Barkley: LeBron Piggybacking Wade for championship

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/07/08/20100708_lebron_barkley.nba/

lol..good job Charles

[MayCeltics]

Bitter old man. If Charles was 25, he'd join Miami too.

[BFRESH44]

When are people going to realize that Lebron James does not care what people think about him?

He has a "F*CK YOU PAY ME" mindset.

He just happens to be a really good & unselfish basketball player.

[lacasner]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/07/08/20100708_lebron_barkley.nba/

lol..good job Charles

Charles is just mad that no one on this earth is strong enough to piggyback him anywhere :rolleyes:

literally.

[Cangri]

Charles is just mad that no one on this earth is strong enough to piggyback him anywhere :rolleyes:

literally.
:roll:

[Sarcastic]

Bitter old man. If Charles was 25, he'd join Miami too.

Nah. If you ever saw Barkley play you would know he was a competitor and leader, not a follower. At the end of his career, he became a follower.

[bagelred]

Bitter old man. If Charles was 25, he'd join Miami too.

So wrong.

[vert48]

Bitter old man. If Charles was 25, he'd join Miami too.Nope. Charles did not piggy back until he was 35. When he was 25, he had not given up.

[Showtime]

I don't remember him being outraged about his new teammates...

http://nicekicks.com/files/2009/07/cbrock.jpg

[Indian guy]

Charles would certainly know all about piggybacking.

http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/catImages/rockets96cos-1.jpg

[Draz]

Let's not get to out of control here after all lebron does desereve to be smashed on a bit just for his retarded statements.

"I'm all about family"

Really? Your father wasn't surprising wonder where he got that from.

[Sarcastic]

Charles would certainly know all about piggybacking.

http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/catImages/rockets96cos-1.jpg

If you watched and listened to the link, he addressed the Houston situation.

[JM720]

I don't remember him being outraged about his new teammates...

http://nicekicks.com/files/2009/07/cbrock.jpg


Charles would certainly know all about piggybacking.

http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/catImages/rockets96cos-1.jpg

Addressed in the Interview, but I guess yall didnt even bother to listen.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Bitter old man. If Charles was 25, he'd join Miami too.

did u even fcuking watch him play a single minute? u dumb fcuk?

[Indian guy]

If you watched and listened to the link, he addressed the Houston situation.

What did he say?

[Jacks3]

I don't see how LeBron is piggybacking. He'll almost certainly be the best, most productive Heat player next year. How is that piggybacking? :confusedshrug:

[Braincells]

What did he say?

Barkley was at the tail end of his career, it's just not comparable.

[omarnyc]

What did he say?


how bout you listen before you make lil comments

[bagelred]

I don't remember him being outraged about his new teammates...

http://nicekicks.com/files/2009/07/cbrock.jpg

How stupid are you people? They were in the very late stages of their career. Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

How stupid are you people? They were in the very late stages of their career. Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.


these ba$tards here were even born back then...lol...thats the avg age of this forum ...:roll:

[bladefd]

How stupid are you people? They were in the very late stages of their career. Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.

Yup, they were where Boston Celtics will be next year with PP/Ray Allen/KG. Their window is REALLY closing quickly. 2 more years MAX before it is air-tight shut. That is the stage where Charles/Hakeem/Drexler were at..

[LAClipsFan33]

Barkley is acting like a b!tch right now

[Indian guy]

Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.

Washed up? :rolleyes:. All 3 started TOGETHER on the WC All Star team in 1996. I didn't know washed up players did that. Hakeem averaged 27/11. Barkley 23/12. Clyde 19/7/6. You know what makes it all worse? Barkley actually lost to Hakeem twice in the playoffs! Hakeem's the reason why Charles couldn't win in Phx. So what did he do? He joined him! I'm certainly no fan of LeBron's decision, but at least him and Wade have no playoff history.

[Showtime]

Addressed in the Interview, but I guess yall didnt even bother to listen.

I did, I just don't agree with his point. He basically says it's OK to piggyback and ring chase if you're old, but not when you're young. First off, I don't think he's piggybacking anybody, because if they win, it's going to be because he contributed a lot. Honestly, if Chuck was in Lebron's place, I think he would do the same. Not all players get a chance like this, let alone to win it all. It's still something that eats at guys and they say it. Chuck is bitter about not ever getting one, and so is Webber. I don't find a problem with a guy taking what he can get knowing he's got a short window of opportunity. People forget that even though Lebron is still 25, he's played 7 years already, and that's about the halfway point for most talented players.

[Done_And_Done]

Anyone who garners comparisons of Charles stint in Houston to Lebrons signing in Miami either doesnt grasp the situation or intentionally doesnt want to by the will of ignorance

[pimp daddy pimp]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/07/08/20100708_lebron_barkley.nba/

lol..good job Charles

Dude wasn't good enough to win a ship and now he wants to talk trash about others?

Who the **** does this old fat guy think he is talking to?

Chubby Chuck is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. He isn't fit to lick Bron Bron's sneakers clean.

[SinJackal]

It seems like everyone here trash talking Barkley and anyone who takes his stance haven't watched NBA over 10 years ago. All they know are the AI's and Arenas type players, and think it's all about scoring and jumpshooting and know nothing about honorable competition.

I even read hilarious posts about how MJ would suck if he was in his prime today due to zone D, and I just laugh. In today's NBA, you get fouls called for you when you don't even get touched after a jumpshot. If a player's anywhere within a foot or two when you're trying to score, it seems like it's a foul is called. Back when Barkley and MJ played, you'd just about have to see blood drawn before they call fouls on guys. . .

Today's league = sissy league. It's no wonder LBJ sold out like the whimpering defeated dog that he is.

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Dude wasn't good enough to win a ship and now he wants to talk trash about others?

Who the **** does this old fat guy think he is talking to?

Chubby Chuck is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. He isn't fit to lick Bron Bron's sneakers clean.

^ This type of crap is exactly my point. . . Clearly he's never seen Barkley play even in a highlight vid.

[Bladers]

Washed up? :rolleyes:. All 3 started TOGETHER on the WC All Star team in 1996. I didn't know washed up players did that. Hakeem averaged 27/11. Barkley 23/12. Clyde 19/7/6. You know what makes it all worse? Barkley actually lost to Hakeem twice in the playoffs! Hakeem's the reason why Charles couldn't win in Phx. So what did he do? He joined him! I'm certainly no fan of LeBron's decision, but at least him and Wade have no playoff history.

They were about to, but LePunk punked out. :cry:

[Showtime]

How stupid are you people? They were in the very late stages of their career. Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.
How stupid are you? They were in decline, but still able to produce at a high level. Drexler averaged like 18-6-6, and Barley was one of the top rebounders that season when he was on the floor. They won 57 games and went to the conference finals. They were by no means in the situation of GP in Miami, or Sheed with Boston.

My point is that I disagree with Barkley. He basically said it's ok to have co-stars when in decline, but not in his prime. And that's BS IMO. And in reality, the league was different back then. You didn't see as many big-time contracts and money being thrown around as much, nor did you see that many free agent moves like this. This is unprecedented. I don't think Chuck turns down that opportunity if he were in the league today.

[pimp daddy pimp]

Nah. If you ever saw Barkley play you would know he was a competitor and leader, not a follower. At the end of his career, he became a follower.

If he was such a competitor how come he plays some of the worst defense at the time? Good defense is a sign of competitive edge.

[Done_And_Done]

Dude wasn't good enough to win a ship and now he wants to talk trash about others?

Who the **** does this old fat guy think he is talking to?

Chubby Chuck is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. He isn't fit to lick Bron Bron's sneakers clean.


You still find time to eat lunch with that agenda...

[Showtime]

Anyone who garners comparisons of Charles stint in Houston to Lebrons signing in Miami either doesnt grasp the situation or intentionally doesnt want to by the will of ignorance
Barkley was traded there, but he didn't complain about playing with those HOFers. So he's ok with playing with those guys, as long as he's in the desperate situation of being past his peak and ringless. Yeah, ok chuck.

