One executive thinks LeBron + Bosh to Bulls will happen

[niko]

Please post all congratulations, crow eating, and such here. Can we have a sticky please?

:cheers:

[JerrySteakhouse]

Fail, hes going to Miami fo real.

[ZeN]

Fail, hes going to LA fo maybe.

Fixed.

[niko]

Please refrain from posting anti bull propaganda in this thread.

[1~Gibson~1]

eButt-Hurt
...

[JerrySteakhouse]

Fixed.

haha, Bosh going to LA 'LAKERS' is literally 0%. you can quote me on that

[niko]

...

Your city is being contracted. Please begin packing.

:no: my butt is perfectly ok btw. please dont mention it, its somewhat gay.

[1~Gibson~1]

Your city is being contracted. Please begin packing.

:no: my butt is perfectly ok btw. please dont mention it, its somewhat gay.
no its not

[OnceInADECADE]

thank GOD

beasley breakout season book it

[clipps]

I like cheese

[ThemBombs]

fail attempt at a jinx

[Pharcyde]

fail attempt at a jinx

Nah, he's just being bitchy.

[bagelred]

Please post all congratulations, crow eating, and such here. Can we have a sticky please?

:cheers:

Congrats Chicago. Hey, it's Lebron's kind of town. Sometimes 2nd best (maybe 3rd) is good enough. :cheers:

Anything less than Lebron and Bosh going to Chicago and 10 Championships in a row will be deemed a complete failure. Ouch, high expectations indeed.

It's good to be a Knicks fan baby. Low expectations. Love it. If we will 25 games next year, that would be awesome.



............whistling and walking away..........

[porebo]

Jinxed! Even if this happen, Lebron will not win a chip! :confusedshrug:







Just kidding anything is possible =D

[Bano114]

Please post all congratulations, crow eating, and such here. Can we have a sticky please?

:cheers:

Is this what you mean?:confusedshrug:

http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/rollingacres/1250/Animations/1-bird/crow-eating-240x160.gif

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol: at Knicks fans getting hysterical because their team shamefully tanked 2 seasons specifically for Lebron and now it appears Lebron does not want to play for them, largely because their team is trash as result of their strategy of mailing it in for 2 seasons. It will be hilarious if they wind up with Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson after all the "effort" at tanking and all the hype including selling Lebron Knicks jerseys based on delusions that every player fantasizes playing in New York for a franchise with a grand total of 2 rings.

[GOBB]

Lebron is coming to Philly. Its where Black Jesus was born.

[Bano114]

:oldlol: at Knicks fans getting hysterical because their team shamefully tanked 2 seasons specifically for Lebron and now it appears Lebron does not want to play for them, largely because their team is trash as result of their strategy of mailing it in for 2 seasons. It will be hilarious if they wind up with Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson after all the "effort" at tanking and all the hype including selling Lebron Knicks jerseys based on delusions that every player fantasizes playing in New York for a franchise with a grand total of 2 rings.

:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol:

Look at you tryin hard to make people mad on a forum. :applause:

[bagelred]

:oldlol: at Knicks fans getting hysterical because their team shamefully tanked 2 seasons specifically for Lebron

Yup, that's why we broke up our championship squad. If we only hung on to Randolph, Crawford, Marbury, Jerome James, Richardson, Jeffries just a LITTLE longer, dreams would have come true.......

Damn, the Knicks are dumb......:hammerhead: ........pointing and laughing.............

[Bano114]

Yup, that's why we broke up our championship squad. If we only hung on to Randolph, Crawford, Marbury, Jerome James, Richardson, Jeffries just a LITTLE longer, dreams would have come true.......

Damn, the Knicks are dumb......:hammerhead: ........pointing and laughing.............

Dont worry. We still have Eddy Curry.:bowdown:

[bagelred]

Dont worry. We still have Eddy Curry.:bowdown:

Wow, that's right.....good thing you reminded me......taking noose off neck.....I feel better now.

I forgot about Mardy Collins and Renaldo Balkman too.

[Bano114]

Wow, that's right.....good thing you reminded me......taking noose off neck.....I feel better now.

I bet you dont feel like getting paid 11 million dollars not to do anything.

[OneMoreSucka]

lol chicago u mad? yea u mad

[Go Getter]

Why would Chicago fans get mad at Knicks fans?

Our organization>>>>>Your organization.

If we don't land Lebron no big deal but if YOU don't get him it will be a calamity.

[OneMoreSucka]

lol u take me srsly? yea u take me srsly

[ThemBombs]

OMS is the Knicks resident moron...

[Roundball_Rock]

Why would Chicago fans get mad at Knicks fans?

Our organization>>>>>Your organization.

If we don't land Lebron no big deal but if YOU don't get him it will be a calamity.

:rockon:

Even with a "bad case scenario" of getting Boozer and Joe Johnson the Bulls will still be a contender since the Bulls built a solid, young core...

PF Boozer
SF Deng
C Noah
SG Johnson
PG Rose

All-star caliber players at all five positions with a potential superstar at one--and this is one of the worst possible scenarios. One or two of Lebron/Wade/Amare/Bosh would be gravy.

[CHi1PriDe]

The op is trying to jinx us, freakin hater! Bread n butta, bread n butta!! :no:

[Go Getter]

lol u take me srsly? yea u take me srsly

I don't care if you were serious or not I was addressing a sentiment I've gathered from Knicks fans.

[niko]

no its not

yes it is. you are being relegated, like in soccer. you are now in Mexico. Either pack and move, or brush up on your spanish.

[niko]

Lebron is coming to Philly. Its where Black Jesus was born.

i said no other team trolling. TASERED!

[konex]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5333896

An NBA executive says the Chicago Bulls have emerged as a favorite in the free agency sweepstakes for LeBron James, along with Chris Bosh, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

The executive said he had gleaned from his discussions with other league executives that James is leaning toward joining the Bulls, along with Bosh, his teammate on the United States' gold medal-winning 2008 Olympic team. The Times reported the executive did not want to be named because he was discussing a player who was not yet a free agent.

