Inception review, with spoilers

[macmac]

Spectacular film. Still fresh in my head, I'm pretty impressionable, I was driving my car back home and was like, what if this is a dream?

Anyways, it was a very refreshing original concept. Beautiful cinematography, great musical composition, amazing script, great casting....definitely a must see :applause:

It felt much shorter than it actually was, which is good when a film lasts 2.5hrs. It kept the audience enthralled throughout which is rare when it comes to a film of this complexity. The action, special effects, and strength of the plot kept the viewers interested even during the necessary dialogue scenes that explained Nolan's vision of a subconscious universe.

The movie will definitely bring some debate to ISH, in a positive way.

Anyways, can't wait till more people see it so it can spark some interesting discussions....

[xcesswee]

I can't wait to see it. Did you watch it in IMAX?

[Dizzle-2k7]

i just saw it too.. effin incredible. cant wait to see it again.

[macmac]

I can't wait to see it. Did you watch it in IMAX?

Nah regular screen, was a last minute kind of thing. Im sure the special effects on IMAX must be even more intense, but for me, the special effects weren't what really wowed me.

I actually had a bit of a problem with the sound at the beginning, it was hard to make out some of the dialogue early on. I wonder if the sound in an IMAX theatre would come out as crisper or be distorted further....

[Kobe4life]

did u record it with a camcorder? upload it to megaupload thanks in advance

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high for this. That always ends up backfiring on me. But, I've heard nothing but good things and I'm anxious to check it out for myself... Maybe this weekend.

So... You would say that the IMax experience may not be worth it for this? No sense in paying the extra money for a movie that isn't focused on special effects.

[macmac]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high for this. That always ends up backfiring on me. But, I've heard nothing but good things and I'm anxious to check it out for myself... Maybe this weekend.

So... You would say that the IMax experience may not be worth it for this? No sense in paying the extra money for a movie that isn't focused on special effects.

Well, I mean, I'm sure it'll look even more amazing in Imax but it never crossed my mind that I was missing out as I was watching it on a regular screen...

And the film is not perfect by any means... when everyone's seen it, I'd like to critique some of the more ambiguous moments and devices, but overall, the film gave me a great feeling as I was leaving the theatre and that's what filmmaking should be all about...

[Lamar Doom]

just got back from it myself. very good, I resigned to the fact that I would have to see it again very early in the movie and tried to just watch the story unfold instead of over analyzing it. Definitely original, some unbelievably cool shots.

[RoseCity07]

I know, I'm going to see it again. I was a bit confused at the start, but it lived up to the expectations. I really don't have the words to describe why I liked it so much, but it's going to make dreaming interesting tonight.

I'm going to have to see this movie a few more times.

[Lamar Doom]

trippy for sure, I was so stoned, I definitely caught myself making sure I remembered how I got to the theater and where I'd come from. When we got outside the street was flooded inexplicably, thought maybe I'd slipped too far into the 3rd level

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7855/inception.jpg

but it was just a busted fire hyrdrant.

[zabuza666]

Is it better then avatar?

[Lamar Doom]

visual effects were pretty f*cking special but it's hard to compete with 3D immersion into a whole other world. Incepton was more Matrix-like visually. The script blew Avatar's out of the water though.

[leopoldstotch]

trippy for sure, I was so stoned, I definitely caught myself making sure I remembered how I got to the theater and where I'd come from. When we got outside the street was flooded inexplicably, thought maybe I'd slipped too far into the 3rd level

but it was just a busted fire hyrdrant.

nah. you would be going up a level, instead of down, because the water would be your 'kick'. :lol

i'll give more analysis later. all i have to say is great movie. true watching it in 3D isn't necessary for this film, but I think when the movie goes in depth into the dream world, watching it in 3D would be a nice additive. Like the above poster said, the visual effects are great, but amazingly, they are not the focal point of the movie.

btw, if i saw that driving home last night, i would be sh!tting in my pants, and try to find a spindle.

[Doomsday Dallas]

This is a film that you must see twice... maybe three times. (I will see it again tonight so it's a definitely a good movie, I hardly ever do that)

If you don't have a few questions at the end of this movie you are very observant... but overall the movie does make sense.

But let me break down a few questions I still have for anybody that has seen this film.

1.) What exactly happened on that 3rd/4th level again? I mean... Ellen Page (Ariadne) suddenly had a plan to bring Cillian Murphy (Fischer) back to life after he got shot in the third level... She spoke so fast about how there was still a chance the job was not finished. What was that plan again? How were they able to revive Fischer ?

2.) There are Four Levels of the Dream World... Who's dream world (Consciousness) was it for each level? This is what I gathered:

Level One: Fischer (overall this is his dream)
Level Two: ??
Level Three: ??
Level Four: Cobb

So how does the Architect Ariadne (Ellen Page) fit into all of this? How is she creating the worlds?

3.) What was Cobb's and Author's objective in the beginning of the film when they are in Ken Watanabe's mind? What were they trying to do? (It might be irrelevant but this was the most confusing part)






One Major problem I had with this movie... Did Cobb really have to go through all this mess to see his kids in the USA? Is it not possible to bring the children to another country in order to see them? Very simple solution if you ask me.

I'm giving this movie a 9/10... I've always had a few problems with the way Nolan directs some of his action scenes (using a close-up technique). The movie is way too deep (which is a good thing, but it might of backfired a little)... and a few parts dragged...

I thought the very ending... the very ending was f*cking greatness!!!

I say Matrix is still better... But this beats Avatar.

I also like how this movie was funny, emotional, action-packed, visually stunning, and also felt like a horror film at times. I mean $hit... did you see the way Mal looked at you? Crazy B*tch scared the $hit out of me.

[macmac]

1.) What exactly happened on that 3rd/4th level again? I mean... Ellen Page (Ariadne) suddenly had a plan to bring Cillian Murphy (Fischer) back to life after he got shot in the third level... She spoke so fast about how there was still a chance the job was not finished. What was that plan again? How were they able to revive Fischer ?

2.) There are Four Levels of the Dream World... Who's dream world (Consciousness) was it for each level? This is what I gathered:

Level One: Fischer (overall this is his dream)
Level Two: ??
Level Three: ??
Level Four: Cobb

So how does the Architect Ariadne (Ellen Page) fit into all of this? How is she creating the worlds?

3.) What was Cobb's and Author's objective in the beginning of the film when they are in Ken Watanabe's mind? What were they trying to do? (It might be irrelevant but this was the most confusing part)

One Major problem I had with this movie... Did Cobb really have to go through all this mess to see his kids in the USA? Is it not possible to bring the children to another country in order to see them? Very simple solution if you ask me.


Don't hold me 100% accountable, this is just what i've gathered from the movie...

1. When you get killed in dreams you usually wake up. But Fischer was so deep in dreams plus on strong sedatives that instead of waking up he would go into the world of limbo if he died.

2. Im pretty sure for each level, they were entering a deeper level of Fischer's subconscious. The last level was limbo, and I'm guessing it's a world where all subconsciousness is linked, so Mol was able to find him there and hold him hostage so Cobb would come find her....which is why Cobb was then able to go find Watanabe in that same world...its all linked together...

The architect built the first three worlds, this part i found pretty flimsy because the mazes hardly came into effect, except for that corny line about paradoxes. On top of it, when they're in the snow dream, Ariadne says after all i designed this right in front of Fischer...isn't that bait? I mean the guy thinks it's the kidnappers that got him into these dreams...

3. The first 10mins of the movie are the most confusing, because you get dropped right into the action with no explanation whatsover...they were supposed to infiltrate ken's mind to collect some information for a competing corporation....that architect fukked up though, and later tried giving Cobb and Author away. But Ken needed them and so he offed the old architect by giving him away to the competing corporation, and then offered them a great deal for their services...

I agree with you about moving the kids away from the states, i had the same thought during the movie. Unless you believe that the world Cobb is in is actually a dream like his wife had told him...

[Clifton]

I saw it last night too.

Inception is a perfect movie. It couldn't be better than it is. And yet I was disappointed in it. Does that make any sense?

