Official ish war WAR draft

[DatDudeD]

I was watching the History channel today and the episode was focusing on the roman armies. I figured i would start a draft on here with each person picking a pre- gun powder army from history and picking one leader to lead the army. i will take any suggestions to how many rounds it should be and any other additions that i could add. There are gonna be a even 8 contestants we will go round by round with some with matchups being NBA style 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7 etc...... I was thinking we might need judges to declare the winners of each matchup maybe 2 judges. We pick armies first and then leaders second. let me know if you guys have any feedback on any changes that can be made.

Armies
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8

Leaders
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1

then we start the matchups

Who wants in....

[vapid]

Its a draft.
Its history based.

Thus I am in.

[Rizko]

Word. Imma go Mongolia up in this *****.

[vapid]

So we're supposed to be picking multiple different units to consist of one army? So I would draft Roman Legions round 1 and Teutonic Knights Round 2 and so on?

[DatDudeD]

Draft order so far
1. Me
2. Vapic
3. Rizko
4
5
6
7
8

any suggestions about someting that i need to add

[vapid]

You should at least state the location where the armies would meet beforehand, or somehow incorporate the location into the draft.

[DatDudeD]

So we're supposed to be picking multiple different units to consist of one army? So I would draft Roman Legions round 1 and Teutonic Knights Round 2 and so on?

ok so maybe i should add a 2nd round for drafting armies sounds good to me, so now there will be 2 rounds for drafting armies and 1 for drafting a general i.e leader. remember it has to be pre-gun powder.

[Rizko]

There are 8 rounds for choosing the army, but do we have 8 rounds for leaders? Or are we just piking one general to lead the whole army?

Edit: 2 rounds for army and 1 for general? Pretty quick draft...

[DatDudeD]

You should at least state the location where the armies would meet beforehand, or somehow incorporate the location into the draft.

hmmmmm..... what would be some suggestions for a ideal place where both armies would have a equal advantage ?

[rezznor]

i'm picking Protoss

[DatDudeD]

There are 8 rounds for choosing the army, but do we have 8 rounds for leaders? Or are we just piking one general to lead the whole army?

Edit: 2 rounds for army and 1 for general? Pretty quick draft...

i only said that because i dont know how extensive everyones history is but i guess we could add maybe 2 more rounds i dont wanna have to many rounds we might run into conflicts or run out of armies. yeah only one leader for the whole army.

[Rizko]

hmmmmm..... what would be some suggestions for a ideal place where both armies would have a equal advantage ?
The most fair place would be an open grass field, though that slightly favors more Cavalry based armies.

[DatDudeD]

i'm picking Protoss

are u in rezznor ?

[DatDudeD]

The most fair place would be an open grass field, though that slightly favors more horse based armies.

sounds good to me....so a open grass field will be the setting

[vapid]

2 rounds is... not very much, you would have a lot of armies that would just be terrible matchups against each other because they aren't well rounded enough.

[DatDudeD]

2 rounds is... not very much, you would have a lot of armies that would just be terrible matchups against each other because they aren't well rounded enough.

ok so how does 4 rounds sound i think that would probably work out, what do you think ?

[Rizko]

As long as someone has a decent knowledge of history they should be able to draft into the 5-6th round NP IMO.

It's what you wanna do though, it's not like it has to be set in stone, we can start with 4 and if people want to add more we can

[rezznor]

are u in rezznor ?
naaa, i'll just watch or judge

[DatDudeD]

As long as someone has a decent knowledge of history they should be able to draft into the 5-6th round NP IMO.

It's what you wanna do though, it's not like it has to be set in stone, we can start with 4 and if people want to add more we can

yeah true, so well start with 4 then, we need 5 more people to jump in though to get this rolling. so far we have

1.me
2.vapid
3.u

and rezz said he would watch or judge

[Jackass18]

Is this like Deadliest Warrior?

[DatDudeD]

Is this like Deadliest Warrior?

yeah pretty much, but we are using whole armies, we got 5 spots open u in ?

[vapid]

yeah pretty much, but we are using whole armies, we got 5 spots open u in ?
So basically its not like Deadliest Warrior, which pitted one fighter against another in a one on one fight.

[Jackass18]

I'm not sure how this is going to go down, but I guess I could be in.

I think they've been 5 on 5 fights for most of this season.

[DatDudeD]

I'm not sure how this is going to go down, but I guess I could be in.

I think they've been 5 on 5 fights for most of this season.

ok cool ill add you to the list.

1. me
2. vapid
3. rizko
4. jackass
5. Lebron23
6. Jasi
7. knickballer
8. zabuza666

[Lebron23]

Count me in.

[DatDudeD]

hey guys i am gonna take off gotta get up early in the morning, i wanna keep the draft going though we still have 3 spots left. whoever wants to join PM me and i will add you to the list and we can keep this going. I am gonna be on early tommorrow though.

[Jasi]

I'll do it

[Jasi]

How about the size of the armies in a match-up?

Are they going to be considered equal (e.g. "the same amount of Spartans vs the same amount of Achaemenids") or left as they actually were (e.g. "300 Spartans vs 300,000 Aechemenids")?

[knickballer]

Count me in.

[DatDudeD]

How about the size of the armies in a match-up?

