Blake Griffin or John Wall: who would you pick?

[lbj4kb8]

If both of these players were in this year's draft, who would you take with the number 1 pick? Who do you think would be considered number 1?

[Sarcastic]

John Wall.

[J23]

Blake Griffin.

[rfm767]

Blake Wall.

[noob cake]

Blake Griffin

John Wall is vastly overrated. There are quite a few better pros in the draft, ie Turner, Monroe.

[scott0326]

John Wall

[KNOW1EDGE]

every gm in the league would take John Wall without hesitation.:hammerhead:

[ROCSteady]

John Wall is a much more unique prospect. Can't eait to see him play at VERIZON

[CHi1PriDe]

Mr. Griffin, since the bulls dont need a PG.

[dirkdiggler41]

I have to go with the big man. Players like him comes rarely, but my impression is that he is more of face up player and not a back to the basket player, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I got a feeling that Wall got more potential, but time will show, he might even be overrated by scouts becaus of his height compared to other pointguards.

Blake Griffin for me.

[plowking]

Blake Griffin is a glorified Drew Gooden.

[Broadway3]

Blake Griffin. He looks pretty good. By the way, good thread.

[Lebron23]

I'd take a healthy Blake Griffin over John Wall.

[GregOstertag]

IMO they both have immense potential, with Wall probably having a bit more. However, I'd take the great big man ANY day of the week. Griffin for me.

[Bcogswell]

John Wall.

[entropy35]

JW

[Se]

Depends on need.

For the 14 lottery teams, this is who I would draft I I had the number 1 pick:

Washington - John Wall (Arenas doesn't have a future in Washington, or as a 2-guard)

Philadelphia - Blake Griffin (Holiday is too good of a prospect to draf tWall over Griffin)

New Jersey - John Wall (due to being able to get a good power forward for Harris)

Minnesota - John Wall (Jefferson and Love already at power forward here)

Sacramento - Blake Griffin (Wall and Evans is a ball dominant back court)

Golden-State - Blake Griffin (Already have two great point guard)

Detroit - Either player would be okay. They suck at PG and PF

LA Clippers - Griffin

Utah - Griffin (Boozer is as good as gone)

Indiana - Wall (they have a huge need for a point guard)

New Orleans - Griffin (they have 2 excellent point guards, and West doesn't have the potential of Griffin)

Memphis - Wall (Conley is not the answer. Griffin would be redundant with Gasol, Thabeet and Randolph around)

Toronto - Wall (They need a superstar in the back court that can score and create for others. Griffin and Bargnani would be a bad combo)

Houston - Either

So the vote for me was 7-7..... right down the middle.

[alexthegr8]

Blake Griffin

John Wall is vastly overrated. There are quite a few better pros in the draft, ie Turner, Monroe.

I disagree vehemently with this (although I do like Turner and Monroe a lot.)

John Wall for me.

[GOBB]

John Wall. Regardless if he pans out or not? He will affect fan attendance and media attention unlike Griffin.

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[CelticBaller]

John Wall. Blake is an injury prone they clippers should know it :hammerhead:

[ShaqAttack3234]

Can't say I've really seen Wall play, but Griffin is an overrated prospect, IMO. Yeah, he's really athletic, but he doesn't have much of a jump shot or post moves, he's a poor free throw shooter and he's not a shot blocker so he won't have the defensive impact that a franchise big man like an Olajuwon, Ewing, Mourning or Duncan does.

[Myth]

At this point I would take Wall.

[Se]

You realize if Sixers won the lottery they would be drafting John Wall?

I do know that, but there is no Blake Griffin in this year's draft.

The OP is assuming that they both came out the same year, so let's say that Griffin is a sophomore coming out in this year's draft (and doesn't suffer the freak injury during pre-season). The 76ers would love to add Blake Griffin to their current team. He's a better fit than Wall.

[Se]

John Wall. Blake is an injury prone they clippers should know it :hammerhead:

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[GOBB]

[QUOTE=Se

[Se]

Sixers would not draft Blake Griffin over John Wall. Period.

Explain why.

Holiday is a highly touted rookie at point guard. He's a great defender who projects to be an excellent one. His outside shot is more developed than most people thought at the draft. He's a very good play maker.
Wall and Holiday can't play together for long stretches.