Maybe it's Nolan's most "mature" film, but it's also his least personal. It's the one that's going to haunt my thoughts the least, I think. Every nolan film before Inception has spoken to me in a really personal way, vibrated with me in the same frequency. Inception is merely one of the greatest films ever.

Meant to be stuck in a glass box and displayed. Frigid.

It's about control. What is a kick? It's an instinctual reaction to losing control. Those forces in dreamscapes bearing big guns trying to wipe you out? Control. The seed of doubt planted in the wife that she goes to some lengths to eradicate? She's shooting for a feeling of control. Even to the point of.... well no spoilers. It's all very good, thematically. And the story is amazingly good. The action is amazing. The acting is amazing. The directing is perfect. But I don't think this is a film I will take with me. Am I wrong to expect that? It's just strange that Nolan's most intimate subject matter results in his least intimate film.

[leopoldstotch]

my thoughts ....



1.) What exactly happened on that 3rd/4th level again? I mean... Ellen Page (Ariadne) suddenly had a plan to bring Cillian Murphy (Fischer) back to life after he got shot in the third level... She spoke so fast about how there was still a chance the job was not finished. What was that plan again? How were they able to revive Fischer ?


Ariadne's plan was to hook up the defibulator on Fischer as his "kick" while Ariadne and Cobb bring Fischer to the 4th level. Ariadne had an idea to push Fischer into a freefall death in his mind, allowing the Fischer in the 3rd level to wake up mentally. Since they weren't under the chemical substance in the 3rd level, they don't go into limbo.



2.) There are Four Levels of the Dream World... Who's dream world (Consciousness) was it for each level? This is what I gathered:

Level One: Fischer (overall this is his dream)
Level Two: ??
Level Three: ??
Level Four: Cobb

So how does the Architect Ariadne (Ellen Page) fit into all of this? How is she creating the worlds?


I think the first 3 levels were concocted by Fischer, and the 4th was Cobb. The 3rd level labyrinth was created by the architect Ariadne for Fischer to reach the Inception.

As was stated in the beginning, everyone's dreams are shared when hooked up on the same device. Therefore, although Fischer created the realm, Ariadne was able to share her labyrinth into Fischer's realm, and Mal's presence from Cobb's mind. The disadvantage of having shared dreams.



3.) What was Cobb's and Author's objective in the beginning of the film when they are in Ken Watanabe's mind? What were they trying to do? (It might be irrelevant but this was the most confusing part)


In the beginning of the film, Cobb and Arthur were stealing classified papers from Saito's mind. They were sealed inside Saito's mind, and Cobb and Arthur were paid to steal his idea. I don't think they explained who Cobb and Arthur's client was?



One Major problem I had with this movie... Did Cobb really have to go through all this mess to see his kids in the USA? Is it not possible to bring the children to another country in order to see them? Very simple solution if you ask me.


That could work, but it was the grandma preventing that from happening, since Cobb was accused of killing Mal. Cobb tries to reason with his grandma, but she doesn't believe him. This is the reason Cobb is relying on Saito to clear his name. We see that Mal fell into her own death, but it seems Cobb's family thinks he didn't make a conscious effort into saving her, which explains the lawyer who showed up at his house before he ran away from his children.



I'm giving this movie a 9/10... I've always had a few problems with the way Nolan directs some of his action scenes (using a close-up technique). The movie is way too deep (which is a good thing, but it might of backfired a little)... and a few parts dragged...

I thought the very ending... the very ending was f*cking greatness!!!

I say Matrix is still better... But this beats Avatar.

I also like how this movie was funny, emotional, action-packed, visually stunning, and also felt like a horror film at times. I mean $hit... did you see the way Mal looked at you? Crazy B*tch scared the $hit out of me.

i agree. this movie is real deep and can be broken down into so many pieces.

this is just as good as the Matrix, tie if you ask me, and ten times better than Avatar. Avatar uses CGI and action sequences to get it's point across, while in Inception, it uses a solid story line followed by a mental chase to get to the end.

[macmac]

That could work, but it was the grandma preventing that from happening, since Cobb was accused of killing Mal. Cobb tries to reason with his grandma, but she doesn't believe him. This is the reason Cobb is relying on Saito to clear his name. We see that Mal fell into her own death, but it seems Cobb's family thinks he didn't make a conscious effort into saving her, which explains the lawyer who showed up at his house before he ran away from his children.


Not to mention that Mal had released documents saying she feared for her life as far as her husband was concerned, and she also got checked by three different psychologists to prove that she was sane before the jump. This was all part of her ploy to get him to give up on this reality and kill himself wih her since there would a shitstorm if he stayed and he wouldnt be able to see his kids anyways...

[Doomsday Dallas]

Don't hold me 100% accountable, this is just what i've gathered from the movie...

1. When you get killed in dreams you usually wake up. But Fischer was so deep in dreams plus on strong sedatives that instead of waking up he would go into the world of limbo if he died.

2. Im pretty sure for each level, they were entering a deeper level of Fischer's subconscious. The last level was limbo, and I'm guessing it's a world where all subconsciousness is linked, so Mol was able to find him there and hold him hostage so Cobb would come find her....which is why Cobb was then able to go find Watanabe in that same world...its all linked together...

The architect built the first three worlds, this part i found pretty flimsy because the mazes hardly came into effect, except for that corny line about paradoxes. On top of it, when they're in the snow dream, Ariadne says after all i designed this right in front of Fischer...isn't that bait? I mean the guy thinks it's the kidnappers that got him into these dreams...

3. The first 10mins of the movie are the most confusing, because you get dropped right into the action with no explanation whatsover...they were supposed to infiltrate ken's mind to collect some information for a competing corporation....that architect fukked up though, and later tried giving Cobb and Author away. But Ken needed them and so he offed the old architect by giving him away to the competing corporation, and then offered them a great deal for their services...

I agree with you about moving the kids away from the states, i had the same thought during the movie. Unless you believe that the world Cobb is in is actually a dream like his wife had told him...

your post helps alot... I see now... since Fischer died he went into limbo and they were still able to get to him there. (and they would all be connected in that world).

thanks for explaining the first 10-20 minutes of the film... that's starting to make more sense now. The opening scene is a dream within a dream... They used Ken Watanabes dream as level two... and the architects dream as level one. (who they eventually captured in reality).


But the end of the film is a dream within a dream within a dream... within limbo.

So the first dream is Fischer's (streets), the next dream is Authors (Hotel), and the third dream is Eames (snow)... and the last part is limbo where they are all still connected.

(Just guessing a little^)


You really have to be on your "A"-Game to know exactly what is going on in this movie... that's why I'm watching it again tonight.

[leopoldstotch]

Not to mention that Mal had released documents saying she feared for her life as far as her husband was concerned, and she also got checked by three different psychologists to prove that she was sane before the jump. This was all part of her ploy to get him to give up on this reality and kill himself wih her since there would a shitstorm if he stayed and he wouldnt be able to see his kids anyways...

my thoughts is she made the jump, because her perception on reality was misconstrued due to Cobb injecting the inception into her mind, making her think the reality we are living in is a dream realm therefore her freefall to the ground would wake her up.

Cobb tried to instill reason into Mal, and help her understand what reality is, but the inception was too deep into Mal's mind to reason.

we could have multiple reasons to why Cobb wasn't able to see his kids.

as a matter of fact, we don't really know if Cobb and Mal did have kids in "the real world". They could have had the kids in Cobb and Mal's perfect world where they lived for 50 years which explains why Cobb wasn't able to see his kids faces throughout the film? just a thought.

[leopoldstotch]

btw, has anyone here had a similiar dream like this?

a dream within a dream where you don't know if you're in a dream realm or reality?

i remember my totem is pinching my forearm. if i feel pain, then i know i am in reality. otherwise, i am in a dream, and i need to wake myself up. :lol i know crappy totem. i need to make a new totem for myself.

[Kobe4life]

some1 hook us up with stream

[macmac]

some1 hook us up with stream

Dude it's 10$ I would just give it to you but I don't use paypal

[J_Rock3ts]

that's pretty cool man...sounds like how I felt after seeing Fight Club for the first time.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I think the first 3 levels were concocted by Fischer, and the 4th was Cobb. The 3rd level labyrinth was created by the architect Ariadne for Fischer to reach the Inception..

