*OTC NBA Rant* If Lebron goes to the Heat I might be done with the NBA

[-playmaker-]

I realize there are like a billion Bron threads in the main forum and the mods are having to delete them at an alarming rate...

but I just have to vent here...

If Lebron goes to the HEAT...then F*CK YOU NBA!!!


also, the Heat will be the team I hate the most in all over professional sports...ahead of the Eagles and Skins and Giants even...

f*ck Wade...f*ck Bron...f*ck the Heat...

I hope they fail, I hope Bron never wins a damn thing his whole career...I hope he breaks his f*ckin arm.


that is all...sorry

[tian820]

Couldn't you wait the 3 hours before making the thread?

[-playmaker-]

Couldn't you wait the 3 hours before making the thread?
I just heard it is known that he will be going to the Heat...

which made me heated...no pun intended...

[-playmaker-]

what is the f*kin point?

Wade/Bosh/Bron???

what a ridiculous f*ckin joke...


hope Kobe stomps them all...

[bladefd]

If that happens, you should come onboard the Lakers bandwagon. You are always welcome, along with anyone else. Very few other teams stand a chance of defeating a Wade/LeBron/Bosh trio (Boston is the only other team and just maybe the Magic but I doubt it).

[Gifted Mind]

I doubt he will go to Miami. And it's funny how posters like you complain about the quality of NBA Forum threads, but this is arguably worse. Really, the OTC NBA discussions, by these OTC-only NBA posters, is no better than the ones going on in the NBA Forum.

[Posterize246]

If this makes you hate the Heat more than the Eagles/Skins/Giants, you need to check your fanhood.

[Lebron Bryant]

I like Wade and Bosh but **** Lebron after this.

[AirGauge23]

U the opposite of calm?

[-playmaker-]

I doubt he will go to Miami. And it's funny how posters like you complain about the quality of NBA Forum threads, but this is arguably worse. Really, the OTC NBA discussions, by these OTC-only NBA posters, is no better than the ones going on in the NBA Forum.
sorry, i know...I am alone in my office...heard this on the radio

this is my only place to vent...I NEED TO VENT


apparently the Miami Paper already has the headline made ..."The Miami Thrice"

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Gifted Mind]

Don't worry, he will not go to Miami. You can take my word for it. It's not necessary to rant. Especially right now.

[-playmaker-]

Don't worry, he will not go to Miami. You can take my word for it. It's not necessary to rant. Especially right now.
according to Dallas radio...it is done deal...

hope you right...

[AirGauge23]

I hope he doesn't either. It would tarnish Wade's greatness.

Wade > Bron

[Doomsday Dallas]

If that happens, you should come onboard the Lakers bandwagon. You are always welcome, along with anyone else. Very few other teams stand a chance of defeating a Wade/LeBron/Bosh trio (Boston is the only other team and just maybe the Magic but I doubt it).

I'll take a Lakers 3peat over a Heat title any day.

I might be on that Lakers bandwagon because i sure as $hit don't want the Mavericks to play the Heat in the Finals next year... That will bring back too many painful memories.

[Doomsday Dallas]

this Is F*cking Bull $hit!!!!!!

[AirGauge23]

Will any of you be watching this thing?

[-playmaker-]

I hope he doesn't either. It would tarnish Wade's greatness.

Wade > Bron
it will tarnish all their careers

infact if they win a ring next year in book it doesn't count...

any ring those 3 win together doesn't count...

NBA will become pointless to watch...for all of us

[AirGauge23]

it will tarnish all their careers

infact if they win a ring next year in book it doesn't count...

any ring those 3 win together doesn't count...

NBA will become pointless to watch...for all of us

That' why I think it won't happen.

They know the consequences it would bring. And all the hate by the fans and media.

I'll be happy with Wade/Bosh + good role players.

[ROCSteady]

:cheers:
what is the f*kin point?

Wade/Bosh/Bron???

what a ridiculous f*ckin joke...


hope Kobe stomps them all...

Dude I like you in all areas but NFL in which I loathe your homerism but I agree. I won't hate Wade or Bosh, jus Le Pom Pom for being a chump loser. Win a game in the Finals with your own team.....

[Lebron Bryant]

What if the Cowboys did the same as well playmaker? The NFL is uncapped and they can spend money like the Heat. But buying doesn't win all the time(see Dan Synder).

[oh the horror]

I'd prefer him to head out to the Knicks, for him to pair with Amare, or remain with the Cavs.... Spread the talent around, ya know?


Watching ONE team with essentially what is an OVERLOAD of talent, would just be such a bore..


I mean at first it would be interesting to see that kind of talent on one team, but watching them basically demolish the entire league, en route to a title? Come on, thats lame.


Who would honestly rival a team like that? You have THREE guys who, at times require EXTRA attention on defense. How do you compete?


Sorry but I dont see ANYONE beating that much talent on one team.

[Doomsday Dallas]

it will tarnish all their careers

infact if they win a ring next year in book it doesn't count...

any ring those 3 win together doesn't count...

NBA will become pointless to watch...for all of us


I hope Miami has a Oil Hurricane this summer... and the team has to relocate like the New Orleans Hornets had to.

[Juges8932]

Lol, you would hate Wade? Dumb. Wade is only doing what is good for him and the franchise he has been with since the beginning.

I don't agree with hating Bron, but I can at least understand why Cav fans would.

[AirGauge23]

I hope Miami has a Oil Hurricane this summer... and the team has to relocate like the New Orleans Hornets had to.

I heard they might send Beasley your way in exchange for Haywood.

It was a couple of days ago, and with all the shit that's been going on lately, who knows what's gonna happen.

[-playmaker-]

I hope Miami has a Oil Hurricane this summer... and the team has to relocate like the New Orleans Hornets had to.
couldn't help but to laugh at this...:oldlol:

[-playmaker-]

Lol, you would hate Wade? Dumb. Wade is only doing what is good for him and the franchise he has been with since the beginning.

I don't agree with hating Bron, but I can at least understand why Cav fans would.
you're asking a Mavs fan if he would hate Wade? Dumb.

[-playmaker-]

omg...I just had a mental image of myself strangling Wade with a whistle string to death and laughing over his dead body...

[SALFORD-RED]

If this makes you hate the Heat more than the Eagles/Skins/Giants, you need to check your fanhood.


4real. i thought that the nfc east hate was some shiite and sunni sheet.

[Juges8932]

omg...I just had a mental image of myself strangling Wade with a whistle string to death and laughing over his dead body...

Yeah, I'm the dumb one. You have issues.

[SALFORD-RED]

omg...I just had a mental image of myself strangling Wade with a whistle string to death and laughing over his dead body...


wtf :lol :applause: :roll: :bowdown:

playmaker you are one crazy mofo

[Black Joker]

Lol, you would hate Wade? Dumb. Wade is only doing what is good for him and the franchise he has been with since the beginning.

I don't agree with hating Bron, but I can at least understand why Cav fans would.
as a Cav fan... i will loathe Lebron if he leaves... damn it, seriously, why does he need a flipping TV show to break up with us :cry: :cry:

[SALFORD-RED]

as a Cav fan... i will loathe Lebron if he leaves... damn it, seriously, why does he need a flipping TV show to break up with us :cry: :cry:

I know man, that would be coldblooded if he dumped you on TV,

[-playmaker-]

4real. i thought that the nfc east hate was some shiite and sunni sheet.
I am knee-jerking

the Eagles will always get my worst


however, this does ruin the NBA for me pretty much...my Heat hatred has gone up 10x because of this...

I can only hope that Dallas radio jumped the gun here...


maybe Bron's plan was to have the public and more specifically Cleveland scared into thinking the Heat is a done deal...that we he can shock us all into loving him again when he says he is staying home...

I hope...

[DeuceWallaces]

I doubt he will go to Miami. And it's funny how posters like you complain about the quality of NBA Forum threads, but this is arguably worse. Really, the OTC NBA discussions, by these OTC-only NBA posters, is no better than the ones going on in the NBA Forum.

Yeah, we have our own OTC FA thread because of stupid main forum threads and people making a ton of threads that could easily have gone in another but they want attention and we have our resident idiot make a thread that could have just gone in our sticky.

[-playmaker-]

Yeah, we have our own OTC FA thread because of stupid main forum threads and people making a ton of threads that could easily have gone in another but they want attention and we have our resident idiot make a thread that could have just gone in our sticky.
you look like a girl...

[SALFORD-RED]

Yeah, we have our own OTC FA thread because of stupid main forum threads and people making a ton of threads that could easily have gone in another but they want attention and we have our resident idiot make a thread that could have just gone in our sticky.

constant bitching about the quality of this site is starting to get old.

why the vet posters always gotta be grumpy?

[-playmaker-]

constant bitching about the quality of this site is starting to get old.

why the vet posters always gotta be grumpy?
that is just him/her...90% of his posts are negative

[dukecitydave]

I used to dislike LeBron before. I F*CKING HATE HIM NOW. He has become the Paris Hilton of the NBA. Find a team, sign a contract just like everyother player in the NBA. YOU DONT NEED IN HOUR LONG SPECIAL YOU F*CKING PRICK TEASE!!!