At power forward, you got a gimpy old Elton Brand.
On the other hand, Blake Griffin would be a great fit with the 76ers, in an up-tempo offense.
Imagine - Dalembert grabs rebound, passes to Holiday who initiates the break, with Young and Igoudala on a wing each, with Griffin trailing.

Eventually, the 76ers could have aimed to have a line-up of:
CT: Dalembert (or some other center, they can trade his expirer for someone decent)
PF: Griffin/ Brand
SF: Igoudala/ Young (6th man role)
SG: Xavier Henry type of player acquired through the draft
PG: Holiday

[SCdac]

Can't say I've really seen Wall play, but Griffin is an overrated prospect, IMO. Yeah, he's really athletic, but he doesn't have much of a jump shot or post moves, he's a poor free throw shooter and he's not a shot blocker so he won't have the defensive impact that a franchise big man like an Olajuwon, Ewing, Mourning or Duncan does.

You think he's an overrated "prospect", really? He's one of the most NBA ready players of that draft class. Charles Barkley and Karl Malone weren't big shot blockers out there, yet they are some all-time greats at their position (and Griffin is a power forward more reminiscent to them, not so much a 7 foot back-to-the-basket player). He's going to be playing next to Chris Kaman, so shot blocking won't be his job solely. Griffin averaged a solid 22.7 PPG in a pretty low scoring college game, easily became the #1 pick. He's not a great FT shooter, but he won't be incapable of getting to the line ALOT I think, and at times hitting 4-5, 9-13 of them. He'll average a couple of dimes at least too. Off the top of my head, he's going to be better than both Micheal Beasley and LaMarcus Aldridge IMO, despite both of them being sort of jump-shooting bigmen.

[GOBB]

[QUOTE=Se

[OnceInADECADE]

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[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=Se

[SCdac]

league needs more of this from the 2009 #1 pick :rockon:

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[Se]

John Wall is Allen Iverson part 2. In terms of franchise impact when it comes to attendance, sales, face of the franchise. There is no one on the roster that has the appeal and marketability of a John Wall.

*entire city of Brother Love does the John Wall dance*

Give me the talent over need. And give me the better "draw" while you're at it. Sixers did that with Allen Iverson. You do it again with John Wall. Ya dig? :pimp:

I see what you're saying, but if Wall flops, and they trade Holiday for it to happen and he blows up, the front office are as good as gone. I think Wall is more of a swing for the fences than Griffin. Wall definitely has the higher potential, but Griffin is the more sure pick in my eyes and he fills a need.

[KB24]

blake, cant tech size :lol

[ShaqAttack3234]

You think he's an overrated "prospect", really? He's one of the most NBA ready players of that draft class. Charles Barkley and Karl Malone weren't big shot blockers out there, yet they are some all-time greats at their position (and Griffin is a power forward more reminiscent to them, not so much a 7 foot back-to-the-basket player). He's going to be playing next to Chris Kaman, so shot blocking won't be his job solely. Griffin averaged a solid 22.7 PPG in a pretty low scoring college game, easily became the #1 pick. He's not a great FT shooter, but he won't be incapable of getting to the line ALOT I think, and at times hitting 4-5, 9-13 of them. He'll average a couple of dimes at least too. Off the top of my head, he's going to be better than both Micheal Beasley and LaMarcus Aldridge IMO, despite both of them being sort of jump-shooting bigmen.

My point was, I don't think he's a particularly skilled offensive player and I don't see him being a dominant defender who can make up for that. He'll score some based on athleticism alone, but a lot of that depends on playing with a great playmaker.

I've never viewed Beasley as a real big man, more of a tweener. I never saw him as the double digit rebounder some projected him as nor do I view him as a number 1 pick type talent. Aldridge is nowhere close to what I'd want out of a number 1 pick. I think he could be effective alongside a healthy Greg Oden, but I'm not a big Aldridge fan.

Not saying Griffin couldn't be better than those guys, but I think he's very raw offensively. Rookie season, I see Griffin as basically a 13/8 type player max, maybe 18/10 eventually. Wouldn't rule out 20/10, but I don't see it as a franchise player type 20/10.

[Darius]

Wall has a bigger opportunity to remake a franchise.

Griffin is a pretty unique player IMO. Pretty much an extreme hustle player in a superstar body.

I think he can be very good but I need to see how his uniqueness translates to the NBA.

John Wall has more of a typical superstar NBA game.

