Kobe Bryant vs. John Havlicek

[Doctor K]

Who deserves to be higher all-time????


Kobe Bryant:

12 Time All-Star
12 All-NBA Selections
5 NBA Championships
2 Final MVPs

Peak Statline:

30.0ppg-6.9rpg-5.9apg
All-Defensive 1st


John Havlicek:

13 Time All-Star
11 All-NBA Selections
8 NBA Championships
2 Final MVPs*

Peak Statline:

28.9ppg-9.0rpg-7.5apg
All-Defensive 1st







Who do you have? Both pretty close. They had even statistics at their peaks, even amount of All-Stars and All-NBA selections. Kobe has 5 titles and 2 as the best player. Havlicek has 8 titles, and at least 3 of them he was considered the best player in. He would've had 2 Final MVPs too it appears had they kept the award back then. He did get it for his 74 performance, and would've also had it for his 68 performance.



All in all, close....I'll take Havlicek, more titles and more as the best player on his team!!! Also, at this point Havlicek has a big longevity edge too.

[Jacks3]

Good comparison,but Kobe's peak is generally considered to be his 05-06 yr.

[Doctor K]

Good comparison,but Kobe's peak is generally considered to be his 05-06 yr.
Well maybe yes. But I just chose that year because it was more All-Around, to match Havlicek's even more All-Around year. It would be harder to compare the 06 season because it was less All-Around.

[griffmoney2084]

cheer picker lol

il play this game even though havlicek isnt on anyones top 10 list anywhere any time


Havlicek - 4 1st team all nba's
Kobe - 8 1st team all nba's

that right there means kobe is double havlicek in peak play

Havlicek - 0 mvps
Kobe - 1 mvp

the amount of mvps doesnt matter, but try being top 10 without one

Havlicek - 5 1st team defense's
Kobe - 8 1st team defense's

3 more and will probably add to that


again...............................need i remind people kobes only 31 and his storey isnt even finished yet he blows most legends out of the water with his career achivements lol


Havlicek - 1 finals mvp
Kobe - 2 finals mvps

noticed the OP got that wrong too, he has an asterisk, guess its his way of telling us its a lie :lol


Havlicek - 20ppg
Kobe - 25ppg

you have to atleast average 25ppg to be considered a legendary go to guy



Havlicek - 43%fg's
Kobe - 45% fg's

JESUS he cant even beat kobe in a useless non true shooting statistic, which is the basis of 100% of kobe bashing threads
:no:





oh yeah and ( cough ) BILL.............RUSSELL ? anyone? anyone lol comon



put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11

[Doctor K]

cheer picker lol

il play this game even though havlicek isnt on anyones top 10 list anywhere any time


Havlicek - 4 1st team all nba's
Kobe - 8 1st team all nba's

that right there means kobe is double havlicek in peak play

Havlicek - 0 mvps
Kobe - 1 mvp

the amount of mvps doesnt matter, but try being top 10 without one

Havlicek - 5 1st team defense's
Kobe - 8 1st team defense's

3 more and will probably add to that


again...............................need i remind people kobes only 31 and his storey isnt even finished yet he blows most legends out of the water with his career achivements lol


Havlicek - 1 finals mvp
Kobe - 2 finals mvps

noticed the OP got that wrong too, he has an asterisk, guess its his way of telling us its a lie :lol


Havlicek - 20ppg
Kobe - 25ppg

you have to atleast average 25ppg to be considered a legendary go to guy



Havlicek - 43%fg's
Kobe - 45% fg's

JESUS he cant even beat kobe in a useless non true shooting statistic, which is the basis of 100% of kobe bashing threads
:no:





oh yeah and ( cough ) BILL.............RUSSELL ? anyone? anyone lol comon



put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11


So because the Finals MVP Award wasn't around all of Havlicek's career and was around Kobe's career, we should say Kobe give Kobe more credit for his Finals MVPs? :lol So I guess Kobe since has more Finals MVPs than Russell ,that's an argument of Kobe > Russell.

The fact is, Havlicek clearly would've got it in 68. Check the stats yourself. His Game 6 clinching performance was a 40/10/7.


FG% were generally lower in the 60s. So weak argument.



