Praise Kobe for the amazing jumpers he tossed in people's faces in Lakers-Suns game 6

[insidehoops]

That was just ridiculous. In Game 6 of Lakers-Suns West conf finals, various Phoenix dudes played essentially perfect defense on Bryant, yet he still tossed absurd jumper after jumper in their eyeballs.

Gonna actively seek out highlights of most of his second half shots

[MK2V1GP]

Not gonna praise him in a thread dedicated to praising him. I think the majority of "praise" was in the GT. I gave him tons of props for hitting two of those shots in front of the Suns' bench.

[plowking]

I swear to god the ref jumped up and tried to swat it one time. Still got it to go.

[The Choken One]

Dude's a flat out MONSTER.

[EastCaliChillin]

Kobe> Anybody whoever played basketball not named Jordan

[YAWN]

Black mamba was nuts with some of those shots. loved the one where he tapped Gentry after :lol

[rep602]

As a suns fan this hurts, and normally I get kinda sad after losing. But tonight Kobe played outta his mind with jumpers, and gotta give the guy credit. No one else in the league can make the jumpers he did.

[t-rex]

This is currently the widest gap between Kobe and Lebron that we have seen in years.


Kobe was fantastic. I use to argue that Bird was better. Not any more. Bryant has surpassed Bird on the GOAT list. And as some of you know, I am a diehard Celtics fan.

That is about the best compliment I can give. Job well done.

[cotdt]

Kobe will do the same to the Celtics. Celtics are hated even more than the Suns.

[Alonzo Magic]

:applause:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[YouGotServed]

Kobe Bryant made some unbelievable fade aways....:bowdown: It was fun watching the fans' reactions after every made jumpshot. :oldlol:

[Indian guy]

The jumper when Phx cut it to a 1 possession game was the real deal. Kobe has, and always has had, an amazing ability to realize the game's biggest moment and will himself to a basket. That tough shot just took the life out of Phx.

[DTD]

3 long jumpers in their face in the last 2 minutes. Those shots are insanely difficult, and just what the defense wants him to take... but he makes them. unbelievable.

:bowdown:

[YAWN]

"Kobe is the best player in basketball... and its not even close" - Alvin Gentry in the press conference.

Kobe Homer? :D

[Go Getter]

And people were asaying that the Celtics would rather face the Lakers than the Suns!

Who wants some of that?

Kobe is dialed in at the perfect time of year.

I don't envy Allen {x2}, PP, and the reat of the Celts and the job they're going to have to do.

Gasol, Bynum, and Odom are oging to have to nut up and play tough...

[Disaprine]

:applause:

[mtaclof]

Celtics fan checking in.
I'm not afraid of Gasol, I'm not afraid of Artest, I think Odom is crippled against the Celtics style of play, but Kobe, I hope he gets hit by a train before June 3rd, because that man cannot be guarded at times.

[RazorBaLade]

Celtics fan checking in.
I'm not afraid of Gasol, I'm not afraid of Artest, I think Odom is crippled against the Celtics style of play, but Kobe, I hope he gets hit by a train before June 3rd, because that man cannot be guarded at times.

i hope thats a playful joke

[branslowski]

Alvin Gentry-"Was that Kobe?, Or was that Michael?"

Alvin Gentry- "We played the best Player in the game, and its not even close"


:oldlol: Tons of players and coaches say's things like this, yet, if I or anyother Bryant fan, or NBA fan say's it, we get called Kobe nut gaggers...So all of the players n coaches are gaggers too? I guess you ISH posters have high iq:rolleyes:

Dont let reg season stat padding trick yo minds...Subliminal

[stephanieg]

If he has to take 20 footers after holding the ball the entire possesion against one of the worst defensive teams in the league I don't know what to say.

[EastCaliChillin]

This is currently the widest gap between Kobe and Lebron that we have seen in years.


Kobe was fantastic. I use to argue that Bird was better. Not any more. Bryant has surpassed Bird on the GOAT list. And as some of you know, I am a diehard Celtics fan.

That is about the best compliment I can give. Job well done.
Nothing i love more then Honesty and just keeping it real.

I wish i could give you some rep points
:applause: :applause:

[Funnyfuka]

Kobe Bryant made some unbelievable fade aways....:bowdown: It was fun watching the fans' reactions after every made jumpshot. :oldlol:
yeah sometimes they couldnt help applauding...him lol It was so ****ing unreal.

[DTD]

If he has to take 20 footers after holding the ball the entire possesion against one of the worst defensive teams in the league I don't know what to say.


Haters are in panic mode!

LMAO :roll:

[ginobli2311]

this is the exact reason there are so many of us that feel the need to bring everyone back down to reality.

kobe shoots 12 of 25 against an awful defensive team in an up tempo game and we get 30 threads that he is the greatest ever.....and we are supposed to ignore the thunder seres and all the time that Kobe has gone ice cold in big moments taking ridiculous shots like the ones he took tonight

when he makes those he is on like that.....he is just as good as MJ was....but he rarely shoots the ball efficiently like that in the playoffs and does it even more rarely against teams that actually play good D

look.....as a basketball fan....i want kobe to succeed. and watching him make tough shots like that is so much fun. i want the lakers to beat the celtics more than anything....just like i did in 08. if kobe keeps this up it will cap off one of the best playoffs ever.

but before i start talking about Kobe as a top 5 player and all that other stuff i want to see him step up against another great team.......

[Foster5k]

Jordan>Kobe>Magic>Hakeem>Wilt>Russell>Shaq>Duncan

[NBASTATMAN]

That was just ridiculous. In Game 6 of Lakers-Suns West conf finals, various Phoenix dudes played essentially perfect defense on Bryant, yet he still tossed absurd jumper after jumper in their eyeballs.

Gonna actively seek out highlights of most of his second half shots


MJesque.... :bowdown:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

If he has to take 20 footers after holding the ball the entire possesion against one of the worst defensive teams in the league I don't know what to say.