2nd level was indeed Arthur... and I have proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW0M4xXxqpw

start at 1:50


the 2nd level was Arthur's dream.

[Clifton]

some1 hook us up with stream
This is probably one worth seeing in the theater. The visuals are extremely strong (and varied). It's rare you'll see me say anything about a movie's visual aspect, but this and Dark Knight are definitely ones you want to see in a big room with a large screen and a lot of fans around you.

Other than Collateral, which will always be THE visual film to me (I dream and daydream scenes from that movie all the time), I can't think of a movie where the visuals are more worth it than Inception. You don't want to see it on some crappy lagging pixelated computer monitor.

Especially the anti-gravity fight scenes. Wow!

[pete's montreux]

Over under how many more spoilers clifton gives up: 4

f*cking idiot

[Younggrease]

I also saw the midnight screening...Great movie!!!

[SCdac]

One of the best films I've ever seen.

What a concept for a motion picture, and so perfectly executed by Nolan & crew.

Highly recommended.

[leopoldstotch]

Over under how many more spoilers clifton gives up: 4

f*cking idiot

he didn't spoil anything the trailers gave you. :lol

[steve]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high for this. That always ends up backfiring on me. But, I've heard nothing but good things and I'm anxious to check it out for myself... Maybe this weekend.

So... You would say that the IMax experience may not be worth it for this? No sense in paying the extra money for a movie that isn't focused on special effects.
I was reading an interview with Nolan a few weeks back where he said that they didn't film anything for IMax the way that they did for Dark Knight. So, it may just be the same film but on a much larger screen. Personally, I'd say save your money and just view it normally (or if at all possible a high end theater), it's definitely worth viewing in the best possible conditions.

[leopoldstotch]

I was reading an interview with Nolan a few weeks back where he said that they didn't film anything for IMax the way that they did for Dark Knight. So, it may just be the same film but on a much larger screen. Personally, I'd say save your money and just view it normally (or if at all possible a high end theater), it's definitely worth viewing in the best possible conditions.

if that's the case, then Nolan must have effectively used proper camera angles and mechanisms to produce the backgrounds in the dream states.

[steve]

if that's the case, then Nolan must have effectively used proper camera angles and mechanisms to produce the backgrounds in the dream states.
From what I understand they used as little CGI as possible. In fact, the one set piece that you would probably assume would be CGI heavy, was in fact a specifically built set to do what happens in that scene (even though I tried not to give away anything there, you can probably guess which scene I'm talking about based on the trailers).

Edit - reading that again, you're talking about something completely different than what I mentioned there. But yeah, in the interview, he said that he didn't feel like lugging around the IMax cameras and they didn't feel appropriate in some of the locales they were filming in.

[GOAT24]

This movie was so fuccin good it was unbelievable

[heyhey]

The movie seems a bit too high budget for my taste but seeing the good reviews I'll have to give it a peek.

[Lamar Doom]

are you guys f*cking stupid? did you really not get that "Arthur" was a projection and Ellen Page was the real "Mol"?

[Lamar Doom]

heheh, just kidding. i keep worrying that someone's going to say something like that and I'm going to have totally missed it "wait, Fisher was god?"

[macmac]

are you guys f*cking stupid? did you really not get that "Arthur" was a projection and Ellen Page was the real "Mol"?

lol I just hesitated for a second..."wait a second, am I ****in stupid?"

[pete's montreux]

spoilers if you only watched the earliest teaser

some people [myself, for example] like to completely ignore everything advertised and watch with a clear, non-influenced mind

no trailers, no reviews, all i did was check out the numbers at RT

[ZeN]

I cant imagine why anyone could dislike this film... Inception was so damn good.

[plowking]

It doesn't really look like a movie that could turn out crap. Even if the story line is in shambles, there is always the insane visual effects to fall back on.
Though by the sounds of it, it seems to have delivered on both counts. Will definitely go and watch this in the cinemas then.

[Lamar Doom]

some people [myself, for example] like to completely ignore everything advertised and watch with a clear, non-influenced mind


so you decided reading a thread about it was a good idea?

I'm actually the same as you, I went out of my way to not watch previews the last couple months but you're nuts to come in here pete, nuts.

[pete's montreux]

well i saw the other thread that said spoilers, and this one

i figured there was just gonna be vague reviews, whether it was good or not, scales 1/10 kind of stuff

but i was wrong and now it's too late

[ZeN]

are you guys f*cking stupid? did you really not get that "Arthur" was a projection and Ellen Page was the real "Mol"?
:roll: :roll:

[momo]

my thoughts is she made the jump, because her perception on reality was misconstrued due to Cobb injecting the inception into her mind, making her think the reality we are living in is a dream realm therefore her freefall to the ground would wake her up.

Cobb tried to instill reason into Mal, and help her understand what reality is, but the inception was too deep into Mal's mind to reason.

we could have multiple reasons to why Cobb wasn't able to see his kids.

as a matter of fact, we don't really know if Cobb and Mal did have kids in "the real world". They could have had the kids in Cobb and Mal's perfect world where they lived for 50 years which explains why Cobb wasn't able to see his kids faces throughout the film? just a thought.

He sees his kids faces at the end. He could not see them in his memory because he did not see them in RL, and had to GTFO. He wanted to and couldn't.

Also, top was starting to go irregular at the end. It was RL IMHO.

[chazzy]

I loved it. I'm like pete where I avoid big trailers for movies like this, so I only heard the hype and saw the TV commercials. Just knew it had something to do with dreaming, but wow.. very enthralling and thought provoking. It makes you constantly think throughout the entire movie, and you become so engaged that the 2.5 hours go by very quickly. Great plot and visuals.

[1987_Lakers]

trippy for sure, I was so stoned, I definitely caught myself making sure I remembered how I got to the theater and where I'd come from. When we got outside the street was flooded inexplicably, thought maybe I'd slipped too far into the 3rd level

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7855/inception.jpg

but it was just a busted fire hyrdrant.

lol that's funny. I just watched the movie and as I was coming home I swear I spotted a UFO. Kind of creeped me out.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Saw it again last night... the movie all makes sense now. at least 99% of it.

It's damn near impossible to understand that movie the way it was meant to be understood the first time you watch it... too much information to digest.

I still give it a 9/10.

Nolan could of done better with some of the action scenes...

[ivogetghost]

law abiding citizens>inception

[wang4three]

Movie was absolutely incredible...

[wang4three]

Is it better then avatar?

Hell yeah. Avatar was overrated.

Inception was incredible.

[ukplayer4]

law abiding citizens>inception



:roll: :roll:


scary movie 4> citizen kane?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Eames was able to summon a bazooka-like weapon at will when dealing with FIscher's security in the first dream. Does this ability go away as they go lower?

[steve]

Eames was able to summon a bazooka-like weapon at will when dealing with FIscher's security in the first dream. Does this ability go away as they go lower?
It might be that he has to obey the laws of the dream world that they're in.

[ivogetghost]

:roll: :roll:


scary movie 4> citizen kane?
gang related>citizen kane

[1987_Lakers]

Was he awake or asleep?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBYfNWajUU

[Doomsday Dallas]

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/537844/leonardo-dicaprio-weighs-in-on-inception-ending.jhtml

leonardo dicaprio weighs in on inception ending

[momo]

The top is starting to wobble. He is awake IMO.

[SCdac]

I loved the ending.

My brother and I discussed it for awhile in detail after exiting the theater...

And after our discussion, I found myself thinking (more so than usual after watching similar endings over the years)... I honestly don't want to know really happened.

[bballer]

I think he was awake

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Whether he is awake or asleep is irrelevant cuz all y'all motherf*ckers are fake projections of my mind to me, which is a fake azz organ in my nonexitent motherf*ckin body in a cartoon character's dream.

[1987_Lakers]

Whether he is awake or asleep is irrelevant cuz all y'all motherf*ckers are fake projections of my mind to me, which is a fake azz organ in my nonexitent motherf*ckin body in a cartoon character's dream.

:lol

[ZeN]

Whether he is awake or asleep is irrelevant cuz all y'all motherf*ckers are fake projections of my mind to me, which is a fake azz organ in my nonexitent motherf*ckin body in a cartoon character's dream.

