Sixers Send Dalembert To Kings For Nocioni, Hawes

[hipballinjigga]

The Sixers have agreed to trade Samuel Dalembert to the Kings for Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes, according to a report from Chad Ford of ESPN.

Dalembert is entering the final season of his contract.

http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/16406140826

[Posterize246]

oh my freaking god

[boozehound]

say what? No trades until the draft right?

Seems like a meh trade overall. doesnt improve sacto or philly really. do they start hawes? I really dont like him at the 5. so, with noc and iggy, does that mean they pick cousins/favors over turner

[ROCSteady]

Damn what a great deal for PHIL. Dalembert prolly happy to leave. Always liked Nocioni and Hawes is still fairly young

[hipballinjigga]

say what? No trades until the draft right?

Seems like a meh trade overall. doesnt improve sacto or philly really. do they start hawes? I really dont like him at the 5. so, with noc and iggy, does that mean they pick cousins/favors over turner

I guess it is a inside scoop. News just broke 5 minutes ago.

[GOBB]

How is this a great deal for Philly? My mother always told me be careful what you wish for. I replied yeah yeah yeah and she counters you'll see. Well now I see. Mom is always right. I cried about getting rid of Dalembert and when they do? They get back in return a crap deal.

Nocioni contract expires when? Yeah just what I thought. And Hawes is a vanilla ice cream cone. He is soft. We have Jason Smith. Whats another with a buzz cut eh? Come on Philly. Hopefully this isnt true. I dont like this deal. You cant get back better for Sammy's expirer? Serious?

[boozehound]

How is this a great deal for Philly? My mother always told me be careful what you wish for. I replied yeah yeah yeah and she counters you'll see. Well now I see. Mom is always right. I cried about getting rid of Dalembert and when they do? They get back in return a crap deal.

Nocioni contract expires when? Yeah just what I thought. And Hawes is a vanilla ice cream cone. He is soft. We have Jason Smith. Whats another with a buzz cut eh? Come on Philly. Hopefully this isnt true. I dont like this deal. You cant get back better for Sammy's expirer? Serious?
Im sure the pistons would trade rip and the 7 for sammy and the 2.

[BigTicket]

Not sure I really see the point of this trade for either team. Why do the Sixers add another SF when they already have Igoudala and Young, and Turner likely on his way.
And why do the Kings need a salary dump when they're already well below the cap and unlikely to sign any bigname free agents ?

[Posterize246]

How is this a great deal for Philly? My mother always told me be careful what you wish for. I replied yeah yeah yeah and she counters you'll see. Well now I see. Mom is always right. I cried about getting rid of Dalembert and when they do? They get back in return a crap deal.

Nocioni contract expires when? Yeah just what I thought. And Hawes is a vanilla ice cream cone. He is soft. We have Jason Smith. Whats another with a buzz cut eh? Come on Philly. Hopefully this isnt true. I dont like this deal. You cant get back better for Sammy's expirer? Serious?
What kind of talent were you expecting to get back for Sam Dalembert? :confusedshrug:

Nocioni has 1 more year than Dalembert had. I sign off on this deal easily.

[Rekindled]

maybe this means the sixers gonna draft favors.

have hawes be the stretch 5, and favors being the banger type 4.

[ROCSteady]

How is this a great deal for Philly? My mother always told me be careful what you wish for. I replied yeah yeah yeah and she counters you'll see. Well now I see. Mom is always right. I cried about getting rid of Dalembert and when they do? They get back in return a crap deal.

Nocioni contract expires when? Yeah just what I thought. And Hawes is a vanilla ice cream cone. He is soft. We have Jason Smith. Whats another with a buzz cut eh? Come on Philly. Hopefully this isnt true. I dont like this deal. You cant get back better for Sammy's expirer? Serious?

Thought u and Posterize were the ones always b!tchin bout how dumb SD is and with a low bball IQ?? figured you guys were pumped. Philly fans never know when to be satisfied. Losing a 7 footer is always hard to replace but Nocioni can get hott and least Hawes brings some 'youth' and athleticism

[1~Gibson~1]

So who wins? :confusedshrug:

[hipballinjigga]

Not sure I really see the point of this trade for either team. Why do the Sixers add another SF when they already have Igoudala and Young, and Turner likely on his way.
And why do the Kings need a salary dump when they're already well below the cap and unlikely to sign any bigname free agents ?

I think this is a smart trade BECAUSE it has to be a set up to some other big trade. Part of me thinks AI is on his way out (an no, not the original).

[GOBB]

What kind of talent were you expecting to get back for Sam Dalembert? :confusedshrug:

Nocioni has 1 more year than Dalembert had. I sign off on this deal easily.

1 year too long. And I dont expect to get a stud talent back for Dalembert but being as tho he is a decent sized expirer but a talent like HeeHawes? :ohwell:

[1~Gibson~1]

SG: Iggy / Turner*
SF: Thad / Nocioni
PF: Brand / Hawes
C: Speights / Smith

either that's what the DC is gonna look like, or the 6ers are setting up to make another trade. but i just cant see them experimenting with Iggy at SG anymore and i DONT think Brand will return. i expect another trade from them this off-season.

[GOBB]

Gibson your post is terrible. From starting lineup (Speights starting Center?) to what you see (like Brand not returning. Wtf is he going?).


Thought u and Posterize were the ones always b!tchin bout how dumb SD is and with a low bball IQ?? figured you guys were pumped. Philly fans never know when to be satisfied. Losing a 7 footer is always hard to replace but Nocioni can get hott and least Hawes brings some 'youth' and athleticism

A streak shooter who is a weak defender. And a big man who plays away from the paint who is a better passer than rebounder or defender. Awesome.

Big difference complaining about getting rid of Dalembert when he has 5yrs, 4,yrs 3yrs, 2yrs on his deal and when he is an expirer. On a team that has 2 guys with bad contracts (Brand/Iggy). Tell me who is blocking shits, the interior defender is all I want to know. Speights? Hawes? Brand? J.Smith?

You're sounding like tickle me elmo over there with your giggling. :violin:

Guess Sacremento is going Center in the draft. Monroe or Cousins? Makes you wonder.

[chazzy]

and i DONT think Brand will return. i expect another trade from them this off-season.

No one's gonna take on that nasty contract

[El Kabong]

What kind of talent were you expecting to get back for Sam Dalembert? :confusedshrug:

Nocioni has 1 more year than Dalembert had. I sign off on this deal easily.
Alot of Knicks fans think they'll get something good/great for Eddy Curry and Dalambert is going to at least play next year unlike Curry who'll probably be injured/overweight for the year.

[Posterize246]

Gibson your post is terrible. From starting lineup (Speights starting Center?) to what you see (like Brand not returning. Wtf is he going?).



A streak shooter who is a weak defender. And a big man who plays away from the paint who is a better passer than rebounder or defender. Awesome.

Big difference complaining about getting rid of Dalembert when he has 5yrs, 4,yrs 3yrs, 2yrs on his deal and when he is an expirer. On a team that has 2 guys with bad contracts (Brand/Iggy). Tell me who is blocking shits, the interior defender is all I want to know. Speights? Hawes? Brand? J.Smith?

