NBA Draft Combine Athletic Test Results: John Wall - 39" vert

[Grinder]

Chad Ford posted them today.

Some impressive numbers:
Terrico White - 40" vert
John Wall - 39" vert; also the fastest in the 3/4th court sprint
Armon Johnson - 38.5" vert; benched 180 18 times
Luke Babbit - 37.5" vert :eek: - Factor that in with his 6'9" height in shoes and his lane agility test results which were .14 seconds less than John Wall and he looks like he'll have a good shot at the lottery; he also benched 180 15 times.
Stanley Robinson - 37.5" vert
Wes Johnson - 37" vert
Xavier Henry - 36.5" vert, 6'6" in shoes, 6'11" wingspan, 5% body fat, second fastest 3/4th court spring time after John Wall; and has an NBA ready body as well as being able to shoot the lights out - should be a lottery pick...he'll be a solid player.
Trevor Booker - 36" vert and put up 180 22 times
Ed Davis - 36" vert


Not so impressive:
Larry Sanders & Cole Aldrich - 28" vert
Demarcus Cousins - 27.5"
Solomon Alabi - 26" vert
Al-Farouq Aminu - 33.5" vert
Devin Ebanks - 32" vert
Sherron Collins - 33" vert and had one of the slowest lane agility times, slower than a lot of big men

[InspiredLebowski]

I don't have insider anymore, think you could post/PM me the full results?

[bballer]

In what was the all-time record by quarterbacks, Tebow posted 38.5-inch leap.

http://nflmocks.com/2010/02/28/tim-tebow-jumps-ahead-of-the-pack/

[Zak]

i thought john wall's vert was 43 inches?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1164564/index.htm

[tgan3]

I remembered one thread claiming John Wall is not as athletic as people claimed and predicted a max 37 inch vert for him lol.

Anyway 39 is very impressive. This test results are also a little weird though cause well-known dunkers like Andre Iguodala and JR Smith didnt post extremely high verts in the combine. Something like 34-35 inch if I remembered correctly

[InspiredLebowski]

i thought john wall's vert was 43 inches?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1164564/index.htm
NBA combine results with no bias are A LOT more reliable than whatever number Wall's camp or whoever put out there

[Go Getter]

i thought john wall's vert was 43 inches?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1164564/index.htm


I did too...what gives???

[Go Getter]

NBA combine results with no bias are A LOT more reliable than whatever number Wall's camp or whoever put out there


I don't quite see what you're getting at...which numbers are biased and which ones aren't?

[Grinder]

I wouldn't be surprised if his vert was 41 or 42" on a good day. He skidded quite a bit on his lane agility test too, probably could have had a faster time.

Luke Babbit's numbers really surprised me.

[Go Getter]

Who is to say that it wasn't a good day?

At any rate the reports of him being the most athletic PG ever were grossly exaggerated.

Can't wait to see the kid play though.

[DuMa]

too much emphasis is put on kids who can jump high rather than guys who show good bball iq.

[Grinder]

Who is to say that it wasn't a good day?

At any rate the reports of him being the most athletic PG ever were grossly exaggerated.

Can't wait to see the kid play though.

Either way, Wall measured taller, 4 pounds lighter, a longer wingspan, and 1" less vert, and a significantly quicker lane agility time than Rose.

Not that it matters, we'll wait to see how they do against each other.

[Go Getter]

Either way, Wall measured taller, 4 pounds lighter, a longer wingspan, and 1" less vert, and a significantly quicker lane agility time than Rose.

Not that it matters, we'll wait to see how they do against each other.

Show me.

From what I saw Rose was faster in straight line speed, had a four inch advantage in no step vert, and was significantly stronger.

And Bball IQ is overrated....coachability is underrated.

[Grinder]

Player No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
John Wall 30.0 39.0 -N-a 10.84 3.14

[Go Getter]

Player No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
John Wall 30.0 39.0 -N-a 10.84 3.14

can you link me to the info here please?

Not that I doubt you or anything.

[Grinder]

can you link me to the info here please?

Not that I doubt you or anything.

It's on Insider - Chad Ford.