Its true. Ultimately the point is to question reality. We only have that puzzlement at its conclusion because he were conditioned to question everything we see. As opposed to other movies where we accept all information given. Most people never give actual thought to was a film is providing them..

[ZeN]

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/537844/leonardo-dicaprio-weighs-in-on-inception-ending.jhtml

leonardo dicaprio weighs in on inception ending


nice clip DD..

[ZeN]

gang related>citizen kane
You should be banned on general principle.

[ivogetghost]

You should be banned on general principle.
mad cause i speak the truth?

[ZeN]

mad cause i speak the truth?
Orson Welles is rolling in his grave.

[wang4three]

Personally I think he was awake. They made a point in the movie about how in dreams you can't recall how you entered into a certain situation, but rather was placed into the middle of them and the plot surrounding the dream. However, he can recall waking up on the plane and how the sequence of events that eventually led to him returning home. I also wonder if the images of his children's faces played a role in whether or not he was dreaming. In all of his dreams he never dreamed his children turning around and facing him. Now that he can see their faces, does it mean he's no longer dreaming? Or could it be interpreted as forgiving himself for what had happened? That point is a little harder for me to decide.

Whether or not my interpretation of the final scene is correct, is open to discussion though. It is easy to say that the final sequence of the movie flowed smoothly without any sort of road bump..which in turn can be characterized as a dream. I need to see it again to see how the other people in the airport were reacting to the events.

Either way, the takeaway from this movie was incredible. Definitely one of the better movies I've seen in a long time.

[no conscience]

questions:
How did Watanabe and Cobb get out of limbo at the end? You can just wake up out of limbo anytime? If so, then why were they so conscious about keeping making sure no one died when they were in the NY level??

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Amazing movie for sure, great story and concept. The first 20 minutes I was completely lost but as it went on I understood it all and was like "damn!!". One of the best movies this year, if not the best. Just an amazing concept.

And the ending pissed me off, but made you think about it. Spoilers in white.

I think he was in the real world because the top was wiggling as it spun.

[Basketman]

Great film. I was not disapointed at all and I had a very high expectation. Nolan delivers yet again. Out of all his films I'll rank it

1) Inception
2) The Dark Night
3) The Prestige
4) Batman Begins
5) Memento

[1987_Lakers]

Great film. I was not disapointed at all and I had a very high expectation. Nolan delivers yet again. Out of all his films I'll rank it

1) Inception
2) The Dark Night
3) The Prestige
4) Batman Begins
5) Memento

1. Memento
2. Inception
3. The Dark Knight
4. The Prestige
5. Batman Begins

[Doomsday Dallas]

questions:
How did Watanabe and Cobb get out of limbo at the end? You can just wake up out of limbo anytime? If so, then why were they so conscious about keeping making sure no one died when they were in the NY level??


my understanding is that watanabe killed leo and then killed himself.

[Gundress]

Sup mother****er...I just came home after Inception movie and dinner. This movie is a mind****.

I need to see this shit again.

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[Bladers]

Fcuk outta here with all these spoilers...
Got me all fcuked up.
Now i can't watch it. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[vapid]

10/10. You couldn't make a better film of this genre. I want to build an entire universe of mythology around this concept.

- I want dream masters, people who have delved dozens of layers down into the dream state and have gathered a millenia of experience and knowledge while only experiencing a few hours of reality.

-I want dream battles between dreamers and architects, as they bend the dream-realities to their will.

-I want them to go deeper into fleshing out the reactions that extreme emotions can have on certain dream-states, like how Cobb's guilt was so strong that it could project his wife into other people's subconscious.

-I want them to try extraction or inception from someone's nightmare instead of the more docile dream state.

[thesighter]

Spoiler Ending:

I think he's still asleep in the end, trapped in limbo forever with Saito. The top wobbles (it never does previously) ... but everything fits together too perfectly. At the airport, his friends look at him, but don't talk to him. When he sees his children, they are in the same pose, same age as he imagined them, and wearing the same clothes.

[ZeN]

10/10. You couldn't make a better film of this genre. I want to build an entire universe of mythology around this concept.

- I want dream masters, people who have delved dozens of layers down into the dream state and have gathered a millenia of experience and knowledge while only experiencing a few hours of reality.

-I want dream battles between dreamers and architects, as they bend the dream-realities to their will.

-I want them to go deeper into fleshing out the reactions that extreme emotions can have on certain dream-states, like how Cobb's guilt was so strong that it could project his wife into other people's subconscious.

-I want them to try extraction or inception from someone's nightmare instead of the more docile dream state.
QFT

[The Big Skinny]

10/10. You couldn't make a better film of this genre. I want to build an entire universe of mythology around this concept.

- I want dream masters, people who have delved dozens of layers down into the dream state and have gathered a millenia of experience and knowledge while only experiencing a few hours of reality.

-I want dream battles between dreamers and architects, as they bend the dream-realities to their will.

-I want them to go deeper into fleshing out the reactions that extreme emotions can have on certain dream-states, like how Cobb's guilt was so strong that it could project his wife into other people's subconscious.

-I want them to try extraction or inception from someone's nightmare instead of the more docile dream state.

Isn't the reason why she was in other people's subconscious was due to the fact that if they were wired together, their dreams would be intertwined and then she could show up. Like how she was in Eames' dream (snowy co-op mission, her being their because Cobb was their)

not sure if i'm making sense, it is 3:46 in the morning, but I think it is coherent

[xcesswee]

questions:
How did Watanabe and Cobb get out of limbo at the end? You can just wake up out of limbo anytime? If so, then why were they so conscious about keeping making sure no one died when they were in the NY level??

Two ways to wake up from limbo. One is where your body in reality wakes up from sleeping. This would mean you spent the entire dream in limbo, which is a long ass time. I think they said that if you spend your entire time in limbo then your brain would turn into mush when you wake up in reality, but I'm not too sure on that. The second way to wake up from limbo is to kill yourself, which causes you to wake up. However, this is hard to do because the dreamer thinks limbo is "reality". So the dreamer thinks if he kills himself then he will actually die.

I've seen the movie once. I thought it was a great film, certainly not a masterpiece. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of Nolan's action scenes. To much of the close and shaky cameras. The zero gravity scene was enjoyable; however, I thought the snow fortress and car action scenes were a little stale.

[vapid]

Someone from another forum stated this and I wasn't sure if it had been discussed here:

Is the whole movie an Inception made by Page, Gordon-Levitt, British guy, Watanabe, and Murphy (maybe Michael Caine too) paid by Cobb's wife (Her name was weird, like Moll or something) who had already woken up by jumping off the cliff to plant the idea that his "reality" was a dream so that he could finally wake up and join his wife?

-Or else how could Cobb project his wife into Cilian Murphy's dream and how was he able to create that freight train in Murphy's dream?

[heyhey]

Someone from another forum stated this and I wasn't sure if it had been discussed here:

Is the whole movie an Inception made by Page, Gordon-Levitt, British guy, Watanabe, and Murphy (maybe Michael Caine too) paid by Cobb's wife (Her name was weird, like Moll or something) who had already woken up by jumping off the cliff to plant the idea that his "reality" was a dream so that he could finally wake up and join his wife?

-Or else how could Cobb project his wife into Cilian Murphy's dream and how was he able to create that freight train in Murphy's dream?

umm, maybe I'm wrong but I thought the dream world can be populated by projections of anyone who is involved in the dream. When Cobb was talking with Page's character in the beginning he mentions in dreams they have to keep their projections away from others or they can reveal information about their missions and stuff.

[vapid]

umm, maybe I'm wrong but I thought the dream world can be populated by projections of anyone who is involved in the dream. When Cobb was talking with Page's character in the beginning he mentions in dreams they have to keep their projections away from others or they can reveal information about their missions and stuff.
I dont remember the revealing missions part, but I assumed while watching it was because Cobb's emotion of guilt was so ridiculously strong. However I think most of the times when Moll appears she is actually a real person going into Cobb's dreams trying to wake him forcefully.

[ZeN]

Leo was on the flight the whole time.. he was dreaming the whole 'inception' portion. His wife has just died and he is attempting to cope with it. His not being able to see his childrens faces is his guilt of working abroad and him not feeling worthy of visiting them. He feels he has abandoned them with the grandparents.