[fatboy11]

Living in the moment, give me the guy that hasn't had knee surgery.

In a fantasy world in which Blake Griffin never blew his knee out, I'd have to think hard about it. I might lean towards BG if he hadn't of blown out his knee.

[SCdac]

My point was, I don't think he's a particularly skilled offensive player and I don't see him being a dominant defender who can make up for that. He'll score some based on athleticism alone, but a lot of that depends on playing with a great playmaker.

I've never viewed Beasley as a real big man, more of a tweener. I never saw him as the double digit rebounder some projected him as nor do I view him as a number 1 pick type talent. Aldridge is nowhere close to what I'd want out of a number 1 pick. I think he could be effective alongside a healthy Greg Oden, but I'm not a big Aldridge fan.

Not saying Griffin couldn't be better than those guys, but I think he's very raw offensively. Rookie season, I see Griffin as basically a 13/8 type player max, maybe 18/10 eventually. Wouldn't rule out 20/10, but I don't see it as a franchise player type 20/10.

Right on...

I disagree though, I hate talking numbers, but his rookie season I think he'll be closer to a 14-15 and 8-10 ..... but that was last season, I really don't know when, how, and at what rate, the Clippers plan to integrate him into their offense. I don't even know what his status is. But assuming he had never gotten injured and/or he's ok, he was going to have/is still going to have a decent rookie season (imo), but I don't think he's as raw as you think he is (he'll need to work on things for sure, but he's really good right now). He's got excellent ball handling skills for a big man, footwork, and offensive touch, in today's league I can see him getting to the rim routinely, and creating for others off the dribble more so than somebody like Amare or Howard is capable of (ie. it'll open things up for him when he can regularly find the open players). He doesn't have the greatest range, but his shot doesn't look all-out flawed, he can hit 10-15 footers. If players like Corey Brewer, Jason Thompson, Andray Blatche can score in the 12-14 PPG range today, I can definitely see the talented Griffin doing it, and more. I'm not saying it'll go hand-in-hand with winning a championship, but the Clipps would certainly improve from 29 wins, IMO.

[Darius]

Living in the moment, give me the guy that hasn't had knee surgery.

In a fantasy world in which Blake Griffin never blew his knee out, I'd have to think hard about it. I might lean towards BG if he hadn't of blown out his knee.

"Blown out his knee" is rather extreme. Supposedly there will be no long term effects from the surgery.

[fatboy11]

"Blown out his knee" is rather extreme. Supposedly there will be no long term effects from the surgery.
He missed an entire year due to knee surgery. Color me skeptical.

Seeing is believing.

[Tito Beasley]

every gm in the league would take John Wall without hesitation.:hammerhead:


you are much retard. i like you. i like sex.

[pumpinbullets23]

I would certainly pick John Wall. At his size and position, Wall plays as if he could play any position. His ability to pass, shoot, dunk, and handling definatley overpowers Griffin anyday. Well, this might be a better way to look at it:

Handling
Wall>Griffin
Quickness
Wall>Griffin
Pass
Wall>Griffin
Shot
Wall>Griffin
Inside Game
Wall=Griffin
Outside Game
Wall>Griffin

Most of the skills a player needs, Wall is better at. I'm not saying Griffin doesn't have any of those skills, its just Wall is better at them.

[RoseCity07]

Blake Griffen. I just don't know how John Wall is going to pan out.

I know Blake Griffen is NBA ready, and is a beast.

[Rowe]

He missed an entire year due to knee surgery. Color me skeptical.

Seeing is believing.
He missed an entire year because he needed to heal his broken kneecap. They weren't planning on competing for a Playoff spot this season so they had no real need to play him and potentially injure the knee more similar to Amare in 06' with Phoenix and Gilbert in 08' with Washington. He didn't really blow his knee out, a more catostrophic injury would be a torn ACL or MCL.

Give me Griffin over Wall.

[Sarcastic]

Blake Griffen. I just don't know how John Wall is going to pan out.

I know Blake Griffen is NBA ready, and is a beast.

How do you know Griffin is NBA ready when he hasn't played an NBA game yet?

[fatboy11]

He missed an entire year because he needed to heal his broken kneecap. They weren't planning on competing for a Playoff spot this season so they had no real need to play him and potentially injure the knee more similar to Amare in 06' with Phoenix and Gilbert in 08' with Washington. He didn't really blow his knee out, a more catostrophic injury would be a torn ACL or MCL.

