Why is A 31 year old Kobe Bryant Underrated?

[Bladers]

I haven't seen someone so underrated when they reached 30 like Kobe Bryant has. Everyone is talking about how he is declining and loosing a step. People on ISH are actually saying he would average 25 or 26 ppg. Charles Barkley was on TNT saying Kobe can't score 30 anymore.

It is ridiculous the amount of undervaluation Kobe receives when he is still performing at top form. People don't appreciate what he does, It's like toss him in the trashcan he is old.

Who else in the league is 31 years old and still scoring 27ppg, 5 rebs, 5 ast?
No one, not even the players that he was compared to. Not even the Notable D-wade who apparently is better than Kobe, which in itself is blasphemy.

Here are some of the players he was compared to early in his career. This is what they are doing now.

Tracy Mcgrady, 9 ppg in the last three years..
Vince Carter, 16.6 ppg.
Allen Iverson 13ppg.

But Kobe is still playing ball, avging 29ppg in the playoffs, 36 ppg in the Jazz/Suns series and yet people are saying kobe is decling. He is not, he is still a contender for the MVP and scoring champion and could easily put up 30 ppg next season if gets healthy during this summer.

But yes, Kobe is getting old, Yes he is not as fast, as explosive.
But Kobe is still Kobe, just because he doesn't have that explosive impact anymore, doesn't mean he doesn't have an impact. I mean the man is 31 and still outscores d-wade. :applause:

[Sarcastic]

Because he was hurt last year.

If he gets healthy, I expect him to win his second MVP next year. Lebron and Wade are now out of the running for it. If Kobe can lead the Lakers to a strong record with good stats, he can easily win.


<-Kobe Hater

[PowerGlove]

Kobe came out of HS.

LOL@ you comparing his current stats to Iverson's.

[knightfall88]

Don't forget that Kobe came in the 2010 season in top form. Its only because of the injuries that he has slowed down. Lets hope he can recover from it.

[Scoooter]

Because he's lost a step. He's a skillful player, however, who has managed to adjust his game as to affect a negligible drop in production. I haven't really seen anyone, even on this crazy forum, claim that he was, at worst, somehow less than the second best active shooting guard. At worst. Most probably have him at #1.

[Bladers]

Kobe came out of HS.

LOL@ you comparing his current stats to Iverson's.

What difference does that make?

Kobe Bryant Years Pro: 13
Allen Iverson Years Pro: 13

[PowerGlove]

What difference does that make?

Kobe Bryant Years Pro: 13
Allen Iverson Years Pro: 13

AGE.

[Bladers]

AGE.

He is three years older so what? Its the mileage on the leg that matters in the nba not just the date you were born. If you bought a car 3 years before mine and we had the same mileage.
It would basically be in the same quality, cause its the mileage that matters.

even at 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe

[BALLin01]

What difference does that make?

Kobe Bryant Years Pro: 13
Allen Iverson Years Pro: 13

Kobe Bryant age: 31
Allen Iverson age: 35

[Bladers]

Kobe Bryant age: 31
Allen Iverson age: 35

Like i said, its the pro mileage on your legs that matters the most not the date you were born. And like i previously pointed out, even in 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe

[PHILA]

even at 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe
And just the year before that he was at 33 ppg at age 30.

[icewill36]

hes overrated IMO...

[Bladers]

And just the year before that he was at 33 ppg at age 30.


With a shitty team though...
Kobe would had continued averaging 30+ if he didn't get pau gasol.
He just came from his 35ppg and 31 ppg.
He would had still been averaging 30+ till this day if he still played with kwame brown and smush.
The fact that he is still averaging 27+ with Pau Gasol and his crew speaks alot of Volume.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

:rolleyes: I see what you did there*attention whore*

[Bladers]

Get off the nutts, Mr. Kobe Bryant underrated ppsssssssss everyone still saying "Best Player in Da Game Today".

Those are kobe's fans who are saying that.
But the rest of the people are right now saying he can't even score more than 25/26 come next seaon.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Because he was hurt last year.

If he gets healthy, I expect him to win his second MVP next year. Lebron and Wade are now out of the running for it. If Kobe can lead the Lakers to a strong record with good stats, he can easily win.


<-Kobe Hater
Very true ... everyone forgets how DOMINANT and EFFECIENTLY DOMINANT he was before his finger / knee injuries this year.

Now would be Kobe's best chance (if he can fend off a young Durant) to get another MVP trophy.

I mean besides the fact he already should have arguable 3 or 4. 2006, 2007, and 2008 for sure ... 2003 debateable but certainly valid.

[Ronaldinho]

A guy who has great stats.He went to the finals every time that had a good team.Except one or two times.Being part of a team or being the leader.A guy who has 5 rings and dominate almost every aspect of the game.Is somehow underrated.

[cotdt]

i remember when they gave kobe the green light and he averaged nearly 50 for several weeks straight

[OnceInADECADE]

lmfao Kobe is clearly overrated big time cuz of this junk n what other kobe stans say bout him.

dude is just chucking out there i'm sorry hate me all u want but i see a big drop off this year 4 kobe.

btw why do u chuck when u have a good team? who is he trying impress out there, why chuck.

[gutterballer733]

btw why do u chuck when u have a good team? who is he trying impress out there, why chuck.
Ron Artest "chucks", Kobe does not chuck.

[OnceInADECADE]

i remember when they gave kobe the green light and he averaged nearly 50 for several weeks straight

yea that was good, but he is cleary a ball hog

[Tito Beasley]

I haven't seen someone so underrated when they reached 30 like Kobe Bryant has. Everyone is talking about how he is declining and loosing a step. People on ISH are actually saying he would average 25 or 26 ppg. Charles Barkley was on TNT saying Kobe can't score 30 anymore.

It is ridiculous the amount of undervaluation Kobe receives when he is still performing at top form. People don't appreciate what he does, It's like toss him in the trashcan he is old.

Who else in the league is 31 years old and still scoring 27ppg, 5 rebs, 5 ast?
No one, not even the players that he was compared to. Not even the Notable D-wade who apparently is better than Kobe, which in itself is blasphemy.

Here are some of the players he was compared to early in his career. This is what they are doing now.

Tracy Mcgrady, 9 ppg in the last three years..
Vince Carter, 16.6 ppg.
Allen Iverson 13ppg.

But Kobe is still playing ball, avging 29ppg in the playoffs, 36 ppg in the Jazz/Suns series and yet people are saying kobe is decling. He is not, he is still a contender for the MVP and scoring champion and could easily put up 30 ppg next season if gets healthy during this summer.

But yes, Kobe is getting old, Yes he is not as fast, as explosive.
But Kobe is still Kobe, just because he doesn't have that explosive impact anymore, doesn't mean he doesn't have an impact. I mean the man is 31 and still outscores d-wade. :applause:


You are very, very obsessed with a guy you've never met who happens to play basketball. The way you obsess over him on a message board is like he's your brother you grew up with and he needs your help making a plea for innocence.

Seriously, what is with your stalkerish kobe bryant fixation? Why have you honed in on one person you have absolutely no connection to, and decided to permanently glue your jaws to his balls?

Explain immediately.

[Tito Beasley]

The fact that he is still averaging 27+ with Pau Gasol and his crew speaks alot of Volume.


No it means he shoots volume. Even when his shot isn't falling and it's at the OBVIOUS expense of his team, he does not care. He hogs the ball and chucks anyway. Kobe is about only Kobe, and he only does the minimum amount of passing necessary to not get absolutely hammered by the media. Even then, his own teammates and coaches have said he tries way too hard to hog the ball and be the hero. He's not a team player. He's a selfish player who is lucky to play for such a strong franchise that has surrounded him with so much talent.

[tpols]

No it means he shoots volume. Even when his shot isn't falling and it's at the OBVIOUS expense of his team, he does not care. He hogs the ball and chucks anyway. Kobe is about only Kobe, and he only does the minimum amount of passing necessary to not get absolutely hammered by the media. Even then, his own teammates and coaches have said he tries way too hard to hog the ball and be the hero. He's not a team player. He's a selfish player who is lucky to play for such a strong franchise that has surrounded him with so much talent.
hey he still happened to win so...

[ukplayer4]

He is three years older so what? Its the mileage on the leg that matters in the nba not just the date you were born. If you bought a car 3 years before mine and we had the same mileage.
It would basically be in the same quality, cause its the mileage that matters.

even at 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe



:roll: seriously, a car?...really?

mileage of a player is so damn over extenuated on this board its rediculous, its got to the point now that kids like you think that age is not a factor at all....oh wait maybe you are just another kobe fan i.e lets just ignore all sane and rational reasoning to try and make kobe look better....gotcha.

[Ronaldinho]

No it means he shoots volume. Even when his shot isn't falling and it's at the OBVIOUS expense of his team, he does not care. He hogs the ball and chucks anyway. Kobe is about only Kobe, and he only does the minimum amount of passing necessary to not get absolutely hammered by the media. Even then, his own teammates and coaches have said he tries way too hard to hog the ball and be the hero. He's not a team player. He's a selfish player who is lucky to play for such a strong franchise that has surrounded him with so much talent.
This is underrate.You say like he shoots 20% and does 0 assists per game.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

Kobe is very old in terms of basketball years. The guy has been playing for 14 year now. It would be crazy to say that he isn't entering the twilight of his career.

[Solid Snake]

Oh Bladers you give us Kobe fans a bad name with your pure idiocy.

[jstern]

ur really really really retarded
He's not retarded, the aging process starts when a person makes it to the NBA, not before.

[Tito Beasley]

He's not retarded, the aging process starts when a person makes it to the NBA, not before.


So you think a 40 year old man who hasn't been playing hard nba seasons for the last 20 years can go out and be as athletic as he was when he was 20 years old? he can jump as high, run as fast, move as quick? You're saying humans don't age if they're not playing NBA basketball?


no, the guy was right. the OP, and you, are really, really, really retarded.

[D-nugz]

He's not retarded, the aging process starts when a person makes it to the NBA, not before.


LOL!!!!
You sir are funny :roll:

I haven't played 1 game in the NBA so I guess I would be 0 still, I have not aged one bit.
:oldlol:

[Bladers]

No it means he shoots volume. Even when his shot isn't falling and it's at the OBVIOUS expense of his team, he does not care. He hogs the ball and chucks anyway. Kobe is about only Kobe, and he only does the minimum amount of passing necessary to not get absolutely hammered by the media. Even then, his own teammates and coaches have said he tries way too hard to hog the ball and be the hero. He's not a team player. He's a selfish player who is lucky to play for such a strong franchise that has surrounded him with so much talent.

LMAO... You sound like kobe's shooting percentage is 10%!
Its baffles me the amount of hate in your post.:eek:

[Bladers]

lmfao Kobe is clearly overrated big time cuz of this junk n what other kobe stans say bout him.

dude is just chucking out there i'm sorry hate me all u want but i see a big drop off this year 4 kobe.

btw why do u chuck when u have a good team? who is he trying impress out there, why chuck.

This is coming from a 16 year old, Probably started watching basketball at age 12, who hasn't seen Kobe play in his prime or when he was young.

and now you have the nerve to call someone a stans? A Beasley groupie, a guy who overrates the epic bust Beasley.

LMAO... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I will bookmark this post for next year when Kobe comes up averaging 30 ppg and beasley fails to even average 15.

[Papaya Petee]

Kobe does nothing better at the basketball court then D-Wade except hit jumpers. He scored what? .5 points per game more? Cool, Wade was much more efficient. Not to mention CAREER wise D-Wade is scoring more PPG on a higher %. Wade is a much better playmaker, and decision maker. Easily the better passer as you can see by the APG. Better dealing with the double team, and doesn't stand on the wing with the ball holding it like Kobe often does.

Wade is better defensively then Kobe right now too. Faster, slides his feet better, arguably the GOAT shot blocker at the SG position, quick hands steals the ball, and doesn't get lazy like Kobe, who often doesn't close out on shooters.

Rebounding Kobe gets like .5 more rebounds per game, but he is 2 inches taller and D-Wade gets the same amount of offensive rebounds, which are more important then defensive rebounds.