The whole dream is a wild lucid dream that he had on a flight and its not a part of reality at all. The film starts in the middle of the action.. because its the beginning of the flight dream.

The people in his dream where the same people he had seen before falling into sleep.

Thats why no one had any gear on, nor did they speak, at the conclusion of the film.




Or maybe not...

[vapid]

Leo was on the flight the whole time.. he was dreaming the whole 'inception' portion. His wife has just died and he is attempting to cope with it. His not being able to see his childrens faces is his guilt of working abroad and him not feeling worthy of visiting them. He feels he has abandoned them with the grandparents.

The whole dream is a wild lucid dream that he had on a flight and its not a part of reality at all. The film starts in the middle of the action.. because its the beginning of the flight dream.

The people in his dream where the same people he had seen before falling into sleep.

Thats why no one had any gear on, nor did they speak, at the conclusion of the film.




Or maybe not...

Every poster on this site is an extractor trying to help plant the idea in Zen's mind that this is reality.

[ZeN]

Every poster on this site is an extractor trying to help plant the idea in Zen's mind that this is reality.
I rather be alive in a Lucid Dream than to be dormant in reality.

[vapid]

I rather be alive in a Lucid Dream than to be dormant in reality.
Well its possible to be in both...

[vapid]

Also found this idea from another forum:


Inception is about Christopher Nolan's filmmaking process



Cobb is Nolan - the writer/director. The movie is about him, even if it's ostensibly about someone else. Much like Cobb's journey is about Cobb, even if the guy they're targeting is Fischer. Arthur is Cobb's producer, Ariadne is the screenwriter, Eames is the actor, Saito is the exec producer who thinks he should be part of the creative team.

With this reading, you don't have to worry about what's real and what isn't, because the whole point of the movie is to communicate to the audience what it is that Nolan goes through in order to create entertaining fictions full of emotional truths for the audiences that pay money to see them.

[ZeN]

Well its possible to be in both...
That is indeed the desired destination..

[ZeN]

I still need to view Inception again, but it already feels like one of my all-time favorite films. Waking Life still essentially at the fav. Lucid Dream film, top..

[vapid]

Waking life is so disjointed and unorganized compared to Inception. Inception is 100x the film that Waking life is.

[ZeN]

Waking life is so disjointed and unorganized compared to Inception. Inception is 100x the film that Waking life is.
I also dont believe that WL is a better film. Only that its currently my favorite film with lucid dreams as its subject. However, after another viewing of Inception.. that may change.

[embersyc]

Sup mother****er...I just came home after Inception movie and dinner. This movie is a mind****.

I need to see this shit again.

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I saw this movie in the exact same theatre. Had no idea you were a Detroit person.

BTW as for the movie:

:bowdown:

The curious thing to me, in the very beginning of the movie (which is also the scene where Cobb meets with old Wantanabe in limbo) he spins the top and the top eventually falls.

Also later when he talks about the top he said it belonged to Mol, and that it never toppled in her dreams...

[QuebecBaller]

some1 hook us up with stream

Go outside. Breathe some fresh air. Don't be afraid of the people outside the house.

And if you can't pay 10$ to see a movie how can you pay for your internet connection?

[heyhey]

Alright this movie has gotten quite overrated. It was good but not best film ever type of good.

[Basketman]

Alright this movie has gotten quite overrated. It was good but not best film ever type of good.
This was the best film to come out this year. Possibly last year too.

[enayes]

Great movie, but one scene sort of bothered me.

When they are all asleep in the van and getting chased/shot at for however long, how did those guys not take down the van?? I mean they could of shot the tires and then shot everyone in the van. Really unrealistic.

Although it was all a dream :lol

[vapid]

The top is pretty meaningless imo. The only thing a totem does is help you recognize if you are in someone else's dream. If you are in someone's dream that knows how your totem works or your own dream, the top would function as it would in what you think is "reality".

I am still convinced that the whole or at least most of the film, is set within Leo's dream. I find it to be too convenient that Ariadne transitioned from a random architect student to a super-dream-architect that was so boldly inquisitive and effective in helping Cobb deal with his inner demons.

So a couple theories have life to them imo:
1. Cobb's reality is really dream 1:
- He never escaped from it but Mal really did
- Mal was actually the one who knew that they were in limbo but Cobb did not, so Mal used inception to plant the idea in Cobb's mind that Cobb believed only he knew that they were in limbo to help Cobb escape. Unfortunately she was not able to further convince him that the next stage of dream (what Cobb believes is reality) is actually a dream.
- Mal is trying to convince Cobb to wake up by appearing in his 2nd/3rd dreams.
- Mal hired the other main characters as inceptors to try and wake Cobb up.
- Explains why Cobb's projections (train, Mal) appear in other people's dreams, Why the 4th stage dream is Cobb's "limbo"

2. Ariadne is hired by Cobb's father to use inception on Cobb to help him deal with the guilt of causing Mal's suicide.
- Ariadne transforms from wide-eyed innocent architect student to basically a psychiatrist and super-talented architect very quickly. She is not afraid to delve into the deepest parts of the mind of a criminal and dangerous person. She is very effective in helping Cobb deal with very strong issues that he has had to deal with for a long time.
- With Ariadne's influence, Cobb comes to the realization that his Mal is only a shade, first with her convincing him to shoot her in dream stage 3, and then helping him deal with Mal being killed in dream stage 4 and letting her go.
- Also explains how comfortable the other members are with Ariadne going into dream land when they didn't want Saito to come as a tourist.

3. Zen's theory that the entire movie is a dream by Cobb to help him deal with the suicide of his wife.
- Everyone is a manifestation of his subconscious, other than Mal the other people are used in his dream because they are the people he sees on the first class plane. Mal is guilt, Ariadne is the counterpoint to that guilt, etc.
- Cobb is essentially subconsciously using inception on himself to convince himself to let go of Mal

[Hawker]

Just saw the movie and thought it was great. I actually thought that the end is his real life but that's just because that's the way I wanted it to be.

But I thought about it more and realized it's more likely a dream due to the kids still wearing the same clothes and in the same position. Maybe he could never see his kid's faces because he was chained by Mol? Who knows. Great movie, very entertaining and I'll probably need to watch it again to fully comprehend it.

Interesting analysis in this thread though.

[Hawker]

Anybody else thought it was cool that the guy from Angels in the Outfield was in this movie? :lol

[KOLBCTEW]

This was a very good movie, while a little long-winded at times it was still very entertaining.

[blasian]

this is one of those movies that gets better the more you think about it and reflect on it.

I was pretty underwhelmed initially, partly because of all the hype, and I thought the story wasn't nearly as complex or mindblowing as people said

then thinking about it, and the possible theories, and the implications if those theories were true made me appreciate the movie a lot more. its crazy how there's multiple levels of the subconscious and the film itself works on multiple levels of narrative, depending on your interpretation at the end

this is a movie that pretty much demands repeated viewings. in fact i don't think you can really appreciate it fully without watching it a few times

[leopoldstotch]

Anybody else thought it was cool that the guy from Angels in the Outfield was in this movie? :lol

i consider him for 2 things (based on my childhood):

1. Angels in the Outfield
2. 3rd Rock (when i was in high school)

i would consider '10 things i hate about you', but that was during the time when i was in college (yes i am that old).

yes good to see everyone enjoyed the movie. :bowdown:

[juju151111]

Wait a second. It was a dream at the end. He has been doing missions for years, but his kids are the same age and in the exact same spot. He got screwed.

[Sarcastic]

It doesn't stop spinning.

[Fatal9]

for those who have seen the movie, is there going to be much difference between seeing it in Imax, 3d imax or a regular screen? going to friends cottage for a bit and they want to see it but the only theater in the area is just a regular screen one. don't want to ruin the movie if it relies on blowing your mind visually.

[Doomsday Dallas]

for those who have seen the movie, is there going to be much difference between seeing it in Imax, 3d imax or a regular screen? going to friends cottage for a bit and they want to see it but the only theater in the area is just a regular screen one. don't want to ruin the movie if it relies on blowing your mind visually.


This movie is more mental than visual... it doesn't matter where you see it.