[bballer]

I personally like Lebron. I was born in Cleveland, and have loved watching him develop, but I would lose a chunk of respect if he were to leave the city and join the power team.

I am also hoping that he goes to the Knicks and the Raymond Felton goes to the Knicks

[SALFORD-RED]

I personally like Lebron. I was born in Cleveland, and have loved watching him develop, but I would lose a chunk of respect if he were to leave the city and join the power team.

I am also hoping that he goes to the Knicks and the Raymond Felton goes to the Knicks

my gut is saying that he stays, im thinking that haveing a big announcement press conference to state he is leaving would be a pr backfire and you know how much pr counts to players who make 75% of their earnings thru endorsements.

otherwise this will be like the rape case in 2003 when public opinion on kobe 180'd overnite.

but on the other hand i could be talking complete bollocks. :confusedshrug:

[-playmaker-]

I personally like Lebron. I was born in Cleveland, and have loved watching him develop, but I would lose a chunk of respect if he were to leave the city and join the power team.

I am also hoping that he goes to the Knicks and the Raymond Felton goes to the Knicks
you mean if it isn't Cleveland?

why are the local sports shows here acting as though the Heat is a done deal for him?



is there a net feed for this little show?

can't believe I just asked that...

[bballer]

you mean if it isn't Cleveland?

why are the local sports shows here acting as though the Heat is a done deal for him?



is there a net feed for this little show?

can't believe I just asked that...
No I don't like the Cavs, I like the Bobcats only becuase they have felton, but I do like Lebron

[craigthomasb]

who the hell is lebron james?

[knobs]

eh. championships aren't decided on paper. the trio would surely be a force, but the entire league has long been heading in a direction of talent concentration and overload. there are at least a few teams that would give a heat team stacked with minimum bums and old veterans a real run for their money. the lakers aren't going anywhere, and are actually improving (blake was a hell of an addition). i really don't think the celts are done - a short injection of young talent and they're right at the front of the race once more. and then you have the usuals who'll be back again.

even if those three sign together, it's not going to be a walk in the park. remember the 04 lakers? understandably a unique situation in and of itself, but comparable nonetheless.

honestly, wade and bron? that duo has been discussed ad nauseum, based on international play alone. they're both incredibly talented and won't suck as a combined force, but they aren't going to walk over the rest of the league. their compatability leaves something to be desired - it'll be the same ol' 'both of them need the ball to be effective' routine. not to say they won't excel in any situation either of them are put in, but in this case, it's pretty safe to say that the sum is definitely less than the parts. bosh will compliment them both more than they'll compliment each other.

they might well win the chip, but its not going to be a cakewalk. and i actually don't mind it in the least - lala land needs some competition. ;)

[-playmaker-]

http://atdhe.net/

live feed for anyone else at work...

[simcjt]

you mean if it isn't Cleveland?

why are the local sports shows here acting as though the Heat is a done deal for him?



is there a net feed for this little show?

can't believe I just asked that...
ESPN 3. Not sure if ur still looking for one

[-playmaker-]

eh. championships aren't decided on paper. the trio would surely be a force, but the entire league has long been heading in a direction of talent concentration and overload. there are at least a few teams that would give a heat team stacked with minimum bums and old veterans a real run for their money. the lakers aren't going anywhere, and are actually improving (blake was a hell of an addition). i really don't think the celts are done - a short injection of young talent and they're right at the front of the race once more. and then you have the usuals who'll be back again.

even if those three sign together, it's not going to be a walk in the park. remember the 04 lakers? understandably a unique situation in and of itself, but comparable nonetheless.

honestly, wade and bron? that duo has been discussed ad nauseum, based on international play alone. they're both incredibly talented and won't suck as a combined force, but they aren't going to walk over the rest of the league. their compatability leaves something to be desired - it'll be the same ol' 'both of them need the ball to be effective' routine. not to say they won't excel in any situation either of them are put in, but in this case, it's pretty safe to say that the sum is definitely less than the parts. bosh will compliment them both more than they'll compliment each other.

they might well win the chip, but its not going to be a cakewalk. and i actually don't mind it in the least - lala land needs some competition. ;)
good point with the 04 Lakers

still greatful that Malone is ringless....

[-playmaker-]

ESPN 3. Not sure if ur still looking for one
what is that a site?

[Hawker]

**** the Heat. *Asterisk forever on that 2006 Final.

[PowerGlove]

The man has a once in a lifetime opportunity in front of him and people are b*tching and moaning about the rumor of him taking it.

[simcjt]

what is that a site?
http://espn.go.com/espn3/index

Its what espn 360 use to be. Its a direct feed from espn. They've also been airing the world cup games among other things and will be the main flagship when the move on to the xbox 360.

They have been advertising it like crazy. I love ATDHE but I would go with the direct feed from espn

[-playmaker-]

http://espn.go.com/espn3/index

Its what espn 360 use to be. Its a direct feed from espn. They've also been airing the world cup games among other things and will be the main flagship when the move on to the xbox 360.

They have been advertising it like crazy. I love ATDHE but I would go with the direct feed from espn
okay, thank you for this

[Hawker]

The man has a once in a lifetime opportunity in front of him and people are b*tching and moaning about the rumor of him taking it.

I don't care what Lebron does. He has the right to choose anywhere he wants. Cleveland didn't work out for him so I see no reason why he should stay. Plus, Cleveland just sucks. He's smart for having this one hour TV show. He deserves it for how much the NBA makes money off of him.

I mean come on, Miami >>>>> Cleveland and it aint even close.

I still have the Heat though.

[Lebron Bryant]

I used to dislike LeBron before. I F*CKING HATE HIM NOW. He has become the Paris Hilton of the NBA. Find a team, sign a contract just like everyother player in the NBA. YOU DONT NEED IN HOUR LONG SPECIAL YOU F*CKING PRICK TEASE!!!


Or the Brett Farve of the league as well.

[-playmaker-]

You won't give up the NBA.
you're probably right...but I will be rooting against the Heat the whole way...

and if they win a ring I could see myself just not wanting to watch any more...

[-playmaker-]

ESPN reporting right now that Bron has told multiple people close to him that he is in fact going to Miami...


this is just very upsetting...

I guess I can be greatful I am not a Cav's fan...

[PowerGlove]

I don't care what Lebron does. He has the right to choose anywhere he wants. Cleveland didn't work out for him so I see no reason why he should stay. Plus, Cleveland just sucks. He's smart for having this one hour TV show. He deserves it for how much the NBA makes money off of him.

I mean come on, Miami >>>>> Cleveland and it aint even close.

I still have the Heat though.

You mean you hate the heat? Since you are a mavs fan, I understand, but prime is just complaining to complain. I think it would be awesome for them to team up and try to become greats together. Yeah, they would ruin NBA2k and other games but I think it would still be cool to see.

[-playmaker-]

You mean you hate the heat? Since you are a mavs fan, I understand, but prime is just complaining to complain. I think it would be awesome for them to team up and try to become greats together. Yeah, they would ruin NBA2k and other games but I think it would still be cool to see.
I live in Dallas too dude...lol

everyone should complain about this BS

[simcjt]

:cry: I just realized what this does to NBA 2K11 and NBA Elite ........ This is going to destroy online play for years.

[Lebron Bryant]

I live in Dallas too dude...lol

everyone should complain about this BS


Like I said if it weren't for Lebron, I wouldn't compain. Now I am.

[bballer]

:cry: I just realized what this does to NBA 2K11 and NBA Elite ........ This is going to destroy online play for years.
aw shit

[PowerGlove]

:cry: I just realized what this does to NBA 2K11 and NBA Elite ........ This is going to destroy online play for years.
Pretty much.

I think Kentatm had a thread on it today and I completely agreed.

[Gundress]

Hell Yeah, You Got That Right Bro. F*ck Nba Sack Of Shit!


Let's Go Nfl...can't Wait For The Damn Nfl.

It Makes Me Want To Rooting For Lakers.

I Really Hope Heat Failed And Lebron Is Overrated Pice Of Shit

[Gundress]

I hope Miami has a Oil Hurricane this summer... and the team has to relocate like the New Orleans Hornets had to.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9892/1d91f9ffc6e2feaa0cc89feo.gif (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/1d91f9ffc6e2feaa0cc89feo.gif/)

[simcjt]

Pretty much.

I think Kentatm had a thread on it today and I completely agreed.
I didn't give a **** before but this is a really serious situation. I can stop Wade. I can stop Lebron. I can't stop a whole team of people that can just drive the whole game.

[PowerGlove]

I didn't give a **** before but this is a really serious situation. I can stop Wade. I can stop Lebron. I can't stop a whole team of people that can just drive the whole game.
:roll:

I just dont play online, its all face to face for me.

[Gundress]

:roll:

I just dont play online, its all face to face for me.


360 or PS3?

[PowerGlove]

360 or PS3?
It was on 360, then I sold it. I will be getting a PS3 soon.

[simcjt]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That shit shouldn't even be manageable to pull off in video games.

[pete's montreux]

Poetic justice if he trips while walking onstage and shreds a knee.

[Gundress]

It was on 360, then I sold it. I will be getting a PS3 soon.


Why did you sell 360? Do you know about the 360 Slim?

[-playmaker-]

okay if it isn't Miami I am going to be very upset at ESPN for trying to make the world think it is Miami...