Lastly, Havlicek won with and without Russell. He won 6 with Russell, and 2 more without him. Sound familiar to Kobe and Shaq? But at the end of the day, he has 8 titles, with 3 as best player. And Kobe has 5 with 2 as best player. Forget the Final MVPs. 3 > 2.


Sure Kobe is 31 and will pass him someday. But right now, Havlicek's longevity is far mroe than Kobe's, and he has higher career totals.

[ImmortalD24]

cheer picker lol

il play this game even though havlicek isnt on anyones top 10 list anywhere any time


Havlicek - 4 1st team all nba's
Kobe - 8 1st team all nba's

that right there means kobe is double havlicek in peak play

Havlicek - 0 mvps
Kobe - 1 mvp

the amount of mvps doesnt matter, but try being top 10 without one

Havlicek - 5 1st team defense's
Kobe - 8 1st team defense's

3 more and will probably add to that


again...............................need i remind people kobes only 31 and his storey isnt even finished yet he blows most legends out of the water with his career achivements lol


Havlicek - 1 finals mvp
Kobe - 2 finals mvps

noticed the OP got that wrong too, he has an asterisk, guess its his way of telling us its a lie :lol


Havlicek - 20ppg
Kobe - 25ppg

you have to atleast average 25ppg to be considered a legendary go to guy



Havlicek - 43%fg's
Kobe - 45% fg's

JESUS he cant even beat kobe in a useless non true shooting statistic, which is the basis of 100% of kobe bashing threads
:no:





oh yeah and ( cough ) BILL.............RUSSELL ? anyone? anyone lol comon



put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11
pwnd. /thread

[ProfessorMurder]

And Kobe has 5 with 2 as best player.

He wasn't the best player this time either. I'd say he was the best on his team once.

[TryToBeUnbias]

put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11
:oldlol: :applause:

[JtotheIzzo]

wow, when I read the thread title, I thought:

"Another Kobe hater thread, this is a diss to Kobe."

But actually, Hondo did some shit and it is a lot closer than people realize. If Hondo didn't play in the lost era (70s) we might remember him more fondly.

My question is, if ISH was around then, would there be endless "Where does Hondo rank all time?" "Is Hondo in your top five" etc...threads?

Having a lot of athletes (read: blacks) plying their trade in the ABA at the time does take a bit of luster off Havlicek's diamond and thus:

Kobe > Hondo.

[StacksOnDeck]

Griff shut the thread down. mods, delete.

[Kblaze8855]

Hondo is the disregarded guy who really has the legacy of an all time great but nobody cares about. Boston fans voted him the best celtic of all time in the 70s...over russell. He put up straight superstar numbersi n the playoffs from the mid 60s to the mid 70s. He wasnt on some roleplayer shit most of the time. For the last 3 title runs with Russell around he put up 24/9/4, 26/9/8, and 25/10/6.

He could realistically be like a 15 time all star. He was putting up 20/5 in his second season and wasnt an all star...but he made it putting up 19/6 years later. If they had the loose definition of assists we use back then he might well have been a 29/11/9 player.

He had rings as a high scoring 6th man, rings as his teams leading scorer(though not best player), and rings when Russell was gone. He just has the bad(well...depending on how you look at it) luck of being teamed with someone to overshadow him all the time.

He won it all in college...on a team with Jerry Lucas. Guy forgotten today but he was considered one of the best players in the world for some time. Top 50 all time. All that. And a bigman...bigmen get the credit.

He then went to the NBA to be outshined by Russell.

Russell left and they draft Cowens. Another bigman to get the love. Didnt hurt that cowens was a legit superstar....plus loved because of his style of play.

John was born to be the winner in the background.

Id say he should have stuck with football where he could have gotten attention relative to his accomplishments.....but he was drafted to Cleveland. Where he of course would have been outshined by...Jim Brown.

Yes...John Havlicek was drafted by the NFL.

[ImmortalD24]

Hondo is the disregarded guy who really has the legacy of an all time great but nobody cares about. Boston fans voted him the best celtic of all time in the 70s...over russell. Interesting. I'm sure most in Boston would pick Bird over Russell today as well. How much of that do you think has to do with Boston's not so subtle racism? or is it more recent-ism (ala the new goat theory)?

[RazorBaLade]

He wasn't the best player this time either. I'd say he was the best on his team once.