[Bladers]

I did, I just don't agree with his point. He basically says it's OK to piggyback and ring chase if you're old, but not when you're young. First off, I don't think he's piggybacking anybody, because if they win, it's going to be because he contributed a lot. Honestly, if Chuck was in Lebron's place, I think he would do the same. Not all players get a chance like this, let alone to win it all. It's still something that eats at guys and they say it. Chuck is bitter about not ever getting one, and so is Webber. I don't find a problem with a guy taking what he can get knowing he's got a short window of opportunity. People forget that even though Lebron is still 25, he's played 7 years already, and that's about the halfway point for most talented players.

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[EllEffEll]

Washed up? :rolleyes:. All 3 started TOGETHER on the WC All Star team in 1996. I didn't know washed up players did that. Hakeem averaged 27/11. Barkley 23/12. Clyde 19/7/6. You know what makes it all worse? Barkley actually lost to Hakeem twice in the playoffs! Hakeem's the reason why Charles couldn't win in Phx. So what did he do? He joined him! I'm certainly no fan of LeBron's decision, but at least him and Wade have no playoff history.

That 1996 All Star game was played a day after Charles turned 33 years old. Hakeem was also 33 years old and Drexler was almost 34 years old. Charles joined Houston for the 96-97 season and his scoring average dropped almost 5 points that first year in Houston alone. Yea, he was probably sharing the ball a little more and he focused a little more on rebounding, but if you actually remember those years, he had begun his decline even when he was with Phoenix prior to joining the Rockets. Those last four years of his career, he played 53, 68, 42 and 20 games. Yes, he was at the tail end of his career while he was a Rocket.

[EllisGW]

when was wade better than lebron

[Sarcastic]

If he was such a competitor how come he plays some of the worst defense at the time? Good defense is a sign of competitive edge.

He was a 6'4" PF. He wasn't a great defensive PF, but he was better than average. He certainly wasn't a liability.

[Sarcastic]

when was wade better than lebron

Never, but Lebron ceded his manhood to him though.

[SinJackal]

when was wade better than lebron

When he won the NBA championship? Arguably better 2 years ago too.

[pimp daddy pimp]

He was a 6'4" PF. He wasn't a great defensive PF, but he was better than average. He certainly wasn't a liability.


Even Barkley knows Barkley sucked on defense. Stop trying to re-write history.

[Replay32]

Charles just needs to STFU. This is the same dude that trashed the 76'ers and asked for a trade cuz he wasn't winning. And I don't believe if he and MJ were both free agents at 25 and could play together that he wouldn't want to play with MJ.

I'm not saying LBJ or Wade are MJ. But you get the point. Back in the 80's contracts were longer and way different. Charles is full of it.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

In his prime, Barkley was better than any the 3 Divas.
Now he gets paid for his opinion.

He wins, you lose.

[EllEffEll]

Even Barkley knows Barkley sucked on defense. Stop trying to re-write history.

Doesn't mean he can't recognize a bandwagon hopping (Dallas Cowboy and Yankee fan), ring chasing (had to join a rival's team rather than lead his own) front runner (a type of sports fan who likes only the team that is winning) when he sees one, the same as most other thinking people.

No law against being any of those things. He can do it if he wants to. Perfectly legal. It's just funny seeing people trying to say he isn't any of those things. You know, don't pee on my leg and then tell me it's raining.

People are just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of the self-proclaimed "King" and "Chosen One" throwing in the towel on his potential GOAT legacy at age 25. Like I said, no law against that. I just find it personally distasteful. The Emporer has no clothes.

Same way I found it personally distasteful that KB and Shaq couldn't find a way to co-exist and the same way I found it distasteful the way KB handled the Bynum out burst a few years ago.

Even good people sometimes make errors in judgment. I don't claim to be inside of his head, but I don't think any rings he wins this way will be all that satisfying TO HIM. The self-proclaimed "student of the game" apparently skipped a few classes along the way.

The good news for him is that he's still young (and obviously immature in some ways) so he still has time to recover some dignity even if his legacy has taken a major hit.

[rezznor]

barkly was the ****ing man. how many people you know can body slam a young shaq?

[Sarcastic]

Even Barkley knows Barkley sucked on defense. Stop trying to re-write history.

He was one of the premier rebounders in the NBA. Rebounding is an aspect of playing defense. He was not a shut down defender, but he held his own.

[Rake2204]

I'm with Charles here. And again, he made a point that a lot of people do not want to look at. . .and that is that the Cleveland Cavaliers really weren't a horrible club. I felt as if the team was trying to do whatever they possibly could to make things work. Mo Williams was lauded, ditto Shaq, and Antawn. It wasn't until a hot Boston team locked Cleveland up that suddenly all three of these guys became horrible and worthless. I really never got the feeling that Cleveland was too far off from winning a ring.

And speaking of rings, in LeBron's case, I do find there's a difference between him winning a championship in Cleveland vs. stacking his way to a title in Miami. One route is legit, another is even poor streetball etiquette (stack one squad with all the real ballplayers then flaunt how awesome you are).

The recordbooks will not distinguish between a Cav ring and a Heat ring, but I do believe honor remains. Just as we argue to this day on the merits of Wilt Chamberlains' competition, 98% of NBA heads for the next century will read about LeBron's rings only to follow up with, "Yeah, wow, cool, he won. . .only he had to leave his own team to join a group of superstars to make it happen."

[PHILA]

In his prime, Barkley was better than any the 3 Divas.
Now he gets paid for his opinion.

He wins, you lose.
:applause:


Just as we argue to this day on the merits of Wilt Chamberlains' competition
Undoubtedly the most vilified and unjustly criticized player to ever lace up in the NBA, still to this very day.

[plowking]

In his prime, Barkley was better than any the 3 Divas.
Now he gets paid for his opinion.

He wins, you lose.

No...

Lebron was better...
and Wade was better...

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

No...

Lebron was better...
and Wade was better...

have u ever seen barkley play? fcuking dumbfcuk

[plowking]

have u ever seen barkley play? fcuking dumbfcuk

So Barkley would be the best player in the game today if he was playing now?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

So Barkley would be the best player in the game today if he was playing now?

lol u r a retard...no point arguing with u...is that how u argue with everybody?

[RazorBaLade]

So Barkley would be the best player in the game today if he was playing now?

2nd before Kobe, yes

[amfirst]

haha c'mon Charles does have a point. Imagine if all superstars hitting 25 yrs prime of their career all jumping on their greatest competition to get a cakewalk to the championship.

Where's the a heart, desire, and competitiveness?

The accomplishment is not the same, when your practically join a super team to guarantee a championship.

It's like playing a video game with hacks.... :lol

[crisoner]

Agree with Chuck 100% here...

If Bron did something like went back to the Cavs for 3 years to say...didn't win and moved on that would of been fine by me to make a move like this. But now? And the way he went on to announce it.....dumb man real dumb.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

haha c'mon Charles does have a point. Imagine if all superstars hitting 25 yrs prime of their career all jumping on their greatest competition to get a cakewalk to the championship.

Where's the a heart, desire, and competitiveness?

The accomplishment is not the same, when your practically join a super team to guarantee a championship.

It's like playing a video game with hacks.... :lol

thats why people are hating on lebron...a 25 yr old Man...who is compared to MJ is saying...oh well I just dont have the heart to go get it by myself.....ill just join these 2 guys and get championship...who I cant beat anyways in the playoffs...


thats a sissy way out

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Agree with Chuck 100% here...

If Bron did something like went back to the Cavs for 3 years to say...didn't win and moved on that would of been fine by me to make a move like this. But now? And the way he went on to announce it.....dumb man real dumb.

the thing is his team had the best record for 2 years ....and he still dumps them....I dont care about being home town and that sh!t but....come on ....

[plowking]

2nd before Kobe, yes

When did Kobe become the best. Lebron's led a worse supporting cast to more wins, won back to back MVP's, ranked higher on DPOY, had better stats...

You really going to say because his team won a championship, that he's better?

