The Lakers should trade Kobe now

[beermonsteroo]

Really, at this point of time, the Lakers should really considring trading Kobe.
Kobe is clearly on the decline and nobody knows for sure how long he can keep playing on a very high level. It wouldn't come as a suprise if Kobe is more or less done in one or two years. That's not hating, it happens to every player and considering the minutes Kobe has already played, it will happen to Kobe sooner or later too.
So if things are going bad for the Lakers they will have to pay a max contract for the next 6 years without really benifiting of him on the court.
So why not use the Kobe hype as long as it exists and trade him now. They certainly could get some very decent players and draftpicks in return.
You know, it's just like on Wall Street. You have to sell your shares when they are worth the most. Not when they are going down.
Over the course of the next 7 years the Lakers will be better off if they trade Kobe now. At least there is a very high change for this.

[BlueandGold]

nah

MJ > 3 rings at 31
Kobe > 5 rings at 31

Kobe has more of a finassee game than Michael as well. Kobe gonna stay a Laker his entire career. lol u mad

[All Net]

Really, at this point of time, the Lakers should really considring trading Kobe.
Kobe is clearly on the decline and nobody knows for sure how long he can keep playing on a very high level. It wouldn't come as a suprise if Kobe is more or less done in one or two years. That's not hating, it happens to every player and considering the minutes Kobe has already played, it will happen to Kobe sooner or later too.
So if things are going bad for the Lakers they will have to pay a max contract for the next 6 years without really benifiting of him on the court.
So why not use the Kobe hype as long as it exists and trade him now. They certainly could get some very decent players and draftpicks in return.
You know, it's just like on Wall Street. You have to sell your shares when they are worth the most. Not when they are going down.
Over the course of the next 7 years the Lakers will be better off if they trade Kobe now. At least there is a very high change for this.

:oldlol: :oldlol: Where ISH happens!!

[beermonsteroo]

nah

MJ > 3 rings at 31
Kobe > 5 rings at 31

Kobe has more of a finassee game than Michael as well. Kobe gonna stay a Laker his entire career. lol u mad

The differnce is that Jordan was only signing one year contracts from 95-98. So there was no risk for the Bulls. The lakers are commited to pay Kobe like 120 Dollars for the next 6 seasons. That's a finacial risk, as well as it limits their chances to sign other top players. Kobe has a lot more minutes in his legs then Jordan had at age 31. Plus Jordan was an world wide icon which Kobe isn't.

[snipes12]

Kobe for barea + stevenson

gasol
bynum
artest
stevenson
barea

SICK!!

[BlueandGold]

:oldlol: :oldlol: Where ISH happens!!

lol @ mad eurotrash who can't even watch NBA live in his poor country.

[beermonsteroo]

lol @ mad eurotrash who can't even watch NBA live in his poor country.


What are you talking about? Like 150 games are broadcasted live at Sky.

[plowking]

nah

MJ > 3 rings at 31
Kobe > 5 rings at 31

Kobe has more of a finassee game than Michael as well. Kobe gonna stay a Laker his entire career. lol u mad

Wow.

I thought coming into the thread the OP's first post couldn't be matched in retardedness. But damn, ISH makes miracles happen.


lol @ mad eurotrash who can't even watch NBA live in his poor country.

Yet again... dumb as dog shit. You make baby jesus weep due to your stupidity.


Have you contributed anything to this forum?

[coin24]

I really hope you're joking, else you are clearly retarded:hammerhead:

He just won a championship and you think he's done? Really???

[beermonsteroo]

Why not trading Kobe and targeting a top level free agent. Plus getting some decent players or draft picks for Kobe. In the long term this would make much more sense then keeping Kobe.

[coin24]

Top level free agent?????? Um I would rather have him on my team as obviously its a winning combination than any of the other FA's:hammerhead:

Who would you trade hime for then?

[AJ2k8]

Why not trading Kobe and targeting a top level free agent. Plus getting some decent players or draft picks for Kobe. In the long term this would make much more sense then keeping Kobe.

...maybe because he has a no trade clause in his contract?:confusedshrug:

[beermonsteroo]

I really hope you're joking, else you are clearly retarded:hammerhead:

He just won a championship and you think he's done? Really???

I didn't say he is done at this point. That's why you have to trade him now. He is worth a lot now, but who knows what the situation will be in one or two years. Kobe is obviously decling already and nobody knows how long he can stay at a top level. How many guards have been at Top Level over the age of 32 apart of Jordan? Therfore i hardly doubt Kobe will be worth 120 million dollars for the next 6 seasons. No way he'll be able to lead teams to championchips over the next 6 years. If the Lakers would trade him now, they could make the franchise an almost certain title contender for the next 6 years.

[AK47DR91]

Kobe has too much off the court value for LA to even think about trading him. Plus, he can still bring it on the court too.

