Kevin Mchale vs Dirk Nowitzki All time

[Yung D-Will]

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Who's the better player?

[Go Getter]

I'm taking McHale 10 out of 10 times.

Best post player I've ever seen....Hakeem maybe, but McHale had like 50 moves and counter moves for those moves.

[ginobli2311]

well. i have dirk around number 25 all time and mchale around 50 all time. so i'd say easily dirk in my opinion.

[ImmortalD24]

http://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mchale.jpg

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Who's the better player?
Dirk. No brainer.

[creepingdeath]

Dirk, although Kevin beats him in post-up play and defense.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Difficult to tell - McHale played with 2 other great players for most if not all of his career, and Dirk never really has. I'll take McHale though.

[Yung D-Will]

3 votes for Dirk
2 votes for Mchale

[ginobli2311]

i love mchale....but he is simply not on dirk's level.

the first thing people are going to talk about is mchale's defense. this is hugely over-rated. i grew up watching the celtics play and while mchale was a decent defender......he was not a good defender and was marginally better than dirk if it all.

dirk is also a far superior rebounder in the playoffs.

mchale could not take over games in the 4th qtr and has not even close to the crunch time player dirk is. i hate to critique one of my favorites in mchale....but i have a feeling people on this board are going to seriously over-rate certain aspects of his game.

[Go Getter]

Dirk's a better player overall but takes too many difficult shots and the rest of my team will just stand around and twiddle their thumbs while Dirk sets up free throw line extended and dribbles the ball into the ground to get off a one footed fadeaway.

Getting the ball into the post with McHale would make the offense flow easier, could create open shots due to double teams, or easy scores.

Plus I have no questions about Kevin's toughness/aggressiveness.

This is why I choose Kevin.

[creepingdeath]

Dirk's a better player overall but takes too many difficult shots and the rest of my team will just stand around and twiddle their thumbs while Dirk sets up free throw line extended and dribbles the ball into the ground to get off a one footed fadeaway.

Getting the ball into the post with McHale would make the offense flow easier, could create open shots due to double teams, or easy scores.

Plus I have no questions about Kevin's toughness/aggressiveness.

This is why I choose Kevin.
Erm... the question was not who you'd rather have on your team but who the better player is, so..? :confusedshrug:

[alexandreben]

Dirk, although Kevin beats him in post-up play and defense.
Besides footwork and post up play, Kevin is tougher than Dirk.. btw, i love your avarta, which's the man's toughness that 100 times more than Dirk or Keven:roll:

[Yung D-Will]

Besides footwork and post up play, Kevin is tougher than Dirk.. btw, i love your avarta, which's the man's toughness that 100 times more than Dirk or Keven:roll:

Lol trying to take a tally

[Go Getter]

Erm... the question was not who you'd rather have on your team but who the better player is, so..? :confusedshrug:
The question isn't that easy for me....Dirk might be a better individual player but McHale was a better team player.

[Manute for Ever!]

http://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mchale.jpg


Possibly the best footwork I've ever seen, no ego, never minded if he was a starter or coming off the bench, just go the job done.

McHale any day.

[Yung D-Will]

3 votes for Mchale
3 votes for Dirk

[Bigsmoke]

at the end of the say, I'm rolling with....... Dirk

[Lebron23]

Dirk Nowitzki

[DaniloGallinari]

Tough. Both unguardable at their own respective strengths.

I take McHale.

[fos]

I'll take my favorite player, Dirk. :cheers:

[Harison]

Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs highly efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.

McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.

Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, how about playoffs?

McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.

Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.

For primary option I might pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.

McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.

Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale, as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.

[Yung D-Will]

5 votes for Mchale
7 votes for Dirk

[Yung D-Will]

More votes=D

[bballer]

Dirk

[alexandreben]

Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs highly efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.

McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.

Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, how about playoffs?

McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.

Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.

For primary option I might pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.

McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.

Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale, as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.
:applause: Well said

Plus intangible, I go with McHale too.

[TrueDiesel3]

McHale, I want my bigs banging in the low-post and playing defense, something Dirk doesn't do very often. McHale is quite possibly the greatest defensive Power Forward ever.....Dirk? Not even close....not even close to being close.

[Calabis]

http://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mchale.jpg

http://smashmauf.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dirknowitzki.jpg

Who's the better player?

Well its hard, these guys are two totally different players...one guy was a banger post player, the other is a finesse big SF....I'll take Mchale

[Alhazred]

Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs highly efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.

McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.

Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, how about playoffs?

McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.

Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.

For primary option I might pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.

McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.

Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale, as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.

Damn, you said everything I wanted to. Put me down for McHale, as well.

[Yung D-Will]

8 Votes for Mchale
8 Votes for Dirk

[FCN]

McHale

Id rather have the tough, defensive-minded banger/lunchpail guy.

I do agree that Dirk would be a better first-option scorer, but I'd want McHale.

[alwaysunny]

If I was to build a team around I'd pick Dirk. If I needed a 2nd option-McHale. Overall I think Dirk is a better player.

[Yung D-Will]

9 Votes for Mchale
9 Votes for Dirk

[Yung D-Will]

=d

[miles berg]

Would need to see Dirk having a guy like Yao Ming inside next to him, something Robert Parish gave McHale. McHale got a lot of room to work inside due to playing with Larry Bird & Robert Parish. It was hard to key on him. Alot harder than when you are playing next to Josh Howard/Caron Butler and Erick Dampier/Brendan Haywood/Shawn Bradley.

With that said, both are historically underrated players and, IMHO, the 4th and 5th best PFs of all time.

[Yung D-Will]

Would need to see Dirk having a guy like Yao Ming inside next to him, something Robert Parish gave McHale. McHale got a lot of room to work inside due to playing with Larry Bird & Robert Parish. It was hard to key on him. Alot harder than when you are playing next to Josh Howard/Caron Butler and Erick Dampier/Brendan Haywood/Shawn Bradley.