5th best defensive team since the all-star break.
get your facts straight.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

this is the exact reason there are so many of us that feel the need to bring everyone back down to reality.

kobe shoots 12 of 25 against an awful defensive team in an up tempo game and we get 30 threads that he is the greatest ever.....and we are supposed to ignore the thunder seres and all the time that Kobe has gone ice cold in big moments taking ridiculous shots like the ones he took tonight

when he makes those he is on like that.....he is just as good as MJ was....but he rarely shoots the ball efficiently like that in the playoffs and does it even more rarely against teams that actually play good D

look.....as a basketball fan....i want kobe to succeed. and watching him make tough shots like that is so much fun. i want the lakers to beat the celtics more than anything....just like i did in 08. if kobe keeps this up it will cap off one of the best playoffs ever.

but before i start talking about Kobe as a top 5 player and all that other stuff i want to see him step up against another great team.......
i agree 100%.

[ginobli2311]

Jordan>Kobe>Magic>Hakeem>Wilt>Russell>Shaq>Duncan


see my above post. its these gross over-reactions based on a series against the suns. lol.

[NBASTATMAN]

Jordan>Kobe>Magic>Hakeem>Wilt>Russell>Shaq>Duncan



KAREEM>JORDAN>RUSSELL>WILT> BIRD>MAGIC>HAKEEM>KOBE AND DUNCAN>SHAQ

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

lol at sasha, if i wanted to hurt him i'd do something very much different.

[NBASTATMAN]

see my above post. its these gross over-reactions based on a series against the suns. lol.


Yea it was the suns... Let's see if he can do what Wade was able to with garbage around him to the Celtics... I do hope the Lakers win ...

[Jacks3]

The Suns were top 5 defensively post All-Star break and had the best record in the league--Kobe still torched them. But clowns can't appreciate that. They can't appreciate how he completely took over that game, on the road, in Game 6 of the WCF. Sad.:pimp:

[Indian guy]

The Suns were top 5 defensively post All-Star break

Do you have statistical proof for this? I have a hard time believing a team that ranked 8th worst defensively this season could have finished the season so low with a stretch like that.

[Yung D-Will]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe

[RazorBaLade]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe

no

[branslowski]

:oldlol: @ Morons still saying..."It was Suns defense"

Dude's, Suns team defensive ranking has nothing to do with the fact that Kobe had a defender or defenders draped all over him, Tightly, hand in the face, and Bryant still killed it...This has happened all series...It isn't like he's driving to the rack getting every foul call like some other players...Dude is htting Jumpers with hands in his face...F*ck outta here with that:

":cry: Suns defense sucks,:cry: "

[ginobli2311]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe

agreed. can we just enjoy kobe's greatness without the constant jordan and GOAT comparison. Kobe is not Jordan....not even close actually. He might ultimately have an argument against some of the above players though.

also.

there is a difference between spectacular and great. kobe might be the most spectacular player ever....but he is not even close to the greatest

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe

Hakeem? Duncan? tough call.

[Foster5k]

In closing, let me just quote Alvin Gentry.

"Was that Michael or Kobe?" :D

I guess some of these guys, on ISH, know more than NBA coaches.

[Jacks3]

:oldlol: @ Morons still saying..."It was Suns defense"

Dude's, Suns team defensive ranking has nothing to do with the fact that Kobe had a defender or defenders draped all over him, Tightly, hand in the face, and Bryant still killed it...This has happened all series...It isn't like he's driving to the rack getting every foul call like some other players...Dude is htting Jumpers with hands in his face...F*ck outta here with that:

":cry: Suns defense sucks,:cry: "
This.

[t-rex]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe



No, all of those players are not better than Kobe.

[Jacks3]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe
Not definite.

[EastCaliChillin]

:oldlol: @ Morons still saying..."It was Suns defense"

Dude's, Suns team defensive ranking has nothing to do with the fact that Kobe had a defender or defenders draped all over him, Tightly, hand in the face, and Bryant still killed it...This has happened all series...It isn't like he's driving to the rack getting every foul call like some other players...Dude is htting Jumpers with hands in his face...F*ck outta here with that:

":cry: Suns defense sucks,:cry: "
Exactly. People are acting like he has been just getting lay-ups and dunks.
Only Stat_Whores would say stupid sh*t like that

Double pump fade-aways with 2 hands in his face

Kobe Bryant is a top 5 talent

[J_Rock3ts]

Man, great game by the Mamba...should be a great series coming up.


Oh, and f*ck Kobe Bryant. Celts, in '10 b*tches.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Hey People.... Praise!!!

[Yung D-Will]

No, all of those players are not better than Kobe.

Yes all of them are. :rolleyes:

[BallPhunk]

Over his career I've thought of Jordan for a few moments here and there.

I thought of Jordan quite a few times this series.

It's times like this that I wish this board wasn't made up of so many people that hate Kobe with a burning passion, or just pimp him. Hard to have a real discussion about it.

He's playing at an unbelievable level right now. Will be interesting to see if he can keep it up against one of the all-time great defenses...

[ProfessorMurder]

kobe might be the most spectacular player ever....

Not true.

[branslowski]

Not Wrong


Fixed

[PowerGlove]

:oldlol: @ Morons still saying..."It was Suns defense"

Dude's, Suns team defensive ranking has nothing to do with the fact that Kobe had a defender or defenders draped all over him, Tightly, hand in the face, and Bryant still killed it...This has happened all series...It isn't like he's driving to the rack getting every foul call like some other players...Dude is htting Jumpers with hands in his face...F*ck outta here with that:

":cry: Suns defense sucks,:cry: "

Please link me to that post. I want to know where these morons are posting because it couldn't have been in this thread.

Sometimes I get the feeling that some of you dont actually get satisfaction from your team succeeding, but rubbing that victory in other people's faces as if we care.

[The Magic Man]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe

We know. You even have the picture to prove it. This guy is playing damn near perfect basketball. I would think even if you don't like the man, a true basketball fan would appreciate that. Who cares about a top 10 list right now. Just enjoy watching one of the best.

[Foster5k]

Realistically, I think tonight Kobe has silenced a lot of haters. Wherever they had him on their all time great list, he has just moved up two spots. If he wins another championship, it would be pointless to argue his legacy as a player, which would put him right behind the one and only Micheal Air Jordan.

[YouGotServed]

Realistically, I think tonight Kobe has silenced a lot of haters. Wherever they had him on their all time great list, he has just moved up two spots. If he wins another championship, it would be pointless to argue his legacy as a player, which would put him right behind the one and only Micheal Air Jordan.