This isn't Avatar.

[RoTM]

I just saw it and now I have a crush on ellen page.

[vapid]

for those who have seen the movie, is there going to be much difference between seeing it in Imax, 3d imax or a regular screen? going to friends cottage for a bit and they want to see it but the only theater in the area is just a regular screen one. don't want to ruin the movie if it relies on blowing your mind visually.
Its not filmed in 3d and thank god for that.

[Agent_Zero]

this movie was unreal...definitely going to see it again...by far the best movie i've seen in a while.

[Roy Munson]

A little late to the party, but just saw it today. I've been purposely avoiding this thread since the movie came out. Anyway, I was blown away. Definitely one of those movies that when it ends you have to take a few moments to comprehend what just happened before leaving the theater.

[chazzy]

for those who have seen the movie, is there going to be much difference between seeing it in Imax, 3d imax or a regular screen? going to friends cottage for a bit and they want to see it but the only theater in the area is just a regular screen one. don't want to ruin the movie if it relies on blowing your mind visually.

There are definitely some cool visuals, but a regular screen is good enough.

[highwhey]

avatar was overrated to begin with but ether way, inception>>>>>>>>>>avatar

[Fatal9]

Ended up watching it last night. I wanted first viewing to be in IMAX but I'll definitely watch it again this weekend.

The ending seemed a bit too idealistic to be reality, but the top definitely slowed down. Nolan is wasting his time doing batman movies, he should be putting out intelligent, creative yet big budget thrillers like this (and Memento). I usually don't like to analyze mainstream movies, even the intelligent ones are usually not very layered or genuine as they can be very restricted because you need to sacrifice vision for money, but this was great.

Lot of details and rules to remember about the dream state, you get new information very rapidly, and while you're running that through your head, you get blasted with more additional guidelines and dream layers that complicate everything you learned. Need a second viewing to confirm specific details they laid out earlier which are needed to answer some questions I had at the end (forgot some details they mentioned about limbo and the sedative, and transition between deeper states). I'd give it 8/10 for now, there were some issues with it though. Thought Cobb's character would have benefited from a bit more development where you get to know his values better. Kind of difficult to buy into his emotions without even really knowing him. Wasn't a fan of the 3rd layer, felt a bit contrived as if he needed to create a spectacle with a huge action sequence (reminiscent of Bond films tbh) to please the audience. Not really a flaw, because I can see others liking it, but there were some very uneven shifts in intensity (scenes quickly shifting from shootouts to his wife/kids).

[DonDadda59]

Just saw it a few hours ago. I thought it was an original and creative concpet (even though it had some similar elements to the Matrix), GREAT visual effects and camera work, and solid acting. I thought the plot became a bit convoluted with the dreams inside of dreams inside of more dreams/layers concept. It would've been better if they found a different way to symbolically show a journey into the subconscious instead of more hooking into dialysis machines and sedation. I feel like it was just a ploy to set up the final series of non stop explosions. But other than that, I thought the writing was well done.

The ending... He was not dreaming. 3 issues- when he and Ellen Page's character were in his dream and in his house, he made it clear to her that that particular segment was created by his memory and that no matter what he did, he could not see his children's faces, no matter how badly he wanted to. So unless he found some new methods of recreation, those were his kids in the real world (or however you want to look at it). Secondly, why would Fischer, his team, and his father suddenly be in his dream/memory-created state when only his wife and kids had been before. Only other person who was in that 'place' was Page when she herself was under. Unless everyone he saw in the final scene was under with him, I doubt he was dreaming. Last, the trinket was clearly wobbling and looked as if it was coming to a stop/going to topple over. Obviously Nolan wanted it to be ambiguous but earlier in the movie, whenever they wanted the effect of perpetual motion they achieved it. The only thing that made me think it may have been imagined was the surrealistic, ideal feel of the ending scene.

Just my take.

[heyhey]

In what world does Inception have a creative and imaginative concept? It's basically rehashing a lot of old science fiction elements in a nice attractive package with a lot of special effects. It's a lot like the Matrix, and I'm not saying that as a compliment.

[GOBB]

Very good movie that can get confusing as you try to watch and figure it all out. Definately gonna see this again. I thought about killing myself after the movie to see if I was dreaming or I fail like Mal or is it Mol.

[GOBB]

In what world does Inception have a creative and imaginative concept? It's basically rehashing a lot of old science fiction elements in a nice attractive package with a lot of special effects. It's a lot like the Matrix, and I'm not saying that as a compliment.

We get it, you didnt like the movie like everyone has. How many ways are you gonna try to plant in our minds this idea? It wasnt all that impressive to you. Bye. See ya. And for your next act you're list this movie was one of the most overrated of all times because people enjoyed it so much. Go on. Go. :rolleyes:

[vapid]

The top is pretty meaningless imo. The only thing a totem does is help you recognize if you are in someone else's dream. If you are in someone's dream that knows how your totem works or your own dream, the top would function as it would in what you think is "reality".

l
Bump for people talking about the top.

[heyhey]

We get it, you didnt like the movie like everyone has. How many ways are you gonna try to plant in our minds this idea? It wasnt all that impressive to you. Bye. See ya. And for your next act you're list this movie was one of the most overrated of all times because people enjoyed it so much. Go on. Go. :rolleyes:

Pretty sure that was my first post in this thread...

[ivogetghost]

lol at the white boys slurping over a mediocre movie like it is great. Shrek 3 was better than this sh1t

[HAzE024]

Personally I think he was awake. They made a point in the movie about how in dreams you can't recall how you entered into a certain situation, but rather was placed into the middle of them and the plot surrounding the dream. However, he can recall waking up on the plane and how the sequence of events that eventually led to him returning home. I also wonder if the images of his children's faces played a role in whether or not he was dreaming. In all of his dreams he never dreamed his children turning around and facing him. Now that he can see their faces, does it mean he's no longer dreaming? Or could it be interpreted as forgiving himself for what had happened? That point is a little harder for me to decide.

Whether or not my interpretation of the final scene is correct, is open to discussion though. It is easy to say that the final sequence of the movie flowed smoothly without any sort of road bump..which in turn can be characterized as a dream. I need to see it again to see how the other people in the airport were reacting to the events.

Either way, the takeaway from this movie was incredible. Definitely one of the better movies I've seen in a long time.

Remember, the film started with Cobb randomly washing ashore...

[dwight20-20]

Remember, the film started with Cobb randomly washing ashore...

that was right before he got out of limbo though. from there he woke up in the airplane then walked through the airport and met his dad and went home and saw his kids. he was definitely awake.

[dwight20-20]

Someone explain this to me:

Why did Fischer go to limbo when he died in the third level? Because shouldn't that have taken him back to the second level? They would only go to limbo if they died in the first level because the sedation they were under wasn't made so they would wake up if they died, only if they fell. So dying in the first level sends them to limbo until their body wakes up. But they weren't under sedation in the second level of the dream, they were just asleep in the hotel. So wouldn't dying in the third level wake them up in the second level? Doesn't make sense to me.

Edit: Well I guess they were put under sedation to get to the 2nd and 3rd levels of the dream. I forgot. But it's not actually them going to sleep, it's their dream bodies. And it's not a real sedation, it's a dream sedation. But it still has the same effect on their dream bodies?

[RoTM]

I think it suffered a little because the director was trying very hard to keep it serious. He introduced us to how the environment could be manipulated with ellen page's training runs but then he didn't want the characters to be forced to use it during the actual inception. I think that was the purpose of the secondary characters being so slick.