"I think it's a done deal," the executive said, according to the report.


NOTE FROM MOD:

1) The executive THINKS it will happen. Don't make a topic saying "it is a done deal." as if it's a fact. It's some anon exec's opinion. He thinks it will happen.

2) Don't just post a link as a topic. Quote the paragraph or two worth reading right in the topic.

[The Magic Man]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5333896

:eek:

Them 2 with Rose and company or them 2 with Wade and scrubs = 3 peat.

[ashbelly]

Lebron you really gonna leave the CAVs ?? :mad: I don't believe it until after July 1st. This is not true Chris Broussard has an agenda, he's from chicago.

[BlueandGold]

LeBron leaning toward Bulls

where in the article does it say it's a done deal?


Teams including the New York Knicks, New Jersey Nets, Miami Heat and Los Angeles Clippers are in the hunt for James, along with the Cleveland Cavaliers,

OP = Fail

[niko]

I'll believe it when someone explains to me who is taking the pay cut or how the Bulls are facilitating it, because all along everyone said no one is taking a pay cut, and Bosh wants full max S&T money. Explain that to me and i'll believe it. (I'm not saying i don't, just this isn't much beyond UNNAMED SOURCE SAYS X that we have had for weeks.)

[niko]

where in the article does it say it's a done deal?
if you read it they are intimating its done.

[ThemBombs]

let's hope so... there's just no way the FO can f*ck this one up

it's happened with T-Mac, KG, Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant, but it WILL NOT happen with LeBron and Bosh!

[Kujo]

Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced this is going to happen. I just hope the Raps can work out a sign and trade with Chicago. I would gladly take Luol Deng, and draft picks back.

[BlueandGold]

if you read it they are intimating its done.

OH REALLY?

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/kobe-to-chicago-done-deal/


Kobe Bryant, is headed off to the Chicago Bulls. No rumor. Done deal. So that’s one problem we can finally scratch off our list of things to fret about, and a whole new reason to root against the Bulls.

x2 Fail


An NBA executive said that he thinks it's a done deal.

[Micku]

where in the article does it say it's a done deal?



OP = Fail

An NBA executive said that he thinks it's a done deal. We'll see later. LeBron and Bosh are probably talking to other teams too. And Bosh wants a team of his own. We'll see what happens.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

this thread is false advertising.
nothing in there suggests its a done deal.

[ThemBombs]

An NBA executive said that he thinks it's a done deal. We'll see later. LeBron and Bosh are probably talking to other teams too. And Bosh wants a team of his own. We'll see what happens.
that worked out so well in Toronto... :oldlol:

I'm sure Bosh would rather win multiple championships then lead a first-round exit team for years to come...

[broy]

Hedo won't be playing for Toronto next year. Toronto needs a SF now. Chicago gets Bosh in a S&T and send Deng away. Then Lebron signs. They're still uner the cap.

[ThemBombs]

Hedo won't be playing for Toronto next year. Toronto needs a SF now. Chicago gets Bosh in a S&T and send Deng away. Then Lebron signs. They're still uner the cap.
no, sorry. they are two million under the cap with Deng and Bosh+LeBron, and without Deng i'd imagine 5-6 million above the cap, enough to sign a SG that we need.

[Magic Vinsanity]

LeBron, Bosh and Rose sounds good on paper, but lets see what happens when ego's start clashing and people's feelings start getting hurt when they dont get the ball. I wouldnt be surprised if it imploded.

[Doranku]

LeBron, Bosh and Rose sounds good on paper, but lets see what happens when ego's start clashing and people's feelings start getting hurt when they dont get the ball. I wouldnt be surprised if it imploded.

I don't think it even sounds good on paper. I just can't see Bron and Rose complementing each other. At all.

[bagelred]

An NBA executive says the Chicago Bulls have emerged as a favorite in the free agency sweepstakes for LeBron James, along with Chris Bosh, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

"I think it's a done deal," the executive said, according to the report.



The anonymous executive?



John Paxson, Chicago Bulls General Manager

[ThemBombs]

The anonymous executive?



John Paxson, Chicago Bulls General Manager
f*ck outta here.
and make sure the door doesn't hit your ass on the way out.

[BlazersDozen]

I don't think Rose & LeBron would work well together. They are basically the same type of players offensively and Bosh is just another big who would be in Chicago who can't bang in the post on the offensive end.

I've said since Zach Randolph was on the trade block in Portland that the Bulls should jump on it.

Now imagine Randolph's offense next to the defense and intensity of Noah...

[PowerGlove]

I don't think it even sounds good on paper. I just can't see Bron and Rose complementing each other. At all.
:oldlol: Seriously?

[Qwyjibo]

Now imagine Randolph's offense next to the defense and intensity of Noah...
Why when they can instead have a more efficient, more aggressive and overall better offensive player like Bosh?

[InspiredLebowski]

I wish ESPN would quit saying Noah's a big draw to any of these guys going to Chicago. He's a nice player and everything, but to insinuate Lebron's sitting on his golden toilet saying, "Man, I can't decide...Chicago has Joakim Noah so I'm a Bull!" It's just crazy.

[konex]

Anyone who thinks this won't work is on drugs. Just get a spot-up shooter at the 2. Bosh can shoot mid-range and Noah doesn't need the ball at all. It would be O-V-E-R in the EC..

[amfirst]

Rose and Bron will do alright, just don't think they will do great because LeBron needs to surround himself with shooters.

[wang4three]

I don't think it even sounds good on paper. I just can't see Bron and Rose complementing each other. At all.

One of them will have to learn how to play off ball, because they're both pretty mediocre/terrible at it right now.

[Qwyjibo]

The Bulls will really need a dead-eye shooter at the 2 if this happens. Rose and Lebron aren't exactly going to scare anyone with their perimeter jumpers. But that really shouldn't be hard to acquire for them once everything else is in place.