Really? After one game..:ohwell:

[Yung D-Will]

We know. You even have the picture to prove it. This guy is playing damn near perfect basketball. I would think even if you don't like the man, a true basketball fan would appreciate that. Who cares about a top 10 list right now. Just enjoy watching one of the best.

When people are claiming he's the second best player to ever play in the Nba.

Obviously you saw me enjoying the game in the Suns-Lakers game thread and slurping Kobe since you seem to find me where ever I go.

And that wasn't a top 10 list. It was me naming players better then him which happens to be 9.

[YAWN]

When people are claiming he's the second best player to ever play in the Nba.

Obviously you saw me enjoying the game in the Suns-Lakers game thread and slurping Kobe since you seem to find me where ever I go.

And that wasn't a top 10 list. It was me naming players better then him which happens to be 9.

3 are arguable right now, and 5 of them might become arguable in a couple weeks...

[Jr Llaban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EJrMx07K8&playnext_from=TL&videos=IJI8f0iBicA&feature=sub

Can't stop teh Bean.

[Brandon Roy]

Really? After one game..:ohwell:
It wasn't just after one game. It's just about looking at the bigger picture. You got to look at the trees and the forest.

The trees - he has been playing efficiently all series long, and he just had one of the most ridiculous performances we have seen in a long time as an NBA fan. The magnitude of this game, along with just the sheer difficulty level of the shots he was making in order to close out the game when the Suns had momentum on their side, shows his greatness.

The forest - the man has 4 championships. Yes, the first three were with one of the greatest centers ever, but Kobe DID contribute greatly on that team. Four rings. At one point, the best perimeter defender in the league. One of the greatest scorers in NBA history. One of the most skilled players in NBA history. The man, whether you want to accept it or not, is one of the greatest basketball players we will ever see.

Whether you're a Kobe fan or not, let's just, for once, appreciate his game without having to throw insults at him.

[YouGotServed]

It wasn't just after one game. It's just about looking at the bigger picture. You got to look at the trees and the forest.

The trees - he has been playing efficiently all series long, and he just had one of the most ridiculous performances we have seen in a long time as an NBA fan. The magnitude of this game, along with just the sheer difficulty level of the shots he was making in order to close out the game when the Suns had momentum on their side, shows his greatness.

The forest - the man has 4 championships. Yes, the first three were with one of the greatest centers ever, but Kobe DID contribute greatly on that team. Four rings. At one point, the best perimeter defender in the league. One of the greatest scorers in NBA history. One of the most skilled players in NBA history. The man, whether you want to accept it or not, is one of the greatest basketball players we will ever see.

Whether you're a Kobe fan or not, let's just, for once, appreciate his game without having to throw insults at him.


The poster I replied to was implying Kobe was 2nd all time behind only Michael Jordan. I disagree with that statement and I still do. Sorry brah, Kobe is good but he's no where near being the best of all time. I know you didn't say that in your post but that's why I replied to the other poster.

[LA_Showtime]

Wow. What more can you say? Kobe put on a show tonight.

Three straight Finals appearances. That's damn impressive in itself.

[Allstar24]

agreed. can we just enjoy kobe's greatness without the constant jordan and GOAT comparison. Kobe is not Jordan....not even close actually. He might ultimately have an argument against some of the above players though.

also.

there is a difference between spectacular and great. kobe might be the most spectacular player ever....but he is not even close to the greatest
Kobe can't stop Alvin Gentry from comparing him to Jordan. He's just playing the game and trying to help his team win. Why don't you just give him his props and get the hell out? There are about 20 other KB threads where I've seen you hating. Get a life.

[SevereUpInHere]

Growing up i was a Knicks fan, and for that reason i always hated Jordan, i feel like this robbed me of enjoying the best player to play the game. looking back on old games now i can see how good he was and i love watching him play. I wish i didnt hate him so much back then so i could appreciate how good he really was.
I feel like a lot of people are like this with kobe now too. And bron to a lesser extent. good to see the so called 'haters' giving him some props. a couple of classy suns fans in here

[ChrisConley]

Kobe missed 4 of his first 5 shots in the 4th quarter. If you keep chucking, eventually you'll make some.

That being said, he is the best "bad look" jumpshooter in the league hands down. He takes horribly contested turnaround fadaways and all sorts of crazy shots and makes way more of them than he should. No one in the league can make the crazy shots he makes. I almost think he's better with a hand in his face sometimes.

[lpublic_enemyl]

i was joking with my friends about kobe shooting and making so many bad shots in a game that if u just leave him open he might miss lmao :lol

[RoseCity07]

I got to be real. There is that part of me that wants to hate on Kobe because it's the lakers. But that part of me that just doesn't care but to see greatness has to give it up for Kobe. What he is doing is legendary.

[TryToBeUnbias]

That Sh*t was F*cking EPIC

[flipogb]

i was just laughing, cant really say anything. it was insane how many tough fade aways he made

I was saying no way almost like I wasn't a Lakers fan

[plowking]

I jizzed in my pants watching him today.
Seriously, his play was baby making stuff

[BlueandGold]

The poster I replied to was implying Kobe was 2nd all time behind only Michael Jordan. I disagree with that statement and I still do. Sorry brah, Kobe is good but he's no where near being the best of all time. I know you didn't say that in your post but that's why I replied to the other poster.

rofl at this kid who gets into fights with the majority of the people on this forum. Plus you have 3000 posts and you joined after I did, that is incredibly sad. You either have no life or have a lot of time on your hands, I'm guessing both.

[Mrofir]

I am posting here because I am a Suns fan, and I hope the Lakers get destroyed in the finals, and I think Kobe is most likely a bad person and that makes it difficult for me to enjoy his success on any level. I've also made the argument in the past that he can never surpass Jordan because he's already played poorly in 2 NBA finals series. But despite the fact I think all these things...


Damn. Kobe's performance this series really was something else and honestly I agree with Gentry.. the last person to do anything remotely like what Kobe did this series is Jordan. This kind of thing hasn't happened since MJ, and back then I was a Suns fan rooting against him and only later did I realize what greatness I missed. This was that. I know the feeling. I didn't miss it this time. And I do appreciate it. But I hope the Celtics eat them alive. That's the best I can do.