It looks like Miami though...

[PowerGlove]

Why did you sell 360? Do you know about the 360 Slim?
I wont need it when Gran Turismo 5 comes out. And Twisted Metal. Those games are going to take up ALL my time. Not to mention Socom 4. I sunk thousands of hours in Socom 2.

[Gundress]

I wont need it when Gran Turismo 5 comes out. And Twisted Metal. Those games are going to take up ALL my time.


Whoa whoa....wait a min..... a f*cking Twisted Metal? :eek:

I used to love that game....are you serious?

Remake or what?

You must be loving the racing games.

[bada bing]

I am ****ing done with this shit. This is an insult to all NBA fans. Stern should come in and stop this.

Guys of the past would never pull crap like this ever.

[Lebron Bryant]

I guess I'm rooting against the Heat now.

[Shamunoz]

seems like one of those times where people should post whats funny about this

[Jackass18]

Good, I hope they destroy the ****ing Lakers.

[brooks_thompson]

boring. the lakers should find them easy to beat next year, and probably the year after. by then i hope the thunder are ready for kickin ass.

least favorite team of all time. i had a feeling pat riley would sell all those guys though.

[Gundress]

f*ck Nba And F*ck Heat!

[embersyc]

It's better than seeing the Lakers threepeat again.

[Jailblazers7]

It will be interesting to see how the team actually fills out and what they look like on the court. Not sure if I like or not yet. I'd probably rather see lebron in ny or Cleveland just to make the east more interesting.

[Lebron Bryant]

I just want to see them not wining anything.

[-playmaker-]

so you done with the nba?
might as well skip straight to the Finals...Lakers/Heat

go Kobe!



and like THAT...-playmaker- turns into a Kobe fanboy...

I wish my Mavs had a shot at something, but I have to be realistic here, the Mav's chances of winning a ring next year are the exact same chances of Kobe and Bron getting injured...

[-playmaker-]

the Heat fans in that bar were celebrating just like they had won the 3 straight titles already...

how can ANYONE like this but Heat fans?

[AirGauge23]

It will be interesting to see how the team actually fills out and what they look like on the court. Not sure if I like or not yet. I'd probably rather see lebron in ny or Cleveland just to make the east more interesting.

?????
Bosh
Bron
Wade
Chalmers

That's what they look like at the moment. Don't know if Beasley stays or not.

[Parade]

so this mean you're leaving the forum?

[Jailblazers7]

the Heat fans in that bar were celebrating just like they had won the 3 straight titles already...

how can ANYONE like this but Heat fans?

It could be pretty damn fun to watch and since the sixers arent going to be a contender for a while (if they do in the future) I'm not that upset about it.

[-playmaker-]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/kobe_fan.jpg

[brooks_thompson]

I like it essentially just because it's interesting. They're going to be like a team out of a video game. Even more so if they also land Chris Paul in a couple of years.

barring XXXTREME changes in the cap over next summer, there is no way that will ever be possible.

it really is going to be all minimum players + beasley. they better try getting pryzbilla for him or something, cause they need a big guy.

also, counting down the hours until spoelstra gets fired by the don

[brooks_thompson]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/kobe_fan.jpg

agreed. never hated the guy, but now he's my fav, man :pimp:

[Gundress]

LET"S GO KOBE AND LAKERS

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3040/110376636kobeandchrisro.gif (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/110376636kobeandchrisro.gif/)

[-playmaker-]

I don't understand why so many people are pissed off about this. If you're a Cleveland fan, yeah, but otherwise? Just sit back with a bag of popcorn and watch it all unfold.
because it makes it pointless for fans of other teams imo...

as a Mav's fan, how should I be motivated to watch next year?

OR THE NEXT 3 YEARS!!!???

I don't like the idea of a super-dream team...

might as well skip straight to the Finals...

[Noob Saibot]

let the dynasty begin. lol @ people hoping the lakers have a chance. their only hope are their big men in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum. Those guys don't show up. The backcourt of Wade and LeBron will tear them apart.

[I am that I am]

because it makes it pointless for fans of other teams imo...

as a Mav's fan, how should I be motivated to watch next year?

OR THE NEXT 3 YEARS!!!???

I don't like the idea of a super-dream team...

might as well skip straight to the Finals...
Unless they get some knockdown shooters, Team Diva will have some trouble against the zone defense. Also Heat have no legit center. Jamal Magloire? YEH RIGHT. Bynum, Gasol and Odom would still go off and expose Bosh's crappy defense and shut him down just like they always do.

You're giving up on your mavs already? No matter how you try to spin that, it just means you aren't a true ball fan or a true mavs fan.

You guys got Roddy Beuibois, and a huge advantage over Team Diva, IE your guys have a season under their belt playing together already.

[I am that I am]

let the dynasty begin. lol @ people hoping the lakers have a chance. their only hope are their big men in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum. Those guys don't show up. The backcourt of Wade and LeBron will tear them apart.
Why the hell wouldn't Pau, Odom and Bynum show up vs Bosh? They always show up against Boshy, and always destroy him.

[-playmaker-]

Unless they get some knockdown shooters, Team Diva will have some trouble against the zone defense. Also Heat have no legit center. Jamal Magloire? YEH RIGHT. Bynum, Gasol and Odom would still go off and expose Bosh's crappy defense and shut him down just like they always do.

You're giving up on your mavs already? No matter how you try to spin that, it just means you aren't a true ball fan or a true mavs fan.

You guys got Roddy Beuibois, and a huge advantage over Team Diva, IE your guys have a season under their belt playing together already.
I have watched the Mavs go to the post season for the last 10 f*ckin years in a row, and lose...

I will ALWAYS be a Mav's fan...but this is too much, it is extremely unrealistic to think that they have a shot next year...you HAVE to agree with that

in fact, hopefully tomorrow I will remember to look up what the 2011 Finals Vegas odds are...that should be interesting...Mavs are probably like 1/50 odds or something now...

I am going into next year fully expecting a Lakers/Heat Finals...

[Gundress]

I have watched the Mavs go to the post season for the last 10 f*ckin years in a row, and lose...

I will ALWAYS be a Mav's fan...but this is too much, it is extremely unrealistic to think that they have a shot next year...you HAVE to agree with that

in fact, hopefully tomorrow I will remember to look up what the 2011 Finals Vegas odds are...that should be interesting...Mavs are probably like 1/50 odds or something now...

I am going into next year fully expecting a Lakers/Heat Finals...


What if Celtics still beat the Heat? Why many people still doubt about Celtics? :confusedshrug:

[-playmaker-]

but getting to the finals isn't something to be dreaming of? i dont see how the mavs could get past the lakers in the next 3 or 4 years anyway so how does this change anything? this is assuming the heat are as good as you think they will be.
true...

even if Bron had gone to another team I would have had little hope for my Mavs...

although I will say that at least there could be a small chance of them getting past the Lakers next year...


I'll say this, if the Mavs get to the Finals next year AND beat the Heat???...I will die of multiple orgasms...:lol

that would be the greatest sports dream come true possible...

[-playmaker-]

1. Los Angeles Lakers +300 (3/1)
2. Orlando Magic +400
3. Cleveland Cavaliers +500
4. Boston Celtics +1000
5. Dallas Mavericks +1000
6. Denver Nuggets +1100
7. Utah Jazz +1800
8. OKC Thunder +2200
9. Chicago Bulls +2500
10. NY Knicks +2800


^^^ Vegas odds before free agency craze


wonder what they will be tomorrow...

that would be what you win on $100....so like Mavs were 10/1 odds...

[Gundress]

true...

even if Bron had gone to another team I would have had little hope for my Mavs...

although I will say that at least there could be a small chance of them getting past the Lakers next year...


I'll say this, if the Mavs get to the Finals next year AND beat the Heat???...I will die of multiple orgasms...:lol

that would be the greatest sports dream come true possible...


:roll: :roll:

[Lebron Bryant]

Root against them just like people do to your Cowboys playmaker.

[-playmaker-]

Root against them just like people do to your Cowboys.
that's a givin

hope Kobe destroys them...and makes them look like clowns

[Hawker]

true...

even if Bron had gone to another team I would have had little hope for my Mavs...

although I will say that at least there could be a small chance of them getting past the Lakers next year...


I'll say this, if the Mavs get to the Finals next year AND beat the Heat???...I will die of multiple orgasms...:lol

that would be the greatest sports dream come true possible...

Ya, and I hope we win off a Dirk free throw on a phantom foul on Dwyane Wade.

And then watch all the Heat fans complain. That would be hilarious. That would be the sweetest karma ever.

[SALFORD-RED]

1. Los Angeles Lakers +300 (3/1)
2. Orlando Magic +400
3. Cleveland Cavaliers +500
4. Boston Celtics +1000
5. Dallas Mavericks +1000
6. Denver Nuggets +1100
7. Utah Jazz +1800
8. OKC Thunder +2200
9. Chicago Bulls +2500
10. NY Knicks +2800


^^^ Vegas odds before free agency craze


wonder what they will be tomorrow...

that would be what you win on $100....so like Mavs were 10/1 odds...

If you had stacked money on the Heat yesterday you would get the odds that were quoted at the time that the bet was placed, correct?