[knobs]

just got back from it. it didn't quite live up to expectations as i watched, but going back will definitely be a treat to look forward to.

are you sure they weren't sedated in the second and third dream states, dwight? if not, perhaps the original sedative carries over for strange plot-related reasons?

my question: how did ellen page and leo wind up in limbo? dooms laid out the four stages nicely, and i understand why fischer and saito wound up there - they died. but to reach that state of consciousness without dying under heavy sedatives, it'd have to be a completely arbitrary fact of these dreamworlds that the '4th level' happens to be limbo - which is just sort of stupid. i understand that the limbo was originally created by leo and his hoe, i guess because they happened to be the first to reach that level of the mind. but you've got to die to get there, or so it seems.

second question: why was everybody so pissed about the possibility of limbo? if all it takes to return is death, what's the big problem? when, in the first level, it's revealed to the crew that dying won't bring them to the real world but rather to the limbo realm, they all flip their sh*t and leo - having actually been there before - is obviously a little rattled too. what happens if they wind up down there again? well from what we saw, all that happens if they wind up there again is that they get to come back to the real world upon dying in the dream world. which doesn't seem like anything to twist your panties over.

side note / plot hole: when mole 'meets the train' in limbo to return to the real world, she still looks the same age as she always has throughout the movie. yet she (and leo) had been there for fifty years supposedly, and based on saito in the final limbo sequence, you obviously age in that realm.


but cool f*cking movie. lol

[dwight20-20]

just got back from it. it didn't quite live up to expectations as i watched, but going back will definitely be a treat to look forward to.

are you sure they weren't sedated in the second and third dream states, dwight? if not, perhaps the original sedative carries over for strange plot-related reasons?

side note / plot hole: when mole 'meets the train' in limbo to return to the real world, she still looks the same age as she always has throughout the movie. yet she (and leo) had been there for fifty years supposedly, and based on saito in the final limbo sequence, you obviously age in that realm.


but cool f*cking movie. lol

nevermind I forgot that their dream selves get sedated too. But anyway I think they did age. Even though they show them on the train track and they are the same age, when they get back to reality he says "we were old spirits put back into young bodies" then at the end she says "you promised we would grow old together" and he says "we did, you just don't remember." Then it shows them old walking together.

[knobs]

but when she gets hit by the train, she hasn't aged at all - when she should've aged 50 years, like the final shot of them walking away.

[TruthKGRay3412]

MIND=BLOWN.
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[OneMoreSucka]

Currently downloading to see what all the hype is about

[WADE MONEY]

would be better without the fourth frame.

[wang4three]

would be better without the fourth frame.

Was waiting for "Not sure if serious" for the last one.

[1manfastbreak]

Was waiting for "Not sure if serious" for the last one.

4th frame made me lol

[highwhey]

Currently downloading to see what all the hype is about
you will be mind raped over and over again

[markymark]

lol at the white boys slurping over a mediocre movie like it is great. Shrek 3 was better than this sh1t

:roll:

[brwnman]

Currently downloading to see what all the hype is about

Go to the theatres for this one. Firstly, it won't be good quality. Secondly, it's sick...

[Skywalker]

saw it twice in theatres, going a second time helps you understand the fundamentals more but it's still some confusing SH!T

i gave it 8.5/10, good movie

[GOBB]

Currently downloading to see what all the hype is about

Fail

[Juges8932]

Just got back from seeing it actually. Great and easily lived up to the billing. After 6+ months of hearing people going nuts over the trailer and then another week or two of people wetting themselves after they saw it, I was happy to see it actually live up to the hype.
:applause:

[Lebron23]

One of the best movies that I have ever seen in the Cinema. Chris Nolan is the best director today.

[bagelred]

Saw it today.

I'll give a more detailed commentary later, but I liked it, but didn't love it. It had a few problems.

This coming from a HUGE fan of Nolan's work. Love Memento, Dark Knight, and liked Insomnia and The Prestige.

[v-unit]

Just came back from it. Casting was unbelievable. Joseph Gordon-Levitt did amazing, makes me excited for Batman 3. That English guy was great too, then again, everyone was.

Favorite moments were when the projections simultaneously stopped talking and starred at you in that silence or whenever Marion Cottilard (Molly/Mol) did anything creepy like stab/stare/speak.

Probably the best movie I saw EVER. I have this easily higher than TDK and Shutter Island which were both classics to me simply because I don't know movies that much.

Questions:

So that first scene, that old Asian guy was that Asian guy who had to make that call to get him clearance to enter the US. So I thought you couldn't age in dreams? I know the old Asian guy aged and Leonardo did with his wife, but their kids never aged...?

If the whole thing was a dream, who's dream was it? Because through out the film, the spiral thing stop spinning showing that it wasn't his dream at the time. So does that mean when it stopped spinning, they were in someone else's dream WHILE being in his dream?

[Agent_Zero]

you're waiting for a train...a train that will take you far away

:pimp:

[ZeN]

I just came back from watching it again. Its a freakin' masterpiece. Also, watching it a second time has reaffirmed my belief in my theory.

[No.45]

oh my crap this movie was good. my first IMAX movie, the experience was beyond words...

[RaininThrees]

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/07/inception_score_also_read_the.php

[QUOTE]did you realize the big "Bum bum! Dreams!" part of Hans Zimmer's Inception score is largely

[chazzy]

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/07/inception_score_also_read_the.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM

[hooops1]

Saw it last night, was really good, although i don't rate the action scenes that much. Grabs your attention so the 2.5 hours go by really quick and when you leave it's feels like you've accomplished something.
However two things I had a problem with that may have explanations;

- Why doesn't the shift in gravity transfer through all the different levels? They were in free fall in the van so there was no gravity in the hotel. So why doesn't this effect get passed down to the next dream state?

-When the wake up in the plane, why doesn't Fischer find it suss that all the prominent players in his dream are on the plane with him? Especially as Cobb directly confronts him in the dream and says "i am not real, I was trained into your mind to defend you". The he's just there on the plane?
Furthermore, if Fischer had of had training, he would know the process involved. i.e. hook up everyone to the machine, so should be clued in.
And finally they make the point of getting the fvck out before Saito wakes up on the train so as to avoid confrontation. So the mark obviously remembers the dreams.

May have been covered in earlier posts, only read to page 7 or so, so apologies if this is the case

[oh the horror]

I liked the movie, but I wasnt completely head over heels with it.



Was anyone else confused by this movie? Seems to me, like its something that needs to be seen at LEAST twice to "get it" fully.....too much is going on, and a lot of sh*t is compacted into the movie to soak it up initially....at least thats how I felt.



I left the theater feeling like "am I an idiot for not getting it??"

[vapid]

I liked the movie, but I wasnt completely head over heels with it.



Was anyone else confused by this movie? Seems to me, like its something that needs to be seen at LEAST twice to "get it" fully.....too much is going on, and a lot of sh*t is compacted into the movie to soak it up initially....at least thats how I felt.



I left the theater feeling like "am I an idiot for not getting it??"


I went with 10+ people and they all understood the crucial parts of the movie. There are some little details that take discussion and review to clarify but I felt the movie did a very good job in defining boundaries, threats and objectives.

[steve]

- Why doesn't the shift in gravity transfer through all the different levels? They were in free fall in the van so there was no gravity in the hotel. So why doesn't this effect get passed down to the next dream state?
There wasn't a shift in gravity, but there were effects being felt further down in the dreams. When Car flips for the first time, causing the gravity to go all loopy in the hotel, that's when the avalanche hits in the mountainside dream. Also, I take it as the way they explained Saito being shot. Further down the pipeline you go, the less the dreams further up have an effect on the present one (i.e. the van flipping would still make them feel an effect, but it would lessened, so when the van is in freefall, it's the new constant state, so there's no real noticeable effect in the mountain dream).


-When the wake up in the plane, why doesn't Fischer find it suss that all the prominent players in his dream are on the plane with him? Especially as Cobb directly confronts him in the dream and says "i am not real, I was trained into your mind to defend you". The he's just there on the plane?
I'd think about like this, have you ever had a dream where you recognized people that you hadn't seen before? He could easily just assume that the team being in his dream were just because they were the most recent people he'd seen. Notice how they all make eye contact with Fisher, with Eames and Cobb especially making contact with him. Also think about what Cobb said earlier in the movie about how you don't realize anything is odd in the dream until you wake up.


Furthermore, if Fischer had of had training, he would know the process involved. i.e. hook up everyone to the machine, so should be clued in.
Well, his subconscious had been trained to sort of defend itself when he's asleep, but that doesn't necessarily means he knows the ins and outs the way that Cobb and his team do. Fisher came off as being familiar with the concept but was still in the dark about a lot of things.


And finally they make the point of getting the fvck out before Saito wakes up on the train so as to avoid confrontation. So the mark obviously remembers the dreams.
Well, keep in mind that Saito had actually sought out Cobb, so was a bit more prepared for things when he finally woke up from the dream. Fisher wasn't expecting anything.