[Mrofir]

Growing up i was a Knicks fan, and for that reason i always hated Jordan, i feel like this robbed me of enjoying the best player to play the game. looking back on old games now i can see how good he was and i love watching him play. I wish i didnt hate him so much back then so i could appreciate how good he really was.
I feel like a lot of people are like this with kobe now too. And bron to a lesser extent. good to see the so called 'haters' giving him some props. a couple of classy suns fans in here

This is a better version of my story.

[plowking]

rofl at this kid who gets into fights with the majority of the people on this forum. Plus you have 3000 posts and you joined after I did, that is incredibly sad. You either have no life or have a lot of time on your hands, I'm guessing both.

I can't believe we've found someone to match the retardedness of Kiddlovesnets.

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe missed 4 of his first 5 shots in the 4th quarter. If you keep chucking, eventually you'll make some.

That being said, he is the best "bad look" jumpshooter in the league hands down. He takes horribly contested turnaround fadaways and all sorts of crazy shots and makes way more of them than he should. No one in the league can make the crazy shots he makes. I almost think he's better with a hand in his face sometimes.

omg you are ridiculous. Kobe makes like 3 or 4 ridiculous clutch shots, missed a couple i believe 3 prior to that, and you're gonna downplay him shooting 50% and making the most important ones? I guess kwame brown should have shot more, I mean if he kept shooting eventually he'd start knocking down clutch as shots over tough D right? Lebron should have kept shooting vs the celtics, his 1/12 or whatever it was just wasn't enough shots if he had taken about 20 more he could have made a couple and had an on par performance with kobe today right?


so gay, some of the haters here are ridiculous. cant appreciate GREATNESS even when its in your damn face

[konex]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5257/wcfbryantvspheonix.png

:bowdown:

[Jacks3]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5257/wcfbryantvspheonix.png

:bowdown:
Man I hope he can shoot like that vs Boston.:eek:

[eliteballer]

"Those aren't shooters shots, they're scorer's shot. Those are best-player-in-the-game type shots."

-- Steve Nash on Kobe Bryant's nine points in the final two minutes of Game 6

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100529/daily-dime

[monkeypox]

I thought it was amazing. Of course I'm a laker fan so you'd expect that reaction. But the beginning of the game where it was like Nash and Kobe just bombing back to back, it was like watching titatns duke it out among the mortals. Even though Nash making those shots didn't benefit my team, I enjoyed the hell out of them just as a basketball fan. And Kobe? I thought was just epic. Although I read on here that it was just Kobe taking advantage of bad D, and really was nothing special. Just sad that some people will chose to ignore stuff like this in favor of hate.

[raptorfan_dr07]

Let me just make sure this is known


Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russel
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Magic

All of those players are better then Kobe

Best f*cking post in this entire thread. BY FAR. Good to see some people have their minds in reality and not fantasy land. There are more players I personally would take over him as well but those 9 are WITHOUT DOUBT BETTER. I don't need to bring up their accomplishments, their legacies speak for themselves. They've done MULTIPLE TIMES, key word: MULTIPLE, what Kobe has ONLY DONE ONCE, yes you got that right, ONCE. If Boston f*cks his sh*t up, like I expect they will, he'll still be a one hit wonder while those other guys had several #1 chart toppers.

[RazorBaLade]

Best f*cking post in this entire thread. BY FAR. Good to see some people have their minds in reality and not fantasy land. There are more players I personally would take over him as well but those 9 are WITHOUT DOUBT BETTER. I don't need to bring up their accomplishments, their legacies speak for themselves. They've done MULTIPLE TIMES, key word: MULTIPLE, what Kobe has ONLY DONE ONCE, yes you got that right, ONCE. If Boston f*cks his sh*t up, like I expect they will, he'll still be a one hit wonder while those other guys had several #1 chart toppers.

dude calm down kobe hasnt even won his 5th ring yet and you're almost gonna blow up with rage. dont be so mad man

[AJ2k8]

Not a whole lot you can say to your team in that situation..:eek:

[RazorBaLade]

I don't know the hotspot chart thing works, why is the 6-15 area grey but the 2-5 isnt? same percentage.

[Yung D-Will]

I don't know the hotspot chart thing works, why is the 6-15 area grey but the 2-5 isnt? same percentage.

I think because it might be from the 3 point line

[RazorBaLade]

I think because it might be from the 3 point line

oh makes sense. Does it do that for every section on the chart? I'd like to see something like that for his career or this year or something

[Rocker09]

Win another championship and he'll be in the top 5 greatest players of all time for sure....

[Yung D-Will]

Win another championship and he'll be in the top 5 greatest players of all time for sure....

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/save-planet-kill-yourself.jpg

[Rocker09]

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/save-planet-kill-yourself.jpg

Yeah.....

instead of arguing like a grown up, you posted that?

wow....what's happening w/ ISH???

[Yung D-Will]

Yeah.....

instead of arguing like a grown up, you posted that?

wow....what's happening w/ ISH???
Stupid picture for a stupid overreaction post.

[Rocker09]

Stupid picture for a stupid overreaction post.

Reread my post...I said that IF HE WINS ANOTHER championship, he'll be top 5 of all time for sure...I never said that he's already there...

How is that overreacting? :confusedshrug:

[RazorBaLade]

Reread my post...I said that IF HE WINS ANOTHER championship, he'll be top 5 of all time for sure...I never said that he's already there...

How is that overreacting? :confusedshrug:

if he did the same thing to the celts as he did to the suns, it would be split on who thinks hes t5 and who thinks he isnt. But that isn't a realistic thing to think about. People will have him 2nd all time if he does this shit against celts to win a title. Right now most people have him 9/10, idiots have him 11-15, and big kobe fans have him 7,8. fanboys maybe have him 6th. It's hard to imagine the popular opinion (9/10) jump 4 spots with just 1 ring.

[Yung D-Will]

if he did the same thing to the celts as he did to the suns, it would be split on who thinks hes t5 and who thinks he isnt. But that isn't a realistic thing to think about. People will have him 2nd all time if he does this shit against celts to win a title. Right now most people have him 9/10, idiots have him 11-15, and big kobe fans have him 7,8. fanboys maybe have him 6th. It's hard to imagine the popular opinion (9/10) jump 4 spots with just 1 ring.



Finally someone looks at this logically

[Rocker09]

if he did the same thing to the celts as he did to the suns, it would be split on who thinks hes t5 and who thinks he isnt. But that isn't a realistic thing to think about. People will have him 2nd all time if he does this shit against celts to win a title. Right now most people have him 9/10, idiots have him 11-15, and big kobe fans have him 7,8. fanboys maybe have him 6th. It's hard to imagine the popular opinion (9/10) jump 4 spots with just 1 ring.

