ******* like her need to be put in check, and this is a pretty good job of that. I'm obviously not a Megan Fox fan, though I was at first until I heard her talk, heard how she acts, and saw her "this is going to look ridiculous in 20 years" tattoos. Chicks like her are a dime a dozen, no exaggeration... As for the franchise, got to be kidding yourself if you think these movies are any more than popcorn action flicks (although, I give alot of props to what Industrial Light & Magic have done with those robots, and what they do in general).

[Poodle]

you havent the faintest conception of what you are talking about. if you think the quality of production on any level is even close there is no hope for you to ever have an appreciation of cinema.
the only thing the two have in commen is that they are both big studio productions that were expensive.
dont make me break down all the elements of each film, its insulting.


all i'm talking about is transformers 1, and if you think that movie was really that bad, your taste is wack'd. i'm not saying it was great or anything but it was very solid for a real person transformers. you definitely couldn't have made that content as well as they did, and made it believable with shifting giant robots into cars interacting with humans. most directors would've had a hard time with it, i'd argue more than a sword and fantasy epic like lotr that is a lot more generic in content to make believe.

the other thing about lotr is its not one of those movies you, or at least i can watch over and over again. its incredibly boring after like 2 watches. and while transformers 1 isn't something i'd go out of my way to watch, but its more watchable over and over again, sort of like Independence Day is...

i'm not saying lotr was bad, or even not a great epic fantasy. i do think its overrated by some people how great it is. i almost prefer the cartoon ones more, the singing in it is pretty awesome :pimp:

[Poodle]

:oldlol: :applause:


your moms a whore

[MK2V1GP]

Shia Lebouf is a lucky SOB. Gettin to make out with Megan Fox in the first two movies, now he'll be lockin lips with this beauty.

[bada bing]

after batman returns, nolan changed teh actress and got maggie gylenhal who is probably 100x a better actress than that idiot who played rachel in the first one (tom cruz's wife). Shows you what good directors look for....and thats talent. not just looks.

This idiot who control transformers, fired one brain dead loser and hires someone else with absolutely no experience. Is just relying on looks....this shows you what this movie is all about...

[BRabbiT]

Shia Lebouf is a lucky SOB. Gettin to make out with Megan Fox in the first two movies, now he'll be lockin lips with this beauty.




http://www.gifbin.com/bin/062009/1246273015_transformers_shia_labeouf_and_megan_fox .gif

[godofgods]

Transformers is a movie for retards.

[Pinkhearts]

Welcome to how life works. People just want to get entertained and are willing to pay for it. An action heavy film with great CGI and amazing effects is going to attract a lot of viewers who want excitement and a chance to unwind. Most people don't want to watch depth heavy 3 hours show that involves a lot of thinking and analysis of how the main character feels. BOOORING! So if Michael Bay can make movies that people are willing to fork out their hard earned money for, then he's doing a good job. There's no room for you to b!tch.

Why not think of it like this:



This.

Basketball is a money gimmick. This sport treats its fans as delusional brain dead morons. Running back and forth throwing balls into baskets are you kidding me? The producers and the dumbass athletes are taking advantage of the stupidity of people. In a perfect world, athletes would not find a job in this industry and would be relegated to cleaning dishes in a cheap chinese restaurant. Sadly we live in a world where a sport like basketball brings in millions if not billions of dollars.

I'm sure this will help you get it.

[Poodle]

Welcome to how life works. People just want to get entertained and are willing to pay for it. An action heavy film with great CGI and amazing effects is going to attract a lot of viewers who want excitement and a chance to unwind. Most people don't want to watch depth heavy 3 hours show that involves a lot of thinking and analysis of how the main character feels. BOOORING! So if Michael Bay can make movies that people are willing to fork out their hard earned money for, then he's doing a good job. There's no room for you to b!tch.

Why not think of it like this:




I'm sure this will help you get it.


exactly. they aren't meant to be profound, or where you have to pay attention each and every second or miss something major. they're meant purely for entertainment(which most movies are, even if i have to argue with some idiots here on that point), enjoying the ride, and walking away satisfied.

the biggest joke to me is a lot of the movies people hype up here are extremely overrated, and their bandwagons are too. i mean you'd think the hurt locker was the Godfather or some shit the way people talk about it, but all it is is some badass bomb expert, and '24' style action camera work to make it all so suspenseful. the content of it being in iraq and rather realistic adds to the bandwagon hype of overrating it. its an extremely overrated movie in relation to the hype its been getting. munich was extremely overrated too. i remember watching that after someone here hyped it like crazy and afterward i was just like :wtf: i hate the fact that people hype movies based on the content of it ,and it not being 95% based on the entertainment value of it.

but like all things its a matter of opinion i guess. not to mention in regards to transformers age groups matter a lot, just like with brittney spears music.

[ukplayer4]

Welcome to how life works. People just want to get entertained and are willing to pay for it. An action heavy film with great CGI and amazing effects is going to attract a lot of viewers who want excitement and a chance to unwind. Most people don't want to watch depth heavy 3 hours show that involves a lot of thinking and analysis of how the main character feels. BOOORING! So if Michael Bay can make movies that people are willing to fork out their hard earned money for, then he's doing a good job. There's no room for you to b!tch.

Why not think of it like this:




I'm sure this will help you get it.


exactly. they aren't meant to be profound, or where you have to pay attention each and every second or miss something major. they're meant purely for entertainment(which most movies are, even if i have to argue with some idiots here on that point), enjoying the ride, and walking away satisfied.

the biggest joke to me is a lot of the movies people hype up here are extremely overrated, and their bandwagons are too. i mean you'd think the hurt locker was the Godfather or some shit the way people talk about it, but all it is is some badass bomb expert, and '24' style action camera work to make it all so suspenseful. the content of it being in iraq and rather realistic adds to the bandwagon hype of overrating it. its an extremely overrated movie in relation to the hype its been getting. munich was extremely overrated too. i remember watching that after someone here hyped it like crazy and afterward i was just like :wtf: i hate the fact that people hype movies based on the content of it ,and it not being 95% based on the entertainment value of it.

but like all things its a matter of opinion i guess. not to mention in regards to transformers age groups matter a lot, just like with brittney spears music.




you simply dont understand. you consider everything that purely aims to entertain as being on the same level artistically, that is just your inability to understand and critic the medium.

the whole reason why people have been using lord of the rings in this argument is because it blows transformers out of the water in terms of film making whilst being of a similar ilk interms of genre. lotr is not highbrow film making, it is simply top of the line big studio productions aimed at everyone, people of all ages enjoy them- they are highly entertaining yet they are loaded with artistic integrity.

just because a film is aimed at younger people primarily does not give it the right to be insultingly stupid and badly made. do you really need me to point this out.

the fact that you find transformers to have more rewatchability than lotr is just sickening. ive seen transformers twice and the first half whist terrible in many ways actually has some nice ideas and is fairly well executed, the second half is just an utter mess- there is no other way to describe it. ive seen the lord of the rings films maybe 10 times each and there is detail and beauty through out every film, they are infinatly better in every sense and have far, far more value for rewatching and that isnt even open for discussion. transformers is pornography, its not narrative film its porn, it functions in exactly the same way that porn does except it is aimed at 11 year olds.

once again i will restate that a film of lightweight subject matter or simply made for entertainment does not excuse it from being poorely made. what a film is about does not elevate its status, the fact that lotr is actually of substance doesnt make it any better than transformers or infact the purple headed people eater, or even earnest goes to camp. what makes it better is the fact that it is better made on every level.

i can sense the inability of some people to comprehend quality is gonna make me actually have to write a post specifically pointing out what is good and bad and why and what works and doesnt and why...the very thought of it makes me feel sick.

poodle despite what you think no knowledgable person in the field of film has ever "hyped" a film simply because of its content. you are confussed, it maybe that many films about serious subjects attract the best film makers and therfore tend to produce better films but thats not the same thing at all.
the hurt lockers subject matter actually hurt it more than it helped, nobody wants to see films about that these days, proof is all there for you, it didnt even get a major release in the states and made no money despite its awards wins. greenzone is similar subject matter and recieved generally bad reviews- thats because it isnt a great film like the hurt locker.

[Pinkhearts]

you simply dont understand. you consider everything that purely aims to entertain as being on the same level artistically, that is just your inability to understand and critic the medium.

the whole reason why people have been using lord of the rings in this argument is because it blows transformers out of the water in terms of film making whilst being of a similar ilk interms of genre. lotr is not highbrow film making, it is simply top of the line big studio productions aimed at everyone, people of all ages enjoy them- they are highly entertaining yet they are loaded with artistic integrity.

just because a film is aimed at younger people primarily does not give it the right to be insultingly stupid and badly made. do you really need me to point this out.

the fact that you find transformers to have more rewatchability than lotr is just sickening. ive seen transformers twice and the first half whist terrible in many ways actually has some nice ideas and is fairly well executed, the second half is just an utter mess- there is no other way to describe it. ive seen the lord of the rings films maybe 10 times each and there is detail and beauty through out every film, they are infinatly better in every sense and have far, far more value for rewatching and that isnt even open for discussion. transformers is pornography, its not narrative film its porn, it functions in exactly the same way that porn does except it is aimed at 11 year olds.

once again i will restate that a film of lightweight subject matter or simply made for entertainment does not excuse it from being poorely made. what a film is about does not elevate its status, the fact that lotr is actually of substance doesnt make it any better than transformers or infact the purple headed people eater, or even earnest goes to camp. what makes it better is the fact that it is better made on every level.

i can sense the inability of some people to comprehend quality is gonna make me actually have to write a post specifically pointing out what is good and bad and why and what works and doesnt and why...the very thought of it makes me feel sick.

poodle despite what you think no knowledgable person in the field of film has ever "hyped" a film simply because of its content. you are confussed, it maybe that many films about serious subjects attract the best film makers and therfore tend to produce better films but thats not the same thing at all.
the hurt lockers subject matter actually hurt it more than it helped, nobody wants to see films about that these days, proof is all there for you, it didnt even get a major release in the states and made no money despite its awards wins. greenzone is similar subject matter and recieved generally bad reviews- thats because it isnt a great film like the hurt locker.