Give me Griffin over Wall.Again, seeing is believing.

Sorry, I'm not budging. :confusedshrug:

[Qwyjibo]

If I'm starting a team from scratch? John Wall.

In almost any other situation? John Wall as well. The only time I wouldn't take Wall is if already had someone like Chris Paul or Deron Williams already on the team.

Wall, IMO, has a higher talent ceiling and a better chance of reaching it than Griffin.

[Dasher]

I would still take Blake. Good point guard prospects are a dime a dozen in today's NBA. I also do not see what everyone else sees in Wall.

[Sarcastic]

Should be interesting next year when they both get to battle it out for Rookie of the Year. My bet is John Wall wins it. I see him putting up 20ppg and 7 apg.

[ShoeGuy]

John Wall

Drafting 101...always pick C's and PG's

[RoseCity07]

How do you know Griffin is NBA ready when he hasn't played an NBA game yet?

I've seen him play in pre season. He doesn't even look like he is trying out there, his game is effortless.

But still, maybe I'd take John Wall. It's be a hard choice. I'd have to see them in some workouts.

[JustinJDW]

I would still take Blake. Good point guard prospects are a dime a dozen in today's NBA. I also do not see what everyone else sees in Wall.This x100.

I would take Griffin over Wall easily.

[Rowe]

This x100.

I would take Griffin over Wall easily.
I gotta third that from Dasher.

Almost every year since 2002 there has been a "Cant Miss" PG prospect due to their potential upside or due to their NBA readyness.

The same can be said for the next 2 drafts.

11: Knight
12: Rivers

[T-Low]

I would take Griffin...Wall I believe is being overhyped to the fact where he will play well, but just not up to "standards"...especially "ISH standards"...

[Swaggin916]

If I had a need at both positions... I'd honestly probably flip a coin.

[lakerfreak]

This has become a point guard league. You will find many above average point guards doing very well.

With that being said, big men that play very well are a luxury and I would select blake griffin as I can find a good point guard anywhere else.

[Go Getter]

Should be interesting next year when they both get to battle it out for Rookie of the Year. My bet is John Wall wins it. I see him putting up 20ppg and 7 apg.


You have got to be kidding (or using sarcasm).

[Qwyjibo]

You have got to be kidding (or using sarcasm).
He could do it.

He'll start immediately, likely get huge minutes and handle the ball more than anyone on that team. Saying "20 & 7" alone doesn't make it a good season though. If he's getting that in say 36 mpg and on poor efficiency then it's not all that impressive.

[DC Zephyrs]

I really like Griffin, but I think Wall has more "franchise player" potential.

[Go Getter]

He could do it.

He'll start immediately, likely get huge minutes and handle the ball more than anyone on that team. Saying "20 & 7" alone doesn't make it a good season though. If he's getting that in say 36 mpg and on poor efficiency then it's not all that impressive.


The seven assists I could see but I'm definitely not seeing 20 points a game from a rookie who A.) isn't a high percentage scorer necessarily B.) Doesn't have great range C.) Isn't a big.

I would bet big [in Vegas] that he doesn't average 20 ppg.

Oh yeah...I would pick Wall over Blake...the knee thing scares me.

[PowerGlove]

Trade.

Seriously, the obvious answer is wall since he is injury free, but both are unproven.

[brooks_thompson]

wall @ 20 pts? he still has arenas on the team.

[Go Getter]

wall @ 20 pts? he still has arenas on the team.


Even without Arenas a rookie scoring 20 ppg is highly unlikely.

There MUST be something about Wall I'm not seeing because he doesn't strike me as the best scoring rookie since Jordan. [just an example, I don't remember the last rookie to average 20 ppg]

[Yung D-Will]

Grifffin


:rockon:

[oh the horror]

Im of the opinion, that you always go with a skilled big man over a smaller guard.


This all depends of course, at how healthy Blake can stay.

[chips93]

I gotta third that from Dasher.

Almost every year since 2002 there has been a "Cant Miss" PG prospect due to their potential upside or due to their NBA readyness.

The same can be said for the next 2 drafts.