Delusional.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

When did Kobe become the best. Lebron's led a worse supporting cast to more wins, won back to back MVP's, ranked higher on DPOY, had better stats...

You really going to say because his team won a championship, that he's better?

Delusional.

in last 2 years: Kobe => 2 & Lebron => 0
last 2 years: Lebron's team => best record in the NBA

[plowking]

lol u r a retard...no point arguing with u...is that how u argue with everybody?

You're a scared Kobe fan that can't stand the fact it's not looking all smooth and dandy this upcoming season. You have a new team to deal with, get over it.

I'm a retard? For what, thinking Lebron and Wade are better than Barkley? Yes, I'm delusional... :rolleyes:

A two time MVP being better than Barkley?... no way...
A player averaging 25/5/5 over his career and having one of the best finals series ever better than Barkley? ... no way...

Take off your Kobe homer glasses and get his nuts out ya mouth. You Kobe fans are seriously pathetic. Nothing better to do then make hate threads about Lebron. Good on you.

[plowking]

in last 2 years: Kobe => 2 & Lebron => 0
last 2 years: Lebron's team => best record in the NBA

Keep dodging the question...

Lebron>Kobe

He scores more, at a higher clip, is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, better athlete, and is harder to stop.

[305Baller]

Barkley : 0 rings.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

You're a scared Kobe fan that can't stand the fact it's not looking all smooth and dandy this upcoming season. You have a new team to deal with, get over it.

I'm a retard? For what, thinking Lebron and Wade are better than Barkley? Yes, I'm delusional... :rolleyes:

A two time MVP being better than Barkley?... no way...
A player averaging 25/5/5 over his career and having one of the best finals series ever better than Barkley? ... no way...

Take off your Kobe homer glasses and get his nuts out ya mouth. You Kobe fans are seriously pathetic. Nothing better to do then make hate threads about Lebron. Good on you.

lol...fcuk off byatch....if you didnt understand the context in the way i said it....dont even reply to my posts here...u pathetic peice of garbage....if you cant argue....just jump on the laker homer subject....

[jlauber]

:applause:


Undoubtedly the most vilified and unjustly criticized player to ever lace up in the NBA, still to this very day.

Yep. Wilt's 62-63 team goes 31-49, on a team that is arguably among the least talented ever. He plays nearly every minute, and his team's point differential is -2.0 ppg. He leads the league in scoring by a wide margin, at 44.8 ppg. He leads the league in rebounding at 24.6 rpg. He sets a then-record FG% mark of .528 (in a league that shoots .441.) He leads the league in Win Shares at 20.9. And his PER rating is the highest in NBA HISTORY. Meanwhile the rest of his pathetic teammates collectively shoot .412 from the field.

Yet, there are posters here who blame HIM for that season. According to them he was "padding his stats" by playing nearly every minute. And while rebounding generally requires hard work, evidently those rebounds must have fallen into his lap.

Wilt gets sick before the start of the '64-65 season, and nearly DIES. Despite medical opinion that suggests he should take 3-4 months off, he returns anyway, to another under-achieving team (he carried that same roster to the Finals the year before and thoroughly outplayed Russell in the Finals.) He is subsequently traded at mid-season, to a team that had been 34-46 the year before. With Chamberlain, they finish 40-40, but then blow out the 48-32 Royals in the first round of the playoffs. Wilt leads them to a game seven, one point loss, against the 62-18 Celtics and their FIVE HOFers...and averages a 30-30 series against Russell (on well over 50% shooting.)

Yet, according to some posters here, it was HIS fault that that Warrior team finished 17-63.

In the very next season, in the ECF's, he averages 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shoots .509 from the field, including a 46-34 performance in the clinching game five loss.

But, according to these same posters...it was WILT's fault that the Sixers are beaten 4-1 in that series. Even though Greer shoots .352, Jackson shoots .429, Walker shoots .375, Jones shoots .325, and Cunningham shoots an incredible .161.


These posters rip Wilt for leading the league in minutes played (NINE times BTW...including the top-SEVEN seasons in NBA HISTORY.) Not only that, but in his 160 post-season games, he averaged 47.2 mpg.

They slam him for leading the league in assists (and despite the fact that he led his team to the best record in the league, by a wide margin.)

They diminish his stats, even though he is the ONLY player of his era shattering all the records.

He gets slapped for his "inefficent" scoring seasons, despite shooting .528 in his 44.8 ppg season, and .540 in his 33.5 ppg season....in leagues that shot .441 and .433. AND, even though they are better than what Olajuwon put up in his BEST season (and in a league that shot MUCH higher.)

His rebounding gets discredited because of pace and era. Yet, he absolutely crushed his peers. He outrebounded the second greatest rebounder, Bill Russell, by a FIVE rpg in their 142 H2H games. He outrebounded him in EVERY post-season, some by HUGE margins. He has one post-season series in which he outrebounded Russell by a 32-23 per game margin. AND, in one game, he sets the NBA record, against Russell, by outrebounding him, 55-19. Overall, his post-season numbers are staggering, with one entire post-season at over 30 rpg and several more over 27.

He gets pounded because of his "competition"...despite facing TWELVE HOF centers in his career (and a HOF center in 112 of his 160 post-season games.) Players like Kerr, Lovelette, Unseld, Cowens, Lanier, Hayes, Bellamy, Reed, Lucas, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem. He outplays virtually every opposing center in all 29 of his post-season series.

But, according to these posters...he was a "stat-padder", "selfish", "choker", "loser", and a "failure"...and is not even worthy of a top-5 ranking all-time (maybe not even top-10.)

[Bladers]

Keep dodging the question...

Lebron>Kobe

He scores more, at a higher clip, is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, better athlete, and is harder to stop.

Your a fool 4 life, for just that.

[plowking]

lol...fcuk off byatch....if you didnt understand the context in the way i said it....dont even reply to my posts here...u pathetic peice of garbage....if you cant argue....just jump on the laker homer subject....

Fukk off biatch
u stupid
idiot
ur garbage

Nice arguments, yet I'm the one that's apparently the one that can't make a case...

It's clear u mad.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Fukk off biatch
u stupid
idiot
ur garbage

Nice arguments, yet I'm the one that's apparently the one that can't make a case...

It's clear u mad.

i have to get down to ur low level and ur retard thinking...so u can understand what i am saying...

obviously you still dont understand what i said in my post do u?

oh well forget about it...not wasting my time on garbage like u

[Kiarip]

i have to get down to ur low level and ur retard thinking...so u can understand what i am saying...

obviously you still dont understand what i said in my post do u?

oh well forget about it...not wasting my time on garbage like u

you're making all kobe fans look retarded right now.



As for the argument that Barkley was still in good shape when he joined the rockets...

Even he admits that he was washed up, and I know someone brought up his stats on one of the first two pages...

Well, Duncan is way past his prime, but he still just about averaged a double double, when you're that good you'll still be able to put up good statistics, but you just can't dominate the game like you used to when you're old, and that's the case with Duncan right now, and that was also the case with Barkley.

Duncan is highly unlikely to team hop right now, mostly because he already won 4 times, and also because he's just not that type of guy, but if he decided to invite some super high level players to his team, and they accepted, I think that it would be quite obvious that he's trying to piggy-back to get another ring, but I doubt anyone would blame him for it, because he's obviously not at a place where he can win it on his own, even if he could put up 20/10 for the season.

[mgeise]

Yep. Wilt's 62-63 team goes 31-49, on a team that is arguably among the least talented ever. He plays nearly every minute, and his team's point differential is -2.0 ppg. He leads the league in scoring by a wide margin, at 44.8 ppg. He leads the league in rebounding at 24.6 rpg. He sets a then-record FG% mark of .528 (in a league that shoots .441.) He leads the league in Win Shares at 20.9. And his PER rating is the highest in NBA HISTORY. Meanwhile the rest of his pathetic teammates collectively shoot .412 from the field.

Yet, there are posters here who blame HIM for that season. According to them he was "padding his stats" by playing nearly every minute. And while rebounding generally requires hard work, evidently those rebounds must have fallen into his lap.