You're sounding like tickle me elmo over there with your giggling. :violin:

Guess Sacremento is going Center in the draft. Monroe or Cousins? Makes you wonder.
You goin Sixers draft party? Free admission and parking. :banana:

[Venja42]

The scene in Philly after hearing that Sammy Dalembart has been traded...

http://myteamrivals.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5513d181b883401287692b5a7970c-800wi

REJOICE!!






Anyway, I like Nocioni because he's a tough minded player on the defensive end. Much better version of Kapono if you ask me. I like Hawes talent and Dalembart is just one of those bad seeds thats overstayed his welcome. He has and should be commended for his work in his native Haiti during their crisis this year. But I think these two could fit the Sixers and Turner should be the starting 2-guard when camp breaks next year.

[Rasheed1]

SG: Iggy / Turner*
SF: Thad / Nocioni
PF: Brand / Hawes
C: Speights / Smith

either that's what the DC is gonna look like, or the 6ers are setting up to make another trade. but i just cant see them experimenting with Iggy at SG anymore and i DONT think Brand will return. i expect another trade from them this off-season.


I remember Collins talking like he wanted Thad at the 4 and how the the game wasnt so much about big men as much... matter of fact Im gonna find the quote..

I hope they still take turner

[1~Gibson~1]

Gibson your post is terrible. From starting lineup (Speights starting Center?) to what you see (like Brand not returning. Wtf is he going?).
dont really watch the 6ers so excuse me if i didnt know what the lineup looked like. didnt know he was paid that much either :oldlol:

i admit that i was wrong about Brand not returning, but i DO think that Philly will make another trade.

[Grinder]

Love this trade. Hawes is talented and really couldn't get into a rhythm last season with Westphal's crazy rotations. He'll bring more offensively than Sammy and is a good passer for a big man. The ball movement in a Holiday, Turner, Iggy, and Hawes lineup will be excellent.

As for Noc, I don't expect him to stick around, contending teams will likely want him.


Holiday/Williams
Turner/Kapono (?)/Meeks
Iguodala/Young/Carney
Speights/Brand
Hawes/Smith

[jbot]

How is this a great deal for Philly? My mother always told me be careful what you wish for. I replied yeah yeah yeah and she counters you'll see. Well now I see. Mom is always right. I cried about getting rid of Dalembert and when they do? They get back in return a crap deal.

Nocioni contract expires when? Yeah just what I thought. And Hawes is a vanilla ice cream cone. He is soft. We have Jason Smith. Whats another with a buzz cut eh? Come on Philly. Hopefully this isnt true. I dont like this deal. You cant get back better for Sammy's expirer? Serious?
:oldlol: yeah, not a good deal for Philly IMO either. i like Nocioni but he's overpaid.

[GOBB]

dont really watch the 6ers so excuse me if i didnt know what the lineup looked like. didnt know he was paid that much either :oldlol:

i admit that i was wrong about Brand not returning, but i DO think that Philly will make another trade.

I agree with Sixers making another trade. Could be Iggy or Thad. Both cant be on the same roster next season.


I remember Collins talking like he wanted Thad at the 4 and how the the game wasnt so much about big men as much... matter of fact Im gonna find the quote..

I hope they still take turner

I hope Collins doesnt like Thad at PF. He's get punked defensively.


Anyway, I like Nocioni because he's a tough minded player on the defensive end. Much better version of Kapono if you ask me. I like Hawes talent and Dalembart is just one of those bad seeds thats overstayed his welcome. He has and should be commended for his work in his native Haiti during their crisis this year. But I think these two could fit the Sixers and Turner should be the starting 2-guard when camp breaks next year.

If there was a positive spin on this? Dispite my beef with Hawes weakness. Sixers would be ass out this time next offseason searching for a big in the middle. Well for the time being you got a young one. Who can still improve. Think he is only 22.


You goin Sixers draft party? Free admission and parking.

Free parking? You sure? If so I might look into that. :oldlol:

[Posterize246]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_NBA_players_who_have_spent_their_en tire_career_with_one_team

Mostly all stars but there's some on that team that just don't fit. So long!

[DuMa]

hawes is terrible. i never saw the potential with that kid.

[Perezident]

A conversation between Senor Cedric and myself in the "Chad Ford's 5.0 mock draft request thread" on page 2. This was on the premise of the Detriot deal that was rumored dealing with Noc and Prince

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[GOBB]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_NBA_players_who_have_spent_their_en tire_career_with_one_team

Mostly all stars but there's some on that team that just don't fit. So long!

:oldlol: 9yrs with the vintage Dalembert dumb facial expression. I remember when Dick Jeradi roasted Dalembert when they took him the next day on DNL. He laid into him so good I wish it was on youtube. Pretty funny.

Cant believe Sixers dont have Dalembert anyone. Hooray :banana:

[Rasheed1]

I hope Collins doesnt like Thad at PF. He's get punked defensively.


[quote]Q: You mentioned Thaddeus [Young] and Elton [Brand] getting off track. How do you plan to reconnect with them and get them back on track?

Doug Collins:

[GOBB]

Thad seems a bit undersized for a 4 to me.....


maybe this trade plays into some of Collins ideas going forward,....

I wont be mad as long as they draft Turner

Interesting stuff on how Collins views Thad/Iggy no doubt.

[33teeth]

Funny reading here and other forums. Seems like Kings fans are happy to see Noc, and to a lesser degree, Hawes gone. Sixers fans are happy to see Dalembert gone.

Shrugs.

Noc sucks. Offensive black hole with a terrible contract. Hawes? Good offense 1 out of 5 games. Usually a terrible defender. A horrid rebounder. Both of them are poor for chemistry.

[iggy>]

sixers are clearly gearing up for another trade

[Posterize246]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKsf45y7HaA

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[boozehound]

A conversation between Senor Cedric and myself in the "Chad Ford's 5.0 mock draft request thread" on page 2. This was on the premise of the Detriot deal that was rumored dealing with Noc and Prince





This was one of the deals. The next still is alive so i'll resort to not commenting on it as it but keep an eye out in your newfeeds
nice hindsight. The fact that you post this as "proof" of your insider connection is laughable. Maybe if you would have referenced any detail at all, people would believe you

[Posterize246]

Here's a thread I made in the Sixers forum in March:


2 nights ago I'm eating some food with some friends up above the Temple basketball court. I look down and see a very tall skinny guy playing some basketball with a guy rebounding for him. I then realize that its...Samuel Dalembert! I then realize...he's doing nothing but shooting three pointers! From the corners, from dead on, from the sides, everywhere! Not one post move or jumpers from within 18 feet, all threes.


Gotta love this guy's dedication.

I feel like it's my birthday :oldlol:

[Posterize246]

And here's a thread I made in March '09!

Why I Hate Samuel Dalembert (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123757)

:rockon: :cheers: :banana:

[Grinder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbxzfVl_7c4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3lHNAYVKLM

[1~Gibson~1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKsf45y7HaA

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:roll:

[ZHAKIDD532]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but it would be awesome if the Sixers took Favors over Turner, drafting for need 2nd overall like a bunch of idiots.

