why is it impossible to find a box score for Jordans 63 point playoff game?

[griffmoney2084]

anyone have it?

[griffmoney2084]

anyone?

honestly did jordan fans burn the evidence just because it was a losing effort

[Manute for Ever!]

Jordan's stats for that game are #17 on this list. A better option than checking the box score is watching the game, the Ultimate Jordan boxset has it in full, so Jordan fans clearly aren't as bitter as you...

[griffmoney2084]

Jordan's stats for that game are #17 on this list. A better option than checking the box score is watching the game, the Ultimate Jordan boxset has it in full.

but why is the so called greatest playoff performance ever not even saved on paper lol

my friend wants to see it

he didnt even know the bulls lost the game because all we ever hear about is the points and not the outcome

[Manute for Ever!]

but why is the so called greatest playoff performance ever not even saved on paper lol

my friend wants to see it

he didnt even know the bulls lost the game because all we ever hear about is the points and not the outcome

I thought it was common knowledge that they lost.

[chains5000]

I thought it was common knowledge that they lost.
Not for 14 year old kids

[griffmoney2084]

box score ???????????????????????????????

jesus christ was it burned by david stern?

[Collie]

Lol yeah, I'm sure losing against arguably the greatest team in NBA history is something to be ashamed of.

[Orlando Magic]

63 pts, 22-41 fga, 0-0 3pa, 19-21 fta, 6 ast, 5 reb, 3 stls, 2 blks,

[griffmoney2084]

63 pts, 22-41 fga, 0-0 3pa, 19-21 fta, 6 ast, 5 reb, 3 stls, 2 blks,


this is the weirdest thing i have ever seen

i can find box scores from basketball games 50 years ago

but not one from 20 years ago

[JayGuevara]

Go find a newspaper from late April (21st?) 1986. :confusedshrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69vkEcc-zfc

[cteach111]

this is the weirdest thing i have ever seen

i can find box scores from basketball games 50 years ago

but not one from 20 years ago

maybe you should share your "sources" with us

[griffmoney2084]

Go find a newspaper from late April (21st?) 1986. :confusedshrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69vkEcc-zfc

now im just getting pissed off

this is stupid


if the bulls won the game the box score would be everywhere i bet :rolleyes:

[griffmoney2084]

i can find wilts 100 point game

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/wilt_boxscore.html


why not jordans lol

[juju151111]

i can find wilts 100 point game

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/wilt_boxscore.html


why not jordans lol
You blind?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69vkEcc-zfc

[HylianNightmare]

didn't someone just give you the box score?

[Fatal9]

The foul at the end of regulation always makes me crack up. First of all it didn't look like McHale even touched him (if he did, it was late on follow through). Secondly, I've never seen a player get that call on the ROAD in an important playoff game. Guy had the refs in his back pocket by his second year :oldlol:

[griffmoney2084]

You blind?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69vkEcc-zfc


your the one whos blind

im looking for a box score not highlights

[juju151111]

your the one whos blind

im looking for a box score not highlights
:ohwell: you can't be serious right? Watch the first 5 seconds.

[HylianNightmare]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_indivi dual_game_scores

[boozehound]

cause it never happened. Its a myth.

[Leviathon1121]

The foul at the end of regulation always makes me crack up. First of all it didn't look like McHale even touched him (if he did, it was late on follow through). Secondly, I've never seen a player get that call on the ROAD in an important playoff game. Guy had the refs in his back pocket by his second year :oldlol:

4 prime postseasons for each player (age 27-30 for both; '90-'93 for MJ and '06-'09 for Kobe):

Jordan: .35 FTA/FGA
Kobe: .38 FTA/FGA

This is prime MJ, you know, the aggressive slasher and jump shooting Bryant.

Have anything else to spew Fatal?

[catch24]

4 prime postseasons for each player (age 27-30 for both; '90-'93 for MJ and '06-'09 for Kobe):

Jordan: .35 FTA/FGA
Kobe: .38 FTA/FGA

Great post. Circa '87-93 Jordan would be hell bound trying to draw fouls today (aggressive drives to the hoop etc).

In your opinion, how many would he avg today?

[Soothsayer]

The foul at the end of regulation always makes me crack up. First of all it didn't look like McHale even touched him (if he did, it was late on follow through). Secondly, I've never seen a player get that call on the ROAD in an important playoff game. Guy had the refs in his back pocket by his second year :oldlol:

Lucky for the Celtics the rules had not yet been changed to allow players 3 shots when fouled shooting a 3, otherwise, Jordan would have had a third shot to win the game at the end of regulation. As it stands, Jordan drained 2 clutch FTs to send the game into overtime.

[Leviathon1121]

Great post. Circa '87-93 Jordan would be hell bound trying to draw fouls today (aggressive drives to the hoop etc).

In your opinion, how many would he avg today?


I think he would average quite a lot today, probably 10-11. I base this off of how Lebron and Wade play and the calls they they get since they have similar approaches to the game.

