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laronprofit9

05-30-2010, 05:11 AM

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Kobe's Greatest Playoff Hits

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After clinching Game 6 of the 2010 WCF against the Phoenix Suns, Kobe has built himself an impressive list of great NBA Playoff Series throughout his career(see below).

Although career averages may say otherwise to a few people, Kobe Bryant has made himself into one of the best NBA Playoff performers of his generation. Historically, Kobe(at the end of 2010 WCF) has given himself 75 30+ point performances in his playoff career with only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Michael Jordan in front of him. Kobe ranks #4 All-Time in Career Playoff Point Totals.

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#8 Kobe Bryant's Playoff Career

In his early career, almost all NBA fans remember the #8 Kobe Bryant. Young, Athletic, Cocky, and Talented. As one of the NBA's brightest stars, Kobe was great during the regular season, but he was just a sidekick to Shaq having one of the greatest peaks ever in NBA history. #8 Kobe Bryant was spectacular during the regular season(and Yes, he did have many clutch and memorable moments during the playoffs), but was inconsistent during the playoffs at times. Kobe's only truly consistent playoff run with Shaq, was during the 2001 Playoffs where Kobe averaged 29/7/6.

Although many people will disagree with me, Shaq was clearly #1 on the early 2000's Lakers teams. While still being a superstar and one of the best perimeter players in the league at the time, Kobe was still #2, arguably the greatest #2 option in NBA History.

Kobe didn't have the numbers, consistency, or leadership to be able to guide his team through the playoffs like Shaq. Who could blame him though? He was only 21-23 years old at the time.

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Post-Shaq and #24 Kobe Bryant's Playoff Career

Now Post-Shaq Era. Kobe Bryant has a new team and a new number #24. #24 Kobe Bryant has had great statistical averages starting from the 2006 playoffs onwards. The series against the 2010 PHX Suns, proves to me why #24>#8 during the playoffs. Better numbers, and better leadership. Post-Shaq, Kobe Bryant(In My Opinion) has been the best player in the Playoffs. Combining Statistics, Leadership, and Clutch play, no player has been better than post-Shaq Era Kobe Bryant.

At the age of 31, Kobe Bryant has posted arguably the greatest playoff series of his already accomplished career. Averaging 34/7/8 on 52%fg shooting. Many point to 2001 WCF as Kobe's best, but imo 2010 WCF Kobe was even better since Kobe has a higher role and responsibility to his team than his younger 22 year old counterpart. When we look back at Kobe's career, I belive more people will remember his career as #24 rather than #8 due to his higher degree of playoff success individually. Because that's where legends are made.

After the 2010 WCF, I can confidently say Kobe has made himself the best playoff-performer of his generation.

Post-Shaq Era(05-06 Onwards) Kobe Bryant Playoff Averages:
79 Games:
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT/57%TS/51%eFG

Below are Kobe Bryant's Best Playoff series of his career. Which to you, Stands out as the best of his entire career?

2001 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Sacramento Kings

35.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 4.3 apg 47%fg 20%3P 86%FT

2001 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs

33.3 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.0 apg 51%fg 36%3P 77%FT

2003 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Minnesota Timberwolves

31.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 6.7 apg 43%fg 36%3P 87%FT

2008 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets

33.5 ppg 5.3 rpg 6.3 apg 50%fg 33%3P 74%FT

2008 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz

33.2 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.2 apg 49%fg 21%3P 83%FT

2008 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs

29.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.8 apg 53%fg 33%3P 91%FT

2009 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets

34.0 ppg 5.8 rpg 5.8 apg 48%fg 34%3P 93%FT

2009 NBA Finals Kobe Bryant vs Orlando Magic

32.4 ppg 5.6 rpg 7.4 apg 43%fg 36%3P 84%FT

2010 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz

32.0 ppg 3.8 rpg 5.8 apg 52%fg 25%3P 87%FT

2010 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Phoenix Suns

33.7ppg 7.2 rpg 8.3 apg 52%fg 43%3P 88%FT

Note: You may also choose another series that is not mentioned above.

RazorBaLade

05-30-2010, 05:29 AM

it has to be vs phx because frankly how he managed to do that on an abysmal amount of free throws is mind blowing.

laronprofit9

05-30-2010, 05:29 AM

2010 vs PHX Suns is my answer btw.

amfirst

05-30-2010, 10:26 AM

I thought last year against the SPurs he did really well.

Yea, but this year against the Suns may be more important because they bigs didn't come out to play and he had to carry them down the stretch.

OnceInADECADE

05-30-2010, 10:30 AM

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

PurpleChuck

05-30-2010, 12:25 PM

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

Wade/Kobe>Lebron

They don't choke.

Derka

05-30-2010, 12:30 PM

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

lol, people like you really should be banned if this is all you can come up with.

Anyway, Kobe in this Phoenix series was unreal.

t-rex

05-30-2010, 12:49 PM

2010 WCF vs Suns.

KB2009Champ

05-30-2010, 12:50 PM

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

this thread isnt about kobe vs lebron.

824

05-30-2010, 12:56 PM

He was ridiculously good this series, it's up there as one of his best ever if not best, those stats are insane

Indian guy

05-30-2010, 01:02 PM

Disaprine

05-30-2010, 01:02 PM

the man is amazing. :applause:

32jazz

05-30-2010, 03:13 PM

Of those series mentioned above I would have to go with 2001 WCF against the Spurs.

If fans can remember the duo of Duncan & Robinson always did a pretty good job on Shaq & if not for Kobe in some of those series the Lakers would have struggled.

If there was a playoff MVP Kobe could have laid cliam to it for what he did to the Spurs especially in the WCF.

Of those mentioned 2001 Spurs.

Younggrease

05-30-2010, 03:14 PM

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

We'll how much different his numbers look when he isnt LeIso'ing all game and is put in a real offense.

Of those series mentioned above I would have to go with 2001 WCF against the Spurs.

If fans can remember the duo of Duncan & Robinson always did a pretty good job on Shaq & if not for Kobe in some of those series the Lakers would have struggled.

If there was a playoff MVP Kobe could have laid cliam to it for what he did to the Spurs especially in the WCF.

Of those mentioned 2001 Spurs.

I agree with this

magnax1

05-30-2010, 03:34 PM

07 vs. suns (or was it 06?) when he took them to 7 games was easily the best to me.

laronprofit9

05-31-2010, 03:56 AM

2008 WCF against Spurs was amazingly efficient for Kobe. Despite Low volume stats.

I think he only got to the free throw line a total of 11 times spread across 5 games.

Fatal9

05-31-2010, 04:06 AM

In 2002 he posted nice stats vs. Spurs but was a maniac in the clutch. Had a fourth quarter where he outscored the Spurs, then next game hit the game winner and then next game had a huge second half. That series was easily going 7 games if he didn't completely snatch away those games in the fourth quarters.

laronprofit9

10-20-2010, 10:57 PM

bump

Willkill24

10-20-2010, 10:58 PM

04 Finals.

Jacks3

10-20-2010, 11:03 PM

2002 Finals

26.8/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51%/55%/81%/62.3% TS :eek:

TryToBeUnbias

10-20-2010, 11:24 PM

Samurai Swoosh

10-20-2010, 11:25 PM

2010 vs PHX Suns is my answer btw.
IMO, too

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 12:26 AM

Hard to say Indian man and fatal both make points that i agree with .. Id also rank the 10 sun with those two series, his shooting was beyond phenomenal and they way he clinched the series with those 2 ridiculously difficult shots had people dumbfounded.

The Spurs series in '08 is definitely in his top 3. He took it to the defending champs, and beat them as far and away the best player in that series.

He shot 53% the entire series against one of the best defensive teams of the decade just coming off a championship the previous year.