I'll revise my post then...If the lakers win another championship and if kobe puts up the same performance he had against the suns, he'll be in the top 5 for sure....

[RazorBaLade]

Finally someone looks at this logically

What do you think, 2 spots a ring from here on out? ignoring stats here just plain old career wise.

[Yung D-Will]

I find it funny how on this forum I get called Both a Kobe Homer and a Kobe Hater.

[RazorBaLade]

I'll revise my post then...If the lakers win another championship and if kobe puts up the same performance he had against the suns, he'll be in the top 5 for sure....

for sure. if this was a game 6 of the finals and he did what he did, i dont know man how many la fans are there out there we could outnumber eveyrone else and vote kobe in as the goat if tehre was a poll

[Yung D-Will]

What do you think, 2 spots a ring from here on out? ignoring stats here just plain old career wise.

Depends Kobe's short term goal would be surpassing Hakeem-Duncan and Shaq. And 2 do that he needs at least 2 rings or people will continue to use the Kobe got carried by Shaq argument. But after the 2 rings Kobe can land anywhere from that 2 spot to that 6 spot.

[Rocker09]

for sure. if this was a game 6 of the finals and he did what he did, i dont know man how many la fans are there out there we could outnumber eveyrone else and vote kobe in as the goat if tehre was a poll

Some delusional fans are actually putting kobe at #2 right now :oldlol:...

Imagine what would happen if he wins the chip w/ this type of performance....

[RazorBaLade]

Some delusional fans are actually putting kobe at #2 right now :oldlol:...

Imagine what would happen if he wins the chip w/ this type of performance....

yep. I'll be honest id be one of the delusional fans if that happened, at least for a few days. this forum would be unreadable, lebron fans saying "lebron could have done it", kobe fans just posting u mad pictures everywhere. Would be awesome.

[Yung D-Will]

yep. I'll be honest id be one of the delusional fans if that happened, at least for a few days. this forum would be unreadable, lebron fans saying "lebron could have done it", kobe fans just posting u mad pictures everywhere. Would be awesome.

Every Kobe thread will be frogged I guarantee it

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[INDI]

Kobe is the 2nd best player of all-time period. Ive have read comments on these boards for years and have seen so much nonsense spoken about Kobe that it's ridicoulous. Even lakers fans of old have said that Kobe is better than Magic, and Magic is deemed on many people's lists as the second greatest player of all-time. as far as Wilt, Shaq, these guys are more DOMINANT then Kobe not BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYERS and in the same measure that you deem them better than Kobe you can also deem them better than Jordan. them other dudes (Bird, Russell, Duncan, Hakeem) are great but cannot be serious considerations for being better thank Kobe.

I would like someone to truly break down each one of the players (besides Jordan) that is deemed better thank kobe with a side by side comparison. You will find that Kobe has already more than held his own or surpassed many of the guys on you list in statistical categories, and still has 7-8 more years of basketball left. Most of these guys are living off of legacy and not what they actually did on the floor. For instance people say Russell was hands down greater, but never even seen him play, or recognized the era that he played in did not have the fierce competition of todays game, Russell pound for pound is a very good comparison to todays D.howard, and if D.howard was playing in that era would have put up very similar stats, but would you say that D.howard can hold a torch to Kobe?

p.s. If you want to talk about rings then I guess Russell is the greatest player of alltime in your books anyway right ?

[Yung D-Will]

Kobe is the 2nd best player of all-time period. Ive have read comments on these boards for years and have seen so much nonsense spoken about Kobe that it's ridicoulous. Even lakers fans of old have said that Kobe is better than Magic, and Magic is deemed on many people's lists as the second greatest player of all-time. as far as Wilt, Shaq, these guys are more DOMINANT then Kobe not BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYERS and in the same measure that you deem them better than Kobe you can also deem them better than Jordan. them other dudes (Bird, Russell, Duncan, Hakeem) are great but cannot be serious considerations for being better thank Kobe.

I would like someone to truly break down each one of the players (besides Jordan) that is deemed better thank kobe with a side by side comparison. You will find that Kobe has already more than held his own or surpassed many of the guys on you list in statistical categories, and still has 7-8 more years of basketball left. Most of these guys are living off of legacy and not what they actually did on the floor. For instance people say Russell was hands down greater, but never even seen him play, or recognized the era that he played in did not have the fierce competition of todays game, Russell pound for pound is a very good comparison to todays D.howard, and if D.howard was playing in that era would have put up very similar stats, but would you say that D.howard can hold a torch to Kobe?

p.s. If you want to talk about rings then I guess Russell is the greatest player of alltime in your books anyway right ?

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[ukplayer4]

kobe has looked great this series, he wont put up the same insane number against boston but he is going to get his no doubt, right now he looks unstoppable.

[ukplayer4]

if he did the same thing to the celts as he did to the suns, it would be split on who thinks hes t5 and who thinks he isnt. But that isn't a realistic thing to think about. People will have him 2nd all time if he does this shit against celts to win a title. Right now most people have him 9/10, idiots have him 11-15, and big kobe fans have him 7,8. fanboys maybe have him 6th. It's hard to imagine the popular opinion (9/10) jump 4 spots with just 1 ring.



that looks about right.

[LA_Showtime]

It's difficult to place Kobe. Part of his career can be attributed to having Shaq, but his presence also caused Kobe's stats to be slightly lower. Besides a couple of seasons, Kobe has never been as dominant as Jordan, Kareem, Shaq, Chamberlain, etc. Career wise, you could argue he's top 5-7, but as an individual player I'd put him around 10-12.

[LA_Showtime]

:oldlol: Btw, we should probably wait until the Lakers actually beat the Celtics before determining Kobe's all-time rank. :oldlol: We all rememember how the Finals ended the last time these two teams met.

[unknowns8]

yes yes... some ridiculous shots to be taking... let alone making :applause:

great bit of skill from KB24 to create the space and then make the shots at such a critical stage

bring on the finals... great clash of styles/tactics/skill sets

:rockon:

[The Magic Man]

When people are claiming he's the second best player to ever play in the Nba.