[Doranku]

:oldlol: Seriously?

Yup. Like BlazersDozen said, they're pretty much the same player offensively.

Plus, look at the rest of the team. Who are they going to start at the 2? James Johnson? :oldlol: Deng, ANOTHER slasher?

Then we have the incredibly soft, undersized frontcourt of Noah and Bosh. Forgive me for not believing that such a Bulls team is the next dynasty to win 6 rings like some people here seem to think.

[burnsy87]

LeBron, Bosh and Rose sounds good on paper, but lets see what happens when ego's start clashing and people's feelings start getting hurt when they dont get the ball. I wouldnt be surprised if it imploded.


Rose is one of the most unselfish point guards in the league, regardless of the amount of points he scores.


LeBron likes to distribute, how else would he get triple doubles!


Bosh I could see bitching and moaning.

[wang4three]

I wish ESPN would quit saying Noah's a big draw to any of these guys going to Chicago. He's a nice player and everything, but to insinuate Lebron's sitting on his golden toilet saying, "Man, I can't decide...Chicago has Joakim Noah so I'm a Bull!" It's just crazy.

Why not, Noah knows what it's like to win back-to-back..

[Qwyjibo]

Then we have the incredibly soft, undersized frontcourt of Noah and Bosh.
Huh? Seriously?

[InspiredLebowski]

Why not, Noah knows what it's like to win back-to-back..And to dance like a retard. Him and LBJ'd be best of buds.

[wang4three]

And to dance like a retard. Him and LBJ'd be best of buds.

They can have a secret handshake.

[The Magic Man]

Anyone who thinks this won't work is on drugs. Just get a spot-up shooter at the 2. Bosh can shoot mid-range and Noah doesn't need the ball at all. It would be O-V-E-R in the EC..

Agreed. Look at what an aging KG and Ray did for Boston, with all the scrubs they had. This shit goes down, you'll be looking at one of the all time great lineups when its said and done. I'm a Laker fans but i aint blind.

[niko]

They'd do better with a big banger to round out the rotation, and some outside shooters, otherwise everyone is going to pack the middle. it's not a perfect fit but its easier to get the other pieces than the big pieces.

i love it that everyone thinks this is done btw. totally makes the next week stress free.

[BlueandGold]

Rose and Bron will do alright, just don't think they will do great because LeBron needs to surround himself with shooters.

That's what they did with Lebron in all those years in cleveland. Gibson, Parker, Snow, Delonte, Mo, etc etc

[Doranku]

:oldlol: I forgot about the ill feelings between Noah and Bron. I wonder how Noah feels about Bron coming to town.

[niko]

:oldlol: I forgot about the ill feelings between Noah and Bron. I wonder how Noah feels about Bron coming to town.

there was no ill feeling. Lebron didn't even acknowledge that. Go back, he only acknowledged people on Chicago saying he can't shoot, not the Cleveland bashing.

[PowerGlove]

Yup. Like BlazersDozen said, they're pretty much the same player offensively.

Plus, look at the rest of the team. Who are they going to start at the 2? James Johnson? :oldlol: Deng, ANOTHER slasher?

Then we have the incredibly soft, undersized frontcourt of Noah and Bosh. Forgive me for not believing that such a Bulls team is the next dynasty to win 6 rings like some people here seem to think.

One, BlazersDozen is wrong. How are Rose and Lebron the same?

Why are you acting like people dont respect Bron's Jumpshot? Seriously? All of this is just stupid. Derek Rose has been getting to the cup without a jumpshot all these years and now that Lebron is supposedly going to join the team it wont work?:roll:

Also when did Bosh and Noah become soft? I dont recall of this talk when you were discussing the rumor of Bosh joining the Lakers.

[Younggrease]

One, BlazersDozen is wrong. How are Rose and Lebron the same?

Why are you acting like people dont respect Bron's Jumpshot? Seriously? All of this is just stupid. Derek Rose has been getting to the cup without a jumpshot all these years and now that Lebron is supposedly going to join the team it wont work?:roll:

Also when did Bosh and Noah become soft? I dont recall of this talk when you were discussing the rumor of Bosh joining the Lakers.

they are different types of shots...catch and shoot vs. pull up jumpers off the pick and roll or dribble moves..

IMO Rose, Bron and Bosh still isnt messing with a healthy Lakers team.

Oh and Bosh has been soft ever since Jason Collins shut him down for an entire playoff series 1 v. 1...Softest performance I have seen in a long time

[PowerGlove]

they are different types of shots...catch and shoot vs. pull up jumpers off the pick and roll or dribble moves..

IMO Rose, Bron and Bosh still isnt messing with a healthy Lakers team.

Jokes,right?

[niko]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5334060

SHoot me.

[InspiredLebowski]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5334060

SHoot me.
Could be worse. Coulda still had your 9th pick and had Gordon Hayward.

[Qwyjibo]

Oh and Bosh has been soft ever since Jason Collins shut him down for an entire playoff series 1 v. 1...
Strange because that never actually happened. But then again I know you didn't even watch the series so that's ok.

[Younggrease]

Jokes,right?

Pau is still better than Bosh and the Lakers still have a great size advantage. Kobe's finger should be better after surgery as well...I dont think Rose will look a good when the ball isnt in his hands 24/7, he imo is just about the same as Rondo with less defensive ability.

[Younggrease]

Strange because that never actually happened. But then again I know you didn't even watch the series so that's ok.

I actually watched every game of that series...If you wanna pull up the game threads you will find my posts documenting it.

[ThemBombs]

Pau is still better than Bosh and the Lakers still have a great size advantage. Kobe's finger should be better after surgery as well...I dont think Rose will look a good when the ball isnt in his hands 24/7, he imo is just about the same as Rondo with less defensive ability.
SMH...

if Pau never joined the Lakers, he would be a nobody, you realize that, right?