His volume stats are lower than the other playoff series of his career. It is attributed to the fact Kobe only had 11 FTA the entire series, which comes out to just over 2 FTA per game. That is really low for a superstar. Pace might also have to due with it as well.

opps

10-21-2010, 12:40 AM

But...but... Kobe chokes in the playoffs :lol

KG5MVP

10-21-2010, 12:44 AM

Someone post Jordan's greatest playoff series.

And has anyone noticed that Kobe greatest playoff series have none in the finals? While most of MJ's best series and games are from the finals.

tpols

10-21-2010, 12:46 AM

Someone post Jordan's greatest playoff series.

And has anyone noticed that Kobe greatest playoff series have none in the finals? While most of MJ's best series and games are from the finals.
:facepalm don't ruin a good thread retard.

sagr32

10-21-2010, 12:49 AM

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 12:52 AM

KG5MVP

10-21-2010, 01:09 AM

Fail

2009 NBA Finals Kobe Bryant vs Orlando Magic

32.4 ppg 5.6 rpg 7.4 apg 43%fg 36%3P 84%FT

you call 43%FG good?

Michael Jordan 1991 finals:
31.2 ppg 6.6 rpg 11.4 apg 55.8%FG 50%3P

Michael Jordan 1992 finals:
35.8 ppg 4.8 rpg 6.5 apg 52.6%FG 42.9%3P

Michael Jordan 1993 finals:
41ppg, 8.5rpg 6.3apg 50.8%FG 40%3P

LOL and people say Michael Jordan is a bad three point shooter, he saved the best for the last

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 01:20 AM

you call 43%FG good?

Michael Jordan 1991 finals:
31.2 ppg 6.6 rpg 11.4 apg 55.8%FG 50%3P

Michael Jordan 1992 finals:
35.8 ppg 4.8 rpg 6.5 apg 52.6%FG 42.9%3P

Michael Jordan 1993 finals:
41ppg, 8.5rpg 6.3apg 50.8%FG 40%3P

LOL and people say Michael Jordan is a bad three point shooter, he saved the best for the last

:applause: Yes Michael Jordan is the greatest Finals Performer of All-Time, and Greatest Playoff performer of All-Time, and Greatest Player of All-Time.

But this thread isn't about Jordan.

KG5MVP

10-21-2010, 01:22 AM

:applause: Yes Michael Jordan is the greatest Finals Performer of All-Time, and Greatest Playoff performer of All-Time, and Greatest Player of All-Time.

But this thread isn't about Jordan.

Thank you for acknowledging that.

Now let's go back to Kobe :applause: :applause:

sagr32

10-21-2010, 01:22 AM

you call 43%FG good?

Michael Jordan 1991 finals:
31.2 ppg 6.6 rpg 11.4 apg 55.8%FG 50%3P

Michael Jordan 1992 finals:
35.8 ppg 4.8 rpg 6.5 apg 52.6%FG 42.9%3P

Michael Jordan 1993 finals:
41ppg, 8.5rpg 6.3apg 50.8%FG 40%3P

LOL and people say Michael Jordan is a bad three point shooter, he saved the best for the last

What Are you bringing up Jordan For. Obviously any body is going to pale in comparison to Jordan. That is the only way you can bring Kobe down to compare him to the GOAT. If you are saying his 2009 finals isn't a great series then you are retarded.

catch24

10-21-2010, 01:25 AM

Thank you for acknowledging that.

And you wonder why you have 2 red bars? With posts like these you must be looking for more of 'em. I got you though, dont trippppp.

branslowski

10-21-2010, 01:28 AM

Thank you for acknowledging that.

Now let's go back to Kobe :applause: :applause:

Why do you like being known as a clown idiot?

It must be funny to you...And gives your life completeness.

If you like trolling this forum for fun...Power to you...But it aint a good look.

Yao Ming's Foot

10-21-2010, 04:35 AM

you call 43%FG good?

Michael Jordan 1991 finals:
31.2 ppg 6.6 rpg 11.4 apg 55.8%FG 50%3P

Michael Jordan 1992 finals:
35.8 ppg 4.8 rpg 6.5 apg 52.6%FG 42.9%3P

Michael Jordan 1993 finals:
41ppg, 8.5rpg 6.3apg 50.8%FG 40%3P

LOL and people say Michael Jordan is a bad three point shooter, he saved the best for the last

Four defensive ratings

104.2
105.0
106.7
101.9

Take a wild guess which one is the team Kobe faced

In fact, how many playoff teams did Jordan face that came even close to matching the defensive efficiency of the early 2000s Spurs, the 2004 Pistons or 2008 Celtics?

Jordan should have better efficiency numbers. He consistently faced weaker defensive teams.

KobeKlutch

10-21-2010, 05:48 AM

Four defensive ratings

104.2
105.0
106.7
101.9

Take a wild guess which one is the team Kobe faced

In fact, how many playoff teams did Jordan face that came even close to matching the defensive efficiency of the early 2000s Spurs, the 2004 Pistons or 2008 Celtics?

Jordan should have better efficiency numbers. He consistently faced weaker defensive teams.

this.

not trying to take awayy anything from MJ but he played in a weak era. MJ would probably put up the same numbers as Kobe if he played in today's era.

Night in and night out Kobe has to face very athletic guards and stars...where MJ had to face a couple. It takes a toll on you when you play against great defenders and defenses night in and night out.

After a tough game, I want to be playing against a scrub the next night or game.

BlueandGold

10-21-2010, 05:58 AM

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

lol you are lebanned

evilmonkey

10-21-2010, 06:13 AM

2010 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Phoenix Suns

33.7ppg 7.2 rpg 8.3 apg 52%fg 43%3P 88%FT

This one pretty much stands out to me, at least statistically.... major numbers. I watched that series ofcourse, Kobe really enjoyed playing that high pace run n gun Suns as Lakers beat them at their own game... lots of possessions and high scoring by both teams, except Lakers played defense... :P

ImmortalD24

10-21-2010, 07:11 AM

Out of the millions of pics, you had to choose the sleeve *lose in the finals to boston* season and frobe. :facepalm

Might as well add these for good measure:

http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/e/e/9/0/10.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/23icug4.jpg

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 11:02 AM

The 2010 Suns were the best team in the NBA and best defensive team after the All-star game.

Lakerlove420

10-21-2010, 11:21 AM

lol you are lebanned

this is the coolest thing you have ever said:applause:

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 11:33 AM

t
not trying to take awayy anything from MJ but he played in a weak era. MJ would probably put up the same numbers as Kobe if he played in today's era.

LMAO @ these ****ing stans with their sub-50 post counts always crawling out of the woodwork making absurd statements like this. :oldlol:

Jordan would SHIT ON Kobe's production "today." Drop 25-30 year old Jordan in the '06-'10 NBA and he'd make it his *****. He was a clearly superior player to Kobe freaking Bryant. Get real. Trolls like you are why people hate and can't just appreciate Kobe for the tremendous player he is.

Batz

10-21-2010, 11:34 AM

Big#50

10-21-2010, 11:34 AM

this.

not trying to take awayy anything from MJ but he played in a weak era. MJ would probably put up the same numbers as Kobe if he played in today's era.

Night in and night out Kobe has to face very athletic guards and stars...where MJ had to face a couple. It takes a toll on you when you play against great defenders and defenses night in and night out.

After a tough game, I want to be playing against a scrub the next night or game.
It all evens out. Defenders can't breathe on players anymore.

Batz

10-21-2010, 11:38 AM

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 11:40 AM

Here come the the Jordan whores, trying to **** the whole thread up, just cause 1 persons opinion doesn't match their own.

Yao Ming's Foot

10-21-2010, 11:41 AM

Interesting first post Mr. Foot... Tell me, what keyboard do you happen to use?