[Styles p]

dalemberts best play ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKsf45y7HaA

[Rowe]

Thats a bad trade when you think about it.

76ers could've gotten more value around the deadline for Sammy's expirer, hes actually able to contribute unlike Curry.

[Knicks101]

Alot of Knicks fans think they'll get something good/great for Eddy Curry and Dalambert is going to at least play next year unlike Curry who'll probably be injured/overweight for the year.

lolwut?

You can get a nice player for an expiring contract. Seems like Philly just pulled the trigger on this deal way too early instead of waiting to find a deal that actually made sense. They definitely could've done much better than this.

[InspiredLebowski]

If this is the going rate for decent sized expiring deals I am sad right now

[GOBB]

Thats a bad trade when you think about it.

76ers could've gotten more value around the deadline for Sammy's expirer, hes actually able to contribute unlike Curry.

Given how Dalembert plays? And with a new coach no clue to how much Doug Collins would even use him? His value might not be any higher then than it is now. Sixers getting Doug Collins his guys now as opposed to waiting like you suggest? The right move.

[leopoldstotch]

since the past posts have been from the sixers perspective, i want to take a look at this from the kings perspective....

their depth (after this trade) is

udrih
evans/garcia
green/udoka/mcguire
thompson/landry/casspi/may
dalembert/brockmon

the kings are reportedly interested in aminu and gordon heyward, but also looking at cousins and monroe.

next year, they most likely will play a 3 big man rotation between thompson, landry, and dalembert, maybe run garcia at the 3 spot to play him with evans. the kings desperately need a pg, because we all know udrih isn't starter material. :lol

i don't know. kings look like a mess right now. i can't really say what their strength is other than the sg spot.

[Grinder]

since the past posts have been from the sixers perspective, i want to take a look at this from the kings perspective....

their depth (after this trade) is

udrih
evans/garcia
green/udoka/mcguire
thompson/landry/casspi/may
dalembert/brockmon

the kings are reportedly interested in aminu and gordon heyward, but also looking at cousins and monroe.

next year, they most likely will play a 3 big man rotation between thompson, landry, and dalembert, maybe run garcia at the 3 spot to play him with evans. the kings desperately need a pg, because we all know udrih isn't starter material. :lol

i don't know. kings look like a mess right now. i can't really say what their strength is other than the sg spot.

That depth chart isn't even close.

Evans/Udrih
Greene/Garcia
Casspi/Udoka
Landry/Brockman
Thompson/Dalembert
...is more likely.

Greene proved more than capable of playing and defending the 2 last season.

[Rowe]

Given how Dalembert plays? And with a new coach no clue to how much Doug Collins would even use him? His value might not be any higher then than it is now. Sixers getting Doug Collins his guys now as opposed to waiting like you suggest? The right move.
Is he that bad? I know hes overpaid but whenever I saw him play he looked to be pretty good. He always just dominates the boards against the Knicks.

Maybe its just me, but I really dont think the unit of Holliday-Turner-Iggy-Young-Brand is that good together. Some good individual talent no doubt but not sure how they all really mesh together.

[Se]

Rowe
This message is hidden because Rowe is on your ignore list.

Oh yeah!

Hopefully the 76ers are dealing #2 to Minny.

[Perezident]

nice hindsight. The fact that you post this as "proof" of your insider connection is laughable. Maybe if you would have referenced any detail at all, people would believe you

Thats okay you don't have to believe me. I wasn't expecting the deal to be announced this quickly. However, I have persons who I let in on the "insider info" I have with the team so it can be laughable to you.

Let it be known that I'm telling you now. Keep your eyes out for more Kings news.... there is another deal in the pipeline.

[Interminator]

Kings made a bad move.Spencer Hawes is going to be a very good player in the NBA once he realizes he doesnt have to be a stiff down low.



76ers will still suck.You aint goin nowhere with Andre Igoudala as your #1 option.

[Se]

That depth chart isn't even close.

Evans/Udrih
Greene/Garcia
Casspi/Udoka
Landry/Brockman
Thompson/Dalembert
...is more likely.

Greene proved more than capable of playing and defending the 2 last season.

That depth chart isn't even close.

Evans/Udrih
Garcia/Udoka
Casspi/Greene
Landry/ Thompson
Dalembert/ Cousins/ Brockman
...is more likely.

Green was average at SG and SF and played his best basketball at PF.
See link:
http://www.82games.com/0910/09SAC11.HTM
^Scroll down to: Production by position.

He was good offensively at SG, but terrible defensively.
Average offensively against SF, and bad defensively.
He was good offensively at PF and bad defensively.

[InspiredLebowski]

Oh, and Iggy to Indy! Make it happen.

[leopoldstotch]

That depth chart isn't even close.

Evans/Udrih
Greene/Garcia
Casspi/Udoka
Landry/Brockman
Thompson/Dalembert
...is more likely.

Greene proved more than capable of playing and defending the 2 last season.

oh yeah. i forgot the kings had evans play the point position a couple of times last season. yeah i like that a lot better.

and hopefully the kings do start thompson over dalembert. i like thompson's upside after his season last season. but i think the kings would most likely lean towards trying to play thompson and dalembert together and run landry as a backup pf/c.

[Perezident]

That depth chart isn't even close.

Evans/Udrih
Greene/Garcia
Casspi/Udoka
Landry/Brockman
Thompson/Dalembert
...is more likely.

Greene proved more than capable of playing and defending the 2 last season.

Udoka isnt on the squad any more...

The depth chart is this (as of right now)

Evans/
Beno/Cisco
Donte/Casspi
JT/Landry/Brockman
Dally/

[boozehound]

Thats okay you don't have to believe me. I wasn't expecting the deal to be announced this quickly. However, I have persons who I let in on the "insider info" I have with the team so it can be laughable to you.

Let it be known that I'm telling you now. Keep your eyes out for more Kings news.... there is another deal in the pipeline.
how about a hint. Division? or even conference? Position they are targeting?

[Posterize246]

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GOBB

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Posterize

http://www.nba.com/media/act_samuel_dalembert.jpg
Samuel Dalembert

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Philadelphia International Airport

[GOBB]

Posterize for the win!


I just realized Gobb is going to have 30,000 posts by the end of this year.Yall know this ****** life is pathetic.

I have 36,000 right now. So by the end of the year I will have 30,000? Interesting. :ohwell:


Is he that bad? I know hes overpaid but whenever I saw him play he looked to be pretty good. He always just dominates the boards against the Knicks.

Maybe its just me, but I really dont think the unit of Holliday-Turner-Iggy-Young-Brand is that good together. Some good individual talent no doubt but not sure how they all really mesh together.

Yeah he is that bad. Even tho when he wasnt on the floor the Sixers interior defense was non existent. Sammy had a weird way of countering the good he does on the defensive end with the bad at the offensive. Sammy has had some good games last season. He wasnt bad in every one he played. So chances are you may have caught him during a game or little streak where he played well. For for the most part that wasnt an every day, majority of the season occurence. He has a knack of pouting, complaining because he isnt involved in the offense more & doesnt get touches to show his "game". Yes he is delusional, much like thinking he can put the ball on the floor or shoot 18 feet away from the basket. Always a fail when he tries and worthy of NBA blooper tapes.