With that said, both are historically underrated players and, IMHO, the 4th and 5th best PFs of all time.

1.Duncan
2. Barkley/Malone/Garnett
3. Malone/Barkley/Garnett
4.Garnett/Malone/Barkley


?

[miles berg]

1. Duncan
2. Barkley
3. Malone
4. Dirk/McHale
5. McHale/Dirk

[Yung D-Will]

1. Duncan
2. Barkley
3. Malone
4. Dirk/McHale
5. McHale/Dirk'

O i see.

So this is one of those list where we pretend KG didn't excist

[Brunch@Five]

Dirk's a better player overall but takes too many difficult shots and the rest of my team will just stand around and twiddle their thumbs while Dirk sets up free throw line extended and dribbles the ball into the ground to get off a one footed fadeaway.

Getting the ball into the post with McHale would make the offense flow easier, could create open shots due to double teams, or easy scores.

Plus I have no questions about Kevin's toughness/aggressiveness.

This is why I choose Kevin.

Yeah, let's ignore that McHale was one of the biggest black holes in NBA history. Not too bad a thing when he's hitting 60% from the floor, but he does not make your offense flow easier by any means. Dirk is clearly a better distributor and 1st option.
McHale has never had to prove anything in his career as the 2nd or 3rd option. He's a Pau Gasol type of player. Dirk on the other hand has been the sole leader of his team for close to a decade and has had massive team and individual success. Dirk is clearly better

[miles berg]

'

O i see.

So this is one of those list where we pretend KG didn't excist

No, he exists, I just dont think he was as good as those top 5.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Yeah, let's ignore that McHale was one of the biggest black holes in NBA history. Not too bad a thing when he's hitting 60% from the floor, but he does not make your offense flow easier by any means. Dirk is clearly a better distributor and 1st option.
McHale has never had to prove anything in his career as the 2nd or 3rd option. He's a Pau Gasol type of player. Dirk on the other hand has been the sole leader of his team for close to a decade and has had massive team and individual success. Dirk is clearly better

Riiight so despite being the most efficient player on his team he should give the ball up to someone less efficient? I understand that if he's doubled or whatever he needs to pass it up but I'm sure he did (haven't seen THAT much of him seeing as I'm 18).

Great team success, Dirk? Not too sure there...

[Brunch@Five]

Riiight so despite being the most efficient player on his team he should give the ball up to someone less efficient? I understand that if he's doubled or whatever he needs to pass it up but I'm sure he did (haven't seen THAT much of him seeing as I'm 18).

Great team success, Dirk? Not too sure there...

I didn't say that. But to say he makes you offense flow better? This is flat out wrong. McHale wasn't the Duncan/Shaq type where you could dump it inside and they'd kick it out to the open man. McHale couldn't and didn't run the offense. Dirk does.

And no, he didn't always pass the ball when he needed to. He wasn't nicknamed "The Black Hole" by Danny Ainge for no reason.

[TrueDiesel3]

I didn't say that. But to say he makes you offense flow better? This is flat out wrong. McHale wasn't the Duncan/Shaq type where you could dump it inside and they'd kick it out to the open man. McHale couldn't and didn't run the offense. Dirk does.

And no, he didn't always pass the ball when he needed to. He wasn't nicknamed "The Black Hole" by Danny Ainge for no reason.
You're right, McHale probably couldn't score like Dirk could. But Dirk couldn't even come close to playing the defense or rebounding like McHale could, and that's more than half the game right there. Mchale was greater and better, not to mention McHale had sick post moves, Dirk is too busy taking elbow jumpers.

[Yung D-Will]

10 votes for Dirk
9 votes for Mchale

[Round Mound]

Hard choice, McHale has like the best footwork ever, only Hakeem and few others come close, so if your team needs highly efficient post player who gets it done, Mchale is the choice. If you need PF who spreads the floor - Dirk is amazing.

McHale peaked at 26.1/9.9/2.6 at 60.3% FG! Thats an insane efficiency, even Shaq in his prime havent reached that.

Dirk peaked at 26.6/9.0/2.8 at 48% FG. In regular season McHale was considerably better, how about playoffs?

McHale 25.4/8.0/2.4 at 60.3% FG
Dirk 27.0/11.7/2.9 at 46.8% FG.

Dirk is more clutch, but I doubt he is better rebounder though, McHale played with two other ~7ft who each grabbed ~10 rebounds, while Dirk is the main rebounder. IMO as primary rebounder Mchale would grab as much if not more.

For primary option I might pick Dirk, he elevates his game in the Playoffs, and I value clutchness a lot. His prime lasted longer. But its hard to build around soft jumpshooter, and I dont need to go far to prove my point - with a lot of regular season success Dirk's teams fall flat in the Playoffs, always.

McHale is better as a second option, but then again we dont know how he would have done as a 1st option, super stacked teams makes it harder to evaluate such solid role player. But make no mistake - Dirk wouldnt be 1st option on Bird's Celtics as well.

Bottom line: I would probably choose McHale, as 1st option IMO his points and rebounds would go up, efficiency would go slightly down. Team up him with someone like Ray, Pierce or Melo, and you are set for the Playoffs too. McHale efficiency is mind boggling, he had range too. Against current weak frontcourts he would have a field day, probably 28/12 with 55%, definitely a Top5 player.

Great Analysis.

:applause: McHale was the "2nd Best Scoring PF of All Time in the 2-Point Region" after Barkley and as a "Defender in the Paint"...Better than Dirk. Rebounding wise maybe better too. Dirk was a Better "Off the Dribble Scorer", "Pure Shooter" and "Game Creator" (maybe even "Better Passer")

[Brunch@Five]

You're right, McHale probably couldn't score like Dirk could. But Dirk couldn't even come close to playing the defense or rebounding like McHale could, and that's more than half the game right there. Mchale was greater and better, not to mention McHale had sick post moves, Dirk is too busy taking elbow jumpers.