:wtf:

branslowski

10-21-2010, 11:44 AM

LMAO @ these ****ing stans with their sub-50 post counts always crawling out of the woodwork making absurd statements like this. :oldlol:

Jordan would SHIT ON Kobe's production "today." Drop 25-30 year old Jordan in the '06-'10 NBA and he'd make it his *****. He was a clearly superior player to Kobe freaking Bryant. Get real. Trolls like you are why people hate and can't just appreciate Kobe for the tremendous player he is.

Yet you quote him and give him attention?...Not because you had to...But because you wanted too.:confusedshrug:

Sometimes (as crazy as it seems, and not sayin you) there's actually actual Jordan Hanes Wearers who create Kobe accounts, troll the forum in hopes of reactions like yours...We had a well known Wilt Fan make a "BlackMamba24" account (ask Round ball, we cracked dudes secret) just to gain hate on Bryant.

There's only a handful of Kobe fans who thinks "Kobe>>MJ" on this forum...And 100% of the time, they are trolls...And again, most of the time, the only reason MJ homers respond to them is to have an excuse to bash Kobe or flaunt played out copy and paste Jordan stats..

End Rant.

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 11:57 AM

SinJackal

10-21-2010, 12:01 PM

The quality of the opposition's defense should be taken into account here. So I'll go with the '08 WCF vs. SA. That's excellent efficiency against a VERY good defensive team and from what I recall, majority of the games came down to the wire and Kobe came up big every time. I also don't remember his cast doing a whole lot in that series.

'08 Spurs weren't 100% though. Both of Ginobili's ankles were injured. One was nearly trashed and the other was sprained. + Bowen was aging and not the same as he used to be.

Kobe did do well, but I didn't consider SA to have much of a chance to even get to the WCF with half a Ginobili and an aging Bowen. They weren't as good defensively in the playoffs as they were in the season due to those injuries. To Manu specifically.

****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.

If you didn't invade every Jordan thread trolling about Kobe, perhaps the reverse wouldn't happen as much.

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 12:01 PM

****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.

Because it's a completely baseless opinion. Honestly, guys like Dr. J and Moses Malone have better arguments over Kobe than Kobe has over Jordan. And I can guarantee you that if someone went around saying Moses >= Kobe or Dr. J >= Kobe, not a single Kobe fan would keep their mouth shut.

They're not saying KAJ > MJ or Wilt > MJ (which I seldom take issue with)...they're talking about a guy who is CLEARLY inferior in EVERY way.

tpols

10-21-2010, 12:07 PM

Because it's a completely baseless opinion. Honestly, guys like Dr. J and Moses Malone have better arguments over Kobe than Kobe has over Jordan. And I can guarantee you that if someone went around saying Moses >= Kobe or Dr. J >= Kobe, not a single Kobe fan would keep their mouth shut.

They're not saying KAJ > MJ or Wilt > MJ (which I seldom take issue with)...they're talking about a guy who is CLEARLY inferior in EVERY way.
Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).

necya

10-21-2010, 12:11 PM

SinJackal

10-21-2010, 12:13 PM

Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).

Enough of the "scoring ceiling" bullshit. He had one game with more points than MJ's gotten in a game. That doesn't mean he has a better "scoring ceiling", it just means he stat stuffed enough in a game to score 81 points. Nearly 20 points in the last 5 minutes of a game against a bad team when you're already leading by a dozen points is stat stuffing, without debate. Especially when you end up winning in a blowout.

Do you really need to fabricate dumb ideas like "scoring ceiling" to argue with people over a clearly dead subject that isn't even debatable anymore?

Calabis

10-21-2010, 12:14 PM

2010 Suns series, is the best I have seen him play imo

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 12:14 PM

****ing idiots want the whole world to suck Jordans dick. God damn, let the mother****er think Kobe is the best, that's his own opinion. Jordan will be the best to most of us just don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone doesn't consider him the best. I just don't understand why these dudes get so bothered.

Jordan fans are really pathetic. All of them live in the past and talk about how great basketball used to be and how the league is so terrible now. Funny that they dislike the NBA now yet they STILL watch it! They just see things through their nostalgia glasses and don't have a grip on reality.

Jordan fans are the equivalent of the ''back in my day we had to walk to school uphill both ways in 30 feet of snow barefoot'' dudes that always talk about the ''good old days'' and constantly complain about today's society. :lol

MJ retired 9 years ago and hasn't played a meaningful game in 13 years, let him go and stop living in the past.

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 12:15 PM

Because it's a completely baseless opinion. Honestly, guys like Dr. J and Moses Malone have better arguments over Kobe than Kobe has over Jordan. And I can guarantee you that if someone went around saying Moses >= Kobe or Dr. J >= Kobe, not a single Kobe fan would keep their mouth shut.

They're not saying KAJ > MJ or Wilt > MJ (which I seldom take issue with)...they're talking about a guy who is CLEARLY inferior in EVERY way.

It is baseless. I just don't see how it can bother u so much when you clearly know that the whole world recognizes MJ as GOAT. IMO this has something to do more with the way you feel about Kobe.

Personally Kobe is my favorite player of All-time but I know who's GOAT(MJ). And in my opinion Kobe is a better scorer than MJ, but that doesn't mean he's an overall better player. And I also think that MJ benefited from the Era he played in. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 12:16 PM

Kobe is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan, though he IS a better scorer when both are at their absolute PEAK (which happens like once a year for Kobe, so it's really irrelevant).

tpols

10-21-2010, 12:18 PM

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 12:21 PM

Kobe is nowhere near a better scorer than Jordan, though he IS a better scorer when both are at their absolute PEAK (which happens like once a year for Kobe, so it's really irrelevant).

I can't even get mad at that. specially when MJ was the smarter scorer, dude just wanted the most effient shots, that's why he attacked the basket and became a low post thread. I see Kobe as wanting to be the best offensive player to ever play, He truly has no weaknesses on the offensive end.

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 12:21 PM

Alright there you go. You're previous statement was admitted false. We're all wrong sometimes.

I'm not following you. Being a better scorer for the 1-2 games each year when you're blazing hot does not equal being the better scorer in general. A team would have to be bonkers to take Kobe over MJ if all they needed was a 30+ ppg scorer (i.e., excluding all other aspects of the game).

necya

10-21-2010, 12:26 PM

Below are Kobe Bryant's Best Playoff series of his career. Which to you, Stands out as the best of his entire career?[/B]

2001 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Sacramento Kings

35.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 4.3 apg 47%fg 20%3P 86%FT

2001 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs

33.3 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.0 apg 51%fg 36%3P 77%FT

2003 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Minnesota Timberwolves

31.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 6.7 apg 43%fg 36%3P 87%FT

2008 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets

33.5 ppg 5.3 rpg 6.3 apg 50%fg 33%3P 74%FT

2008 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz

33.2 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.2 apg 49%fg 21%3P 83%FT

2008 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs

29.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.8 apg 53%fg 33%3P 91%FT

2009 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets

34.0 ppg 5.8 rpg 5.8 apg 48%fg 34%3P 93%FT

2009 NBA Finals Kobe Bryant vs Orlando Magic

32.4 ppg 5.6 rpg 7.4 apg 43%fg 36%3P 84%FT

2010 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz

32.0 ppg 3.8 rpg 5.8 apg 52%fg 25%3P 87%FT

2010 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Phoenix Suns

33.7ppg 7.2 rpg 8.3 apg 52%fg 43%3P 88%FT

you just enumerate his playoffs statistics....
but his best series are 2001 series vs Kings & Spurs, 2002 vs Spurs, 2008 vs Spurs, 2009 vs Jazz, 2010 vs Jazz & Suns. the rest has nothing to do with great performances.
but the greatest perf to me are those against tough teams and with that i have to keep the 2001 WCF series and 2002 WCSF series above the others.

now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 12:26 PM

This thread just went to shits, just because KG5MVP's dummbass felt the need to deminish Kobe's accomplishments

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 12:29 PM

now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...

good for you

00/01 Playoffs

29.4 ppg 7.3 rpg 6.1 apg 1.6 spg 47fg% 32%3P 82%FT

01/02 Playoffs

26.6 ppg 5.8 rpg 4.6 apg 1.4 spg 43fg% 37%3P 76%FT

02/03 Playoffs

32.1 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg 1.2 spg 43fg% 40%3P 82%FT

05/06 Playoffs

27.9 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 1.1 spg 50fg% 40%3P 77%FT

06/07 Playoffs

32.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.4 apg 1.0 spg 46fg% 36%3P 91%FT

07/08 Playoffs

30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 1.7 spg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT

08/09 Playoffs

30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 1.6 spg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT

09/10 Playoffs

29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 1.4spg 46 fg% 37%3P 84%FT

Calabis

10-21-2010, 12:51 PM

Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).