Wilt gets sick before the start of the '64-65 season, and nearly DIES. Despite medical opinion that suggests he should take 3-4 months off, he returns anyway, to another under-achieving team (he carried that same roster to the Finals the year before and thoroughly outplayed Russell in the Finals.) He is subsequently traded at mid-season, to a team that had been 34-46 the year before. With Chamberlain, they finish 40-40, but then blow out the 48-32 Royals in the first round of the playoffs. Wilt leads them to a game seven, one point loss, against the 62-18 Celtics and their FIVE HOFers...and averages a 30-30 series against Russell (on well over 50% shooting.)

Yet, according to some posters here, it was HIS fault that that Warrior team finished 17-63.

In the very next season, in the ECF's, he averages 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shoots .509 from the field, including a 46-34 performance in the clinching game five loss.

But, according to these same posters...it was WILT's fault that the Sixers are beaten 4-1 in that series. Even though Greer shoots .352, Jackson shoots .429, Walker shoots .375, Jones shoots .325, and Cunningham shoots an incredible .161.


These posters rip Wilt for leading the league in minutes played (NINE times BTW...including the top-SEVEN seasons in NBA HISTORY.) Not only that, but in his 160 post-season games, he averaged 47.2 mpg.

They slam him for leading the league in assists (and despite the fact that he led his team to the best record in the league, by a wide margin.)

They diminish his stats, even though he is the ONLY player of his era shattering all the records.

He gets slapped for his "inefficent" scoring seasons, despite shooting .528 in his 44.8 ppg season, and .540 in his 33.5 ppg season....in leagues that shot .441 and .433. AND, even though they are better than what Olajuwon put up in his BEST season (and in a league that shot MUCH higher.)

His rebounding gets discredited because of pace and era. Yet, he absolutely crushed his peers. He outrebounded the second greatest rebounder, Bill Russell, by a FIVE rpg in their 142 H2H games. He outrebounded him in EVERY post-season, some by HUGE margins. He has one post-season series in which he outrebounded Russell by a 32-23 per game margin. AND, in one game, he sets the NBA record, against Russell, by outrebounding him, 55-19. Overall, his post-season numbers are staggering, with one entire post-season at over 30 rpg and several more over 27.

He gets pounded because of his "competition"...despite facing TWELVE HOF centers in his career (and a HOF center in 112 of his 160 post-season games.) Players like Kerr, Lovelette, Unseld, Cowens, Lanier, Hayes, Bellamy, Reed, Lucas, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem. He outplays virtually every opposing center in all 29 of his post-season series.

But, according to these posters...he was a "stat-padder", "selfish", "choker", "loser", and a "failure"...and is not even worthy of a top-5 ranking all-time (maybe not even top-10.)

Outstanding post. :applause:

[The_Yearning]

Yep. Wilt's 62-63 team goes 31-49, on a team that is arguably among the least talented ever. He plays nearly every minute, and his team's point differential is -2.0 ppg. He leads the league in scoring by a wide margin, at 44.8 ppg. He leads the league in rebounding at 24.6 rpg. He sets a then-record FG% mark of .528 (in a league that shoots .441.) He leads the league in Win Shares at 20.9. And his PER rating is the highest in NBA HISTORY. Meanwhile the rest of his pathetic teammates collectively shoot .412 from the field.

Yet, there are posters here who blame HIM for that season. According to them he was "padding his stats" by playing nearly every minute. And while rebounding generally requires hard work, evidently those rebounds must have fallen into his lap.

Wilt gets sick before the start of the '64-65 season, and nearly DIES. Despite medical opinion that suggests he should take 3-4 months off, he returns anyway, to another under-achieving team (he carried that same roster to the Finals the year before and thoroughly outplayed Russell in the Finals.) He is subsequently traded at mid-season, to a team that had been 34-46 the year before. With Chamberlain, they finish 40-40, but then blow out the 48-32 Royals in the first round of the playoffs. Wilt leads them to a game seven, one point loss, against the 62-18 Celtics and their FIVE HOFers...and averages a 30-30 series against Russell (on well over 50% shooting.)

Yet, according to some posters here, it was HIS fault that that Warrior team finished 17-63.

In the very next season, in the ECF's, he averages 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shoots .509 from the field, including a 46-34 performance in the clinching game five loss.

But, according to these same posters...it was WILT's fault that the Sixers are beaten 4-1 in that series. Even though Greer shoots .352, Jackson shoots .429, Walker shoots .375, Jones shoots .325, and Cunningham shoots an incredible .161.


These posters rip Wilt for leading the league in minutes played (NINE times BTW...including the top-SEVEN seasons in NBA HISTORY.) Not only that, but in his 160 post-season games, he averaged 47.2 mpg.

They slam him for leading the league in assists (and despite the fact that he led his team to the best record in the league, by a wide margin.)

They diminish his stats, even though he is the ONLY player of his era shattering all the records.

He gets slapped for his "inefficent" scoring seasons, despite shooting .528 in his 44.8 ppg season, and .540 in his 33.5 ppg season....in leagues that shot .441 and .433. AND, even though they are better than what Olajuwon put up in his BEST season (and in a league that shot MUCH higher.)

His rebounding gets discredited because of pace and era. Yet, he absolutely crushed his peers. He outrebounded the second greatest rebounder, Bill Russell, by a FIVE rpg in their 142 H2H games. He outrebounded him in EVERY post-season, some by HUGE margins. He has one post-season series in which he outrebounded Russell by a 32-23 per game margin. AND, in one game, he sets the NBA record, against Russell, by outrebounding him, 55-19. Overall, his post-season numbers are staggering, with one entire post-season at over 30 rpg and several more over 27.

He gets pounded because of his "competition"...despite facing TWELVE HOF centers in his career (and a HOF center in 112 of his 160 post-season games.) Players like Kerr, Lovelette, Unseld, Cowens, Lanier, Hayes, Bellamy, Reed, Lucas, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem. He outplays virtually every opposing center in all 29 of his post-season series.

But, according to these posters...he was a "stat-padder", "selfish", "choker", "loser", and a "failure"...and is not even worthy of a top-5 ranking all-time (maybe not even top-10.)

Chump, who cares about Wilt? Get your old ass off this board.

[The Rock]

Barkley should know his role, AND SHUT HIS MOUTH!

[tontoz]

What did he say?



All those guys were past their prime in their 30s. SMH @ these kids.

[tontoz]

when was wade better than lebron


In May and June when the games really matter.

Lebron is definitely better at dancing on the sidelines during the regular season though.

[vert48]

Barkley should know his role, AND SHUT HIS MOUTH!Barkley's role is to open his mouth, and tell it like it is.

[Bigsmoke]

How stupid are you people? They were in the very late stages of their career. Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.

so Barkley wasnt "Piggybacking" when he wanted to get traded to the Suns?

[The Rock]

Barkley's role is to open his mouth, and tell it like it is.

The Rock says this, The Rock says Barkley should go in his kitchen, make a mega burger with jelly donuts, ice-cream and mash potatoes, greeze it up real nice, and no, not eat it, oh no. He should turn that sum bitch sideways, and stick it straight up his CANDY ASS!

[Bigsmoke]

Barkley : 0 rings.

yea lets act like Barkley was never on the same team with Moses Malone, Dr.J, Mo Cheeks, Kevin Johnson,Dan Majerle, Kevin Willis, Hakeem, and Drexler.

Lebron best supporting cast members were Big Z, 34 year old Jamison, and Mo Williams.

yea talk shit now fatboy:rolleyes:

[lacasner]

Your a fool 4 life, for just that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wToW5nADa1U

Bladers watch it :rockon:

[DaniloGallinari]

yea lets act like Barkley was never on the same team with Moses Malone, Dr.J, Mo Cheeks, Kevin Johnson,Dan Majerle, Kevin Willis, Hakeem, and Drexler.

Lebron best supporting cast members were Big Z, 34 year old Jamison, and Mo Williams.

yea talk shit now fatboy:rolleyes:
Fail. All those players were past their prime or not good enough.