It's not about scoring. It's about running your offense through someone, which is by far the most important aspect of a great #1 option. Dirk is that guy, McHale is not, because he, despite being a great scorer, was never and could never have been the focal point of an offense

[TrueDiesel3]

It's not about scoring. It's about running your offense through someone, which is by far the most important aspect of a great #1 option. Dirk is that guy, McHale is not, because he, despite being a great scorer, was never and could never have been the focal point of an offense
McHale was more efficient than Dirk, did you watch McHale live? I didn't, and I'll admit that, but based off of stats and accomplishments there's no question that McHale was greater and better than Dirk was.

[ginobli2311]

i think the answer is as follows:

as a franchise type player or number 1 option of a team you clearly want Dirk. Mchale wouldn't be capable of leading a team to the success Dirk has without the help of other great players (as in hall of famers). Dirk is better in crunch time and can take over a game more easily....especially down the stretch.

as the the number 2 option I think its clear you would want mchale. he provides defense, low post scoring, and toughness. mchale was capable at carrying the scoring load a times as well.

i like to think of this as comparing gasol to dirk currently. dirk is more capable of having success in the playoffs and regular season as the main guy. while gasol is a better fit for a 2nd banana role.

This thread illustrates why different players fit different roles and why we should not try to fit every player into the same mold. all players have strengths and weaknesses and fit better in certain roles.

for example, dirk would not thrive in a role that forced him to try and anchor a defense or score in the low post. mchale would not thrive in a role that required him to score 26 a game night in night out without another great player.

just like wade/lebron/kobe would not thrive in the role of a gerald wallace or prince type player.....and vice versa.

so my answer:

as a number 1 option and leader of a team.....easily Dirk.
as a number 2 option that provides toughness, low post scoring, and defense.....easily Mchale.

[sosolid4u09]

i think the answer is as follows:

as a franchise type player or number 1 option of a team you clearly want Dirk. Mchale wouldn't be capable of leading a team to the success Dirk has without the help of other great players (as in hall of famers). Dirk is better in crunch time and can take over a game more easily....especially down the stretch.

as the the number 2 option I think its clear you would want mchale. he provides defense, low post scoring, and toughness. mchale was capable at carrying the scoring load a times as well.

i like to think of this as comparing gasol to dirk currently. dirk is more capable of having success in the playoffs and regular season as the main guy. while gasol is a better fit for a 2nd banana role.

This thread illustrates why different players fit different roles and why we should not try to fit every player into the same mold. all players have strengths and weaknesses and fit better in certain roles.

for example, dirk would not thrive in a role that forced him to try and anchor a defense or score in the low post. mchale would not thrive in a role that required him to score 26 a game night in night out without another great player.

just like wade/lebron/kobe would not thrive in the role of a gerald wallace or prince type player.....and vice versa.

so my answer:

as a number 1 option and leader of a team.....easily Dirk.
as a number 2 option that provides toughness, low post scoring, and defense.....easily Mchale.


Good points. Agree with most of that.

When comparing players it is important to look in context at what the role of the player was within the team. I think when deciding which of the two is better, i think your right in saying McHale is the better number 2 and Dirk is the better number 1. But i feel If the roles were reversed, Dirk would probably be better at McHales job, than vice versa. Marginally.

So i give the nod to Dirk

[Silverbullit]

Dirk!!!!!!

[creepingdeath]

McHale was more efficient than Dirk, did you watch McHale live? I didn't, and I'll admit that, but based off of stats and accomplishments there's no question that McHale was greater and better than Dirk was.
Well, without knowledge of the context, you can't just take stats and accomplishments as a basis. If a guy like Bird, who was in consideration for GOAT at his time, would play next to Dirk (or better yet, Dirk next to Bird, let's stay honest), his stats, especially his FG%, would inflate a lot, cause he would be able to get more open looks etc. And to most people who actually watched McHale, it's clear that he is not a greater and better player.

[Yung D-Will]

12 votes for Dirk
10 votes for Mchale

[raiderfan19]

There are seriously people who think this is mchale? First off how is dirk "not nearly the rebounder mchale was?" Their career rebounds per 36 minutes are 8.5 for mchale and 8.3 per dirk while mchale played at a MUCH faster pace and was doing so while much fresher because he didnt play much and playing closer to the basket which opened up more offensive rebounds.

[Brunch@Five]

McHale was more efficient than Dirk, did you watch McHale live? I didn't, and I'll admit that, but based off of stats and accomplishments there's no question that McHale was greater and better than Dirk was.

in what parallel universe does McHale have more accomplishments and better stats?

[EarlTheGoat]

I take Dirk Nowitzki.

He was more of a franchise player and all-around player than Mchale was, Kevin had superb post-moves, but Dirk had major capacity to take over games and win them by himself. McHale was a good defensive player, better than Dirk, but not that much better to conclude as a decisive factor.

Its not a far-fetched comparison, and in some ways its close, but I think Nowitzki was somehow the better player.

[kentatm]

i think the answer is as follows:

as a franchise type player or number 1 option of a team you clearly want Dirk. Mchale wouldn't be capable of leading a team to the success Dirk has without the help of other great players (as in hall of famers). Dirk is better in crunch time and can take over a game more easily....especially down the stretch.

as the the number 2 option I think its clear you would want mchale. he provides defense, low post scoring, and toughness. mchale was capable at carrying the scoring load a times as well.

i like to think of this as comparing gasol to dirk currently. dirk is more capable of having success in the playoffs and regular season as the main guy. while gasol is a better fit for a 2nd banana role.