That video Posterize posted where he offensive goaltends Iggy 3 which was huge just shows what he does. Dumb things. Then he has this stupid look like he did nothing wrong. His attitude and approach isnt very good either. So I figure getting a new HC in here why not cut the deadweight then holding onto him until the trading deadline. When before that time arrives Sammy could have had spats, conflicts with Doug Collins. Or ends up in his doghouse watching from the bench.

[InspiredLebowski]

Posterize looking like Earl Watson

[Posterize246]

Doug Collins said in a recent interview he called Sammy on the phone and told him "I need you to be a Marcus Camby type. I believe you're more than capable of being that guy. Do you think you can be that player for me?"

Sammy must have been honest with him.

[GOBB]

Doug Collins said in a recent interview he called Sammy on the phone and told him "I need you to be a Marcus Camby type. I believe you're more than capable of being that guy. Do you think you can be that player for me?"

Sammy must have been honest with him.

:roll:

[Rowe]

Yeah he is that bad. Even tho when he wasnt on the floor the Sixers interior defense was non existent. Sammy had a weird way of countering the good he does on the defensive end with the bad at the offensive. Sammy has had some good games last season. He wasnt bad in every one he played. So chances are you may have caught him during a game or little streak where he played well. For for the most part that wasnt an every day, majority of the season occurence. He has a knack of pouting, complaining because he isnt involved in the offense more & doesnt get touches to show his "game". Yes he is delusional, much like thinking he can put the ball on the floor or shoot 18 feet away from the basket. Always a fail when he tries and worthy of NBA blooper tapes.

That video Posterize posted where he offensive goaltends Iggy 3 which was huge just shows what he does. Dumb things. Then he has this stupid look like he did nothing wrong. His attitude and approach isnt very good either. So I figure getting a new HC in here why not cut the deadweight then holding onto him until the trading deadline. When before that time arrives Sammy could have had spats, conflicts with Doug Collins. Or ends up in his doghouse watching from the bench.

So was Nocioni & Hawes the best they could've got? How do they fit for the 76ers next season?

[bagelred]

Two teams I don't know enough about to comment whether this works or not.

But Kings do open up lots of cap space going forward. Kings have some bad contracts....one down, Udrih and Garcia to go..........

[GOBB]

So was Nocioni & Hawes the best they could've got? How do they fit for the 76ers next season?

I dont know what was being offered honestly. I know Sixers have tried to move Dalembert last 2 trade deadlines and no team was interested in talkin. Maybe teams werent that interested? Couldnt tell you. I thought they could get a better deal than this. I'll have to wait and see what Ed Stefanski says. And/or Philly sportwriters who may have some sources to let us in on why this is all Sammy could bring back.

And how either fits? Dont know.

[el gringos]

Great trade for philly- hawes is the key
--------
That trade was supposed to be with the nuggets- hawes would really be perfect on a good team w low post options like carmelo and nene- now its just bad team to bad team so hard to know if hawes will shine
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Just sucks, hawes shouldve been a nug

[Grinder]

Two teams I don't know enough about to comment whether this works or not.

But Kings do open up lots of cap space going forward. Kings have some bad contracts....one down, Udrih and Garcia to go..........

Udrih's been pretty solid, I wouldn't call him a bad contract.

[bagelred]

Udrih's been pretty solid, I wouldn't call him a bad contract.

I guess Hawes isn't very good. Seems odd to give up a young big on a cheap contract.....

[HylianNightmare]

love this trade for philly, glad they lose that dumbshit dalembert and get a decent big in hawes and a solid bench player as nocioni.

freakin getting excited about the sixers this year.

[Phantom_Blue]

This trade has the potential to go either the way. Like has been said, it all depends on how Hawes develops.

Pros:

-The guy is 22
-He's been pretty healthy for a center.
-Playing for a better, more established coach in Doug Collins
-Has a perimeter game to compliment Brand

People also forget that this guy was stuck in a youth movement in Sacramento where they were trying to feel out Jason Thompson & Jon Brockman, so his minutes weren't consistent.

[Se]

I guess Hawes isn't very good. Seems odd to give up a young big on a cheap contract.....

He doesn't have much of a post game, and neither does Thompson. They are drafting either Cousins or Monroe.

I was reading on Real GM just the other day that suggested the Kings would trade either Hawes or Thompson due to having a log-jam.
They would've had:
CT: Cousins/ Hawes
PF: Landry/ Thompson
(all young guys that need development minutes)

Now, it'll be:
CT: Cousins/ Dalembert (expirer)
PF: Landry/ Thompson
(now they can play a 3 man rotation and throw Dalembert the leftovers + he's now trade bait at the deadline)

[Se]

-Has a perimeter game to compliment Brand


70& of Bran'd field goal attempts are jump shots. I fail to see how these two compliment each other.

[Kingsfans818]

Not sure I really see the point of this trade for either team. Why do the Sixers add another SF when they already have Igoudala and Young, and Turner likely on his way.
And why do the Kings need a salary dump when they're already well below the cap and unlikely to sign any bigname free agents ?

Quite simple for the Kings

Hawes is useless/super soft..we don't want him around our new core/system which is all about Size, toughness, and athleticism which is exemplified by Evans

We get rid of Nocioni's horrible contract and add a decent big man that can rebound and block shot for a year

[Kingsfans818]

This trade has the potential to go either the way. Like has been said, it all depends on how Hawes develops.

Pros:

-The guy is 22
-He's been pretty healthy for a center.
-Playing for a better, more established coach in Doug Collins
-Has a perimeter game to compliment Brand

People also forget that this guy was stuck in a youth movement in Sacramento where they were trying to feel out Jason Thompson & Jon Brockman, so his minutes weren't consistent.

if you call chucking up horrible 3's a perimeter game...

[ihatetimthomas]

Don't really see how this is bad for the Sixers. Nocioni's contract only runs from to 2011-2012 with a team option to extend to 2012-2013. He is a tough, gritty player. he hustles and can play some D. Solid bench player. I question his mentality bc he seems to be have been disgruntled when in no way he has the right to be. But I think he can be a nice 3 off the bench.

Hawes shown some glimpses of becoming a solid big in this league and I think he still has potential. Not going to be anything great, but I think he can become a solid big. he played some decent games in Sac. Getting bigs with some potential is always a plus in this league. He also has some range on his shot. Still needs a lot of work in the paint.

I am not sure how great of a deal you could have gotten for Sammy. He has very low bball IQ and although he is an expiring contract, don't see anyone giving up anything of great quality for him. But I do not think the Sixers are done dealing so we will see what is next before we assess this situation.

[Posterize246]

Free parking? You sure? If so I might look into that. :oldlol:
Yessir. I'm going with a group of 3 or 4. Lou Williams and Thad will be there as well as Dr. J and Moses Malone. I'm not a signature guy but might try to get some pics with them. 6pm-9pm.

[Basketbolero]

I don't care how soft Hawes is, just getting rid of Sammy's dumbness made my day:rockon: (opens the first of probably a lot of beers).