11: Knight
12: Rivers

dont see either of those being near as good as wall

rivers is more of a sg anyway

the reason there are so many cant-miss pg is because the pg position is more valuable nowadays, due to no hand checking

[OnceInADECADE]

dont see either of those being near as good as wall

rivers is more of a sg anyway

the reason there are so many cant-miss pg is because the pg position is more valuable nowadays, due to no hand checking


also is Knight

[Dasher]

dont see either of those being near as good as wall

rivers is more of a sg anyway

the reason there are so many cant-miss pg is because the pg position is more valuable nowadays, due to no hand checking
Point guards are still not terribly important positions for championship teams. Titles are still primarily won by the biggest teams. A spot-up shooting point, who can feed the post and defend is all that is really needed.

[Ikill]

dont see either of those being near as good as wall

rivers is more of a sg anyway

the reason there are so many cant-miss pg is because the pg position is more valuable nowadays, due to no hand checking
Rivers and knight are apart of better draft/ high school classes than john wall which could be why he seems so much better.John wall gets so much hype because he's apart of a weak draft class. Austin rivers will probably turn out to be like monta haven't seen too much of him and Brandon knight will be like gilbert arenas.

[LA KB24]

Wall. :pimp:

[noob cake]

dont see either of those being near as good as wall

rivers is more of a sg anyway

the reason there are so many cant-miss pg is because the pg position is more valuable nowadays, due to no hand checking

because Irving will be better than Knight and Wall

[Younggrease]

Im of the opinion, that you always go with a skilled big man over a smaller guard.


This all depends of course, at how healthy Blake can stay.

Blake isnt really a traditional big man in how he effects the game. Idk its close for me.

[Lebowsky]

Even without Arenas a rookie scoring 20 ppg is highly unlikely.

There MUST be something about Wall I'm not seeing because he doesn't strike me as the best scoring rookie since Jordan. [just an example, I don't remember the last rookie to average 20 ppg]

Tyreke Evans last season?

[Kobe_6/8]

because Irving will be better than Knight and Wall

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[qrich]

Blake Griffin is a glorified Drew Gooden.


Blake Griffin

John Wall is vastly overrated. There are quite a few better pros in the draft, ie Turner, Monroe.



I'd rather Derrick Favors over Blake Griffin. Favors has Griffin in defense. And he can move to Center if need be.



Plus another dude saying Blake'd be 13/8 max as a rookie and maybe hit 20/10 one day :roll:

Man.

[LoneyROY7]

Glorified Drew Gooden?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yo plowking. Take this L.

And another one.

[bobopenguin]

Originally Posted by GOBB
I'd rather Derrick Favors over Blake Griffin. Favors has Griffin in defense. And he can move to Center if need be.

LOLOLOL

[bobopenguin]

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do u know this guy got dumped by heat 3 times? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

Blake Griffin is a glorified Drew Gooden.

F*cking nailed it.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[senelcoolidge]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Anthony_Bennett_by_Jeremy_Rincon.jpg/214px-Anthony_Bennett_by_Jeremy_Rincon.jpg

This man will be one of the best ever when it's all said and done.

[livinglegend]

Glorified Drew Gooden?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yo plowking. Take this L.

And another one.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Papaya Petee]

I still take John Wall :confusedshrug:

18/12/4/2 level PG and we haven't seen him consistently hit the jumpshot yet.

John Wall is a 20/10/5 lock while being one of the best Defensive PGs in the league.

[Cocaine80s]

Replace Clippers with Wall and they make it to the finals


Cant say the same about Wall

[oarabbus]

Blake easy

[imdaman99]

Both are legitimate stars in the league, but neither possess that IT factor that leads to superstardom, and I'm not talking about marketability because I know Kia is partners with the NBA and tried to manufacture something.

Personally, I'd rather have Wall.

[Mike Armstrong]

Blake Griffin is a glorified Drew Gooden.

Yarp.

[gruel]

Griffin is way better than John Wall. John Wall still has room to grow but Blake Griffin's ceiling is through the roof! And Blake plays with the superior point guard anyway.

[TheMarkMadsen]

John Wall should focus on being the best player on his team before we begin comparing him top 5 players..

Marcin Gortat led the team in WS and WS/48 and as I have been taught by some Wiz fans on ISH.. WS & WS/48 is an awesome way of evaluating players and pointing out those who are really overrated..

[Legends66NBA7]

Replace Clippers with Wall and they make it to the finals


Cant say the same about Wall

Come again ?

[Smoke117]

John Wall. Griffins short arms would be the main reason.