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Se
06-02-2010, 11:41 AM
OOmpf! I just through rationality out the window. This thread is not going to have an ounce of sense within. If you're coming in to critique my stupid thread, I won't be responding to you. I know this thread is stupid.

Anyway, I was thinking about all the crappy things to happen to the Celtics over the years, and what if all those crappy things had gone in the opposite direction? Bulls, Rockets, Spurs and Lakers fans might not have much to celebrate........

1. Bill Walton remains healthy until 1990 when he retires at the age of 37.

2. Larry Bird never injures his back and plays until the end of the 1995-96 season at the age of 39.

3. Kevin McHale doesn't suffer from crummy ankle injuries and plays until the end of the 1995-96 season and retires at age 38.

3. Len Bias doesn't OD, and ends up making a commitment to basketball excellence and to God, after he believes that God has spared him from death. He retires in 2004 at 40 years old.

4. We never trade Ainge.

5. Reggie Lewis doesn't die from his heart condition, instead doctors discover that he needs a simple surgery that is successful. He retires in 2004 at 38 years old.

6. Dino Radja never goes back to Croatia. He plays until 2007 and retires at age 39.

7. Robert Parish plays out his career in Boston instead of those 2 years in Charlotte and 1 year in Chicago.

8. Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker are still drafted by the C's.

9. Boston lands the number 1 pick (Tim Duncan) due to an earlier trade with the Spurs (thinking they had traded a late first rounder, only to have Robinson injured for the year, giving them the first pick). Billups drops to number 6, and the Celtics pick him up and keep him.

10. We never trade for Sebastian Telfair and we draft Brandon Roy.

11. Boston lands the number 1 pick (due to an early 00's deal with the Blazers), and the rights to Greg Oden, who never has an injury woes.

So our late 80's roster is:
CT: Robert Parish/ Bill Walton
PF: Kevin McHale/ Len Bias
SF: Larry Bird/ Len Bias
SG: Danny Ainge/ Reggie Lewis
PG: Dennis Johnson/ John Bagley

Bias gives McHale and Bird the rest they need. Bias creates match-up problems for a lot of teams easily being the best 6th man the league has seen.

Mid 90's roster is:
CT: Robert Parish/ Dino Radja
PF: Kevin McHale/ Xavier McDaniel
SF: Len Bias/ Larry Bird
SG: Reggie Lewis/ Danny Ainge
PG: Sherman Douglas/ Dee Brown

Bias takes the torch from Bird, allowing him to ease into a bench role/ Lewis and Bias erase Pippen and Jordan from the record books. Hakeem only gets to the NBA Finals, but gets beaten by Boston both years, just as he did in the 80's.

Early 00's roster:
CT: Tim Duncan/ Ben Wallace
PF: Dino Radja/ Zach Randolph/ Antoine Walker
SF: Len Bias/ Walter McCarty
SG: Paul Pierce/ Reggie Lewis/ Joe Johnson
PG: Chauncey Billups/ Andre Miller/ Dee Brown

As Bias and Lewis start to fade, Duncan, Radja, Pierce and Billups help carry the team onward and ****-block the Lakers and Spurs from winning as many titles. We would have traded Zach Randolph away for being a headcase.

Now:
CT: Greg Oden/ Kendrick Perkins/ DeAndre Jordan
PF: Tim Duncan/ Al Jefferson/ Ben Wallace
SF: Paul Pierce/ Ryan Gomes
SG: Joe Johnson/ Brandon Roy/ Tony Allen
PG: Chauncey Billups/ Andre Miller/ Rajon Rondo

The Celtics continue their winning ways by moving Duncan to power forward and experimenting with a twin towers line-up. Jefferson, Perkins, Oden, Roy and Rondo are groomed for the future.

Just imagine how cool that would have been as a Celtics fan.

AJ2k8
06-02-2010, 11:49 AM
Nice effort put into this thread, quite refreshing actually:cheers:

btw were you active in the yahoo fantasy league you made this year?

Se
06-02-2010, 11:50 AM
btw were you active in the yahoo fantasy league you made this year?

No I missed the draft, and only was active for a few weeks in the middle. I lost interest after not taking the time to be in the draft

Se
06-02-2010, 12:04 PM
Did I forget anyone?

JohnnySic
06-02-2010, 12:08 PM
Did I forget anyone?
Keep the pick and take Roy in '07?

Interesting thread, but you're assuming they would have done EVERYTHING right with no bad luck at all. Fat chance, expecially during the Pitino era...

Se
06-02-2010, 12:13 PM
Keep the pick and take Roy in '07?

Interesting thread, but you're assuming they would have done EVERYTHING right with no bad luck at all. Fat chance, expecially during the Pitino era...

Cool thanks!

I'll add Roy.

You must not have read the intro, I was assuming the Celtics had the best luck ever.

Se
06-02-2010, 12:28 PM
Any Boston fans out there that have photohop skills? It'd be cool to see some of these guys in Celtics jerseys.

creepingdeath
06-02-2010, 12:30 PM
[QUOTE=Se

Se
06-02-2010, 12:33 PM
Dirk being drafted by Pitino's Celtics first-round pick at number ten.