[Luigi]

Setting a few things straight:
1. Hawes is not an exceptional athlete http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Spencer-Hawes-483/
2. Nocioni is a tough defender.
3. ISH has no idea what expirers are worth. Especially expirers who can give you a decent year of production before expiring (often called "rentals" that nobody ever sees the value of).

This trade makes sense for the contracts and level of players involved. The thing that doesn't make sense is the positions for Philadelphia now. The have too many swingmen and plan on drafting another. I see another trade involving Elton Brand on the way.

[Se]

I see another trade involving Elton Brand on the way.

For Turkoglu? LOL

[Phantom_Blue]

if you call chucking up horrible 3's a perimeter game...

Lol, well compared to Sammy, he at least does have something resembling a permiter game.

Again, he's 22 and he's going to have a consistent role now. Plenty of time to improve and polish his skillset.

[crisoner]

So who wins? :confusedshrug:


Hopefully the Lakers tonight.

[Basketbolero]

Setting a few things straight:
1. Hawes is not an exceptional athlete http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Spencer-Hawes-483/
2. Nocioni is a tough defender.
3. ISH has no idea what expirers are worth. Especially expirers who can give you a decent year of production before expiring (often called "rentals" that nobody ever sees the value of).

This trade makes sense for the contracts and level of players involved. The thing that doesn't make sense is the positions for Philadelphia now. The have too many swingmen and plan on drafting another. I see another trade involving Elton Brand on the way.
Nocioni asked Sacramento to trade him because he wanted no part of a rebuilding team. The Sixers are just that and have no need for him, so you can expect Nocioni to be involved in another trade soon.

[Luigi]

[QUOTE=Se

[Kingsfans818]

I don't care how soft Hawes is, just getting rid of Sammy's dumbness made my day:rockon: (opens the first of probably a lot of beers).

Id take Sammy for this one year(with his value as a large expiring) over getting stuck for 3 years with that chucker Nocioni :roll: :roll:

[Kingsfans818]

Lol, well compared to Sammy, he at least does have something resembling a permiter game.

Again, he's 22 and he's going to have a consistent role now. Plenty of time to improve and polish his skillset.

The kings also know he's 22 and is going to have a lot of time to improve and he's had a consistent role since last season

the only problem is you can't teach heart, toughness, and a desire to win

[Se]

:lol Yes! Another trade demanding, long contracted swingman!

But really, it wouldn't surprise me if Brand was supposed to be the one to leave in this trade. Sacto probably negotiated for Dalembert instead. Plus, Nocioni has a good contract. 6.85M, 6.65M, and a 7.5M team option. Two years under 7M for a tough defender who can shoot is a good move.

How are they going to manage this roster now, though? If they want Turner, they have to deal with Iggy's minutes plus the backups that deserve time (Thaddeus Young and Nocioni). It even looks like they need to unload Iggy now, too. But the only way they get out from the long Iggy and Brand contracts is probably by moving down in the draft (which then means they don't have to make room for Turner). That Brand trade looks more confusing than I thought.

What about Brand and #2 to New Jersey for a trade exception and #3?

Gives New Jersey Turner (and a rounded lineup), though it's a huge price to pay.
CT: Lopez/ Boone?
PF: Brand/ Yi
SF: Williams/ ?
SG: Turner/ Lee
PG: Harriss/ Dooling?

[Luigi]

Nocioni asked Sacramento to trade him because he wanted no part of a rebuilding team. The Sixers are just that and have no need for him, so you can expect Nocioni to be involved in another trade soon.

Interesting. Maybe Utah can get in on this :lol .

Phily trades:
Nocioni, Brand, and the 2nd pick (Turner).

Utah trades:
Boozer (S&T), Kirilenko, and the 9th pick (Ed Davis?).

A year ago, that would look awesome. But now that AK is playing well enough, and that Brand isn't, I couldn't justify that much of a gamble on Brand. If he was pre-injury Brand, I would really appreciate the offensive footwork and defensive post presence. Now, he is too much of a liability in too many ways. Anyway, this is what it'd look like:

Phily:
Holiday / Williams
Iguodala / Green
Young / Kapono
Boozer / Davis
Hawes / Speights

Utah:
Williams / Price
Turner / Korver
Nocioni / Miles
Brand / Millsap
Okur / Fesenko

That backcourt is tight, but the bigs look very thin, both starters have ruptured their achilles.

Maybe we need Detroit involved (Hamilton)?

[Luigi]

[QUOTE=Se

[InspiredLebowski]

Chad Ford kept getting asked about it in his live chat a little bit ago and every time he said Nocioni won't be in Philly long

[GOBB]

Chad Ford kept getting asked about it in his live chat a little bit ago and every time he said Nocioni won't be in Philly long

Interesting, isnt there a rule where you have to wait a certain time period before being traded again?

[InspiredLebowski]

Interesting, isnt there a rule where you have to wait a certain time period before being traded again?
30 days I think? I don't know, remember when Sheed was a Hawk for like 2 days? I don't really know.

[Basketbolero]

Interesting, isnt there a rule where you have to wait a certain time period before being traded again?
I thought so until I saw 'The Quentin Richardson Tour' last summer.

[Luigi]

Chad Ford kept getting asked about it in his live chat a little bit ago and every time he said Nocioni won't be in Philly long

Any news about moving the draft pick,too?

[InspiredLebowski]

Any news about moving the draft pick,too?
Not that I saw, not moving it anyway, just about how it effects their board. He thinks it puts Favors ahead, I think he's an idiot trying to reinforce his previous reports of Favors being ahead of Turner.

Link's here (http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dimelive-100617/daily-dime-live)

[GOBB]

I think I was getting confused with sign and trades. I think those players have to wait until Dec sometime before being traded again. But players aquired in trades that werent signed I dont know if there are restrictions.

Cant wait for the NBA draft and offseason. Should be lots of wheeling/dealings and player movement.

[Luigi]

Not that I saw, not moving it anyway, just about how it effects their board. He thinks it puts Favors ahead, I think he's an idiot trying to reinforce his previous reports of Favors being ahead of Turner.

Link's here (http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dimelive-100617/daily-dime-live)

Thanks.

[Posterize246]

[QUOTE] UPDATED: The Sixers have just announced the deal.

[MeLO MvP 15]

why would NJ give up their cap space to move up one spot... that's idiotic... also ESPN says Philly will prob take Favors

[InspiredLebowski]

why would NJ give up their cap space to move up one spot... that's idiotic... also ESPN says SAC will prob take Favors
Agreed on Jersey. Good luck on Sacto getting Favors.

[bada bing]

Doug Collins said in a recent interview he called Sammy on the phone and told him "I need you to be a Marcus Camby type. I believe you're more than capable of being that guy. Do you think you can be that player for me?"

Sammy must have been honest with him.
:roll:

[PleezeBelieve]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5297829

Don't ask me why they made this deal. They must be trying to move AI now.

Dumb trade.

[bagelred]

Really?:rolleyes:

[sak]

This trade seems a little odd. It come right after the kings working out monroe, favors and cousins in the past week or so. it makes this move even more confusing. The only big guy that has the kind off skill set that the kings like, the type of stuff hawes brought is monroe. I hope we dont pick him up over cousins.