If you really wanted to see a good comparison, look at the Boston series. 33\7\6 on 56% when they were doubling on him, trapping him, and doing everything they can, because Miami's second best player averaged 4 ppg on 16% FG. Kobe had the luxury of playing with Pau and other great role players, yet his FINALS MVP performance vs Boston sucked. People gave LeBron shit for averaging 26\8\7 on 44% vs Boston, yet Kobe barely shot 40% and continued to shoot bad jumpers.


Don't tell me D-Wade is not better then Kobe at this point of their careers, because you're wrong. But continue telling yourself how Kobe has the better " offensive arsenal" and is a " born leader"


EDIT: Also your an idiot when saying, oh yeah Kobe = 13 years in league AI= 13 years in league, they both have the same bones. Hell to the NO. Allen is 35 years old and played college ball, Kobe came straight out of high school.

[skaterbasist]

He's not retarded, the aging process starts when a person makes it to the NBA, not before.

So Iverson just sat down his entire college career? The aging process starts when you are born. Amazing fact isn't it? :wtf:

[Bladers]

Kobe does nothing better at the basketball court then D-Wade except hit jumpers.



Your a fool for this, Kobe not only has the best mid-range and unlimited range jumper, but he has the best post game.

All wade can do right now is slash to the basketball, Talk to me when he gets 31. We will see if he still has that explosive impact.



He scored what? .5 points per game more? Cool, Wade was much more efficient. Not to mention CAREER wise D-Wade is scoring more PPG on a higher %. Wade is a much better playmaker, and decision maker.



LOL your silly, Wade is not the better playmaker or decision maker, Kobe plays in the triangle offense. Wade doesn't, I say it's pretty equal when you look at it in context.



Easily the better passer as you can see by the APG.


Your foolish, the only reason Wade has more 1 more assist avg is because Kobe plays in the triangle offense.



Better dealing with the double team


How moronic, Kobe shoots over double teams and scores.
Wade doesn't, Wade tries to slash because right now he still young with fresh legs.



and doesn't stand on the wing with the ball holding it like Kobe often does.


How blind, this is because you don't watch lakers game.
Kobe doesn't stand around with the ball(which is what wade does), Kobe is always working in the post.



Wade is better defensively then Kobe right now too. Faster, slides his feet better, arguably the GOAT shot blocker at the SG position, quick hands steals the ball, and doesn't get lazy like Kobe, who often doesn't close out on shooters.


Now you must be trolling. How many defensive awards does Kobe has compared to wade?



Rebounding Kobe gets like .5 more rebounds per game, but he is 2 inches taller and D-Wade gets the same amount of offensive rebounds, which are more important then defensive rebounds.


Why i'm i taking to this fool with pure agenda and tries to justify Wade's weaknesses?



If you really wanted to see a good comparison, look at the Boston series. 33\7\6 on 56% when they were doubling on him, trapping him, and doing everything they can, because Miami's second best player averaged 4 ppg on 16% FG.


Did you even watch the game?
The defense on wade was like 5 feet away, they only doubled when he drove to the basket.

But look at the Kobe series, Allen was handchecking him, on him like glue.
and the double came when he even tries to drive in.



Don't tell me D-Wade is not better then Kobe at this point of their careers, because you're wrong. But continue telling yourself how Kobe has the better " offensive arsenal" and is a " born leader"


Kobe is better than Wade in Talents, Skills, Stats, Awards, Historic Performances, Rings and everything and it's not even close.

[The Iron Fist]

The same reason that Kobe Bryant ages 20-30 was underrated,

they just don't like him.

[boozehound]

how the **** is he underrated? can we please stop flooding the main forum with these ridiculous threads?

[skaterbasist]

Kobe does nothing better at the basketball court then D-Wade except hit jumpers. He scored what? .5 points per game more? Cool, Wade was much more efficient. Not to mention CAREER wise D-Wade is scoring more PPG on a higher %. Wade is a much better playmaker, and decision maker. Easily the better passer as you can see by the APG. Better dealing with the double team, and doesn't stand on the wing with the ball holding it like Kobe often does.

Wade is better defensively then Kobe right now too. Faster, slides his feet better, arguably the GOAT shot blocker at the SG position, quick hands steals the ball, and doesn't get lazy like Kobe, who often doesn't close out on shooters.

Rebounding Kobe gets like .5 more rebounds per game, but he is 2 inches taller and D-Wade gets the same amount of offensive rebounds, which are more important then defensive rebounds.

If you really wanted to see a good comparison, look at the Boston series. 33\7\6 on 56% when they were doubling on him, trapping him, and doing everything they can, because Miami's second best player averaged 4 ppg on 16% FG. Kobe had the luxury of playing with Pau and other great role players, yet his FINALS MVP performance vs Boston sucked. People gave LeBron shit for averaging 26\8\7 on 44% vs Boston, yet Kobe barely shot 40% and continued to shoot bad jumpers.


Don't tell me D-Wade is not better then Kobe at this point of their careers, because you're wrong. But continue telling yourself how Kobe has the better " offensive arsenal" and is a " born leader"

2009-2010 Season Statistics:

Wade: PPG: 26.6 - FG: 47.6% - Rebounds: 4.8 - Assists: 6.5 FT: 76.1%

Kobe: PPG: 27.0 - FG: 45.6% - Rebounds: 5.4 - Assists: 5.0 FT: 81.1%

I don't see how you believe Wade is "MUCH MORE" efficient than Kobe last season? :confusedshrug:

The triangle offense runs through Kobe. For him to be averaging 5 assists per game under that offense is nothing to look down on.

In terms of sheer numbers, I would give a slight edge to Dwayne Wade, which speaks volume about Kobe considering the 4 year age difference and 7 year difference in NBA seasons.

Given these circumstances, give me experience over those other statistics anytime. Kobe's overall season and playoff experience cannot be neglected.

[Bladers]

how the **** is he underrated? can we please stop flooding the main forum with these ridiculous threads?

Why teh *** is everyone on TV, Media saying kobe is decling and would avg like 25/26?
When dude is still playing in top form?

teh *** outta here, I'm saying Kobe at the age 31 is sooooooooo underrated.

[boozehound]

Why teh *** is everyone on TV, Media saying kobe is decling and would avg like 25/26?
When dude is still playing in top form?

teh *** outta here, I'm saying Kobe at the age 31 is sooooooooo underrated.
as usual, no quotes or sources, just your butthurt opinion. what did MJ just say about him in the last couple of weeks? KB gets praised non-stop but somehow you pathetic fanbois need constant validation for your insecure asses.

[Doo Doo_Brown]

Like i said, its the pro mileage on your legs that matters the most not the date you were born. And like i previously pointed out, even in 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe

There is no such thing as "mileage" when talking about the human body because the cells in our bodies are constantly dying and replacing themselves every day. At some point during their careers, all the cells in Bryant's and Iverson's bodies have been completely replaced. Certain types of cells, like bone cells for instance, have replaced themselves several times over.

The reason why older players skills decline is basically, they're getting old. As our bodies age, the ability to recover from microtrauma sustained during sports slows down due to the fact that cells regenerate slower or not at all.

Hopefully u learned something.

[catch24]

He's closer to being overrated than underrated to be honest.

[Papaya Petee]

Kobe has a better jumper post up and everything? Then why is he a less efficient scorer then Wade? Hey, you shoot fadeaways and make 45-46 out of 100, I will drive to the basket and make 48-50 out of 100.

Don't act like Wade only drives, Wade has one of the best mid-range games in the NBA. He gets his shot off anyone he wants. Also, you must be a absolutely idiot thinking Boston sagged 5 feet of off Wade. Is that why every interview every Boston player was in they were talking about how they wanted to do whatever they could to stop Wade, double, trap, pressure, hand in face on every shot, yet he averaged 42% 3 point and just destroyed them?

Kobe has less assists because he plays in the triangle? Why did he never break the 6 APG mark when Phil Jackson left? Wade has had seasons where he averages 7-7.5 and has never been below 6.5 except his rookie season.

Wade isn't a better decision maker? Are you frigging kidding me? Kobe is a decent passer, Wade is a great passer, same with LeBron, watch games, Wade always gets his teammates involved and passes out double teams and splits double teams like there's no tommorow. Kobe shoots out of double teams? Yeah how many times does he make those fadeaways on double teams?

How many defensive rewards does he have and how much does Wade have? Dude, the last 2-3 years Kobe did not deserve any of those rewards, its all reputation. Has Kobe ever finished top 3 in DPOY? Were not talking about 2000-2003 when Kobe was an excellent defender because Wade wasn't in the league, were talking about this 31 year old Kobe right now, who is not a better defender then Wade. Wade has a better defensive rating, and probably the best help-defender in the NBA.

You say Kobe is better in talents, Kobe did not come to the NBA being super talented, he worked and worked and worked his way up.

You say Kobe is better in stats, while Wade averages more PPG, APG, FG%, SPG, BPG when comparing their careers.

You say Kobe is better in skills, while Wade is the better passer, driver, ball handler and teammate. All Kobe does is have more ways to put the ball in the hoop, yet less efficiently.

You say Kobe is better in performances, yet in his 7 trips to the NBA FINALS he did not have one that was even close to the perfomance D-Wade had in 2005-2006.

You say Kobe is better in rings, yet 60% of his rings he was the #2 option, something Wade never was in his career. 2 Rings 2 Final MVPS (which one was a horrible series) vs 1 Ring 1 FINAL MVP (which was a historic series for Wade)

[Jacks3]

Wade sure as hell won't be dropping 27/5/5 on 55% TS in the regular season and then 29/6/6 on 57% TS in the post-season in his 14th season. I can guarantee that. And Kobe did it while being less than 100% healthy to boot. His longevity is incredible.

[Jacks3]

lol @ comparing Wade's Finals vs the soft ass Mavs against the historic/elite defenses Kobe has played. lol @ 29/8/4/2/1 on 53% TS being a "horrible" series.

[catch24]

lol @ comparing Wade's Finals vs the soft ass Mavs against the historic/elite defenses Kobe has played. lol @ 29/8/4/2/1 on 53% TS being a "horrible" series.

While I do believe Wade is the better all around player...Didn't Kobe torch that Mavs team for 62 that year? lol.

[Jacks3]

Exactly. Wade is the slightly better player now, but the MAVS D isn't even remotely close to the defenses Kobe has seen in his Finals.

[Yung D-Will]

He's not underrated at this point.

He's about equal to Wade.

He just has more mileage

[Bladers]

Kobe has a better jumper post up and everything? Then why is he a less efficient scorer then Wade? Hey, you shoot fadeaways and make 45-46 out of 100, I will drive to the basket and make 48-50 out of 100.


Are you dumb?
Post game is not driving to the rim..
Go back and study basketball fundamentals.




Don't act like Wade only drives, Wade has one of the best mid-range games in the NBA. He gets his shot off anyone he wants.


Teh *** outta here with that bs.
His mid-range doesn't come close to Kobes.
and no he doesn't.
Look back at the Lakers and Heats game last season, wade needed pick and rolls to get up a shot when Kobe was checking him. While Kobe doesn't he can pull up fadeaway on triple defenders and he does that.



Also, you must be a absolutely idiot thinking Boston sagged 5 feet of off Wade. Is that why every interview every Boston player was in they were talking about how they wanted to do whatever they could to stop Wade, double, trap, pressure, hand in face on every shot, yet he averaged 42% 3 point and just destroyed them?


They did sag off compared to the defense Kobe faced, i will pull up the video and show you later.



Kobe has less assists because he plays in the triangle? Why did he never break the 6 APG mark when Phil Jackson left? Wade has had seasons where he averages 7-7.5 and has never been below 6.5 except his rookie season.


He averaged 6 assists when Phil left, that of it self tells the whole story.



Wade isn't a better decision maker? Are you frigging kidding me? Kobe is a decent passer, Wade is a great passer, same with LeBron, watch games, Wade always gets his teammates involved and passes out double teams and splits double teams like there's no tommorow. Kobe shoots out of double teams? Yeah how many times does he make those fadeaways on double teams?