Obviously you saw me enjoying the game in the Suns-Lakers game thread and slurping Kobe since you seem to find me where ever I go.

And that wasn't a top 10 list. It was me naming players better then him which happens to be 9.

Find you wherever you go? It's not hard to find the haters. Just go to a thread with the name Kobe in it. You seem to pull that list out your a$$ everytime. The funny thing is, I would bet my mortgage that half you bafoons don't even believe all of those 9 players are better, you just roll with it because others believe that.

I've never cared about what spot he's in. I just get sick of haters on ISH turning everything into a "This guy is better" thread. This thread's title suggested that we praise Kobe for his play last night. You don't wanna do that then kick rocks. If some "delusional" fans wanna say he's the all time GOAT, f*ck it. Let them have thier fun. Why do you care. That is the definition of a hater. Go make your "These Guys Are Waaaaaay Better Than Kobe" thread for the 20th time.

That said, Kobe has been on fire since Game 5 of the Thunder series. You can even see that his mind frame is different from 08. In 08 he wanted to beat those guys by himself. Now, it looks like he knows he has to trust his team to get it done. We need Pau though. He hasn't done much since Game 2.

[Brandon Roy]

The poster I replied to was implying Kobe was 2nd all time behind only Michael Jordan. I disagree with that statement and I still do. Sorry brah, Kobe is good but he's no where near being the best of all time. I know you didn't say that in your post but that's why I replied to the other poster.
Oh arite. My bad man.

[Clifton]

That was just ridiculous. In Game 6 of Lakers-Suns West conf finals, various Phoenix dudes played essentially perfect defense on Bryant, yet he still tossed absurd jumper after jumper in their eyeballs.
If he did that kind of thing less, he would be a better player. Remember that Celtics/Lakers series that the Lakers lost? Remember Kobe trying to do that kind of thing every single game and missing the great majority of them? Remember Kobe trying to do that against the Pistons and having it go his way only in game 2?

He's gotten a lot better about it. And yes he brought his team to a victory. My only worry (well, not really "worry" since the Celtics have been my team in these playoffs since the Blazers lost, though I'd like to see the Celtics beat the Lakers at their best not at their softest and chuckingest) is that this kind of performance will "embolden" him to try to recreate it every single Finals game and essentially give the Celtics the series in 5.

The Celtics are a much much better defensive team than the Suns; Kobe won't be able to gather the rhythm that allows him to do that kind of thing to teams.

Now let me give it to Kobe and say that the way he's played this year has been probably my favorite season of his to watch and appreciate. He has truly been an artist this year.

[purple32gold]

this is the exact reason there are so many of us that feel the need to bring everyone back down to reality.

kobe shoots 12 of 25 against an awful defensive team in an up tempo game and we get 30 threads that he is the greatest ever.....and we are supposed to ignore the thunder seres and all the time that Kobe has gone ice cold in big moments taking ridiculous shots like the ones he took tonight

when he makes those he is on like that.....he is just as good as MJ was....but he rarely shoots the ball efficiently like that in the playoffs and does it even more rarely against teams that actually play good D

look.....as a basketball fan....i want kobe to succeed. and watching him make tough shots like that is so much fun. i want the lakers to beat the celtics more than anything....just like i did in 08. if kobe keeps this up it will cap off one of the best playoffs ever.

but before i start talking about Kobe as a top 5 player and all that other stuff i want to see him step up against another great team.......
how funny you left out the utah series. i guess since you don't remember it, it never happened huh. :violin:

[john_d]

i swear to god most of these kobe trolls aren't even laker fans...

they just come here to rile people up. disgusting son of a b!cthes.

thank god for grounded lakers fans or else our reputation as laker fans on this board is the sh1t.

[MaxFly]

This is currently the widest gap between Kobe and Lebron that we have seen in years.


Kobe was fantastic. I use to argue that Bird was better. Not any more. Bryant has surpassed Bird on the GOAT list. And as some of you know, I am a diehard Celtics fan.

That is about the best compliment I can give. Job well done.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves please... let's cut back on the crazy talk.... :no:

[Yung D-Will]

Find you wherever you go? It's not hard to find the haters. Just go to a thread with the name Kobe in it. You seem to pull that list out your a$$ everytime. The funny thing is, I would bet my mortgage that half you bafoons don't even believe all of those 9 players are better, you just roll with it because others believe that.

I've never cared about what spot he's in. I just get sick of haters on ISH turning everything into a "This guy is better" thread. This thread's title suggested that we praise Kobe for his play last night. You don't wanna do that then kick rocks. If some "delusional" fans wanna say he's the all time GOAT, f*ck it. Let them have thier fun. Why do you care. That is the definition of a hater. Go make your "These Guys Are Waaaaaay Better Than Kobe" thread for the 20th time.

That said, Kobe has been on fire since Game 5 of the Thunder series. You can even see that his mind frame is different from 08. In 08 he wanted to beat those guys by himself. Now, it looks like he knows he has to trust his team to get it done. We need Pau though. He hasn't done much since Game 2.

LMao stop reading after the first rant.

Lol It's funny how People call me a Kobe Homer and now you claim I'm a Kobe hater. You really do need to pay attention better you're not really that great of a stalker

Once again do you want a link to every thread I've made on Ish. I guarantee you 95% Have nothing to do with any of those players actually.

Next time you decide to stalk someone you should research better (You know how I suck Kobe in just about every game thread and every Kobe vs Lebron thread) I've never actually said anyone has been better then Kobe since 2007 actually I've defended him in about every thread.



I'm not gonna be irrational after he has a big game though and start claiming dumb things.

[MaxFly]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5257/wcfbryantvspheonix.png

:bowdown:

Wow... That's um... a lot or red zones... It's going to take team defense...

[Soothsayer]

If he did that kind of thing less, he would be a better player. Remember that Celtics/Lakers series that the Lakers lost? Remember Kobe trying to do that kind of thing every single game and missing the great majority of them? Remember Kobe trying to do that against the Pistons and having it go his way only in game 2?

He's gotten a lot better about it. And yes he brought his team to a victory. My only worry (well, not really "worry" since the Celtics have been my team in these playoffs since the Blazers lost, though I'd like to see the Celtics beat the Lakers at their best not at their softest and chuckingest) is that this kind of performance will "embolden" him to try to recreate it every single Finals game and essentially give the Celtics the series in 5.