How are u getting on the internet from a padded room? :ohwell:

[MAC system]

Hondo is the disregarded guy who really has the legacy of an all time great but nobody cares about. Boston fans voted him the best celtic of all time in the 70s...over russell. He put up straight superstar numbersi n the playoffs from the mid 60s to the mid 70s. He wasnt on some roleplayer shit most of the time. For the last 3 title runs with Russell around he put up 24/9/4, 26/9/8, and 25/10/6.

He could realistically be like a 15 time all star. He was putting up 20/5 in his second season and wasnt an all star...but he made it putting up 19/6 years later. If they had the loose definition of assists we use back then he might well have been a 29/11/9 player.

He had rings as a high scoring 6th man, rings as his teams leading scorer(though not best player), and rings when Russell was gone. He just has the bad(well...depending on how you look at it) luck of being teamed with someone to overshadow him all the time.

He won it all in college...on a team with Jerry Lucas. Guy forgotten today but he was considered one of the best players in the world for some time. Top 50 all time. All that. And a bigman...bigmen get the credit.

He then went to the NBA to be outshined by Russell.

Russell left and they draft Cowens. Another bigman to get the love. Didnt hurt that cowens was a legit superstar....plus loved because of his style of play.

John was born to be the winner in the background.

Id say he should have stuck with football where he could have gotten attention relative to his accomplishments.....but he was drafted to Cleveland. Where he of course would have been outshined by...Jim Brown.

Yes...John Havlicek was drafted by the NFL.
KBlaze is always bring the truth to threads. He is, by far, the most knowledgeable poster on this forum.

[MAC system]

He wasn't the best player this time either. I'd say he was the best on his team once.
Dumb stats are for dumb people. Kobe=5x champ.

[TrueDiesel3]

Hondo is constantly disregarded in lists, like greatest small forwards ever and greatest players ever....To me, he's honestly the 3rd greatest small forward of all-time only behind Larry Bird and Dr. J. He is above Pippen, Baylor, Barry, Worthy, Nique, etc.. However, the answer to this thread is still Kobe.

Hondo having zero NBA MVPs in his career somewhat hurts him. If he did have an NBA MVP at one point, I think most people would consider him greater than Erving.

[ginobli2311]

cheer picker lol

il play this game even though havlicek isnt on anyones top 10 list anywhere any time


Havlicek - 4 1st team all nba's
Kobe - 8 1st team all nba's

that right there means kobe is double havlicek in peak play

Havlicek - 0 mvps
Kobe - 1 mvp

the amount of mvps doesnt matter, but try being top 10 without one

Havlicek - 5 1st team defense's
Kobe - 8 1st team defense's

3 more and will probably add to that


again...............................need i remind people kobes only 31 and his storey isnt even finished yet he blows most legends out of the water with his career achivements lol


Havlicek - 1 finals mvp
Kobe - 2 finals mvps

noticed the OP got that wrong too, he has an asterisk, guess its his way of telling us its a lie :lol


Havlicek - 20ppg
Kobe - 25ppg

you have to atleast average 25ppg to be considered a legendary go to guy



Havlicek - 43%fg's
Kobe - 45% fg's

JESUS he cant even beat kobe in a useless non true shooting statistic, which is the basis of 100% of kobe bashing threads
:no:





oh yeah and ( cough ) BILL.............RUSSELL ? anyone? anyone lol comon



put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11


this is why most kobe homers are just morons. oh yea and (cough) Shaq? anyone lol comon


put wade with shaq for 8 years and he doesnt stop at 3.

see how that works both ways dude?

[ginobli2311]

kobe is a better player than havlicek. its pretty obvious if you look at how they played the game and what each player was capable of and which player separated himself from the competition more often.

but lol at a kobe homer's......you want to used context to explain away havlicek's great career in terms of titles and playoff success. you can't have it both ways.

last time i checked havlicek has more titles than kobe and he was either the best or 2nd best player on almost all those title teams.

this is exactly why team success is such a flawed way to rank players. its beyond idiotic to put so much weight into team success. its a factor.....but not the most important one.........this thread makes it even more obvious

[Yung D-Will]

[/B]

this is why most kobe homers are just morons. oh yea and (cough) Shaq? anyone lol comon


put wade with shaq for 8 years and he doesnt stop at 3.

see how that works both ways dude?

Love the speculation yet again.