What you don't get is who gives a shit whether it's a better movie. If people want to buy crap, you package up your crap and sell it to them for huge profits. No one is looking for excuses and no one is ashamed about it. I'm selling crap to people for money. Why would I want to be selling diamonds instead of crap when people are demanding for crap and will pay me more for it than diamonds?

Following your reasoning, we shouldn't excuse basketball being such a crappy game. Basketball players should switch to playing chess instead. So much more depth, so much more thinking, so much more re-playability, simply a much better made game. There won't be people screaming that the game is rigged, that the refs are ruining the game, that rules are not being followed, that the opposing team just lucked out....all this bullshit does not exist in chess. So are you going to be switching to playing chess anytime soon? Obviously not, because your dumbass brain does not enjoy thinking and analyzing a chess game as much as you will enjoy the high flying action from a basketball game. Very similar to how dumbass people might prefer to watch Transformers over Schindler's list.

[JohnnySic]

Michal Bay movies are pure schlock; they may as well aim to be bad.

[spree43]

Pinkhearts your basketball arguements makes no sense. Either you are really young or just not very gifted at debating a topic. Either way, move on.

The point is that there are plenty of big budget 'action' movies that also show a story that makes sense and the acting is good enough that it doesn't distract you from what's happening.

For example movies like Gladiator and the matrix blow it out of the water. But there are also 100% action movies where the storyline is at least solid, like Ironman or those types of movies.

An example from Transformers, to help you understand. When they get the cube they take it to the city. Why? So more people can die and the city gets destroyed? Why not fight in the desert?

We all know they did it so that the final scene looked cooler, but that's just lazy film making. I was watching the last 30 minutes thinking "yeah this looks cool but why is it happening again?". At least give us a reason to go back to the city, or have the cube in the city originally ..... anything to help me believe what I'm seeing so I can get involved and enjoy the action more. When you believe the story you are more involved, the action and the overall experience is better. Poor acting also affects this.

[Pinkhearts]

Pinkhearts your basketball arguements makes no sense. Either you are really young or just not very gifted at debating a topic. Either way, move on.

Move on? Nice way of addressing the analogy by simply saying that it makes no sense and asking the debater to move on. If you are a good at debating you can at least point out where it does not make sense. You probably have got nothing on it except to feel bad that you're being called out and you're trying to insult the debater to make yourself feel better.


The point is that there are plenty of big budget 'action' movies that also show a story that makes sense and the acting is good enough that it doesn't distract you from what's happening.

For example movies like Gladiator and the matrix blow it out of the water. But there are also 100% action movies where the storyline is at least solid, like Ironman or those types of movies.

And there are plenty of games and sports that also have solid rules and gameplay that is good enough that does not distract you from what's happening. In chess, you lose because you are the weaker player and have made a mistake. There is no "Refs are blind, that was a foul!" kinda bullshit. No travelling bullshit. And there aren't a ton of silly rules that are dicey calls and serve to make the game more complicated such as the 3 second rule and the illegal defense rules. Even in football the rules are simpler and more solid, with only offside being the most weird complicated rule and diving/foul calls being the most dicey calls. But are you gonna go watch these games and sports instead? No, you will still watch basketball as you still enjoy the high flying action and high scoring games.


An example from Transformers, to help you understand. When they get the cube they take it to the city. Why? So more people can die and the city gets destroyed? Why not fight in the desert?

We all know they did it so that the final scene looked cooler, but that's just lazy film making. I was watching the last 30 minutes thinking "yeah this looks cool but why is it happening again?". At least give us a reason to go back to the city, or have the cube in the city originally ..... anything to help me believe what I'm seeing so I can get involved and enjoy the action more. When you believe the story you are more involved, the action and the overall experience is better. Poor acting also affects this.

No one here is arguing that the movie is good and that the plot is bulletproof solid. What is being stated here is that people want to watch Transformers and will pay to watch Transformers 3, because of the great CGI and action as well as having a hot b!tch straddling a bike. If you are arguing that the acting and plot sucks you are missing the point. Sure they really could have the plot a lot better, but if you have a million dollars budget left and 1 month to the movie release, will you use the million to improve the plot or to improve the action? If you waste your time and money on the story that you are obviously wrong and do not understand your target market.

If Gladiator 2 and Transformers 3 come out at the same time, which one do you think will draw in more viewers and make more money? Methinks T3 will win. And that's what counts, giving the audience what they want and making more money

[spree43]

Chess and basketball have nothing to do with each other. It doesn't really need explaining. Ones a spectator sport, the other isn't.

A better analogy is that
Well made movie (eg LotR) = the NBA
Transformers = And 1 or Slamball

And 1/Slamball is really highflying and exciting and the casual fan might enjoy it more than watching an NBA game. But a true fan of basketball realises that it's all meaningless and the legit players are in the NBA. The real fan enjoys a great move in the NBA more than an incredible move in And 1 streetball, because it has substance, it means something

Transformers is all flash and gimmicks and anyone with half a brain gets sick of it real fast, because of has no substance

[goldenryan]

I won't be watching it though. Saw the first one and that was enough.

this. the movie should've been free to watch cause it was like a 90 min commercial. oh there's the mountain dew bot, only the chevy camaro bot can take care of hi. shit just got real let me call another no talent actor on my razor *camera zooms in on razor phone*

man i know tranformers isn't much of a serious idea to work with, but at lease try to make the audience not feel like marks.

[Poodle]

you simply dont understand. you consider everything that purely aims to entertain as being on the same level artistically, that is just your inability to understand and critic the medium.

the whole reason why people have been using lord of the rings in this argument is because it blows transformers out of the water in terms of film making whilst being of a similar ilk interms of genre. lotr is not highbrow film making, it is simply top of the line big studio productions aimed at everyone, people of all ages enjoy them- they are highly entertaining yet they are loaded with artistic integrity.

just because a film is aimed at younger people primarily does not give it the right to be insultingly stupid and badly made. do you really need me to point this out.

the fact that you find transformers to have more rewatchability than lotr is just sickening. ive seen transformers twice and the first half whist terrible in many ways actually has some nice ideas and is fairly well executed, the second half is just an utter mess- there is no other way to describe it. ive seen the lord of the rings films maybe 10 times each and there is detail and beauty through out every film, they are infinatly better in every sense and have far, far more value for rewatching and that isnt even open for discussion. transformers is pornography, its not narrative film its porn, it functions in exactly the same way that porn does except it is aimed at 11 year olds.

once again i will restate that a film of lightweight subject matter or simply made for entertainment does not excuse it from being poorely made. what a film is about does not elevate its status, the fact that lotr is actually of substance doesnt make it any better than transformers or infact the purple headed people eater, or even earnest goes to camp. what makes it better is the fact that it is better made on every level.

i can sense the inability of some people to comprehend quality is gonna make me actually have to write a post specifically pointing out what is good and bad and why and what works and doesnt and why...the very thought of it makes me feel sick.

poodle despite what you think no knowledgable person in the field of film has ever "hyped" a film simply because of its content. you are confussed, it maybe that many films about serious subjects attract the best film makers and therfore tend to produce better films but thats not the same thing at all.
the hurt lockers subject matter actually hurt it more than it helped, nobody wants to see films about that these days, proof is all there for you, it didnt even get a major release in the states and made no money despite its awards wins. greenzone is similar subject matter and recieved generally bad reviews- thats because it isnt a great film like the hurt locker.



you're just way too full of your own opinion to realize the reality of 'most' people. you aren't 'most' people. your opinions sure as hell don't represent 'most' people. so don't talk like you know how content doesn't make people go watch it(9/11 movie). there are hundreds of movies made where the popularity of the subject matter gets a lot of people to go watch it, or think its good. to say a movie based on a soldier in Iraq being the hero hurts it is completely idiotic. i don't know why you keep talking like you know what you're talking about liike you're so sure of yourself, other than your own minority opinon on everything movies :confusedshrug:

most people go to movies for entertainment. you and less than .00000004% go for 'artistic value'. i could care less about you're small % opinions, but just don't pretend you're speaking for most people, or its some absolute.

lotr took a lot more legwork probably to make, but i don't care what you say with your absolutes, i've seen tv shows with similar typical sword and fantasy special effrects. never seen a director make a movie about giant robots turning into cars interacting with humans and it being remotely believable if it wasn't cartoon tho. i could make a lotr a whole lot easier than trying to make a rl transformers remotely believable. as for replayability, lotr is way too drawn out and knowing everything thats going to happen in combination with that makes the replayability of it horrible. at least the shallow action'ness to Transformers, just like Independence DAy makes it rewatchable for most people. and there is NO way any of you can pretend it was horrible for the audience lvl of kids. how would YOU know anyways? you try to criticize it for putting up a lot at the box office, at the same time acting like it was garbage across all audience lvls :wtf:

your opinions are just like typical music fans here, and all it amounts to is your opinion, definitely not most people. its really a joke here how everyone hates on popular or mainstream, while proping their minority shit like its so great. almost like its the rule with a lot of you,.