LMAO @ this
Watch his passes starting from 1:26 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKgaeAoa-g
and yes Kobe makes most of his doubled teamed fadeaways.



How many defensive rewards does he have and how much does Wade have? Dude, the last 2-3 years Kobe did not deserve any of those rewards, its all reputation. Has Kobe ever finished top 3 in DPOY? Were not talking about 2000-2003 when Kobe was an excellent defender because Wade wasn't in the league, were talking about this 31 year old Kobe right now, who is not a better defender then Wade. Wade has a better defensive rating, and probably the best help-defender in the NBA.



LOL @ this hater trying to diminish Kobe's accomplishments..




You say Kobe is better in talents, Kobe did not come to the NBA being super talented, he worked and worked and worked his way up.


You can't work your way up if your not talented.
Just like singers, they are gifted, but they still have to practice to get better and perfect their gift. The best singers in the history of mankind had thousands of hours of practice, though they were talented.


You say Kobe is better in stats, while Wade averages more PPG, APG, FG%, SPG, BPG when comparing their careers.

Are you serious? having .5 more steals or blocks doesn't meant shit.
What it all comes than to is points, rebounds and assists.
Kobe plays in the triangle so that affects his assists all through his career.
When phil left he avged 6, and if phil never came back he would had kept averaging +6/7.

and Kobe averages more points, LMAO.
Wade has only averaged 30 once in his career (08-09).
Kobe has done it three times.
Call me when Wade averages 35 ppg.

You see if Gasol never came, and Kobe continued playing with smush and kwame, he would have continued averaging 33+ points per game.

and ofcourse Kobe gets more rebound and it's not even close. Its nothing to do with whose 2 inches taller, they play the same position.







You say Kobe is better in skills, while Wade is the better passer, driver, ball handler and teammate. All Kobe does is have more ways to put the ball in the hoop, yet less efficiently.


Are you serious? Have you ever watched Kobe in his prime and when he was young? Or have you only watched him with his ***'ed up middle finger with huge tape on it which makes it impossible for him to dribble and handle the ball.

and what does teammates has to do with skill?
Phil jackson himself said Kobe is more talented and skilled than Jordan.
teh *** outta here.



You say Kobe is better in performances, yet in his 7 trips to the NBA FINALS he did not have one that was even close to the perfomance D-Wade had in 2005-2006.


LOL Isn't this the same Mavs who Kobe scored 62 points in three quarters?
That's what you call historic record performance. It's in the books.
Call me when Wade scores 81, Call me when he scores 4 50 straight point games. Call me when he scores 40+ in 9 games. Call me when he averages 45 points in 1 and half month.

Teh **** outta here.




You say Kobe is better in rings, yet 60% of his rings he was the #2 option, something Wade never was in his career. 2 Rings 2 Final MVPS (which one was a horrible series) vs 1 Ring 1 FINAL MVP (which was a historic series for Wade)

You didn't watch the 3 rings with Shaq because Kobe had a huge impact in the run so GTFO..

5 > 1

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

It seems like every week a nba player is saying Kobe is best in the game today, don't see how you guys actually believe what op is saying with these thought out posts*attention whoring*.

[jstern]

So you think a 40 year old man who hasn't been playing hard nba seasons for the last 20 years can go out and be as athletic as he was when he was 20 years old? he can jump as high, run as fast, move as quick? You're saying humans don't age if they're not playing NBA basketball?


no, the guy was right. the OP, and you, are really, really, really retarded.
Hahah, I was making fun of the OP's logic. I wasn't being serious.

[jstern]

LOL!!!!
You sir are funny :roll:

I haven't played 1 game in the NBA so I guess I would be 0 still, I have not aged one bit.
:oldlol:
That would be so awesome, if it all depended on making it to the NBA.

As a teenager I always wonder how it must feel to age, I just couldn't relate, so I couldn't really get a feel for it. And now that I'm 28, it's just not the same as before. Just a lot less energy when playing sports or whatever. Can't hustle like before. Makes me wonder if I have cancer.

[KenneBell]

Wow ISH does it again.

Fans overrate him and the haters cut him down to T-Mac status. :roll:

Kobe right now is a top 3 player in the NBA and a #9-10 player all time.

His longevity is great and his production is still elite. That's it.

[Bladers]

I making D-Wade Game 4 Analysis of Celtic's Defense video.

VS

Game 5 of Kobe's.
We will see the truth soon enough.

[mhg88]

Kobe just won his last title. No one cares anymore.

[Positive]

He's not retarded, the aging process starts when a person makes it to the NBA, not before.

Well shit, I think we found the solution to the aging process.

I can't believe this dude is calling someone else young, when he just said in a different thread Kobe has already cemented his place as the clear cut second best player ever with a likely possibility of passing Jordan.

[G-Funk]

Because he's lost a step. He's a skillful player, however, who has managed to adjust his game as to affect a negligible drop in production. I haven't really seen anyone, even on this crazy forum, claim that he was, at worst, somehow less than the second best active shooting guard. At worst. Most probably have him at #1.


who said u had to be quick/fast to be great?

[G-Funk]

No it means he shoots volume. Even when his shot isn't falling and it's at the OBVIOUS expense of his team, he does not care. He hogs the ball and chucks anyway. Kobe is about only Kobe, and he only does the minimum amount of passing necessary to not get absolutely hammered by the media. Even then, his own teammates and coaches have said he tries way too hard to hog the ball and be the hero. He's not a team player. He's a selfish player who is lucky to play for such a strong franchise that has surrounded him with so much talent.


Kobe in 13 years = 5

Clippers Franchise = 0

[Jacks3]

No it means he shoots volume. Even when his shot isn't falling and it's at the OBVIOUS expense of his team, he does not care. He hogs the ball and chucks anyway. Kobe is about only Kobe, and he only does the minimum amount of passing necessary to not get absolutely hammered by the media. Even then, his own teammates and coaches have said he tries way too hard to hog the ball and be the hero. He's not a team player. He's a selfish player who is lucky to play for such a strong franchise that has surrounded him with so much talent.
:roll: :roll: :roll: 5 rings.

[mhg88]

Kobe in 13 years = 5

Clippers Franchise = 0

Kobe at the end of his career = 5

[JustSaying]

Kobe at the end of his career = 5
Clippers at the end of the world = 0 :oldlol:

[hotsizzle]

He was having a career year until he got injured last year. Was averaging 30/6/5/2 on 48/85. After that, his scoring/efficiency fell hard

[LA_Showtime]

Kobe was dominant at the beginning of the year; some people actually thought he was playing the best basketball of his career, which I disagree with. Yes, his scoring was off the charts, but he wasn't facilitating the offense and it hurt the Lakers.

Like it or not, Kobe is on the decline.

[MasterDurant24]

I haven't seen someone so underrated when they reached 30 like Kobe Bryant has. Everyone is talking about how he is declining and loosing a step. People on ISH are actually saying he would average 25 or 26 ppg. Charles Barkley was on TNT saying Kobe can't score 30 anymore.

It is ridiculous the amount of undervaluation Kobe receives when he is still performing at top form. People don't appreciate what he does, It's like toss him in the trashcan he is old.

Who else in the league is 31 years old and still scoring 27ppg, 5 rebs, 5 ast?
No one, not even the players that he was compared to. Not even the Notable D-wade who apparently is better than Kobe, which in itself is blasphemy.

Here are some of the players he was compared to early in his career. This is what they are doing now.

Tracy Mcgrady, 9 ppg in the last three years..
Vince Carter, 16.6 ppg.
Allen Iverson 13ppg.

But Kobe is still playing ball, avging 29ppg in the playoffs, 36 ppg in the Jazz/Suns series and yet people are saying kobe is decling. He is not, he is still a contender for the MVP and scoring champion and could easily put up 30 ppg next season if gets healthy during this summer.

But yes, Kobe is getting old, Yes he is not as fast, as explosive.
But Kobe is still Kobe, just because he doesn't have that explosive impact anymore, doesn't mean he doesn't have an impact. I mean the man is 31 and still outscores d-wade. :applause:
People like you are one of the main reasons he is overrated.

[The_Yearning]

AGE.

T-Mac is younger than Kobe. VC is only 1 year older than Kobe. Pierce is only 1 year younger than Kobe. Wade is 4 years younger than Kobe, but too bad his peak will end 2 years from now.

[Scoooter]

who said u had to be quick/fast to be great?
I don't know. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

:confusedshrug:

[Ikill]

AGE.
age doesn't matter ai should of changed his game up a bit thats the reason kobes still playing at a high level. Oh and i'm a huge ai fan don't like kobe that much.

[Ikill]

T-Mac is younger than Kobe. VC is only 1 year older than Kobe. Pierce is only 1 year younger than Kobe. Wade is 4 years younger than Kobe, but too bad his peak will end 2 years from now.
Why will dwades prime end in 2 years?

[The_Yearning]

Why will dwades prime end in 2 years?

Cause he will be 30. Do you see Wade being as good as Bryant at age 30? Hell, I don't even think Wade will be as good as Bryant will be at age 33.

[MannyO]

In my opinion if kobe was at full health I don't see why his PPG would not increase and he will be more efficient. I still cannot believe how good he is playing with BROKEN FINGERS.

[RazorBaLade]

the sad thing is that this tard attracts ppl like tito who need to be wearing a helmet at all times, just ignore this guy or ur worse than him period

[PowerGlove]

age doesn't matter ai should of changed his game up a bit thats the reason kobes still playing at a high level. Oh and i'm a huge ai fan don't like kobe that much.
Honestly, it wouldn't matter at all if he changed his game up, the reason why he was getting his shot off was because of his speed and agility. You decrease that, all he can do is play off the ball and he has done that in the past whether people want to pretend otherwise is up to them.

[Ikill]

Cause he will be 30. Do you see Wade being as good as Bryant at age 30? Hell, I don't even think Wade will be as good as Bryant will be at age 33.
Has he shown any signs of slowing down? And do you know skilled wade is even if he loses his speed and explosiveness hes still a good player. Combine that with his length and strength

[Ikill]

Honestly, it wouldn't matter at all if he changed his game up, the reason why he was getting his shot off was because of his speed and agility. You decrease that, all he can do is play off the ball and he has done that in the past whether people want to pretend otherwise is up to them.
He should of gone to a more traditional pg

[ginobli2311]

Very true ... everyone forgets how DOMINANT and EFFECIENTLY DOMINANT he was before his finger / knee injuries this year.

Now would be Kobe's best chance (if he can fend off a young Durant) to get another MVP trophy.

I mean besides the fact he already should have arguable 3 or 4. 2006, 2007, and 2008 for sure ... 2003 debateable but certainly valid.

LOL

kobe had no argument over dirk whatsoever in 2007. none. not even close.

kobe had no argument to win in 06 either. he finished 4th. 4th place dude. he got half the points nash got. not even close.

and then 03. LOL. both duncan and KG were far better than kobe. again...not even close. kobe got a little more than half the points of duncan and kg. LOL

damn you kobe stans are awful.

[RazorBaLade]

LOL

kobe had no argument over dirk whatsoever in 2007. none. not even close.

kobe had no argument to win in 06 either. he finished 4th. 4th place dude. he got half the points nash got. not even close.

and then 03. LOL. both duncan and KG were far better than kobe. again...not even close. kobe got a little more than half the points of duncan and kg. LOL

damn you kobe stans are awful.

ban yourself

[PowerGlove]

ban yourself
:oldlol:

+1

[thejumpa]

Who the hell underrates a 31-year old Kobe Bryant?

Oh...and if you finish 4th in MVP voting, then you really don't have a real argument. Don't be fooled by gaudy scoring numbers. He went off that year but IDK, I never once thought he was a serious MVP candidate. Well, maybe as the season started, but not as time went on and I saw what the Lakers were doing....which was basically nothing.

[Poochymama]

He is three years older so what? Its the mileage on the leg that matters in the nba not just the date you were born. If you bought a car 3 years before mine and we had the same mileage.
It would basically be in the same quality, cause its the mileage that matters.

even at 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe


Your are simply wrong about those 3 years not mattering, AGE does matter, even more so than mileage does, but I do agree with your OP.