[coin24]

That is plain dumb. Im glad you have no control over a bball team lol..:lol

You're worried about 1 to 2 years away? Imagine trading him for say.. Lebron. You fail to make the finals again, or he gets injured etc, same what ifs. Except you have a winning team right now, WHY THE FU#K WOULD YOU CHANGE THAT????

Kobe is far from done, as for the decline that is a waayy overused ISH moron term. Did you watch the playoffs at all this season? Or did you read about his game 7 poor shooting on here only and decide he must be finished????

[knickscity]

Why not trading Kobe and targeting a top level free agent. Plus getting some decent players or draft picks for Kobe. In the long term this would make much more sense then keeping Kobe.

How do you trade arguably the best player in the League right after he just won a campionship?

This is dumb as hell! Winning makes more sense than draft picks.

Oh yeah the Lakers should be thinking about rebuilding.

Come on dude. Stop, just stop.

[EricForman]

The differnce is that Jordan was only signing one year contracts from 95-98. So there was no risk for the Bulls. The lakers are commited to pay Kobe like 120 Dollars for the next 6 seasons. That's a finacial risk, as well as it limits their chances to sign other top players. Kobe has a lot more minutes in his legs then Jordan had at age 31. Plus Jordan was an world wide icon which Kobe isn't.
:oldlol:

[oh the horror]

In an imaginary world....Trading Kobe now, would probably get LA a TON of younger talent, and or high draft picks too, money, etc...They could fortify the hell out of their team realistically. To acquire Kobe, right now...you'd have to trade away your entire roster.



But in REALITY however, they just won a championship....Kobe is still ballin' and there is no way in HELL you could successfully do that to a LEGION of Los Angeles fans, without them burning down the staples center.

[Lyoto15]

This so called kobe bryant decline is way to overrated !
His athletic ability is not what it used to be, but other than that I don't see this obvious decline.

He is still able to put up 30 ppg at an efficient rate.. I think you guys forgot the way he started this season.

Kobe is staying a laker for life, the lakers are NEVER trading him, even if it just out of respect for his laker career.

[oh the horror]

Still, OP made one single good point...Ive questioned Kobe's extra fat, super large contract this time around. Dude is going to be making HUGE money during years where his level of play is going to be severely deteriorated. He will NOT be the same player in 4 years.

[All Net]

Kobe averaged 28, 5 and 5 this year while being hurt basically all year. the fact people say he is declining basketball wise is a joke. I still expect him being able to put up 20, 5 and 5 even at age 36-37 yet st 31 he is suddenly not going to be still great for the next several years? laughable.

[oh the horror]

I dont know, I just think one has to question minutes played, and miliage in terms of players that came out of HS, rather than age.



Now, im not advocating that they "trade Kobe" because lets face it, that is just a silly idea....but I do see how people would be concerned with how his production along the next few years is going to pan out.

[Lyoto15]

There won't be nothing wrong with kobe's production.
He is probably the hardest working player in the league, he will make sure he will be effective enough even in his final year of this current contract at the age of 35.

Kobe will be putting up around 20 points even at the age of 35, and as a respect to his long laker career I don't really think the organization will regret paying him 33 million for his final contract year.

You guys will be surprised at what this dedicated player will be able to do with his mileage..

[oh the horror]

Well, one thing is for certain, Kobe needs to take this summer off, and consider how he is going to treat his injuries, or consider various surgeries to repair himself.


At this point, LA/Kobe has gone to the playoffs multiple times in his career, plus he has played during the summer as well.



Dude's body is just full of nagging injuries at this point, and must be addressed. I'll be curious to see what he does this summer.

[beermonsteroo]

:oldlol:
Uh million of course :)

[All Net]

I dont know, I just think one has to question minutes played, and miliage in terms of players that came out of HS, rather than age.



Now, im not advocating that they "trade Kobe" because lets face it, that is just a silly idea....but I do see how people would be concerned with how his production along the next few years is going to pan out.

I fail to see why, Kobe has shown NOTHING to suggest he will fall off anytime soon.

[beermonsteroo]

Still, OP made one single good point...Ive questioned Kobe's extra fat, super large contract this time around. Dude is going to be making HUGE money during years where his level of play is going to be severely deteriorated. He will NOT be the same player in 4 years.

Exactly, that's my point!
You have to act before your business is going down! That's what seperates the mediocere from the Top Level managers.
If the Lakers would trade Kobe now there chances of being a title candidat the next 5-7 years would be excellent. Keeping Kobe they might have another chance nexts eason, but the long term future isn't looking bright.
The Lakers should have given Kobe a three year contract at max.

[BlueandGold]

Wow.

I thought coming into the thread the OP's first post couldn't be matched in retardedness. But damn, ISH makes miracles happen.



Yet again... dumb as dog shit. You make baby jesus weep due to your stupidity.