Nocioni wanted to move so i see why sac dealt him. hawes was probably the throw in. But this is now really confusing me on how the kings are gonna draft.

but it makes sense. you get rid of a big guys that passes for a D up guy then draft another skills big man. please NOOOO.

Please please please draft cousins.

I beg you. lol.

[sak]

on another note. SAMMY is not very good. GRRRR.

[hawkfan]

I agree with GOBB.

Not a good deal for the Sixers. They could have let Dalembert's contract expire and use that cap space next summer to get an A level free agent. Now they are stuck with Nocioni, who is a good player, but doesn't fit with the Sixers. Nocioni would actually be a good fit for the Hawks, since he can add something to a fairly well rounded team.

A great deal for the Kings, they clear out a ton of cap space next summer, and get a badly needed defensive presence. AN was unhappy, so getting rid of him is good for the locker room. If SD has a good year, they can re-sign him for something lesser than what he is now. If not, then they can let him go, and have a ton of cap space for next summer.

[MeLO MvP 15]

I wonder if the Kings will try to dump Udrih and Garcia now...

[Luigi]

I agree with GOBB.

Not a good deal for the Sixers. They could have let Dalembert's contract expire and use that cap space next summer to get an A level free agent. Now they are stuck with Nocioni, who is a good player, but doesn't fit with the Sixers. Nocioni would actually be a good fit for the Hawks, since he can add something to a fairly well rounded team.

A great deal for the Kings, they clear out a ton of cap space next summer, and get a badly needed defensive presence. AN was unhappy, so getting rid of him is good for the locker room. If SD has a good year, they can re-sign him for something lesser than what he is now. If not, then they can let him go, and have a ton of cap space for next summer.

Nocioni will only cost .5M more than Dalembert and they get to pay it over two years now instead of one. Plus he's a better trade commodity and better player on the floor. Why does everybody think that Nocioni has a huge, long contract?

[sak]

I wonder if the Kings will try to dump Udrih and Garcia now...


they wont try to dump udrih. I watched at least 60 games last season( ya even on the losing season) and he contributed every time on the floor. he is a very good guy to have coming behind evens because he brings a mid range game that reke doesnt have yet. not saying he un movable but the trade would have to really favor the kings.

Garcia i could see moving. he really didnt see to much time last season because Greene and casppi were playing fairly well for there young age.

[Jasper]

Very good trade both both teams.

Two of the three players wanted to leave , so they will bring new energy to their newly acquired teams. (+)

Doug Collins is a larry brown old school - "do what I say or your benched or traded"
Look for Collins to have Nocioni get 25 solid minutes off the bench and be a real spark plug with the second team as he was in Chicago.
Hawes is only 21 or 22 , so very young. Perfect fit for Collins to teach him what a low post and boards are.
It's not like he has failed in Kingville , didn't he average 10 6 or something along those lines for 2x minutes :confusedshrug:

Kings get a one dimensional player , that with right coaching stays in the box , boards and plays defense , and gets weakside offense layup's from my man :rockon:
What do the Kings have to loose - nothing - 1 year of service and look around or develop a fresh big man.

:applause:

[Posterize246]

To be blunt, Dalembert never learned how to play organized basketball.

He was simply an extremely athletic big man who tantalized with what he might be should he ever put it all together.

Not that Dalembert is stupid, because just the opposite is true.

He’s highly intelligent, but his basketball IQ barely registers a blip.

Worse than anything, Dalembert never seemed particularly interested in learning the things that would make the situation better.

For the most part, the maddening mistakes he made last season were the same ones he made as a 20-year-old rookie and in every season since.

On the court, Dalembert was the poster child for inconsistency.
Sums it up perfectly. People looking at Dalembert's numbers and saying "he's a quality big" or anything along those lines just don't know.

[G-train]

Dalembert - He is generally insipid but can rebound and block a little.
Hawes - Talented scorer but very inconsistent last season. Has 17/8 potential.
Nocioni - A terrible player who takes bad shots, plays too fast, doesn't defend much anymore and is really annoying. Guys who say 'I like him' don't know the 2010 version of Noc.

Bad trade for both teams. Who protects the rim for 76ers? Who takes the best low post scorer?

[G-train]

Very good trade both both teams.

Two of the three players wanted to leave , so they will bring new energy to their newly acquired teams. (+)

Doug Collins is a larry brown old school - "do what I say or your benched or traded"
Look for Collins to have Nocioni get 25 solid minutes off the bench and be a real spark plug with the second team as he was in Chicago.
Hawes is only 21 or 22 , so very young. Perfect fit for Collins to teach him what a low post and boards are.
It's not like he has failed in Kingville , didn't he average 10 6 or something along those lines for 2x minutes :confusedshrug:

Kings get a one dimensional player , that with right coaching stays in the box , boards and plays defense , and gets weakside offense layup's from my man :rockon:
What do the Kings have to loose - nothing - 1 year of service and look around or develop a fresh big man.

:applause:

Dude you're living in a dream world where everything is perfect and nothing is real.

[G-train]

Good teams are gonna drop 500 points in the paint a game against 76ers next season.

[Jasper]

Dude you're living in a dream world where everything is perfect and nothing is real.

You need to relay this to the two multi-million dollar franchises that just made the trade. (they could use your genius knowledge)

[Posterize246]

[QUOTE]

[G-train]

You need to relay this to the two multi-million dollar franchises that just made the trade. (they could use your genius knowledge)

I would - but my genius is at work in my other fields of expertise.

Ps - Of course multi-million dollar franchises never make mistakes.

[iggy>]

sixers are still gonna take turner, espn is always wrong.

[GiveItToBurrito]

Awesome trade for Sacramento, they shed salary (I think) and get a great rebounder, shotblocker, and defender who can give them at least some modicum of toughness. Dalembert's a retard, but his faults really overshadow that he helps teams win. Yeah, he has no offensive game and he's constantly out of position, but he makes up for it by being able to guard legit centers, rebounding, and helping to at least sort of shut down the paint.

Philly gets...nothing as far as Nocioni, although he might turn it around in a new situation. I don't think they really need another combo forward, but whatever. The real key here for the 76ers is Hawes, who might be able to be motivated by Collins to rebound and score inside a bit. Still, as far as immediate talent and salary is concerned, this is a huge win (well, huge win in that it makes them far better than it makes Philly, although neither team is going to be in the playoffs for another two years) for Sacramento.

By the way, I'm still hoping for Brand and the number 2 pick for Jefferson and the number 4, although I can't see Jefferson and Hawes working out long-term, at least not as well as Dalembert and Jefferson could have. Then again, with Hawes' shooting, it might be even better.

[qrich]

Would be a good time for the Clippers to make a move for Igoudala. Either Rights to Sofo + Minnesota First Rounder + TPE or Kaman for Iggy I'd do. :D

Like this trade for the Kings, pick up a guy that should fit in well with two offensive bigs in Landry + Thompson, and on top of that, they have a high draft pick. Decent deal for the 6ers, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn around and deal one of their wings.

[GiveItToBurrito]

Would be a good time for the Clippers to make a move for Igoudala. Either Rights to Sofo + Minnesota First Rounder + TPE or Kaman for Iggy I'd do. :D

Like this trade for the Kings, pick up a guy that should fit in well with two offensive bigs in Landry + Thompson, and on top of that, they have a high draft pick. Decent deal for the 6ers, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn around and deal one of their wings.