Hey put Adam Morrison on the 76ers an they have 25 championships
:rolleyes:

[ginobli2311]

Love the speculation yet again.

Hey put Adam Morrison on the 76ers an they have 25 championships
:rolleyes:

i was responding to the speculation above moron. stop trolling and try to add to the discussion. using your brain to bring logic, context, and speculation is what a debate is all about. you don't have a brain....so you can't understand this concept.

if we are not creating context or speculation then:

havlicek is better than kobe.....end of story

8 titles in 16 years is better than 5 titles in 14 years. no context or speculation = fine by me.

move over kobe.....havlicek is now top ten all time

[Yung D-Will]

stop trolling and try to add to the discussion. using your brain to bring logic, context, and speculation is what a debate is all about. you don't have a brain....so you can't understand this concept.

if we are not creating context or speculation then:

havlicek is better than kobe.....end of story

8 titles in 16 years is better than 5 titles in 14 years. no context or speculation = fine by me.

move over kobe.....havlicek is now top ten all time


Lmao :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/26/633712313133354210-Namecalling.jpg

[ginobli2311]

Yung D-Will
This message is hidden because Yung D-Will is on your ignore list.


you had your chance to participate in a debate about basketball. you chose to try to add nothing. sorry....don't care what you say. you either don't have a brain or you choose not to use it.

[Se]

cheer picker lol

il play this game even though havlicek isnt on anyones top 10 list anywhere any time


Havlicek - 4 1st team all nba's
Kobe - 8 1st team all nba's

that right there means kobe is double havlicek in peak play

Havlicek - 0 mvps
Kobe - 1 mvp

the amount of mvps doesnt matter, but try being top 10 without one

Havlicek - 5 1st team defense's
Kobe - 8 1st team defense's

3 more and will probably add to that


again...............................need i remind people kobes only 31 and his storey isnt even finished yet he blows most legends out of the water with his career achivements lol


Havlicek - 1 finals mvp
Kobe - 2 finals mvps

noticed the OP got that wrong too, he has an asterisk, guess its his way of telling us its a lie :lol


Havlicek - 20ppg
Kobe - 25ppg

you have to atleast average 25ppg to be considered a legendary go to guy



Havlicek - 43%fg's
Kobe - 45% fg's

JESUS he cant even beat kobe in a useless non true shooting statistic, which is the basis of 100% of kobe bashing threads
:no:





oh yeah and ( cough ) BILL.............RUSSELL ? anyone? anyone lol comon



put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11

Good post.

I'm a die-hard Celtics fan, and I wouldn't argue for Havlicek over Bryant.

Kobe is a top 12 player of all-time, while Hondo is top 25

[Rekindled]

cheer picker lol

il play this game even though havlicek isnt on anyones top 10 list anywhere any time


Havlicek - 4 1st team all nba's
Kobe - 8 1st team all nba's

that right there means kobe is double havlicek in peak play

Havlicek - 0 mvps
Kobe - 1 mvp

the amount of mvps doesnt matter, but try being top 10 without one

Havlicek - 5 1st team defense's
Kobe - 8 1st team defense's

3 more and will probably add to that


again...............................need i remind people kobes only 31 and his storey isnt even finished yet he blows most legends out of the water with his career achivements lol


Havlicek - 1 finals mvp
Kobe - 2 finals mvps

noticed the OP got that wrong too, he has an asterisk, guess its his way of telling us its a lie :lol


Havlicek - 20ppg
Kobe - 25ppg

you have to atleast average 25ppg to be considered a legendary go to guy



Havlicek - 43%fg's
Kobe - 45% fg's

JESUS he cant even beat kobe in a useless non true shooting statistic, which is the basis of 100% of kobe bashing threads
:no:





oh yeah and ( cough ) BILL.............RUSSELL ? anyone? anyone lol comon



put kobe with bill and he doesnt stop at 11


so by your logic, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing , Drob , Bird etc. were all not go to guys.

[Doctor K]

wow, when I read the thread title, I thought:

"Another Kobe hater thread, this is a diss to Kobe."

But actually, Hondo did some shit and it is a lot closer than people realize. If Hondo didn't play in the lost era (70s) we might remember him more fondly.

My question is, if ISH was around then, would there be endless "Where does Hondo rank all time?" "Is Hondo in your top five" etc...threads?

