Kobe Bryant's athleticism is severly underrated because of his skills.

[tgan3]

I have people always telling me his an "average athlete" or at most "above average athlete" and not a "freak athlete".

For one, almost every NBA starter HAS to be at least an average athlete in the first place to condition themselves in games. Anyway, classifying Kobe as just "above average" is very wrong, look at some of the dunks he does, the one on steve nash and howard both had me jumping out of my seat.

Guys let me recap you with some of his dunks:

Dunk of the year candidate vs Hornets(Reverse pump dunk):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGEB8EfHu4

Incredible alley oop from fisher(even the commentators say that it was a sh1tty pass by fisher yet Kobe somehow got it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2xMQEqlCI

Dunk on Howard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJpANQxfSuQ

Show me videos of Pierce or Roy(pretty good athlete) doing a reverse pump dunk in the game.

Kobe isn't tier 1 freak athlete (Lebron James, Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Josh Smith, Desmond Mason, Shannon Brown) but his tier 2( Iguodala, Jr Smith, Wade)

Anyone still unconvinced please watch this top 100 kobe dunks and refresh your memory:

top 100 dunk mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6LChpQ2N9Q

[bdreason]

He's definitely athletic, but it's something you can tell he really worked for. He has also lost a step since his early days, but so does everyone. The fact that he continues to be one of the top players in the NBA despite his loss of athleticism is a testament to his incredible will to always get better.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

he WAS extremely athletic...top shelf.
today, he is somewhat less so...as should be expected of someone with that much mileage.

[Indian guy]

I'd love to know who these "people" are, because I've never heard anyone call Kobe an average athlete. In his physical prime(00-05), he was a Top 3-5 athlete to ever play at his position.

[TheLogo]

Kobe was sick back in the days. I have him as one of the best in-game dunkers in history.

Just go youtube his dunk videos and you will see what I am talking about.

Too bad people failed to see this.

[tgan3]

I rank Paul Pierce as a Slightly Above NBA caliber athlete....so....



From the other thread. WHAT???!! Pierce a better athlete then Kobe?:lol

[jstern]

He was never a freak like a Lebron or Jordan, but very stylish none the less. I think his genetics past comes more from the side of Africa where the marathon runners come from, rather then where the slaves came from.

[laronprofit9]

In Kobe's physical prime, he was the 2nd best in-game dunker in the league.

Only VC was a better in-game dunker.

Kobe imo was a more creative dunker than a prime TMac.
A better dunker than D-Wade ever was.
J-Rich didn't have as many great in-game dunks as Kobe, while Kobe was in his prime

In terms of creativity, Kobe was arguably the best in-game dunker along with VC.

1. Behind-the-Back 360 Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqVm-cKHjk

2. Baseline Windmill Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=007Sw-mmUgU

3. Baseline Windmill Reverse Dunk (again)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaYTvH4xUxk

4. Baseline 2-Hand Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0EjndPFqI

5. Baseline Double-Clutch 180 Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urV5eelT_EE

6. Double Pump Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGEB8EfHu4

I really don't see many players today pulling off those type of dunks DURING A GAME.

In terms of creativity, Prime Kobe was the 2nd best in-game dunker behind Vince Carter.

[tgan3]

He was never a freak like a Lebron or Jordan, but very stylish none the less. I think his genetics past comes more from the side of Africa where the marathon runners come from, rather then where the slaves came from.

Just a notch below them, but because his footwork and offensive awareness is so great. People tend to think of him as a "skill player" rather then someone who dominates through athleticism(which is true), though he is a very good athlete.

[KobeDaMamba]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1897/kobereverseoverkg6ln1hs.gif

[Swaggin916]

Roy could do those dunks if he wanted... but his wingspan and reach are probably at least 3+ inches shorter than Kobe's... so that's something to think about. Peirce just slat out could never do those... he just isn't that explosive.

To be a great offensive player tho you don't need to be a freak... you just need to be very smart, have good footwork, fakes, etc. To be a great defensive player you need to have that athleticism... but you can be a good/very good one with good instincts/quick hands (Ron Artest).