Are they going to be considered equal (e.g. "the same amount of Spartans vs the same amount of Achaemenids") or left as they actually were (e.g. "300 Spartans vs 300,000 Aechemenids")?

yeah the same size armies, i wanna make it as even as possible

we got 1 more spot open who wants in

[zabuza666]

yeah the same size armies, i wanna make it as even as possible

we got 1 more spot open who wants in

Me im heaps keen

[DatDudeD]

Me im heaps keen

ok cool we can start now i will add you to the list

[DatDudeD]

Ok we are gonna start the draft now

setting: open grass field
number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

Round 1

1 DatDudeD- Trojan infantry, sun tzu chinese general
2 vapid- alexander the great, mongolian horseback archers
3 Rizko- war elephants (he hasnt specified which army though), Hannibal barca
4 Jackass- richard the lionheart and longbowmen
5 Lebron23-Julius ceasar,egyptian army (he didnt specify what part of the army i am gonna assume infantry
6 Jasi- charles martel,theban olique phalanx
7 Knickballer
8 Zabusa666

Round 2

8 Zabusa
7 Knickballer
6 Jasi
5 lebron23
4 Jackass
3 Rizko
2 Vapid
1 DatDudeD

Round 3

1 Lebron23
2 Jackass
3 Rizko
4 Vapid
5 DatDudeD
6 zabusa666
7 Knickballer
8 Jasi

Round 4

1 Jasi
2 Knickballer
3 Zabusa666
4 Jackass
5 Rizko
6 Lebron23
7 DatDudeD
8 Vapid

[vapid]

Maybe you should make the leader selectable in any round? Because you give people at the top of the draft an advantage by having it as a separate draft.

[DatDudeD]

Maybe you should make the leader selectable in any round? Because you give people at the top of the draft an advantage by having it as a separate draft.

ok that would make sense i wanna make it as even as possible. I will add that stip than thanks vapid could you help me contact everyone that is involved i jasi just pm'd me
Note: Leaders are able to be selected in any round now, just make sure you let me know that you are picking a leader

[vapid]

I'll get my leader pick out of the way since there really is no clear cut unit choice I'd like right now, so I'll pick Alexander the Great

http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/L/A-Robert.R.Lauer-1/alexanderthegreat.jpe

[vapid]

DatdudeD: I don't understand your pick, you picked the entire Trojan Army? Archers, Infantry, everything?

[DatDudeD]

DatdudeD: I don't understand your pick, you picked the entire Trojan Army? Archers, Infantry, everything?

sorry just the infantry i didnt clear that up

[Rizko]

War Elephants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant) (specifically Indian/S. East Asia Elephants)

http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/RomanLinks/hannibalalps.jpg

http://www.factropolis.com/uploaded_images/elephants-789577.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Schlacht_bei_Zama_Gem%C3%A4lde_H_P_Motte.jpg/800px-Schlacht_bei_Zama_Gem%C3%A4lde_H_P_Motte.jpg

Now before people start bitching Elephants are some impervious force, they can be easily scared and the people riding on top of the Elephant are prone to arrows. IMO Elephants are either going to guarantee victory in a battle OR **** me over, they are a big gamble.

[johndeeregreen]

Now before people start bitching Elephants are some impervious force, they can be easily scared and the people riding on top of the Elephant are prone to arrows. IMO Elephants are either going to guarantee victory in a battle OR **** me over, they are a big gamble.
My choice would be the 2010 101st Airborne Division, or any other unit in world history that had ****ing guns.:oldlol: They would demolish your elephants and the Roman legions with one hand tied around their collective balls.

[zabuza666]

Do i have to wait for others to make their pick? Cause i've got my leader lined up.

[DatDudeD]

My choice would be the 2010 101st Airborne Division, or any other unit in world history that had ****ing guns.:oldlol: They would demolish your elephants and the Roman legions with one hand tied around their collective balls.

:wtf: ....okkkaaaaayyyyy

[Jasi]

My choice would be the 2010 101st Airborne Division, or any other unit in world history that had ****ing guns.:oldlol: They would demolish your elephants and the Roman legions with one hand tied around their collective balls.


pre-gun powder armies
:rolleyes:

[johndeeregreen]

EDIT: Good to know.

[johndeeregreen]

:rolleyes:
OMGZZZ didn't read, you're so ****ing smart it makes me want to puke.

[Rizko]

My choice would be the 2010 101st Airborne Division, or any other unit in world history that had ****ing guns.:oldlol: They would demolish your elephants and the Roman legions with one hand tied around their collective balls.
If it had been post-gunpowder I would have tried to pick Dmitry Medvedev and used nukes on everyone :lol

[johndeeregreen]

If it had been post-gunpowder I would have tried to pick Dmitry Medvedev and used nukes on everyone :lol
That would be an interesting draft.

[DatDudeD]

That would be an interesting draft.

short as hell too

[Jackass18]

Are we using a set date as what constitutes as pre-gun powder? Also, could you update the first post with the php to make this much easier?

[vapid]

Are we using a set date as what constitutes as pre-gun powder? Also, could you update the first post with the php to make this much easier?
We should probably just include any units that are pre-gunpowder, since gun powder emerged in different parts of the world at different times.

[bballer]

Current armies would kick ass. MOoe advanced technology

[Jasi]

Are we using a set date as what constitutes as pre-gun powder? Also, could you update the first post with the php to make this much easier?

First firearms were used in mid-14th century

[DatDudeD]

War Elephants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant) (specifically Indian/S. East Asia Elephants)

http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/RomanLinks/hannibalalps.jpg

http://www.factropolis.com/uploaded_images/elephants-789577.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Schlacht_bei_Zama_Gem%C3%A4lde_H_P_Motte.jpg/800px-Schlacht_bei_Zama_Gem%C3%A4lde_H_P_Motte.jpg

Now before people start bitching Elephants are some impervious force, they can be easily scared and the people riding on top of the Elephant are prone to arrows. IMO Elephants are either going to guarantee victory in a battle OR **** me over, they are a big gamble.

what army is that specifically ?

[DatDudeD]

Are we using a set date as what constitutes as pre-gun powder? Also, could you update the first post with the php to make this much easier?

yeah i am updating the first php as we go along so that it will be easier for everyone i am waiting on rizko to specify the army the war elephants come from

[Lebron23]

I already send my contingency lists to DatDudeD, and jackass18. I am going to the mall today.