And now, apparently, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, old-ass Kevin Wiillis, old-ass Hakeem, old-ass Drexler, old-ass Malone, and old-ass Dr. J are in the same breath as prime Dwyane Wade, prime Chris Bosh, and peak Mike Miller. We still don't know who he's going to add to the team.


Don't be mad Barkley is a basketball god that gets paid to voice his opinions. Even without a championship he is considered top 3 PF of all-time and one of the greatest players ever.

[Bigsmoke]

Fail. All those players were past their prime or not good enough.

And now, apparently, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, old-ass Kevin Wiillis, old-ass Hakeem, old-ass Drexler, old-ass Malone, and old-ass Dr. J are in the same breath as prime Dwyane Wade, prime Chris Bosh, and peak Mike Miller. We still don't know who he's going to add to the team.


Don't be mad Barkley is a basketball god that gets paid to voice his opinions. Even without a championship he is considered top 3 PF of all-time and one of the greatest players ever.

but all of those guys were better than 34 year old Jamison, Z, and Mo Williams.

o yea, lets all get mad at Lebron for playing with a first round virgins in Bosh and wade without Shaq :hammerhead: THey havent played a single game yet together and ****** are ****ing tweaking on some dumb shit

this shit is stupid

[niko]

Somehow people want to argue that Lebron basically admitting he cannot win on his own and going to play with Dwayne Wade is not going to lower people's opinions of him? It already has. Look at all the coverage. You are arguing something that has already occurred.

[PleezeBelieve]

Somehow people want to argue that Lebron basically admitting he cannot win on his own and going to play with Dwayne Wade is not going to lower people's opinions of him? It already has. Look at all the coverage. You are arguing something that has already occurred.
:applause:

lol @ people "No..no..no is doesn't" yet 90% of the articles I've read and opinions heard have either called him a quitter, coward, or saying he took the easy way out.

Why argue this point?

[Bodin]

And speaking of rings, in LeBron's case, I do find there's a difference between him winning a championship in Cleveland vs. stacking his way to a title in Miami. One route is legit, another is even poor streetball etiquette (stack one squad with all the real ballplayers then flaunt how awesome you are).

The recordbooks will not distinguish between a Cav ring and a Heat ring, but I do believe honor remains. Just as we argue to this day on the merits of Wilt Chamberlains' competition, 98% of NBA heads for the next century will read about LeBron's rings only to follow up with, "Yeah, wow, cool, he won. . .only he had to leave his own team to join a group of superstars to make it happen."

In terms of legitimacy of future titles, I think this will eventually become a moot point.

MJ had Pippen and Rodman (and H.Grant for the 1st 3peat)
Kobe has Gasol, Bynum & Odom
Duncan has Manu and Parker
Shaq had Kobe
Magic had tons of help (& same with Bird)

The point I am trying to make is that to win a title you need help and it usually takes 2+ superstars. We all know this to be true.

The only thing that will hurt his legacy (and I think it will all eventually blow over) is the way he went about all of this.

[Bodin]

Fail. All those players were past their prime or not good enough.

And now, apparently, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, old-ass Kevin Wiillis, old-ass Hakeem, old-ass Drexler, old-ass Malone, and old-ass Dr. J are in the same breath as prime Dwyane Wade, prime Chris Bosh, and peak Mike Miller. We still don't know who he's going to add to the team.


Your underrating of past stars and overrating of Bosh and Miller sicken me. Bosh's contributions are going to be similar to Horace Grants' during the Bulls first 3peat.

[Bigsmoke]

Your underrating of past stars and overrating of Bosh and Miller sicken me. Bosh's contributions are going to be similar to Horace Grants' during the Bulls first 3peat.

lol why did this dude even brought up Mike Miller?

[Rake2204]

In terms of legitimacy of future titles, I think this will eventually become a moot point.

MJ had Pippen and Rodman (and H.Grant for the 1st 3peat)
Kobe has Gasol, Bynum & Odom
Duncan has Manu and Parker
Shaq had Kobe
Magic had tons of help (& same with Bird)

The point I am trying to make is that to win a title you need help and it usually takes 2+ superstars. We all know this to be true.

The only thing that will hurt his legacy (and I think it will all eventually blow over) is the way he went about all of this.
Yeah I understand there and that's why I'm somewhat conflicted, for I have always been big on stressing how good TEAMS win titles, not individual players (and I've always disliked how the greatness of individual basketball players was often based on how many championships their team won).

However, there's just SOMETHING that doesn't feel right in this situation. Kobe's team acquired Gasol for Kwame Brown and I was bothered a little. MJ's Bulls acquired Dennis Rodman for Will Perdue and I was bothered a little. The Pistons acquired Rasheed Wallace for Bobby Sura and I actually loved it (Pistons fan here) but I acknowledged it was a little bothersome.

But somehow, this LeBron deal feels different than all those cases. It truly does feel closer to Ewing leaving the Knicks and Jordan consciously leaving the Bulls in 1988 to both join Magic Johnson in L.A. Further, I'd have to imagine Chicago being Jordan's home region. There'd be feelings of abandonment, betrayal, deception, disloyalty, outright sadness. LeBron's move just feels wrong. It seems like one of those things that we all know we COULD do, but we know we never should, and thusly never do.

[kps]

Chump, who cares about Wilt? Get your old ass off this board.


fcuk that, get yer own ass off. That post was good about Wilt

[Hawker]

How stupid are you people? They were in the very late stages of their career. Even Charles said, they were basically washed up at that point.

Ya, no shit. :oldlol: Just look at the damn photo. Hakeem and Clyde are all bandaged up.

[Hawker]

lol...fcuk off byatch....if you didnt understand the context in the way i said it....dont even reply to my posts here...u pathetic peice of garbage....if you cant argue....just jump on the laker homer subject....

WOW

[Joey3000]

you cant piggy back someone who lost in the first round last year to a championship. u cany only join forces.

[icemanfan]

Charles is just mad that no one on this earth is strong enough to piggyback him anywhere :rolleyes:

literally.
Funny, I clearly remember Chuck moving to Houston to "win a championship" on a team that had recently won two championships. HMMMMMMMMM and he even took less money to recruit Scottie Pippin in 98 because he thought one more superstar might put him over the hump. So this FORMER MVP moved teams to chase a ring and he has the balls to say something bad about LBJ for making a move. WOW.

[DaniloGallinari]

Your underrating of past stars and overrating of Bosh and Miller sicken me. Bosh's contributions are going to be similar to Horace Grants' during the Bulls first 3peat.

No. I'm not underrating them. At their ages, they could not compete consistently for whole series/games. It's that simple. They weren't in their primes.


lol why did this dude even brought up Mike Miller?

Because you brought up some players past their prime. That is why I brought up Miller. Why did you bring up those old-ass players?

Notice how I used the correct form for each sentence.

[DaniloGallinari]

Funny, I clearly remember Chuck moving to Houston to "win a championship" on a team that had recently won two championships. HMMMMMMMMM and he even took less money to recruit Scottie Pippin in 98 because he thought one more superstar might put him over the hump. So this FORMER MVP moved teams to chase a ring and he has the balls to say something bad about LBJ for making a move. WOW.
Notice how he was way past his prime, and was desperate for that championship. He was desperate to experience that great happiness of winning a championship.

Also notice how he said when he was 25. Barkley can say whatever he wants. He's a legend.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Funny, I clearly remember Chuck moving to Houston to "win a championship" on a team that had recently won two championships. HMMMMMMMMM and he even took less money to recruit Scottie Pippin in 98 because he thought one more superstar might put him over the hump. So this FORMER MVP moved teams to chase a ring and he has the balls to say something bad about LBJ for making a move. WOW.


lol..u heard what he said? he was around like 34-35 when he went to Rockets to get the championship.....till then he tried to win it on his own...

you dont go suck other superstar's d!ck when u are 25....it just says u are a wuss....and have no confidence in ur abilities

[The Iron Fist]

When did Kobe become the best. Lebron's led a worse supporting cast to more wins, won back to back MVP's, ranked higher on DPOY, had better stats...