This thread illustrates why different players fit different roles and why we should not try to fit every player into the same mold. all players have strengths and weaknesses and fit better in certain roles.

for example, dirk would not thrive in a role that forced him to try and anchor a defense or score in the low post. mchale would not thrive in a role that required him to score 26 a game night in night out without another great player.

just like wade/lebron/kobe would not thrive in the role of a gerald wallace or prince type player.....and vice versa.

so my answer:

as a number 1 option and leader of a team.....easily Dirk.
as a number 2 option that provides toughness, low post scoring, and defense.....easily Mchale.


this line of thought is why I have not yet fired you from my front office. RBA is getting kept on as a boxing consultant only.

Though I am considering making you work on Christmas, New Years and Easter as punishment.


McHale was on a team that perfectly suited him. Dirk has been on some very good teams but they have never been properly built around him due to a variety of reasons.

[moaz]

to annihilate Go Getters bias vote:

Dirk

[momo]

Kevin Mchale. Not just for the shimmy either.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/b_lew/antoine_walker-1.jpg

[Lebron23]

Troll post

Mchale - 3 NBA Championship Rings

Dirk - 0 ring

I hated these kind of posts.

[Yung D-Will]

Never finished taking count :lol

[ThemBombs]

Dirk

[ThemBombs]

I hated these kind of posts.
smh...

Derek Fisher has 5 rings, but AI has 0. does that make Fisher the better player?

[MasterDurant24]

Too easy. McHale, one of the best low post players of all time.

[Papaya Petee]

This is like Kobe vs LeBron

McHale has the achivements, but Dirk is the better player.

Dirk for me.

[Brunch@Five]

This is like Kobe vs LeBron

McHale has the achivements, but Dirk is the better player.

Dirk for me.

what achievements does McHale have that Dirk has not, other than the championships he won mostly due to Bird?

[DKLaker]

Possibly the best footwork I've ever seen, no ego, never minded if he was a starter or coming off the bench, just go the job done.

McHale any day.


McHale without any question.

Most of these guys never saw him play.....his best season is identical to Tim Duncan's best season.....statistically. McHale had big time all around skills....Dirk is just a shooter.

[LosBulls]

Lol Dirk is just way better.

[Yung D-Will]

Dirk 17
Mchale 13

[BallPhunk]

what achievements does McHale have that Dirk has not, other than the championships he won mostly due to Bird?


Way to have a good understanding of basketball on a basketball forum. :rolleyes:

[Flamboyant]

To some posts above:
1. McHale is not the better second option (Dirk clearly is), he is the better role player (at most).
2. Anyone thinking that Kevin is a better rebounder, or passer hasn't really watched these guys play much.
3. The guy that called McHale the GOAT defensive PF needs to get pimpsmacked.

Dirk by a landslide.

[Yung D-Will]

To some posts above:
1. McHale is not the better second option (Dirk clearly is), he is the better role player (at most).
2. Anyone thinking that Kevin is a better rebounder, or passer hasn't really watched these guys play much.
3. The guy that called McHale the GOAT defensive PF needs to get pimpsmacked.

Dirk by a landslide.
You sure you don't wanna rephrase that

[ShaqAttack3234]

Dirk, McHale was great and at his best, a better scorer, but Dirk's longevity is superior and he's been a franchise player, MVP and consistent MVP candidate for years now. He really changed the power forward position.

[Fatal9]

I don't particularly care for where they rank on an all-time list, but McHale was the better player. Really wish Celtics won in '85 or '87 but the team was dealing with injuries ('85 it was Bird's shooting elbow, '87 it was basically the entire team). McHale would have won the finals MVP if Celtics won in either of those years, and also had one of the best non-finals MVP winning series against Hakeem in '86.

McHale was the better scorer (probably the best half court scorer ever at his position for me), better defender and I prefer his type of offense to Dirk's. McHale's passing sometimes gets diminished because he was a "black hole" but that's because he was so damn efficient. It wasn't a skill he was lacking, can't really compare assist numbers to measure ability when one guy can score on you at will and as a result is a bit less likely to pass back out. He played on the best passing team that I've ever seen in the '86 Celtics, and did nothing to hurt their ball movement.

[Flamboyant]

You sure you don't wanna rephrase that

Which one you think is wrong, rebounding, or passing?

Rebounding: Kevin played in a faster era, and much closer to the basket, and yet doesn't have any huge advantage on Dirk. In playoffs, Dirk turns it up, and has multiple postseason with 10+ boards. Just checked, and indeed McHale has none.

Passing: I'm not gonna pretend Dirks passing is something special, in fact even as a Mavs fan I have (and will) knocked Dirk for his passing in every Bird comparison. But he is just flat out better than Kevin. Everything Brunch@Five has said was dead on. Kevin was indeed a black hole. If you believe comparing these two is actually similar to comparing Dirk v Pau, than I don't know what to say.

[Fatal9]

Rebounding: Kevin played in a faster era, and much closer to the basket, and yet doesn't have any huge advantage on Dirk. In playoffs, Dirk turns it up, and has multiple postseason with 10+ boards. Just checked, and indeed McHale has none.
McHale was also on a frontline that had Bird and Parish getting 10 boards a night. Weren't many free defensive rebounds to grab, compare their offensive rebound numbers and McHale puts Dirk to shame. Dirk is absolutely not a better rebounder.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

McHale was also on a frontline that had Bird and Parish getting 10 boards a night. Weren't many free defensive rebounds to grab, compare their offensive rebound numbers and McHale puts Dirk to shame. Dirk is absolutely not a better rebounder.

And McHale is not a better rebounder as well. I mean if you are going to play the card of :McHale couldn't grab defensive boards because of Bird and Parrish grabbing them all.....

Then someone else can say: Dirk couldn't grab offensive boards because he wasn't camped out in the paint on offense. And he wasn't the 3rd option on offense so therefore he didn't have as many opportunities to grab offensive rebounds.