Of all the superstars of the 2000 era, Kobe is really the only one who has stayed in the top 3 throughout. He has slowed down a bit and lost some jumping ability, but has made up for it by improving his post play and jumper...very reminiscent of Jordan.

[tpols]

Your are simply wrong about those 3 years not mattering, AGE does matter, even more so than mileage does, but I do agree with your OP.

Of all the superstars of the 2000 era, Kobe is really the only one who has stayed in the top 3 throughout. He has slowed down a bit and lost some jumping ability, but has made up for it by improving his post play and jumper...very reminiscent of Jordan.
Yea it does matter because of repair pocesses in the body slowing down with age but kobe hasn't declined that much only because his midrange game and jumpshot are butter. He still has a chance to put up some more monster playoff numbers.

[macpierce]

the old man can still play :banana:

[LA_Showtime]

LOL

kobe had no argument over dirk whatsoever in 2007. none. not even close.

kobe had no argument to win in 06 either. he finished 4th. 4th place dude. he got half the points nash got. not even close.

and then 03. LOL. both duncan and KG were far better than kobe. again...not even close. kobe got a little more than half the points of duncan and kg. LOL

damn you kobe stans are awful.

Kobe had no chance in the 06-07 season. He was very good, but his game looked pedestrian compared to the 05-06 season.

No argument in the 05-06 season? Really? Bias is clouding your judgment. The only reason he didn't win was because his supporting cast sucked and because everyone's goal was to make Nash the most overrated player int he league.

02-03? He didn't really have an argument for MVP, but that was because it was Shaq's team. However, he was definitely a top 3 player and was easily the second best player in the playoffs... you know, when it counts most.

[PowerGlove]

Kobe was not a top three player in 02-03, you guys should stop revising history on this site.

[LA_Showtime]

Kobe was not a top three player in 02-03, you guys should stop revising history on this site.

Whoops; what I meant to write is that he was arguably a top 3 player. Then I get more leeway from the weirdos like yourself.

He was the second best player in the playoffs. Even if you can't discount that fact.

[PowerGlove]

Whoops; what I meant to write is that he was arguably a top 3 player. Then I get more leeway from the weirdos like yourself.

He wasn't better than Shaq,Duncan and Garnett. Not arguably. I hate that word.


He was the second best player in the playoffs. Even if you can't discount that fact.

Why can I not discount it? Because he scored the most? Kidd and Duncan have a say in that argument too.

[LA_Showtime]

He wasn't better than Shaq,Duncan and Garnett.



Why?

Uh, who was better?

I guess you can discount that fact, but that's only because you're a biased poster.

[Poochymama]

Yea it does matter because of repair pocesses in the body slowing down with age but kobe hasn't declined that much only because his midrange game and jumpshot are butter. He still has a chance to put up some more monster playoff numbers.

agreed

[PowerGlove]

Uh, who was better?

I guess you can discount that fact, but that's only because you're a biased poster.

Yeah, I'm biased.:rolleyes:

[Yung D-Will]

Don't ever mention 2003 Duncan and 2003 Kobe in the same sentence.

[LA_Showtime]

Don't ever mention 2003 Duncan and 2003 Kobe in the same sentence.

You just did, brah.

[Yung D-Will]

You just did, brah.
:roll: :roll:

[ginobli2311]

Kobe had no chance in the 06-07 season. He was very good, but his game looked pedestrian compared to the 05-06 season.

No argument in the 05-06 season? Really? Bias is clouding your judgment. The only reason he didn't win was because his supporting cast sucked and because everyone's goal was to make Nash the most overrated player int he league.

02-03? He didn't really have an argument for MVP, but that was because it was Shaq's team. However, he was definitely a top 3 player and was easily the second best player in the playoffs... you know, when it counts most.

listen carefully

kobe had an argument for the best player in the game in 06. but not a case for mvp. the two are very different.

you would think people on a message board would understand that. you can't win mvp when your team gets the 7th seed. is it unfair to kobe that his team sucked? of course. but it was unfair to KG that his teams sucked as well when he was great. it happens all the time to great players. kobe is no different.

again. kobe had NO CASE WHATSOEVER FOR MVP IN 06. he has a case for best player. the two are completely different. please learn before you post. thanks.

[ShaqAttack3234]

However, he was definitely a top 3 player and was easily the second best player in the playoffs... you know, when it counts most.

Nah, Shaq vs Kobe was debatable in 2003, I mean the team was 5-10 without Shaq and in the playoffs, Kobe had a poor series vs the Spurs.

Kobe could have won MVP in 2006, I mean there was no obvious candidate, 2007 is a stretch given the 42 wins, but he started off the season playing team basketball and LA started off 26-13 which is way better than they should have been, but injuries hurt the team and Kobe stopped a losing streak with an insane scoring binge.

Kobe was the best player in the league IMO in '06 and '07 so he should have atleast gotten consideration.

[Jacks3]

Kobe was dominant at the beginning of the year; some people actually thought he was playing the best basketball of his career, which I disagree with. Yes, his scoring was off the charts, but he wasn't facilitating the offense and it hurt the Lakers.

Like it or not, Kobe is on the decline.
:roll:

[Jacks3]

, Kobe had a poor series vs the Spurs.


Dude was playing with a ****ed up shoulder. Nice of you not to mention that. ****ing Shaq stans. :facepalm

[ShaqAttack3234]

Why I click view post with idiotic posts like Jacks is beyond me.

If Kobe had a ****ed up shoulder then he shouldn't have been chucking 26.5 shots per game in the series and trying to do too much and as a result averaging almost 1 more turnover than assist.

[Jacks3]

The point is that Kobe was clearly injured. It's hilarious how you'll always willing to excuse Shaq, but not Bryant. And he shot a lot because the Shaq/Kobe supporting cast was absolute garbage that year. Calm down.:facepalm

[Poochymama]

Why I click view post with idiotic posts like Jacks is beyond me.



Is he the same person as TheLogo? Their writing styles are remarkably similar.

[Jacks3]

:facepalm

[tpols]

Is he the same person as TheLogo? Their writing styles are remarkably similar.
I don't think so. Just their avatars.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Shaq averaged 25/14/4/3 that series on 56% shooting and what? 17 shots per game? So why the hell was Kobe jacking up over 26 shots per game when he wasn't playing well offensively and Shaq was?

[Jacks3]

lol dude can't read. And he shot a lot because the Shaq/Kobe supporting cast was absolute garbage that year. Besides, Kobe still averaged something like 32/6/3/2 in that series while going up against the best perimeter defender and best defensive team in the league while playing injured. lol @ that being a bad series. Stupid Shaq fans. Always trying to downplay Bryant. :facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

Kobe Bryant was clear cut MVP in 2006 and 2007. 2003 and 2008 he had stiff competition and its highly debatable. Its an absolute travesty that Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki were MVPs in those consecutive years.

[AirJordan23]

Kobe Bryant was clear cut MVP in 2006 and 2007. 2003 and 2008 he had stiff competition and its highly debatable. Its an absolute travesty that Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki were MVPs in those consecutive years.
http://i38.tinypic.com/2dqogg0.jpg

:facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/kobface.jpg

[ShaqAttack3234]

As far as MVP voting in 2003? Duncan was the obvious choice, IMO, followed by Garnett and then I'd throw McGrady in there who had an incredible season. I'd rank Kobe 4th as far as my MVP rankings for the year, though that's different from who the best players were and in what order.

I was shocked to see that Ben Wallace got a first place MVP vote in 2003. :wtf:

[Mr. Jabbar]

He is only underrated by haters, every fan with knowledge and every nba retired/active player would pick kobe before younger "superstars" right now. His work ethics and skills have gotten him to the very top and climbing...

[Samurai Swoosh]

As far as MVP voting in 2003? Duncan was the obvious choice, IMO, followed by Garnett and then I'd throw McGrady in there who had an incredible season. I'd rank Kobe 4th as far as my MVP rankings for the year, though that's different from who the best players were and in what order.

I was shocked to see that Ben Wallace got a first place MVP vote in 2003. :wtf:
Kobe Bryant had a better season than McGrady ... Equally capable on offense, vastly superior defensive play

[LA_Showtime]

listen carefully

kobe had an argument for the best player in the game in 06. but not a case for mvp. the two are very different.

you would think people on a message board would understand that. you can't win mvp when your team gets the 7th seed. is it unfair to kobe that his team sucked? of course. but it was unfair to KG that his teams sucked as well when he was great. it happens all the time to great players. kobe is no different.

again. kobe had NO CASE WHATSOEVER FOR MVP IN 06. he has a case for best player. the two are completely different. please learn before you post. thanks.

You're an idiot. The fact that he was the best player in the game proves he had an argument for MVP. He didn't deserve it, obviously, but he was still in contention.

[LA_Showtime]

Nah, Shaq vs Kobe was debatable in 2003, I mean the team was 5-10 without Shaq and in the playoffs, Kobe had a poor series vs the Spurs.

Kobe could have won MVP in 2006, I mean there was no obvious candidate, 2007 is a stretch given the 42 wins, but he started off the season playing team basketball and LA started off 26-13 which is way better than they should have been, but injuries hurt the team and Kobe stopped a losing streak with an insane scoring binge.

Kobe was the best player in the league IMO in '06 and '07 so he should have atleast gotten consideration.

Shit. For whatever reason I thought of 01-02, not 02-03.

I'm not saying Kobe should have won MVP, but he was at least in the discussion, which Ginobli (Bruce) vehemently denies.

[ginobli2311]

You're an idiot. The fact that he was the best player in the game proves he had an argument for MVP. He didn't deserve it, obviously, but he was still in contention.

1. its not a fact that kobe was the best player in the game those years

2. how do you define contention? of course he was in "contention"...he was in the top 5 voting. but he had no real chance to win in 03/06/07....there were other players clearly more deserving

3. for the last time.....mvp is totally different than "best player in the game"....although i will tell you right now that kobe was definitely not the best player in the game in 03. he was not in the same league as duncan/shaq/kg. kobe has more of an argument for best player in 06 and 07. although give me duncan for sure over kobe both years. and give me wade for sure over kobe in 06.

[branslowski]

1. its not a fact that kobe was the best player in the game those years

2. how do you define contention? of course he was in "contention"...he was in the top 5 voting. but he had no real chance to win in 03/06/07....there were other players clearly more deserving

3. for the last time.....mvp is totally different than "best player in the game"....although i will tell you right now that kobe was definitely not the best player in the game in 03. he was not in the same league as duncan/shaq/kg. kobe has more of an argument for best player in 06 and 07. although give me duncan for sure over kobe both years. and give me wade for sure over kobe in 06.


:facepalm

[Yung D-Will]

As far as MVP voting in 2003? Duncan was the obvious choice, IMO, followed by Garnett and then I'd throw McGrady in there who had an incredible season. I'd rank Kobe 4th as far as my MVP rankings for the year, though that's different from who the best players were and in what order.

I was shocked to see that Ben Wallace got a first place MVP vote in 2003. :wtf:


Gotta love Big Ben <3

[catch24]

Going by the media criteria, Kobe having one MVP is about right. Now I'm not saying he had no business winning in '06 and '07 (the best player in the game at the time) but his team only won 40+ games.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Kobe Bryant had a better season than McGrady ... Equally capable on offense, vastly superior defensive play

No he didn't. McGrady had a much better scoring season and carried a team of scrubs to the playoffs and his cast wasn't even consistently on the court with trades and injuries.

[ginobli2311]

:facepalm

lol at comparing duncan in 03 to kobe. this is the problem with people. what duncan did in 03 is legendary. kobe got bounced in the 2nd round.

duncan in 03 in playoffs

25 points 15 boards 5 asssits 53% from the field and one of the best defensive players in the league en route to winning the title.

seriously. are you going to compare kobe to that? its just a joke on here now.
so now kobe in 03 is on duncan's 03 level?????? what????? GTFO.

[Yung D-Will]

Don't ever mention 2003 Duncan and 2003 Kobe in the same sentence.