Have you contributed anything to this forum?

lol so mad, why aren't you on your other 200 accounts? Wanted to add to you 14000 post total haha biggest loser/retard on insidehoops.

[beermonsteroo]

There won't be nothing wrong with kobe's production.
He is probably the hardest working player in the league, he will make sure he will be effective enough even in his final year of this current contract at the age of 35.

Kobe will be putting up around 20 points even at the age of 35, and as a respect to his long laker career I don't really think the organization will regret paying him 33 million for his final contract year.

You guys will be surprised at what this dedicated player will be able to do with his mileage..
Paying 33 million for a 20ppg Kobe is a ver very very bad Deal!

[plowking]

lol so mad, why aren't you on your other 200 accounts? Wanted to add to you 14000 post total haha biggest loser/retard on insidehoops.

I bet you've got more posts than I do with all your accounts put together.

[All Net]

Paying 33 million for a 20ppg Kobe is a ver very very bad Deal!

Not when Lakers are in a position to win championship after championship.

[beermonsteroo]

Not when Lakers are in a position to win championship after championship.


You can get players with 20ppg on 40% much cheaper then 33 million. You won't be in a position to play for the title if a 20ppg Kobe is blocking your salary cap options.

[knickscity]

Paying 33 million for a 20ppg Kobe is a ver very very bad Deal!

The 20ppg is an assumption at best.

Even in the next 5 years, if Kobe takes and extensive decline down to 20ppg, that last year will be the Laker saying......

Thanks for all the great years Kobe, now retire as a Laker should.

The aren't trading Kobe and the way the team is constructed........

Pau, Kobe, Artest are lined up for the next four.

That is their core, and the Lakers have always been able to add, and they will.

This thread should be burned by now.

[BlueandGold]

I bet you've got more posts than I do with all your accounts put together.

haha 15,000. I don't think anybody in this thread has as many posts as the account that your on right now. haha you know it's sad when even the most retarded/loser of posters is paranoid of us regular users of having as many accounts as this idiot. I've ever heard him mention his other accounts in other threads.

lol @ this mad kid who never talks about the NBA in the NBA forum as well. I guess all the losers with over 15,000 posts get tired of arguing about the NBA at some point.

[DwightHowardMVP]

I would pay Kobe 40 million for 20 ppg. Stats dont define the kid

[All Net]

You can get players with 20ppg on 40% much cheaper then 33 million. You won't be in a position to play for the title if a 20ppg Kobe is blocking your salary cap options.
If you based a player's impact purely on stats then maybe..

Fact is Lakers are in a position to contend for at least the next 5 years. So even thinking about trading him is just idiotic and makes zero sense. The idea is to win championships not lose.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The whole "no trade clause" thing makes this whole discussion worthless.

[Lyoto15]

Paying 33 million for a 20ppg Kobe is a ver very very bad Deal!

I don't think they care. He will be in what? his 18th laker season? Right now he's been good for 5 rings, they will pay him gladly.

[knickscity]

If you based a player's impact purely on stats then maybe..

Fact is Lakers are in a position to contend for at least the next 5 years. So even thinking about trading him is just idiotic and makes zero sense. The idea is to win championships not lose.

exactly

[knickscity]

The whole "no trade clause" thing makes this whole discussion worthless.

Pretty much, but even if he didn't have it, they wouldn't do it.

The Lakers trade for "greats", they don't just trade them away.

[Lyoto15]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with kobe's shooting % ?

So he had a bad shooting series fg% wise.. have you watched the series tho? I mean, have you seen some of the shots he HAD to take, have you seen the type of defence he had during the whole series?

Open up your eyes, 40% shooting doesn't tell you jack shit about kobe's game and importance.

[Yung D-Will]

So you win 2 championships in a row so instead of going for a third you trade away your best player?

The Lack of logic is beyond me

[beermonsteroo]

The whole "no trade clause" thing makes this whole discussion worthless.

Ok i didn't know that. But if such a clause exists, the Lakers management is just plain stupid.

[beermonsteroo]

If you based a player's impact purely on stats then maybe..

Fact is Lakers are in a position to contend for at least the next 5 years. So even thinking about trading him is just idiotic and makes zero sense. The idea is to win championships not lose.

I don't see how they an be a contender in three years time.

[beermonsteroo]

So you win 2 championships in a row so instead of going for a third you trade away your best player?

The Lack of logic is beyond me

Of course. By trading him a have achnace to be a contender the next 5 years easily. Keeping him I will be a contender the next two years at max.

[knickscity]

I just don't get it.

2000
2001
2002
2004
2008
2009
2010

That's seven finals in 10 years, now whether or not they won isnt the point. Kobe was a contributor in all those years.
Now is Fisher was getting 20mil+, that would be just dumb.