At this point... Kobe is probably like equivalent to the guy at the park/gym who doesn't really jump that high or move very fast, but always seems to score. I mean that's kinda at the level Kobe is right now.

[New York Knicks]

Nah, it always looks like he has to really extend himself to finish dunks where guys Josh Smith, Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, etc...made dunking look easy. I've never classified Kobe as a freak athlete.

[tgan3]

In Kobe's physical prime, he was the 2nd best in-game dunker in the league.

Only VC was a better in-game dunker.

Kobe imo was a more creative dunker than a prime TMac.
A better dunker than D-Wade ever was.
J-Rich didn't have as many great in-game dunks as Kobe, while Kobe was in his prime

In terms of creativity, Kobe was arguably the best in-game dunker along with VC.

1. Behind-the-Back 360 Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqVm-cKHjk

2. Baseline Windmill Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=007Sw-mmUgU

3. Baseline Windmill Reverse Dunk (again)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaYTvH4xUxk

4. Baseline 2-Hand Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0EjndPFqI

5. Baseline Double-Clutch 180 Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urV5eelT_EE

6. Double Pump Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGEB8EfHu4

I really don't see many players today pulling off those type of dunks DURING A GAME.

In terms of creativity, Prime Kobe was the 2nd best in-game dunker behind Vince Carter.

Nice find mate.
You don't even see Brandon Roy putting up this kind of dunks..Yet theres another poster saying Pierce is a better athlete then Kobe..:roll:

[New York Knicks]

Just a notch below them, but because his footwork and offensive awareness is so great. People tend to think of him as a "skill player" rather then someone who dominates through athleticism(which is true), though he is a very good athlete.
Not saying he's not a good athlete, but he's not a freak athlete.

[New York Knicks]

And btw, I'm talking about by NBA standards. By NBA standards he is NOT a freak athlete, but obviously he's a freak athlete compared to us mere mortals.

[imnew09]

Not saying he's not a good athlete, but he's not a freak athlete.

If Kobe wasnt a freak athlete back then, then what is the definition of "freak athlete" to you?
Breaking backboards?

[New York Knicks]

If he was so athletic he'd spent most of his time dunking on everyone and not shooting fadeaways even in his athletic prime. He's always taken a majority of his shots on the perimeter. People think it's because maybe he just has poor shot selection. And that's true. But it's also due to him not ever really having that Jordan/Wade-type explosion needed to get by people at will. Also, Kobe has very small hands that make it much more difficult to finish at the rim.

[Batz]

If he was so athletic he'd spent most of his time dunking on everyone and not shooting fadeaways even in his athletic prime. He's always taken a majority of his shots on the perimeter. People think it's because maybe he just has poor shot selection. And that's true. But it's also due to him not ever really having that Jordan/Wade-type explosion needed to get by people at will. Also, Kobe has very small hands that make it much more difficult to finish at the rim.
You have never watched Kobe in his prime.

[New York Knicks]

If Kobe wasnt a freak athlete back then, then what is the definition of "freak athlete" to you?
Breaking backboards?
Jordan/LeBron/Carter/J-Smoove, even young T-Mac. Those guys are freak athletes. Kobe's definitely above average. But he's not top tier. He's a level or two below.

[New York Knicks]

You have never watched Kobe in his prime.
I watched plenty of his prime. People like to play revisionist history with Kobe. But he was never this amazing physical specimen. He was a very good athlete, but not top-tier.

[jstern]

If he was so athletic he'd spent most of his time dunking on everyone and not shooting fadeaways even in his athletic prime. He's always taken a majority of his shots on the perimeter. People think it's because maybe he just has poor shot selection. And that's true. But it's also due to him not ever really having that Jordan/Wade-type explosion needed to get by people at will. Also, Kobe has very small hands that make it much more difficult to finish at the rim.
I've always said that. Even Kobe has said something similar, though referencing his hands. But I've always felt that he shot more jumpers because he just couldn't get to the hole like Jordan.

[New York Knicks]

I've always said that. Even Kobe has said something similar, though referencing his hands. But I've always felt that he shot more jumpers because he just couldn't get to the hole like Jordan.
And this isn't even a knock on Kobe. I don't know why Kobe fans want him to be viewed as perfect physically. It's a testament to his work ethic. I don't think Kobe was as gifted physically as others, but he still ended up being one of the best players ever.