See? It works both ways.

They are about equal in rebounding. The major difference though is Dirk has been rebounding for a much longer time period than McHale did.

[White Chocolate]

Dirk has the longevity, but McHale shits on him defensively. McHale was also the more clutch of the two. My vote is for Big Kev.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

McHale was also the more clutch of the two.

How many gamewinners did McHale have in his career? I am guessing not that many at all. And for those that say: well he had to play with one of the clutchest players ever in Bird.

That is true. So how do you know that McHale is clutch then? And if it isn't gamewinners then what are you using to define your clutchness?

[jbot]

McHale. though he was a traditional pf while Dirk is a point forward. u can't really compare the 2 since their styles are so different IMO.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I don't particularly care for where they rank on an all-time list, but McHale was the better player. Really wish Celtics won in '85 or '87 but the team was dealing with injuries ('85 it was Bird's shooting elbow, '87 it was basically the entire team). McHale would have won the finals MVP if Celtics won in either of those years, and also had one of the best non-finals MVP winning series against Hakeem in '86.

McHale was the better scorer (probably the best half court scorer ever at his position for me), better defender and I prefer his type of offense to Dirk's. McHale's passing sometimes gets diminished because he was a "black hole" but that's because he was so damn efficient. It wasn't a skill he was lacking, can't really compare assist numbers to measure ability when one guy can score on you at will and as a result is a bit less likely to pass back out. He played on the best passing team that I've ever seen in the '86 Celtics, and did nothing to hurt their ball movement.

Good post, I actually thought McHale was a skilled passer. '86 or '87 Kevin McHale may have been better, but it's hard to compare. I go with Dirk because he was an MVP, consistent MVP candidate and he led his team to the finals with a great playoff run.

I guess it's not a fair comparison because McHale was never in the franchise player role.

If you break them down skill by skill then McHale at his peak wins, but often times, that doesn't necessarily tell who is the better player.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Dirk is the better player. But I imagine had Dirk began his career before McHale then there would be tons of posters on this board saying: How dare you compare McHale to Dirk! Dirk is easily the better player.

Right now what we have going on is good ole day syndrome. The memories of McHale is becoming embellished to prop him up when in reality he was has not been been on Dirk's level for quite a while.

[KIRA]

The one who could actually backdown Tony Parker instead of shoot 15 foot fadeaways over him and the one who has won rings.

[Fatal9]

And McHale is not a better rebounder as well. I mean if you are going to play the card of :McHale couldn't grab defensive boards because of Bird and Parrish grabbing them all.....

Then someone else can say: Dirk couldn't grab offensive boards because he wasn't camped out in the paint on offense. And he wasn't the 3rd option on offense so therefore he didn't have as many opportunities to grab offensive rebounds.
Uh, just watch them play. Dirk would never bang in the paint for offensive rebounds like McHale. Dirk can scoop up some meaningless uncontested defensive rebounds, while McHale was busy running up the court getting position in the post. Doesn't make Dirk a better rebounder, think he's averaging 10 boards on a frontline with Bird/Parish? Offensive rebounding is always a better measure of who the better rebounder is, and McHale nearly doubles Dirk's totals in some years. Not to mention McHale is a better rebounder over their careers per 36 minutes. If you think McHale was the "3rd option" in his prime (post '84) then I don't know what to tell you except that you're clueless - it was Bird, and then McHale and there really is no argument. There is also no correlation between less scoring and offensive rebounding for McHale, in fact his best offensive rebounding season came when he averaged a career high scoring average, and his second best year came when he was the #1 option offensively with Bird missing the year due to injury.

[White Chocolate]

How many gamewinners did McHale have in his career? I am guessing not that many at all. And for those that say: well he had to play with one of the clutchest players ever in Bird.

That is true. So how do you know that McHale is clutch then? And if it isn't gamewinners then what are you using to define your clutchness?


McHale made clutch defensive plays. He came through in the playoffs along with Bird. McHale easily would have won Finals MVP in '85 and '87 if the Celtics had won. He's also had good statlines in important games.


Game 6 against Cleveland in '92- 22 pts/6 reb and 9/12 from the field in 23 minutes off the bench

Game 7 against Cleveland in '92- 15 pts/5 reb and 6/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench

Game 3 against Charlotte in '93- 19 pts/6 reb/3 blk on 8/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench


He didn't choke under pressure.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Uh, just watch them play.

I have watched them play.


Dirk would never bang in the paint for offensive rebounds like McHale.

That's right. Because Dirk has responsibilitiies on the offensive end that McHale never had. Number 1 priority was to score. So therefore Dirk couldn't just hand in the paint while he watches the other number 1 option take on the defense and shoot. Then go for the rebound.


Dirk can scoop up some meaningless uncontested defensive rebounds, while McHale was busy running up the court getting position in the post.

You are right. While McHale was trying to get position. Dirk was trying to score for his team.


Doesn't make Dirk a better rebounder, think he's averaging 10 boards on a frontline with Bird/Parish?

But that is negated because there were more rebounds to be had. It is called PACE.


Offensive rebounding is always a better measure of who the better rebounder is, and McHale nearly doubles Dirk's totals in some years.

Well, considering that Dirk played on a different spot on the floor than McHale and Dirk was the number 1 option for his team. It is not a coincidence that Dirk has lower offensive rebounding numbers. Let's face it, when you shoot from 15 feet out a bunch (and at times shoot a lot of 3 pointers,) your offensive rebounding won't be great.



Not to mention McHale is a better rebounder over their careers per 36 minutes.

The difference is negligible.
McHale's rebounding per 36: 8.5
Dirk's rebounding per 36: 8.3

And that includes Dirk's rookie year in which he was a poor rebounder in the beginning. In fact, Don Nelson once said, "Dirk is the only guy he has ever seen make himself into a rebounder."