But how does anyone actually make a trade Kobe argument.

he still on pace to play at least three more dominant years.

[All Net]

I don't see how they an be a contender in three years time.

That comment said it all.

Lakers players in 3 years time will be still young enough. Younger than what the Celtics were this year. Bynum in 3 years could be a real force. 20 and 10 every night with any luck. Artest, Odom, Gasol would only be 32-33...the Lakers will continue to add great talent to an already great roster. They are only going to keep winning. They are just going to keep adding guys who can produce. Looking into the future is pointless as anything can happen but this Lakers core has enough years left to continue to contend for a good amount of time yet.

[bballer]

You sir are a dumb****

[All Net]

Of course. By trading him a have achnace to be a contender the next 5 years easily. Keeping him I will be a contender the next two years at max.

:oldlol: What a freaking stupid statement. So Lakers are going not to be a contender when Kobe is 33, Gasol 31, Odom, 32. Artest 31, Bynum 24? :roll:

seriously just leave now, you are making yourself look worse and worse.

[knickscity]

Of course. By trading him a have achnace to be a contender the next 5 years easily. Keeping him I will be a contender the next two years at max.

You don't get it. All you are looking at is numbers.

Kobe's impact in the game vastly supercedes "numbers"

Kobe could go damn near scoreless in a game and the Laker would probably still win that game.

Do you know how much defense it would take to that?

Boston Guarded Kobe as hard as I have ever seen a player be guarded for a series in my life, and they still lost in seven. I don't think Kobe had more than 5 open shots in normal fg range. That 25+footers nobody is guarding those.

Bottom line trading Kobe is crazy. You aren't getting a championship team from trading him, no matter who you got.

But you have a chance for the next 3-4 with him, right now.

It's just that simple.

[Jacks3]

Kobe declining? Didn't he just put 29.2/6.0/5.5 on excellent efficiency these past playoffs?:oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ok i didn't know that. But if such a clause exists, the Lakers management is just plain stupid.
Think for a minute. If one of the NBA's perennial 2-3 best and most popular (as in, marketable) players demands a no-trade clause and you lose him for nothing otherwise, do you tell him no? I'm not a Bryant fan at all but if you can't tell that he's one of the NBA's biggest assets you're an idiot.

[knickscity]

Think for a minute. If one of the NBA's perennial 2-3 best and most popular (as in, marketable) players demands a no-trade clause and you lose him for nothing otherwise, do you tell him no? I'm not a Bryant fan at all but if you can't tell that he's one of the NBA's biggest assets you're an idiot.
Please, do like I do every now and then on my Knicks board....

Delete this mess.

[momo]

Ok i didn't know that. But if such a clause exists, the Lakers management is just plain stupid.

If? Who is stupid?

[beermonsteroo]

:oldlol: What a freaking stupid statement. So Lakers are going not to be a contender when Kobe is 33, Gasol 31, Odom, 32. Artest 31, Bynum 24? :roll:

seriously just leave now, you are making yourself look worse and worse.

Yeah, but Gasol Odom Artest plus some new younger a level players is better then Gasol Odom Artest and Kobe at age 33,5. Time will tell who was richt, let's see

[beermonsteroo]

Think for a minute. If one of the NBA's perennial 2-3 best and most popular (as in, marketable) players demands a no-trade clause and you lose him for nothing otherwise, do you tell him no? I'm not a Bryant fan at all but if you can't tell that he's one of the NBA's biggest assets you're an idiot.

He is right now, but if he will be in two years is very doubtfull. Therfore I say sell your stocks whe they are high! This is multi million dollar businees not an european welfare state very kobe draws his pension for achievements of the past.

[Steve212]

I'd trade KG before I deal Kobe. At least Kobe can back it up. At this point, KG is just a name nowadays.

[Mirjalovic]

You don't get it. All you are looking at is numbers.

Kobe's impact in the game vastly supercedes "numbers"

Kobe could go damn near scoreless in a game and the Laker would probably still win that game.

Do you know how much defense it would take to that?

Boston Guarded Kobe as hard as I have ever seen a player be guarded for a series in my life, and they still lost in seven. I don't think Kobe had more than 5 open shots in normal fg range. That 25+footers nobody is guarding those.

Bottom line trading Kobe is crazy. You aren't getting a championship team from trading him, no matter who you got.

But you have a chance for the next 3-4 with him, right now.

It's just that simple.

i agree with this. Every defenders who guarding Kobe put 1000% effort.

[branslowski]

If Lakers trade Kobe...What young players do you have in mind that we would get in return Op?...Just curious.

[INDI]

Sooooooooooo trade Kobe and run the risk of ending your championship run to look toward the future? Teams strive year after year to be in this position (champions) and you think it's a better idea to trade 1 of the 2 players in the league that could go virtually onto any team and make them a contender?


Seriously?????