[LJJ]

you're just way too full of your own opinion to realize the reality of 'most' people. you aren't 'most' people. you're opinions sure as hell don't represent 'most' people. so don't talk like you know how content doesn't make people go watch it(9/11 movie). there are hundreds of movies made where the popularity of the subject matter gets a lot of people to go watch it, or think its good. to say a movie based on a soldier in Iraq being the hero hurts it is completely idiotic. i don't know why you keep talking like you know what you're talking about liike you're so sure of yourself, other than your own minority opinon on everything movies :confusedshrug:

most people go to movies for entertainment. you and less than .00000004% go for 'artistic value'. i could care less about you're small % opinions, but just don't pretend you're speaking for most people, or its some absolute.

lotr took a lot more legwork probably to make, but i don't care what you say with your absolutes, i've seen tv shows with similar typical sword and fantasy special effrects. never seen a director make a movie about giant robots turning into cars interacting with humans and it being remotely believable if it wasn't cartoon tho. i could make a lotr a whole lot easier than trying to make a rl transformers remotely believable. as for replayability, lotr is way too drawn out and knowing everything thats going to happen in combination with that makes the replayability of it horrible. at least the shallow action'ness to Transformers, just like Independence DAy makes it rewatchable for most people. and there is NO way any of you can pretend it was horrible for the audience lvl of kids. how would YOU know anyways? you try to criticize it for putting up a lot at the box office, at the same time acting like it was garbage across all audience lvls :wtf:

your opinions are just like typical music fans here, and all it amounts to is your opinion, definitely not most people. its really a joke here how everyone hates on popular or mainstream, while proping their minority shit like its so great. almost like its the rule with a lot of you,.

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you acting like Lord of the Rings is some kind of cult release?

Lord of the Rings is one of the most popular movie franchises of all time. It was a huge cinema success and a huge DVD success. No matter how you look at it, LOTR was more popular than the Transformers movie.

And here you are pulling the "you all just hate mainstream" card. LOTR is about as mainstream as it gets son.

[Poodle]

Pinkhearts your basketball arguements makes no sense. Either you are really young or just not very gifted at debating a topic. Either way, move on.

The point is that there are plenty of big budget 'action' movies that also show a story that makes sense and the acting is good enough that it doesn't distract you from what's happening.

For example movies like Gladiator and the matrix blow it out of the water. But there are also 100% action movies where the storyline is at least solid, like Ironman or those types of movies.

An example from Transformers, to help you understand. When they get the cube they take it to the city. Why? So more people can die and the city gets destroyed? Why not fight in the desert?

We all know they did it so that the final scene looked cooler, but that's just lazy film making. I was watching the last 30 minutes thinking "yeah this looks cool but why is it happening again?". At least give us a reason to go back to the city, or have the cube in the city originally ..... anything to help me believe what I'm seeing so I can get involved and enjoy the action more. When you believe the story you are more involved, the action and the overall experience is better. Poor acting also affects this.


lol who cares if they took it to the city instead of the desert? there is stupid crap anyone could point out in probably almost every action movie, or movie in general ever to exist. why do people always split up in horror movies? in kung fu movies with guns, why don't they ever grab one instead of pretending to keep kicking everyones ass with an uzi using a sword or kung fu? why didn't the rulers sister just poison the emperor in Gladiator? wouldn't that have been a whole lot easier than sneaking around to bringing an army in to overthrow him? and its not like the matrix's didn't get pretty stupid after the first one...

i don't know about you but i got Transformers1's story. it made sense to me. in fact i thought it would've been something a lot of kids woud've loved. i know i would've back in the day when i was into that stuff, and i'd be surprised if it wasn't huge in Asia/Japan where they're fanatical about things along those lines.

[Poodle]

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you acting like Lord of the Rings is some kind of cult release?

Lord of the Rings is one of the most popular movie franchises of all time. It was a huge cinema success and a huge DVD success. No matter how you look at it, LOTR was more popular than the Transformers movie.

And here you are pulling the "you all just hate mainstream" card. LOTR is about as mainstream as it gets son.


i never said it was bad idiot. i said the rewatchability was horrible. its long as shit, slow in a lot of parts, and knowing exactly what happens makes only bored ass retards able to watch it more than a few times. i said it was a very epic movie in my first reply.

i'm talking about the general attitudes here, and don't even act like one example of people liking a mainstream movie proves thats not true with a lot of ISH posters. you've got to be kidding me.

[LJJ]

i never said it was bad idiot. i said the rewatchability was horrible. its long as shit, slow in a lot of parts, and knowing exactly what happens makes only bored ass retards able to watch it more than a few times. i said it was a very epic movie in my first reply.

i'm talking about the general attitudes here, and don't even act like one example of people liking a mainstream movie proves thats not true with a lot of ISH posters. you've got to be kidding me.

The rewatchability of Transformers is better? Very arbitrary.

If people didn't feel like watching LOTR again, why does everyone and their parents own the boxed DVD set?

You are just throwing opinions out there, with nothing to back it up. And then you pull the "you all are just backpackers" card like it's supposed to make your argument valid.

[srekaL]

I agree Transformers 2 storyline and acting were terrible and the movie was very boring.

It's funny because most of my immature friends seem to have liked Transformers, but the friends that I talk about movies with and look deeper into movies thought this movie was a joke.

[srekaL]

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[Poodle]

The rewatchability of Transformers is better? Very arbitrary.

If people didn't feel like watching LOTR again, why does everyone and their parents own the boxed DVD set?

You are just throwing opinions out there, with nothing to back it up. And then you pull the "you all are just backpackers" card like it's supposed to make your argument valid.


funny considering i have lotr on dvd, all of them. i don't have transformers. but i'd easily watch transformers1 when it pops on tv over lotr, of which i've watched only once after buying it(saw them in the movies first tho) for the reasons i mentioned. maybe its my opinion, and i'm sure there are some people who will sit through that very slow at parts 3 hours over and over again knowing whats going to happen, but i'd argue its a whole lot easier to watch transformers1 due to its action shallowness again, than a lotr. yes its my opinion.

i could care less if you're offended by me saying that about a lot of people here, or you not believing its true or some lame card to play. thats just your opinion also. guess we'll have to agree to disagree because i'd swear by it.

[Poodle]

I agree Transformers 2 storyline and acting were terrible and the movie was very boring.

It's funny because most of my immature friends seem to have liked Transformers, but the friends that I talk about movies with and look deeper into movies thought this movie was a joke.


you mean how 11 yr olds love Schindler's list, and 40 yr olds love Donald Duck?

[Juges8932]

Chess and basketball have nothing to do with each other. It doesn't really need explaining. Ones a spectator sport, the other isn't.

A better analogy is that
Well made movie (eg LotR) = the NBA
Transformers = And 1 or Slamball

And 1/Slamball is really highflying and exciting and the casual fan might enjoy it more than watching an NBA game. But a true fan of basketball realises that it's all meaningless and the legit players are in the NBA. The real fan enjoys a great move in the NBA more than an incredible move in And 1 streetball, because it has substance, it means something

Transformers is all flash and gimmicks and anyone with half a brain gets sick of it real fast, because of has no substance

I agree with your analogy and post, aside from the bold. Just because it isn't an in-depth, intellectual movie, doesn't mean it still can't be appreciated for entertainment. You should know what movie you are seeing when you go to watch Transformers. Sure, if you have expectations of it being this great movie, with an awesome storyline and acting, then you are going to be disappointed. If you go in expecting to see some cool CGI and action, without over-analyzing it, you can enjoy it just fine.

IMO, yeah, LOTR shits all over Transformers from the artistic/intellectual stand-point, as it is superior in acting, story, and filming. But Transformers isn't nearly as heavy and I think makes it easier to watch over again. You don't have to devote nearly as much of your attention when watching it again. I think it depends the circumstances under which you are going to watch it over again. If you are just laying in bed on a rainy day or with a friend or two just watching a movie, LOTR is probably the better choice. If you have a bunch of friends over and/or just have it on in the background while doing other things, Transformers is probably the better choice. If you can't get over the shallowness of Transformers, then yeah, you'd only watch LOTR over again. Otherwise, I think both have rewatchability, just under different circumstances.

[LJJ]

funny considering i have lotr on dvd, all of them. i don't have transformers. but i'd easily watch transformers1 when it pops on tv over lotr, of which i've watched only once after buying it(saw them in the movies first tho) for the reasons i mentioned. maybe its my opinion, and i'm sure there are some people who will sit through that very slow at parts 3 hours over and over again knowing whats going to happen, but i'd argue its a whole lot easier to watch transformers1 due to its action shallowness again, than a lotr. yes its my opinion.

i could care less if you're offended by me saying that about a lot of people here, or you not believing its true or some lame card to play. thats just your opinion also. guess we'll have to agree to disagree because i'd swear by it.

I'm not offended. Personally I don't care for LOTR or Transformers at all.

I just thought your post was funny. You get on someone like ukplayer and you claim it's just typical ISH talk. With the experts hating everything mainstream. But his opinion is objectively far more defensible than your own opinion. So you are the one who is arguing a more alternative stance, while you are hating on the people who do exactly that.

That amuses me.

[Pinkhearts]

Chess and basketball have nothing to do with each other. It doesn't really need explaining. Ones a spectator sport, the other isn't.
Chess and basketball are both games aren't they? If you are hard up for a spectator sport example, why not consider football or even baseball?



A better analogy is that
Well made movie (eg LotR) = the NBA
Transformers = And 1 or Slamball

And 1/Slamball is really highflying and exciting and the casual fan might enjoy it more than watching an NBA game. But a true fan of basketball realises that it's all meaningless and the legit players are in the NBA. The real fan enjoys a great move in the NBA more than an incredible move in And 1 streetball, because it has substance, it means something

Transformers is all flash and gimmicks and anyone with half a brain gets sick of it real fast, because of has no substance

That's fair to say until your very last statement. The NBA is obviously a better made product than Slamball and thus people are more willing to pay to watch the NBA. And Slamball focuses more on the high flying action but its suckiness in other areas bring the overall quality down to beyond basketball. That's why basketball is a better watch.

But to say that Transformers is as badly made as slamball and have the same appeal is just wrong. It has been proven that there is high demand to watch Transformers and they have been making so much money that they are making a third movie. If the demand is not there it isn't going to be so big. If slamball was better, people will be clamouring and paying to watch slamball and it will become bigger than basketball soon enough.