[Grinder]

Notre Dame's Luke Harangody tested as the strongest athlete in the camp. Harangody bench-pressed a 185 pound bar 23 times. Derrick Caracter and Trevor Booker got the bar up 22 times. Gani Lawal did 20 reps. Avery Bradley and Charles Garcia got the bar up only two times. Jarvis Varnado could manage only three reps.

In the lane agility testing, Kentucky's John Wall had the best score, finishing the drill in 10.84 seconds. Lazar Hayward, Dominique Jones and Damion James all finished under 10.9 seconds. Keith Gallon finished dead last in a terrible 13.44 seconds. In the three-quarter-court sprints, Clemson's Trevor Booker led the way with a blinding 3.1-second run. John Wall, Wesley Johnson and Avery Bradley all tied for second at 3.14 seconds. Alabi was last again, at 3.68 seconds.
My mistake, looks like TREVOR BOOKER was the fastest guy in the draft, wouldn't have expected that watching him play all these years.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3311055207_b6510be912.jpg



Wall's numbers are very close to the player he's compared to the most, Derrick Rose. Rose tested with a 40-inch max vertical, a 3.05-second sprint and a much worse 11.69-second score on the lane agility drill.
He also throws out some comparisons in terms of athleticism:
Evan Turner - John Salmons and Daequan Cook
Derrick Favors - Dwight Howard, Amar'e Stoudemire, Al Horford
Wes Johnson - Thaddeus Young
Avery Bradley - George Hill and Russell Westbrook
Ed Davis - Dwight Howard and Amar'e Stoudemire

[devin112]

full article? if you're allowed to

[plowking]

There is no way Booker or Rose are quicker than Wall in a straight line. I don't care what the tests say.

[lilojmayo]

39 inch vert. :wtf: no no no. I watched it, all those numbers were what was on the combine on the tv, but the vertical one. It was hands down 43 inch vertical for Wall's max. He only had like 3 markers left on vertical test. he seriously had to have gotten 12 ft or so.

I actually still have it on my DVR the combine, so i'll look tomorrow to be sure.
[QUOTE]After a somewhat disappointing 30-inch mark in the no-step vertical, the 2010 SEC player of the year from the University of Kentucky gathered himself for his two-step vertical test and then nearly jumped out of the gym, touching all but four sticks on the vertical bar. The 19-year-old, 6-foot-4 point guard then clocked in with the fastest 25-yard run (3.1) and turned in a impressive showing in the other agility drills.

Wall

[kurple]

There is no way Booker or Rose are quicker than Wall in a straight line. I don't care what the tests say.
if you say so

[lilojmayo]

There is no way Booker or Rose are quicker than Wall in a straight line. I don't care what the tests say.

Wall is an amazing ball handler, and can keep close to his max speed with the ball. That is a different skill set, then just sprinting.

I am no track expert, but watching his run without he ball in the combine, he didn't have the best technique like how Olympic sprinters run, so that most likely affected his time.

[kurple]

OP, can you post the whole thing?

[Go Getter]

hype.

.8 is a whole lot better but Rose beating him in everything else by margins of that much is close.

:oldlol:

Like I said I wish the best for the young man and hope he does well...I predict an up and down season but stretches where he makes everyone :eek: :bowdown:

[InspiredLebowski]

I told you guys Booker's gonna be a steal for someone in the late 1st/early 2nd. If he were 6'10 instead of 6'7 (if that) he's top 15. Freakin stud athlete and all heart. Playing with unflinching intensity really is an NBA skill in the same way jumping high or whatever is. Kid has some Dale Davis in him, right down to being from Clemson.

[ShaqAttack3234]

A lot of times players prove to have higher verticals than what they recorded in the pre-draft camp.

For example, Dwight Howard had a 35.5" vert at the combine and a 9'3.5" standing reach then we saw him touch 12'6" in the dunk contest and he could probably jump a little higher, but at the very minimum that proved he had a 38.5" vert.

[entropy35]

they should have sprints with the ball, wall would do well in that. Also i agree with lilojmayo that wall's vertical looked higher, but who cares?

Where are the official results located?