[beermonsteroo]

If Lakers trade Kobe...What young players do you have in mind that we would get in return Op?...Just curious.


Trade Kobe for Kevin Durant for example.
Or trade Kobe for Westbrook plus this years first round pick and sign James or Wade.
Starting Line Up containing Westbrook Artest James Gasol Bynum would be deadly

[SGK_81]

you watch too much football (soccer) :-) Basketball players do not decline at 31

[beermonsteroo]

you watch too much football (soccer) :-) Basketball players do not decline at 31

Tell me a shooting guard appart of Jordan that did not????????????
And even Jordan did. Just on a very hihg leve.

[SGK_81]

Tell me a shooting guard appart of Jordan that did not????????????
And even Jordan did. Just on a very hihg leve.

Physically - yes. But Kobe does not drive the half he used to and he is still a Top 3 player. I bet at 36 he will be what Paul Pierce is now

[Bano114]

If you want to get rid of Kobe so bad....

I heard Eddy Curry was available...:ohwell:

[ImmortalD24]

What makes you think OKC would trade Durant for Kobe? Durant is a hell of a lot younger, Kobe is set to make a load of money in the next few years, and I'm not sure he'd be motivated to start over again.

Plus he has a no trade clause, so I doubt he'd want the trade, and he's been a Laker his entire career and most want him to end his career as a Laker.

[indiefan24]

Trade Kobe for Kevin Durant for example.
Or trade Kobe for Westbrook plus this years first round pick and sign James or Wade.
Starting Line Up containing Westbrook Artest James Gasol Bynum would be deadly

you are an idiot.

stop.

[ImmortalD24]

you are an idiot.

stop.
That too.

[beermonsteroo]

What makes you think OKC would trade Durant for Kobe? Durant is a hell of a lot younger, Kobe is set to make a load of money in the next few years, and I'm not sure he'd be motivated to start over again.

Plus he has a no trade clause, so I doubt he'd want the trade, and he's been a Laker his entire career and most want him to end his career as a Laker.

So you agree that having Durant on your Roster is better then Kobe?
Durant was just an example though, i know this would not happen. Still by trading Kobe you good get some decent players in return and you could sign Wade or James. I would not hesitate a second to do so.
Rebuilding around Westbrook and James together with the core of Bynum, Gasol and Artest would g

[0000000]

lol @ mad eurotrash who can't even watch NBA live in his poor country.


Bavaria poor. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I think only California of all USA states can compete with Bavaria economically and I'm not even sure that California can.

[beermonsteroo]

Bavaria poor. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I think only California of all USA states can compete with Bavaria economically and I'm not even sure that California can.

In a recent study of the Harald Tribune Munich was named as the world's most liveable city by the way

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/travel/18iht-rmon1munich.6190600.html

After much tire-kicking, data-sifting and deliberation, Munich emerged as Monocle's most liveable city in the world. A winning combination of investment in infrastructure, high-quality housing, low crime, liberal politics, strong media and general feeling of Gem

[1~Gibson~1]

Lakers.....trade.....Kobe deja vu :lol

[knickscity]

[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]So you agree that having Durant on your Roster is better then Kobe?
Durant was just an example though, i know this would not happen. Still by trading Kobe you good get some decent players in return and you could sign Wade or James. I would not hesitate a second to do so.
Rebuilding around Westbrook and James together with the core of Bynum, Gasol and Artest would g

[beermonsteroo]

If I was building a team for down the road.....yeah Durant.

But Kobe is winning now, and nobody not named Isiah Thomas would trade him right after a back to back 'chip. Kobe is still in his prime. He may be aging physically but he still is playing at a top player in the League status right now. No one but a fool trades that.

But if you could decide between
Fisher Bryant Artest Bynum and Gasol or Westbrook Wade/James Artest Bynum and Gasol. Would you not take the second option?

[AJ2k8]

If you want to get rid of Kobe so bad....

I heard Eddy Curry was available...:ohwell:

You know just messing around on trade machine before i tried that to see if kobe could get to the knicks, unfortunately at this stage they don't have enough contracts to trade for him... However in a few weeks we may have a deal on our hands:D

[jbot]

why trade the best player in the league when everything is going their way? have you ever heard the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

[beermonsteroo]

why trade the best player in the league when everything is going their way? have you ever heard the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

Have you ever heared of the word farsighted ?

[Bosnian Sajo]

The differnce is that Jordan was only signing one year contracts from 95-98. So there was no risk for the Bulls. The lakers are commited to pay Kobe like 120 Dollars for the next 6 seasons. That's a finacial risk, as well as it limits their chances to sign other top players. Kobe has a lot more minutes in his legs then Jordan had at age 31. Plus Jordan was an world wide icon which Kobe isn't.


You sure about that?

[Bosnian Sajo]

So you win 2 championships in a row so instead of going for a third you trade away your best player?