Iggy on LA would be fun to see, for some reason he has a very "respectable player on the Clippers" vibe to him.

Do you think Landry and Thompson will have enough space with Dalembert around? I can't make up my mind about this. They'll all be nice together on defense, though.

[qrich]

Iggy on LA would be fun to see, for some reason he has a very "respectable player on the Clippers" vibe to him.

Do you think Landry and Thompson will have enough space with Dalembert around? I can't make up my mind about this. They'll all be nice together on defense, though.

Yeah, I'd love to see Iggy on LA, think he'd fit in perfectly in between Blake & Gordon on the wings, and if the Clippers go to a running squad, Baron would work well with him.

As far as Dalembert fitting in, I think once they get to know one anothers games, it would work really well.

[GOBB]

Awesome trade for Sacramento, they shed salary (I think) and get a great rebounder, shotblocker, and defender who can give them at least some modicum of toughness. Dalembert's a retard, but his faults really overshadow that he helps teams win. Yeah, he has no offensive game and he's constantly out of position, but he makes up for it by being able to guard legit centers, rebounding, and helping to at least sort of shut down the paint.

Sounds like you guys got a Defensive Player of the Year Candidate. :eek:

:roll:


Philly gets...nothing as far as Nocioni, although he might turn it around in a new situation. I don't think they really need another combo forward, but whatever. The real key here for the 76ers is Hawes, who might be able to be motivated by Collins to rebound and score inside a bit. Still, as far as immediate talent and salary is concerned, this is a huge win (well, huge win in that it makes them far better than it makes Philly, although neither team is going to be in the playoffs for another two years) for Sacramento.

So the Kings are now better than the Sixers. Funny.


By the way, I'm still hoping for Brand and the number 2 pick for Jefferson and the number 4, although I can't see Jefferson and Hawes working out long-term, at least not as well as Dalembert and Jefferson could have. Then again, with Hawes' shooting, it might be even better.

Right and who do the Sixers take at 4?

[Rowe]

I wonder if the Kings are going to keep Dalembert now that I think about it.

They did the same with Larry Hughes when they got him.

If they are going to take Cousins or Monroe at 5. Why keep Sammy?:confusedshrug:

Either hes apart of a bigger deal or hes going to be an expensive backup C.

Hey GOBB, was Sam a team/lockerroom cancer? I kinda want him on the Knicks.

[qrich]

I wonder if the Kings are going to keep Dalembert now that I think about it.

They did the same with Larry Hughes when they got him.

If they are going to take Cousins or Monroe at 5. Why keep Sammy?:confusedshrug:

Either hes apart of a bigger deal or hes going to be an expensive backup C.

Hey GOBB, was Sam a team/lockerroom cancer? I kinda want him on the Knicks.

Sammy + #5 for Kaman + #8 :applause:

Clippers then deal TPE + Sofo's Rights to Phila for Iggy.

Baron - Gordon - Iggy - Griffin - Jordan with #5 and Dally off the bench

[GiveItToBurrito]

Sounds like you guys got a Defensive Player of the Year Candidate. :eek:

:roll:



So the Kings are now better than the Sixers. Funny.



Right and who do the Sixers take at 4?

No, but he's an upgrade over Hawes. Like I said, neither team's going anywhere next year, but Dalembert's a lot more solid than Hawes as a defender. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender by any means, but he has the length and size to match up better with Gasol, Duncan, Bynum, Oden, etc.

The Kings and 76ers are both going to be 25-30 win teams next year, but the Kings will be good sooner, assuming the 76ers take Turner and the Kings get Cousins or Monroe. Collins could whip them into shape defensively next year and they'll be better than they were, but I still don't see them being even remotely good unless Holiday makes some huge leap and becomes an elite playmaker and passer. Philly went to shit once Andre Miller left, all those athletic combo players need someone to throw them lobs.

The Kings ought to take Cousins if they want to shoot for the moon, go with Monroe if they really believe Evans will be an elite guard, Aminu if they plan on keeping Dalembert.

[G-train]

the more I think about it, the worse this trade is for Philly. sure that expirer could have fetched more value?

[GOBB]

I wonder if the Kings are going to keep Dalembert now that I think about it.

They did the same with Larry Hughes when they got him.

If they are going to take Cousins or Monroe at 5. Why keep Sammy?:confusedshrug:

Either hes apart of a bigger deal or hes going to be an expensive backup C.

Hey GOBB, was Sam a team/lockerroom cancer? I kinda want him on the Knicks.

Dalembert was often late to practice. He often complained and pouted in the media about his role, what he could do, how he should be used in the offense. He's had past lockeroom jawing with other players who were fed up with his attitude and approach. Dalembert doesnt have the "name" to make it a big story about team disruption (better word for Dalembert). But that was an issue while he was here. Thats why his minutes dwindled the past 2 seasons.

Work ethic is questionable and his passion for the game doesnt exist much like his low post offense. Maybe a change will spark something in Sammy where he (much like the recent quote Posterize posted) he doesnt feel like its the world against him. Knicks lookin at Dalembert I'd give dude a 3yr $21mil deal at best. Good rebounder/shotblocker (just not great at all) but you better have a PG or playmaker who can set him up for easy buckets because outside of put backs that is the only way he'll pu the ball in the basket. Depending who else was on the roster would dictate how well of a fit Sammy would be.

I wouldnt say he was a huge problem in the lockeroom but he was a problem.

[GOBB]

No, but he's an upgrade over Hawes. Like I said, neither team's going anywhere next year, but Dalembert's a lot more solid than Hawes as a defender. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender by any means, but he has the length and size to match up better with Gasol, Duncan, Bynum, Oden, etc.

Sixers are far ahead of the Kings tho. The things Hawes is weak at opens up the idea Derrick Favors just may be the pick. Given he does 2 things well right now dispite a raw offensive game. And thats rebound and defense.

I dont know what to think about that hoenstly.


The Kings and 76ers are both going to be 25-30 win teams next year

Pretty confident to bet Sixers finish with a better record than the Kings. And have a better oppurtunity to make the playoffs. And in saying this its nothing to brag about. Sixers are in a win now mode, Kings are in a rebuild mode.


The Kings ought to take Cousins if they want to shoot for the moon, go with Monroe if they really believe Evans will be an elite guard, Aminu if they plan on keeping Dalembert.

I think Evans will be an elite guard. As far as Cousins vs Monroe? Dont know who you take. Kings are in position to hopefully add a talent that is a HR much like they did with Tyreke Evans. Pair him with a big man and it works. I would not go Aminu nor would I even consider keeping Dalembert beyond next season. You get your Dalembert replacement with this draft pick.

[Showtime]

The kings also know he's 22 and is going to have a lot of time to improve and he's had a consistent role since last season

the only problem is you can't teach heart, toughness, and a desire to win
You start any player's career in those years in that situation, and 99% of them won't have a ton of heart and desire. Hawes really improved this season defensively and was really consistent during the second half of the season. He will be a solid big man in the league.