/Still valid

[creepingdeath]

Kobe Bryant was clear cut MVP in 2006 and 2007. 2003 and 2008 he had stiff competition and its highly debatable. Its an absolute travesty that Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki were MVPs in those consecutive years.
Even Kobe himself said that Dirk deserves the 06/07 MVP.

[ginobli2311]

/Still valid

so true. i just can't believe people are willing to claim kobe was anywhere near duncan in 03.

60 wins and a title in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. a throttling of shaq/kobe in the 2nd round. unreal playoff numbers. 23 points 13 boards 4 assists 3 blocks in the regular season. 27.0 PER. one of the 2 or 3 best defensive players in the game.

kobe was never had a regular season and playoffs that even approach what duncan did in 03.

and again.....realizing debating is pointless on here if we call can't agree that duncan was head and shoulders better than kobe in 03. god damn i hate kobe stans.

[catch24]

so true. i just can't believe people are willing to claim kobe was anywhere near duncan in 03.

and again.....realizing debating is pointless on here if we call can't agree that duncan was head and shoulders better than kobe in 03. god damn i hate kobe stans.

Duncan was better in '03, anyone with a brain won't argue otherwise. Head and shoulders, though? No way.

Kobe averaged 30/6/7 playing first team all D.

[branslowski]

Ginobli...No one said Kobe was better in 03.....But to say they weren't even in the same league is beyond retarded...Dude put up numbers that every goes nutty for LeBron over...30-7-6...Including his athletic ability, and his top notch skill set...During that season, it was a debate over who's the best...When the top guns in the league were Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Iverson, T-Mac and the rest...GTFO saying they weren't in the same league...As if Kobe was some kind of Mo Williams being compared to Chris Paul..


F*cking retarded ass Kobe haters...

[tpols]

Ginobli...No one said Kobe was better in 03.....But to say they weren't even in the same league is beyond retarded...Dude put up numbers that every goes nutty for LeBron over...30-7-6...Including his athletic ability, and his top notch skill set...During that season, it was a debate over who's the best...When the top guns in the league were Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Iverson, T-Mac and the rest...GTFO saying they weren't in the same league...As if Kobe was some kind of Mo Williams being compared to Chris Paul..


F*cking retarded ass Kobe haters...
Ginobli was also arguing that lebron was the most clutch player in the league last year and easily better than kobe:facepalm

[RonySeikalyFTL]

Ginobli...No one said Kobe was better in 03.....But to say they weren't even in the same league is beyond retarded...Dude put up numbers that every goes nutty for LeBron over...30-7-6...Including his athletic ability, and his top notch skill set...During that season, it was a debate over who's the best...When the top guns in the league were Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Iverson, T-Mac and the rest...GTFO saying they weren't in the same league...As if Kobe was some kind of Mo Williams being compared to Chris Paul..


F*cking retarded ass Kobe haters...

I agree, Kobe was great in 02-03. Easily one of his best seasons.

I think people are so quick to attack Kobe because they are tired of all the idiot Kobe fans on here spewing out garbage. The Kobe vs. Duncan debate is close; personally, I'd have to go with Duncan for a variety of reasons (better teammate, more efficient throughout his career, etc.) but I'm not going to say you're a retard for picking Kobe. They're both great players and both in a similar stratosphere.

However as close as these two are, I find it funny that none of the Duncan supporters come out and try to say TD > Jordan. But Kobe stans? All the time. It just goes to show how delusional some people can be.

[Dwade305]

I haven't seen someone so underrated when they reached 30 like Kobe Bryant has. Everyone is talking about how he is declining and loosing a step. People on ISH are actually saying he would average 25 or 26 ppg. Charles Barkley was on TNT saying Kobe can't score 30 anymore.

It is ridiculous the amount of undervaluation Kobe receives when he is still performing at top form. People don't appreciate what he does, It's like toss him in the trashcan he is old.

Who else in the league is 31 years old and still scoring 27ppg, 5 rebs, 5 ast?
No one, not even the players that he was compared to. Not even the Notable D-wade who apparently is better than Kobe, which in itself is blasphemy.

Here are some of the players he was compared to early in his career. This is what they are doing now.

Tracy Mcgrady, 9 ppg in the last three years..
Vince Carter, 16.6 ppg.
Allen Iverson 13ppg.

But Kobe is still playing ball, avging 29ppg in the playoffs, 36 ppg in the Jazz/Suns series and yet people are saying kobe is decling. He is not, he is still a contender for the MVP and scoring champion and could easily put up 30 ppg next season if gets healthy during this summer.

But yes, Kobe is getting old, Yes he is not as fast, as explosive.
But Kobe is still Kobe, just because he doesn't have that explosive impact anymore, doesn't mean he doesn't have an impact. I mean the man is 31 and still outscores d-wade. :applause:


If you get the **** out of ISH, were people most of the time are just trying to push your buttons being you are a dick rider, than you will see that Kobe iswidely regarded as the 1-3 top players int he nba. Nothing underrated about that. I know your a little kid and everything, but chill out dude, go outside and play or something bladers.

[LA_Showtime]

I agree, Kobe was great in 02-03. Easily one of his best seasons.

I think people are so quick to attack Kobe because they are tired of all the idiot Kobe fans on here spewing out garbage. The Kobe vs. Duncan debate is close; personally, I'd have to go with Duncan for a variety of reasons (better teammate, more efficient throughout his career, etc.) but I'm not going to say you're a retard for picking Kobe. They're both great players and both in a similar stratosphere.

However as close as these two are, I find it funny that none of the Duncan supporters come out and try to say TD > Jordan. But Kobe stans? All the time. It just goes to show how delusional some people can be.

For whatever reason people like to say that Lakers fans think Kobe > Jordan. Hardly anybody does. I don't think two obsessive posters should count.

[InspiredLebowski]

Don't you f*ckers get tired of these threads?

[creepingdeath]

Well, unfortunately TheLogo, griffmoney and Bladers make LA fans (undeservingly) look obsessive and stupid.

[TROLL_HUNTER]

As ever, the right answer is in the medium term, away from Kobe nutters and haters.

Kobe is doing great for his age, and regardless his age, too. theres no denial of that. Hes still a top 3 player in the league and for me thats fair enough. Considering him top 3 is just fair, neither underrate nor overrate.

However, in general terms i have to disagree with the original poster cos if any, Kobe is overrated by some biased media and fans. example: when it comes to the goat discussion. thats hysteral overrate. and in any case, media still protects and backs up Kobe no matter the circumstances. The fact that Kobe was given the finals MVP is the clearest example of him NOT being underrated but the opposite. His performance in the playoffs was from good to very good except for the playoff against Boston. In that one, he had a clearly lucklaster performance that would have been demolished if we were talking about Dirk, Lebron, Dwight. Actually, its the poorest performance i remember for a superstar in a final playoff. He got that mvp cos of his marketable name and thats it.

so, underrate? No, sir.

As a side note, I dont put all the blame on Kobe playing the superhero and eventually collapsing his team. The crazy pressure media and blind fans put on him is just too much. Also the coach as a role in it, but thats a different discussion.

[Peteballa]

Don't you f*ckers get tired of these threads?
lol'd I feel the same way

[whatever666]

Laughed to tears when i saw the title of this thread.... i deeply respects Kobes game, but he is more like overrated.

Some people still call him the best when infact Lebron is head and shoulders playing better than him right now and Durant is probably playing better than Kobe right now also, debatable if CP3/Dwight/Wade are more valuable aswell....

Why does this happen? Because Kobe is in the best team in the NBA, has fantastic teammates, fantastic coach, franchise, staff, everything at the level required to dominate the league and get the biggest team accomplishment (championship)....

So i guess, those who call Kobe the best still today (despite not playing the best) are those who value Championships over anything.... same people then who called Paul Pierce the best in the league when his team won a Championship in 2008 i guess? Hate how these people justify a players lack of talent/skill or simply the fact of the player not being the best anymore, by saying that he is still the best because he got a ring.....

[All Net]

Laughed to tears when i saw the title of this thread.... i deeply respects Kobes game, but he is more like overrated.

Some people still call him the best when infact Lebron is head and shoulders playing better than him right now and Durant is probably playing better than Kobe right now also, debatable if CP3/Dwight/Wade are more valuable aswell....

Why does this happen? Because Kobe is in the best team in the NBA, has fantastic teammates, fantastic coach, franchise, staff, everything at the level required to dominate the league and get the biggest team accomplishment (championship)....

So i guess, those who call Kobe the best still today (despite not playing the best) are those who value Championships over anything.... same people then who called Paul Pierce the best in the league when his team won a Championship in 2008 i guess? Hate how these people justify a players lack of talent/skill or simply the fact of the player not being the best anymore, by saying that he is still the best because he got a ring.....

Plenty will say Kobe is the best in the game which is fair enough but alot were saying Lebron before he joined Miami anyway. Lebron is certainly not head and shoulders better than Kobe. It is still very close and will remain close for now.

Lebron
Kobe
Wade

is the top 3. Maybe Durant will break into that group soon.

[indiefan24]

He got that mvp cos of his marketable name and thats it.

While I agree that an argument can be made for Gasol, I don't think Kobe received it simply because of his name.

[LA_Showtime]

lol at comparing duncan in 03 to kobe. this is the problem with people. what duncan did in 03 is legendary. kobe got bounced in the 2nd round.

duncan in 03 in playoffs

25 points 15 boards 5 asssits 53% from the field and one of the best defensive players in the league en route to winning the title.

seriously. are you going to compare kobe to that? its just a joke on here now.
so now kobe in 03 is on duncan's 03 level?????? what????? GTFO.

Kobe got bounced in the second round? I thought the team leader was supposed to take the blame, which would make it Shaq's fault. :oldlol:

[oh the horror]

Hmmm one reason for a 31 year old Bryant would be "underrated" is the fact that he has been in the league for so long.


The miles on Kobe's knees at this point far surpass any regular 31 year old.


He has played in the playoffs multiple years....even deep into the playoffs.


Plus the olympics, plus how many finals appearances?



The nagging injuries are already beginning.....his age has nothing to do with it. He is an "old" 31 year old by NBA standards.

[Monkey D Dragon]

Laughed to tears when i saw the title of this thread.... i deeply respects Kobes game, but he is more like overrated.

Some people still call him the best when infact Lebron is head and shoulders playing better than him right now and Durant is probably playing better than Kobe right now also, debatable if CP3/Dwight/Wade are more valuable aswell....

Why does this happen? Because Kobe is in the best team in the NBA, has fantastic teammates, fantastic coach, franchise, staff, everything at the level required to dominate the league and get the biggest team accomplishment (championship)....

So i guess, those who call Kobe the best still today (despite not playing the best) are those who value Championships over anything.... same people then who called Paul Pierce the best in the league when his team won a Championship in 2008 i guess? Hate how these people justify a players lack of talent/skill or simply the fact of the player not being the best anymore, by saying that he is still the best because he got a ring.....

Im glad you laugh to tears because after I saw ur post I almost died in tears because you fail so hard.

LeBron is not clear cut better then Kobe. Not yet. Kobe haters from day one love to put others ahead of him this is why he is underrated all his career besides Kobe stans.

Its pretty obvious u dont respect Kobe if you put CP3, Dhow, Wade or you just dont understand Basketball.

People need to understand Kobe makes that team COMPLETE not the other way around. Its funny how Kobe haters dont give Kobe any credit because they never watch the game or just dont understand wt f is going on during those games. Kobe dont draw double team and tripple team for no reasons and that makes others game a lot easier which stats can't keep track of.

You must be real dumb who the fck said Paul was the best player in 08? He was not even the best player in the team. No wonder you type some garbage cause you don't even know wtf ur talking about.

[Solid Snake]

However as close as these two are, I find it funny that none of the Duncan supporters come out and try to say TD > Jordan. But Kobe stans? All the time. It just goes to show how delusional some people can be.


What Kobe fans have said Kobe is better than Jordan? Maybe they were comparing specific periods of their careers, like comparing age, but not comparing them overall as players.

[Solid Snake]

Im glad you laugh to tears because after I saw ur post I almost died in tears because you fail so hard.