Now that I am thinking about it more, with the rules today I wouldn't be surprised to see a 12-13 average for a season out of Jordan. With a defensive 3 second rule in place preventing the bigs from sitting in the lane, he might drive even more.

[catch24]

I think he would average quite a lot today, probably 10-11. I base this off of how Lebron and Wade play and the calls they they get since they have similar approaches to the game.

Now that I am thinking about it more, with the rules today I wouldn't be surprised to see a 12-13 average for a season out of Jordan. With a defensive 3 second rule in place preventing the bigs from sitting in the lane, he might drive even more.

Yeah, I'd say 12-13 is fair. Switching gears ... todays defensive intensity is lower, and taking into consideration a player like Lebron is able to shoot around 50% with a jumper that's less consistent than MJ's was, it's plausible Jordan could shoot 50-57% from the floor this era.

[DuMa]

I think he would average quite a lot today, probably 10-11. I base this off of how Lebron and Wade play and the calls they they get since they have similar approaches to the game.

Now that I am thinking about it more, with the rules today I wouldn't be surprised to see a 12-13 average for a season out of Jordan. With a defensive 3 second rule in place preventing the bigs from sitting in the lane, he might drive even more.

he would average about 2-3 less because he would be making and-1s all day :D

[Leviathon1121]

he would average about 2-3 less because he would be making and-1s all day :D
:roll: Good point, there is indeed a substantial lack of quality big men guarding the paint in today's game.

[Courtside View]

I remember a poster warning about this assh*le when he first started posting here. Said he knew him from another board, and that all he did was post garbage. He was 100% correct.

[IamSofaKing]

Are you mentally challenged OP?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_indivi dual_game_scores

it was the first thing that popped up on google...

[BlueandGold]

Yeah, I'd say 12-13 is fair. Switching gears ... todays defensive intensity is lower, and taking into consideration a player like Lebron is able to shoot around 50% with a jumper that's less consistent than MJ's was, it's plausible Jordan could shoot 50-57% from the floor this era.

Lebron is a SF who could even arguably play PF. Jordan was always a pure SG. Lebron drives and slashes to the rim way more than Jordan and knows he has the weight advantage against all SFs in the league, even the bigger ones in carmelo, artest and pierce. I believe there was even a thread on why Lebron shoots 50% is because at least 65%+ of his shots are inside the paint. Compare that with Jordan/Kobe's 45% in the paint and you can see why his FT attempts and FG% are high.

[catch24]

Lebron is a SF who could even arguably play PF. Jordan was always a pure SG. Lebron drives and slashes to the rim way more than Jordan and knows he has the weight advantage against all SFs in the league, even the bigger ones in carmelo, artest and pierce. I believe there was even a thread on why Lebron shoots 50% is because at least 65%+ of his shots are inside the paint. Compare that with Jordan/Kobe's 45% in the paint and you can see why his FT attempts and FG% are high.

While that may be true, Jordan doesn't shoot as many 3's as LeBron. He averaged JUST 1 attempt for 6 seasons--'87-93. This is compared to LeBron, who's averaging at least 4.5 a game. Jordan's lack of 3PT shooting (like Wade today) would cancel out Lebron's "65%" inside scoring.


Jordan/45% in the paint

Source?

[Soothsayer]

Lebron is a SF who could even arguably play PF. Jordan was always a pure SG. Lebron drives and slashes to the rim way more than Jordan and knows he has the weight advantage against all SFs in the league, even the bigger ones in carmelo, artest and pierce. I believe there was even a thread on why Lebron shoots 50% is because at least 65%+ of his shots are inside the paint. Compare that with Jordan/Kobe's 45% in the paint and you can see why his FT attempts and FG% are high.

77% of Kobe's shots are jumpers.
63% of Wade's shots are jumpers.
64% of Lebron's shots are jumpers.

LBJ and Wade are different positions, yet both take the same amount of jumpers. It is reasonable to assume Jordan could drive just as easily as Wade or LBJ considering Jordan was quicker, and he had no issues driving in the 80s, early 90s.

Source: 82games.com

Both Lebron and Wade don't have jumpers up to par with Jordan's.

[Amil23]

damn 41 shots and 0 3 pointers:applause:

[Amil23]

77% of Kobe's shots are jumpers.
63% of Wade's shots are jumpers.
64% of Lebron's shots are jumpers.

LBJ and Wade are different positions, yet both take the same amount of jumpers. It is reasonable to assume Jordan could drive just as easily as Wade or LBJ considering Jordan was quicker, and he had no issues driving in the 80s, early 90s.

Source: 82games.com

Both Lebron and Wade don't have jumpers up to par with Jordan's.
gtfo Wade's mid range jumper at its best is up there with pre 1st 3 peat MJ and Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than MJ

[jstern]

I remember a poster warning about this assh*le when he first started posting here. Said he knew him from another board, and that all he did was post garbage. He was 100% correct.
He reminds me of those people with tin foil hats. So paranoid thinking now that there's a conspiracy of hiding that box score because the Bulls lost that game. All because HE can't find it.