A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:

30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls

Kobe better 3 ball(slim margin)
Jordan better Mid Range game(slim margin)
Jordan better post game(huge margin)

tpols

10-21-2010, 12:54 PM

Calabis

10-21-2010, 12:57 PM

How is a career average a ceiling? Are you stupid?

According to you he has a higher scoring ceiling(which means Kobe is capable of scoring more and putting out more high point games).....yet this ceiling has produced less points and a worse FG%...are you stupid???

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 01:01 PM

A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:

30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls

Kobe better 3 ball(big)
Jordan better Mid Range game(equal)
Jordan better post game(equal)
Jordan better at attacking(big)

Fixed

BTW are you serious going to compare a 17 yr old kid with a 21 yr Jordan? really? do you really think that's a fair comparison?

Also 50%FG to 46%FG is not that big a difference.

Calabis

10-21-2010, 01:07 PM

Fixed

BTW are you serious going to compare a 17 yr old kid with a 21 yr Jordan? really? do you really think that's a fair comparison?

Also 50%FG to 46%FG is not that big a difference.

Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg

your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard

Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 01:15 PM

Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg

your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard

Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)

Nope, Kobe shot alot less then MJ I think it's 19 to 23 by MJ . And if Kobe hit 50% he would average 27 that's only 2 more points(1 shot) where did you give him 5 more points?

Kobe's post game is phenomemal, You saw Jordan do it more often because he had no inside precence, like Kobe has had with Shaq, Gasol & Bynum. Just because Jordan scored more from the post does not mean he was better at doing it.

tpols

10-21-2010, 01:16 PM

Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg

your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard

Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)
No... the difference between 50% and 46% is actually less than one shot per game. If jordan goes 15/30 kobe goes 14/30. They actually take and make way less shots than this per game(kobe avg 19fga and jordan 23fga) meaning the difference is even less. Funny how you say 3-5 points though when you're completely talking out of your ass. Kobe's better freethrow shooting and 3pt shooting boost his points per possession even higher making the difference on a game to game basis even more negligible.

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 01:21 PM

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 01:26 PM

Calabis

10-21-2010, 01:26 PM

I just don't understand you guys, it seems to me you have not played basketball. I don't know anyone can sit here and not understand the physical toll on Jordan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-z4gubTTE&feature=sub) compared to Kobe. Jordan was getting beat down on a nightly basis(this makes it harder period), yet he maintained a high performance level on both sides of the court. Kobe doesn't take no where near the physical punishment that Jordan did, so he should have more energy to exert on the offensive end. Jordan would be better in today's league(Wade on Steroids), without question.

When Kobe is hot, there is no question he is on par with MJ and may exceed him some nights, but due to the fact that he is less efficient and consistent than MJ on a nightly basis, is why he not a better player....., its not a matter of skill that separate them, its a matter that Jordan was the better player night in and night out, than Kobe will ever be.

Kobe is the closest we will ever see to MJ, and from a overrall skill standpoint, he may be the best ever, but unless there is some kid who has model MJ/Kobe's game and added consistency/efficiency...MJ will always be GOAT and Kobe will be the 2nd best two guard ever....

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 01:26 PM

STFU you moronic Jordan dick-rider. Pathetic losers.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 01:27 PM

juju151111

10-21-2010, 01:27 PM

Jordan is the most hyped, overrated player in North American sports history.

The whole image of Jordan is a media fabrication and the GOAT talk is non-sense.
You can't be overhype when u lived up to it.

Calabis

10-21-2010, 01:27 PM

tpols

10-21-2010, 01:27 PM

lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.
You just said jordan is better than kobe at everything and you're going to call out other people as stans? Look in the mirror buddy. Jordan and kobe both MASTERED the post game. Jordan was a beast in the post. So is/was kobe. What makes you think jordan was better at it? Both of them have impeccable footwork, great fakes, great fadeaways, and know how to establish position. Why is it that jordan is better? Oh thats right. He's better simply because his name is Michael Jordan.:facepalm

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 01:28 PM

PowerGlove

10-21-2010, 01:29 PM

STFU you moronic Jordan dick-rider. Pathetic losers.
:roll:

When you get banned, that's not a free pass to make another account.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 01:29 PM

Kobe's series vs the Suns=Greatest shooting exhibition in history. :applause:

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 01:29 PM

:roll:

When you get banned, that's not a free pass to make another account.
wut

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 01:30 PM

lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.
Nobody said that Kobe was better than MJ from the post. I just don't think theirs a huge difference if any to believe that Jordan was a superior post player than Kobe. MJ was stronger but the skills are still there to be judged, & Kobe has not shown that he sucks from the post on the contrary he's shown that he's top 3 in the league when it comes to post players. I don;t think that's overrating

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 01:34 PM

Why is it that jordan is better? Oh thats right. He's better simply because his name is Michael Jordan.:facepalm
That's the biggest NBA cliche

NO but seriously, Has Kobe shown any sign of weakness in the post that makes you believe that Jordan is superior than him, cause I wanna see it.

I Wanna Refresh some of you guys memory before you start calling me a Kobe homer, or that I'm overhyping Kobe by downgrading MJ JORDAN IS THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME AND KOBE AT THIS POINT CAN"T DO NOTHING TO CHANGE THAT

Calabis

10-21-2010, 01:38 PM

Nope, Kobe shot alot less then MJ I think it's 19 to 23 by MJ . And if Kobe hit 50% he would average 27 that's only 2 more points(1 shot) where did you give him 5 more points?

Kobe's post game is phenomemal, You saw Jordan do it more often because he had no inside precence, like Kobe has had with Shaq, Gasol & Bynum. Just because Jordan scored more from the post does not mean he was better at doing it.

Of course he has less shot attempts per game, because he has far less games of hitting half his shots...his not capable of hitting 50% of his shots, his shot selection(bad at times) won't allow it.....you guys are killing me :oldlol:

Kobe needs to shoot more to score like MJ

What's saying those shots are not 3's or And 1's...I went to the max number

perfect example imo there 35 point seasons

Jordan 1998 FGA, 10.5 FT pg, 35 ppg 2868 pts 54%
Kobe 2173 FGA, 10.2 FT pg, 35 ppg 2832 pts 45%

So now Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.....wow, you guys are killing me, anything Kobe does is the best ever...its becoming comical...I expect better from you, because I know your brighter than this...so I'm guessing you are just trying to debate/argue.....

tpols

10-21-2010, 01:43 PM

Of course he has less shot attempts per game, because he has far less games of hitting half his shots...his not capable of hitting 50% of his shots, his shot selection(bad at times) won't allow it.....you guys are killing me :oldlol:

Kobe needs to shoot more to score like MJ

What's saying those shots are not 3's or And 1's...I went to the max number

perfect example imo there 35 point seasons

Jordan 1998 FGA, 10.5 FT pg, 35 ppg 2868 pts 54%
Kobe 2173 FGA, 10.2 FT pg, 35 ppg 2832 pts 45%

So now Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.....wow, you guys are killing me, anything Kobe does is the best ever...its becoming comical...I expect better from you, because I know your brighter than this...so I'm guessing you are just trying to debate/argue.....
While jordan was more efficient, the league average for shooting was shown to be higher when jordan played in the 80s. We've already admitted jordan was a better overall scorer than kobe.