You really going to say because his team won a championship, that he's better?

Delusional.


You cats rank your MVP vote based on the team winning 50 games.

So why is saying one player is better than the other because they won the championship any different?

You want to say Lebron has better stats across the board,

but then say Lebron has a scrubby team.

When Kobe had his scrubby team,

he had better stats than Lebron ever did.


by MARK GREY

6.26.10



When you ask most Kobe Haters (we will call them KH for short) to talk about Kobe, the first thing you will hear is,

[icemanfan]

lol..u heard what he said? he was around like 34-35 when he went to Rockets to get the championship.....till then he tried to win it on his own...

you dont go suck other superstar's d!ck when u are 25....it just says u are a wuss....and have no confidence in ur abilities
So that is Sir Charles, "I never won a championship" Barkley sums it up? Well guess what, his formula completely and totally failed. LBJ does not care to join Barkley and Dominique in the halls of "greatest player never to get a ring". Charles Barkley would give up a testicle to have a championship. It is too late for him. It is not too late for James.

[gibbo3000]

In 1992, before the draft, Charles Barkley said to the Philadelphia 76ers that if they didn't land Shaq or Zo in the draft he would demand a trade. They had something like a 2% chance of a top 2 pick

Within a month of the draft lottery he was traded to Pheonix (for Jeff Hornacek and filler)

To quote Sir Charles recently "there would have been something honourable about staying in" Philadelphia and doing it as the man

Fast forward to 1996 and he asks to be traded to Houston to play with Hakeem and Clyde

Barkley needs to stop making noise and let Lebron play. He needs to stop grabbing at attention just to get some spotlight out of this incident. Let it go Charles, it's too late for you to win, be happy that Lebron will get what he never could

[niko]

Basically all the NBA greats (Barkely, Jordan, Bird, Miller, Webber (both of them said it the night Lebron did the decision) are just haters jealous of Lebron somehow?

You can't have it all. Lebron left to a team that already had a #1 option to have an easier shot at a title. People will point this out, win or lose. If Lebron doesn't want people to point out he went to a team that already had a #1 option, he shouldn't have went to Miami.

[Papaya Petee]

In his prime, Barkley was better than any the 3 Divas.
Now he gets paid for his opinion.

He wins, you lose.
Lmao okay.

[Da_Realist]

I find it ironic what Barkley said when he scorched the earth in an effort to get out of Philly because....he wanted to play with more talented teammates. Went to Phoenix and immediately won the MVP and went to the Finals. He didn't have a problem teaming up with KJ, but I'm to believe he would have had a problem teaming with D-Wade for a chance to win a title?

The criticism that Lebron is taking is ridiculous. I'm talking about the decision, not the way he made the decision. Sure, that's Wade's city and has been his team but he is no longer the best player on that team. People are looking at the wrong thing. Basketball should be about winning, not trying to be Michael Jordan. That's why I can't stand watching 85% of the season. Everything about the game is geared toward the player and not the team. The Lakers are in the Finals? Who cares? Let's talk about Kobe's legacy! The game is too individualistic.

Playing with great players is a talent, too. Winning with little help shouldn't be the only way we evaluate players. That's why Larry Bird is so underrated -- because he had great teams surrounding him. But today's fans miss his true talent -- being able to blend in and make all that greatness work. I think Lebron is the same way.

For the truly great players, the only way we see the full depth of their talent is by seeing them play with talent. How great of a chef can you be if the only thing you have to work with is discounted food and cheap appliances? Anybody can make mac & cheese. Michael Jordan was great when he had no talent but we only saw 80% of what he was capable of because he was pulling so much weight. When Scottie and the rest of the Bulls started playing well, we were able to see that other level. Is it a coincidence that most people consider 90-92 Jordan's absolute best years? Nope.

Let's give Lebron a chance. We don't know what he's capable of when surrounded by talented players. Maybe now that Lebron doesn't have to score every point, grab every rebound and block every shot, we'll see his mind pick apart weaknesses in the defense, know when to attack, when to set up, when to do the dirty work, when to take over and when to relax. We may see Lebron's true game come out and we got so many people writing him off. It's ridiculous. If Lebron is capable of that other level, we all win -- except for the teams they will be facing. Maybe Lebron is the one who gets the bigger picture and the rest of us are behind.

[Carbine]

I find it ironic what Barkley said when he scorched the earth in an effort to get out of Philly because....he wanted to play with more talented teammates. Went to Phoenix and immediately won the MVP and went to the Finals. He didn't have a problem teaming up with KJ, but I'm to believe he would have had a problem teaming with D-Wade?

The criticism that Lebron is taking is ridiculous. I'm talking about the decision, not the way he made the decision. Sure, that's DWade's city and has been his team but he is no longer the best player on that team. People are looking at the wrong thing. Basketball should be about winning, not trying to be Michael Jordan. That's why I can't stand watching 85% of the season. Everything about the game is geared toward the player and not the team. The Lakers are in the Finals? Who cares? Let's talk about Kobe's legacy! The game is too individualistic.

Playing with great players is a talent, too. Winning with little help shouldn't be the only way we evaluate players. That's why Larry Bird is so underrated -- because he had great teams surrounding him. But today's fans miss his true talent -- being able to blend in and make all that greatness work. I think Lebron is the same way.

For the truly great players, the only way we see the full depth of their talent is by seeing them play with talent. How great of a chef can you be if the only thing you have to work with is discounted food and cheap appliances? Anybody can make mac & cheese. Michael Jordan was great when he had no talent but we only saw 80% of what he was capable of because he was pulling so much weight. When Scottie and the rest of the Bulls started playing well, we were able to see that other level. Is it a coincidence that most people consider 90-92 Jordan's absolute best years? Nope.

Let's give Lebron a chance. We don't know what he's capable of when surrounded by talented players. Maybe now that Lebron doesn't have to score every point, grab every rebound and block every shot, we'll see his mind pick apart weaknesses in the defense, know when to attack, when to set up, when to do the dirty work, when to take over and when to relax. We may see Lebron's true game come out and we got so many people writing him off. It's ridiculous. If Lebron is capable of that other level, we all win -- except for the teams they will be facing. Maybe Lebron is the one who gets the bigger picture and the rest of us are behind.

Read this.

[gibbo3000]

Basically all the NBA greats (Barkely, Jordan, Bird, Miller, Webber (both of them said it the night Lebron did the decision) are just haters jealous of Lebron somehow?

You can't have it all. Lebron left to a team that already had a #1 option to have an easier shot at a title. People will point this out, win or lose. If Lebron doesn't want people to point out he went to a team that already had a #1 option, he shouldn't have went to Miami.
Barkley is the only one going hard at Lebron

All the others are saying that they personally wouldnt have done it but they aren't making a big deal about it

[Lebron23]

Great posts by Da_realists, and Gibboo3000.

[Rasheed1]

Charles just needs to STFU. This is the same dude that trashed the 76'ers and asked for a trade cuz he wasn't winning. And I don't believe if he and MJ were both free agents at 25 and could play together that he wouldn't want to play with MJ.

I'm not saying LBJ or Wade are MJ. But you get the point. Back in the 80's contracts were longer and way different. Charles is full of it.


^^this is what Im talking about...

Charles was such a disruptive force here in Philly when he wanted out that it is downright despicable to hear him get mad at another player for leaqing his team to play on a better one

Barkley tried his best to tear this organization apart once his mind was made up....

Charles is a low character guy... great player... but he contradicts himself an awful lot and he just talk too much.... he should think about some of the things he has done before [scottie]he opens his fat mouth[/pippen]

[Rasheed1]

I find it ironic what Barkley said when he scorched the earth in an effort to get out of Philly because....he wanted to play with more talented teammates. Went to Phoenix and immediately won the MVP and went to the Finals. He didn't have a problem teaming up with KJ, but I'm to believe he would have had a problem teaming with D-Wade for a chance to win a title?