Let's take it a step further:
Rebounding percentage for their career:
McHale: 13.2%
Dirk: 13.1%

Pretty much negligible again.

But look at the playoffs:
McHale: 12.6%
Dirk: 14.7%

So while McHale has a slight edge in career... Dirk blows him away in the playoffs.

So like I was saying earlier... McHale wasn't "better" than Dirk at rebounding.

If you think McHale was the "3rd option" in his prime (post '84) then I don't know what to tell you except that you're clueless - it was Bird, and then McHale and there really is no argument.

Well, then at best he was still the second option. And even after Bird left, he was never the number 1 guy. He was always behind someone... including Reggie Lewis.


There is also no correlation between less scoring and offensive rebounding for McHale, in fact his best offensive rebounding season came when he averaged a career high scoring average, and his second best year came when he was the #1 option offensively with Bird missing the year due to injury.

But there is a correlation between offensive rebounding and position on the floor.

[bagelred]

Dirk

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

McHale made clutch defensive plays. He came through in the playoffs along with Bird. McHale easily would have won Finals MVP in '85 and '87 if the Celtics had won. He's also had good statlines in important games.


Game 6 against Cleveland in '92- 22 pts/6 reb and 9/12 from the field in 23 minutes off the bench

Game 7 against Cleveland in '92- 15 pts/5 reb and 6/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench

Game 3 against Charlotte in '93- 19 pts/6 reb/3 blk on 8/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench


He didn't choke under pressure.

So you are going to use 3 playoff games for his career?

You do realize that Dirk hasn't lost a Game 7 in his career, and has averaged 30/10 in those Game 7s? And to top it off he has 6 or 7 game winners in the last 5 years. The only player who has more in that time frame has been Kobe.

Not sure how anyone can say McHale was more "clutch." Dirk's clutchness gets blasted because of the one free throw miss in the Finals (which did not cost them the series btw). But in relation to McHale. He has a lot better resume in that department.

McHale in clutchness is like the guy who bats .300 for one season while Dirk is like the guy who bats .300 for most of his career.

[MasterDurant24]

How many gamewinners did McHale have in his career? I am guessing not that many at all. And for those that say: well he had to play with one of the clutchest players ever in Bird.

That is true. So how do you know that McHale is clutch then? And if it isn't gamewinners then what are you using to define your clutchness?
Clutchness is playing great in tight and pressure situations, which McHale did much better than Nowitzki.

[MasterDurant24]

Dirk, McHale was great and at his best, a better scorer, but Dirk's longevity is superior and he's been a franchise player, MVP and consistent MVP candidate for years now. He really changed the power forward position.
He damn sure wouldn't have been an MVP candidate on the Celtics or even back in the 80s at all.

[Yung D-Will]

So you are going to use 3 playoff games for his career?

You do realize that Dirk hasn't lost a Game 7 in his career, and has averaged 30/10 in those Game 7s? And to top it off he has 6 or 7 game winners in the last 5 years. The only player who has more in that time frame has been Kobe.

Not sure how anyone can say McHale was more "clutch." Dirk's clutchness gets blasted because of the one free throw miss in the Finals (which did not cost them the series btw). But in relation to McHale. He has a lot better resume in that department.

McHale in clutchness is like the guy who bats .300 for one season while Dirk is like the guy who bats .300 for most of his career.

So Just because he hasn't lose a game 7 we're gonna ignore things like the Golden state year and the Heat year? :oldlol:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Clutchness is playing great in tight and pressure situations, which McHale did much better than Nowitzki.

Not if you go by stats or by gamewinners.


So Just because he hasn't lose a game 7 we're gonna ignore things like the Golden state year and the Heat year?

And also all the game winners as well?

[KobeDaMamba]

Dirk would feast in the 80s. Perimeter defense was terrible with guys sagging off like 3-4 feet off their man. Dirk would rain treys all day. Shots werent heavily contested either. All teams wanted to do was RUN N GUN. Dudes like English,Gervin, King and Dantley were droppin 30 ppg on 50+ shooting. Defense in the paint was better and games were phyiscal. Thats not Dirks game, tho. Dirk > McFail. Dirk is one of 5 guys in history to average 25/10 in the playoffs.

[MasterDurant24]

Not if you go by stats or by gamewinners.



And also all the game winners as well?
Game winners is just a fraction of clutchness, and stats don't describe Kevin McHale.

[MasterDurant24]

Dirk would feast in the 80s. Perimeter defense was terrible with guys sagging off like 3-4 feet off their man. Dirk would rain treys all day. Shots werent heavily contested either. All teams wanted to do was RUN N GUN. Dudes like English,Gervin, King and Dantley were droppin 30 ppg on 50+ shooting. Defense in the paint was better and games were phyiscal. Thats not Dirks game, tho. Dirk > McFail. Dirk is one of 5 guys in history to average 25/10 in the playoffs.
:banghead: :hammerhead: :banghead: :hammerhead:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Game winners is just a fraction of clutchness, and stats don't describe Kevin McHale.

So stats describe Nowitzki?

If Dirk was all about stats, he would've padded his stats a long time ago. He is one of the very few superstars today that could care less about stats. And does quite a few things to not accumlate stats in the long run.

[KobeDaMamba]

:banghead: :hammerhead: :banghead: :hammerhead:

STFU clown. You're probably one of those retards picking the old school player just to earn a old school rep.

[The_Yearning]

This is a no brainer.

Give me the German.

[godofgods]

McHale is one of the greatest PFs of all time but Dirk is a legend.

[DKLaker]

So Just because he hasn't lose a game 7 we're gonna ignore things like the Golden state year and the Heat year? :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MasterDurant24]

STFU clown. You're probably one of those retards picking the old school player just to earn a old school rep.
I damn sure don't want to be known as some old school cat. But Dirk kill in the 80s? Oh my lord...