[Younggrease]

You start any player's career in those years in that situation, and 99% of them won't have a ton of heart and desire. Hawes really improved this season defensively and was really consistent during the second half of the season. He will be a solid big man in the league.

yeah because that is where heart comes from?

[Lebron23]

Hawes is a good young talent.

[hipballinjigga]

Bump.

[Posterize246]

Forgot Dalembert had that 15% trade kicker in his contract too. Really lowering his value.

Sixers press conference about the trade in 5 minutes.

[artificial]

Damn, why is it that every time I take a day off the internet something like this goes down? I logged in late but I was drunk and took me a while to catch up in this thread. GOBB, Posterize, nice posts in here. Hey, do you need some help to carry Dalembert's luggage to the airport?

Anyway, some thoughts:

The second I heard Dalembert was gone, I was extatic. Best news I've had in a long while.

Though thinking about it closely, this wasn't a trade too lopsided. Still, I never thought we could get some semi-decent center plus another player for Dalembert.

Hawes is as soft as they come at C. One of the few advantages he brings is that he is young and learning, so hopefully he can develop some consistency, although I'm not putting my money into that. Still, I believe he is good for at least 20 mins a night. That said, if Jason Smith ever plans to pan out, this is his do or die season.

On Nocioni, I know his contract is horrible and that last season he sucked and bla bla bla. But I'm playing naive on this one. He is a very capable and scrappy player. What I love about him is that every time he is on the court he plays as if it was his last. That often translates into him becoming a bit of a black whole, sure. But I'll take his toughness. And ocassionally he will hit a 3-pter, while banging some boards. All he needs is to be motivated.

Roster situation:

As of now, the depth chart looks like this (I include Turner, since from everything I've read it's almost a given that he will be picked):

PG Jrue / Lou / Meeks
SG Turner / Green
SF Iggy / Young / Nocioni / Kapono
PF Brand / Speights
C Hawes / Smith

Shuffle the starting lineup if you don't like it; however those are the guys.

Iggy can't play SG, he kept the whole last season proving that. And you don't want to see Young spending too much time at the 4. And Nocioni wasn't brought to not play. So either Stefanski is planning on making more moves (he is completely in love with Young, so you can almost rule out Young being shipped), or the rotation could look like this:

SG Turner / Iggy / Nocioni / Green
SF Iggy / Young / Nocioni
PF Brand / Young / Speights
C Hawes / Speights / Smith

Hopefully a trade. That big man rotation looks horribly soft.

All in all, I'm happy about getting Noce (sue me for that) and most of all, finally getting rid of dumbass Dumblembert.


‘’It’s like, wow, a fresh start, a team really wants me," Dalember told the Daily News' Phil Jasner in a phone interview today. "I believe I can help (the Kings) tremendously. Philly never said ‘You can really do this.’ I never felt I had a chance to be the player I’m capable of being.’’
Dalembert will finally use his "secret" weapon. Get ready to see Dalembert make it rain from the perimeter!!

[Styles p]

im just glad to see that ass clown finally gone after 9 years. they could have given us adam morrison and a bag of pretzels and i would have been happy.

[bdreason]

Sounds to me like the 76ers aren't drafting Turner. Either that or they have another trade on the horizon.

[33teeth]

On Nocioni, I know his contract is horrible and that last season he sucked and bla bla bla. But I'm playing naive on this one. He is a very capable and scrappy player. What I love about him is that every time he is on the court he plays as if it was his last. That often translates into him becoming a bit of a black whole, sure. But I'll take his toughness. And ocassionally he will hit a 3-pter, while banging some boards. All he needs is to be motivated.


Sigh. I don't think it's true that he always plays as if the game was his last unless you mean hacking and swiping on defense and chucking horrid 3's on offense. Then taking a quarter off completely. :confusedshrug:

Dude has good moments and at least as many bad ones. I'd wager that anyone who hated Dalembert is going to at least dislike Noc. Unless he's an almost completely different player than he's been the last two years.

[gilalizard]

How is this a great deal for Philly? My mother always told me be careful what you wish for. I replied yeah yeah yeah and she counters you'll see. Well now I see. Mom is always right. I cried about getting rid of Dalembert and when they do? They get back in return a crap deal.

Nocioni contract expires when? Yeah just what I thought. And Hawes is a vanilla ice cream cone. He is soft. We have Jason Smith. Whats another with a buzz cut eh? Come on Philly. Hopefully this isnt true. I dont like this deal. You cant get back better for Sammy's expirer? Serious?

You gotta listen to your moms. She is always right.

Of course, if you listen to her and it turns out she was wrong, it's time to steal her Social Security check and head to Vegas.

And when she asks "Why Junior why?" You tell her, "Being wrong has consequences, Moms."

[GOBB]

gilializard ummm ok.


Forgot Dalembert had that 15% trade kicker in his contract too. Really lowering his value.

Sixers press conference about the trade in 5 minutes.

He makes $14mil next year. Holy crap. :eek:


Sounds to me like the 76ers aren't drafting Turner. Either that or they have another trade on the horizon.

I think Turner is the guy given what Stefanski/Collins said today in interviews. But another trade could be on the horizon. I see a trade before I see a change of drafting Favors/Cousins over Turner.

[Posterize246]

For the speculation that the Sixers aren't done trading...


Could this move be the first of several by Stefanski before Collins gets his hands on the team and begins the process of bettering a club that was woeful in winning just 27 games last season?

"We'll continue to listen to anyone who wants to talk to us," said Stefanski. "I imagine that we'll stay where we are with [next week's] No. 2 pick, unless someone absolutely blows us away. But, as far as making moves to better the team, I don't think we're done."

Here's Stefanski and Collins talking about the trade...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/Sports_Video_SIXERS.html

[GOBB]

Who you think we gonna trade Posterize? We're less than a week away from the draft where this roster could go thru another change!

[Posterize246]

Who you think we gonna trade Posterize? We're less than a week away from the draft where this roster could go thru another change!
I'm still stuck on that Eskin interview I posted here a couple weeks ago where Stefanski spoke so highly of Thaddeus Young while also talking about Iguodala being highly coveted throughout the league and that teams were "not afraid to take on his large contract". It would be my guess. Kapono won't be able to get on the floor at all with Turner/Iggy/Noc/Young/Green/Meeks and he's a decent sized expirer that could be valuable to someone. My guess would be Iguodala though. I think everyone on the team could be being shopped right now besides Holiday. I'd like to see Lou Williams stay too. Probably our best 1 on 1 scorer, young, okay outside shooter, and his contract is really good considering the production he gives.

Speaking of Kapono, that was one of the reasons I liked the Nocioni grab. They've added so many 3 point shooters to the team recently (Kapono, Rush, Carney, Meeks) who at the same time were so 1 dimensional they couldn't get on the floor to begin with. Noc is good enough that he can get on the floor and knock down threes while he's out there instead of being put out there for the sole purpose of shooting threes.

[el gringos]

Phi gets + m redd + kenyon martin +balkman + c bell
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Mil gets + igoudala + brand + birdman + nocioni
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Denver gets + illyasova + gadzurich + j smith + lou williams + kapono
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Holiday/lawson