[DatDudeD]

Damn Rizko is offline anybody who is participating in the draft and isnt gonna be online pm me your lists just in case

[Rizko]

what army is that specifically ?
What do you mean? Elephants were used in many armies.

I'll take these Elephants:

"Looking further east again, however, Alexander could see that the kings of the Nanda Empire and Gangaridai could deploy as between 3,000 and 6,000 war elephants. Such a force was many times larger than the number employed by the Persians and Greeks, which discouraged Alexander's small band of men and effectively halted their advance into India"

-from wiki

[vapid]

Too bad Alexander will have an equal-sized army in this matchup.:D

[DatDudeD]

What do you mean? Elephants were used in many armies.

I'll take these Elephants:

"Looking further east again, however, Alexander could see that the kings of the Nanda Empire and Gangaridai could deploy as between 3,000 and 6,000 war elephants. Such a force was many times larger than the number employed by the Persians and Greeks, which discouraged Alexander's small band of men and effectively halted their advance into India"

-from wiki

ok i was just asking i didnt want someone to pick the same army on accident, i added your pick. jackass is up next

[Rizko]

Too bad Alexander will have an equal-sized army in this matchup.:D
Alexander was a good pick, he has had success against elephants in a few battles which really negates the effectiveness my army would have against yours.

[DatDudeD]

Too bad Alexander will have an equal-sized army in this matchup.:D

you didnt make a army pick with that alexander pick you can do both if you let me know that you are going to pick a general its like a 1 time 2 for 1 pick.

[Rizko]

you didnt make a army pick with that alexander pick you can do both if you let me know that you are going to pick a general its like a 1 time 2 for 1 pick.
HMMMMMM??????? You should have made that more obvious, because now everyone can pick a general and army in the 1st round...

Instead of elephants I could have had a general and elephants in the same round. If I had known that was a possibility I would have done it.

[Jackass18]

So, we pick a leader and army? Alright, I have my leader:

Genghis Khan

I'll look for army now.

[Jasi]

HMMMMMM??????? You should have made that more obvious, because now everyone can pick a general and army in the 1st round...

Instead of elephants I could have had a general and elephants in the same round. If I had known that was a possibility I would have done it.

I agree.
Since the draft started that way, I suggest we go on like that: no combined picks...

[DatDudeD]

HMMMMMM??????? You should have made that more obvious, because now everyone can pick a general and army in the 1st round...

Instead of elephants I could have had a general and elephants in the same round. If I had known that was a possibility I would have done it.

I did put that up in a post on like the 2nd page, yeah you can do that only once though.

[DatDudeD]

So, we pick a leader and army? Alright, I have my leader:

Genghis Khan

I'll look for army now.

good pick, i knew he was gonna be one of the more obvious pick. Ruthless as hell and not a bad tactician

[Jasi]

I did put that up in a post on like the 2nd page, yeah you can do that only once though.

Please quote it because it wasn't clear at all to me

[Jackass18]

Should I wait for the 3 ahead of me to make their picks? I'm assuming everyone would want to take a leader and army with their first round pick.

[Rizko]

It says it in the top of the PHP. I guess I should have read it, but I wasn't expecting nay pertinent information to be in it.

Kinda defeats the purpose of rounds though. It should have just been you get a leader and an army in the first round.

Speaking of that DDD why didn't you pick a leader? You had the first pick and you could have had Alexander (or any top level general) and Trojans

[Jasi]

Right, you said


number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

in the php, so that it was actually hidden in the box.

Fair then, I think we should let the first drafters complete their first pick before going on.

[DatDudeD]

ok that would make sense i wanna make it as even as possible. I will add that stip than thanks vapid could you help me contact everyone that is involved i jasi just pm'd me
Note: Leaders are able to be selected in any round now, just make sure you let me know that you are picking a leader

that is kinda vague but i dropped a round that was just to pick generals and said that they can be picked in any round. although i forgot to add the 2 for 1 but i was thinking it at the time....sorry about that

[vapid]

Whoah whoah ok if I get an army pick too I'm taking the Mongolian Horseback Archers.

And I would've taken Genghis if I knew I could pick the army at the same time, but I didn't want to limit myself with a Khan with no archers since I didn't think the archers would drop to the 2nd round.

[DatDudeD]

It says it in the top of the PHP. I guess I should have read it, but I wasn't expecting nay pertinent information to be in it.

Kinda defeats the purpose of rounds though. It should have just been you get a leader and an army in the first round.

Speaking of that DDD why didn't you pick a leader? You had the first pick and you could have had Alexander (or any top level general) and Trojans

I asked for suggestions though, sorry about that guys i should maybe have waited for more input, but it got really slow and nobody was on. so when the 8th person joined i just said f it lets start

[Rizko]

Can I slide a general into my pick? I have a general I would have taken if I had noticed what you said in the php. It's fine if you say no

[bballer]

http://www.twolia.com/blogs/zoboxrox/files/2008/12/adolf_hitler_portrait.jpg

http://asianbadger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/2stalin.GIF

http://www.atin.org/images/zamanhatti/1910_1919/Benito_Mussolini.jpg


/thread

[vapid]

I'm glad bballer showed us that his opinion was worthless after that NBA draft.

[Jackass18]

Whoah whoah ok if I get an army pick too I'm taking the Mongolian Horseback Archers.

And I would've taken Genghis if I knew I could pick the army at the same time, but I didn't want to limit myself with a Khan with no archers since I didn't think the archers would drop to the 2nd round.

Wait, can't you pick any kind of archers you want? If someone takes archers does that mean no one else can take archers?

[vapid]

Wait, can't you pick any kind of archers you want? If someone takes archers does that mean no one else can take archers?
Oh I'm sure you could take other archers, I just didn't think the Mongolian horseback archers would drop.