[Qwyjibo]

Then you would have seen that it was Collins and Moore splitting time guarding Bosh with Jefferson or Kidd coming for an immediate double-team nearly every time Bosh got the ball because the rest of the Raptors were no threat.

[Younggrease]

SMH...

if Pau never joined the Lakers, he would be a nobody, you realize that, right?

Probably, but that doesnt change the fact that right now he is better than Bosh.


Then you would have seen that it was Collins and Moore splitting time guarding Bosh with Jefferson or Kidd coming for an immediate double-team nearly every time Bosh got the ball because the rest of the Raptors were no threat

what I saw was him trying to score 1 v. 1 on Collins and falling backwards on the ground looking for fouls....The nets only came to help when Moore guarded him and that is the typical help that any good big man gets...

Collins was left to guard him 1 v. 1...

If this trade goes down, Collins value skyrockets?

[PowerGlove]

Pau is still better than Bosh and the Lakers still have a great size advantage. Kobe's finger should be better after surgery as well...I dont think Rose will look a good when the ball isnt in his hands 24/7, he imo is just about the same as Rondo with less defensive ability.

Lakers have the size advantage over damn near every team.

I honestly dont care about Kobe's finger, he'll still be taking shots over triple teams trying to prove god knows what instead of doing the right thing.

Rose will be fine without the ball as will lebron, that argument is pretty stupid imo. The reason why I think it is dumb is because they have THREE all-stars and two good players on the floor. No one is going to be worried about Rose's off ball game when Bosh or Lebron has it.

[Doranku]

One, BlazersDozen is wrong. How are Rose and Lebron the same?

Why are you acting like people dont respect Bron's Jumpshot? Seriously? All of this is just stupid. Derek Rose has been getting to the cup without a jumpshot all these years and now that Lebron is supposedly going to join the team it wont work?:roll:

Also when did Bosh and Noah become soft? I dont recall of this talk when you were discussing the rumor of Bosh joining the Lakers.

When hasn't RuPaul been soft? :oldlol: I was an advocate for keeping Bynum instead of pursuing Bosh, so don't know what you're talking about with that last bit.

You're right, though. It's completely ludicrous to be skeptical of a collaboration between two players with mediocre jumpers who have never been in a position where they were required to play off the ball. :rolleyes:

[PowerGlove]

When hasn't RuPaul been soft? :oldlol: I was an advocate for keeping Bynum instead of pursuing Bosh, so don't know what you're talking about with that last bit.

You're right, though. It's completely ludicrous to be skeptical of a collaboration between two players with mediocre jumpers who have never been in a position where they were required to play off the ball. :rolleyes:

Please, since that this is such a big issue with the team, please let me know what parts of the off ball game Lebron and Rose are bad at? Please?

[imdaman99]

i dont think lebron will do that. if he teams up with someone like rose, who is only effective with the ball in his hands, lebrons stats will go down. he will no longer be putting up GOAT stats, which is another thing he is chasing (along with a ring i guess). unless rose is turning into a great spot up shooter, than i dont know how well that'll mix. but unless both those guys set their egos aside (well i dont know how much of an ego rose has) and team up for the betterment of their franchise, it could possibly be a fail and underachieving.

[BlueandGold]

i dont think lebron will do that. if he teams up with someone like rose, who is only effective with the ball in his hands, lebrons stats will go down. he will no longer be putting up GOAT stats, which is another thing he is chasing (along with a ring i guess). unless rose is turning into a great spot up shooter, than i dont know how well that'll mix. but unless both those guys set their egos aside (well i dont know how much of an ego rose has) and team up for the betterment of their franchise, it could possibly be a fail and underachieving.

I mean he was drafted #1 after coming off a national championship game.

[niko]

Could be worse. Coulda still had your 9th pick and had Gordon Hayward.

i never feel like the assets Isiah gave up were ours. As a knick fan, if yo ulook back at the Isiah time and gripe about it, you might as well change teams, cause it's just ridiculous all that happened.

[niko]

Please, since that this is such a big issue with the team, please let me know what parts of the off ball game Lebron and Rose are bad at? Please?

The'd need to improve spot up shooting and moving without the ball, at least one of them. Both of them excel at initiating the offense through themselves, and with it, their offense. They both can't do that if they play together. Someone is going to have to be a more off the ball player.

I'm not saying they can't, but i don't think from day 1 it would automatically be there.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I honestly dont care about Kobe's finger, he'll still be taking shots over triple teams trying to prove god knows what instead of doing the right thing.


taking, and often making, those crazy shots are WHY they are forced to double and triple, thereby opening the floor for others, thereby winning Championships.

whatever he is doing, it is the right thing... Championships = proof.

[InspiredLebowski]

i never feel like the assets Isiah gave up were ours. As a knick fan, if yo ulook back at the Isiah time and gripe about it, you might as well change teams, cause it's just ridiculous all that happened.
That was just such an odd time. Marbury boning secretaries in the parking lot or whatever it was, Zeke calling people b.itches and being all racist. It was like a bad movie, a movie almost as bad as "Eddie."

[imdaman99]

I mean he was drafted #1 after coming off a national championship game.
he seems very coachable though. and i've never heard any of his teammates complain about him and his ego or anything else. even though he probably couldn't get a 600 on the SATs.

[niko]

That was just such an odd time. Marbury boning secretaries in the parking lot or whatever it was, Zeke calling people b.itches and being all racist. It was like a bad movie, a movie almost as bad as "Eddie."

Dolan WOULD be a great owner under almost any circumstance. I know people are making a face but he spends whatever you need, doesn't make decisions at the expense of the Knicks even if they would make him money (the garden makeover is being pushed around the Knick season, whereas teams like SA push their team out of their arena for a rodeo) and doesn't intervene or make rush decisions (so he actually has a fairly stable organization. The knicks need a plane - DONE. Need somewhere else to practice, DONE. Need a new whatever - DONE.