[Andrei89]

Oh damn Cousins. There goes the rebounding where Howard will feast on him. Cousins 6'11" 27 inch vertical . Howard 6'11" 40 inch vertical. Pwned

[Kingwillball]

Where is that dude Truth 11 or whatever his name is Bashing Wall now ? He said he has not athletic and would not post Good Numbers..Obviously the Kid has the BEst Speed/Jumping ability combination in the Draft.

[noob cake]

16% body fat and 27 in vert won't help Cousins at all

[NBASTATMAN]

too much emphasis is put on kids who can jump high rather than guys who show good bball iq.

I AGREE..

[High Roller]

too much emphasis is put on kids who can jump high rather than guys who show good bball iq.

Because a player can become a smarter player throughout their career, but you can't teach raw athleticism (i.e. Josh Smith this season).

[dough]

Because a player can become a smarter player throughout their career, but you can't teach raw athleticism (i.e. Josh Smith this season).

Then again, more players drafted because of athleticism are out of the league after a few years, while smart players have more chances to end up having a long career.

[Go Getter]

Then again, more players drafted because of athleticism are out of the league after a few years, while smart players have more chances to end up having a long career.


I don't agree.

Athleticism and height get more players through the NBA than IQ.

Imo coachability and dedication are key IQ is overrated. If basketball IQ were half as important as you guys make it 99% of the NBA would be out of a job.

[dough]

I don't agree.

Athleticism and height get more players through the NBA than IQ.

Imo coachability and dedication are key IQ is overrated. If basketball IQ were half as important as you guys make it 99% of the NBA would be out of a job.

Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, Eddy Curry vs Lindsey Hunter, Grant Hill, Kurt Thomas, Joe Smith, Kevin Ollie.

[Go Getter]

Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, Eddy Curry vs Lindsey Hunter, Grant Hill, Kurt Thomas, Joe Smith, Kevin Ollie.


All different cases/scenarios.


Some players look smart on the floor because they are receptive to training and coaching but they are really morons basketball wise and in real life.

How many seasons did Shawn Kemp spend in the league?

[dough]

All different cases/scenarios.


Some players look smart on the floor because they are receptive to training and coaching but they are really morons basketball wise and in real life.

How many seasons did Shawn Kemp spend in the league?
Kemp? Too few.

[Go Getter]

Kemp? Too few.


What I'm saying is that being tall and athletic will get you farther in the NBA than being smart...you just have to be coachable.

If NBA execs were looking for smarts Princeton, Yale, and Harvard would have more NBA alum that UNC, UConn, and Kentucky.

[Lebron23]

A lot of times players prove to have higher verticals than what they recorded in the pre-draft camp.

For example, Dwight Howard had a 35.5" vert at the combine and a 9'3.5" standing reach then we saw him touch 12'6" in the dunk contest and he could probably jump a little higher, but at the very minimum that proved he had a 38.5" vert.

Demarcus Cousin only has a 27" Vertical Leap.

[Go Getter]

Kemp? Too few.


On of my HS coaches played against Kemp who went to Concord HS in IN.

He was definitely not know for his academic exploits...and if he would have stayed healthy and stayed away from the booze he would have had a long career.

[dough]

On of my HS coaches played against Kemp he went to Concord HS in IN.

He was definitely not know for his academic exploits...and if he would have stayed healthy and stayed away from the booze he would have had a long career.
I see where you're coming from. It will get you drafted more easy BUT if you look at the older NBA players, they're pretty smart players with a good bball IQ in general.

[Go Getter]

I see where you're coming from. It will get you drafted more easy BUT if you look at the older NBA players, they're pretty smart players with a good bball IQ in general.


My thing is though what exactly is smart/basketballIQ? How many players have the intelligence to stray from the written rules of the coach and do their own thing?

Can you quantify the success that results from good coaching and conversely good basketball IQ then compare it....are they just memorizing plays [being coached] are are they READING plays?

Who knows...I man you can tell when you see it like in Chris Paul and when you don't see it like in Jannero Pargo...but other players I'm not so sure I'd have to be closer to the game.

They haven't drafted many #1 draft picks off of basketball IQ....basketball IQ does not get you max contracts.

[dough]

My thing is though what exactly is smart/basketballIQ? How many players have the intelligence to stray from the written rules of the coach and do their own thing?

Can you quantify the success that results from good coaching and conversely good basketball IQ then compare it....are they just memorizing plays [being coached] are are they READING plays?