[bballer]

I'm glad bballer showed us that his opinion was worthless after that NBA draft.
the NBA and Wars have a lot in common...............

[vapid]

the NBA and Wars have a lot in common...............
Just in general, you're an idiot.

[Rizko]

Wait, can't you pick any kind of archers you want? If someone takes archers does that mean no one else can take archers?
You can't have Mongolian horse archers, but you can have any other type of horse archer if you want.

[DatDudeD]

Wait, can't you pick any kind of archers you want? If someone takes archers does that mean no one else can take archers?

yeah pretty much i want every army to be unique no 2 same armies

[Jasi]

Can I slide a general into my pick? I have a general I would have taken if I had noticed what you said in the php. It's fine if you say no

yeah I think you should do it, and Jackass and DatDude should do it too, so I can PM him my picks and go to freaking sleep 'cause it's freaking late here :D

[Rizko]

You can send me Vapid your picks, he already has his general and army


yeah pretty much i want every army to be unique no 2 same armies
Do you mean no one else can choose horse archers? Even if they're from a different army? More explanation is needed

[vapid]

Sorry for kind of screwing you over Jackass.

[DatDudeD]

Can I slide a general into my pick? I have a general I would have taken if I had noticed what you said in the php. It's fine if you say no

yeah go ahead and add your general pick, i will add it

[Jasi]

Do you mean no one else can choose horse archers? Even if they're from a different army? More explanation is needed

It should be possible to pick other archers units, or at least I hope so...

[DatDudeD]

Right im just gonna get my first pick out of the way.

British longbowmen (with stakes of course).

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/2939565_3503748_mywrite/dscn0856.jpg

you might want to hold onto that until its your turn.... jackass hasnt picked yet

[Jasi]

Right im just gonna get my first pick out of the way.

British longbowmen (with stakes of course).

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/2939565_3503748_mywrite/dscn0856.jpg

:wtf:
there were a couple of guys to pick before you huh

[Jackass18]

Sorry for kind of screwing you over Jackass.

If you want Khan and Mongolian horseback archers, then it's cool with me. However, I want it cleared up about what is allowed. Zabuza's pick isn't cool since it's not his turn, and I was thinking of longbowmen which is why I'm asking about different kinds of archers being allowed to be picked. Zabuza send a list to someone if you're not going to be around. I'll wait for Rizko to make his full pick before taking my turn.

[Rizko]

Hannibal Barca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal)

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/HannibalBarca.jpg

http://www.militarygenius.com/hannibal_barca_carthage_pictures_pics_images_photo s_pix_photographs_gallery/hannibal_barca_carthage_second_punic_war_rome_roma ns_2.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/Hannibal_Barca.jpg

His credentials are well known, and he has experience with Elephants, making him the perfect general for my army as it's presently constructed.

[DatDudeD]

:wtf:
there were a couple of guys to pick before you huh
no it wasnt i picked first.... i picked the trojan infantry, i think jackass still needs to pick a army he picked ghengis khan and i have lebron23's picks he pmd me earlier.

[Jasi]

no it wasnt i picked first.... i picked the trojan infantry, i think jackass still needs to pick a army he picked ghengis khan and i have lebron23's picks he pmd me earlier.

Lebron and me, so that makes two before Zabuza

[Jasi]

Hannibal Barca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal)

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/HannibalBarca.jpg

http://www.militarygenius.com/hannibal_barca_carthage_pictures_pics_images_photo s_pix_photographs_gallery/hannibal_barca_carthage_second_punic_war_rome_roma ns_2.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/Hannibal_Barca.jpg

His credentials are well known, and he has experience with Elephants, making him the perfect general for my army as it's presently constructed.

Yup, that's why I wanted to wait your pick before PMing mine (I was sure it would have been useless to add Hannibal to my list)

[bballer]

http://www.thestraightandnarrow.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/marine-snipers.jpg
These dudes would **** everyone up

[Rizko]

I'm sure they would bballer...

Do you know the time period were drafting from?

Edit: Yea Jasi. Hannibal wasn't going to stay on the board long.

[DatDudeD]

Yup, that's why I wanted to wait your pick before PMing mine (I was sure it would have been useless to add Hannibal to my list)

ok jasi who you got man ?

[Jackass18]

It's my pick. I think Vapid wants Khan and Mongolian horseback archers.

[zabuza666]

you might want to hold onto that until its your turn.... jackass hasnt picked yet

fffuuuuuuccckkkkkkk i hope no1 steals my pick, that'd be gay.

Ah well still got some more aces in the hand

[bballer]

I'm sure they would bballer...

Do you know the time period were drafting from?

Edit: Yea Jasi. Hannibal wasn't going to stay on the board long.
no i didn't read the thread

[zabuza666]

Also just quickly, are we able to pick a unit and a general in the same round?

And wtf is "the trojan army"?

[Jasi]

ok jasi who you got man ?

It's not my turn yet.
I left my picks with Vapid.
Goodnight!

EDIT: I pm them to Rizko also because Vapid seems to be offline.
DatDude, you still have to pick your leadre, that's why I don't pm them to you :D

[Jackass18]

Can I pick Richard the Lionheart as my leader and Longbowmen as the first part of my army? No, I didn't steal your pick because that's what I had in mind before you posted.

[DatDudeD]

It's not my turn yet.
I left my picks with Vapid.
Goodnight!

EDIT: I pm them to Rizko also because Vapid seems to be offline.
DatDude, you still have to pick your leadre, that's why I don't pm them to you :D

lol....i picked for lebron its your turn now, i dont know what leader i am gonna pick yet .

[DatDudeD]

Also just quickly, are we able to pick a unit and a general in the same round?

And wtf is "the trojan army"?

yeah we can pick them in the same round, i picked the trojan army infantry not the whole army

[Jackass18]

If Vapid wants Alexander the Great and Mongolian horseback archers, then do I get Genghis Khan and Longbowmen? I'm sorry, but this is disorganized and a bit confusing.