[SALFORD-RED]

What does this do to Lebron's reputation in Cleveland.

Will he be hated?
Will people understand/not hold it against him?

[Hawker]

What does this do to Lebron's reputation in Cleveland.

Will he be hated?
Will people understand/not hold it against him?

Hated by the fans but I don't hold it against Lebron.

[Jailblazers7]

the heat are by no means and automatic championship winner or dynasty. They still don't have a full team and still have weaknesses. They need floor spacing to open up the game for their stars. Maybe wade and/or lebron will show big improvements in their three point shooting who knows. There are still a ton of variables left to play out but it has already become a really interesting situation.

[-playmaker-]

If you had stacked money on the Heat yesterday you would get the odds that were quoted at the time that the bet was placed, correct?
that is correct

although Vegas is FAST, because the odds are based on the gamblers themsleves...

so as soon as ESPN released rumors about the Heat, they odds would have started changing right away...

actually, I am sure the odds were already low for the Heat with just Wade and Bosh...

so the best yo ucould have gotten was before Wade and Bosh signed...Heat were probably like in the 50/1 range...

now I bet it is like 1/1

[InspiredLebowski]

This shit is gross.

[I am that I am]

I have watched the Mavs go to the post season for the last 10 f*ckin years in a row, and lose...

I will ALWAYS be a Mav's fan...but this is too much, it is extremely unrealistic to think that they have a shot next year...you HAVE to agree with that

in fact, hopefully tomorrow I will remember to look up what the 2011 Finals Vegas odds are...that should be interesting...Mavs are probably like 1/50 odds or something now...

I am going into next year fully expecting a Lakers/Heat Finals...
So you will stop watching the NBA because your team aren't the odds on favorites for a title?

LOOK AT REALITY. The Jazz and Suns have lost their starting PFs. The Balace of power is shifting to the East. It will be easier to come out of the west than it has been in years. Roddy played amazing in the playoffs and will be given the spotlight. The mavs have a ton of cap space to sign some great role players on the market, such as JJ Reddick. Haywood is great.

The Thunder, Lakers, Nuggets, Mavs all have a good chance to get out of the west, especially with the Suns and Jazz now getting worse, if the Mavs get a high enough seed and the Lakers get knocked out early, perhaps by the thunder, Mavs have a great shot at getting to the finals. Even if you match up with the Lakers you have a great shot vs us, Mavs and Dirk always play the lakers incredibly tough

Hell I hate the ****ing mavs and I have more faith in them than you do.

I mean imagine if Carlisle wasn't an idiot and instead of playing Barea vs the Spurs he had played Roddy. You guys probably would have won that series! Give Roddy a bigger role on the team, and a year of experience, make sure to resign Caron-and yes your team is ****ing dangerous.

[-playmaker-]

So you will stop watching the NBA because your team aren't the odds on favorites for a title?

LOOK AT REALITY. The Jazz and Suns have lost their starting PFs. The Balace of power is shifting to the East. It will be easier to come out of the west than it has been in years. Roddy played amazing in the playoffs and will be given the spotlight. The mavs have a ton of cap space to sign some great role players on the market, such as JJ Reddick. Dampier sucks but maybe you can get a decent center.

The Thunder, Lakers, Nuggets, Mavs all have a good chance to get out of the west, especially with the Suns and Jazz now getting worse, if the Mavs get a high enough seed and the Lakers get knocked out early, perhaps by the thunder, Mavs have a great shot at getting to the finals.

Hell I hate the ****ing mavs and I have more faith in them than you do.

I mean imagine if Carlisle wasn't an idiot and instead of playing Barea vs the Spurs he had played Roddy. You guys probably would have won that series!
dude being a Mavs fan is probably the most extreme situation in the entire NBA...winning that series would have been nice, but mehh...

we get our hopes up EVERY YEAR...for the past decade...and are constantly let down...

for Mav's fans in particular, I think it is the hardest for us to get amped for the NBA next year, esp the regular season...it has gotten to the point where the regular season is pointless to us...just wait to see us fail in the playoffs...AGAIN

[I am that I am]

What does this do to Lebron's reputation in Cleveland.

Will he be hated?
Will people understand/not hold it against him?
dude, they are burning his jersey on national television, cleveland radio is blowing up with mad butthurt fans personally insulting Lebron for things such as his lack of a father.

It is actually pretty amusing XD

[-playmaker-]

But why? I understand you not liking the idea of a "super team", but why do you (and now so many others) seem to have a personal vendetta against them? I mean, you come off like Lebron kicked your puppy or something.
Mavs fans view the Heat and Wade as though they stole our ring from us...

like literally the refs took it away...it was OURS

that franchise is viewed by Mavs fans kinda like...they kicked our puppy

[-playmaker-]

actually the Cavs have to be the least amped now...

how are they gonna sell tickets...wow

[I am that I am]

dude being a Mavs fan is probably the most extreme situation in the entire NBA...winning that series would have been nice, but mehh...

we get our hopes up EVERY YEAR...for the past decade...and are constantly let down...

for Mav's fans in particular, I think it is the hardest for us to get amped for the NBA next year, esp the regular season...it has gotten to the point where the regular season is pointless to us...just wait to see us fail in the playoffs...AGAIN
I doubt true Mavs fans feel like that, you just aren't a good Mavericks fan. Keep your team together, stay healthy, Roddy keeps up his great play improves his shot which is already amazing for a rookie, and you guys have as good a shot to get out of the west as any team.

Honestly the mavs are a great franchise, imagine how fans of crap teams like the Grizzlies or Pacers must feel, shit every single year for 10+years, and you are whining like you mavs fans have it hard? Just gtfo if you're going to keep whining and complaining like a premenstrual 12 year old french girl.

[I am that I am]

Mavs fans view the Heat and Wade as though they stole our ring from us...

like literally the refs took it away...it was OURS

that franchise is viewed by Mavs fans kinda like...they kicked our puppy
Guess what, for the rematch you got the 6'10 wingspan roddy beabois to shut down D-whistle, NOW STOP BITCHING AND MOANING LIKE A BLUBBERING VAG!

[Jackass18]

the Heat fans in that bar were celebrating just like they had won the 3 straight titles already...

how can ANYONE like this but Heat fans?

I'm not a Heat fan, but I like it. I like it a billion times more than the Lakers winning it again. Why in the hell would ANYONE but Laker fans chose to root for the Lakers to win it again?

[Noob Saibot]

Why the hell wouldn't Pau, Odom and Bynum show up vs Bosh? They always show up against Boshy, and always destroy him.

Hmmm...often times Odom and Bynum don't get into rhythm because they don't get the ball to score enough thanks to the LA guards. Gasol is good enough to earn buckets more consistely, him versus Bosh will cancel each other out. So how often will Bynum and Odom get the ball is the key or Gasol dominates Bosh.

[-playmaker-]

Guess what, for the rematch you got the 6'10 wingspan roddy beabois to shut down D-whistle, NOW STOP BITCHING AND MOANING LIKE A BLUBBERING VAG!
hey dude I am far from the only one b*tching about this...


if I was a fan of the Grizz or Pacers then the excitment of the post season would still be there at least...that has lost Mav's fans, we have gotten enough of that...

honestly though I bet think the type of franchises you listed are struggling to stay alive...they don't have huge fan bases cause they suck...

[-playmaker-]

I'm not a Heat fan, but I like it. I like it a billion times more than the Lakers winning it again. Why in the hell would ANYONE but Laker fans chose to root for the Lakers to win it again?
if you are a Mav's fan...:confusedshrug:

I have explained why Dallas fans would rather see the Lakers win again...should be obvious

or Cavs fans...

or fans of any other team...screw a super-team

[Gundress]

Braylon Edwards talked shit to LeBron.......Braylon Edwards>>>>.Lebron James.

[Rizko]

The Mavs can get better, they can use Dampiers non-guaranteed contract to bring in a good player to help complement the team.

[-playmaker-]

Jesus Christ, the owner of the Cavs just absolutely RIPPED Lebron. It was vicious.
link?


check this:

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/14138

[Jailblazers7]

Jesus Christ, the owner of the Cavs just absolutely RIPPED Lebron. It was vicious.

I'm not watching any coverage at all right now. I want someone to post this clip when they can.

nvm thank you

[Jackass18]

or fans of any other team...screw a super-team

Why would fans of any other team root for the most hated team in the NBA?

A super team like that makes the regular season more exciting whether you're rooting against that team, for it, or just want to see what happens.

[Jackass18]

Braylon Edwards>>>>.Lebron James.

In what, homosexuality?

[-playmaker-]

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.


If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

wow at those...

good for him for saying it though...

[Jackass18]

Jesus Christ, the owner of the Cavs just absolutely RIPPED Lebron. It was vicious.

He sounds awfully butthurt that the Cavs are going to go back to being irrelevant again.

[-playmaker-]

Why would fans of any other team root for the most hated team in the NBA?

A super team like that makes the regular season more exciting whether you're rooting against that team, for it, or just want to see what happens.
well you don't have to actually root for the Lakers...I am just assuming the Lakers meet them in the Finals...


and what do you mean a super team makes it more exciting?


do you wish Howard and Kobe and CP3 all joined the Heat also?