Anyway, box scores are pretty easy to find on basketball reference.

[Psileas]

You blind?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69vkEcc-zfc


Are you mentally challenged OP?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...al_game_scores

it was the first thing that popped up on google...

Do you realize that there is a difference between an INDIVIDUAL STAT-LINE and a TEAM BOX SCORE?

[OldSchoolBBall]

gtfo Wade's mid range jumper at its best is up there with pre 1st 3 peat MJ

Jordan by '89 was a better midrange shooter than Wade has ever been.

[Lebron23]

damn 41 shots and 0 3 pointers:applause:

Jordan was not a good 3 points shooter.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Jordan was not a good 3 points shooter.

He was after 1990.

[LbloodOjunkieG]

i can find wilts 100 point game

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/wilt_boxscore.html


why not jordans lol

Is there any place to watch Wilt's 100 point game?

[GiveItToBurrito]

Is there any place to watch Wilt's 100 point game?

It's notorious for having not been filmed, mostly since basketball wasn't even that popular back then.

Back to MJ - the three pointer thing is something that gets blown a little too far out of proportion. I think he just played and grew up in eras when it wasn't that important and guys didn't take or practice them a lot. If he'd grown up in the 80s and 90s, there's no reason to think he wouldn't take and make about as many as Wade or Kobe, since he was a great free throw shooter and had great range on his jumper. My guess is that if he played today, he'd get an extra point or two a game off of threes and how much easier it is for perimeter guys to draw fouls and probably average about one fewer assist or rebound due to the pace of the game being slower.

[artificial]

I don't know why nobody has posted the goddam box score (not the statline), but there you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html


And it's a 69 point game, not a 63 point game -unless you are not talking about this one-. Maybe that's why the OP couldn't find it...

[DuMa]

heres some articles...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-04-21/sports/8601290154_1_bulls-trail-bulls-comeback-chicago-stadium

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-04-21/sports/8601290359_1_bulls-in-two-overtimes-celtic-trainer-chicago-stadium

[Orlando Magic]

I don't know why nobody has posted the goddam box score (not the statline), but there you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html


And it's a 69 point game, not a 63 point game -unless you are not talking about this one-. Maybe that's why the OP couldn't find it...

Actually, he was talking about the 63 point playoff game against the Celtics... and... I can't find the box score for the entire game, either. It isn't on any site that I can find. Just the majority of Jordan's stats, minus turnovers.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The show a full box score from a newspaper in one of the MJ highlight videos when they're talking about this game. Maybe "Come Fly With Me."

[Fatal9]

heres some articles...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-04-21/sports/8601290154_1_bulls-trail-bulls-comeback-chicago-stadium

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-04-21/sports/8601290359_1_bulls-in-two-overtimes-celtic-trainer-chicago-stadium
Bird 36/12/8 without taking 40+ shots, getting bailed out by refs or dominating the fk out of the ball :applause:. In game 1, he had 30 pts off just 13 shots, could have had 40+ to outduel MJ if he played more minutes or was more selfish. Game 3...well, let's not talk about it, Celtics finally decided to lock down MJ and held him to 19 pts. I think Bird more than got even with MJ for his scoring outburst over the next couple of years :oldlol:

[juju151111]

Bird 36/12/8 without taking 40+ shots, getting bailed out by refs or dominating the fk out of the ball :applause:. In game 1, he had 30 pts off just 13 shots, could have had 40+ to outduel MJ if he played more minutes or was more selfish. Game 3...well, let's not talk about it, Celtics finally decided to lock down MJ and held him to 19 pts. I think Bird more than got even with MJ for his scoring outburst over the next couple of years :oldlol:
6>3:roll:

[Soothsayer]

gtfo Wade's mid range jumper at its best is up there with pre 1st 3 peat MJ and Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than MJ


No, it's not. Jordan's jumper was superior to any jumper LBJ or Wade have ever had.

[Soothsayer]

Bird 36/12/8 without taking 40+ shots, getting bailed out by refs or dominating the fk out of the ball :applause:. In game 1, he had 30 pts off just 13 shots, could have had 40+ to outduel MJ if he played more minutes or was more selfish. Game 3...well, let's not talk about it, Celtics finally decided to lock down MJ and held him to 19 pts. I think Bird more than got even with MJ for his scoring outburst over the next couple of years :oldlol:


Jordan scored 36+ pts dozens if not hundreds of times without taking 40+ shots, so your point is completely moot.

86 celts, #1 ranked defense in the league. Jordan 49 in game 1, Mchale said "that isn't going to happen again." He was right. Jordan dropped 63 the next game. Near triple double in game 3.

For the series, Jordan averaged 43.7 ppg on 50.5% FG.

[CLTHornets4eva]

I know he wasn't much of a 3 point shooter in '86- that came later but to score 63 with no 3s is absurd.

[Amil23]

I know he wasn't much of a 3 point shooter in '86- that came later but to score 63 with no 3s is absurd.
thats what I said and on top of that NO 3 POINT ATTEMPTS