The Lack of logic is beyond me


If these guys were nba gm's...:oldlol:

[beermonsteroo]

You sure about that?

Yeah unlike you i don't live in the USA so i know that in Europe Kobe is completly unkown to 85% of the population. 2.5% are paying attention to what he does at max. Maybe 0.1% are considering themselves something like Kobe followers.

[Bladers]

Trade Kobe for Kevin Durant for example.
Or trade Kobe for Westbrook plus this years first round pick and sign James or Wade.
Starting Line Up containing Westbrook Artest James Gasol Bynum would be deadly

Lebron HOMER ALERT!

[Showtime]

The admin should ban the OP now...

[LA_Showtime]

Most Laker fans would trade Kobe if it meant LeBron, Wade, or Durant; however, that's not going to happen. Besides, Kobe has a no-trade clause. I doubt he would accept a trade and he'd probably throw another tantrum if he knew the Lakers were looking to move him.

[beermonsteroo]

[QUOTE=Bladers]Lebron HOMER ALERT![/QUOTCould have said Wade as well.

[Apocalyptic0n3]

I would assume this has already been pointed out, but I really do not want to read 6 pages to find out: Kobe is the only player in the NBA with a no-trade clause. The Lakers cannot trade him, even if they wanted to. The only way they can trade him is if he wants to be traded.

[lakers1978]

Really, at this point of time, the Lakers should really considring trading Kobe.
Kobe is clearly on the decline and nobody knows for sure how long he can keep playing on a very high level. It wouldn't come as a suprise if Kobe is more or less done in one or two years. That's not hating, it happens to every player and considering the minutes Kobe has already played, it will happen to Kobe sooner or later too.
So if things are going bad for the Lakers they will have to pay a max contract for the next 6 years without really benifiting of him on the court.
So why not use the Kobe hype as long as it exists and trade him now. They certainly could get some very decent players and draftpicks in return.
You know, it's just like on Wall Street. You have to sell your shares when they are worth the most. Not when they are going down.
Over the course of the next 7 years the Lakers will be better off if they trade Kobe now. At least there is a very high change for this.


Before the you make a dumb thread OP. Do alittle research on Kobe's contract. Don't know where u get this 6-7 yr thing, but Kobe just signed a new contract w/ the Lakers a couple of months ago for 3yrs somewhere between $85-$90 million.

[Bodhi]

Ok i didn't know that. But if such a clause exists, the Lakers management is just plain stupid.

How is that stupid? They offered it to him to increase the chance of him resigning. He did and since then they have two rings.

And the idea of trading Kobe to help business is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. Part of the reason why the Lakers are so popular is because they have a player as marketable as Kobe. They'd lose money by getting rid of Kobe and his contract.

[SourGrapes]

Have you ever heared of the word farsighted ?

yeah. it means you can't see what's right in front of you

[LA KB24]

:oldlol: :oldlol: Where ISH happens!!
:roll:

[MAC system]

I agree. Trade him to my Bulls for Deng and Gibson. Deal? :lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

Hope the op was not serious about this

[knickscity]

I would assume this has already been pointed out, but I really do not want to read 6 pages to find out: Kobe is the only player in the NBA with a no-trade clause. The Lakers cannot trade him, even if they wanted to. The only way they can trade him is if he wants to be traded.

Actually quite a few had it. Even Nate Robinson had trade veto power, and was because of his one year deal.

[Bano114]

You know just messing around on trade machine before i tried that to see if kobe could get to the knicks, unfortunately at this stage they don't have enough contracts to trade for him... However in a few weeks we may have a deal on our hands:D

I knew getting rid of Jared Jeffries was a bad idea!
:hammerhead:

[rezznor]

nah

MJ > 3 rings at 31
Kobe > 5 rings at 31

Kobe has more of a finassee game than Michael as well. Kobe gonna stay a Laker his entire career. lol u mad
kobe has alot more miles on his body at 31 then jordan did

[Clifton]

In a dream world, if the Lakers could trade Kobe for, say, Chris Paul and everyone would be okay, do I think the Lakers would be better off for it? Yes I do. Would I ever recommend ever actually trying that? Absolutely not. They are defending champions two times over. New Orleans is not trading a top 4 player for a top 3 player who is going to hate the move and resent all of NO's crappy players and non-coach and crappy basketball market. And if he so much as hears a peep that he's being shopped, you've got a mountain of problems on your hands for no reason.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

...maybe because he has a no trade clause in his contract?:confusedshrug:
only if the op knew his sh!t.

[beermonsteroo]

You should react and work on your roster before things are getting bad.
Giving Kobe a max contract was one of the worst decicions in Lakers franchise history. Many years of hardly making the playoffs are looming ahead. Remember my words!