What I would really like to know is how jordan's post game was superior to kobe's. How? They both PERFECTED the skills necessary to be successful in the post. Is Michael better because he mastered it first? Or is it because of his name? What's the reason? You've never given one. Just smilies and idiotic statements of exxageration.

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 01:47 PM

Of course he has less shot attempts per game, because he has far less games of hitting half his shots...his not capable of hitting 50% of his shots, his shot selection(bad at times) won't allow it.....you guys are killing me :oldlol:

Kobe needs to shoot more to score like MJ

What's saying those shots are not 3's or And 1's...I went to the max number

perfect example imo there 35 point seasons

Jordan 1998 FGA, 10.5 FT pg, 35 ppg 2868 pts 54%
Kobe 2173 FGA, 10.2 FT pg, 35 ppg 2832 pts 45%

So now Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.....wow, you guys are killing me, anything Kobe does is the best ever...its becoming comical...I expect better from you, because I know your brighter than this...so I'm guessing you are just trying to debate/argue.....

:facepalm

Yes, Jordan is more consistant, You are still not disproving the fact that 4% is only 1 shot more when scoring 19-23 FG attemps. And how is Kobe's post game weaker than Jordans? what is Kobe missing that Jordan had in the post?

And now your pulling the "theyr'e stupid they're so hillarious, comical" card. Just show me how Kobe post game does not compare to Jordan's and you can shut me up . Don't bail out by insulting us, as if it's going to make your case stronger.

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 01:47 PM

Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).

79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 01:49 PM

Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).

79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 01:56 PM

Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).

79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT

What's his TS%?

necya

10-21-2010, 02:04 PM

Here are Kobe's Playoff Numbers Without Shaq. (Since 05-06 onwards).

79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT

so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!

it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 02:05 PM

What's he's TS%?

57 TS%

Formula:
2358/ (2*(1779 + 0.44 * 659))

51 eFG%

79 Games
29.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.4 apg 1.5 spg 0.7 bpg 3.3 tov
47%FG/35%3p/84%FT/57%TS/51%eFG

tpols

10-21-2010, 02:09 PM

so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!

it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.
Why is this guy trolling? You can't even type in proper english and your posts are mostly just incoherent babbling about how kobe sucks. Did you not read the statline? Inferior competition is your argument now? :oldlol: God, so many retards, so little time.

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 02:13 PM

so i repeat, the subject was Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series...
and people continue to post statistics...why you don't put the stats in the last 3 finals please? he performed very well against nuggets, jazz or suns but those teams are not known for their defense or incredible level of play. pick the best teams he faced...oh he reached the 50% only 1 time on his last 18 finals game. oops!

it's easy to use the stats shit as you want. but when you watch games, you see that he had nothing of an all-time great level of play in the finals.

DAmn you are on a mission?

BTW, What team do you root for? seems like youre more conserened with Kobe's Finals performances than with your own team tryin to even get to a Finals game.

macpierce

10-21-2010, 02:13 PM

I thought we were talking about kobe's best playoff performances............................wtf happened here :facepalm

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 02:13 PM

Willkill24

10-21-2010, 02:15 PM

:facepalm wtf

Big#50

10-21-2010, 02:16 PM

Jordan is the most hyped, overrated player in North American sports history.

The whole image of Jordan is a media fabrication and the GOAT talk is non-sense.
Yup. He totally is the media's biggest hype job ever. 6 rings in 6 finals. Would have been 8 rings in a row if he did not gamble so much. Totally did not live up to the hype.
YOU got it wrong. KOBE is the biggest media hype/fraud. The media needed a Michael Jordan. They shoved Kobe down our throats, but only the morons fell for it. Kobe is not even the best player of his era.

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 02:21 PM

Yup. He totally is the media's biggest hype job ever. Would have been 8 rings in a row if he did not gamble so much. .

You just proved his point

necya

10-21-2010, 02:22 PM

Why is this guy trolling? You can't even type in proper english and your posts are mostly just incoherent babbling about how kobe sucks. Did you not read the statline? Inferior competition is your argument now? :oldlol: God, so many retards, so little time.

the 19yo teen...
hey how are you since the last time you have been demolished?
the thing who is cool with you, is that the shame don't bother you at all...

come on, is there a scorer who has his worst night against the jazz or the nuggets?
and i have already put my opinion about his best series. and the best where in 2001-02 cause he faced a really good spurs team. do you remember? oh, you were like 10 years old...
Jordan's fans are not trolling all day to repeat that he ripped the sixers in 90 with 39, 45, 49, 45 and 37pts...you see?

and please don't quote me anymore cause i don't think we talk about the same basketball kid.

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 02:26 PM

Yup. He totally is the media's biggest hype job ever.

He is. The media overrated him beyond belief.

6 rings in 6 finals.

6 rings is far from the record and what's your point about ''in 6 Finals'' losing in the playoffs or not making the playoffs is better than making it to the Finals and losing? This is the same crap Spurs fans use when you compare him to Shaq. ''Well Shaq lost in 2 Finals, Duncan is 4-0''. :oldlol:

Would have been 8 rings in a row if he did not gamble so much.

Could of, should of, would of. I don't buy into hypothetical non-sense.

Jordan wouldn't have 8 rings in a row because he came back in '95 but choked in the playoffs against Orlando. Even with Jordan back they lost in 1995 so the 8 rings in a row theory is invalid.

YOU got it wrong. JORDAN is the biggest media hype/fraud. They shoved Jordan down our throats, but only the morons fell for it.

SAKOTXA

10-21-2010, 02:29 PM

The quality of the opposition's defense should be taken into account here. So I'll go with the '01 WCF vs. SA. That's excellent efficiency against a VERY good defensive team and from what I recall, majority of the games came down to the wire and Kobe came up big every time. I also don't remember his cast doing a whole lot in that series.
:cheers:

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 02:29 PM

I hate Kobe, he sucks, I despise him!

If you love Jordan so much go start a thread about him.

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 02:30 PM

the 19yo teen...
hey how are you since the last time you have been demolished?
the thing who is cool with you, is that the shame don't bother you at all...

come on, is there a scorer who has his worst night against the jazz or the nuggets?
and i have already put my opinion about his best series. and the best where in 2001-02 cause he faced a really good spurs team. do you remember? oh, you were like 10 years old...
Jordan's fans are not trolling all day to repeat that he ripped the sixers in 90 with 39, 45, 49, 45 and 37pts...you see?

and please don't quote me anymore cause i don't think we talk about the same basketball kid.

What the hell is this guy talking about?

Can anyone decipher his gibberish?

tpols

10-21-2010, 02:31 PM

the 19yo teen...
hey how are you since the last time you have been demolished?
the thing who is cool with you, is that the shame don't bother you at all...

come on, is there a scorer who has his worst night against the jazz or the nuggets?
and i have already put my opinion about his best series. and the best where in 2001-02 cause he faced a really good spurs team. do you remember? oh, you were like 10 years old...
Jordan's fans are not trolling all day to repeat that he ripped the sixers in 90 with 39, 45, 49, 45 and 37pts...you see?

and please don't quote me anymore cause i don't think we talk about the same basketball kid.
'is that the shame dont bother at all; i dont think we talk about same basketball' :blah :blah Godamn man YOU ARE RETARDED!:oldlol: No amount of trolling will ever make you smart. Nuff said.

necya

10-21-2010, 02:31 PM

DAmn you are on a mission?