The criticism that Lebron is taking is ridiculous. I'm talking about the decision, not the way he made the decision. Sure, that's Wade's city and has been his team but he is no longer the best player on that team. People are looking at the wrong thing. Basketball should be about winning, not trying to be Michael Jordan. That's why I can't stand watching 85% of the season. Everything about the game is geared toward the player and not the team. The Lakers are in the Finals? Who cares? Let's talk about Kobe's legacy! The game is too individualistic.

Playing with great players is a talent, too. Winning with little help shouldn't be the only way we evaluate players. That's why Larry Bird is so underrated -- because he had great teams surrounding him. But today's fans miss his true talent -- being able to blend in and make all that greatness work. I think Lebron is the same way.

For the truly great players, the only way we see the full depth of their talent is by seeing them play with talent. How great of a chef can you be if the only thing you have to work with is discounted food and cheap appliances? Anybody can make mac & cheese. Michael Jordan was great when he had no talent but we only saw 80% of what he was capable of because he was pulling so much weight. When Scottie and the rest of the Bulls started playing well, we were able to see that other level. Is it a coincidence that most people consider 90-92 Jordan's absolute best years? Nope.

Let's give Lebron a chance. We don't know what he's capable of when surrounded by talented players. Maybe now that Lebron doesn't have to score every point, grab every rebound and block every shot, we'll see his mind pick apart weaknesses in the defense, know when to attack, when to set up, when to do the dirty work, when to take over and when to relax. We may see Lebron's true game come out and we got so many people writing him off. It's ridiculous. If Lebron is capable of that other level, we all win -- except for the teams they will be facing. Maybe Lebron is the one who gets the bigger picture and the rest of us are behind.


:applause: couldnt have said it better myself

[Harison]

Washed up? :rolleyes:. All 3 started TOGETHER on the WC All Star team in 1996. I didn't know washed up players did that. Hakeem averaged 27/11. Barkley 23/12. Clyde 19/7/6. You know what makes it all worse? Barkley actually lost to Hakeem twice in the playoffs! Hakeem's the reason why Charles couldn't win in Phx. So what did he do? He joined him! I'm certainly no fan of LeBron's decision, but at least him and Wade have no playoff history.
And Celtics Big3 also were All-stars last year, do you want to suggest they werent washed up too? :oldlol: Houston Big3 also were 34, 34 and 33 respectively, on a clear decline.

Bottom line: if you dont have competitive fire in yourself, you wont see the problem why its wrong for superstars in primes to stack up. While its obvious if players are on decline its no problem to team up, in most fans eyes as well. For example, when Celtics Big3 formed, majority were happy that Ray Allen, Garnett and Pierce could win a ring before they retire, same majority said about Nash, Grant Hill, etc.

This all discussion is quite pointless, those who like competition (including superstars like Jordan or Bird) say why they would have made different choice, and those who lack competitive fire, cant understand why its an issue. Simple as that.

[Andrei89]

lol u r a retard...no point arguing with u...is that how u argue with everybody?


I love them when they get all mad and upset:lol

[The_Yearning]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]You cats rank your MVP vote based on the team winning 50 games.

So why is saying one player is better than the other because they won the championship any different?

You want to say Lebron has better stats across the board,

but then say Lebron has a scrubby team.

When Kobe had his scrubby team,

he had better stats than Lebron ever did.


by MARK GREY

6.26.10



When you ask most Kobe Haters (we will call them KH for short) to talk about Kobe, the first thing you will hear is,

[Da KO King]

Charles is full of it. He went and joined the Rockets while he was still a very productive player. Plus when Clyde Drexler left Barkley went into full on recruitment mode get Scottie Pippen to join up. Barkely needs to just stop.

[GOBB]

Playing Charles Barkley defense lawyer. Could the reason he be going hard at Lebron due to the fact he believe Bron is special enough to be the best to ever do it? Even better than Michael? So to see him team up with Wade is disappointing to him. While Barkley may have pulled similar tactics, he may feel he was never as good or billed to be as good as Lebron can be. And to see Lebron possibly jeopardize that with this teaming up will probably affect his legacy. One in which Barkley had faith in that Bron could be the GOAT.

Or is this still balloney and you want to know how much my endorsement deal with Oscar Meyer is?

[PowerGlove]

This legacy stuff is overblown.

[niko]

Playing Charles Barkley defense lawyer. Could the reason he be going hard at Lebron due to the fact he believe Bron is special enough to be the best to ever do it? Even better than Michael? So to see him team up with Wade is disappointing to him. While Barkley may have pulled similar tactics, he may feel he was never as good or billed to be as good as Lebron can be. And to see Lebron possibly jeopardize that with this teaming up will probably affect his legacy. One in which Barkley had faith in that Bron could be the GOAT.

Or is this still balloney and you want to know how much my endorsement deal with Oscar Meyer is?

I thought Lebron was going to out Michael MJ. it's rare talents like this come along and to see one give up any claim on the GOAT legacy (which isn't going to happen more than once a generation if that) pissed me off. And it probably is just me and others giving Lebron credit for something that wasn't in him, nor something he gave a shit about.

[Bladers]

This legacy stuff is overblown.
Because you love Lebron that's why.
To you, bron bron can do no wrong... :confusedshrug:

[Da KO King]

All this damaged legacy stuff is silly. If LeBron James goes on to average 25p/10r/12a per game for the next 10 years while winning 6 championships his legacy will be that of the greatest ever.

[PowerGlove]

Because you love Lebron that's why.
To you, bron bron can do no wrong.
Well thought out.

How did it take you to copy and paste that?

[Bladers]

Well thought out.

How did it take you to copy and paste that?

Then tell me you don't love Bron.
Tell me...
You can't and your post on all Lebron threads prove it.
And your post on all Kobe threads proves your a hater aswell.

Just Come clean.
Face the Truth and embrace it.

[ProfessorMurder]

Charles is full of it. He went and joined the Rockets while he was still a very productive player. Plus when Clyde Drexler left Barkley went into full on recruitment mode get Scottie Pippen to join up. Barkely needs to just stop.

The years in Houston the most games he started was 53, and the most he played was 68. He still averaged a double double, but his numbers were down and got worse every year. He was also in his 13th year and 33 when he joined.

Drexler was 34 and in his 14th year.
Olajuwon was in his 13th year and 34.
When Pippen joined in place of Drexler he was 33 and in his 12th year.

Totally different situation.

[Da KO King]

Totally different situation.
To me it's not. When you recognize that your current organization simply is not run well enough to succeed you move on. Charles did it in Philly and Phoenix. I don't view age as a important factor. Simply wasting years in a no-win situation is just as stupid at a young age as it would be at an older one.

[Simple Jack]

You cats rank your MVP vote based on the team winning 50 games.

So why is saying one player is better than the other because they won the championship any different?

You want to say Lebron has better stats across the board,

but then say Lebron has a scrubby team.

When Kobe had his scrubby team,

he had better stats than Lebron ever did.


How is:

35pts 5 reb 4.5 ast on 45% FG

better than

30 pts 7 reb 8.6 ast on 50% FG


???

In fact, there are about 3 of LeBron's seasons that are better than Kobe in 05-06.

[game3524]

This legacy stuff is overblown.

Because it is about Lebron.....

[Bladers]

How is:

35pts 5 reb 4.5 ast on 45% FG

better than

30 pts 7 reb 8.6 ast on 50% FG


???

In fact, there are about 3 of LeBron's seasons that are better than Kobe in 05-06.

So i guess 30 is better than 35...
Hmm. How many 60 point games did Lebron have.
What about 50? or 40....
How many records did Lebron break?

Hmmm... I wonder.....:ohwell:

[ProfessorMurder]

To me it's not. When you recognize that your current organization simply is not run well enough to succeed you move on. Charles did it in Philly and Phoenix. I don't view age as a important factor. Simply wasting years in a no-win situation is just as stupid at a young age as it would be at an older one.

I agree that someone can leave a team if they don't like the way things are heading... I don't bash them for their decisions or immediately hate them like a lot of people do now, but LeBron/Wade/Bosh is a different scenario than Hakeem/Drexler/Barkley.