Transformers isn't trashy enough to turn off the general public. The proof? Look at the box office $$$. Its weak plot is not weak enough to turn off the movie goers looking for action. If they made a movie with just a bunch of robots falling out of the sky and started fighting with random explosions and the blowing up of New York City with absolutely zero story and transition, it will be so bad as no one will pay to watch a 2 hour CGI clip. That will be equal to slamball with the action and piss-poor gameplay.

Transformers with a sensible story and great action is equal basketball with action and decent rules. If you want solid gameplay with solid rules and less action, you will be looking at other better games. You always need to find a balance with the entertainment action and game stability to become popular. Similarly, you need to have great action in a movie without a story that pisses off the general public to be successful and money making. And Michael Bay found a balance that is raking in big money. Why should he stop?

The problem here is that you are missing the point about who gives a shit what a good movie is? If people want to watch slamball and you will make huge cash being a slamball player, you will train hard to become a slamball pro. If people want to watch basketball, you will train hard to become a basketball player. If you are good at chess and get make much more money playing chess than basketball than you should be playing chess. The best game is the game with the strongest audience and the biggest moneymaking potential. The same goes for movies- the ones that make the most money will continue to keep getting made. If the world is perfect everyone will be working hard to save lives, protect the environment and making the world a better place and instead of watching people toss balls around and watch TV robots kill each other. People want to be entertained and will pay for whatever entertains them. You can say you are right because your choice of entertainment is so "deep"/

[Poodle]

I'm not offended. Personally I don't care for LOTR or Transformers at all.

I just thought your post was funny. You get on someone like ukplayer and you claim it's just typical ISH talk. With the experts hating everything mainstream. But his opinion is objectively far more defensible than your own opinion. So you are the one who is arguing a more alternative stance, while you are hating on the people who do exactly that.

That amuses me.


it amuses me you didn't argue any of the points where i told him he was wrong. didn't cite anything to prove what i said was 'funny' to you. be specific if his opinion was more defensible. defend him then. why are you scared to be more direct? i'm not going to bite you if you want to make his argument for him.

by all means tell me how so many people watch movies for the artsy side vs entertainment. tell me how the hurt locker's content being about an American hero bomb expert in Iraq hurts it from it being successful? tell me how dragons, monsters, and magic is so much more difficult to make believe than giant robots turning into cars?

you've already misread me supposedly saying i thought lotr sucked, when i didn't say anything along those lines. so if you want to take ukplayer's side saying everything i said was indefensible, put up or shut up thx.

i also don't get why you're so hung up or upset about me making the generalization about mainstream stuff hate on ish. i think most people here know thats true to a degree at the very least, and you sure as hell aren't changing my mind on the obvious. not my fault you can't see it. its also a rather common attitude many people into music/movies have...

[LJJ]

it amuses me you didn't argue any of the points where i told him he was wrong. didn't cite anything to prove what i said was 'funny' to you. be specific if his opinion was more defensible. defend him then. why are you scared to be more direct? i'm not going to bite you if you want to make his argument for him.

His argument that LOTR is artistically superior is easily defensible. Just look at critical acclaim, awards, etc. LOTR is more rewatchable is also easily defensible, because people actually went to see it in the cinema, and bought the DVDs as well.

It's real shameful for you that points like these need to be laid out for you.



by all means tell me how so many people watch movies for the artsy side vs entertainment. tell me how the hurt locker's content being about an American hero bomb expert in Iraq hurts it from it being successful? tell me how dragons, monsters, and magic is so much more difficult to make believe than giant robots turning into cars?

I don't know what "people watch movies for artsy" is supposed to mean.... Again, we were talking about LOTR versus Transformers. You are the one who suddenly turns the argument into The Hurt Locker, but nobody else is talking about that.

So LOTR is more artsy than Transformers or something? Either way, more people went to see it. And if that is what your argument boils down to; "if more people like it, that automatically means it's better", why are you even arguing?

And yeah, dragons and hobbits are more believable than car robots. You are completely right on that. :oldlol: Cot damn.


you've already misread me supposedly saying i thought lotr sucked, when i didn't say anything along those lines. so if you want to take ukplayer's side saying everything i said was indefensible, put up or shut up thx.

Yeah, I thought that you thought that LOTR sucked. :rolleyes: I don't know where you get this shit from. You must have a mental disease where you keep remembering things that didn't happen.
Care to quote me on that? I was just responding on your contradictory views.

[Poodle]

His argument that LOTR is artistically superior is easily defensible. Just look at critical acclaim, awards, etc. LOTR is more rewatchable is also easily defensible, because people actually went to see it in the cinema, and bought the DVDs as well.

It's real shameful for you that points like these need to be laid out for you.




I don't know what "people watch movies for artsy" is supposed to mean.... Again, we were talking about LOTR versus Transformers. You are the one who suddenly turns the argument into The Hurt Locker, but nobody else is talking about that.

So LOTR is more artsy than Transformers or something? Either way, more people went to see it. And if that is what your argument boils down to; "if more people like it, that automatically means it's better", why are you even arguing?

And yeah, dragons and hobbits are more believable than car robots. You are completely right on that. :oldlol: Cot damn.



Yeah, I thought that you thought that LOTR sucked. :rolleyes: I don't know where you get this shit from. You must have a mental disease where you keep remembering things that didn't happen.
Care to quote me on that? I was just responding on your contradictory views.



damn you're f'in stupid. you aren't even addressing what me and ukplayer argued about at all, and this is the second time you've replied with some garbage that has nothing to do with our argument, while trying to defend him. go back to his post to me to find out where 'artsy' was brought up dumbass.

and all i said was transformers content is harder to make real than your generic sword and magic fantasy. you somehow turn that into me saying lotr was some cult release? how you get from a to b on that is some retard thought process.

the hurt locker was brought up btw because its just typical of a lot of you film authorities here to ride the bandwagon and put that on some huge pedestal, and then try to put down other movies acting like its some mainstream bandwagon. if anythings the bandwagon its hurt locker kid.

[ukplayer4]

poodle i actually think you are not understanding what ljj is saying because he is actually adressing some of the points you are making, you are just choosing to say he isnt or you arent comprehending what he is saying....

perhaps theres been some confussion over me saying that lotr holds more artistic value than transformers...i think you are reading that as if i am saying that it appeals more on a high brow level. thats not what i mean at all, every level of production- artistic value is greater. it satisfys and achieves on every level, the most praise you could possibly give to transformers is that on the narrowest of levels it achieves enough to satisfy the candy floss crowds and nothing more.

for the record, depsite denying it, you have several times implyed that lotr is somehow only held in higher regard among the critical elite and that general consensus is that transformers is more widely appreciated, i dont know if you are backing down from this but it is farsical.

i have no idea what you are talking about regarding that theory of the hurt locker and its 'bandwagon' i mean how is something more 'bandwagon' than something else that is infinatly more popular?


poodle in response to me writing this
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poodle despite what you think no knowledgable person in the field of film has ever "hyped" a film simply because of its content. you are confussed, it maybe that many films about serious subjects attract the best film makers and therfore tend to produce better films but thats not the same thing at all.
the hurt lockers subject matter actually hurt it more than it helped, nobody wants to see films about that these days, proof is all there for you, it didnt even get a major release in the states and made no money despite its awards wins. greenzone is similar subject matter and recieved generally bad reviews- thats because it isnt a great film like the hurt locker.


you responded with


you're just way too full of your own opinion to realize the reality of 'most' people. you aren't 'most' people. your opinions sure as hell don't represent 'most' people. so don't talk like you know how content doesn't make people go watch it(9/11 movie). there are hundreds of movies made where the popularity of the subject matter gets a lot of people to go watch it, or think its good. to say a movie based on a soldier in Iraq being the hero hurts it is completely idiotic. i don't know why you keep talking like you know what you're talking about liike you're so sure of yourself, other than your own minority opinon on everything movies


firstly- i already told you the hurt locker didnt even recieve a mainstream release and barley made its budget back despite being the most critically acclaimed and awards winning film. the hurt locker is from a big director and is a war film, with massive praise so how exactly did it not even warrant a nation wide release if as you say the subject matter didnt hurt it?

your other point about subject matter is true to an extent, people do go to see films because of their subject matter, thats true but this does not make a film good, how can you think this? are you suggesting that dumb people liking badly made films are correct to hold bad films in high regard simply because of subject matter forsaking every level of artistic and technical achievement? :hammerhead:




Originally Posted by Pinkhearts
What you don't get is who gives a shit whether it's a better movie. If people want to buy crap, you package up your crap and sell it to them for huge profits. No one is looking for excuses and no one is ashamed about it. I'm selling crap to people for money. Why would I want to be selling diamonds instead of crap when people are demanding for crap and will pay me more for it than diamonds?


you are missing the entire purposse of films i see. maybe you dont care if you are fed crap or not but i, like every other sane and rational human being prefer the films i watch to not be crap........oh yeah lets give praise to everyone who sells crap to us because they have succesfully sold us crap :roll: :roll: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: perfect sense, you argue in favor of bad films, because, well because they are bad.... you prefer bad films? this is a thread about films not "so who succesfully made a worse film yet was profitable?" for sure transformers succeeded in being a poor film yet made lots of money, that somehow makes it better does it?


Following your reasoning, we shouldn't excuse basketball being such a crappy game. Basketball players should switch to playing chess instead. So much more depth, so much more thinking, so much more re-playability, simply a much better made game. There won't be people screaming that the game is rigged, that the refs are ruining the game, that rules are not being followed, that the opposing team just lucked out....all this bullshit does not exist in chess. So are you going to be switching to playing chess anytime soon? Obviously not, because your dumbass brain does not enjoy thinking and analyzing a chess game as much as you will enjoy the high flying action from a basketball game. Very similar to how dumbass people might prefer to watch Transformers over Schindler's list.[/

as someone has already said, this is just insane gibberish, basketball is a sport, chess is a game and film is an artform, neither chess nor basketball are even remotely comparable to film or relevant for an analogy, seriously what ****ing planet do you live on?


i have no idea what pinkhearts is trying to say here really, but poodle i think weve taken this about as far as it should go, lotr is targeted at the mainstream and was more of a financial success than the transfromers films yet still holds more weight on every level, hence the comparison but you could use any number of franchise or mainstream films of quality such as the half blood prince, bourne ultimatum, the dark knight, terminator 2, pixars recent output- wall-e, up,finding nemo etc etc etc these are mainstream films that make the big bucks yet still deliver a quality film experience.