[Rizko]

I have Jasi's picks, but we need to get all the other picks established.

DDD = Trojan infantry (Did troy ever have renowned infantry? I always thought most of what we know about troy came from the Illiad)

Vapid = Alex and Mongolians Horse Archers

Me = Hannibal and Elephants

Jackass = ghengis khan or Richard and longbows

LeBron = Ceaser and Egyptian army (Needs to state which time period he chose from. Old Eygept or ptolemaic egypt)

[DatDudeD]

Can I pick Richard the Lionheart as my leader and Longbowmen as the first part of my army? No, I didn't steal your pick because that's what I had in mind before you posted.

you are giving up ghengis khan for richard the lionhart and the longbowmen

[DatDudeD]

I have Jasi's picks, but we need to get all the other picks established.

DDD = Trojan infantry

Vapid = Alex and Mongolians Horse Archers

Me = Hannibal and Elephants

Jackass = ghengis khan or Richard and longbows

LeBron = Ceaser and Egyptian army

yeah ok i have decided on picking sun tzu "mr art of war" himself

[DatDudeD]

If Vapid wants Alexander the Great and Mongolian horseback archers, then do I get Genghis Khan and Longbowmen? I'm sorry, but this is disorganized and a bit confusing.

Yeah it is yes vapid gets those picks and u get yours. so we should be pretty clear about that now. go ahead and post jasi picks vapid

[Jackass18]

Screw it, I'll go with Genghis and Longbowmen.

[Rizko]

New rule we should add. No vague picks like "Egyptian army". The army of Egypt isn't static. In different time periods they had different types of soldiers fighting for them. You have to be specific.

War Elephants we used in many armies and they were basically used the same way, so I chose the S. East Asian elephants who were bigger then N. African elephants (not sub-Saharan) and able to hold riders

[DatDudeD]

New rule we should add. No vague picks like "Egyptian army". The army of Egypt isn't static. In different time periods they had different types of soldiers fighting for them. You have to be specific.

War Elephants we used in many armies and they were basically used the same way, so I chose the S. East Asian elephants who were bigger then N. African elephants (not sub-Saharan) and able to hold riders

It seems to be more like picking parts of armies and making 1 super army than picking actual whole armies, which is fine by me. yeah people need to be specific about what parts of the army and from what army, i think this would go a lot smoother, sorry that we are throwing out these ideas at this time none of this really came to me til we actually started.

[Rizko]

Jasi picks Charles Martel and Theban Oblique Phalanx (very specific pick)

[Jackass18]

Can you change the php to reflect my picks of Genghis Khan and Longbowmen?

[DatDudeD]

Can you change the php to reflect my picks of Genghis Khan and Longbowmen?

i did i have 2 seperate windows open keeping track of who picks who, ok i will add jasi's picks

[Jackass18]

I think it would work best if you put the php into the 1st post of this thread.

[DatDudeD]

I think it would work best if you put the php into the 1st post of this thread.

lol...yeah i see that now, is there a way i can move it to the 1st post. This is my first time running a draft as you can see...... a lot to learn on my part:D

[DatDudeD]

Knickballer is up next i am not sure he is online right now, i am gonna pm him

[Jackass18]

Just edit the first post and add it in.

[Jackass18]

Ok we are gonna start the draft now

setting: open grass field
number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

Round 1

1 DatDudeD- Trojan infantry, sun tzu chinese general
2 vapid- alexander the great, mongolian horseback archers
3 Rizko- war elephants (he hasnt specified which army though), Hannibal barca
4 Jackass- Genghis Khan and longbowmen
5 Lebron23-Julius ceasar,egyptian army (he didnt specify what part of the army i am gonna assume infantry
6 Jasi- charles martel,theban olique phalanx
7 Knickballer
8 Zabusa666

Round 2

8 Zabusa
7 Knickballer
6 Jasi
5 lebron23
4 Jackass
3 Rizko
2 Vapid
1 DatDudeD

Round 3

1 Lebron23
2 Jackass
3 Rizko
4 Vapid
5 DatDudeD
6 zabusa666
7 Knickballer
8 Jasi

Round 4

1 Jasi
2 Knickballer
3 Zabusa666
4 Jackass
5 Rizko
6 Lebron23
7 DatDudeD
8 Vapid



You can just C&P it into the first post.

[bballer]

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Who-Are-the-Australian-Aborigines-3.jpeg

[bballer]

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/gladiator-movie-russell-crowe.jpg

[Rizko]

bballer leave the thread.

[DatDudeD]

knickballler isnt on i dont think

[DatDudeD]

how long should we wait for knickballer ???

[Rizko]

how long should we wait for knickballer ???
Generally 6-8 hours.

[DatDudeD]

Generally 6-8 hours.

ok cool, the draft just stalled....lol

[sunsfan1357]

I usually enjoy following the draft threads, especially those involving historical figures, because I always learn a few things. This one though just seems pretty disorganized and really short.

[Rizko]

I usually enjoy following the draft threads, especially those involving historical figures, because I always learn a few things. This one though just seems pretty disorganized and really short.
How I feel.

Not to be a dick BTW. DDD is hosting his first draft so obviously it is going to be bumpy. I jst don't think DDD had as completely developed idea before he made the thread and were making the rules on the fly. It should work out though.

[DatDudeD]

How I feel.

Not to be a dick BTW. DDD is hosting his first draft so obviously it is going to be bumpy. I jst don't think DDD had as completely developed idea before he made the thread and were making the rules on the fly. It should work out though.

yeah man i am a virgin when it comes to this draft thing, There were a lot of things that i didnt consider along the way while making the draft, i did offer for people to put in there input which people have helped and i appreciate that. I think once we get all the picks and get into the matchups things will smooth out.