BTW, What team do you root for? seems like youre more conserened with Kobe's Finals performances than with your own team tryin to even get to a Finals game.

nope, i'm just answering to those kid who just post stats. kobe stans don't know what they are talking about, swallowing espn shit...

and i root for any teams. i follow nba cause it's kind of part of my job and my first passion. i just keep an eye on some players who are imo, very interested.

necya

10-21-2010, 02:35 PM

If you love Jordan so much go start a thread about him.

wow quoting me with things i have never told...

just a question...why are you so immature?

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 02:43 PM

wow quoting me with things i have never told...

just a question...why are you so immature?

just a question.....were are you from?

Big#50

10-21-2010, 02:54 PM

He is. The media overrated him beyond belief.

6 rings is far from the record and what's your point about ''in 6 Finals'' losing in the playoffs or not making the playoffs is better than making it to the Finals and losing? This is the same crap Spurs fans use when you compare him to Shaq. ''Well Shaq lost in 2 Finals, Duncan is 4-0''. :oldlol:

Could of, should of, would of. I don't buy into hypothetical non-sense.

Jordan wouldn't have 8 rings in a row because he came back in '95 but choked in the playoffs against Orlando. Even with Jordan back they lost in 1995 so the 8 rings in a row theory is invalid.

YOU got it wrong. JORDAN is the biggest media hype/fraud. They shoved Jordan down our throats, but only the morons fell for it.
In 95 Jordan only played like 15 reg season games. LOL reaching badly. That season does not count in my book.

TryToBeUnbias

10-21-2010, 03:10 PM

Way to ruin a good thread stans :applause:

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 03:23 PM

In 95 Jordan only played like 15 reg season games. LOL reaching badly. That season does not count in my book.

Of course when Jordan loses it dosen't count. :rolleyes:

Lets just erase 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2001 and 2002 from the history books because its convenient from Jordan.

Jordan still played great against the Knicks (remember the double nickle at Madison Square) and great in the first round vs the Hornets but because he choked against Orlando it dosen't count? :lol

So if the Bulls would have went on to win the championship that year it wouldn't have counted? :oldlol: Of course then it would change for you.

God Jordan has some idiotic fans.

Big#50

10-21-2010, 03:34 PM

Of course when Jordan loses it dosen't count. :rolleyes:

Lets just erase 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2001 and 2002 from the history books because its convenient from Jordan.

Jordan still played great against the Knicks (remember the double nickle at Madison Square) and great in the first round vs the Hornets but because:wtf: he choked against Orlando it dosen't count? :lol

So if the Bulls would have went on to win the championship that year it wouldn't have counted? :oldlol: Of course then it would change for you.

God Jordan has some idiotic fans.
Jordan dropping 55 and playing good in the first round actually only adds to his greatness. After being out of action for about 20 months and he does that. It is ****ing amazing. Still doesn't mean he was 100%. BTW Jordan is not even in my top five favorite players ever. I do have eyes , though.

Samurai Swoosh

10-21-2010, 03:36 PM

lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's.
Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.

KenneBell

10-21-2010, 03:37 PM

Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.
You expect him to admit to Kobe being close to Jordan in anything? Seriously? :roll:

Big#50

10-21-2010, 03:38 PM

Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.
It isn't.

Samurai Swoosh

10-21-2010, 03:40 PM

It isn't.
Yes, it is ... clearly. I wouldn't take it over Jordan's, but its right up there with his.

asdf1990

10-21-2010, 03:42 PM

Jordans best series shits on Kobe's best by a landslide.

TryToBeUnbias

10-21-2010, 03:45 PM

Jordans best series shits on Kobe's best by a landslide.:facepalm once again that absolutely crap to do with what OP was asking

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 03:49 PM

Jordan dropping 55 and playing good in the first round actually only adds to his greatness. After being out of action for about 20 months and he does that. It is ****ing amazing. Still doesn't mean he was 100%. BTW Jordan is not even in my top five favorite players ever. I do have eyes , though.

Typical Jordan Jocker excuse.

Jordan wasn't in shape, and had just come back from retirement. Does this guy ever have a bad play happen against him without some sort of cop-out by the Jordan Jockers? MJ just had an off series, just admit it. He played good in game 2, 3, and 5. Played sub-par in game 4...and played bad in game 1 and didn't play to well in the decisive game 6.

He lost against Orlando in '95 so the ''he would have won 8 rings'' argument is stupid. It had nothing to do with Jordan being ''out of shape''. More to do with having an off series and the loss of Horace Grant. They added Rodman the next year to make up for the loss of Grant and Rodman's rebounding/defense put them over the top and they won a championship. But let me guess the reason they won was because Jordan spent the '95 off season on the treadmill and eating his Wheaties and was in better shape.

asdf1990

10-21-2010, 03:51 PM

:facepalm once again that absolutely crap to do with what OP was asking

U mad cuz Kobe can't be as good as Jordan?

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 03:58 PM

you can judge someone else's character by how they talk about others.

food for thought.

now back to the main topic.

macpierce

10-21-2010, 03:58 PM

you idiots happy about ruining this thread??? :facepalm
your plan succeeded

RUCKER

10-21-2010, 03:59 PM

The game Kobe scored 81 points, that game alone makes it his best playoff series of all time.

catch24

10-21-2010, 03:59 PM

you can judge someone else's character by how they talk about others.

No you can't. Most of them are trolls my dude.

necya

10-21-2010, 04:00 PM

Yes, it is ... clearly. I wouldn't take it over Jordan's, but its right up there with his.

Penny Hardaway's post game is a lot more efficient and diversified than kobe's.
when i think about post game, kobe's name has nothing to do there.
think about work etic, kobe's name is on all mind.

so looking at what it has been said on ISH, kobe's post game is as good as MJ's, he is more clutch, has a better mid range but is not able to reach the 47% in any year of his career...

and you won't even understand why you are pathetic

PS : not against you samurai swoosh ;-)

asdf1990

10-21-2010, 04:01 PM

The game Kobe scored 81 points, that game alone makes it his best playoff series of all time.
Yeah y not since Kobe doesn't really have any
Mind boggling performances in the playoffs.

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 04:02 PM

No you can't. Most of them are trolls my dude.

oh well, lol. was worth a shot.

talamo

10-21-2010, 04:02 PM

I don't understand why some people are so insecure about Kobe bein better than MJ lol. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with MJ. It was about Kobe's best playoff series. Get over it

RUCKER

10-21-2010, 04:03 PM

I don't understand why some people are so insecure about Kobe bein better than MJ lol. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with MJ. It was about Kobe's best playoff series. Get over it

Jordan never had an 80+ pt. game. Jordan has never even come close to what Kobe has done in a game.

asdf1990

10-21-2010, 04:06 PM

I don't understand why some people are so insecure about Kobe bein better than MJ lol. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with MJ. It was about Kobe's best playoff series. Get over it
Another kobe homer mad cuz Kobe can't be like mike.

indiefan24

10-21-2010, 04:08 PM

Another kobe homer mad cuz Kobe can't be like mike.

Based on your posts, it seems like you're the only one here who is angry.

asdf1990

10-21-2010, 04:13 PM

Based on your posts, it seems like you're the only one here who is angry.
Based on ur posts It looks like u are a Kobe homer mad cuz jordan>Kobe

indiefan24

10-21-2010, 04:16 PM

Based on ur posts It looks like u are a Kobe homer mad cuz jordan>Kobe

Nah man, b/c right now im playing 2K11 as 96' Jordan against the Lakers and I'm kicking Kobe's ass.

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 04:22 PM

If you didn't invade every Jordan thread trolling about Kobe, perhaps the reverse wouldn't happen as much.