LeBron/Wade/Bosh are in their primes, signed as free agents, and they are 2 of the top 4 players and another top 15.

Hakeem/Drexler/Barkley were past their primes(Hakeem was at the tail end), Drexler and Barkley were both traded to get to the Rockets.

[ProfessorMurder]

How is:

35pts 5 reb 4.5 ast on 45% FG

better than

30 pts 7 reb 8.6 ast on 50% FG


???

In fact, there are about 3 of LeBron's seasons that are better than Kobe in 05-06.

I don't know what argument you guys are having, but I agree that Bron's 300/7/8.6/50% numbers are better.

[branslowski]

LeBron isn't Piggybacking...More like reverse Cowgirling :oldlol:

[Tito Beasley]

"I still think Lebron is the best player in the game. Kobe Bryant had more help, with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and those guys..."


lol

[Round Mound]

You're a scared Kobe fan that can't stand the fact it's not looking all smooth and dandy this upcoming season. You have a new team to deal with, get over it.

I'm a retard? For what, thinking Lebron and Wade are better than Barkley? Yes, I'm delusional... :rolleyes:

A two time MVP being better than Barkley?... no way...
A player averaging 25/5/5 over his career and having one of the best finals series ever better than Barkley? ... no way...

Take off your Kobe homer glasses and get his nuts out ya mouth. You Kobe fans are seriously pathetic. Nothing better to do then make hate threads about Lebron. Good on you.

Barkley averaged 27.3 PPG (47.6% FG), 13.0 RPG and 5.5 APG in the 1993 Finals that even after game 2`s elbow injury which affected his shooting. That is better than Kobe has aver averaged in a Finals regarding ofcourse SG and PF spots

[tpols]

Barkley averaged 27.3 PPG (47.6% FG), 13.0 RPG and 5.5 APG in the 1993 Finals that even after game 2`s elbow injury which affected his shooting. That is better than Kobe has aver averaged in a Finals
yes those 6 games clearly prove he's better than kobe:rolleyes:

Kobe put up way more points and assists than barkely throughout his career. Funny how you're using FG% and rebounding to discredit a SG over a PF. Do you even understand the mechanics of basketball?

[Replay32]

Kobe and wade are not better all around than barkley. But they play different positions(have different jobs on the flippin' court), so comparing them is dumb.

[Goon Time]

http://chicitysportsfan.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Delonte-Bron.jpg


http://chicitysportsfan.com/wp/2010/07/the-nwo-of-the-nba/

[Round Mound]

yes those 6 games clearly prove he's better than kobe:rolleyes:

Kobe put up way more points and assists than barkely throughout his career. Funny how you're using FG% and rebounding to discredit a SG over a PF. Do you even understand the mechanics of basketball?

He shot more that is why he scored more. Barkley hardly ever shot more than 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG in his Career to Score 21.6 PPG (rounded up 22) on 58.13% Two-Point FG (that is Shaq like) and he scored 22.5 PPG (rounded up 23) on 55.13% 2-Point FG in the play-offs.

He averaged 12.9 RPG in the Play-Offs too. And for season and play-off career near to 4 APG. Barkley`s offensive rating was off the charts per possesion and lead to score, 2nd only to Magic of All Time.

Ofcourse Bryant averaged more APG. He is a SG but for a SG that plays with Bynum-Gasol-Odom he would need to average atelast 8 APG every year to impress me :rolleyes:. Not even close to the stats Barkley has pulled in the Play-Offs. Not to mention Chucks PER, PURE EFF and Statistical Plus/Minus which is Top 10 of All Time. Only one other player has had that Impact; a dude named MJ.

Not to mention they changed the rules cause of Barkley while for Bryant the made it easier.

:violin:

[niko]

I don't think anyone is suggesting Lebron couldn't or shouldn't leave Cleveland (and if they are, i disagree with the premise). I think the premise is more along the lines of that if/when Lebron wins with Wade, it clearly won't be as impresive as winning as the alpha dog. I get the joining up to win title thing, i don't get how people equate Barkley at age 35 with his legs going to total shit and him being 75% barkley the same as Wade and Lebron doing it at age 25.

it's not a bad decision, but when you stack the deck on your own behalf, you wind up with less individual praise. it's just how it is.

I'm sure a lot of you play ball. You judge teams on victories, you judge individuals on a lot of other thigns too.

[Simple Jack]

So i guess 30 is better than 35...
Hmm. How many 60 point games did Lebron have.
What about 50? or 40....
How many records did Lebron break?

Hmmm... I wonder.....:ohwell:


30 on 50% in addition to the other edges LeBron has is better than Kobe on 35 (45%) and whatever else he has.

And it's funny you mention all these records despite Kobe blowing a 3-1 lead in the first round that year. Is it about winning or not? LeBron had a lot more success those years than Kobe did in the playoffs.

[Simple Jack]

I don't know what argument you guys are having, but I agree that Bron's 300/7/8.6/50% numbers are better.

The troll was trying to state that Kobe's 05-06 season is better than any of LeBron's seasons. (And by a considerable amount according to him).
:wtf:

[RazorBaLade]

30 on 50% in addition to the other edges LeBron has is better than Kobe on 35 (45%) and whatever else he has.

And it's funny you mention all these records despite Kobe blowing a 3-1 lead in the first round that year. Is it about winning or not? LeBron had a lot more success those years than Kobe did in the playoffs.

yes kobe blew the 3-1 lead, he was also carried to that 3-1 lead in the first place by the likes of kwame brown and smush parker. When lebron has a better team its about the star player carrying the team more but kobe has a better team last year and its oh man just wait till lebron gets players with his talent

[Simple Jack]

yes kobe blew the 3-1 lead, he was also carried to that 3-1 lead in the first place by the likes of kwame brown and smush parker. When lebron has a better team its about the star player carrying the team more but kobe has a better team last year and its oh man just wait till lebron gets players with his talent

I was using his logic. Not mine.

[Mor'Fiyah]

30 on 50% in addition to the other edges LeBron has is better than Kobe on 35 (45%) and whatever else he has.

And it's funny you mention all these records despite Kobe blowing a 3-1 lead in the first round that year. Is it about winning or not? LeBron had a lot more success those years than Kobe did in the playoffs.

Seems like I am always pointing out fallacies in your argument. You cannot just out and out say that 30 points on 50% shooting is better than 35 points on 45% shooting without accounting for 3 point shooting %s and FTs. And its entirely possible that rebounds and assists are unfairly weighted when taking into consideration PER. Lebron was more efficient according to someone else's measurement of efficiency. Kobe Bryant had the season people will remember. People can average 8 rebounds.. or 8 assists... or 30 points. When was the last time you saw someone average 35 points regardless of how many assists and rebounds they had? And its not as if Kobe was a slouch in those departments either.

[RazorBaLade]

I was using his logic. Not mine.

o.

[Simple Jack]

Seems like I am always pointing out fallacies in your argument. You cannot just out and out say that 30 points on 50% shooting is better than 35 points on 45% shooting without accounting for 3 point shooting %s and FTs. And its entirely possible that rebounds and assists are unfairly weighted when taking into consideration PER. Lebron was more efficient according to someone else's measurement of efficiency. Kobe Bryant had the season people will remember. People can average 8 rebounds.. or 8 assists... or 30 points. When was the last time you saw someone average 35 points regardless of how many assists and rebounds they had? And its not as if Kobe was a slouch in those departments either.

Who are you?

In any event, I never stated that LeBron's 30 on 50% is flat out better than Kobe's 35 on 45%. Did you not bother to read what else I wrote in the post? I said IN ADDITION to the other edge's LeBron has over Kobe (the assists, rebounds, blocks). The 5 points is hardly enough to make it a more efficient (or MUCH MORE according to Bladers) season, let alone the better one.

In addition, you just laid out the premise that since more people remember it, it means it's the better season. I won't even get into how logically flawed that is but I'm sure you already know.

Using any measure of efficiency or game score (for the average) or PER, you have LeBron edging out Kobe by a considerable margin.