[vapid]

:oldlol: Lebron obviously picks a terrible first round pick again. I doubt I'm going to let him in my next draft. Egyptian Army?

Also Sun Tzu is going to lead your army DDD? Not much evidence that he did anything on the battlefield.

[Jasi]

I thank Rizko for mentioning my picks.

To keep things going while Americans sleep, I'll give you the pics and some words on them.

http://www.fmboschetto.it/Utopiaucronia/Francia_Italia/Carlo_Martello.jpg
Charles Martel is best remembered for stopping the Muslim invasion of Europe in Poitiers (732 AD), brilliantly leading troops of Franks and Carolingians who were not only hugely outnumbered by the Moorish army but that also lacked a cavalry.



http://image.forumfree.it/8/7/6/8/1/3/1210517998.jpg

The Theban oblique phalanx is the refinement of the traditional greek phalanx. An effective formation of heavy infrantry conceived by the Theban Epaminondas, it ranks among the most important military innovations, that later inspires Philip II of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great.

[knickballer]

I hope I'm doing this right..

King Leonidas, and his crazy ass Spartans..

[vapid]

So....

[Abd El-Krim]

Screw it, I'll go with Genghis and Longbowmen.

:oldlol:

[zabuza666]

Right so knickballer made his pick, so I'll go with: -

Joan of Arc

http://historyissexy.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/svjoan_narrowweb__300x3750.jpg

Late Medieval Period French Chevaliers

http://callitaweasel.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/charge-french-knights.jpg

[vapid]

You get another pick.

[bballer]

http://fistfightatthearthouse.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/24_ninjas_lgl.jpg

[zabuza666]

You get another pick.

Oh cool im first in the 2nd round, ill need time to think though.

Just quickly what's the deal once we've picked our armies? I figured we'd explain deployment and then some general tactic outlines and let other people vote on who'd win.

Also my other query is how do you decide unit size? Does the amount of men you pick affect how many you get, and if yes what are the numbers like?

[rezznor]

i'll do breakdowns later

[Lebron23]

The Egyptian Army were actually my 4th choice after the Roman Army, Mongolian Army, and Hannibal's Army. ( Contingency Lists)

[rezznor]

there's a special unit out there that i'm real fond of. i hope someone picks them up

[zabuza666]

Ok my next pick is: -

[SIZE="7"][B][I][U][U]The Garde

[Rizko]

The Egyptian Army were actually my 4th choice after the Roman Army, Mongolian Army, and Hannibal's Army. ( Contingency Lists)
Dude wtf is "Egyptian Army, Roman Army, Mongolian Army, and Hannibal's Army"
Your supposed to choose specific military units, all these armies used different types of soldiers (archers, infantry, cavalry) at different time periods.

You chose Egyptian army so choose a specific military unit from it.

[Rizko]

[PHP]Ok we are gonna start the draft now

setting: open grass field
number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

Round 1

1 DatDudeD- Trojan infantry, Sun Tzu
2 vapid- Alexander the Great, Mongolian Horseback Archers
3 Rizko- S. East Asian War Elephants, Hannibal Barca
4 Jackass- Genghis Khan, Longbowmen
5 Lebron23-Julius ceasar,egyptian army (he didnt specify what part of the army i am gonna assume infantry)
6 Jasi- Charles Martel,Theban Olique Phalanx
7 Knickballer King Leonidas, Spartan Hoplite
8 Zabusa666 Joan of Arc, Late Medieval Period French Chevaliers

Round 2

8 Zabusa The Garde

[Lebron23]

Dude wtf is "Egyptian Army, Roman Army, Mongolian Army, and Hannibal's Army"
Your supposed to choose specific military units, all these armies used different types of soldiers (archers, infantry, cavalry) at different time periods.

You chose Egyptian army so choose a specific military unit from it.


INFANTRY DIVISION

[zabuza666]

INFANTRY DIVISION

Wtf is the infantry division? Be specific.

[Rizko]

INFANTRY DIVISION
Dude armys aren't static. Are you talking about Old Kingdom Egypt? Middle Kingdom? New Kingdom? Ptolemaic Dynasty? Roman Rule Egypt? Islamic Egypt?

[vapid]

I will reiterate that it was a mistake to let lebron23 in the draft.

[Lebron23]

Dude armys aren't static. Are you talking about Old Kingdom Egypt? Middle Kingdom? New Kingdom? Ptolemaic Dynasty? Roman Rule Egypt? Islamic Egypt?

Ptolemaic Dynasty

[Rizko]

Ptolemaic Dynasty
Okay so basically you want a Macedonian-style deep phalanx formation.

The Ptolemaic army had trouble fielding enough troops because they only used Greco-Macedonians to form their army, no native Egyptians

Read here: Ptolemaic army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Army)

[Jackass18]

What happened to your nice Tagalog insult?

[Lebron23]

What happened to your nice Tagalog insult?


I am really sorry. I couldn't control my temper. I apologize to all the participants in this tournament.

[Jasi]

Zabuza's next, if I'm not mistaken.

[Jackass18]

He already picked. Knickballer was up, but his 8 hours ended at 4:30, so you're up.

[Jasi]

Ok.
I'll go with the Macedon Companion Cavalry.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Battle_of_Issus.jpg/800px-Battle_of_Issus.jpg


The Companions (Greek: ἑταῖροι, hetairoi) were the elite cavalry of the Macedonian army from the time of king Philip II of Macedon and reached the most prestige under Alexander the Great, and have been regarded as the best cavalry in the ancient world and the first shock cavalry. (wiki)

[zabuza666]

Just quickly, but why are people picking armies from the bronze age etc.

not really fair to put them up against Medieval forces

[Jasi]

Just quickly, but why are people picking armies from the bronze age etc.

not really fair to put them up against Medieval forces

Well between the start of the use of metal and the discovery of firearms, weapons have been essentially the same.
Daggers, swords, spears, bows... with armours and shields.