The best game is the game with the strongest audience and the biggest moneymaking potential. The same goes for movies


:hammerhead:, wow, this is truely demented. the same does not go for movies, nobody believes whatever appeals to the broadest spectrum of people and sells the most units achieves the highest level of artistic value within its medium except delluded and untalanted people putting the stuff out. michael bay himself would tell you this and so would anyone involved in art. are we going to also be having a debate about which holds more value, the photo i took of my last bowel movement or citizen kane? how about if my turd takes more at the box office...it somehow has more value?


people have the right to enjoy bad films, i will say this again but many films that make alot of money are not even enjoyed by the majority of people, it is hype, stupidity and marketing that makes franchises like transformers/twilight/saw etc etc etc carry on and on and on

most of this thread has simply been me pointing out the fact that lotr is much better film making than transformers, thats not a matter of opinion. if people are entertained by insultingly bad films thats up to them but as far as popular films go lotr is undeniably a film of exceptional quality, transformers is not, that doesnt mean im saying you dont have the right to enjoy transformers, hell in a narrow way i enjoyed the first half of it.

its also ok to not like lotr, but if you knew anything about film you wouldnt be claiming transformers has anything over lotr. you feel transformers has more replay value, thats fine. we disagree on that.

[Meticode]

A victoria's secret model with no acting experience whatsoever. Goes to show how worthless that movie series is.

The series has never been about acting. If that's what you're watching it for, then don't watch it. Ever notice how Fox always sounds stupid or ditzy when she says something in the movie, or how everytime Shia yells for Bumblebee he sounds like he's being stabbed, "BUMBLEBEE!!!!!!!!" But, it's far from worthless I would say. With the first movie making $700+ million and the second movie making 836+ million. Worthless? Far from it.

[ukplayer4]

the second one was devoid of anything....anything, pure, pure garbage.


im trying to understand what people are argueing about when they try to defend these films by pointing out that they made money.....how exactly is that doing it for you, what are you getting from it exactly?

[Meticode]

the second one was devoid of anything....anything, pure, pure garbage.


im trying to understand what people are argueing about when they try to defend these films by pointing out that they made money.....how exactly is that doing it for you, what are you getting from it exactly?
Because it's all a matter of opinion. You can say how much garbage it is all you want, but you can't deny the success of the films. Regardless of how you feel about it, it's a top 10 grossing movie of all time. They must be doing something right.

It's no different than people defending their view of them saying it's garbage. It's garbage because you feel that way, it's garbage because you hate it. But fact is, it's made a lot of money. Both of them in fact. And they're very successful films.

[Pinkhearts]

you are missing the entire purposse of films i see. maybe you dont care if you are fed crap or not but i, like every other sane and rational human being prefer the films i watch to not be crap........oh yeah lets give praise to everyone who sells crap to us because they have succesfully sold us crap :roll: :roll: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: perfect sense, you argue in favor of bad films, because, well because they are bad.... you prefer bad films? this is a thread about films not "so who succesfully made a worse film yet was profitable?" for sure transformers succeeded in being a poor film yet made lots of money, that somehow makes it better does it?

And you're missing the point of what crap or a bad film is. You are still holding on to your ideals of how a film should be like, when the demand has shown that the "crap" movies are highly desired. Is this concept so hard to understand? PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED. Basketball is so crap, fans b!tch about the rules all the time. There are better games out there to watch without crap rules, but no, dumbasses like you want to be entertained with high flying action and high scoring games. And Stern makes his games that way for you with rule changes. Then you go ahead and hate on Stern. Then you still pay and watch basketball anyway. How stupid can you people get?




as someone has already said, this is just insane gibberish, basketball is a sport, chess is a game and film is an artform, neither chess nor basketball are even remotely comparable to film or relevant for an analogy, seriously what ****ing planet do you live on?

There you go with thinking that a film is an artform again. And a sport is a game you dumbass. And if you boil it down to the lowest common denominator, they are all forms of entertainment. And the entertainment that people are most willing to pay for and participate in is the most popular and successful form of entertainment. Which planet do you live in that does not have basketball as a form of entertainment?



i have no idea what pinkhearts is trying to say here really
That's because you're a dim bulb with no logic.


but poodle i think weve taken this about as far as it should go, lotr is targeted at the mainstream and was more of a financial success than the transfromers films yet still holds more weight on every level, hence the comparison but you could use any number of franchise or mainstream films of quality such as the half blood prince, bourne ultimatum, the dark knight, terminator 2, pixars recent output- wall-e, up,finding nemo etc etc etc these are mainstream films that make the big bucks yet still deliver a quality film experience.

Again you fail to understand the meaning of giving what people want. You say that people will prefer that things are not crap, but then they keep paying for things that are crap and so you should keep producing crap for them. It's like a girl saying she wants a nice guy who loves him and that sounds like the right to for her to want, but then in real life she finds the nice guy boring and go out with a jerk. You can then be a wussy saying that the jerk sucks and that you are "the ideal man" that all girls should love and you will deliver the best experience for them, or you can man up and actually give the girls what they want and get some tail. What's your call?






:hammerhead:, wow, this is truely demented. the same does not go for movies, nobody believes whatever appeals to the broadest spectrum of people and sells the most units achieves the highest level of artistic value within its medium except delluded and untalanted people putting the stuff out. michael bay himself would tell you this and so would anyone involved in art. are we going to also be having a debate about which holds more value, the photo i took of my last bowel movement or citizen kane? how about if my turd takes more at the box office...it somehow has more value?


people have the right to enjoy bad films, i will say this again but many films that make alot of money are not even enjoyed by the majority of people, it is hype, stupidity and marketing that makes franchises like transformers/twilight/saw etc etc etc carry on and on and on

most of this thread has simply been me pointing out the fact that lotr is much better film making than transformers, thats not a matter of opinion. if people are entertained by insultingly bad films thats up to them but as far as popular films go lotr is undeniably a film of exceptional quality, transformers is not, that doesnt mean im saying you dont have the right to enjoy transformers, hell in a narrow way i enjoyed the first half of it.

its also ok to not like lotr, but if you knew anything about film you wouldnt be claiming transformers has anything over lotr. you feel transformers has more replay value, thats fine. we disagree on that.

Once again this shows your lack of logic and understanding of economics. If people want to pay for your box of turd than citizen kane then yes your box of turd is more valuable. A smart man will be showing your box of turd for big profits over citizen kane.

People do that all the time. Diamonds have no realistic value, but people fork out thousands to buy one for their girls. Hence diamonds are valuable even though they are freaking useless. If you can get people to want your diamonds more than it becomes a better product.

And for the record:

LOTR = Football.

Great action, great gameplay and rules. A little slow in some parts due to proper rules but an epic watch nonetheless. = Great action, great plot and story. A little slow in some parts due to proper transition and storytelling but an epic watch nonetheless.

Transformers = Basketball.

Incredible action, decent gameplay and rules. Gameplay is fast and action packed due to rules designed to force action sacrificing balanced play such as the shotclock, 3 secs rules and illegal defense rules to make it easier for offense to score. But rules aren't bad enough for the games to be unwatchable. = Incredible action, decent story and plot. Movie is fast and action packed by sacrificing transition and storytelling to force more exciting and visually appealing scenes in.

Power rangers the movie = Slamball/AND 1

Exaggerated action due to totally ignoring basketball rules and fundamentals. Gameplay is totally crap and almost unwatchable. Can be entertaining but you won't watch it as your staple = Exaggerated action due to silly ass plot and story totally ignoring reality. Can be entertaining but you won't watch it as your staple

[vapid]

lmao at comparing lotr to football and generalizing so much that you say sport and art are all entertainment in the end. Holy shit. Films are not just entertainment at all, and of COURSE filmmaking is an art form.

And valuable can have several meanings, not only monetary. An educational documentary is far more valuable than Transformers 2 since one educates you and the other steals your money, wastes your time, and then encourages producers to continue to throw away money and time on making terrible movies.

[raiderfan19]

vapid are you leaning one way or the other on the orion/zemo matchup?

[Pinkhearts]

lmao at comparing lotr to football and generalizing so much that you say sport and art are all entertainment in the end. Holy shit. Films are not just entertainment at all, and of COURSE filmmaking is an art form.

And valuable can have several meanings, not only monetary. An educational documentary is far more valuable than Transformers 2 since one educates you and the other steals your money, wastes your time, and then encourages producers to continue to throw away money and time on making terrible movies.

Yes the documentary has EDUCATIONAL value, not ENTERTAINMENT value. No one is arguing that movies are not an artform, it's just that you should not be shitting on someone because they are not doing art you love but doing something else that is highly valued by others instead.

I suppose sports to you steals your money, wastes your time, and then encourages producers and athletes to continue to throw away money and time on organizing and playing more games. You sure you guys have any common sense? If people pay for such movies and games and you should keep making them all the time.

[ukplayer4]

pinkhearts your opinion is based on denial of fact. you tell us that we miss the point but you dont even understand what film is, you can deny film is an artform all you want then continue with your demented analogys about girls,diamonds,basketball. none of them have anything to do with film whatsoever and id go as far as to say that there isnt another person delluded enough to even entertain this rediculous level of stupidity.


i dont think ive ever seen a more worthless and misguided argument put foward(outside of the nba forum).

give us a ballpark figure of your age, im thinking 12-14.