The Celtics are a much much better defensive team than the Suns; Kobe won't be able to gather the rhythm that allows him to do that kind of thing to teams.

Now let me give it to Kobe and say that the way he's played this year has been probably my favorite season of his to watch and appreciate. He has truly been an artist this year.

This is very true. Kobe has been taking some bad shots and making bad decisions. Fortunately for him and the Lakers, many of these shots have recently been going in. What happens if he starts missing these, and we start seeing the 7-25 shooting games again?

Point being, let's not get carried away because Kobe is taking, and making, bad shots. He has frequently missed those in the past, especially against good defenses.

[ChrisConley]

This is very true. Kobe has been taking some bad shots and making bad decisions. Fortunately for him and the Lakers, many of these shots have recently been going in. What happens if he starts missing these, and we start seeing the 7-25 shooting games again?

Point being, let's not get carried away because Kobe is taking, and making, bad shots. He has frequently missed those in the past, especially against good defenses.

omg you are ridiculous. Kobe makes like 3 or 4 ridiculous clutch shots, missed a couple i believe 3 prior to that, and you're gonna downplay him shooting 50% and making the most important ones? I guess kwame brown should have shot more, I mean if he kept shooting eventually he'd start knocking down clutch as shots over tough D right? Lebron should have kept shooting vs the celtics, his 1/12 or whatever it was just wasn't enough shots if he had taken about 20 more he could have made a couple and had an on par performance with kobe today right?


so gay, some of the haters here are ridiculous. cant appreciate GREATNESS even when its in your damn face

[just beating RazorBaLade to the punch... see page 5 and don't ever mention Kobe taking bad shots again!]

[KenneBell]

IMO, Kobe's shot selection in these playoffs has been very good. Game 1 and 6 were the only time I could honestly say he took some really crazy ones.

I really don;t know what Clifton and Soothsayer are talking about.

[Soothsayer]

omg you are ridiculous. Kobe makes like 3 or 4 ridiculous clutch shots, missed a couple i believe 3 prior to that, and you're gonna downplay him shooting 50% and making the most important ones? I guess kwame brown should have shot more, I mean if he kept shooting eventually he'd start knocking down clutch as shots over tough D right? Lebron should have kept shooting vs the celtics, his 1/12 or whatever it was just wasn't enough shots if he had taken about 20 more he could have made a couple and had an on par performance with kobe today right?


so gay, some of the haters here are ridiculous. cant appreciate GREATNESS even when its in your damn face

[just beating RazorBaLade to the punch... see page 5 and don't ever mention Kobe taking bad shots again!]


No hate. But unlike many Kobe fans, I don't suddenly forget things that happened the year before last, or 4 years ago simply because Kobe had 2 good series in a row against bad defenses, taking and making many bad shots.

Faced with better defense, if Kobe continues to take those shots, he may very well revert back to missing many of them, and hurt his team.

I never said Kobe is not great. But it's silly to suggest he does not take bad shots. He takes and makes more bad shots than just about anyone. Against bad defenses, more of those will go in.

It's about creating good opportunities for your team.

[MaxFly]

No hate. But unlike many Kobe fans, I don't suddenly forget things that happened the year before last, or 4 years ago simply because Kobe had 2 good series in a row against bad defenses, taking and making many bad shots.

Faced with better defense, if Kobe continues to take those shots, he may very well revert back to missing many of them, and hurt his team.

I never said Kobe is not great. But it's silly to suggest he does not take bad shots. He takes and makes more bad shots than just about anyone. Against bad defenses, more of those will go in.

It's about creating good opportunities for your team.

The problem here is that the defense for the most part wasn't bad; it was actually pretty good. The reason that most of the shots are deemed bad in the first place is because of the quality of the defense that was being played at the time in contesting those shots... The shot over Grant Hill is a prime example. I'm not sure how much better the defense could have been without actually fouling Bryant on that shot.

We'll see what adjustments will be made for the Celtics... but we will certainly force him to make adjustments... The tough thing is that if he's hitting bad shots, there's nothing the defense can do about it. The point of playing good defense is to force players into taking bad or tough shots, but if they're hitting those shots, not much can be done. Our concern is that since his knee was drained a few weeks ago, he's had more lift on his shots, and quite a number of his bad shots have been falling since, even on great defense.

[Johnni Gade]

******gers.

[unbreakable]

Please

:cheers:

[JM720]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/620749/kobe-insane-shot-over-hill-o.gif

[TheLogo]

That was an epic moment.

Drains the jumper and taps the opposing coach.

Only Kobe can do that.

[lakerHater]

Gentry shoulda punched him square in the face! :lol

[TonyJones]

"get somebody out here to guard me coach!"

[TheLogo]

Gentry shoulda punched him square in the face! :lol

...and the bad thing about this great moment, was Gentry smiling back at Kobe.

As a Suns' player, I would have been upset that my coach and opponent just had a man-love moment.

Looks like Gentry is star struck.

[Freshprince619]

Imagine if that was Stan Van Gundy, He probably would have attacked Kobe lol

[NBASTATMAN]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/620749/kobe-insane-shot-over-hill-o.gif


That was good defense by GhILL but he was on Kobe's side.. Not in front of him..It would have been Much better defense if he was standing in front of Kobe, invading his space... It becomes a much harder shot than..

[magnax1]

How do you make GIFs?

[gts]

Gentry shoulda punched him square in the face! :lol
gentry and kobe are freindly off the court, goes back to gentry's time with the clips

gentry is smiling because he told hill "good D" and kobe said "not good enough"

or something along those lines

[godofgods]

WOW, Gentry really was on Fakers' payroll.

If he has any dignity, he'd Kermitwashingtonize Kobe right there and then.

[oh the horror]

I like the fact that Alvin was chill about it. At the end of the day, its a game, and you DO have to tip your hat off to Bryant because he was just killing it at the point in the game.

[lilkobe]

No matter which side you're on, how can you do anything but smile when someone hits an amazing shot like that

[pete's montreux]

Well at least Majerle looked like he wanted to strangle Kobe.

[Showtime]

Well at least Majerle looked like he wanted to strangle Kobe.
I was just gonna say...

Son, I am dissapoint...