[MasterDurant24]

So stats describe Nowitzki?

If Dirk was all about stats, he would've padded his stats a long time ago. He is one of the very few superstars today that could care less about stats. And does quite a few things to not accumlate stats in the long run.
First, Kevin McHale was the Celtic's sixth man for 8 of his 13 seasons. McHale was also a superb defender, a trait that stats only partially describe. His duty was to always guard the opponent's best frontcourt scorer, and he did a hell of a job at that. Dirk is just an alright, if that, defender. He was also a tenacious rebounder, but he played with two of the leauge's best rebounders, Parish and Bird.

If I'm picking a player to build around, I'm going with Kev. To win a championship you must have: a very good low post player or Michael Jordan. McHale fits the bill. Dirk is more of a perimeter player. Don't worry. If I was to pick the more talented player, oh Dirk no doubt. He's much more versatile. But McHale was so good at what he did, that it edges him past Dirk in my mind. And here's another a question to leave you guys. If I'm a big man, who would I'd be more scared to guard? A ferocious low post scorer that commands double teams or a man who prefers to hang around the perimeter? Just think about it.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

First, Kevin McHale was the Celtic's sixth man for 8 of his 13 seasons. McHale was also a superb defender, a trait that stats only partially describe. His duty was to always guard the opponent's best frontcourt scorer, and he did a hell of a job at that. Dirk is just an alright, if that, defender. He was also a tenacious rebounder, but he played with two of the leauge's best rebounders, Parish and Bird.

If I'm picking a player to build around, I'm going with Kev. To win a championship you must have: a very good low post player or Michael Jordan. McHale fits the bill. Dirk is more of a perimeter player. Don't worry. If I was to pick the more talented player, oh Dirk no doubt. He's much more versatile. But McHale was so good at what he did, that it edges him past Dirk in my mind. And here's another a question to leave you guys. If I'm a big man, who would I'd be more scared to guard? A ferocious low post scorer that commands double teams or a man who prefers to hang around the perimeter? Just think about it.

So you agree that Dirk is the better player, but you would rather choose Kevin McHale to build around because he is easier to build around.

That is the funny thing about ISH sometimes:

A poster asks who is better? 99% of the posters say: Player X but they would rather have Player Y... so they choose Player Y.

[MasterDurant24]

So you agree that Dirk is the better player, but you would rather choose Kevin McHale to build around because he is easier to build around.

That is the funny thing about ISH sometimes:

A poster asks who is better? 99% of the posters say: Player X but they would rather have PlayerY... so they choose Player Y.
More talented does not mean better...

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

More talented does not mean better...

Then what makes Dirk so much more talented than McHale? You say he was......

[MasterDurant24]

Then what makes Dirk so much more talented than McHale? You say he was......
He has more of a variety of skills. However McHale is so great at what he does, that it overpowers Nowitziki's balanced skills.

[Papaya Petee]

Dirk has the longevity, but McHale shits on him defensively. McHale was also the more clutch of the two. My vote is for Big Kev.


SAY WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Yung D-Will]

Dirk Nowitzki: 24 votes
Kevin Mchale: 18 votes

[ShaqAttack3234]

He damn sure wouldn't have been an MVP candidate on the Celtics or even back in the 80s at all.

How do you know he wouldn't have been an MVP candidate in the 80's? If he was posting similar numbers on 55-60 win teams, which isn't a stretch considering he's done it consistently now, then he would have atleast been a candidate. No way is he winning any, but he would have been a candidate had he done what he did in his own era. Hell, Terry Cummings was top 5 in MVP voting in 1985 and he wasn't as good as Dirk. Sidney Moncrief was 4th in 1983 as well. Robert Parish was nowhere near the player Dirk(or McHale for that matter) are/were and he was 4th in 1982 despite playing with Larry Bird. That same year, Gus Williams was 5th.

It would have been interesting to see what McHale could have done as the franchise player. He definitely had the skills.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

He has more of a variety of skills. However McHale is so great at what he does, that it overpowers Nowitziki's balanced skills.

And I thought the exacrt opposite. Dirk's scoring/number 1 option is so much more overpowering than McHale's all around skill.

[magnax1]

Dirk would not have been an MVP during the 80's. Would he really win it ever over Jordan, Bird, Moses, Magic, kareem even during some of their worst seasons during the 80's? Dirk won because there wasn't a perfect option there. Nobody wanted to give it too Nash a third time, or Duncan past his prime even though he was better, or Kobe because his team only won 40 some ive games.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Dirk would not have been an MVP during the 80's. Would he really win it ever over Jordan, Bird, Moses, Magic, kareem even during some of their worst seasons during the 80's? Dirk won because there wasn't a perfect option there. Nobody wanted to give it too Nash a third time, or Duncan past his prime even though he was better, or Kobe because his team only won 40 some ive games.

Never said he'd win, but if he produced the same, then he'd be a candidate.

[MasterDurant24]

Never said he'd win, but if he produced the same, then he'd be a candidate.
Yeah. If.

[magnax1]

Never said he'd win, but if he produced the same, then he'd be a candidate.
I always thought candidate=had a chance to win it

[creepingdeath]

Kev more clutch than Dirk? :roll: He barely had to carry a burden as heavy as Dirk had to throughout his career.

[CeltsGarlic]

Dirk was MVP. 1 more for German one.

[MasterDurant24]

Dirk was MVP. 1 more for German one.
He didn't have Jordan, Magic, Isiah, Bird, and Akeem to compete against. But MVP is MVP I guess...

[creepingdeath]

No, but the likes of Shaq, Timmy D. and Kobe, arguably three of the top 10 players of all time. And I didn't know that McHale had to compete against Bird. :oldlol:

[Yung D-Will]

No, but the likes of Shaq, Timmy D. and Kobe, arguably three of the top 10 players of all time. And I didn't know that McHale had to compete against Bird. :oldlol:

I think he meant he had to compete with Bird for an MVP

[creepingdeath]

Which isn't true either. The best what he could do was in 1986-87, but he was never a serious competitor against Bird.