[ukplayer4]

Yes the documentary has EDUCATIONAL value, not ENTERTAINMENT value. No one is arguing that movies are not an artform, it's just that you should not be shitting on someone because they are not doing art you love but doing something else that is highly valued by others instead.





what you are misunderstanding is that nobody is saying transformers doesnt make money. when we talk about its value we are refering to its value as a film- as in how any film is judged- against other films, its quality of production as a film and therefore as an artform...jeesus christ is it that hard for you to understand?
it is how people discuss/judge/form opinions on film.

[Pinkhearts]

what you are misunderstanding is that nobody is saying transformers doesnt make money. when we talk about its value we are refering to its value as a film- as in how any film is judged- against other films, its quality of production as a film and therefore as an artform...jeesus christ is it that hard for you to understand?
it is how people discuss/judge/form opinions on film.

And AGAIN what you fail to understand is who gives a shit about the art value of the film and how "good" the movie is? If people are happy to pay to watch the film then Michael Bay is has every right to make his movies. Jeesus christ is it that hard for you to understand? You can't say he's bad when people want to watch his movies SOOOO much.

No one gives a shit about the artform. Compare the textbook Human Anatomy 101 vs Harry Potter book 6. Which one has more "value"? You can say that the anatomy textbook has waaay more value with all the valuable knowledge that can benefit mankind. However, you'd be a fool to sell the textbook ahead of Harry Potter on release day, since sooo many people will queue for Harry and you will make so much money selling it. So is Harry Potter a terrible book and is JK Rowling a poor writer? NO YOU FOOL. People will buy and pay for whatever entertains them. Rowling is a success and writes a good series since she is in such a high demand and made SOO MUCH MONEY.

[Pinkhearts]

pinkhearts your opinion is based on denial of fact. you tell us that we miss the point but you dont even understand what film is, you can deny film is an artform all you want then continue with your demented analogys about girls,diamonds,basketball. none of them have anything to do with film whatsoever and id go as far as to say that there isnt another person delluded enough to even entertain this rediculous level of stupidity.


i dont think ive ever seen a more worthless and misguided argument put foward(outside of the nba forum).

give us a ballpark figure of your age, im thinking 12-14.

I'm amazed at your lack of logic and understanding of economics. You can't seem to understand if something sells it is successful and a good product and you have no right to say that it sucks and that it should be stopped. Because that's what you guys have been saying, that Michael Bay sucks and should stop making Transformers.

Give us a ballpark figure of your occupation and education level. I'm guessing high school dropout.

[ukplayer4]

And AGAIN what you fail to understand is who gives a shit about the art value of the film and how "good" the movie is? If people are happy to pay to watch the film then Michael Bay is has every right to make his movies. Jeesus christ is it that hard for you to understand? You can't say he's bad when people want to watch his movies SOOOO much.

No one gives a shit about the artform. Compare the textbook Human Anatomy 101 vs Harry Potter book 6. Which one has more "value"? You can say that the anatomy textbook has waaay more value with all the valuable knowledge that can benefit mankind. However, you'd be a fool to sell the textbook ahead of Harry Potter on release day, since sooo many people will queue for Harry and you will make so much money selling it. So is Harry Potter a terrible book and is JK Rowling a poor writer? NO YOU FOOL. People will buy and pay for whatever entertains them. Rowling is a success and writes a good series since she is in such a high demand and made SOO MUCH MONEY.



again reading and comprehending fails you, once again im gonna tell you that nobody- none of us are saying transformers doesnt make money, we are discussing its quality as a film. and therefore everyone is pointing out that it is bad film making. its quite simple, you can say it makes money how ever many times you like but it wont make any difference for people that are into film, it still stands as poor film making, i myself have deffended the relevance and need for michael bay- IN THIS VERY THREAD. nobody except you are confused about what is actually being discussed here, its comical.

[DeuceWallaces]

Well 68% of the top critics on rotten tomatoes, who I might add have infinitely more credibility than anyone in this thread, think the first Transformers is a quality film.

[ukplayer4]

Well 68% of the top critics on rotten tomatoes, who I might add have infinitely more credibility than anyone in this thread, think the first Transformers is a quality film.



really cause its showing as 45% for me, with an average rating of 5/10 and as ive said i enjoyed alot about the first half of the first film, the 2nd is completely awful tho.

[ukplayer4]

I'm amazed at your lack of logic and understanding of economics. You can't seem to understand if something sells it is successful and a good product and you have no right to say that it sucks and that it should be stopped. Because that's what you guys have been saying, that Michael Bay sucks and should stop making Transformers.

Give us a ballpark figure of your occupation and education level. I'm guessing high school dropout.




ROFL- ok find the part where i said michael bay should stop making transformers....go do it.
ill tell you once again that economics doesnt mean anything when discussing the quality film making, and for the 10th time no one is saying michael bay should stop making films or that transformers doesnt make money.

not that its relevant but im 2/3 of the way into my second degree(film), at one of the top universities in the country and im also working on 3 films over the next 4 months. one as director(big project), one as writer/director and one as d.p + i just co wrote a short that is about to be shot.
not that any of this matters because this conversation isnt about who is more qualified on the subject, it is simply a matter of you misunderstanding what people are actually talking about....

a spade is a spade.

[rivers to gates]

A victoria's secret model with no acting experience whatsoever. Goes to show how worthless that movie series is. Rosie Huntington-Whiteley.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Former-Fitness-Instructor-Confirmed-As-Megan-Fox-s-Transformers-3-Replacement-18748.html

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914358.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914389.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914346.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18748/_1274914375.jpg


You could park a hummer in each side of her nose.

No thank you.

[rivers to gates]

this chick > megan fox





http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000131924-rosie_huntington-whiteley-fullsize.jpg


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.luxist.com/media/2008/07/rwhiteley.jpg


http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/rosie_huntington_whiteley_002-630x852.jpg


She has a man's face with lots of airbrushing.

This chick is not close to being hot. Look past all the airbrushing.

[flipogb]

So this is the next girl Michael Bay is going to f***?

she is Jason Statham's girlfriend, that would be a bad idea

[JustinJDW]

Michael Bay needs to stop ****ing around with these shitty ass Transformer movies and get working on Bad Boys 3. I heard Will Smith didn't want to do it because there was too much cussing, but **** that. Will, Michael and Martin Lawrence need to get that shit done.

P.S: That chick is fine though. It annoys me how every time on ISH when someone posts pictures of a hot chick or model, there is always some gay little ****** that has something negative to say about her. Every time.

[rivers to gates]

Michael Bay needs to stop ****ing around with these shitty ass Transformer movies and get working on Bad Boys 3. I heard Will Smith didn't want to do it because there was too much cussing, but **** that. Will, Michael and Martin Lawrence need to get that shit done.

P.S: That chick is fine though. It annoys me how every time on ISH when someone posts pictures of a hot chick or model, there is always some gay little ****** that has something negative to say about her. Every time.

You like plastic looking chicks.

This chick doesn't have anything but an airbrushed face and a gigantic nose.

[EroticVanilla]

UKplayer and Pinkhearts had the stupidest debate ever. They aren't even arguing the same thing. UK is saying that while Transformers may be a more popular film and might generate a lot of money for the studio that produced it, when compared to other films, like LoTR, or Hurtlocker, it doesn't match the artistic value of the film. It doesn't have as good of a script, plot, character development and other things that make up the essence of film as an artform.

Pinkhearts on the other hand is saying that irregardless of what film is more artistically accomplished Transformers is a better form of entertainment because more people were entertained by it and it generated more money.

One side is essentially arguing about films as a work of art while the other side is arguing the entertainment value of films. Neither of you are wrong. LoTR and Hurt Locker are undeniably greater pieces of art and anyone who argues that is stupid, but as pure entertainment it's obvious that Transformers is considered more entertaining.

[oh the horror]

Facially she is pretty. Very pretty in fact...her body is absolute garbage. Im sorry, but that is TOO skinny. She has NO hips, NO tits, and NO ass.

[EroticVanilla]

Facially she is pretty. Very pretty in fact...her body is absolute garbage. Im sorry, but that is TOO skinny. She has NO hips, NO tits, and NO ass.
I agree I'm not really feeling her. She needs to add 10-15 pounds IMO.

[Hotlantadude81]

UKplayer and Pinkhearts had the stupidest debate ever. They aren't even arguing the same thing. UK is saying that while Transformers may be a more popular film and might generate a lot of money for the studio that produced it, when compared to other films, like LoTR, or Hurtlocker, it doesn't match the artistic value of the film. It doesn't have as good of a script, plot, character development and other things that make up the essence of film as an artform.

Pinkhearts on the other hand is saying that irregardless of what film is more artistically accomplished Transformers is a better form of entertainment because more people were entertained by it and it generated more money.

One side is essentially arguing about films as a work of art while the other side is arguing the entertainment value of films. Neither of you are wrong. LoTR and Hurt Locker are undeniably greater pieces of art and anyone who argues that is stupid, but as pure entertainment it's obvious that Transformers is considered more entertaining.

Isn't LOTR basically as popular as any Transformer movies?

It seems that way to me.

When you look at pop culture as a whole, it's easy to see why movies like Transformers are so popular. But it's also easy to see that people love sh!t.

Americans love Fast food, catchy superficial music and fast talkers with no substance. They love reality TV shows that mean absolutely nothing. That's the way it is.

[EroticVanilla]

Isn't LOTR basically as popular as any Transformer movies?

It seems that way to me.

When you look at pop culture as a whole, it's easy to see why movies like Transformers are so popular. But it's also easy to see that people love sh!t.

Americans love Fast food, catchy superficial music and fast talkers with no substance. They love reality TV shows that mean absolutely nothing. That's the way it is.
Yea I guess it is. But the point was that one movie is considered a higher form of art while the other is considered better entertainment.

[rezznor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6dhV73vy4A&feature=player_embedded

[SCdac]

^ Americans aren't the only ones into Transformers. Both the films are top-40 as far as world wide box office totals.