[Hawker]

Loyalty is now functionally extinct in NBA.

At least he didn't ***** out when he was traded to Cleveland like some people that get drafted (I will only play for LA. I will only play for this team etc.).

[Jailblazers7]

Jesus Christ, the owner of the Cavs just absolutely RIPPED Lebron. It was vicious.

While that was vicious, I don't agree with it.

I agree about the narcissistic part but that's about it.

"Cowardly betrayal", "disloyal", etc.

He's acting like it was their God given right to have Lebron on the team and he suddenly turned into Satan and screwed them. Lebron decided to join another team just like every other NBA FA decides to either stay or go. The fact that Lebron thinks he has a better chance somewhere else is just a professional decision on his part.

[SALFORD-RED]

IMO you can respect Lebron's decision to go to Miami/leave Cleveland.

But the circus theatrical way he did it is messed up as far as people from Ohio should be concerned.

If a Man U player left in this fashion, a "hometown hero" no less, people would be hungry for blood.

[I am that I am]

Hmmm...often times Odom and Bynum don't get into rhythm because they don't get the ball to score enough thanks to the LA guards. Gasol is good enough to earn buckets more consistely, him versus Bosh will cancel each other out. So how often will Bynum and Odom get the ball is the key or Gasol dominates Bosh.
Plenty of times as long ass Phil is still coaching and Team Diva doesn't get a beast like Yao Ming who can protect the paint.

Zone defense and pound it in the paint will be the game plan against the Heat. The Larry Brown lead bobcats featuring Lebron's worst enemy Gerald Wallace should also do well vs the Heat, even potential to upset them in the playoffs if it goes 1 vs 8 seed.

[SALFORD-RED]

and what do you mean a super team makes it more exciting?


There seems to be a lot more buzz when you get a stacked roster on one team, I'm thinking in terms here of the 2003/04 Lakers and the 2007/08 Celtics.

[I am that I am]

hey dude I am far from the only one b*tching about this...


if I was a fan of the Grizz or Pacers then the excitment of the post season would still be there at least...that has lost Mav's fans, we have gotten enough of that...

honestly though I bet think the type of franchises you listed are struggling to stay alive...they don't have huge fan bases cause they suck...
what a joke man. You sound like a spoiled baby. "BOOO HOO WE ALWAYS HAVE A CONTENDER INFRONT OF US AND ARE ALWAYS A HIGH SEED IN THE PLAYOFFS, OUR OWNER ALWAYS DOES HIS BEST TO SURROUND DIRK WITH ALL STARS, RODDY BEAUBOIS IS A FUTURE STAR WE GOT LATE IN THE DRAFT WHILE LOTTERY PICKS ARE FAILING HARD, BOO HOO POOR US IT'S HARD BEING A MAVS FAN :( "

Just please, stop watching basketball, stop being a mavs fan, follow through with the first post of this thread, for the sake of EVERYONE

[SALFORD-RED]

Plenty of times as long ass Phil is still coaching and Team Diva doesn't get a beast like Yao Ming who can protect the paint.

Zone defense and pound it in the paint will be the game plan against the Heat. The Larry Brown lead bobcats featuring Lebron's worst enemy Gerald Wallace should also do well vs the Heat, even potential to upset them in the playoffs if it goes 1 vs 8 seed.


What sort of supporting talent can they put around the big 3?

[I am that I am]

What sort of supporting talent can they put around the big 3?
I have no idea what kind of center they could possibly get who'd be decent, but depending if guys want to take less money to try winning a ring they could get guys like JJ Reddick, T-Mac, even AI lol, to come off the bench, which would be epic, especially if T-mac and AI both come, the team would implode like a black hole, however what is more likely is they just sign some good shooters. I don't know enough about the role player free agents to comment accurately.

The only good player the Heat had was Udonis Haslem and I really don't think he could cope with playing center.

If they start Bosh at center and Udonis and PF the Diva team would just get absolutely destroyed in the interior.

[Jailblazers7]

What sort of supporting talent can they put around the big 3?

They really don't need that much talent considering who the big 3 are. They could use a shooter to space the floor and a big body to play d, get some board, and generally take up space alongside Bosh. They obviously need some guys off the bench but they have a unique situation.

[PowerGlove]

I have no idea what kind of center they could possibly get who'd be decent, but depending if guys want to take less money to try winning a ring they could get guys like JJ Reddick, T-Mac, even AI lol, to come off the bench, which would be epic, especially if T-mac and AI both come, the team would implode like a black hole, however what is more likely is they just sign some good shooters. I don't know enough about the role player free agents to comment accurately.

The only good player the Heat had was Udonis Haslem and I really don't think he could cope with playing center.

If they start Bosh at center and Udonis and PF the Diva team would just get absolutely destroyed in the interior.

That doesnt even make any sense.

[-playmaker-]

what a joke man. You sound like a spoiled baby. "BOOO HOO WE ALWAYS HAVE A CONTENDER INFRONT OF US AND ARE ALWAYS A HIGH SEED IN THE PLAYOFFS, OUR OWNER ALWAYS DOES HIS BEST TO SURROUND DIRK WITH ALL STARS, RODDY BEAUBOIS IS A FUTURE STAR WE GOT LATE IN THE DRAFT WHILE LOTTERY PICKS ARE FAILING HARD, BOO HOO POOR US IT'S HARD BEING A MAVS FAN :( "

Just please, stop watching basketball, stop being a mavs fan, follow through with the first post of this thread, for the sake of EVERYONE
okay...I will

:ohwell:

I'll still be a Mavs fan but I am not suddenly gonna be happy because you are trying to force it on me...

[I am that I am]

That doesnt even make any sense.
It does. I said that they can sign guys like AI or T-Mac for the bench. Or even sign both.

And if they do, then the team would destroy itself with too many massive egos that Spoelstra won't be able to handle.

[I am that I am]

okay...I will


I'll still be a Mavs fan but I am not suddenly gonna be happy because you are trying to force it on me...



I'm just letting you know how well you mavs fans have it and show you the reality of the mavs chances of getting a title, but if you want to give up on your team go ahead, they don't need fake fans like yourself, and this board doesn't either, fake fans who quit on their team are to me the most disgusting people in the world. No hatred at yourself, those are just my beliefs about fake fans.

[-playmaker-]

wow they just showed some Cavs female fan sobbing...

makes him look like so much more of a dick...lol

[Gundress]

Do you guys seen the lady upset and crying that she bought the whole season ticket for Lebron? She thought Lebron would be back to Cavs but wrong. She's crying....:oldlol: ...on ESPN.

[I am that I am]

Do you guys seen the lady upset and crying that she bought the whole season ticket for Lebron? She thought Lebron would be back to Cavs but wrong. She's crying....:oldlol: ...on ESPN.
She's crying because she has to watch a season of Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams leading her team to 33 wins.

[-playmaker-]

I'm just letting you know how well you mavs fans have it and show you the reality of the mavs chances of getting a title, but if you want to give up on your team go ahead, they don't need fake fans like yourself, and this board doesn't either, fake fans who quit on their team are to me the most disgusting people in the world. No hatred at yourself, those are just my beliefs about fake fans.
this is MUCH more about just hating the f*ckin Heat than giving up on my team...

the Heat are the LAST team in the world that I wanted to see Bron go to...

well, maybe the Lakers, if Bron went to the Lakers then just f*ck the world...lol

but after the Lakers, the Heat...


stop with the stupid ass "fake fan" bull shit who the f*ck are you Mark Cuban???...it seems like you are the one crying like a little b*tch over me...f*ck off with that shit already kid...I am a season ticket holder for f*ck's sake...

[-playmaker-]

court side at that!

[PowerGlove]

It does. I said that they can sign guys like AI or T-Mac for the bench. Or even sign both.

And if they do, then the team would destroy itself with too many massive egos that Spoelstra won't be able to handle.
Seriously? They are going to sign onto the most talented team they have ever been on and let what ego get in the way? T-mac is depressed watching tapes of himself from 2002 and AI is begging for a job. I would honestly be surprised if they did something to upset the team's chemistry.

[Jailblazers7]

wow they just showed some Cavs female fan sobbing...

makes him look like so much more of a dick...lol

I don't think it makes him look like a dick. More like the lady just embarrassed herself.

[Gundress]

I don't think it makes him look like a dick. More like the lady just embarrassed herself.


I have to agree with that.

[I am that I am]

Seriously? They are going to sign onto the most talented team they have ever been on and let what ego get in the way? T-mac is depressed watching tapes of himself from 2002 and AI is begging for a job. I would honestly be surprised if they did something to upset the team's chemistry.
After seeing what AI did to Detroit and the Grizzlies I wouldn't be surprised by anything he does. T-mac however, I honestly believe he just doesn't care so much at the age of 30 and just wants a ring and would willingly sacrifice his game.

But AI-I have watched him kill 2 teams in 2 years with my own eyes, this man has alot of power to cause alot of chaos.

[PowerGlove]

After seeing what AI did to Detroit and the Grizzlies I wouldn't be surprised by anything he does. T-mac however, I honestly believe he just doesn't care so much at the age of 30 and just wants a ring and would willingly sacrifice his game.

But AI-I have watched him kill 2 teams in 2 years with my own eyes, this man has alot of power to cause alot of chaos.