Having a lot of athletes (read: blacks) plying their trade in the ABA at the time does take a bit of luster off Havlicek's diamond and thus:

Kobe > Hondo.

Havlicek was one of the best players in the late 60s as well. He actually had a big rivalry with Jerry West, they were like on the same level. Had some classic battles in the NBA Finals.

[Doctor K]

I'm just saying. Kobe wins a title, as the main guy, and now he is Top 10. And that's his main argument. 5 Titles + 2 as the Main Guy = Top 10.

However, Havlicek has more titles, and more as the main guy, yet he is not even close? :oldlol:
He has the Individual Allocades (10+ All-NBA/All-Star) and Longevity to back himself up too. He was a good defender, scorer, passer, rebounder, and everything.

[ginobli2311]

I'm just saying. Kobe wins a title, as the main guy, and now he is Top 10. And that's his main argument. 5 Titles + 2 as the Main Guy = Top 10.

However, Havlicek has more titles, and more as the main guy, yet he is not even close? :oldlol:
He has the Individual Allocades (10+ All-NBA/All-Star) and Longevity to back himself up too. He was a good defender, scorer, passer, rebounder, and everything.


you are dead on. its simple though. kobe was just a little bit better of an overall player. going to titles as the man or total rings is not a good way to debate players. this thread is perfect evidence of this.

you have done a great job of showing that hondo still remains quite under-rated all time and that he had a truly great career. but most importantly....hondo was a great player that played the game as well as the truly elite of all time.

[FCN]

Havlicek all day.

Kobe is not a top ten all-time.

[Lebron23]

Hondo

[Heavincent]

Hondo

Why the **** did you bump this just to say something retarded like that :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Bladers]

Why the **** did you bump this just to say something retarded like that :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Why the fool isn't banned idk.

[Heavincent]

He just bumps some random ass thread from a ****ing year ago :facepalm

I don't get it. It's not like someone said something that eventually turned out to be completely wrong (like the Championship Cruise thread), he just bumped some completely random comparison topic. What the hell is the point in that :facepalm

[Bladers]

He just bumps some random ass thread from a ****ing year ago :facepalm

I don't get it. It's not like someone said something that eventually turned out to be completely wrong (like the Championship Cruise thread), he just bumped some completely random comparison topic. What the hell is the point in that :facepalm

He's mentally deficient.

[Lebron23]

8x NBA Champion >>> 5x NBA Champion. Hondo could have won another NBA Finals MVP if the NBA started giving these awards pre 1969.

[Heavincent]

8x NBA Champion >>> 5x NBA Champion. Hondo could have won another NBA Finals MVP if the NBA started giving these awards pre 1969.

5X NBA Champion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0X NBA Champion

[Lebron23]

5X NBA Champion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0X NBA Champion

U are really a butt hurt son of a B1tch? This thread is not even about LeBron vs. Kobe. LeBron's career is not yet officially over.

[Heavincent]

U are really a butt hurt son of a B1tch? This thread is not even about LeBron vs. Kobe. LeBron's career is not yet officially over.

Do you ever have rational thoughts?

[Bladers]

Do you ever have rational thoughts?

you are asking too much from a senior citizen.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5660/75557807.png

[c3z4r]

U are really a butt hurt son of a B1tch? This thread is not even about LeBron vs. Kobe. LeBron's career is not yet officially over.

neutral fan here, but you were the one that started the rings argument with
8rings>5rings

So you're the one seeming butthurt : )

[bizil]

Hondo is a great, great player. He's ranked anywhere from 2 to 5 on most people's GOAT SF list. But Kobe has passed Hondo by. Peak value wise I always considered Kobe better than Hondo. But on a GOAT list, Kobe had to put in some work to pass Hondo by. And in the last few years Kobe has indeed done that as well. Perimeter player wise, the Big 4 are MJ, Magic, Kobe, and Bird. Then u got the guys like Dr. J, Big O, Isiah, West, and Hondo.

[eliteballer]

havliceks best years came when the professional talent pool was diluted because of 2 leagues(NBA/ABA) and extreme expansion.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is top 10 alltime
Hondo is top 20-25 alltime

[32Dayz]

He wasn't the best player this time either. I'd say he was the best on his team once.

Very true.

Kobe was only the best in 09.

Gasol was playoff and FMVP in 2010 although no Kobe fans would ever accept that factual info.