Transformers wreaks it's revenge at the UK box office
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2009/jun/23/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-box-office

Transformers Dominates UK Box office
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=25113

It seems like a misconception that only the United States are into films like this, when really people love films like these, LOTR, Pirates, Harry Potter, etc.

[Hotlantadude81]

Yea I guess it is. But the point was that one movie is considered a higher form of art while the other is considered better entertainment.

Lot's a people I know took a dump on the sequel.

But is Transformers entertaining because it's well made or is it entertaining because people largely like thoughtless crap?

Yeah I know.... People will claim that they want to take a break away from life and just enjoy something without thinking.

But here is the thing.... Life has always delt us conflicts. I don't find it to be a legit excuse.

Now I will grant you that I haven't watched Transformers 2... But I've heard that it contains Megan Fox getting her leg humped and "niggabots".

I ask... Why do people that are 30-40 years old still find this entertaining?

The people with Transformers other than Bay himself seem to realize that Transformers suck. If the people acting in the movie thinks the movie sucks then maybe it's not very good.

I think even Megan Fox knows Transformers sucks.

[Hotlantadude81]

^ Americans aren't the only ones into Transformers. Both the films are top-40 as far as world wide box office totals.

Transformers wreaks it's revenge at the UK box office
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2009/jun/23/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-box-office

Transformers Dominates UK Box office
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=25113

It seems like a misconception that only the United States are into films like this, when really people love films like these, LOTR, Pirates, Harry Potter, etc.

People are largely treated like children. Do you think it's a coincidence that whatever is marketed to people the most is usually what sells? People go to McDonalds and they see the little Transformers happy meal toys and the labels all over the the food boxes and such and they go out and see the movie.

[SCdac]

People are largely treated like children. Do you think it's a coincidence that whatever is marketed to people the most is usually what sells? People go to McDonalds and they see the little Transformers happy meal toys and the labels all over the the food boxes and such and they go out and see the movie.

Well, we're entering another discussion altogether, no doubt our society is one filled with "make up my mind for me" and "I'll settle for the status quo" consumers, but this is nothing new... Hell, I blame hundreds of years of organized religion for much of our "sheepishness" as a whole, but again a different discussion... Some movies that are marketed heavily and are eye-candy still flop - the best example is Speed Racer in my opinion. People won't see or like just anything.

I'm not standing up for Transformers as a film, Bay's films are like explosions + hot chicks + dumb jokes, etc (even though I love what ILM did with those robots, and I'm grew up watching Transformers, which is generally speaking a "younger persons" show to begin with).

But I will say, the USA gets a bad rap, if we're going to act like Tranformers is wildly popular here and shunned by the rest of the world. That's just not the reality of it.

Transformers 2...

domestic: 402 million (48.1%)

foreign: 434 million (51.9%)

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers2.htm

[Hotlantadude81]

Well, we're entering another discussion altogether, no doubt our society is one filled with "make up my mind for me" and "I'll settle for the status quo" consumers, but this is nothing new... Hell, I blame hundreds of years of organized religion for much of our "sheepishness" as a whole, but again a different discussion... Some movies that are marketed heavily and are eye-candy still flop - the best example is Speed Racer in my opinion. People won't see or like just anything.

I'm not standing up for Transformers as a film, Bay's films are like explosions + hot chicks + dumb jokes, etc (even though I love what ILM did with those robots, and I'm grew up watching Transformers, which is generally speaking a "younger persons" show to begin with).

But I will say, the USA gets a bad rap, if we're going to act like Tranformers is wildly popular here and shunned by the rest of the world. That's just not the reality of it.

Transformers 2...

domestic: 402 million (48.1%)

foreign: 434 million (51.9%)

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers2.htm

My 41 year old brother in law wants to see all the Twilight movies. It's funny but frightening stuff at the same time.

Personally, I find that I can't even stomach cable tv anymore. I'm sick of mass marketing. Even like the NFL.... When you watch the NFL you get more commercials than you do actual game.

[Jailblazers7]

My 41 year old brother in law wants to see all the Twilight movies. It's funny but frightening stuff at the same time.

Personally, I find that I can't even stomach cable tv anymore. I'm sick of mass marketing. Even like the NFL.... When you watch the NFL you get more commercials than you do actual game.

There are still good shows on cable tv but most of the good ones are on HBO and what not.

Also, NFL football is tailor made to have a ton of commercials. There are so many breaks within the game like change of possessions, challenge replays, timeouts, etc.

[Pinkhearts]

ROFL- ok find the part where i said michael bay should stop making transformers....go do it.
ill tell you once again that economics doesnt mean anything when discussing the quality film making, and for the 10th time no one is saying michael bay should stop making films or that transformers doesnt make money.

not that its relevant but im 2/3 of the way into my second degree(film), at one of the top universities in the country and im also working on 3 films over the next 4 months. one as director(big project), one as writer/director and one as d.p + i just co wrote a short that is about to be shot.
not that any of this matters because this conversation isnt about who is more qualified on the subject, it is simply a matter of you misunderstanding what people are actually talking about....

a spade is a spade.

Here's the problem...QUALITY. You have been saying that transformers is not a "good" movie and is of "poor" quality. There is no right for you to say that. You can say that the plot sucks compared to most movies, but to say it has poor quality...well the numbers are against you.

You can say that prime Shaq sucks in terms of skill because he can't do what Kobe can in terms of fancy fadeaway shots and dribbling. And you would be right. But here you are using that to determine that Kobe is better than Shaq in terms of quality of basketball. That makes you look like a total fool. Sure all Shaq can do is put the ball in the basket, but that's what counts. That is what most coaches value. That's what wins. Who cares if he does not have artistic skill? You're a moron.

It is simply a matter of you misunderstanding what people are actually talking about. People here are excited about a new transformers movie with a new hot chick and can't wait to be entertained by all that. You then come in and say that transformers is a poor quality film and saying people that watch it are stupid. You are pissing the majority off who have every right to watch what they enjoy by choice. Unless you have good proof that these people aren't getting the quality of their money they paid which is tonnes of money by tonnes of people, you are a moron.

[RaininThrees]

Isn't LOTR basically as popular as any Transformer movies?

It seems that way to me.

When you look at pop culture as a whole, it's easy to see why movies like Transformers are so popular. But it's also easy to see that people love sh!t.

Americans love Fast food, catchy superficial music and fast talkers with no substance. They love reality TV shows that mean absolutely nothing. That's the way it is.

Yeah, because Britain totally didn't invent American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, X Factor, America's Got Talent, etc etc etc.

[DeuceWallaces]

ROFL- ok find the part where i said michael bay should stop making transformers....go do it.
ill tell you once again that economics doesnt mean anything when discussing the quality film making, and for the 10th time no one is saying michael bay should stop making films or that transformers doesnt make money.

not that its relevant but im 2/3 of the way into my second degree(film), at one of the top universities in the country and im also working on 3 films over the next 4 months. one as director(big project), one as writer/director and one as d.p + i just co wrote a short that is about to be shot.
not that any of this matters because this conversation isnt about who is more qualified on the subject, it is simply a matter of you misunderstanding what people are actually talking about....

a spade is a spade.

Haha, he's 2/3 the way through a film degree, and is working on some shit no one's probably ever heard of, and his main outlet for film critique is a secondary forum on a basketball message board. Obviously we should all listen to this guy intently :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Hotlantadude81]

Yeah, because Britain totally didn't invent American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, X Factor, America's Got Talent, etc etc etc.

I don't really care about Britain or what they do.

[The_Yearning]

Transformers suck.

[BankShot]

Haha, he's 2/3 the way through a film degree, and is working on some shit no one's probably ever heard of, and his main outlet for film critique is a secondary forum on a basketball message board. Obviously we should all listen to this guy intently :oldlol: :oldlol:

:applause:

[ukplayer4]

Haha, he's 2/3 the way through a film degree, and is working on some shit no one's probably ever heard of, and his main outlet for film critique is a secondary forum on a basketball message board. Obviously we should all listen to this guy intently :oldlol: :oldlol:




you are way too sore about the last film debate you got involved in and everyone clowned the shit out of you....let it go.

and like i said already- no matter how much more informed i am on film or whatever experience i have i dont cite it as why you should take my opinion highly. i happen to understand film very well, as most worthwhile people here can and do agree.

[DeuceWallaces]

you are way too sore about the last film debate you got involved in and everyone clowned the shit out of you....let it go.

and like i said already- no matter how much more informed i am on film or whatever experience i have i dont cite it as why you should take my opinion highly. i happen to understand film very well, as most worthwhile people here can and do agree.

1) It was you who got embarrassed last time, and couldn't understand a simple concept or statement.

2) Most people here are arguing with, not agree with you.

[Pinkhearts]

Haha, he's 2/3 the way through a film degree, and is working on some shit no one's probably ever heard of, and his main outlet for film critique is a secondary forum on a basketball message board. Obviously we should all listen to this guy intently :oldlol: :oldlol:

The fact that he's taking a second degree, and majoring in a useless field such as film proves that he has absolutely no analytical skills and should not be critiquing anything important.

Let's recap what just went on here shall we?

1) Some idiot posted that transformers is a money gimmick, people are stupid to watch it and that the world is sad because of it. I commented that if these people are stupid, then he's equally stupid for watching basketball which is not productive to this world except to entertain for money.

2) UKplayer gets all butthurt that he's being called an idiot for liking to watch basketball, as he truly feels that people who like transformers are idiots. The analogy is killing him so much inside that the only way for him to deal with it is to say that the analogy does not make sense and insult me for making the analogy.

3) I challenged him to point out the flaws in the analogy, which he fails to do so but to say that basketball and chess and movies are different and should not relate to each other. Guess what an analogy is dumbass? To get an example that is not related but shares similarity in a respect to help you understand the topic at hand.