The problem is he has NO sense for talent at all. We have Walsh at the recommendation (like WILL YOU HIRE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AN ASSHOLE YOU DUMB ****!) of David Stern, otherwise god knows who would be here. He gave Isiah whatever he needed and trusted him implicity. I mean, WTF...

[tpols]

Bosh and Noah just won't cut it against teams' other elite frontcourts, namely the Lakers and Orlando, two teams who would torch you guys in the paint and two teams you'll end up playing on the way to the ring.

[PowerGlove]

taking, and often making, those crazy shots are WHY they are forced to double and triple, thereby opening the floor for others, thereby winning Championships.

whatever he is doing, it is the right thing... Championships = proof.
:oldlol:

[Doranku]

:oldlol:

You're such a hater bro. :oldlol:

btw, did you get in to OSU?

[PowerGlove]

You're such a hater bro. :oldlol:

btw, did you get in to OSU?

I got accepted, but I decided to go to Georgia Tech.

How am I hating though? Dude just said that Kobe often makes his crazy shots. Really?

[2010splash]

Bosh and Noah just won't cut it against teams' other elite frontcourts, namely the Lakers and Orlando, two teams who would torch you guys in the paint and two teams you'll end up playing on the way to the ring.
And Derek Fisher and Ron Artest won't cut it against Derrick Rose and LeBron James. :roll:

Bosh/Noah would dominate nearly every PF-C pairing in the league. Zero PG-SF combos are better than Rose/LeBron.

Just get over it. LeBron and any of the other FA's to Chicago = guaranteed Finals appearance at worst.

The question is where does LeBron ultimately end up. Wherever he goes, that team = biggest offseason winners in sports history.

[imdaman99]

I got accepted, but I decided to go to Georgia Tech.

How am I hating though? Dude just said that Kobe often makes his crazy shots. Really?
lol no one 'often' makes their crazy shots. but the rest of the league's % on crazy shots is like 5% while kobe's crazy shots FG% is prob more like 20%. not exactly a great percentage but better than others :lol

and i'm obviously making up numbers

[PowerGlove]

lol no one 'often' makes their crazy shots. but the rest of the league's % on crazy shots is like 5% while kobe's crazy shots FG% is prob more like 20%. not exactly a great percentage but better than others :lol

and i'm obviously making up numbers

That's understandable but the guy just said often without any kind of explanation. That is what superstars do, they make shots that just blow your mind. Which is exactly why I have broken like 35 controls over the past ten years on every system from Dreamcast to the 360.:oldlol:

[wang4three]

I got accepted, but I decided to go to Georgia Tech.


ouch.

[PowerGlove]

ouch.
Ouch what?

[wang4three]

Ouch what?

I'm just joking with you. I clown on my GA Tech friends all the time. Most of them regretted their decision by the time they graduated, but that could just be coincidence and a product of their distinct experiences. You may experience different. It's a sound school.

[PowerGlove]

I'm just joking with you. I clown on my GA Tech friends all the time. Most of them regretted their decision by the time they graduated, but that could just be coincidence and a product of their distinct experiences. You may experience different. It's a sound school.
Oh, okay. I felt that it would be better for me to move on with my life and stay in Atlanta than to revist the past in Ohio.

[indiefan24]

Sooo are the Bulls winning the 2011 championship a done deal as well?

[ThemBombs]

Sooo are the Bulls winning the 2011 championship a done deal as well?
YES

[Younggrease]

And Derek Fisher and Ron Artest won't cut it against Derrick Rose and LeBron James. :roll:

Bosh/Noah would dominate nearly every PF-C pairing in the league. Zero PG-SF combos are better than Rose/LeBron.

Just get over it. LeBron and any of the other FA's to Chicago = guaranteed Finals appearance at worst.

The question is where does LeBron ultimately end up. Wherever he goes, that team = biggest offseason winners in sports history.


Derek Fisher/Kobe/Artest just cut it against Rondo/Allen/Pierce...is need be Kobe will guard Rose just like he did Westbrook and Rondo who are of the same elk....

And Artest guards Lebron better than almost anyone in the lg...Id rather have my mismatch guarding a Rose than on the boards and on the block...but thats just me

[wang4three]

Oh, okay. I felt that it would be better for me to move on with my life and stay in Atlanta than to revist the past in Ohio.

I see; I'm sure you'll have a great time. I was just being a dick. I live with a guy who went to GTech, I nicknamed him Starbury.. gets him pissed off everytime.

[niko]

I see; I'm sure you'll have a great time. I was just being a dick. I live with a guy who went to GTech, I nicknamed him Starbury.. gets him pissed off everytime.

Co-Eds down south. How could that possibly be bad?

[CanadaBBallFan]

I don't think it even sounds good on paper. I just can't see Bron and Rose complementing each other. At all.

No way...BHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

These Lakers fans/LeBron haters are sooo scared of this deal going through that it is getting pathetic!

[Younggrease]

No way...BHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

These Lakers fans/LeBron haters are sooo scared of this deal going through that it is getting pathetic!

I actually want the deal to go through...I wanna Bron go into a playoff without a set excuse for once.

[CanadaBBallFan]

I actually want the deal to go through...I wanna Bron go into a playoff without a set excuse for once.

He didn't have any this year...

[Indian guy]

if need be Kobe will guard Rose just like he did Westbrook and Rondo who are of the same elk....

Westbrook and Rondo are 2 jumper-less PGs that Kobe could simply back off of and funnel 'em into his big men. Rose, statistically, was the best mid-range shooting PG in the NBA last season. He's also an athletic freak. There's simply no way a 32 year old Kobe can guard him.


And Artest guards Lebron better than almost anyone in the lg...

LeBron completely had his way against Artest last season when LA tried to guard him 1-on-1. I don't think Artest is capable of checking quick players anymore. LA needs to rely on their league-best D to contain LeBron(ala 08-09).