Find 1 post where I talk about Kobe on a Jordan Thread!? Just 1. That's what I thought, you can't.

G.O.A.T.

10-21-2010, 04:24 PM

Find 1 post where I talk about Kobe on a Jordan Thread!? Just 1. That's what I thought, you can't.

Yeah he usually likes to bring the Spurs and/or Ginobili into any thread though

G-Funk

10-21-2010, 04:31 PM

Typical Suspects?

i am not gonna hate but lebron has had a way better series then kobe sorry. n its to bad 4 the king his squad isnt good as kobe

But...but... Kobe chokes in the playoffs :lol

Someone post Jordan's greatest playoff series.

And has anyone noticed that Kobe greatest playoff series have none in the finals? While most of MJ's best series and games are from the finals.

Jordan would SHIT ON Kobe's production "today." Drop 25-30 year old Jordan in the '06-'10 NBA and he'd make it his *****. He was a clearly superior player to Kobe freaking Bryant. Get real. Trolls like you are why people hate and can't just appreciate Kobe for the tremendous player he is.

now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...

A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:

30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls

Kobe better 3 ball(slim margin)
Jordan better Mid Range game(slim margin)
Jordan better post game(huge margin)

YOU got it wrong. KOBE is the biggest media hype/fraud. The media needed a Michael Jordan. They shoved Kobe down our throats, but only the morons fell for it. Kobe is not even the best player of his era.

Jordans best series shits on Kobe's best by a landslide.

AirJordan&Magic

10-21-2010, 04:38 PM

:oldlol: at the stupidity that this thread became just because some dumbass troll decided to add to his reputation as one of the most idiotic posters on this forum, and ruin a good thread. (Kg5mvp)
Is there ever a thread that pertains to Kobe that won't be ruined by the bitterness and insecurities of these idiots?

Seriously, this thread was made to appreciate the great performances this guy has put up over the years and we have trolls & idiots from both side of the fences, destroying it.

Willkill24

10-21-2010, 04:54 PM

Probably cuz no1 else has ever gone 6-24 in the most important game of the season. U have no comparisons.
Didn't Jordan go 5-19 or something against Sonics ?

tpols

10-21-2010, 04:55 PM

Didn't Jordan go 5-19 or something against Sonics ?
NO! NOooooo! Jordan NEVER went 5-19 in the finals! You're a filthy liar!

Willkill24

10-21-2010, 04:56 PM

NO! NOooooo! Jordan NEVER went 5-19 in the finals! You're a filthy liar!
:lol

EarlTheGoat

10-21-2010, 05:01 PM

Didn't Jordan go 5-19 or something against Sonics ?

PWNED.

asdf1990

10-21-2010, 05:03 PM

Didn't Jordan go 5-19 or something against Sonics ?

Jordan has higher fg% nice try.

InspiredLebowski

10-21-2010, 05:05 PM

It amuses me to no end that some people are so adamant about arguing Kobe Bryant's accomplishments. For hours. On an internet message board.

Willkill24

10-21-2010, 05:05 PM

Jordan has higher fg% nice try.
25% vs 26% :roll:

DatDudeD

10-21-2010, 05:37 PM

wow this thread went to crap pretty fast cant say i didnt see that coming. In all honesty i think coming in here and bringing jordan up when he has nothing to do with the thread is a NOOB MOVE. Kobe is not jordan and never will be but he seems to be the only player to ever get punished because of it. No matter how you slice or how much you dislike the man there are facets of the game where he is MJ like and may be even better. He hasnt had a breakout finals performance yet but that doesnt diminish what he has done on the way to 5 rings in 7 tries and if that is diminished because he isnt MJ then every other player in history should be judged the same way.

BallPhunk

10-21-2010, 05:42 PM

It amuses me to no end that some people are so adamant about arguing Kobe Bryant's and Michael Jordan's accomplishments. For hours. On an internet message board.

Fixed.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 05:44 PM

Jordan stans (Loki/OldSchool/Knoe/etc) are truly the scum of the earth.

DatDudeD

10-21-2010, 05:45 PM

Fixed.

Good Try Buddy.......

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 06:28 PM

Vid from Kobe's 2001 series against the Spurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvpnmAk2xU (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdhA41wgms (Part 2)

KenneBell

10-21-2010, 07:53 PM

when i think about post game, kobe's name has nothing to do there.
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Maybe you should watch his game more. I'd try to learn proper English grammar before that. Might take awhile.

necya

10-21-2010, 08:18 PM

Maybe you should watch his game more. I'd try to learn proper English grammar before that. Might take awhile.

thank you, i have already watched him during the last 13 years...and have way more interesting games to watch. and you, how many penny's games do you have watched?

don't talk like it was incomprehensible...it would be great if you could correct me! it's weird cause everyone i know from overseas understand me very well...

btw, maybe you speak french as "good" as i speak english?

KenneBell

10-21-2010, 08:22 PM

btw, maybe you speak french as "good" as i speak english?
If this was a French board It would matter. It's not.

As for Penny being as good as Kobe in the post, I'm sorry, it's not happening. Penny was very good though.

necya

10-21-2010, 08:32 PM

If this was a French board It would matter. It's not.

As for Penny being as good as Kobe in the post, I'm sorry, it's not happening. Penny was very good though.

first, answer to the whole post, then criticize someone on his non natural language is pityful...

and please correct me, it would obviously help me.

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 08:58 PM

Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.

It's about 85% of MJ's in terms of overall efficacy. You can ask Kobe to recreate every move MJ ever did in the post and he'd probably be able to (though maybe not as adroitly), but that's not what ABILITY is about. Jordan was significantly more intuitive in the post than Kobe imo, made quicker/better reads, established and held position better, and had just as many if not more moves.

Nobody said that Kobe was better than MJ from the post. I just don't think theirs a huge difference if any to believe that Jordan was a superior post player than Kobe. MJ was stronger but the skills are still there to be judged, & Kobe has not shown that he sucks from the post on the contrary he's shown that he's top 3 in the league when it comes to post players. I don;t think that's overrating

Yeah, Kobe is top 3 in the league. Jordan is #1 or 2 ALL-TIME in the post for non-bigs. Big difference. Jordan was far more intuitive on the block than Kobe (who is very technically proficient, but not as intuitive), and has done numerous things down there that Kobe hasn't. On top of that, you have his better decision making and quicker reads/reactions, which factor into his post ability.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 09:00 PM

It's about 85% of MJ's in terms of overall efficacy. You can ask Kobe to recreate every move MJ ever did in the post and he'd probably be able to (though maybe not as adroitly), but that's not what ABILITY is about. Jordan was significantly more intuitive in the post than Kobe imo, made quicker/better reads, established and held position better, and had just as many if not more moves.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 09:02 PM

He was. That's actually the biggest difference between them in the post. Sorry you find it funny. Basketball intuitiveness is very important.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 09:03 PM

No. He wasn't. You're just pulling shit our of your ass like always. :oldlol:

laronprofit9

10-21-2010, 09:15 PM

He was. That's actually the biggest difference between them in the post. Sorry you find it funny. Basketball intuitiveness is very important.

Man I'd hate to talk about Jordan in this thread, and it's ruining what I said in a post earlier in this thread, but here it goes:

You can say: Kobe has a lot of the same moves Jordan does, and there are differences in where Jordan was more athletic and finished around the hoop better. Arguing Kobe having more range than Jordan, etc.. Kobe/Jordan leg-kicking on his fadeaways, both have great footwork/postgames at sg, both ultra competitive, etc.. etc...

But their approach is extremely different.

Jordan moved without the ball better than Kobe, and found his spots better than Kobe. Jordan was more decisive, and moved quickly to not allow defenders to contest him. Jordan would never allow double teams to reach him in time to contest him. Every movement, with or without the ball was quick and decisive to avoid the defense.