[zabuza666]

Well between the start of the use of metal and the discovery of firearms, weapons have been essentially the same.
Daggers, swords, spears, bows... with armours and shields.

Medieval = Tempered steel

Macedonia = Bronze age

You tell me who wins :banana:

[Jasi]

Medieval = Tempered steel

Macedonia = Bronze age

You tell me who wins :banana:

I'm not sure what you mean by Bronze Age... Iron weapons are present since well before Alexander the Great. And medieval weapons are all made of steel, sure?

[Jackass18]

Lebron wants Thessalian Cavalry. You only get 1 leader, so you don't need a list of more leaders.

Sorry, I'm out of it today and can't think straight. I'm going with Mongolian Heavy Cavalry.

[zabuza666]

Just quickly, can you change my first round pick to "Gendarme". It's the exact same thing, just more specific thus avoiding confusion.

[Rizko]

Marian reform Roman Legions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_legion)

http://www.accidentsurveys.com/images/Origin/soldiers.jpg

http://www.lore-and-saga.co.uk/assets/images/Legion1.JPG

http://www.stcolmcilles.org/pupil%20zone/Roman%20Webpages/Images/Marching%20Army.jpg

[Rizko]

[PHP]Ok we are gonna start the draft now

setting: open grass field
number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

Round 1

1 DatDudeD- Trojan infantry, Sun Tzu
2 vapid- Alexander the Great, Mongolian Horseback Archers
3 Rizko- S. East Asian War Elephants, Hannibal Barca
4 Jackass- Genghis Khan, Longbowmen
5 Lebron23-Julius ceasar, Macedonian-style deep phalanx formation
6 Jasi- Charles Martel,Theban Olique Phalanx
7 Knickballer- King Leonidas, Spartan Hoplite
8 Zabusa666- Joan of Arc, Gendarme

Round 2

8 Zabusa- The Garde

[zabuza666]

Marian reform Roman Legions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_legion)

http://www.accidentsurveys.com/images/Origin/soldiers.jpg

http://www.lore-and-saga.co.uk/assets/images/Legion1.JPG

http://www.stcolmcilles.org/pupil%20zone/Roman%20Webpages/Images/Marching%20Army.jpg

Damnit I really wanted them as my infantry line. ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

GG anyone who took a phalanx


Edit: Also Rizko, can you change my first round pick to "Gendarme". It's the same thing, just more precise so it means there's no confusion

[Abd El-Krim]

GG anyone who took a phalanx



:oldlol: for reals.

[Rizko]

Damnit I really wanted them as my infantry line. ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

GG anyone who took a phalanx


Edit: Also Rizko, can you change my first round pick to "Gendarme". It's the same thing, just more precise so it means there's no confusion
No Problem.

I took the Legions for 2 reasons. They will give me a great advantage over the people who chose phalanx/hoplite troops the versatility they have. For people using horse archers I can use the Testudo formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testudo_formation) I'm surprised that they fell this far. I figured they would be taken in the late 1st early-2nd round. Someone can still pick up the pre-marian reform legion though.

I think my army is shaping up. I have war elephants, roman legion and they're being lead by Hannibal who is one of history's best generals.

[zabuza666]

No Problem.

I took the Legions for 2 reasons. They will give me a great advantage over the people who chose phalanx/hoplite troops the versatility they have. For people using horse archers I can use the Testudo formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testudo_formation) I'm surprised that they fell this far. I figured they would be taken in the late 1st early-2nd round. Someone can still pick up the pre-marian reform legion though.

I think my army is shaping up. I have war elephants, roman legion and they're being lead by Hannibal who is one of history's best generals.

Thanks.

Also be wary with Testudo formation, has massive drawbacks. Also pre-marian were nowhere near as good as post-marian ones; so taking them and being matched against you isn't a good thing.

[Rizko]

Thanks.

Also be wary with Testudo formation, has massive drawbacks. Also pre-marian were nowhere near as good as post-marian ones; so taking them and being matched against you isn't a good thing.
Yea Testudo would only be used against people with archer/ranged based army's, not a normal formation.

Pre-marian would be an aight last round pick-up. Not nearly as good, but they aren't horrible either.

[zabuza666]

Yea Testudo would only be used against people with archer/ranged based army's, not a normal formation.

Pre-marian would be an aight last round pick-up. Not nearly as good, but they aren't horrible either.

I'll stick with my Garde :P

[sawyersauce]

No Problem.

I took the Legions for 2 reasons. They will give me a great advantage over the people who chose phalanx/hoplite troops the versatility they have. For people using horse archers I can use the Testudo formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testudo_formation) I'm surprised that they fell this far. I figured they would be taken in the late 1st early-2nd round. Someone can still pick up the pre-marian reform legion though.

I think my army is shaping up. I have war elephants, roman legion and they're being lead by Hannibal who is one of history's best generals.

The post-Gaius Marius Roman Army probably has the most versatile, mobile and self sufficent infantry in history. The fact that all their troop were trained as builders and carpenters gave them a massive advantage. There are stories of enemy commanders scouting out a battlefield and coming up with a plan - But when they rocked up to fight the next day, the Romans had built a bridge over the river, a fort to retreat to and sometimes dug cannals to extend natural water formations - changing the landscape and completely screwing up the battle-plan.

[vapid]

Muromachi Period Samurai

http://www.norfolkjujitsu.co.uk/images/jjhistory/watamaro.jpg

Can be used as horse archers, heavy infantry or cavalry.

[Jasi]

I'll stick with my Garde :P

I don't mean to be a d!ck, but when is your Garde exactly from?

[knickballer]

I'm making up for my lost pick

Greek phalanx if it isn't chosen yet.

[Lebron23]

DatDudeD is on the clock.