[Younggrease]

Westbrook and Rondo are 2 jumper-less PGs that Kobe could simply back off of and funnel 'em into his big men. Rose, statistically, was the best mid-range shooting PG in the NBA last season. He's also an athletic freak. There's simply no way a 32 year old Kobe can guard him.



LeBron completely had his way against Artest last season when LA tried to guard him 1-on-1. LA would be foolish to check LeBron 1-on-1 again.

I remember the same thing being said about Westbrook and Rondo this year...Kobe is smart and know how to play angles...plus Rose is a spot shooter, move him off those spots and his % drop a ton...I think Kobe does just as well on Rose as he did the others, plus there will still be Bynum and Gasol at the rim(Rose arguably isnt as good a finisher as Rondo and Westbrook)


LeBron completely had his way against Artest last season when LA tried to guard him 1-on-1. LA would be foolish to check LeBron 1-on-1 again.

That was in the regular season(artest picks it up in the playoffs) off of the pick and roll set the Cavs run...On the Bulls with Rose he wont see that much space and those driving lanes ever again.

[Indian guy]

I remember the same thing being said about Westbrook and Rondo this year

Doesn't matter what people were saying about them. Rose is a different player.


Kobe is smart and know how to play angles

Angles won't help him a whole lot when he's guarding a shooter like Rose.


...plus Rose is a spot shooter, move him off those spots and his % drop a ton

Woah, completely off. More than 80% of the jumpers Rose takes are off-the-dribble. How does a PG get spot-up mid-range jumpers anyway? Rose has the ball in his hands all the time. He's never spotting up or coming off screens. Although with LeBron on board(IF the deal goes down) he'll have to do that at times. From what I've read he's been working on his 3's this off season.

[Younggrease]

Doesn't matter what people were saying about them. Rose is a different player.



Angles won't help him a whole lot when Rose's drilling jumpers in his face.



Woah, completely off. More than 80% of the jumpers Rose takes are off-the-dribble. How does a PG get spot-up mid-range jumpers anyway? Rose has the ball in his hands all the time. He's never spotting up or coming off screens. Although he'll be doing some of that with LeBron on board. Rose has been working on his 3's this offseason from what I've read.

well you said the same things about westbrook and rondo, correct?

Exactly Rose uses his dribble to get to spots on the floor. Both elbow extended usually..Once you push him off his spots the percentages drop a ton...Most NBA players have spots but he seems to be more reliant on them based on the limited footage I have seen of him...

Kobe is good at overplaying players to put them in spots that they aren't used to shooting from.

[1~Gibson~1]

yes it is. you are being relegated, like in soccer. you are now in Mexico. Either pack and move, or brush up on your spanish.
1. you dont know what city im in
2. you're still eButtHurt :lol

[Indian guy]

well you said the same things about westbrook and rondo, correct?

Don't think I ever even talked about Kobe's D on Westbrook, but I always knew LA would shutdown Rondo. If Orlando could do it with Howard alone, LA was going to eat him alive.


Exactly Rose uses his dribble to get to spots on the floor. Both elbow extended usually..Once you push him off his spots the percentages drop a ton

Yeah, I'm sure the league's most athletic PG is going to struggle getting HIS type of shots off against a 32 year old :rolleyes:. What history does Kobe have of limiting well rounded point guards?


Kobe is good at overplaying players to put them in spots that they aren't used to shooting from.

Who are these players? I certainly doubt if any of them could shoot.

[GOBB]

i said no other team trolling. TASERED!

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http://media.timesleader.com/ap/Cardinals_Phillies_Baseball_747001160.jpg

:lol

[Younggrease]

Don't think I ever even talked about Kobe's D on Westbrook, but I always knew LA would shutdown Rondo. If Orlando could do it with Howard alone, LA was going to eat him alive.

...

Yeah, I'm sure the league's most athletic PG is going to struggle getting HIS type of shots off against a 32 year old :rolleyes:. What history does Kobe have of limiting well rounded point guards?



Who are these players? I certainly doubt if any of them could shoot.

so does this only apply to point guards or to well rounded players from other positions...because how many well rounded point guards are in the league? is Rose a well rounded pg?

Westbrook and Rondo are just about as athletic as Rose...LMAO at people acting like Rose is some great shooter.

[Indian guy]

so does this only apply to point guards or to well rounded players from other positions...

To all players, but it doesn't really matter. I mean, nobody outside of PGs will have Rose's quickness anyway. Even if Kobe's had some success good shooting SGs before, I doubt they had Rose's blow-by speed.


LMAO at people acting like Rose is some great shooter.

Best in the league at his position last year. Those are the FACTS.

[Younggrease]

To all players, but it doesn't really matter. I mean, nobody outside of PGs will have Rose's quickness anyway. Even if Kobe's had some success good shooting SGs before, I doubt they had Rose's blow-by speed.



Best in the league at his position last year. Those are the FACTS.

so you measure who is the best shooter based on stats...interesting

so based on your facts where does Rose rank in regards to all positions are far as shooters...top 5 shooter in the league?

You just called Rose a better shooter than Steve Nash...I'll have to remember this post

[Qwyjibo]

so you measure who is the best shooter based on stats...interesting
Why wouldn't he?

If someone asks you "who was the best shooting PG from mid-range this past year?" do you give an opinion based on a few games you've seen of every PG (because I doubt you've watched every single game of every PG) or do you look at the actual results comparing each one of them? Me? I'll side with the facts (stats, in this regard) rather than opinion.

[Younggrease]

Why wouldn't he?

If someone asks you "who was the best shooting PG from mid-range this past year?" do you give an answer based on a few games you've seen of every PG or do you look at the actual results comparing each one of them? Me? I'll side with the facts (stats, in this regard) rather than opinion.


it just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the facts in question(mid range % and what is measures)...You arent measuring the two equal quantities(i.e. the shots and the difficulty are not put into context)...People are giving Rose wide open free throw jumpers, while teams are game planning to take away guys like Nash's and Ray Allen's jumpers...