[Allstar24]

gentry and kobe are freindly off the court, goes back to gentry's time with the clips

gentry is smiling because he told hill "good D" and kobe said "not good enough"

or something along those lines
Exactly. I watched Gentry's postgame interview where he said he's known Kobe since he was 16...obviously they have that kind of a relationship where Kobe can playfully taunt him. He wouldn't do that to Jerry Sloan or Doc Rivers. It was obviously good-natured but as usual, people want to make a bigger deal out of it...

[zizozain]

...and the bad thing about this great moment, was Gentry smiling back at Kobe.

As a Suns' player, I would have been upset that my coach and opponent just had a man-love moment.

Looks like Gentry is star struck.
why smiling is a bad thing ?
game almost over and no need for overreaction
plus being a better person is more important than winning or rings

[alexandreben]

This is currently the widest gap between Kobe and Lebron that we have seen in years.


Kobe was fantastic. I use to argue that Bird was better. Not any more. Bryant has surpassed Bird on the GOAT list. And as some of you know, I am a diehard Celtics fan.

That is about the best compliment I can give. Job well done.
Kobe has surpassed Bird on the GOAT list???!!! i don't know what are you smoking but you couldn't be wrong any more

[Clifton]

Wow... That's um... a lot or red zones... It's going to take team defense...
Psh. 25% from the corners. He needs to work on that.

Kidding... My, it really is something how he's like 60% from every zone in that chart. :oldlol: Great series from Kobe, no doubt about it.


omg you are ridiculous.
Let me restate that I am not hating. The reason I don't like Kobe, or fear him that much really, is because I have no bias for or against him in any way. For a guy like Kobe I can simply analyze. I can analyze and say, "When he plays the Celtics, I HOPE he plays exactly like that because I know that he can't maintain that kind of heat for a 7 game series against one of the best defenses in the league. I know he can't. And I'd love for him to try.

"In fact, I'd love for him to succeed. Let him go for 40 in game 1. Let him hit a couple of miracle 3s to win game 2, like he did against Detroit. That way he shoots his team out of the rest of the series and the Celtics win."

Unless, of course, he doesn't. If he actually develops the patience and prudence you see in the *true* all-time top-ten greats, and in guys like Duncan and Pierce, where it seems like every shot is a good shot and the best one they could have gotten that possession, the Lakers will win the series. Almost guaranteed. And probably every series after that unless someone gets injured. But you will see fewer threads like this. Because the type of play that results in people on ESPN and ISH going crazy about how epic that performance was, does not correspond with winning basketball. You can have your threads, I don't need to hate. I'm comfortable watching Kobe losing to an inferior team because he was too impatient to forego this type of praise for a higher type of play.

[AI3Anthony]

:bowdown:

[KobeBry@nt24]

good defense by grant hill better offense by kobe bryant

[ginobli2311]

Psh. 25% from the corners. He needs to work on that.

Kidding... My, it really is something how he's like 60% from every zone in that chart. :oldlol: Great series from Kobe, no doubt about it.


Let me restate that I am not hating. The reason I don't like Kobe, or fear him that much really, is because I have no bias for or against him in any way. For a guy like Kobe I can simply analyze. I can analyze and say, "When he plays the Celtics, I HOPE he plays exactly like that because I know that he can't maintain that kind of heat for a 7 game series against one of the best defenses in the league. I know he can't. And I'd love for him to try.

"In fact, I'd love for him to succeed. Let him go for 40 in game 1. Let him hit a couple of miracle 3s to win game 2, like he did against Detroit. That way he shoots his team out of the rest of the series and the Celtics win."

Unless, of course, he doesn't. If he actually develops the patience and prudence you see in the *true* all-time top-ten greats, and in guys like Duncan and Pierce, where it seems like every shot is a good shot and the best one they could have gotten that possession, the Lakers will win the series. Almost guaranteed. And probably every series after that unless someone gets injured. But you will see fewer threads like this. Because the type of play that results in people on ESPN and ISH going crazy about how epic that performance was, does not correspond with winning basketball. You can have your threads, I don't need to hate. I'm comfortable watching Kobe losing to an inferior team because he was too impatient to forego this type of praise for a higher type of play.

Seriously. That might be the best post ever. I have been saying all week on here that people are confusing the "spectacular" with "great". There is a huge difference and all these "prisoner of the moment" threads are out of control.

I've been asking it time and time again....someone try to prove that Kobe is better than Wade....please try.....because I haven't seen anyone do it....and I will be more than willing to explain why Wade is better than Kobe.

[Amil23]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/620749/kobe-insane-shot-over-hill-o.gif
not that hard,hill was on his left arm,kobe is right handed......

[The Magic Man]

Seriously. That might be the best post ever. I have been saying all week on here that people are confusing the "spectacular" with "great". There is a huge difference and all these "prisoner of the moment" threads are out of control.

I've been asking it time and time again....someone try to prove that Kobe is better than Wade....please try.....because I haven't seen anyone do it....and I will be more than willing to explain why Wade is better than Kobe.

You're an idiot. Why in the hell would people need to give you reasons why a definate HOFer with 4 rings, a league MVP, Finals MVP, and countless broken records is better than Wade? Wade hasn't even scratched the surface of what Kobe has done. If Wade's career ended today he wouldn't even be considered for the HOF. This is what's wrong with this board. If you don't like Kobe, fine. But now you guys are just being stupid. Lebron is no where near this guy, Wade is no where near, and please stop it with the Durant sh*t. All these guys can claim is that they are better athletes. That's all. If you combined all those guys skills, I'm still taking Kobe at the end of the game. MJ is better? Indeed. After that, I'm not gonna say there aren't players better than Kobe, but it's not "without a shadow of doubt" like some of you fools claim.

Is Hakeem that much better than Kobe? How? Does he have more accolades? Is his skillset superior? Or is it that Hakeem was never acussed of rape? This site gets more crazy by the day. Magic is my man! Favorite player ever. Goty me into basketball. Who's better? Kobe has more skill, but Magic played the game better. Simple. Why can't you guys judge every player this way?

[Bassman500]

He's out of this world for sure.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Amazing performance. Simply astounding. Kobe is one of the reasons why the commercials can say "Where Amazing Happens." You see it on pick-up games all the times. People get hot, and no matter what kind of defense you play, a hot shooter will keep knocking it down. The difference is Kobe does this in the pro's and has done it enough times to already be a NBA legend.

Appreciate it while you can people.