Kill what two teams?:oldlol: Were the pistons going somewhere? :oldlol:

Dude, he acted like a dumbass in memphis and cleaned it up in philly. nothing more to say. he left due to his daughter's illness and now he's back. i've witness other players kill teams but they are doing just fine now. winning cures all.

[Jailblazers7]

After seeing what AI did to Detroit and the Grizzlies I wouldn't be surprised by anything he does. T-mac however, I honestly believe he just doesn't care so much at the age of 30 and just wants a ring and would willingly sacrifice his game.

But AI-I have watched him kill 2 teams in 2 years with my own eyes, this man has alot of power to cause alot of chaos.

I love AI but he doesn't help their problem with floor spacing at all not to mention his attitude/off the court issues. He's just another guy that needs the ball to operate. No chance he is even considered as a signing.

Reggie Miller will come out of retirement, take a spot being the 3 point line, and jack up 3's all day. jk but that would be awesome.

[I am that I am]

Kill what two teams?:oldlol: Were the pistons going somewhere? :oldlol:

Dude, he acted like a dumbass in memphis and cleaned it up in philly. nothing more to say. he left due to his daughter's illness and now he's back. i've witness other players kill teams but they are doing just fine now. winning cures all.
Winning cures everything except the Canswer

Are you really that oblivious to all the ridiculous quotes AI was making in Detroit?

He hasn't proven anything at Philly, he only played like 14 games there before leaving, that is about the same amount of time he was at Detroit before he started bitching to the media and saying he should start over stuckey.

[PowerGlove]

All you do is exaggerate and pull stuff out of your ass.:oldlol:

He played 25 games in philly, not"like 14".

Anyways, I think the heat should sign Raja Bell,Carlos Arroyo(again) and Joel Anthony for starters. Maybe they can get them for the min.

How much salary cap room do they have? any estimations?

[Juges8932]

I'm glad LeBron chose Miami. Good job to him. Doing what makes him happy is the right move for him. The Cleveland fans burning his jersey and shit is so childish and immature. I understand, they're upset. I would be too if I were a Cavs fan, but not at LeBron, but at losing LeBron. Now their team will just fade back into irrelevance until the next fluke comes along (Draft pick or big name going there for a big contract). LeBron owed Cleveland absolutely nothing. He gave 7 long, hard years and came up empty. They weren't the team that could put him in the best position to win. Not saying Miami is the best choice for that necessarily, because Chicago would have been a great pick with those regards, but Miami was a good choice too.

I don't understand the his legacy is forever tarnished and he's a joke. That's just stupid to me. Every great has had another all-time great playing alongside of them. He has done all of the individual stuff. He doesn't have anything left to prove in those regards. Championships are a team thing, he knows that, and so he went with what he felt was the best situation to make that happen. "Oh, Bird and Magic would never have teamed up blah blah blah." Ok, they didn't like each other, so of course they wouldn't. These three are friends, get along great, and I think can complement each other well. I think it shows a lot of maturity and his true colors (in a different way than Dan Gilbert going off like a 13 year-old girl on her period just getting dumped by the captain of the football team), he is going to take less money and go to another alpha's team, to build a new team together with Bosh, in order to win championships. How is that not admirable? It shows he does love the game and wants to win, even if that means giving up having the entire spotlight and everything being about him.

I started disliking him last season, thinking he was all about money and didn't care about winning (though prior, I liked him a lot), but this clearly shows me differently. I like him even more now than before, probably. We'll have to actually see it work in action first, but I have no doubt that they can make it work considering. Anyways, I think Cavs' fans are being pretty ridiculous towards him. So he should have signed away the next 6 years of his life to an organization that wouldn't put him in a position to be successful and win just to make a bunch of (ungrateful) people happy other than himself? Self-righteousness at its finest. You could tell it wasn't an easy decision for him. In the interview pre and post, he handled himself well and you could tell he was fighting the emotions/tears when the Cavs/Cleveland were brought up. I felt that was definitely genuine.

[PowerGlove]

If I could organize my thoughts like Juges, I would post essays in every thread.

[Shamunoz]

i agree. almost every championship team has multiple stars. he chose to go play with his friends and try to win championships. he gave the cavs 7 good years, made them relevant, he decided to do something else. he's 25 years old, he's ready to get out of Ohio for a while, good for him

[pete's montreux]

Jesus Christ Juges.

[Jackass18]

do you wish Howard and Kobe and CP3 all joined the Heat also?

I hate Kobe. I'd rather hear about him getting raped by a sweaty 800-pound Turkish dentist.

[plowking]

I'm joining the Heat bandwagon!!!

Oh wait... I already support them.

Seriously though, I don't know what to think. I'm really glad that we have a great team, and one that will be extremely exciting to watch. Saying that though, I really don't like the thought of being the most hated franchise in the NBA, or having the most bandwagon fans. There will be an insane number of d*ckheads on here that will make Heat fans look bad, and all of us, even the good posters will get grouped with them...
15 odd years ago, I chose the Heat because they had some cool players I liked and because they weren't the talk of the whole country. Just seems weird to support probably the most popular team (or second, whatever), along with being the most hated team in the league.

[plowking]

Oh, and I'm also dreading our first loss of the season... There's going to be more posts on this than stripes on zebras in Africa and Adidas sneakers combined.

[Juges8932]

I'm joining the Heat bandwagon!!!

Oh wait... I already support them.

Seriously though, I don't know what to think. I'm really glad that we have a great team, and one that will be extremely exciting to watch. Saying that though, I really don't like the thought of being the most hated franchise in the NBA, or having the most bandwagon fans. There will be an insane number of d*ckheads on here that will make Heat fans look bad, and all of us, even the good posters will get grouped with them...
15 odd years ago, I chose the Heat because they had some cool players I liked and because they weren't the talk of the whole country. Just seems weird to support probably the most popular team (or second, whatever), along with being the most hated team in the league.

Join the ****ing club. <--------Laker fan, which means that no matter how many bandwagon fans the Heat get, you will never be as bad as the dreaded Kobe homers and Faker fans everywhere. In the end, you have to support your team and just don't give a **** about some clowns saying you are a bandwagon fan or making massive generalizations about a fan-base.

Wade is my second-favorite player (Very easily), so sadly, I will be a bandwagon fan as well since I support the team he is playing for, even though I supported him through his injuries and when the Heat were anything but good.

I'd like to think I have established myself as an objective poster who can split-off from the Kobe-homer/Faker-fan bundle-pack stigma that gets planted on just about any Laker fan. So, for you, it shouldn't be a problem. People know you are a Heat/Wade fan around here. Regardless, I don't think it will be near the level of Lakers/Kobe. At least I hope not, otherwise, ISH may just become unbearable with an unimaginably higher-level of stupidity than previously thought.

[plowking]

You bring up some good points. Just got to stick to the team and hope they do well.
I've got to say though, I'm so excited about having Bosh and Lebron for 5 years, particularly when Wade gets older.

[Cannonball]

this is all a bad nightmare.

[Juges8932]

You bring up some good points. Just got to stick to the team and hope they do well.
I've got to say though, I'm so excited about having Bosh and Lebron for 5 years, particularly when Wade gets older.

No kidding. I am excited. I always rooted for Wade and the Heat as long as they weren't playing Lake Show, but knowing they would never actually be a legitimate threat (the last 3 years) was disappointing (Though the Lakers won 2/3, so I guess it didn't matter that much, haha). It was just like deja vu with Kobe. 3 years of physical prime being wasted with an inadequate complementary cast. But, I am happy to see Wade get his supporting cast like Kobe did. If the Lakers don't win, at least the Heat will have a great chance of doing it. Wade, Bron, and Bosh deserve the chance. They gave a lot to their teams over the years and it just didn't work. But yeah, point is: LBJ/Wade/Bosh is very exciting and I can't wait to go watch games lol (I live in Florida, so I will be making it to as many games as I can).

[I am that I am]

I just hope that Lebron doesn't start an ego war and just accepts the fact that he is on Wade's team and Wade is the main man, like KG did when he went to the celtics.

But from his statement he made about no player taking a diminished role and all of them having their own spotlight, "just a little less" I really fear that Lebron will just march in there and expect the Cleveland treatment. He needs to start saying stuff like "this is wade's team" even if he doesn't believe it, just for PR's sake, even in the press conference, his ego didn't allow him to say it was wade's team, that wade should take the last shot, that Lebron should sacrifice his stats for the good of the team, or anything like that.

Trouble could be a brewing, Wade might have been better off with just Bosh and role players

[Timmy D for MVP]

So my buddies and I were bowling the other day and we decided to do a team competition but only 9 people showed up. So we split teams and I gave them the extra player so it was our 4 to their 5.

My friend looks at me and says: "You sure you want us to have the extra guy?"

And I said: "Yeah. We're clearing cap space so we can sign Lebron."

Okay just wanted to get that out of my system. Continue.:D

[plowking]

I doubt Lebron cares that much, if he's sacrificing this much already. Sure he'd want to be the leader, though I think it will be a shared thing.
You can't honestly call this just Wade's team any more... If Lebron joined Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, it would be the same thing. It's a joint venture.

[Jasi]

I'm quite disappointed by LeBron's ego.