I prefer Pierce. Nowitzki went before 10 anyway

Se
06-02-2010, 01:02 PM
I forgot DeAndre Jordan, I was high on him at draft time.

JohnnySic
06-02-2010, 01:02 PM
You must not have read the intro, I was assuming the Celtics had the best luck ever.
Yup, missed that, sorry.

Other notables:

- Not cutting Ben Wallace

- Drafting Tracy McGrady instead of Ron Mercer (as some in the organization wanted to do)

- Drafting Andre Miller rather than trading the pick for Vitaly Potapenko

- Keeping Joe Johnson (Phoenix preferred Kedrick Brown anyway :rant )

- Drafting Zach Randolph and Tony Parker instead of Kedrick Brown and Joe Forte :wtf:

This is going off the deep end. :lol

Se
06-02-2010, 01:08 PM
- Not cutting Ben Wallace Nice, he'll make a great Duncan back-up.

- Drafting Tracy McGrady instead of Ron Merger I suggested we landed Number 1 (Duncan) that year instead of #3, and then we still had number 6, and used it for Billups who would probably have slid there.

- Drafting Andre Miller rather than trading the pick for Vitaly Potapenko Another good call. Thanks for the help!

- Keeping Joe Johnson (Phoenix preferred Kedrick Brown anyway :rant )
Bah, how could I forget this!

- Drafting Zach Randolph and Tony Parker instead of Kedrick Brown and Joe Forte :wtf:
I'll leave those as what ifs. I liked Forte...... *pukes*

This is going off the deep end. :lol

I like it a lot. What a depth chart!

bk33
06-02-2010, 01:19 PM
hehe travis knight

dutchguy
06-02-2010, 01:22 PM
Well, that shows that a lot does depend on the franchise. It's mostly too bad that a lot of these guys didn't stick around. I think it can highly impact the new hopes on the team when the older (ex)players are around, like Duncan benefitted from Robinson and now Blair from Duncan. That's why I hope KG will stick around. SA is also very good in the draft. I think that's the only way (apart from pure dumb stupid luck, which is a huge part) to continually be an elite team.

But if all this happened you would've missed ray and kg playing here.:confusedshrug:

Se
06-02-2010, 01:22 PM
hehe travis knight

bk!

Se
06-02-2010, 01:26 PM
But if all this happened you would've missed ray and kg playing here.:confusedshrug:

Good. I'd take the multiple championships and Duncan and Joe Johnson over those two. Duncan won 4 championships in the 90's with his Spurs team, how many would he win with:
Early 00's roster:
CT: Tim Duncan (HOF)/ Ben Wallace (Great Defensive player)
PF: Dino Radja (Just out of hid prime)/ Antoine Walker (Dynamite in a bench role)
SF: Len Bias (Basically Jordan in his later years)/ Walter McCarty
SG: Paul Pierce (HOF)/ Reggie Lewis (All-star moving into reserve role)/ Joe Johnson (future star)
PG: Chauncey Billups (developing star)/ Andre Miller (good point guard)/ Dee Brown

They'd be against the Lakers every year.

dutchguy
06-02-2010, 01:37 PM
[QUOTE=Se

Se
06-02-2010, 01:42 PM
Hey:rant
I'm trying to stay positive here. The glass is half full.
It's just an old glass

Haha, old glass.... KG's knees are made of old glass.

I love our team how it is, I just wanted to reminisce. I think about Reggie Lewis and Len Bias every now and then. I would have loved to see those two against Jordan and Pippen.

KOBE24isdabest
06-02-2010, 02:02 PM
fun thread

just gona chip in my shops

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/kobeowen132/roycelts.png

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/kobeowen132/duncanceltscopy.jpg

Se
06-02-2010, 02:23 PM
fun thread

just gona chip in my shops

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/kobeowen132/roycelts.png

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/kobeowen132/duncanceltscopy.jpg

Dude! :bowdown:

They look great! Thanks for putting those in here. Can you do me the biggest favour? Could you photoshop Len Bias into a number 30 Celtics jersey?

AMISTILLILL
06-02-2010, 02:31 PM
Aren't there a whole lot of assumptions going on about Bias' potential here?

JohnnySic
06-02-2010, 02:31 PM
This thread is officially a WIN. :cheers:

Se
06-02-2010, 02:53 PM
Aren't there a whole lot of assumptions going on about Bias' potential here?

Get out of town. Bias was going to be an all-star. Red has been working on a plan to draft him for 3 years prior to drafting him.

[QUOTE]According to Celtics

AMISTILLILL
06-02-2010, 02:54 PM
[QUOTE=Se

Se
06-02-2010, 02:56 PM
I mostly just meant the erasing Jordan/Pippen from the record books parts. Sure, he'd be good but...

Lewis guarded Jordan well and was an all-star at shooting guard. If Bias was going to be a big time player at small forward, I feel that Bias and Lewis would have been able to take some championships from Jordan and Pippen.