[Apocalyptic0n3]

Actually quite a few had it. Even Nate Robinson had trade veto power, and was because of his one year deal.

I should have clarified that the current CBA gives trade veto powers to 1 year contracts, but Kobe is the only player in the league to actually have a no-trade clause in his contract. No other player has that power in their contract outside of the 1 year players (which was done simply to avoid players being signed for a year and then traded immediately)

[SuddenImpact09]

Okay so suppose they do trade Kobe...and he DOESNT decline while the Lakers get ousted in the playoffs.

James chokes it up
Durant cant perform at a championship level
Wade would have the best chance of getting it done

But my point is is Kobe doesn't decline the following year, the Lakers front office would look like a jackass and so would you.

If it aint broke then dont fix it

[akts]

...maybe because he has a no trade clause in his contract?:confusedshrug:

I was gonna say he can veto any trade they toss out there. I believe only him and Duncan have that option If I am correct.

[Se]

You could probably trade Kobe for a combo of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. That'd be good.

I'd try and swap him with Morrison for Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor and Marcus Thornton. Nice deal ;)

[Allstar24]

You should react and work on your roster before things are getting bad.
Giving Kobe a max contract was one of the worst decicions in Lakers franchise history. Many years of hardly making the playoffs are looming ahead. Remember my words!
Who the **** are you? Which losing franchise do you root for? The Lakers will always be relevant unlike your favorite team. I feel sorry for you :oldlol:

[PowerGlove]

Who the **** are you? Which losing franchise do you root for? The Lakers will always be relevant unlike your favorite team. I feel sorry for you :oldlol:

Translation::cry: :cry:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yeah unlike you i don't live in the USA so i know that in Europe Kobe is completly unkown to 85% of the population. 2.5% are paying attention to what he does at max. Maybe 0.1% are considering themselves something like Kobe followers.


Well like you I am from Europe and I go there many times a year, and most people know who the hell Kobe is. Not like I go around ask everyone do you know who Kobe is but in convo's I do ask them if they follow NBA and most of the time they know who Kobe is.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

lol at the OP....the lakers need to fill the expensive seats in the arena which are 3 times expensive than average nba team....nobody can fill up those seats like Kobe...not even Wade

[Allstar24]

Translation::cry: :cry:
Translation for what? My favorite team just won back to back rings so I know you're not talking about me. The OP is the one who sounds butthurt because Kobe is a 5-time champ.
So sad :oldlol:

[PowerGlove]

Translation for what? My favorite team just won back to back rings so I know you're not talking about me. The OP is the one who sounds butthurt because Kobe is a 5-time champ.
So sad :oldlol:
Can I get a definition for butthurt? I think its lost all of its meaning. How is he/she butthurt? They are dumb, but I didnt see anything that sounded like they had a problem with kobe winning 5 or back to back titles. Move on dude.:oldlol: Not everything has an ulterior motive.

[Funnyfuka]

half the people who watched the finals or even care a bit about the nba in the whole world wanted to see KOBE, just like people only wanted to watch jordan in his time. This is the value of kobe bryant. To many worldwide aside from north america, he IS the nba. Stern knows it.He s not just a laker or the best layer in the league, he s marketable and good looking. Charismatic.most people in europe barely know who lebron or wade are. Very few know that aside of bryant there s also lebron who s very big...but only in nort america, esentially cause he hasnt been present in many of the last broadcasted finals which are the only things europeans watch once a year.
Kobe bryant is the official spokesman of the nba.

Retarded thread.

[Allstar24]

Can I get a definition for butthurt? I think its lost all of its meaning. How is he/she butthurt? They are dumb, but I didnt see anything that sounded like they had a problem with kobe winning 5 or back to back titles. Move on dude.:oldlol: Not everything has an ulterior motive.
Riiight...that's why the dumbass made a thread about why the Lakers should trade Kobe a week after he just won his 5th ring. Please.

[PowerGlove]

Riiight...that's why the dumbass made a thread about why the Lakers should trade Kobe a week after he just won his 5th ring. Please.

I'm pretty sure this thread has been made before...

[Laker4Lyfe]

Thanks for the advice. I'm sure Kupcheck and Buss are considering it at this very moment. :roll::roll:


ISH get's dumber every single year. :banghead::banghead:

[cotdt]

MJ > 3 rings at 31
Kobe > 5 rings at 31

Kobe has more of a finassee game than Michael as well. Kobe gonna stay a Laker his entire career. lol u mad

This. Kobe could win 5 more rings in the next 7-8 years before he retires. That's 10 rings and GOAT status.

[Lakerlove420]

lol @ mad eurotrash who can't even watch NBA live in his poor country.

I'm faded right now just chillin burning a cd and decided to check in on forum.
(never look at ish at home or anything, only at work bored)

beermonsteroo
makin me laugh :roll: :roll:

is this serious!
ish where miracles happen

[JM720]

:roll: :roll:

[iamgine]

Yeah just trade their money making machine, that make sense.