Who knows...I man you can tell when you see it like in Chris Paul and when you don't see it like in Jannero Pargo...but other players I'm not so sure I'd have to be closer to the game.

They haven't drafted many #1 draft picks off of basketball IQ....basketball IQ does not get you max contracts.

Knowing your strengths, knowing when athleticism fails you, you need to do other things to be assertive. Knowing your role on a team, your influence on the team, helping coach out during pre game situations and time outs. Basically knowing what's needed to win.

And I'm talking about lasting in the league here. Not being drafted or getting a max contract. I'm talking about players who last beyond the hype they get because of a few flashy dunks and a good draft combine.

Athleticism btw, doesnt get you a max contract either, so that's a moot point.

[bballer]

Time Tebow>

[2LeTTeRS]

What I'm saying is that being tall and athletic will get you farther in the NBA than being smart...you just have to be coachable.

If NBA execs were looking for smarts Princeton, Yale, and Harvard would have more NBA alum that UNC, UConn, and Kentucky.


All different cases/scenarios.


Some players look smart on the floor because they are receptive to training and coaching but they are really morons basketball wise and in real life.

How many seasons did Shawn Kemp spend in the league?

Receptiveness to coaching is one of the biggest parts of basketball IQ. Not sure why you think its not. Nobody is asking a basketball player to be a rocket scientist, he just needs to be able to think fast and make good decisions on the court, and off the court/when practicing needs to have the intelligence to process what his coaches are telling him so he can work on the weakpoints in his game.

[BigTicket]

You can see all the results here:

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-results

Derrick Favors has to be pretty happy with the results. He posted the highest maximum jump height at 12'1.5" and ran the 3/4 court sprint in 3.25.

Demarcus Cousins in the other hand has another disappointing showing, first the 16% bodyfat and now the 27 inch vertical.

Evan Turner isn't that athletic, but everyone knew that going in.

Al-Farouq Aminu's stock has to be hurt by these results. He's a SF who can't shoot, so obviously he needs to be athletic, but his 33 inch vertical is very much average.

Wesley Johnson on the other hand can shoot, and he had a 37 inch vertical and ran a 3.14 sprint (as fast as John Wall)

Luke Babbitt is perhaps the biggest winner here, he was supposed to be an undersized unathletic white guy, but he's 6'9 220lbs with low body fat, he has a 37.5 inch vertical, a sub-11s agility test and 15 reps at 185.

[2LeTTeRS]

Willie Warren's no step vert is 23" and he's a guard? That has to be a misprint. Wasn't he supposed to be athletic?

[Rake2204]

Well the one fellow I was looking out for (Manny Harris) had NA's as most of his results so that's a bummer.

I always like comparing myself to the college athletes to see if there's any I can measure up with. I wish all their heights were listed right there as well so I could put all the numbers in perspective. I always get pumped when I find out I have better numbers in a specific category than a random prospect. I've got a couple people there on the verts, and a few on the bench (I'm looking at you Avery Bradley).

The one thing that stuck out to me though, of all things, was the hand length of Greivis Vazquez. I wonder if that's an accurate number, for it's one of only two things he was measured in. But 7.75 inches. . .geesh. Overall though, I did realize every player seems to have grossly oversized hands, and it makes me sad inside.

[Posterize246]

Willie Warren's no step vert is 23" and he's a guard? That has to be a misprint. Wasn't he supposed to be athletic?
He is. He had ankle surgery 2 1/2 months ago so that could have something to do with it.

[grossofx]

can anyone tell me lebron james nba draft athletic test results

[Dresta]

A lot of times players prove to have higher verticals than what they recorded in the pre-draft camp.

For example, Dwight Howard had a 35.5" vert at the combine and a 9'3.5" standing reach then we saw him touch 12'6" in the dunk contest and he could probably jump a little higher, but at the very minimum that proved he had a 38.5" vert.
He quite obviously increased his vert through training, he was only 18 when he entered the league, and your vert doesn't remain constant you know.

[step_back]

too much emphasis is put on kids who can jump high rather than guys who show good bball iq.

I.E the massive fail on draft day 2006 when we traded Lamarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas :lol