[wang4three]

I don't know if it's been posted, but this is a really interesting review for the movie:

http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html

It serves as a very good interpretation for me.

[hooops1]

Thanks steve, clears much up.

[artex]

brb putting thoughts into peoples brains

[w00terz]

Just watched it. Total mind****. I understood some stuff but there were many things that I was confused on. This is the type of movie you definitely have to see multiple times to know what's going on.

[Grinder]

On vacation in India and saw it two days ago on the largest screen I've ever seen. This screen had to be twice the size of an IMAX and had ridiculous surround sound...the movie was amazing on it.

I really enjoyed the movie but I definitely had to think about some scenes afterwards to clear it up. I like movies that make you think like this one, Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons, etc.

Some things that I need cleared up:

- Why does Saito grow old while everyone else stays the same age?
- Why does Mal suddenly decide to try to stab him after he says she's not good enough? Wouldn't killing him defeat the purpose of them being together forever?
- Eames poses as Browning to convince Fischer that he betrayed him, correct? Browning was actually loyal to Fischer?

[tpols]

On vacation in India and saw it two days ago on the largest screen I've ever seen. This screen had to be twice the size of an IMAX and had ridiculous surround sound...the movie was amazing on it.

I really enjoyed the movie but I definitely had to think about some scenes afterwards to clear it up. I like movies that make you think like this one, Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons, etc.

Some things that I need cleared up:

- Why does Saito grow old while everyone else stays the same age?
- Why does Mal suddenly decide to try to stab him after he says she's not good enough? Wouldn't killing him defeat the purpose of them being together forever?
- Eames poses as Browning to convince Fischer that he betrayed him, correct? Browning was actually loyal to Fischer?
-dicaprio was in limbo all that time and came back through waking up. Saito was in reality the whole time and aged much quicker. But can anyone answer why DiCaprio woke up on the shore when he exited limbo and returned to reality? And how did they go from the scene with the old saito-dicaprio confrontation to back on the plane? What was the transition? What did 'bitter old man with regrets' mean? What was its signifigance?

-Mal is dead. Every scene she is in is a projection of Dicaprio's. Dicaprio felt so guilty when he told her about how he planted the idea in her head that he expected his projection of mal to have some kind of negative reaction to it (hence the stabbing).

-yeah thats how they convince fischer that people are f!cking with him, which makes him go along with their plan to escape.

What were they doing in the beginning scene with young saito?

Why did saito approach them in reality with a contract after fighting them in the dream worlds when they were trying to steal his ideas? Why wasn't he hostile towards them?

Why did that freight train come through in the first fischer level?

Why were they being shot at in the first world? Fischer had no idea he was dreaming. I thought the subconscious attacks only when the dreamer realizes he/she is dreaming?

Why did mal/the kids keep appearing in certain spots? Were the architects plans triggering dicaprio's fears/memories/emotions? More specifically what caused her to come into the snow level?

Why did Dicaprio wash upon the shore after exiting limbo?

[Quizno]

here's an article you guys might enjoy, it seems pretty inarguable to me

http://revolvingdoorproject.net/2010/07/23/inception-what-happened-at-the-end/

[goldenryan]

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14200000/More-Inception-Macros-inception-2010-14258021-400-562.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14200000/More-Inception-Macros-inception-2010-14258007-388-1021.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14200000/Inception-Macros-Funny-inception-2010-14243127-627-1051.jpg

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6tmgiuC7y1qanb21o1_500.jpg

http://images.yuku.com/image/x-png/c6f35b984c54b8f9a35fdda00768fb825d4339a.x-png

[brantonli]

-dicaprio was in limbo all that time and came back through waking up. Saito was in reality the whole time and aged much quicker. But can anyone answer why DiCaprio woke up on the shore when he exited limbo and returned to reality? And how did they go from the scene with the old saito-dicaprio confrontation to back on the plane? What was the transition? What did 'bitter old man with regrets' mean? What was its signifigance?

-Mal is dead. Every scene she is in is a projection of Dicaprio's. Dicaprio felt so guilty when he told her about how he planted the idea in her head that he expected his projection of mal to have some kind of negative reaction to it (hence the stabbing).

-yeah thats how they convince fischer that people are f!cking with him, which makes him go along with their plan to escape.

What were they doing in the beginning scene with young saito?

Why did saito approach them in reality with a contract after fighting them in the dream worlds when they were trying to steal his ideas? Why wasn't he hostile towards them?

Why did that freight train come through in the first fischer level?

Why were they being shot at in the first world? Fischer had no idea he was dreaming. I thought the subconscious attacks only when the dreamer realizes he/she is dreaming?

Why did mal/the kids keep appearing in certain spots? Were the architects plans triggering dicaprio's fears/memories/emotions? More specifically what caused her to come into the snow level?

Why did Dicaprio wash upon the shore after exiting limbo?

In reality, Saito said that the first 'dream within a dream' was just an audition, which is why he contracted them later on. The freight train I think was from Dicaprio's mind (I think it's the same train as when he and Mal lie on the train track). You're right that the subconscious attacks when he realises it's a crazy dream, but Fischer has been specially trained so that ANY invasion of his mind results in an armed retaliation. I think the fact that his kids kept appearing signaled how much Dicaprio missed them, and that he was never really 100% focused on the job.

but I always thought that after the snow mountain, when they went into a 4th level, only THEN Dicaprio goes to limbo and finds Saito, right? I probably have to go and watch it again to find out.

[wang4three]

http://i36.tinypic.com/14niipy.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

http://i36.tinypic.com/14niipy.jpg



:roll:

[takeittothehoop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1G9aQaVdhk

lol watch it..it's the true meaing of inception.

[Hulk Hogan]

Just saw this... definitely the best movie I have seen in 2 years...:applause:

[Captain Kirk]

Just saw this... definitely the best movie I have seen in 2 years...:applause:

Really? That's unfortunate.

[brooks_thompson]

go easy on the hulkster. he's had a rough last 2 years

[ThaSwagg3r]

I have been playing Madden 12 recently and the Inception trailer music is in the Intro of Madden 12.....and I remember I watched most of this movie in school in like May. I watched it in AP Psych and the AP testing of the class was done so we were just watching movies (I'm assuming those of you who took AP classes know what I am talking about?) and we watched Inception as the last one. We didn't get to finish it though, I think we ended it at the part where Cobb and Mal were in that building? I don't remember very well, 4th state I believe.

So I watched the ending today and I.....like many others and many others who have told me was somewhat confused on the ending.



Just saw it a few hours ago. I thought it was an original and creative concpet (even though it had some similar elements to the Matrix), GREAT visual effects and camera work, and solid acting. I thought the plot became a bit convoluted with the dreams inside of dreams inside of more dreams/layers concept. It would've been better if they found a different way to symbolically show a journey into the subconscious instead of more hooking into dialysis machines and sedation. I feel like it was just a ploy to set up the final series of non stop explosions. But other than that, I thought the writing was well done.

The ending... He was not dreaming. 3 issues- when he and Ellen Page's character were in his dream and in his house, he made it clear to her that that particular segment was created by his memory and that no matter what he did, he could not see his children's faces, no matter how badly he wanted to. So unless he found some new methods of recreation, those were his kids in the real world (or however you want to look at it). Secondly, why would Fischer, his team, and his father suddenly be in his dream/memory-created state when only his wife and kids had been before. Only other person who was in that 'place' was Page when she herself was under. Unless everyone he saw in the final scene was under with him, I doubt he was dreaming. Last, the trinket was clearly wobbling and looked as if it was coming to a stop/going to topple over. Obviously Nolan wanted it to be ambiguous but earlier in the movie, whenever they wanted the effect of perpetual motion they achieved it. The only thing that made me think it may have been imagined was the surrealistic, ideal feel of the ending scene.

Just my take.

:applause: Well said. I do believe that the director/writer was trying to make more of a point than a story......like all directors/movie writers that end on open for interpretations.

[Lebron23]

The movie is a masterpiece. Just watched it again. I think Cobb got a happy ending. And the last sequence ain't a dream.