[RDavis31]

Sign and Trade with Cleveland for LeBron. Kobe would actually win a chip with the team Lebron couldn't.

[sbw19]

Unless it's LeBron I wouldn't trade Kobe for any current FA, and that's assuming PJax will be coaching the Lakers next season. Kobe can afford to decline (hopefully gracefully) because the Lakers have Gasol and Bynum. They just need a solid addition at the PG and a good outside scorer to provide scoring off the bench.

[mamba24]

Unless it's LeBron I wouldn't trade Kobe for any current FA, and that's assuming PJax will be coaching the Lakers next season. Kobe can afford to decline (hopefully gracefully) because the Lakers have Gasol and Bynum. They just need a solid addition at the PG and a good outside scorer to provide scoring off the bench.


I would not trade kobe for lebron.

Talent will never trump desire, will and mental strenght.

Lebron has just one and thats the will but pretty much becomes a 3 point specialist (crap at it too) when his mental strenght and desire die.

[sbw19]

I would not trade kobe for lebron.

Talent will never trump desire, will and mental strenght.

Lebron has just one and thats the will but pretty much becomes a 3 point specialist (crap at it too) when his mental strenght and desire die.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Kobe never played poorly when his team was supposed to win (obviously did many times with varying outcomes) like Bron did vs Celtics, but I'd say LeBron's attitude would be the only concern to me if he were on the Lakers.

[Yung D-Will]

Really, at this point of time, the Lakers should really considring trading Kobe.
Kobe is clearly on the decline and nobody knows for sure how long he can keep playing on a very high level. It wouldn't come as a suprise if Kobe is more or less done in one or two years. That's not hating, it happens to every player and considering the minutes Kobe has already played, it will happen to Kobe sooner or later too.
So if things are going bad for the Lakers they will have to pay a max contract for the next 6 years without really benifiting of him on the court.
So why not use the Kobe hype as long as it exists and trade him now. They certainly could get some very decent players and draftpicks in return.
You know, it's just like on Wall Street. You have to sell your shares when they are worth the most. Not when they are going down.
Over the course of the next 7 years the Lakers will be better off if they trade Kobe now. At least there is a very high change for this.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/sad_post_replies.gif


Seriously 8 pages replying to someone saying the Lakers should trade their franchise player after they won back to back rings.

[MaxFly]

Bryant strikes me as the type of player who would get traded and somehow end up with Bosh or Dirk on his team and ultimately prevent the Lakers from winning another championship for the duration of his career.

People have created these "Trade Kobe" topics before... and it's always amusing when they somehow get to 8 pages...

[Doctor Rivers]

Really, at this point of time, the Lakers should really considring trading Kobe.
Kobe is clearly on the decline and nobody knows for sure how long he can keep playing on a very high level. It wouldn't come as a suprise if Kobe is more or less done in one or two years. That's not hating, it happens to every player and considering the minutes Kobe has already played, it will happen to Kobe sooner or later too.
So if things are going bad for the Lakers they will have to pay a max contract for the next 6 years without really benifiting of him on the court.
So why not use the Kobe hype as long as it exists and trade him now. They certainly could get some very decent players and draftpicks in return.
You know, it's just like on Wall Street. You have to sell your shares when they are worth the most. Not when they are going down.
Over the course of the next 7 years the Lakers will be better off if they trade Kobe now. At least there is a very high change for this.

prophet??

[poido123]

Trading Kobe would actually improve the team. No joke. Team would be more balanced and more eager on defense, chemistry would be better and the team would play for each other.

Now I don't think Kobe is a bad player or that he doesn't have worth, no. He would work in a team where there are only 2 main offensive options him and another and the rest role players, plus a centre who anchors the defense, where he can just focus on scoring and that's it. Right now there's a system and players that don't mesh with Kobe, clearly evidenced in the team's struggles.

[JerryWest]

Kobe will retire a laker, get over it fakkits! :mad:

[Doctor Rivers]

get over it fakkits! :mad:

nice

[Pinkhearts]

Kobe for Wade

[poido123]

Kobe for Wade

Even though I think Kobe is the better player, Wade has more willingness to mesh within a system and the Laker team would be better because of it. I don't see Wade jacking up shots and killing team chemistry like what is happening right now.

[chazzy]

Even though I think Kobe is the better player, Wade has more willingness to mesh within a system and the Laker team would be better because of it. I don't see Wade jacking up shots and killing team chemistry like what is happening right now.
Yeah he's such an offensive detriment that he's only leading them to the 6th best offense in the league, with Nash out most of the year and Pau/Dwight not playing themselves.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Its not like the Lakers do not want to trade an old washedup Kobe, he has no-trade-clause which makes it impossible to move him.