A great shooters touch opens up the game for others because the attention they garner...You determine a great shooter by the circumstances in question bit based on some fg% stat that puts nothing into context.

Well I guess Rose is a better shooter than Kobe and Ray Allen too huh?

Before people starts using stats like they are facts, how about taking a few classes in stats first...b/c the way stats are used on here is oft incorrect


EDIT: IS THAT STAT EVEN RIGHT...82 games.com says NASH IS A MUCH BETTER SHOOTER

Rose on jumpshots 46.7 % efg
Nash on jumpshots 55 % efg
Brooks 51%
Step Curry 52%
Nelson 49 %
Deron williams 47.3 %
Jason Kidd 55%
Bibby 51%

plus more

Now dude is just making stuff up

[Qwyjibo]

Well I guess Rose is a better shooter than Kobe and Ray Allen too huh?
Is anyone here even claiming something close to that?

This was Rose, mid-range jumpers, compared to other point guards.



NASH IS A MUCH BETTER SHOOTER
Of course he is a better overall shooter. Nash hits 3's at a good rate, Rose doesn't. No one is disputing this.

[Younggrease]

Is anyone here even claiming something close to that?

This was Rose, mid-range jumpers, compared to other point guards.



Of course he is a better overall shooter. Nash hits 3's at a good rate, Rose doesn't. No one is disputing this.

so your saying Rose is a better mid range shooter than Steve Nash? Because that crazy talk..

show me the stats that say that, I wanna read the methodology

[Qwyjibo]

so your saying Rose is a better mid range shooter than Steve Nash? Because that crazy talk..
It's not my argument here. I'm just backing up him using stats as a basis for his argument. I never understand why people bash stats.

I've seen the claims of Rose having the best mid-range #'s this past year of any PG a couple times now. I haven't seen the #'s myself but why would someone just blatantly lie about this? So if true, then yes Rose was the best mid-range shooting PG in the league last year.

Bashing someone for "using stats" is one of the dumbest things I see on here. Unless it's someone dumb and they are misusing them, stats are the best way to compare players because I doubt there is anyone here who watches every game of every player to accurately compare players.

[Younggrease]

It's not my argument here. I'm just backing up him using stats as a basis for his argument. I never understand why people bash stats.

I've seen the claims of Rose having the best mid-range #'s this past year of any PG a couple times now. I haven't seen the #'s myself but why would someone just blatantly lie about this? So if true, then yes Rose was the best mid-range shooting PG in the league last year.

Bashing someone for "using stats" is one of the dumbest things I see on here. Unless it's someone dumb and they are misusing them, stats are the best way to compare players because I doubt there is anyone here who watches every game of every player to accurately compare players.

really...then show me the methodology and source. There is no way based on stats to determine who the best shooter in the league is...because everyone is put into different situations...

[Qwyjibo]

really...then show me the methodology and source. There is no way based on stats to determine who the best shooter in the league is...because everyone is put into different situations...
Ask Indian Guy that. I don't actually care about it and don't know where the claims are coming from. I assume it's from an informed source. But if the #'s show Rose's mid-range stats the best, then he was the best last year among PGs. Stats are good, embrace them!

[Younggrease]

Ask Indian Guy that. I don't actually care about it and don't know where the claims are coming from. I assume it's from an informed source. But if the #'s show Rose's mid-range stats the best, then he was the best last year among PGs. Stats are good, embrace them!

As someone a background stats, I have already found the source and the error...Thats why I dont blindly endorse things because some no name site says so..

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2010&gp=40&mins=25.


here is a game, see if you can tell me whats wrong with this picture?

edit: based on those stats ... Derrick Rose is a below average finiher at the rim for the pg position?

Damn guess the stats are right, Rose cant finish at the rim.

[Qwyjibo]

Damn guess the stats are right, Rose cant finish at the rim.
But also a very good mid-range shooter among PGs last year from those numbers.

[Younggrease]

But also a very good mid-range shooter among PGs last year from those numbers.

so you agree that Rose cant finish well at the rim but is an elite mid range shooter?

Good to know

[Qwyjibo]

so you agree that Rose cant finish well at the rim but is an elite mid range shooter?

Clearly that was the case last year. Among point guards at least.

[Qwyjibo]

lol...good to know, its obvious guys here dont do much work regarding statiscal analysis
Well unless you think there would be a huge variance when considering quality of defense faced or whatever else you are basing your opinion on, why not? In the long-run and over a huge sample, those factors are likely not going to make much of a difference when comparing most of the top point guards. Maybe set shots vs off the dribble/created but we all know the offense isn't setup to feed Rose mid-range jumpers and he has the ball in his hands practically all the time on that team.

[Younggrease]

Well unless you think there would be a huge variance when considering quality of defense faced or whatever else you are basing your opinion on, why not? In the long-run and over a huge sample, those factors are likely not going to make much of a difference when comparing most of the top point guards. Maybe set shots vs off the dribble/created but we all know the offense isn't setup to feed Rose mid-range jumpers and he has the ball in his hands practically all the time on that team.

the fact that Rose is geting wide open shots because of his athletism vs. the fact that Mike Bibby is getting face guarded by reputation has no effect on percentages?

I mean if the numbers say Rose is better than he better right? There is a difference between being able to get good shots and being a better a better skilled shooter. Each NBA player faces different defense based on his skill set...

Being a shooter is about the skill, you think if Nash was given the same shots as Rose he wouldnt make more of them...It seems your ranking the ability to get a open shot off as part of being a shooter while Im strictly considering the ability to make the shot.

[Clifton]

I actually want the deal to go through...I wanna Bron go into a playoff without a set excuse for once.
"no post-up player" :oldlol:

[Qwyjibo]

There is a difference between being able to get good shots and being a better a better skilled shooter. Each NBA player faces different defense based on his skill set...
But in the end it still all comes down to who makes the shots and who doesn't. If you have a quality like Rose's athleticism to help you in that regard then to me it's still part of him being an overall great mid-range shooter.