He set up the most egocentric show ever, just to say to the world "i'm not self-confident enough to try and win without another superstar and a half".

[Kebab Stall]

I'm still shocked at the fact that an entire TV show had to be made for this shit. F*cking ridiculous.

Anyway, this is either going to be the end for every other team, meaning no Championships for the rest of league or this is going to be the end of the Heat, with the possibility of heads clashing from the start and trades being made either by Febuary or by next Febuary to seperate those ridiculously massive egos. Either way, this is not going to end well.

That being said.....LET'S GO GRIZZLIES!

[RedBlackAttack]

James is officially dead to me... If you haven't been following my posts in the main forum.

[-playmaker-]

Don't worry, he will not go to Miami. You can take my word for it. It's not necessary to rant. Especially right now.
your mind SUCKS

[Jasi]

- Lebron sacrificed money
- Lebron sacrificed personal accolades
- Lebron sacrificed his own legacy
- Lebron sacrificed all the records he would have likely broke(well, some of them)
- Lebron sacrificed being THE face of his franchise

All this for the sake of winning. Sure, he could have handled the situation better, but people need to stop vilifying him as if he's Ron Artest or something.

And sacrificing all that for the sake of winning... should be something to praise?

[Kobe4life]

And sacrificing all that for the sake of winning... should be something to praise?

praise him for what he does on the court.

[Jasi]

Yes.

I disagree. Winning is not a value per se. It becomes one when you don't take the easy way to do it.

And yes, I'll still admire his talent regardless, but personality-wise, no.

[Jasi]

Why not take the path of least resistance? It's logical. And think about it from Lebron's point of view. You're going to be playing in a warm, sub-tropical, great city, with good friends, and a chance to dominate the NBA? That would sound pretty good to me.

It does also to me, it sounds good, convenient and obvious.

I just thought he had a better opinion of himself. Let me put it this way: he's basically assuming that he's a Kevin Garnett caliber player.
I know he is not (he is better than KG), but I wish he knew it also.

[RedBlackAttack]

Oh yeah... LeBron sacrificed...

He sacrificed having to actually fight for a title with other (possibly more talented) teams and earning his championship the way that greats before him have done (and some failed to do) in order to make an all-star team in Miami.

What a sacrifice. He is a true competitor.

[InspiredLebowski]

This whole thing seems to have created a gaping chasm with old and new school, for lack of better phrases, on either side. The new school seems to be do whatever's best for you, the individual player, to win a title. The old seems to be do whatever's best for your team to win the title. I'm firmly planted on the old school side I guess.

I just don't get how a professional athlete wants to join up with some superteam instead of lead his own team to the title. What happened "to be the best you gotta beat the best?" This isn't even taking into account Cleveland being his hometown and the past sports history of the city. I'm sure a lot of us played high school ball. A lot of you probably had a school in your conference/area that was always the team to beat, I know we did. Did any of you ever once consider "y'know, I could transfer and lift that semi-state trophy."

Also, I just don't think Miami deserves it. New York, much as I hate em, Chicago, fine. But not Miami.

[Lamar Doom]

sorry RBA, that's a soul crusher.

[knobs]

jeebus, i didn't think the move would get this much backlash. opportunities like this don't happen very often - the last time might have been when kidd and duncan almost joined forced with mac in orlando (question is, what makes florida so enticing for these superstar tripods). this is exciting. lebron + wade + bosh = an entire league out to nip them in the butt. and to reiterate, this isn't a surefire 70 win team at all. they've just got a shit ton of front end talent and two incredible creators when they have the ball.

i like it. straighten out those panties rba, this sort of 'backstabbing' happens all the time. ;)

[Lamar Doom]

Hitler Reacts to LBJ's Decision (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1DjJtp2wF4) (that video really works in so many situations)

"smells like a KKK rally" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTgNlIEY_fw#t=04m24s)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2690/jimhalpert2.jpg

[plowking]

Also, I just don't think Miami deserves it. New York, much as I hate em, Chicago, fine. But not Miami.

New York and Chicago somehow do, but we don't? Explain the logic, I'm dying to hear it.

We sacrificed and risked the most cap space out of any team. Why did Chicago deserve him, or NY for that matter?

[jamal99]

I understand his willingness to win and why he wants to play in city like Miami. I support him from that point of view.

I don't like how he choose easy way, to play with two more stars. Big players in past didn't really do that kind of thing...


I'm quite torn between approving or disapproving his act. But none of us will ever be in that kind of situation so we better don't judge him...

[Lebowsky]

I for one am done with the NBA.

[KeylessEntry]

if my friends try to pick the miami heat on 2k11 i will slap them

[Jailblazers7]

if my friends try to pick the miami heat on 2k11 i will slap them

This is the type of team I would forcibly trade for on a video game and then quit playing the season/franchise because its not even fun.

[boozehound]

New York and Chicago somehow do, but we don't? Explain the logic, I'm dying to hear it.

We sacrificed and risked the most cap space out of any team. Why did Chicago deserve him, or NY for that matter?
because you are a terrible basketball town?


FTR no city deserves anything

[bada bing]

reason people are upset about this is because of what they thought about Lebron. It seemed he was the 2nd coming of Jordan in the league. He was suppose to lead the cavs as its 'king'. Lebron was suppose to form his legacy and be a leader of a team. He was very close to achieving it all in Cleveland with the addition of one or two players. (Kobe was gasol away from an NBA championship). I am sure lebron would have done it.

it just seems there is no loyalty by Lebron. Both lebron and Bosh talked about their legacy and their leadership and how they wanted to be among the best. With a move like this it really puts everything into question.

I understand older guys like KG, Pierce and ray allen getting together at the end of their amazing career to win championships. But these guys are in their mid 20s and still in their prime. We wanted to see a wade vs. lebron comparison. We wanted to see epic playoff battles like Jordan and Kobe have had. These guys had teh potential to do it all but they just crapped all over the league, their fans and themselves.

Plus wade and Lebron are destined to be better than pierce and ray allen and even kg. these guys were on track to be NBA legends and to be put in the same category as jordan, wilt, magic and others. Them joining forces at such a young age in their prime is nonsense and a diss to all NBA fans around the world.

[boozehound]

so, does this mean Prime is done with ISH as well? or just the nba?

[plowking]

because you are a terrible basketball town?


FTR no city deserves anything

Eh, all season tickets gone.

So Chicago deserves something more because they like it more? Same applies to New York?

Great logic. Let's not give it to the team that worked the hardest and put themself in the best position. :rolleyes:

[PowerGlove]

I'm still waiting for the "if the Yankees get Cliff Lee, I might be done with the MLB" thread.

[boozehound]

Eh, all season tickets gone.

So Chicago deserves something more because they like it more? Same applies to New York?

Great logic. Let's not give it to the team that worked the hardest and put themself in the best position. :rolleyes:
all season tickets gone for the spectacle. Miami has the worst fanbase in the NBA imo. sure, that changes now. you will also notice I said no city deserves anything.

how did you "work the hardest"? GTFO of here with that shit.

[knobs]

it just seems there is no loyalty by Lebron.
this is nonsense. lebron wouldn't have been ostracized to this extent had he jetted to jersey or new york or chicago. you can choose to criticize his loyalty to the city of cleveland if you want, but he has been there for seven years and they have yet to even make a finals, let alone win one. whether he's to blame for underperforming or management is to blame for failing to surround him with talent or the fans are to blame for providing shiitty support is irrelevant. a superstar leaving his team after losing for that long isn't exactly rare, and while i think he could've continued to contend with cleveland for the foreseeable future, i'm not about to bring the house down on the guy for choosing another route. fact remains, using his 'lack of loyalty' to cleveland as reason to criticize is weak and hypocritical.

getting on his case for joining forces with two other superstars is more reasonable. i don't particularly mind it - its going to make for a pretty f*cking exciting season, especially because there are undoubtedly other teams in the league that will be able to challenge and even beat them. this isn't the dream team - these are two very similar and very incompatible superstar swingmen joining forces with an all star power forward, and surrounded by scrubs.

watching the cavs and heat go at it during the regular season was balls off the wall excitement and it sucks that we're losing out on this rivalry. they got to showcase their talents as leaders of their respective teams, and everybody loved seeing them with the ball in their hands. still, once the season starts and the heat prove to be far from invincible, fans will come around.

[nolebball]

Oh yeah... LeBron sacrificed...

He sacrificed having to actually fight for a title with other (possibly more talented) teams and earning his championship the way that greats before him have done (and some failed to do) in order to make an all-star team in Miami.

What a sacrifice. He is a true competitor.

What greats won it all without being joined with another great(s)/Hall of Famer(s)? Not many, if at all.

Since the merger, only 4 teams have won an NBA championship without having multiple All-Stars that same year (1977 Blazers, 1989 Pistons, 2003 Spurs, 2004 Pistons). But, of those 4 teams, ALL of them had players on their championship team that earned an All-Star selection within the next 1-2 years. It is simply FACT that you need another great player with you. Especially one that will show up in the playoffs.

Why should he wait until he's 31 or older, past his prime, to join a stacked team to win it (i.e. KG, Ray Allen, Drexler, and so on)? Why not join one in his prime, where he can make history?

People play professional sports to win games, not make fans happy.