LeBron is not clear cut better then Kobe. Not yet. Kobe haters from day one love to put others ahead of him this is why he is underrated all his career besides Kobe stans.

Its pretty obvious u dont respect Kobe if you put CP3, Dhow, Wade or you just dont understand Basketball.

People need to understand Kobe makes that team COMPLETE not the other way around. Its funny how Kobe haters dont give Kobe any credit because they never watch the game or just dont understand wt f is going on during those games. Kobe dont draw double team and tripple team for no reasons and that makes others game a lot easier which stats can't keep track of.

You must be real dumb who the fck said Paul was the best player in 08? He was not even the best player in the team. No wonder you type some garbage cause you don't even know wtf ur talking about.


Punctuations are your friend, idiot.

And that's what gives Kobe fans like myself a bad name, dumbass pond scum like you.

[Monkey D Dragon]

Punctuations are your friend, idiot.

And that's what gives Kobe fans like myself a bad name, dumbass pond scum like you.


Someone didnt get any ***** lately. No one asked you if you like Kobes ****.

how about you write something that has to do with the topic dumbass little kid and yes ur right you do have a bad name.

[Rambis]

Kobe does nothing better at the basketball court then D-Wade except hit jumpers. He scored what? .5 points per game more? Cool, Wade was much more efficient. Not to mention CAREER wise D-Wade is scoring more PPG on a higher %. Wade is a much better playmaker, and decision maker. Easily the better passer as you can see by the APG. Better dealing with the double team, and doesn't stand on the wing with the ball holding it like Kobe often does.

Wade is better defensively then Kobe right now too. Faster, slides his feet better, arguably the GOAT shot blocker at the SG position, quick hands steals the ball, and doesn't get lazy like Kobe, who often doesn't close out on shooters.

Rebounding Kobe gets like .5 more rebounds per game, but he is 2 inches taller and D-Wade gets the same amount of offensive rebounds, which are more important then defensive rebounds.

If you really wanted to see a good comparison, look at the Boston series. 33\7\6 on 56% when they were doubling on him, trapping him, and doing everything they can, because Miami's second best player averaged 4 ppg on 16% FG. Kobe had the luxury of playing with Pau and other great role players, yet his FINALS MVP performance vs Boston sucked. People gave LeBron shit for averaging 26\8\7 on 44% vs Boston, yet Kobe barely shot 40% and continued to shoot bad jumpers.


Don't tell me D-Wade is not better then Kobe at this point of their careers, because you're wrong. But continue telling yourself how Kobe has the better " offensive arsenal" and is a " born leader"


I don't need to tell you. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and Charles Barkley all told you last season that Kobe was the best player in the NBA. Your opinion is more important than theirs???

I think it's funny that everyone touts LeBron, but everyone realizes that the points at the end of the game are the hardest to get, AND everyone knows that Kobe is the best player at that time. Why did LeBron go to Miami? So he didn't get blamed for not wanting the ball at the end of games. In every physical attribute LeBron >>> Kobe, but in game IQ and heart, the most important stats, Kobe >>>>>>> LeBron. And from what everyone is saying, LBJ is better than Wade, right?

[Andrei89]

Someone didnt get any ***** lately. No one asked you if you like Kobes ****.

how about you write something that has to do with the topic dumbass little kid and yes ur right you do have a bad name.


hmm i remember someone saying that "Somebody didn't get any ***** lately"" everytime you pointed out how dumb he is

Who was it. This is definetly a gimmick

[Ikill]

Im glad you laugh to tears because after I saw ur post I almost died in tears because you fail so hard.

LeBron is not clear cut better then Kobe. Not yet. Kobe haters from day one love to put others ahead of him this is why he is underrated all his career besides Kobe stans.

Its pretty obvious u dont respect Kobe if you put CP3, Dhow, Wade or you just dont understand Basketball.

People need to understand Kobe makes that team COMPLETE not the other way around. Its funny how Kobe haters dont give Kobe any credit because they never watch the game or just dont understand wt f is going on during those games. Kobe dont draw double team and tripple team for no reasons and that makes others game a lot easier which stats can't keep track of.

You must be real dumb who the fck said Paul was the best player in 08? He was not even the best player in the team. No wonder you type some garbage cause you don't even know wtf ur talking about.
Chris paul and dwade are better than kobe now. CP3 and dwade are the most underated players in the NBA.

[Calabis]

He is three years older so what? Its the mileage on the leg that matters in the nba not just the date you were born. If you bought a car 3 years before mine and we had the same mileage.
It would basically be in the same quality, cause its the mileage that matters.

even at 06-07 he was averaging 24 ppg. 3 years ago. still way lower than Kobe

So Kobe sitting on the bench the first two seasons, put on more mileage than Iverson at Georgetown and his rookie season???

Also lets factor in Iverson was the go to guy much of his career and had a heavier work load

Iverson 37584 minutes played 14 seasons 3205 minutes in playoffs 2179 College Minutes= 42968 minutes
Bryant 37366 minutes played 14 seasons 7811 minutes in playoffs= 45177 minutes

At 13 seasons as you pointed out

Iverson: 41238
Kobe: 41419

Iverson avg 41.1 minutes per game over his career
Kobe avg 36.6 minutes per game over his career

In my opinion age is a much more bigger factor than 2209 more minutes played or at the 13th season mark 181 more minutes played.

[G-Funk]

Well you need to look at who's underrating him. Look at the team/player that person roots for and you will get your anwser. Most likely you will get a Lebron/Wade fan, a Celtic fan, Bulls fans even thought they wanted him bad a few years back. Also Suns, Spurs and Kings fans hate on him but more due to the rivalry the teams had.

[Phong]

Iverson 37584 minutes played 14 seasons
Bryant 37366 minutes played 14 seasons

Now be a good boy, take Kobe's ***** out your mouth and go watch Kazaam againYou've heard of something called the playoffs right?

A.I playoffs minutes: 3205
Kobe playoffs minutes: 7811

A.I. career minutes: 37584 + 3205 = 40789
Kobe career minutes: 37366 + 7811 = 45177

45177 > 40789 http://images.gamekult.com/images/forum/icones/icon30.gif

[Calabis]

You've heard of something called the playoffs right?

A.I playoffs minutes: 3205
Kobe playoffs minutes: 7811

A.I. career minutes: 37584 + 3205 = 40789
Kobe career minutes: 37366 + 7811 = 45177

45177 > 40789 http://images.gamekult.com/images/forum/icones/icon30.gif

I already fixed my post prior to seeing your response, had to get all the numbers, check again please

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Ok, first of all, lets make something clear:


what the hell do you mean by "underrated"? we have to start defining the word to know if we are all on the same page.

If you are Kobe nutter you will claim that saying that hes not the BEST player in the league is "underrated" thats absolute bullshit. underrate Kobe is to say that hes only a ball-hog and a cancer or just top ten player in the league. that IS underrated

[sbw19]

Ok, first of all, lets make something clear:


what the hell do you mean by "underrated"? we have to start defining the word to know if we are all on the same page.

Probably means a step behind LeBron and Wade.

[Poochymama]

Ok, first of all, lets make something clear:


what the hell do you mean by "underrated"? we have to start defining the word to know if we are all on the same page.

If you are Kobe nutter you will claim that saying that hes not the BEST player in the league is "underrated" thats absolute bullshit. underrate Kobe is to say that hes only a ball-hog and a cancer or just top ten player in the league. that IS underrated


This, it really depends on how you define overrated/underrated. Saying Kobe is the third best player in the league isn't really underrating him, just like saying he is the best player in the league isn't really overrating him. It's when you say stuff like "clear cut best player" or "not even top 5" that he's being overrated/underrated.

[Rambis]

Probably means a step behind LeBron and Wade.

I don't really get how someone can say that. He may be a step slower than those guys, but only LeBron can claim to be better than Kobe. MJ, Magic, and Charles all said Kobe's the best still. Guess winning isn't what it used to be.

[thejumpa]

I don't really get how someone can say that. He may be a step slower than those guys, but only LeBron can claim to be better than Kobe. MJ, Magic, and Charles all said Kobe's the best still. Guess winning isn't what it used to be.

The reason why those guys say Kobe is the best is because he wins. If LeBron were to win the championship the last 2 years, or atleast 1 year, they probably would be saying the opposite. Same goes for Dwayne Wade. They can all score at will, lead their teams, and win ball games singlehandley. The only thing separating them is the quality of their teammates.

That being said, no one underrates Kobe Bryant. He's clearly still a top 5 player so there isn't anything to underrate.

[Rambis]

The reason why those guys say Kobe is the best is because he wins. If LeBron were to win the championship the last 2 years, or atleast 1 year, they probably would be saying the opposite. Same goes for Dwayne Wade. They can all score at will, lead their teams, and win ball games singlehandley. The only thing separating them is the quality of their teammates.

That being said, no one underrates Kobe Bryant. He's clearly still a top 5 player so there isn't anything to underrate.

1. I pretty much agree with everything you said. I believe former players will jump on the bandwagon of the winner.

2. I think top 3 myself, though of course you'd rather have KDurant from this point on cause he's got more of a future ahead of him.

3. If DWade is better than Kobe, as some people say, then there's no excuse for the Heat not to win it all this year. If LeBron could learn to play the post, it'd be pick and roll all day.

4. LeBron isn't the player Kobe is precisely because he doesn't work on the nuances of his game like Kobe does and has since he stepped foot in the league. He may be a nicer guy, but like Shaq, you may like him for his personality, but it won't win you championships. Determination wins. Will be interesting to watch.

[Yung D-Will]

Chris paul and dwade are better than kobe now. CP3 and dwade are the most underated players in the NBA.
And there goes another " special" person for the ignore list

[All Net]

And there goes another " special" person for the ignore list

Anytime a poster is in the red it normally gets your attention on what kind of poster they are.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Anytime a poster is in the red it normally gets your attention on what kind of poster they are.
:facepalm

There is more than a ton of crappy posters in the "green" ... so lose that theory, quick.

[ginobli2311]

i don't think kobe is underrated. he is clearly a top 5 player in the game.
my order:

1. wade
2. lebron
3. kobe
4. howard
5. durant

it depends on who is doing the list. but i'd say thats pretty fair to rate kobe in the top 3/5 currently.

[All Net]

:facepalm

There is more than a ton of crappy posters in the "green" ... so lose that theory, quick.

Indeed there is but is there one person who is in the red you would consider a good poster? they are neg repped alot for a reason.

[Rob123]

Why teh *** is everyone on TV, Media saying kobe is decling and would avg like 25/26?
When dude is still playing in top form?

teh *** outta here, I'm saying Kobe at the age 31 is sooooooooo underrated.


would you say you have kobes whole sack in your mouth, or just one ball?

go out get laid, Kobe has no idea who you are stop wasting your time.

[whatever666]

I don't really get how someone can say that. He may be a step slower than those guys, but only LeBron can claim to be better than Kobe. MJ, Magic, and Charles all said Kobe's the best still. Guess winning isn't what it used to be.

Magic would also call Lebron the best player in the NBA, especialy this year... he changed only his mind when he handed out that championship trophy to Kobe in the Finals...

Jordan calls Kobe the best based on winning aswell and based on career accomplishments..

I have never read anywhere or heard anywhere where Barkley called Kobe the best in the NBA, he would even get into funny verbal trashtalking on National TV with other commentators/analysts saying always that Lebron is better than Kobe....

Then you have millions of Legends like Jerry West who even drafted Kobe who said Lebron has surpassed him, Oscar Robertson and so on...

All opinions imo....

The only fact is that Lebron & Kobe are clearly the best in the NBA right now............

[Samurai Swoosh]

Indeed there is but is there one person who is in the red you would consider a good poster? they are neg repped alot for a reason.
There is only a hand full of people on these boards period I consider to be good posters.

Rep points mean absolutely nadda ... cause half the times its like minded idiots giving other like minded idiots rep points for their same remedial opinion.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I really wish Kobe hadn't gotten all of those nagging injuries this year. These are his numbers before the finger injury worsened, he had the back injury, knee injury and ankle injury.

29.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 4.6 apg, 2 spg, 48.2 FG%, 34 games

Now after the injury.