[DKLaker]

Dumb ass kid who never saw him play and looks at some stats :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

I saw him play and he wasn't sh!t compared to Kobe.

[HighFlyer23]

lol that scrub wouldn't even make a middle school team let alone an NBA roster and he's being compared to Kobe

60s white trash scrubs lol

[32Dayz]

lol that scrub wouldn't even make a middle school team let alone an NBA roster and he's being compared to Kobe

60s white trash scrubs lol

:facepalm

[MMM]

Hondo was a better 2 way player than kobe and while Bryant has been on more all defensive teams i think that shows what type of fraud that award is since kobe hasn't been an elite defender in years.

[Doctor Rivers]

I love my lebron

:roll:

[dreja]

Championships .......
1974 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1976 Boston Celtics (NBA ).....> during ABA (Julius Erving, George Gervin, Connie Hawkins, David Thompson , Moses Malone, George McGinnis ,Artis Gilmore ..) years.

Hondo not always played against the best players of his era. Kobe, yes

[pauk]

*bump*

Instead of starting a new Hondo thread ill just post here that Hondo was also 8 of 8 in Finals.... GOAT by ISH "x of x in Finals" logic aswell...? :biggums:

[SOD 21]

John Havlicek is underrated by many and certainly worthy of mention against many of the top players in league history. He has legitimate claim to being a top twenty player of all-time. It's good to see him get some mention and props.

With that said though, Kobe Bryant currently has been selected to seven more first team All NBA selections and has finished top five in the MVP voting eleven times compared to only two for John Havlicek. That is significant in how they were viewed in their era. It isn't worth mentioning All Defensive teams since they didn't exist for the first six seasons that Havlicek was in the NBA or else he'd easily probably have another 3-4 selections realistically than what he finished with.

In addition to Kobe being viewed a top five player at least eleven times based on MVP voting, Kobe's TS% is six percent higher than Havlicek, who shot under 50% TS in his career. Havlicek was also not a very efficient scorer with only a 1.10 point per shot in his career, far below elite scorers like Kobe at 1.30 pps, Jordan at 1.32 pps and Havlicek's peer in Jerry West at 1.32 pps.

[red1]

hondo obviously before my time but just looking at their careers this one goes to beaner

[RRR3]

Probably closer than Mamba stans will admit, but Kobe looks to be the clear choice here. That said, a lot of the things that Kobe kidz use to prop up Bean could also be used for Hondo. Hondo is always ignored by Kobe fans, I wonder why?

[NBASTATMAN]

So because the Finals MVP Award wasn't around all of Havlicek's career and was around Kobe's career, we should say Kobe give Kobe more credit for his Finals MVPs? :lol So I guess Kobe since has more Finals MVPs than Russell ,that's an argument of Kobe > Russell.

The fact is, Havlicek clearly would've got it in 68. Check the stats yourself. His Game 6 clinching performance was a 40/10/7.


FG% were generally lower in the 60s. So weak argument.



Lastly, Havlicek won with and without Russell. He won 6 with Russell, and 2 more without him. Sound familiar to Kobe and Shaq? But at the end of the day, he has 8 titles, with 3 as best player. And Kobe has 5 with 2 as best player. Forget the Final MVPs. 3 > 2.


Sure Kobe is 31 and will pass him someday. But right now, Havlicek's longevity is far mroe than Kobe's, and he has higher career totals.



You expect a KOBESTAN to actually know something about the history of basketball before Kobe? :facepalm

[GODbe]

:facepalm Havlicek played in the 60s. Nuff said.

[LAZERUSS]

:facepalm Havlicek played in the 60s. Nuff said.


And to the end of the 70's...

[houston]

He was basically Scottie Pippen of his era. He benefitted from ABA taking the great wings in that era. But dope player none the less

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hondo was on Pierces lvl not Kobes

[sportjames23]

You expect a KOBESTAN to actually know something about the history of basketball before Kobe? :facepalm


I wonder who has more knowledge of NBA history--a Kobestan or a Lebronstan?

[sportjames23]

:facepalm Havlicek played in the 60s. Nuff said.


Exhibit A. :facepalm

[Eric Cartman]

:facepalm Havlicek played in the 60s. Nuff said.

This idiot puts all us kobe stans to shame. Damn you.