[Jackass18]

DatDude has been on the clock since 7am. I think it's safe to say that he's skipped and you're up, Lebron.

[Rizko]

DatDude has been on the clock since 7am. I think it's safe to say that he's skipped and you're up, Lebron.
Datdude set up the PHP weird. Normally the list goes in reverse order from the previous round, which would mean that Vapid is up to draft with me right after him, but he made Lebron the first draftee this round, you second and me third then Vapid 4th. I'm not sure why he did it, but it seems almost unfair. :confusedshrug: :ohwell:

[Jackass18]

I don't know what he did, but he screwed himself the most.

[zabuza666]

I don't mean to be a d!ck, but when is your Garde exactly from?

Late medeival, they're also called the scots guard. They're late medieval dudes who joined france to fight against the english

[Lebron23]

Genoese Crossbowmen


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Battle_of_Crecy_%28crossbowmen%29.jpg

http://totalwar.honga.net/images/medieval2/m2tw/unit_info/milan/genoese_crossbow_militia_info.png



were a famous military corps of the Middle Ages, which acted both in defence of the Italian city of Genoa, and as mercenaries for other Italian or European powers.

Armed with crossbows made in Genoa by the Balistai corporation, they fought both on land and in naval battles; notable cases of the latter are the battles of Meloria and Curzola. They came also from other parts of Liguria, but were trained and organized in Genoa.

Apart from the crossbow, they were equipped with a dagger, a light metal helmet, a gorget, a hauberk and a large shield, called a pavese (pavise), which was used while reloading the crossbow. A groom often supported the shield during the reloading. Commanders of the companies usually came from the noble families of the city.

The Genoese crossbowmen came to prominence during the First Crusade, when the Genoese commander Guglielmo Embriaco used them in the course of the siege of Jerusalem, and again at the Battle of Jaffa in 1192 during the Third Crusade. The Genoese crossbowmen remained one of the most respected military corps until the 16th century, well after the introduction of black powder weapons in Europe.

[vapid]

How did I get totally screwed on the PHP? WTF?

[Rizko]

It's how Datdude set it up, the 1st 2 rounds were normal then the last 2 he just put random names in random spots. IDK why he did it like that. You got it even worse in the last round.

Jackass, me then vapid are all online so we'll get through a few picks.

[vapid]

lol random wtf.

[Jasi]

Late medeival, they're also called the scots guard. They're late medieval dudes who joined france to fight against the english

If they are those from the XV century, I am afraid they don't belong in here...

[zabuza666]

If they are those from the XV century, I am afraid they don't belong in here...

They were incepted in 1418, and gunpowder didn't become prominent till the late 15th century.

So i can't see how they're illegal, they don't use gunpowder or anything

[Jackass18]

If they're fine, then I take Stratioti.

[Jasi]

They were incepted in 1418, and gunpowder didn't become prominent till the late 15th century.

So i can't see how they're illegal, they don't use gunpowder or anything

Cannons were surely used in the battle of Cr

[zabuza666]

[QUOTE=Jasi]Cannons were surely used in the battle of Cr

[Jasi]

TBH I think you're reaching dude, the Scots guard were simply armoured swing troops, and it's not like they have some massive advantage over other medieval infantry.

I know, they don't.
They don't meet the threshold but that happens without any particular advantage: that's why I'm asking for a commish (?) decision.
If there was an advantage, there wouldn't even be the need for a commish decision.

[Lebron23]

Jackass is on the clock.

[Rizko]

Equites (http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/rome/p/equites.htm) Sagittarii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarii) Clibanarii

This essentially means cataphract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataphract) archers

[Jackass18]

What happened to DatDude? He hasn't posted in here in 3 and a half days. Why start a draft if you're not going to be there to run it?

[Jasi]

Should we put this draft in compulsory administration? :oldlol:

[Rizko]

[PHP]Ok we are gonna start the draft now

setting: open grass field
number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

Round 1

1 DatDudeD- Trojan infantry, Sun Tzu
2 vapid- Alexander the Great, Mongolian Horseback Archers
3 Rizko- S. East Asian War Elephants, Hannibal Barca
4 Jackass- Genghis Khan, Longbowmen
5 Lebron23-Julius ceasar, Macedonian-style deep phalanx formation
6 Jasi- Charles Martel,Theban Olique Phalanx
7 Knickballer- King Leonidas, Spartan Hoplite
8 Zabusa666- Joan of Arc, Gendarme

Round 2

8 Zabusa- The Garde

[Jasi]

Vapid's up, if this draft's still alive.

[vapid]

The Mamluk

http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/mameluke1.jpg

Since they've been consistently been part of Persian/Turkish military I'll just take whatever form they were in before they started using gunpowder.

[Rizko]

[QUOTE=Rizko][PHP]Ok we are gonna start the draft now

setting: open grass field
number of round- 4
you can pick you leader in any round make sure you say you are gonna pick a leader that way you can pick a leader and a army so we dont have to add another round
(only pre-gunpowder armies)

Round 1

1 DatDudeD- Trojan infantry, Sun Tzu
2 vapid- Alexander the Great, Mongolian Horseback Archers
3 Rizko- S. East Asian War Elephants, Hannibal Barca
4 Jackass- Genghis Khan, Longbowmen
5 Lebron23-Julius ceasar, Macedonian-style deep phalanx formation
6 Jasi- Charles Martel,Theban Olique Phalanx
7 Knickballer- King Leonidas, Spartan Hoplite
8 Zabusa666- Joan of Arc, Gendarme

Round 2

8 Zabusa- The Garde

[Jasi]

Zabusa can pick...

[Jackass18]

DatDude seemed to have abandoned this. Someone else should take over.

[Jasi]

Actually, we can go on independently.
There are only 4 rounds, it would be ridiculous to not finish it :D

Zabusa is up, until 8.40 Eastern time