4) When challenged with further analogies, he simply says that the analogies are stupid and keeps insisting that transformers are "not good artistically". Well dumbass who is arguing that it is an art piece? The analogies are to point out that people are not dumbasses like you for liking transformers and that it is a good movie because it is entertaining. And the financial success proves it. No one mentioned artform and no one gives a shit about it. Arguing that I have no idea what I am talking about when you are going out on your own tangent about the artform of the movie shows how good you are in keeping your arguments straight and logical.

Please quit your useless degree course and save the 1/3 of your time and money to learn something useful instead. You are not going to succeed in this world with your current intelligence level.

[Hotlantadude81]

And the financial success proves it.

Pearl harbor made 200 million dollars.

Who likes that movie now?

These movies are largely successful because of mass marketing. It's no coincidence that big budget movies always end up with advertisements all through the fast food chains and of course the most TV commercials.

As The Joker would say... It's all part of the plan.

Just like politics. Your given two or three guys.... You got CNN to hype up one side and Fox News to hype up the other side. You see the commercials and the billboards and people feel they gotta vote for one of these peoples.

It's systematic bullsh!t. That's all it is.

I'm sure glad I don't have to go by box office total to decide what a good movie is.

The Shawshank Redemption was a box office failure but is now considered one of the best movies by the general population and more selective film crowds.

Of course nobody is dumb for liking a movie. Smart people can be lazy about certain things or have bad taste or whatever.

I'm not even that bright of a guy... Hell, I cared about very little in the years I was supposed to be learning, but some bullsh!t is just obvious if you pay any attention to it.

[ukplayer4]

1) It was you who got embarrassed last time, and couldn't understand a simple concept or statement.

2) Most people here are arguing with, not agree with you.



rofl, you did this last time to, when everyone in the thread was just laughing at you for trying to argue that caddyshack and theres something about mary where the two greatest comedies ever made- or something along those lines.

dont make me dig the thread up its too embarrassing. whats also really funny is in that very thread, and others, people were pointing out that you have once again talked aload of total shit that everyone disagrees with and then pretended that everyone was agreeing with you. lol.

dont act like you havent been following me around every film thread waiting till someone had an argument with me so you could step in.

[ukplayer4]

Here's the problem...QUALITY. You have been saying that transformers is not a "good" movie and is of "poor" quality. There is no right for you to say that. You can say that the plot sucks compared to most movies, but to say it has poor quality...well the numbers are against you.


the numbers have NOTHING do with the quality of a production, any sane and rational human being will tell you that, walk out into the street and consult the first person you come into contact with, infact if you could comprehend anything that has ever been written on any medium of art youd understand. what you are saying is that the money made from a film dictates its quality as a film :roll: im not gonna try and change your mind on it, but every person in the field of all artforms, any critic, theorist, writer or academic would disagree. as you can see(or maybe you cant) everyone who has touched on it in this thread also understands this. its simple commen sense.
dont you understand that plot is a part of the quality of a film and that box office revenue has nothing to do with its quality? there are many reasons people see films like transformers, most of them dont have anything to do with its quality as a film.





You can say that prime Shaq sucks in terms of skill because he can't do what Kobe can in terms of fancy fadeaway shots and dribbling. And you would be right. But here you are using that to determine that Kobe is better than Shaq in terms of quality of basketball. That makes you look like a total fool. Sure all Shaq can do is put the ball in the basket, but that's what counts. That is what most coaches value. That's what wins. Who cares if he does not have artistic skill? You're a moron.


and again you stupidly compare the film world to the nba. why would anyone say shaq sucks(as if he doesnt even have skill :roll: ), he was perfectly effective as a ball player, transformers does not function as films. you are a plain liar and retard, i keep telling you its nonsensical to compare ball players to films and then you keep repeating that I AM SAYING KOBE IS BETTER THAN SHAQ :hammerhead: your demented.





It is simply a matter of you misunderstanding what people are actually talking about. People here are excited about a new transformers movie with a new hot chick and can't wait to be entertained by all that. You then come in and say that transformers is a poor quality film and saying people that watch it are stupid. You are pissing the majority off who have every right to watch what they enjoy by choice. Unless you have good proof that these people aren't getting the quality of their money they paid which is tonnes of money by tonnes of people, you are a moron.



the only person misunderstanding is you, i have explained very simply what i am saying and constantly repeated that box office revenue is not what dictates a quality film, christ if you wont listen to me read what other people are writing...the amjority keep stating that they dont think transformers is a quality film, talk to them about it cause im bored of repeating myself and you are too dumb to comprehend simple logic.
even the people that go and see transformers dont go expecting a quality film and i have said time and time again that transformers has its place it, just isnt a quality film(which nobody would disagree with)

in your next reply could you try making your point without blatent lies and making stuff up? if your gonna pretend i said something i didnt could you atleast quote and indicate where it is implyed.

[ukplayer4]

The fact that he's taking a second degree, and majoring in a useless field such as film proves that he has absolutely no analytical skills and should not be critiquing anything important.


heres the issue, you consider film worthless by your own admission, perhaps that is whats stopping you from comprehending that people who watch films discuss the quality of the film and not its economic potential. i want to work in the field of film so im doing exactly what i should be.








Let's recap what just went on here shall we?

1) Some idiot posted that transformers is a money gimmick, people are stupid to watch it and that the world is sad because of it. I commented that if these people are stupid, then he's equally stupid for watching basketball which is not productive to this world except to entertain for money.


all of that is lies



2) UKplayer gets all butthurt that he's being called an idiot for liking to watch basketball, as he truly feels that people who like transformers are idiots. The analogy is killing him so much inside that the only way for him to deal with it is to say that the analogy does not make sense and insult me for making the analogy.


so everyone who watches basketball is stupid? nice logic genuis, more lies still i have again and again said that transformers has its place its just not quality film making



3) I challenged him to point out the flaws in the analogy, which he fails to do so but to say that basketball and chess and movies are different and should not relate to each other. Guess what an analogy is dumbass? To get an example that is not related but shares similarity in a respect to help you understand the topic at hand.


they dont share similarities tho, you have just tried to pretend that they are consumed in the same way- i and others have pointed this out. film is an artform and is viewed by all, basketball is a sport that is watched by people who play and have an interest in basketball.




4) When challenged with further analogies, he simply says that the analogies are stupid and keeps insisting that transformers are "not good artistically". Well dumbass who is arguing that it is an art piece? The analogies are to point out that people are not dumbasses like you for liking transformers and that it is a good movie because it is entertaining. And the financial success proves it. No one mentioned artform and no one gives a shit about it. Arguing that I have no idea what I am talking about when you are going out on your own tangent about the artform of the movie shows how good you are in keeping your arguments straight and logical.


you are trying to seperate transformers from its medium, like it or not transformers is a film and film is an artform and it gets judged as a film not by its box office revenue, deny it all you want....

[ukplayer4]

Pearl harbor made 200 million dollars.

Who likes that movie now?

These movies are largely successful because of mass marketing. It's no coincidence that big budget movies always end up with advertisements all through the fast food chains and of course the most TV commercials.

As The Joker would say... It's all part of the plan.

Just like politics. Your given two or three guys.... You got CNN to hype up one side and Fox News to hype up the other side. You see the commercials and the billboards and people feel they gotta vote for one of these peoples.

It's systematic bullsh!t. That's all it is.

I'm sure glad I don't have to go by box office total to decide what a good movie is.

The Shawshank Redemption was a box office failure but is now considered one of the best movies by the general population and more selective film crowds.

Of course nobody is dumb for liking a movie. Smart people can be lazy about certain things or have bad taste or whatever.

I'm not even that bright of a guy... Hell, I cared about very little in the years I was supposed to be learning, but some bullsh!t is just obvious if you pay any attention to it.



im glad to see hotlanta(as usual) and others fully comprehend that box office revenue is not indicative of the quality of a film and that there are other factors that determine if a film is a success financially.

[BRabbiT]

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[Hotlantadude81]

im glad to see hotlanta(as usual) and others fully comprehend that box office revenue is not indicative of the quality of a film and that there are other factors that determine if a film is a success financially.


Even the general public seems somewhat mixed on Transformers 2 despite it's box office total. People pay to see a movie before they actually see it. It is possible for a movie to make lot's of money and not be loved by the general population.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra made 150 million dollars and it's even got lots of bad reviews at amazon.com which gets reviews from a lot of the general population people. People are less critical of movies normally.

[kentatm]

I wouldnt be shocked if this girl is a much better actress than Fox.

[Pinkhearts]

Pearl harbor made 200 million dollars.

Who likes that movie now?

These movies are largely successful because of mass marketing. It's no coincidence that big budget movies always end up with advertisements all through the fast food chains and of course the most TV commercials.

As The Joker would say... It's all part of the plan.

Just like politics. Your given two or three guys.... You got CNN to hype up one side and Fox News to hype up the other side. You see the commercials and the billboards and people feel they gotta vote for one of these peoples.

It's systematic bullsh!t. That's all it is.

I'm sure glad I don't have to go by box office total to decide what a good movie is.

The Shawshank Redemption was a box office failure but is now considered one of the best movies by the general population and more selective film crowds.

Of course nobody is dumb for liking a movie. Smart people can be lazy about certain things or have bad taste or whatever.

I'm not even that bright of a guy... Hell, I cared about very little in the years I was supposed to be learning, but some bullsh!t is just obvious if you pay any attention to it.

200mil is good? Try making a pearl harbour 2 and see who gives a shit about it.

The reason why it did well is that Michael Bay still had somewhat of a good rep and "artsy" movies like pearl harbor tend to be better made movies during that time. People fell for it and paid for the movie, but it didn't even stamp out on the box office with authority or anything.

For Transformers, the first movie did well and so did the second. Same for Spiderman. To piss on consistent good results and say the whole series suck shows how stupid you are.

As for UKplayer, he is just too far gone. He can't even grasp simple analogies and can't accept that Kobe has more way more skill than Shaq which even the average fan can agree with. Talking to him is a complete waste of time.