24.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 5.4 apg, 1.2 spg, 43.1 FG%, 39 games

And some clowns say the injuries didn't affect him. :oldlol: Kobe obviously isn't a 24/5/5, 43 FG% player and that kind of decline, particularly when his injuries first started being reported is no coincidence.

Kobe was my pick for MVP before the injuries. He looked unstoppable offensively, he was just destroying guys in the post and having his most efficient season.

[catch24]

There is only a hand full of people on these boards period I consider to be good posters.

Rep points mean absolutely nadda ... cause half the times its like minded idiots giving other like minded idiots rep points for their same remedial opinion.

Or repping themselves on their sock accounts.

And to answer the OP's question... No, Kobe isn't underrated. He's a top 3 player still going strong at 31 (32 in a week or so).

[Samurai Swoosh]

Or repping themselves on their sock accounts.
Exactly ...

You happen to be in that handful of good posters, btw

Rep points are :oldlol: at BEST

It's like valuing LeBron James stat padded lines from games well decided before the final buzzer, when he procures rebounds and drops points in meaningless sections of games.

:facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

I really wish Kobe hadn't gotten all of those nagging injuries this year. These are his numbers before the finger injury worsened, he had the back injury, knee injury and ankle injury.

29.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 4.6 apg, 2 spg, 48.2 FG%, 34 games

Before his 1st injury, I think he was averaging close to 32 ppg at one point.

He kicked it back up to those numbers overall for all four rounds of the playoffs ... even though he was still coming back from injury during the 1st round.

Look at his numbers from the 2nd round onwards ...

[Jacks3]

Kobe is ridiculously underrated. People putting guys like LeBron, Wade ahead of him. Calling him a top 3 players as if that's some sort of compliment. :facepalm

[AirJordan23]

Kobe is ridiculously underrated. People putting guys like LeBron, Wade ahead of him. Calling him a top 3 players as if that's some sort of compliment. :facepalm
http://i37.tinypic.com/10riy4w.jpg

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i37.tinypic.com/10riy4w.jpg
God that movie sucked ...

[catch24]

Exactly ...

You happen to be in that handful of good posters, btw

Thank you sir. You're not so bad yourself.


It's like valuing LeBron James stat padded lines from games well decided before the final buzzer

Guess that analogy works :oldlol:


And some clowns say the injuries didn't affect him. Kobe obviously isn't a 24/5/5, 43 FG% player and that kind of decline, particularly when his injuries first started being reported is no coincidence.

Anyone denying those injuries effected Kobe, just take a look at his FT%. I think Fatal9 posted his %'s before and after the injury... dude was like 75-77% (the lowest of his career). He was definitely the lead candidate for MVP prior to the injury.

[catch24]

http://i37.tinypic.com/10riy4w.jpg

Pretty much.

This is the same guy that said Jordan today would be nothing more than an OJ Mayo, or worse iirc. Uh, yeah, don't take him too seriously.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Before his 1st injury, I think he was averaging close to 32 ppg at one point.

He kicked it back up to those numbers overall for all four rounds of the playoffs ... even though he was still coming back from injury during the 1st round.

Look at his numbers from the 2nd round onwards ...

I thought his first injury was January, I know he was scoring more before Gasol returned.

Yeah, he was unstoppable vs Utah and Phoenix. Didn't he get his knee drained during the first round.

Semi-finals 32 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.8 apg, 52.3 FG%
Conference Finals 33.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg, 52.1 FG%, 43.2 3P%

He was doing it differently than how he was dominating before the injury. He wasn't posting up as much which just shows how versatile his game is.

I always laugh when people say Gasol is the team's MVP. Kobe is their leading scorer by a wide margin, their primary playmaker, go to guy in the clutch and he's been stepping up his defense in some key moments. Shut down Westbrook who was torching Fisher and then he shut down Rondo in the finals. Didn't he also slow Melo down in the conference finals in '09 when they put him on Melo?

Kobe's cast gets overrated. Bynum has been injured in the playoffs each year and can't give them consistently good production. Gasol is a great second option, but I've seen better. Odom was very good in the '09 run, but nothing amazing for a 3rd guy and he was very inconsistent this year. Fisher is a streaky combo guard whose big flaws are ignored because he's hit a few clutch shots. Artest was nothing more than an inconsistent role player this year. He had a few big moments, but he sure as hell didn't play like an all-star

Don't get me wrong, he has a good cast, but they get vastly overrated, particularly with an inconsistent bench.

[Bring-Your-Js]

I thought his first injury was January, I know he was scoring more before Gasol returned.

Yeah, he was unstoppable vs Utah and Phoenix. Didn't he get his knee drained during the first round.

Semi-finals 32 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.8 apg, 52.3 FG%
Conference Finals 33.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg, 52.1 FG%, 43.2 3P%

He was doing it differently than how he was dominating before the injury. He wasn't posting up as much which just shows how versatile his game is.

I always laugh when people say Gasol is the team's MVP. Kobe is their leading scorer by a wide margin, their primary playmaker, go to guy in the clutch and he's been stepping up his defense in some key moments. Shut down Westbrook who was torching Fisher and then he shut down Rondo in the finals. Didn't he also slow Melo down in the conference finals in '09 when they put him on Melo?

Kobe's cast gets overrated. Bynum has been injured in the playoffs each year and can't give them consistently good production. Gasol is a great second option, but I've seen better. Odom was very good in the '09 run, but nothing amazing for a 3rd guy and he was very inconsistent this year. Fisher is a streaky combo guard whose big flaws are ignored because he's hit a few clutch shots. Artest was nothing more than an inconsistent role player this year. He had a few big moments, but he sure as hell didn't play like an all-star

Don't get me wrong, he has a good cast, but they get vastly overrated, particularly with an inconsistent bench.

Most people know this, but would rather look the other way given any opportunity. So long as Bryant is playing at an All-NBA level with the greatest skill set in the game, his name will not be out of the conversation.

[Poochymama]

Indeed there is but is there one person who is in the red you would consider a good poster? they are neg repped alot for a reason.

Ginobli?? I may not always agree with what he has to say, but at least he tries to back up his arguments with logic and reasoning and he doesn't come off as an immature little kid.

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Kobe is ridiculously underrated. People putting guys like LeBron, Wade ahead of him. Calling him a top 3 players as if that's some sort of compliment. :facepalm

This is the typical comment that makes any normal ball fan overreact. Lunacy at its best. Shaqattack is not that far behind, though. stating his words laughing about other player being eventually the team's mvp , did you even watch the nba finals? Artest and Gasol beat the Celts while the superhero was having a night off. No hard feelings, either. every great player may have nights off, too. Kobe is one of the very few players for which there are always excuses and intrincate plots on why despite his eventual poor performance he managed to "motivate and lead his teammates to win" or some bullshit alike whereas when its Gasol having a bad night all the Kobe stans bang on him , stressing how bad Kobe has to win games on his own and so on. Its truly pathetic. If Lebron would have had a seven game like Kobe's there would be people yelling for his mvp being taken away from him

And please dont get me wrong. I will say it again. Kobe is top 3 in the league. maybe top 2. in what order he ranks i dont care cos the matter is pretty debatable and gives room for any valid argument. However, freaked out reactions like the previous posters tell where Kobe stands on the underrate/overrate balance

[Poochymama]

Claiming that it's ludicrous to put Wade or Lebron over Kobe is definitely overrating him quite a bit. Sure, saying Kobe is better than Lebron or Wade is one thing, but saying that he is head and shoulders above them is completely different, and quite frankly, wrong.

If I were to rate them I would say

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade

With the biggest(though still small) gap between 1 and 2.

[tpols]

Claiming that it's ludicrous to put Wade or Lebron over Kobe is definitely overrating him quite a bit. Sure, saying Kobe is better than Lebron or Wade is one thing, but saying that he is head and shoulders above them is completely different, and quite frankly, wrong.

If I were to rate them I would say

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade

With the biggest(though still small) gap between 1 and 2.
agreed. I don't think wade even has a case to be ahead of lebron. Kobe has a case to be ahead of lebron although I would still say lebron is better.

[Bring-Your-Js]

This is the typical comment that makes any normal ball fan overreact. Lunacy at its best. Shaqattack is not that far behind, though. stating his words laughing about other player being eventually the team's mvp , did you even watch the nba finals? Artest and Gasol beat the Celts while the superhero was having a night off. No hard feelings, either. every great player may have nights off, too. Kobe is one of the very few players for which there are always excuses and intrincate plots on why despite his eventual poor performance he managed to "motivate and lead his teammates to win" or some bullshit alike whereas when its Gasol having a bad night all the Kobe stans bang on him , stressing how bad Kobe has to win games on his own and so on. Its truly pathetic. If Lebron would have had a seven game like Kobe's there would be people yelling for his mvp being taken away from him

And please dont get me wrong. I will say it again. Kobe is top 3 in the league. maybe top 2. in what order he ranks i dont care cos the matter is pretty debatable and gives room for any valid argument. However, freaked out reactions like the previous posters tell where Kobe stands on the underrate/overrate balance

Excellent post. It's rather easy to distinguish between Laker fans and Kobe stans. I'm the former, and maybe because of that there's a slight subjective bias in debates regarding him but never to the point where everything that doesn't serenade him as the most flawless player in history is taken as a slight. Lebron has clearly been the most effective, dominant player in the league for the last few years at least. Kobe is remaining in the argument for reasons outside of his individual feats (such as three consecutive trips to the Finals), but also because he's remained at an All-NBA level with the widest range of skills in the league. That doesn't make him the best player. At his age and mileage, a neutral observer putting him in the Top 3 is a compliment at worst.

[Calabis]

I think he is far from underrated, he's slightly past his prime. I keep hearing about injuries....yeah that usually happens with age. He had fluid building up in his knees...he's not going to beat father time. Also Wade and Lebron are right on par with Kobe at this stage in his career...to me that speaks volumes to Kobe's greatness..these guys are in their prime yet neither is clearly better than him. Kobe is not underrated

[raptorfan_dr07]

Yeah, he was unstoppable vs Utah and Phoenix. Didn't he get his knee drained during the first round.

Semi-finals 32 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.8 apg, 52.3 FG%
Conference Finals 33.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg, 52.1 FG%, 43.2 3P%

I always laugh when people say Gasol is the team's MVP. Kobe is their leading scorer by a wide margin, their primary playmaker, go to guy in the clutch and he's been stepping up his defense in some key moments. Shut down Westbrook who was torching Fisher and then he shut down Rondo in the finals. Didn't he also slow Melo down in the conference finals in '09 when they put him on Melo?

Kobe's cast gets overrated. Bynum has been injured in the playoffs each year and can't give them consistently good production. Gasol is a great second option, but I've seen better. Odom was very good in the '09 run, but nothing amazing for a 3rd guy and he was very inconsistent this year. Fisher is a streaky combo guard whose big flaws are ignored because he's hit a few clutch shots. Artest was nothing more than an inconsistent role player this year. He had a few big moments, but he sure as hell didn't play like an all-star

Don't get me wrong, he has a good cast, but they get vastly overrated, particularly with an inconsistent bench.

ShaqAttack, I respect your opinions on things way more than most posters on this site, but come on now. You know better. Yes, Kobe put up great numbers against Utah and Phoenix. Those are also two pretty horrible defensive teams. I know, I know, this was supposed to be the "defensive minded" Phoenix Suns, but they still gave up multiple 30+ point quarters to the Lakers throughout that series and were allowing LA to score 100+ points per game. They still played horrible defense, having to resort to "p*ssy" zone.

