What is the ideal assist to turnover ratio for a star PG?

[Go Getter]

Please chime in on what you think the minimum standards [a/t-wise] for a star PG should be.

[TheLogo]

At leasat 2 to 1...

[Rizko]

infinity to 0

[Go Getter]

infinity to 0

did I have to put "realistically" in there for you to understand correctly?

[entropy35]

probably 2.5 to 1?

[Rizko]

did I have to put "realistically" in there for you to understand correctly?
:rolleyes:

I was joking, did I have to put "just a joke" in there for you to understand correctly? :hammerhead:

To answer realistically it would basically be what TheLogo said and be around a 2 to 1 ratio.

[Go Getter]

:rolleyes:

I was joking, did I have to put "just a joke" in there for you to understand correctly? :hammerhead:

To answer realistically it would basically be what TheLogo said and be around a 2 to 1 ratio.


Yeah well if the joke was funny then I would have known and responded in kind but it seemed like you wanted to be a smart ass.

Thanks for your input.

[TheLogo]

What are the assist to turnover stats for PG's last season?

Perhaps you can gauge a number but I still think it's 2 to 1.

[Yung D-Will]

Yeah well if the joke was funny then I would have known and responded in kind but it seemed like you wanted to be a smart ass.

Thanks for your input.
:roll:

[Go Getter]

What are the assist to turnover stats for PG's last season?

Perhaps you can gauge a number but I still think it's 2 to 1.

I just want to know what people's personal thoughts are on the subject.

I see a lot of people lauding 10-12 assist games but they are useless/not impressive imo, if the player has more than 4 turnovers.....[just an example]

[TheLogo]

My argument for 2 to 1 because that is a good base for PG's in the league. If a PG is looking to create more, there would be more turnovers, the exception may be the very elite PG's in the league.

For every 2 assists that's 4 to 6 points.....and for those 2 assists there is a turnover...and turnovers does not neccessarily equate to points from the other team.

So it's a pretty sound ratio.

[Deadpool]

I believe 3 assists to 1 turnover is fair enough and absolutely doable.

[momo]

I believe 3 assists to 1 turnover is fair enough and absolutely doable.

That's more about like it. The heat had a bonus built into Hardaways contract that went active if he finished the regular season with a 3 to 1 ratio.

[BigTicket]

I'd have to agree with a 3:1 ratio for a star PG. At least if that PG is looking to pass first. for more of a scoring PG you might be able to go a bit lower, though certainly still above 2:1.

[SCdac]

For a "star" point guard I think something close to a "handful" of assists for every 1 turnover is ideal (or what I'd tell a player to go after), but to be exact somewhere along lines of 3-4 to 1, for a really great, top of the line, play making point guard. Magic, Kidd, Stockton, etc, all of them in their primes had great ratio's. Wasn't uncommon for Magic to have 16 assists, 2 turnovers, you know? Much of it is about making sound decisions, regardless of the tempo, or if you're the best player on the team offensively. Having said that, point guards can definitely still be stars and effective without being ultra efficient, Tony Parker won a Championship and Finals MVP averaging 5.75 assists to 3.0 turnovers in 20 games against the Nuggets, Suns, Jazz, and Cavaliers, but he really earned the award by taking advantage of the moment and match up, and nearly dropping three 30 point games in the very low scoring sweep (he stepped up and hit 4 three's in the finals, about as many as he hit in 3 months leading up to the playoffs),

[HeddaGambler]

I'd have to agree with a 3:1 ratio for a star PG. At least if that PG is looking to pass first. for more of a scoring PG you might be able to go a bit lower, though certainly still above 2:1.

Career stats:

Chris Paul: 3,89
Dwill: 3,02
Kidd: 2,99
Nash: 2,97
Rondo: 2,91
Rose: 2,35
Billups: 2,31

John Stockton: 3,72

[HeddaGambler]

Wasn't uncommon for Magic to have 16 assists, 2 turnovers, you know?

According to the stats on nba.com, Magic`s ratio was actually just 2,89...

[bballer]

a gabajillion:0

[Go Getter]

a gabajillion:0
Jokes already been done son.

[Go Getter]

I'd say somewhere around three to one would be optimal. I'd hate to discriminate because of one or two tenths of a point though.

[RaceBannana]

I believe 3 assists to 1 turnover is fair enough and absolutely doable.

this, i read/heard somewhere that 3:1 is considered elite.

[demons2005]

Career stats:

Chris Paul: 3,89
Dwill: 3,02
Kidd: 2,99
Nash: 2,97
Rondo: 2,91
Rose: 2,35
Billups: 2,31

John Stockton: 3,72
one of the most worthless overrated stats in the game.

[Go Getter]

one of the most worthless overrated stats in the game.
Explain please.

[SCdac]

According to the stats on nba.com, Magic`s ratio was actually just 2,89...

Still that's not that bad over a long career (one of his best seasons was 3.26 A/T ratio), it's closer to 5:1 than it is to 1:1, which is more than a PG like Steve Francis can say with a career 1.71 A/T ratio. A higher ratio (3.0+) is what PG's should "aim for" game-by-game, even if it's not doable over a long span of games. You're going to have to have great games efficiency-wise at some point, at least to be an above-average point gaurd. Like Billups' A/T ratio of 2.58 back in 2005 doesn't seem all that sexy, but it wouldn't even be that good without some 8 assist/0 turnover or 7 assists/1 turnover games thrown in there (went on to have a 4.89 A/T ratio in the 05 Finals). The overall stat can be a bit misleading (like any), but the ability to do that well even for a string of games is important IMO, even if it's inevitably balanced out with some worse outings. Chris Paul's +4.0 A/T ratio is about as perfect as it gets right now, but for an average star point guard a minimum of 2:1 at least. But even then it's not always the best measure of the best player, Stephen Curry is a great passer and player yet finished with a 1.93 A/T ratio, none the less, I'd still take him over say current Mike Bibby who was top-5 in A/T ratio last season.

[Deadpool]

this, i read/heard somewhere that 3:1 is considered elite.
Exactly I believe I read an article somewhere one time and it said that 3:1 is the best it could get for an elite PG in the NBA.