[Flamboyant]

McHale made clutch defensive plays. He came through in the playoffs along with Bird. McHale easily would have won Finals MVP in '85 and '87 if the Celtics had won. He's also had good statlines in important games.


Game 6 against Cleveland in '92- 22 pts/6 reb and 9/12 from the field in 23 minutes off the bench

Game 7 against Cleveland in '92- 15 pts/5 reb and 6/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench

Game 3 against Charlotte in '93- 19 pts/6 reb/3 blk on 8/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench


He didn't choke under pressure.

Did you just bring up a 15/5 game (a LOSS actually) to say McHale is more clutch than Dirk. That would have been by far the worst career game 7 for Dirk.

WOW

And here's another a question to leave you guys. If I'm a big man, who would I'd be more scared to guard? A ferocious low post scorer that commands double teams or a man who prefers to hang around the perimeter? Just think about it.

OK, let's illustrate it. Say you are Tim Duncan. Who would you rather go up against. Shaquille Oneal (10x the player McHale ever was), or Dirk. Now I'm taking this example, because we have actually seen these matchups (at least I have), and it was obviuos that Duncan was struggling more against Dirk. In fact most of the times, Bowen was the one defending Dirk, because Timmy (one of the greatest defenders of all time) was no match for Dirk. Just ran a quick scan, and here's what they average:

Dirk has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
24.5ppg/10rpg/49%FG/93%FT record 2:2 (got injured in 03)

Shaq has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
22.4ppg/12.8rpg/53%FG/53%FT record 2:4

And once again, this is Shaq (McHale x10). I know Duncan is a great post defender, so this particular matchup doesn't work in Shaqs favor, but it's what you asked for, and goes on to show that Dirk is a matchup nightmare.

You can try and make points about all around play, defense, blah blah blah, whatever, but as a defender you fear Dirk more. period.

[MasterDurant24]

Did you just bring up a 15/5 game (a LOSS actually) to say McHale is more clutch than Dirk. That would have been by far the worst career game 7 for Dirk.

WOW


OK, let's illustrate it. Say you are Tim Duncan. Who would you rather go up against. Shaquille Oneal (10x the player McHale ever was), or Dirk. Now I'm taking this example, because we have actually seen these matchups (at least I have), and it was obviuos that Duncan was struggling more against Dirk. In fact most of the times, Bowen was the one defending Dirk, because Timmy (one of the greatest defenders of all time) was no match for Dirk. Just ran a quick scan, and here's what they average:

Dirk has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
24.5ppg/10rpg/49%FG/93%FT record 2:2 (got injured in 03)

Shaq has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
22.4ppg/12.8rpg/53%FG/53%FT record 2:4

And once again, this is Shaq (McHale x10). I know Duncan is a great post defender, so this particular matchup doesn't work in Shaqs favor, but it's what you asked for, and goes on to show that Dirk is a matchup nightmare.

You can try and make points about all around play, defense, blah blah blah, whatever, but as a defender you fear Dirk more. period.
Those really aren't much better stats though, except for the fact that Dirk can actually make free throws. Yeah, big, slow guys who actually can defend in the post might want to take more of a chance guarding Shaq instead of a perimeter player like Dirk. But they aren't the ones who should be guarding Dirk anyway.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Yeah, big, slow guys who actually can defend in the post might want to take more of a chance guarding Shaq instead of a perimeter player like Dirk. But they aren't the ones who should be guarding Dirk anyway.

Hence the reason why most PFs fear Dirk more. Because he takes them out of their comfort zone. So much so, that they have to put another player on him just to guard.

[Flamboyant]

Those really aren't much better stats though, except for the fact that Dirk can actually make free throws. Yeah, big, slow guys who actually can defend in the post might want to take more of a chance guarding Shaq instead of a perimeter player like Dirk. But they aren't the ones who should be guarding Dirk anyway.

Nope, they aren't much better, but they still are better. . Keep in mind that those were Shaqs numbers. McHale can't put up those numbers (besides FT%) while being defended by Timmy. And more importantely Dirk has a better winning record. That just shows how much Dirks presence changed the things. In 06 Harris, and Terry were killing the opponents with penetration, all thanks to Dirk opening up the floor for them.

Plus in your previous post you said "If I'm a big man, who would I'd be more scared to guard?", and now you say "Yeah, big, slow guys who actually can defend in the post might want to take more of a chance guarding Shaq, instead of a premiter player like Dirk." Thats exactly what big men are. Please be more specific, which big men you think will do better against him (or would fear McHale more). The defenders that have done the best job against Dirk IMO are/were Marion, and Kirilenko. And Dirk has history of torching them as well.

I seriously don't believe that you (or anyone) would honestly think that Kevin is a worse defensive matchup than Dirk. sorry

[White Chocolate]

Did you just bring up a 15/5 game (a LOSS actually) to say McHale is more clutch than Dirk. That would have been by far the worst career game 7 for Dirk.

WOW


You do realize McHale was coming off the bench at that point and had nagging injuries, right?

[Basketball Dirk]

Dirk

:banana:

[1987_Lakers]

Dirk obviously ranks higher on the all-time list. If I already have a stacked team give me McHale, dude was an absolute beast during his peak.

[TheBigVeto]

As great as McHale is, he's no Dirk.
Dirk wins.

McHale's better than Wilt Chamberlain though.

[madmax17]

This is a question for Barkley I wonder who would he pick.

[kenny817]

They call him Almighty for a reason

[PistolPete44]

Mchale is a much better passer too...

[noosaman]

Mchale is a much better passer too...

LOL.