Kobe loves to take the defense head-on, and believes that his confidence in his own one-on-one abilities will allow him to beat the defense straight up. It's worked for him, as he has had a successful career, but this is also the main reason why he's not as efficient as Jordan. Kobe "waits" on offense too much.

Where you notice this the most is how frequently Kobe uses his face-up triple threat position jumper with a direct contest by the defender. Jordan would never shoot these shots as frequently as Kobe. Jordan would receive the ball in triple threat, and then either pump fake-drive-layup, pass out-move to better spot-shoot more open jumper. Kobe doesn't work like Jordan, and often settles for his face-up jumper too much. A lot of these happen to be the :wtf: kind of shot was that Kobe category.

The closest comparison to Kobe in terms of skill-set and approach is actually Tracy McGrady in his prime, not Michael Jordan.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 09:20 PM

Jordan had to move quicker because he didn't have Kobe's isolation ability. He had to attack before a defense sets up because he lacked iso scoring creativity and ball-handling: everything was a drive or a pull-up mid-range jumper. Kobe, on the other hand, is the best/most creative ball-handler at the SG position ever and has a unparalleled array of shots. :applause:

knightfall88

10-21-2010, 09:35 PM

I disagree with the Jordan Kobe Post comparisons. you put any defender that ever guarded MJ on Kobe and he will tear him up in the post. There is a reason that Kobe is so often guarded by 6'8 small forwards instead of speedy smaller guards.

OldSchoolBBall

10-21-2010, 09:42 PM

Kobe fans: smoking that good stuff since 2000. :oldlol:

Ne 1

10-21-2010, 09:46 PM

Jordan fans: smoking that good stuff since 1991 :oldlol:

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 09:58 PM

Jordan fans: Delusional since 1984. :oldlol:

raptorfan_dr07

10-21-2010, 10:22 PM

Jordan fans: smoking that good stuff since 1991 :oldlol:

Jordan fans: Delusional since 1984. :oldlol:

Has anybody suggested to Jeff that some kind of safety measures be put in effect where banned posters cannot come back under new usernames? Once time, you get a second chance. After that, you're done. I'm not sure what kind of stuff can be done but I'm sure we can come with suggestions. This is the kind of BS that pollutes this board and makes it unbearable. Ignore list doesn't work because someone inevitably ends up quoting them. When they're finally banned, they come back under yet another username and you have to update ignore list again. I don't care much for the rep system and I never comment on it, but it's quite telling when "brand new" posters such as these already are in the red.

What exactly are Jordan fans delusional about? He's widely considered the greatest player of all time. Does that mean he is? No, there other players who you can make a case for as well. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Russell come to mind and, to a lesser extent, Wilt Chamberlain. Jordan isn't the best at everything. He doesn't need to be, his overall numbers/accolades/accomplishments speak for itself. It can be debatable whether or not he was a better scorer than Wilt. He wasn't as good a passer as Magic. Wasn't as good a shooter as Bird. What people like myself, OldSchoolBball, Glide2keva, Calabis, Sin Jackal, etc. take issue with is when people try and place Kobe in the same stratosphere as these guys when it's clear he doesn't belong there. He has never approached Jordan's career and never will. He's fallen short in everything. No he doesn't have a "higher scoring ceiling"(whatever the hell that means) than Jordan. No his post game is not equal to Jordan's. He isn't as good and you need to accept that. And yes, KG5MVP, another troll account, DID ruin this thread to begin with. However it was only a matter of time that posters like the above were going to come in here with their "KOBE GOAT :bowdown:" garbage. You know that. This only accelerated their arrival.

As far as the OP's question? Either 2001 against the Spurs or 2008 against the Spurs.

Jacks25

10-21-2010, 10:34 PM

Has anybody suggested to Jeff that some kind of safety measures be put in effect where banned posters cannot come back under new usernames? Once time, you get a second chance. After that, you're done. I'm not sure what kind of stuff can be done but I'm sure we can come with suggestions. This is the kind of BS that pollutes this board and makes it unbearable. Ignore list doesn't work because someone inevitably ends up quoting them. When they're finally banned, they come back under yet another username and you have to update ignore list again. I don't care much for the rep system and I never comment on it, but it's quite telling when "brand new" posters such as these already are in the red.

What exactly are Jordan fans delusional about? He's widely considered the greatest player of all time. Does that mean he is? No, there other players who you can make a case for as well. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Russell come to mind and, to a lesser extent, Wilt Chamberlain. Jordan isn't the best at everything. He doesn't need to be, his overall numbers/accolades/accomplishments speak for itself. It can be debatable whether or not he was a better scorer than Wilt. He wasn't as good a passer as Magic. Wasn't as good a shooter as Bird. What people like myself, OldSchoolBball, Glide2keva, Calabis, Sin Jackal, etc. take issue with is when people try and place Kobe in the same stratosphere as these guys when it's clear he doesn't belong there. He has never approached Jordan's career and never will. He's fallen short in everything. No he doesn't have a "higher scoring ceiling"(whatever the hell that means) than Jordan. No his post game is not equal to Jordan's. He isn't as good and you need to accept that. And yes, KG5MVP, another troll account, DID ruin this thread to begin with. However it was only a matter of time that posters like the above were going to come in here with their "KOBE GOAT :bowdown:" garbage. You know that. This only accelerated their arrival.

As far as the OP's question? Either 2001 against the Spurs or 2008 against the Spurs.

This post has so much garbage it's amazing. May God have mercy on your soul.

DatDudeD

10-21-2010, 10:41 PM

Has anybody suggested to Jeff that some kind of safety measures be put in effect where banned posters cannot come back under new usernames? Once time, you get a second chance. After that, you're done. I'm not sure what kind of stuff can be done but I'm sure we can come with suggestions. This is the kind of BS that pollutes this board and makes it unbearable. Ignore list doesn't work because someone inevitably ends up quoting them. When they're finally banned, they come back under yet another username and you have to update ignore list again. I don't care much for the rep system and I never comment on it, but it's quite telling when "brand new" posters such as these already are in the red.

What exactly are Jordan fans delusional about? He's widely considered the greatest player of all time. Does that mean he is? No, there other players who you can make a case for as well. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Russell come to mind and, to a lesser extent, Wilt Chamberlain. Jordan isn't the best at everything. He doesn't need to be, his overall numbers/accolades/accomplishments speak for itself. It can be debatable whether or not he was a better scorer than Wilt. He wasn't as good a passer as Magic. Wasn't as good a shooter as Bird. What people like myself, OldSchoolBball, Glide2keva, Calabis, Sin Jackal, etc. take issue with is when people try and place Kobe in the same stratosphere as these guys when it's clear he doesn't belong there. He has never approached Jordan's career and never will. He's fallen short in everything. No he doesn't have a "higher scoring ceiling"(whatever the hell that means) than Jordan. No his post game is not equal to Jordan's. He isn't as good and you need to accept that. And yes, KG5MVP, another troll account, DID ruin this thread to begin with. However it was only a matter of time that posters like the above were going to come in here with their "KOBE GOAT :bowdown:" garbage. You know that. This only accelerated their arrival.

As far as the OP's question? Either 2001 against the Spurs or 2008 against the Spurs.

Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. I find it hard to believe that there is
no facet of kobes game that cant be compared to mikes. Honestly what are you guys protecting MJ from ????. I understand that there are people who overrate kobe but its not like we he is harold minor or someone. There can be valid arguments made about kobe being just as good if not better in certain aspects of the game. Most knowledgeable posters know MJ is GOAT, also i wouldnt call Kobe career "falling short" when you have 5 rings and a resume that maybe only a few other players can contend with. When u have posters who come in a thread playing PREVENT defense "let me say hes not better than jordan because someone is bound to say he is".