KOBE24isdabest
06-02-2010, 03:10 PM
[QUOTE=Se

pete's montreux
06-02-2010, 03:14 PM
Sick thread. Love it. :oldlol:

gasolina
06-02-2010, 03:14 PM
Say what you want, but I enjoyed watching the 1st half of the season of the 1997 celtics. Walker, McCarty, Declerq, Mercer, Billups.

Walter McCarty for the win! :applause:

Se
06-02-2010, 03:15 PM
Sick thread. Love it. :oldlol:

Thanks Pete. Are we missing any one?

And what one of those teams do you like the best?

Se
06-02-2010, 03:17 PM
Say what you want, but I enjoyed watching the 1st half of the season of the 1997 celtics. Walker, McCarty, Declerq, Mercer, Billups.

Walter McCarty for the win! :applause:

A true fan! I loved McCarty, too. Not a bad R&B singer either.

pete's montreux
06-02-2010, 03:17 PM
That's a tough one. I gotta rank them

Late 80's
Mid 90's
Early 90's
Early 00's
Now

Se
06-02-2010, 03:18 PM
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/kobeowen132/lenbiascelts-1.jpg

:cheers:


Due, thanks so much. I'm going to save this bad boy. I love it! If we had rep, I;d give you a tonne.

If you ever need an Insider article, or anything else, just give me a PM.

Se
06-02-2010, 03:19 PM
That's a tough one. I gotta rank them

Late 80's
Mid 90's
Early 90's
Early 00's
Now

The early 00's team is pretty sick, no?

Duncan, Bias, Lewis & Pierce.

pete's montreux
06-02-2010, 03:34 PM
[quote=Se

Se
06-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Over Len Bias and Reggie Lewis in their prime? I don't know man.

Yeah, that's true. In their primes with Bird, Parish and McHale playing veteran role players. That's a really good team.

Se
06-02-2010, 07:10 PM
Anyone else I forgot? RMWG, thoughts?

JohnnySic
06-02-2010, 07:35 PM
This one's a bit of a curveball, but its an interesting tidbit in Celtics lore:

Around 1988/89, after the winning of the 80's was clearly over, the Celts could have traded Larry Bird to Indiana for Chuck Person and th #2 pick in the draft, which turned out to be Ric Smits. Indiana wanted to do the deal to bring home their hometown hero.

At around the same time, the C's could have traded Kevin McHale to Dallas for Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins.

Both deals were vetoed - by Bird and McHale, because they wanted to retire as Celtics for the sake of their legacy. "Celtics Pride" was taken very seriously back then, before the downfall that followed.

Incidentally, Smits, Person, Schrempf, and Perkins eventually all played together for the strong Pacers teams of the 90's.

A team of Smits, Person, Schrempf, Perkins, Reggie Lewis, Robert Parish, Dee Brown, Rick Fox, Sherman Douglas, and (eventually) Dino Radja would have been a contender throughout the 90's...

Se
06-03-2010, 10:05 AM
A team of Smits, Person, Schrempf, Perkins, Reggie Lewis, Robert Parish, Dee Brown, Rick Fox, Sherman Douglas, and (eventually) Dino Radja would have been a contender throughout the 90's...

That's a lot of forwards. It'd take a brave man to trade Bird and McHale. The Celtics might not have drafted Smits with the second pick either. Maybe they take Mitch Richmond :)

CT: Parish/ Radja
PF: Perkins/ Schrempf
SF: Lewis/ Person
SG: Richmond/ Fox
PG: Douglas/ Brown

Stacked! Only two real all-stars in Lewis and Richmond, but these guys would be making deep playoff runs every year. Richmond and Lewis would be able to trip up Jordan on more than one occasion I'm sure.

Lebowski
06-03-2010, 01:02 PM
- Drafting Zach Randolph and Tony Parker instead of Kedrick Brown and Joe

Hah, now that is a story!

Nice thread, a gem among, well crap.
I'll take the mid 90's. Gotta have a Bird, gotta have. Mid 90s (or 93-94 season) is when I "became" a Celtics fan so its special I guess. I really liked Sherman, he and Dino where my favourite players, however the only NBA jersey I got was Webbers golden state =(

Altho the now team is a real nightmare. Some size and a littlebit of talent inside.

MeLO MvP 15
06-03-2010, 01:53 PM
nice thread

Se
06-03-2010, 02:33 PM
Okay, I'm including Randolph but not Parker. I just can't stand that guy.

AMISTILLILL
06-03-2010, 03:08 PM
Man, my mind is wandering with the thought of all these 'what ifs'. Oh, what could have been.

Se
06-03-2010, 03:19 PM
Man, my mind is wandering with the thought of all these 'what ifs'. Oh, what could have been.

Imagine the Bulls. Maybe I'll make a Bulls-related thread on this.

D-FENS
04-28-2015, 10:46 PM
The Big Lebumpski

Derka
04-28-2015, 11:20 PM
The only ones I really entertain are more years of healthy Larry and not losing Len Bias and Reggie Miller to dying. Those were devastating. Those other ones...less so, but I appreciate the effort.

I only really recall the last years of prime Larry when we lost to LA in 87 and Detroit in 88. I only vaguely remember the 86 title...I was only 6 at the time.