He did not "shut down" Westbrook. He sagged several feet off him and dared him to shoot. Westbrook wasn't ready for it and missed all those open shots in Game 5. In Game 6, he bounced back with a much stronger game. Kobe played Westbrook exactly the same way he did in Game 5 and it didn't have the same effect. Even JVG and Mark Jackson were commenting on how the only difference between Game 5 and 6 was that Westbrook was knocking down all the jumpshots that Kobe was giving him. He also did not "shut down" Rondo. He played Rondo the exact same way as Westbrook, several feet off of him. Check Rondo's numbers against the Magic in the ECF, very similar to the Finals. I guess Jameer Nelson shut him down right? Rondo is bothered when he has to finish over length like Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, and Pau Gasol. Being a huge big man fan, I would think you would notice the defensive effect those guys had on Rondo. He actually shot better in the Finals than in the ECF(45% to 42%). In fact, his numbers are pretty much the same the entire playoffs except the second round when he had Mo Williams on him. And no, he did not slow Melo down. I remember that series. When Melo had Kobe on him, he was going to the post all day. There were several times in that series where he out muscled Kobe easily for offensive putbacks.

I agree that Pau Gasol is not the best or most important player on the Lakers. I have stated many times here that it's ridiculous to suggest that. However, one cannot overlook his play in this year's playoffs, particularly the first round against OKC and the Finals against Boston. Kobe playing rather pedestrian against OKC, and was downright putrid against Boston, save for the third quarter of Game 1 and the third quarter of Game 5. Gasol was much more consistent than Kobe throughout that series. Kobe trolls will point to Gasol's numbers on the road in Boston, but Kobe played terrible the whole time, including pivotal games at home, Games 2 and 7, in which Gasol played very well. They will say everyone shot poorly in Game 7, but refuse to acknowledge that while that's true, Kobe shot much worse than his teammates did(Artest, Odom, Fisher, and Gasol all shot 36% or better, while Kobe shot 25%). Prior to the creation of this Miami Heat team, Pau Gasol was the best second option in the league. Compared to the rest of the league, Kobe has had the most talented team in the league. Ron Artest is STILL one of, if not the best perimeter defender in the NBA. Lamar Odom would be starting on several other teams.

[Calabis]

ShaqAttack, I respect your opinions on things way more than most posters on this site, but come on now. You know better. Yes, Kobe put up great numbers against Utah and Phoenix. Those are also two pretty horrible defensive teams. I know, I know, this was supposed to be the "defensive minded" Phoenix Suns, but they still gave up multiple 30+ point quarters to the Lakers throughout that series and were allowing LA to score 100+ points per game. They still played horrible defense, having to resort to "p*ssy" zone.

He did not "shut down" Westbrook. He sagged several feet off him and dared him to shoot. Westbrook wasn't ready for it and missed all those open shots in Game 5. In Game 6, he bounced back with a much stronger game. Kobe played Westbrook exactly the same way he did in Game 5 and it didn't have the same effect. Even JVG and Mark Jackson were commenting on how the only difference between Game 5 and 6 was that Westbrook was knocking down all the jumpshots that Kobe was giving him. He also did not "shut down" Rondo. He played Rondo the exact same way as Westbrook, several feet off of him. Check Rondo's numbers against the Magic in the ECF, very similar to the Finals. I guess Jameer Nelson shut him down right? Rondo is bothered when he has to finish over length like Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, and Pau Gasol. Being a huge big man fan, I would think you would notice the defensive effect those guys had on Rondo. He actually shot better in the Finals than in the ECF(45% to 42%). In fact, his numbers are pretty much the same the entire playoffs except the second round when he had Mo Williams on him. And no, he did not slow Melo down. I remember that series. When Melo had Kobe on him, he was going to the post all day. There were several times in that series where he out muscled Kobe easily for offensive putbacks.

I agree that Pau Gasol is not the best or most important player on the Lakers. I have stated many times here that it's ridiculous to suggest that. However, one cannot overlook his play in this year's playoffs, particularly the first round against OKC and the Finals against Boston. Kobe playing rather pedestrian against OKC, and was downright putrid against Boston, save for the third quarter of Game 1 and the third quarter of Game 5. Gasol was much more consistent than Kobe throughout that series. Kobe trolls will point to Gasol's numbers on the road in Boston, but Kobe played terrible the whole time, including pivotal games at home, Games 2 and 7, in which Gasol played very well. They will say everyone shot poorly in Game 7, but refuse to acknowledge that while that's true, Kobe shot much worse than his teammates did(Artest, Odom, Fisher, and Gasol all shot 36% or better, while Kobe shot 25%). Prior to the creation of this Miami Heat team, Pau Gasol was the best second option in the league. Compared to the rest of the league, Kobe has had the most talented team in the league. Ron Artest is STILL one of, if not the best perimeter defender in the NBA. Lamar Odom would be starting on several other teams.

Beautiful post and what I highlighted he has been doing for years

Tex Winter couple of years ago:

"I'd like to see him play better defense," Winter said, adding that he had addressed the issue recently with Bryant but didn't come away with the idea that Bryant was intent on changing his approach.

"You know Kobe," Winter said with a chuckle. "He has his game plan. I think he heard me. But he feels there's a certain way he's got to play the game. But it doesn't involve a lot of basically sound defense."

Because the Lakers need so much of his effort at the offensive end, Bryant has adopted a save-energy plan on the defensive end, Winter said. "He's basically playing a lot of one-man zone. He's doing a lot of switching, zoning up, trying to come up with the interception.

"The way Kobe plays defensively affects the team," Winter added. "Anybody that doesn't play consistently good defense hurts the team. That's not only Kobe. Our other guards tend to gamble and get beat. Another problem is that the screen and roll is not played correctly."

[Noob Saibot]

lmao @ ANYONE who thinks Kobe Jordan is underrated. Kobe is one of the most hyped players of all time, second only to LeBron James. ridiculous thread.

[Jacks3]

lol @ using a quote by coach Tex Winters from 4 years as some sort of proof, and then turning around and completely disregarding the 1st Team Defensive teams Kobe makes voted by coaches. Idiots. :facepalm

[Solid Snake]

lmao @ ANYONE who thinks Kobe Jordan is underrated. Kobe is one of the most hyped players of all time, second only to LeBron James. ridiculous thread.


I'm gonna uppercut you off the bridge and make you get impaled on the spikes below.

[Calabis]

lol @ using a quote by coach Tex Winters from 4 years as some sort of proof, and then turning around and completely disregarding the 1st Team Defensive teams Kobe makes voted by coaches. Idiots. :facepalm

I know it was 4 years ago dumbass, that' the point, he's been playing garbage defense, yet still getting 1st team defense on reputation...same shit Jordan got after his retirement...Jordan was not deserving his last two seasons...the only difference is Kobe did that shit in his 20's, Jordan did that shit when he was old and broken down, now go back to the Church of Kobe and recite your Kobe prayer

[Jacks3]

You're a ****ing moron. You a coach as proof and then turn all around and dismiss the 28-29 coaches who vote him in? ****ing idiot. Kobe has more than deserved his 1st Team numbers each of the last 4 years. Which SG should be over him? That's what I thought. STFU you stupid dick.

[juju151111]

You're a ****ing moron. You a coach as proof and then turn all around and dismiss the 28-29 coaches who vote him in? ****ing idiot. Kobe has more than deserved his 1st Team numbers each of the last 4 years. Which SG should be over him? That's what I thought. STFU you stupid dick.
You said Mj was ojmayo. You can't talk.

[nysn]

I haven't seen someone so underrated when they reached 30 like Kobe Bryant has. Everyone is talking about how he is declining and loosing a step. People on ISH are actually saying he would average 25 or 26 ppg. Charles Barkley was on TNT saying Kobe can't score 30 anymore.

It is ridiculous the amount of undervaluation Kobe receives when he is still performing at top form. People don't appreciate what he does, It's like toss him in the trashcan he is old.

Who else in the league is 31 years old and still scoring 27ppg, 5 rebs, 5 ast?
No one, not even the players that he was compared to. Not even the Notable D-wade who apparently is better than Kobe, which in itself is blasphemy.

Here are some of the players he was compared to early in his career. This is what they are doing now.

Tracy Mcgrady, 9 ppg in the last three years..
Vince Carter, 16.6 ppg.
Allen Iverson 13ppg.

But Kobe is still playing ball, avging 29ppg in the playoffs, 36 ppg in the Jazz/Suns series and yet people are saying kobe is decling. He is not, he is still a contender for the MVP and scoring champion and could easily put up 30 ppg next season if gets healthy during this summer.

But yes, Kobe is getting old, Yes he is not as fast, as explosive.
But Kobe is still Kobe, just because he doesn't have that explosive impact anymore, doesn't mean he doesn't have an impact. I mean the man is 31 and still outscores d-wade. :applause:
good point

[asdf1990]

more like the most overrated chucker of all time.

[branslowski]

more like the most overrated chucker of all time.

:applause: Exactly...That chucker avg a record breaking 19fga pg for his career...And actually has a year where he shot the ball over 24 times..:eek:

[nysn]

people underrate him too much

[Ikill]

more like the most overrated chucker of all time.
Kobe is no better than tmac or ai he just been able to play for a better team and he doesn't get injured a lot.

[Ronaldinho]

Kobe is no better than tmac or ai he just been able to play for a better team and he doesn't get injured a lot.
:facepalm

[ginobli2311]

You're a ****ing moron. You a coach as proof and then turn all around and dismiss the 28-29 coaches who vote him in? ****ing idiot. Kobe has more than deserved his 1st Team numbers each of the last 4 years. Which SG should be over him? That's what I thought. STFU you stupid dick.

he makes first team all defense because of the following:

if coaches needed one player to guard the perimeter with the game on the line they would choose kobe. coaches have said this time and time again. and i agree with them. when kobe tries and focuses on defense he is easily one of the best defenders (perimeter) in the game.

here is the problem. kobe does not bring the intensity on defense very often.....even in the playoffs.....and he hasn't since about 02. watch the games....watch the tape. its just not the same as it used to be.....and its just not close to the level of defense that a battier or artest or even lebron brings now.

he makes the all defense team off reputation and potential.

and a big LOL at comparing Kobe to Jordan defensively. They aren't even on the same planet. its night and day.

[tpols]

he makes first team all defense because of the following:

if coaches needed one player to guard the perimeter with the game on the line they would choose kobe. coaches have said this time and time again. and i agree with them. when kobe tries and focuses on defense he is easily one of the best defenders (perimeter) in the game.

here is the problem. kobe does not bring the intensity on defense very often.....even in the playoffs.....and he hasn't since about 02. watch the games....watch the tape. its just not the same as it used to be.....and its just not close to the level of defense that a battier or artest or even lebron brings now.

he makes the all defense team off reputation and potential.

and a big LOL at comparing Kobe to Jordan defensively. They aren't even on the same planet. its night and day.
Maybe it's night and day in terms of how consistently they play it, but kobe's peak defensive play with the game on the line isn't night and day away from jordan's. Kobe can be argued for top defensive perimeter player of his era in terms of how he can play you when he has to in critical moments. The same can be said for jordan. It's not night and day.

[Bring-Your-Js]

Maybe it's night and day in terms of how consistently they play it, but kobe's peak defensive play with the game on the line isn't night and day away from jordan's. Kobe can be argued for top defensive perimeter player of his era in terms of how he can play you when he has to in critical moments. The same can be said for jordan. It's not night and day..

This argument is used consistently only because Kobe is getting dangerously close to topping the All-D team selections list. It's a ridiculous point.

LeBron James has only gotten All-D 1st team the last two years because of transition blocks and espn highlights.

See how stupid that sounds? Don't diminish accomplishments to serve an agenda, Period.

[ginobli2311]

Maybe it's night and day in terms of how consistently they play it, but kobe's peak defensive play with the game on the line isn't night and day away from jordan's. Kobe can be argued for top defensive perimeter player of his era in terms of how he can play you when he has to in critical moments. The same can be said for jordan. It's not night and day.

in certain moments....i totally agree. the problem is that he has not consistently been a great defender. all the stats back this up. all you have to do is look at the stats and watch the games.

kobe can be a great defender. but he rarely is. and its his potential to be great and his flashes of defensive greatness that get him first team all defenses.

again...comparing him defensively to jordan is laughable. jordan consistently guarded the other teams best perimeter players and had better stats to boot.

who would you rather have guarding the elite scorers in the game? kobe or artest/battier/bowen....all the great perimeter defenders of this era? throughout the course of a game....its definitely those elite defenders. with one play....maybe its kobe.