Miami has the worst fanbase in the NBA imo.

14th in attendance, but ok.

[boozehound]

14th in attendance, but ok.
who cares. they are always late and quite. they suck as fans. worse than houston and thats saying a lot.

[PowerGlove]

who cares. they are always late and quite. they suck as fans. worse than houston and thats saying a lot.
not worse than atl.

[nolebball]

Another thing, this announcement was set up on what, Tuesday? LeBron made his final decision Thursday morning.... He didn't set up the announcement knowing where he'd go. This is of course assuming he told the truth.

[boozehound]

Another thing, this announcement was set up on what, Tuesday? LeBron made his final decision Thursday morning.... He didn't set up the announcement knowing where he'd go. This is of course assuming he told the truth.
that is complete and utter bullshit. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in New Mexico to sell you.

[boozehound]

not worse than atl.
maybe not. but they are/were definitely up there.

[nolebball]

that is complete and utter bullshit. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in New Mexico to sell you.

Explain to me what benefit he has for lying about it? That way Cleveland will hate him less? Oh wait....

[boozehound]

Explain to me what benefit he has for lying about it? That way Cleveland will hate him less? Oh wait....
because he doesnt want to make it seem like he strung cleveland (and all the other suitors along), despite the fact that he was planning to do this (if he could) for months. the # change, the hints from the ASG and even earlier, the heat dumping decent players to clear enough space for 3 maxes. it was all planned.

[I am that I am]

this is nonsense. lebron wouldn't have been ostracized to this extent had he jetted to jersey or new york or chicago. you can choose to criticize his loyalty to the city of cleveland if you want, but he has been there for seven years and they have yet to even make a finals, let alone win one. whether he's to blame for underperforming or management is to blame for failing to surround him with talent or the fans are to blame for providing shiitty support is irrelevant. a superstar leaving his team after losing for that long isn't exactly rare, and while i think he could've continued to contend with cleveland for the foreseeable future, i'm not about to bring the house down on the guy for choosing another route. fact remains, using his 'lack of loyalty' to cleveland as reason to criticize is weak and hypocritical.

getting on his case for joining forces with two other superstars is more reasonable. i don't particularly mind it - its going to make for a pretty f*cking exciting season, especially because there are undoubtedly other teams in the league that will be able to challenge and even beat them. this isn't the dream team - these are two very similar and very incompatible superstar swingmen joining forces with an all star power forward, and surrounded by scrubs.

watching the cavs and heat go at it during the regular season was balls off the wall excitement and it sucks that we're losing out on this rivalry. they got to showcase their talents as leaders of their respective teams, and everybody loved seeing them with the ball in their hands. still, once the season starts and the heat prove to be far from invincible, fans will come around.
did you forget about 2007 when Lebron made the finals with a much weaker team than he has now?

[pete's montreux]

Wow I started a thread on TA resigning with Boston and three minutes later It's 30 threads down the page. :oldlol:

[boozehound]

ha, I didnt even see it. and ive been in there all morning. good. hes a good fit on their bench.

[nolebball]

because he doesnt want to make it seem like he strung cleveland (and all the other suitors along), despite the fact that he was planning to do this (if he could) for months. the # change, the hints from the ASG and even earlier, the heat dumping decent players to clear enough space for 3 maxes. it was all planned.

Regardless of how planned it may have been, it doesn't mean it's definite. People are always capable of a change of heart, backing out, whatever. Look at Billy Donovan and the Magic, he had a change of heart AFTER he signed the contract. LeBron, Dwyane, and Chris could've been talking about this since they got drafted, it doesn't mean it will actually happen. It is literally against NBA rules for the Heat to have even be contacting LeBron until July 1st. What free agents HAVEN'T taken the advantage of weighing all of their options? He didn't behave any differently from any other free agent in the history of the NBA, besides hosting a televised decision.

[knobs]

did you forget about 2007 when Lebron made the finals with a much weaker team than he has now?
momentarily, but the league is way more concentrated than it was when the spurs won anyway. and the cavs got annihilated.

[Snoop_Cat]

NY/Chicago > Miami in every way except for scantily clad women, number of gay men and illegal immigrants.
Basketball and social wise.

[I am that I am]

NY/Chicago > Miami in every way except for scantily clad women, number of gay men and illegal immigrants.
Basketball and social wise.
Aren't taxes in florida much lower than in other states like NYC and Illinois? I know that's why so many NBA stars live in Florida. So Lebron might be "taking $30 million less to go to Miami" but he will save a hell of a lot on not paying as much tax down there than he would anywhere else.

[Jailblazers7]

Aren't taxes in florida much lower than in other states like NYC and Illinois? I know that's why so many NBA stars live in Florida. So Lebron might be "taking $30 million less to go to Miami" but he will save a hell of a lot on not paying as much tax down there than he would anywhere else.

Also, he will make up for that $30 mill quickly in new jersey sales, sneakers, sponsors, etc.

[boozehound]

Aren't taxes in florida much lower than in other states like NYC and Illinois? I know that's why so many NBA stars live in Florida. So Lebron might be "taking $30 million less to go to Miami" but he will save a hell of a lot on not paying as much tax down there than he would anywhere else.
there arent state taxes. for a 16 mil contract, the difference in state taxes for half the games (they pay state taxes in the other states they play in) between MIA and CLE is about 474k. so, not really that much compared to the contract.

same for texass as well

[nolebball]

Aren't taxes in florida much lower than in other states like NYC and Illinois? I know that's why so many NBA stars live in Florida. So Lebron might be "taking $30 million less to go to Miami" but he will save a hell of a lot on not paying as much tax down there than he would anywhere else.

There's no state tax in Florida (as well as Texas), and New York's is really high. But Illinois has one of the lowest state taxes.

[I am that I am]

there arent state taxes. for a 16 mil contract, the difference in state taxes for half the games (they pay state taxes in the other states they play in) between MIA and CLE is about 474k. so, not really that much compared to the contract.

same for texass as well

wow, nice knowledge dropped, where do you learn this stuff?

[InspiredLebowski]

Speaking of taxes, I wish someone that knew what the hell they were talking about (like Larry Coon) would tell me how the jock tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax) works. People always say FL has no state income tax, which is obviously true, but they still have to pay it in every other state with an NBA team, albeit for only half the season.

[boozehound]

around I guess. Just a good memory. the actual % for OH state tax over 200k I found somewhere through google.

as for IL.

heres how it works. If you do any work in a state other than your residency, you are expected to pay the state income tax on the proportion of your income you made in that state. This is true for all people, not just high rollers. I had to do it when I was an archaeological field tech.

but lots of people dont pay it.

so, anyways, since in the nba, you are paid your salary "per game" you have to declare 1/82 of your season salary taxable in the state you play that game in.
pretty sure that all states have an income tax outside of TX and FL, but I could be wrong ( I think vermont or some such also doesnt have one).

[boozehound]

Speaking of taxes, I wish someone that knew what the hell they were talking about (like Larry Coon) would tell me how the jock tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax) works. People always say FL has no state income tax, which is obviously true, but they still have to pay it in every other state with an NBA team, albeit for only half the season.
So, in the example I presented above, I took half the salary of a 16 mil contract and figured out what the tax in OH would amount to. thats basically the difference between a contract for the cavs and MIA. of course the other half of the salary would be taxed at a bunch of variable rates. I might could work it up if you so desired.

[-playmaker-]

Hitler Reacts to LBJ's Decision (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1DjJtp2wF4) (that video really works in so many situations)

^^^ you know why this Hitler video isn't nearly as funny as some of that past ones?

because everything he is saying is 100% true!!!

there is no joke there...Hitler is right...


except for the end when he buys season tickets...that is just a dumb joke...

[DaniloGallinari]

^^^ you know why this Hitler video isn't nearly as funny as some of that past ones?

because everything he is saying is 100% true!!!

there is no joke there...Hitler is right...


except for the end when he buys season tickets...that is just a dumb joke...

That one blows. This is the funny one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR83rjgxki4

[InspiredLebowski]

You should all check out the movie all the Hitler parodies come from, "Downfall." It's really quite an impressive movie.

[-playmaker-]

That one blows. This is the funny one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR83rjgxki4
:lol

"plus we get every A-Bomb in the world and an operational Death Star. Sound fair Stalin?"


:oldlol:


that shit is funny...

[Juges8932]

That one blows. This is the funny one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR83rjgxki4

LOL. :roll: :roll:

That shit had me :roll:

[Hawker]

around I guess. Just a good memory. the actual % for OH state tax over 200k I found somewhere through google.

as for IL.

heres how it works. If you do any work in a state other than your residency, you are expected to pay the state income tax on the proportion of your income you made in that state. This is true for all people, not just high rollers. I had to do it when I was an archaeological field tech.

but lots of people dont pay it.

so, anyways, since in the nba, you are paid your salary "per game" you have to declare 1/82 of your season salary taxable in the state you play that game in.
pretty sure that all states have an income tax outside of TX and FL, but I could be wrong ( I think vermont or some such also doesnt have one).

Ya, usually you'll just be able to get it all back. May be different for pro bball players but I got all my Cali state tax money back from last summer.

[knickballer]

This one is pretty funny as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPbqe0YsOI&feature=related