The one thing, like I mentioned before, that can be a big factor is whether or not the player is relying on his teammates (shots being assisted) or himself (creating those shot opportunities).

[2010splash]

Yeah, you're pretty much delusional if you don't think Rose is at worst an above average midrange shooter. It's the typical "he's a freak athlete so he must not be able to shoot" argument.

[Indian guy]

From RealGM


Statistics taken from Hoopdata. Taken from Players ranked as PGs, playing in >40 games this year.

Yep. He really is the best midranger shooter at PG in the league.

From 10 feet and in (basically, floater range): Derrick Rose shoots the most attempts of any PG, makes the most, and has the best FG%. Outside of Mike Bibby, but that guy's taken 20 of those shots the entire year. He's the best at his position at this. 1st in this area.

From 10-15 feet: Tied with Chris Paul for most makes per game in this area, with Chris Paul shooting a slightly superior 51.5% to Rose's 49.7%. Steve Nash shoots a 55% from this area. So Rose is probably 3rd best in this area.

From 16-23 feet: Derrick Rose leads all PGs in attempts and makes per game (by far), tied for 5th in FG% at 44.0%. Takes 7 a game, makes 3, the only person with similar volume is Paul with 5 attempts at 45.0% FG%. Nash outpaces all other PGs shooting this shot at 46% accuracy. #5 in this area- all the players he's tied with are not nearly as high volume as he is.

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx? ... 40&mins=25

He's not just become a "solid" midrange shooter. Or a "good" midrange shooter. He's inarguably top 3 at the position, and arguably the best considering shot volume. He's an ELITE midrange shooter, at only his 2nd year in the league.

[Clifton]

LeBron, Bosh and Rose sounds good on paper, but lets see what happens when ego's start clashing and people's feelings start getting hurt when they dont get the ball. I wouldnt be surprised if it imploded.
:oldlol: Chicago's recently-hired head coach is the guy who was presented with a team featuring three top-20 players, all of whom were known as losers before they got there, all crammed together in a couple weeks during the offseason, with no bench and no success whatsoever in over a decade.

That team was the Boston Celtics. They won a title that year.

Now compare the teams, taking those Celtics players at their best. Bosh + Noah is about equal to KG. Lebron is way better than Pierce. Rose is better than Allen. Gordon and Rondo are polar opposite types of players but certainly 2008 Rondo is hardly ">>>" Gordon or anything like that.

[Younggrease]

But in the end it still all comes down to who makes the shots and who doesn't. If you have a quality like Rose's athleticism to help you in that regard then to me it's still part of him being an overall great mid-range shooter.

The one thing, like I mentioned before, that can be a big factor is whether or not the player is relying on his teammates (shots being assisted) or himself (creating those shot opportunities).

Well we disagree on the the definition of the term shooter.

I will be sure to bump this thread next year if Bron comes to town...

[Indian guy]

the fact that Rose is geting wide open shots because of his athleticism

Good Lord. Where are you getting the notion that teams are giving Rose wide open jumpers? Is the NBA just stupid? Are oppositions simply not scouting the Bulls and thus leaving their players unaware of Rose's ELITE shooting prowess at his position? Your argument makes no sense. Rose, by all metrics out there(as posted above), is an ELITE mid-range shooter at his position. He takes a lot of jumpers and he makes a lot. Volume is not an issue here. Thus, the thought of teams simply giving him the jumper because he's primarily an athletic slasher first doesn't make sense. Take it from someone who watches every Bulls game, nobody's simply backing off Rose and giving him the jumper. He's too good of a shooter for that. Why the hell would teams intentionally hurt themselves by doing that? Especially considering Rose's not a great finisher, yet.


I mean if the numbers say Rose is better than he better right?

Sure, why not? If the numbers point towards him being the best mid-range jump shooter in the league, why isn't he better? Again, volume is not an issue here. Rose takes and makes a ton of jump shots.


Each NBA player faces different defense based on his skill set...

No kidding. Thus your comment on Kobe taking care of Rose ala Rondo/Westbrook couldn't have been more incorrect. Kobe is not having any success against Rose playing him the way he played Rondo and Westbrook.

[Lebron23]

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:lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Grey Dawn]

Notably ESPN took this off their main news feed.

[2010splash]

It

[niko]

:oldlol: Chicago's recently-hired head coach is the guy who was presented with a team featuring three top-20 players, all of whom were known as losers before they got there, all crammed together in a couple weeks during the offseason, with no bench and no success whatsoever in over a decade.

That team was the Boston Celtics. They won a title that year.

Now compare the teams, taking those Celtics players at their best. Bosh + Noah is about equal to KG. Lebron is way better than Pierce. Rose is better than Allen. Gordon and Rondo are polar opposite types of players but certainly 2008 Rondo is hardly ">>>" Gordon or anything like that.

He was not the coach of the team. You are giving him credit for coaching the team?

[niko]

1. you dont know what city im in
2. you're still eButtHurt :lol
you have no sense of humor at all.

[Lebron23]

Make it happen.

Thibbediu Plus a young core of Bosh, LeBron, Noah, and Rose are the only NBA team that's capable of beating the Jacksonless Lakers in a best of 7 series.

[niko]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/133/lbj-free-agency-5-questions-on-bullsknicks-premise

it says a lot of the things i've said and been called delusional - at least i can prove im not making things up...although he might be making it up too!

[game3524]

Bosh and Noah just won't cut it against teams' other elite frontcourts, namely the Lakers and Orlando, two teams who would torch you guys in the paint and two teams you'll end up playing on the way to the ring.

It is funny though, all this teams are stacking up to beat LA. But they are all doing it wrong, get some tough, physical guys in the post and you will have a chance. Bosh and Noah aren't going to put fear in LA's frontcourt what so ever.