[pete's montreux]

Just a notch below them, but because his footwork and offensive awareness is so great. People tend to think of him as a "skill player" rather then someone who dominates through athleticism(which is true), though he is a very good athlete.

Pierce could play above the rim just like anyone else could, he just didn't jump as high or have the hang-time. He banged on tons and tons of dudes back in the day. He was up until 08-09.

[New York Knicks]

Pierce could play above the rim just like anyone else could, he just didn't jump as high or have the hang-time. He banged on tons and tons of dudes back in the day. He was up until 08-09.
That's who I compare Kobe the most. I think the two are very similar with Kobe being slightly quicker in their primes. And Pierce being stronger and bulkier.

[pete's montreux]

In Kobe's physical prime, he was the 2nd best in-game dunker in the league.

Only VC was a better in-game dunker.

Kobe imo was a more creative dunker than a prime TMac.
A better dunker than D-Wade ever was.
J-Rich didn't have as many great in-game dunks as Kobe, while Kobe was in his prime

In terms of creativity, Kobe was arguably the best in-game dunker along with VC.

1. Behind-the-Back 360 Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqVm-cKHjk

2. Baseline Windmill Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=007Sw-mmUgU

3. Baseline Windmill Reverse Dunk (again)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaYTvH4xUxk

4. Baseline 2-Hand Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0EjndPFqI

5. Baseline Double-Clutch 180 Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urV5eelT_EE

6. Double Pump Reverse Dunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGEB8EfHu4

I really don't see many players today pulling off those type of dunks DURING A GAME.

In terms of creativity, Prime Kobe was the 2nd best in-game dunker behind Vince Carter.

I'm not doubting that Kobe was a great dunker, but 5/6 of those dunks are exactly the same with slight variations.

[LAClipsFan33]

I definitely think Kobe was more athletic prime for prime than Paul Pierce

[knightfall88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpzQiERt8I&playnext_from=TL&videos=OhNYKBcXPSI

An awesome mix of kobe from 2007 - 2009.

I only noticed a significant decline this season due to the finger/knee injury.

[pete's montreux]

That's who I compare Kobe the most. I think the two are very similar with Kobe being slightly quicker in their primes. And Pierce being stronger and bulkier.
Kobe was the more explosive scorer, but I think in their primes they were 1a 1b in terms of overall skill. They both can kill you from literally anywhere in all situations. They are both so versatile.

[TheLogo]

Kobe was the more explosive scorer, but I think in their primes they were 1a 1b in terms of overall skill. They both can kill you from literally anywhere in all situations. They are both so versatile.

Never thought people would jock Pierce like that.

[pete's montreux]

Never thought people would jock Pierce like that.

I don't know what this means.

[Fatal9]

http://i28.tinypic.com/8vyqdl.jpg

This is my favorite angle on any Kobe dunk ever. Unbelievable body control. Look at how he adjusts/kicks out his legs midair to get to the other side of the basket. Seriously, how many players ever could control their body to make a finish like that?

[Bladers]

Jordan/LeBron/Carter/J-Smoove, even young T-Mac. Those guys are freak athletes. Kobe's definitely above average. But he's not top tier. He's a level or two below.

Is that so? How many above average dunker can do a through their legs dunk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNsNTdp9xk


What about the elbow dunk which Kobe first did and VC stole it from him in the Dunk Contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLK0rz9pqDc


What about almost from the Free-throw line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

There was another one which was way closer to the freethrow line and he did it on a center. But i can't find it right now.

Here is another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIK0haszK0o&feature=related

[knightfall88]

Jordan's athleticism is average in todays game.

[LAClipsFan33]

Is that so? How many above average dunker can do a through their legs dunk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNsNTdp9xk


What about the elbow dunk which Kobe first did and VC stole it from him in the Dunk Contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLK0rz9pqDc


What about almost from the Free-throw line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

There was another one which was way closer to the freethrow line and he did it on a center. But i can't find it right now.

Here is another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIK0haszK0o&feature=related

C'mon son. Every year there's three or four 17 year olds in the McDonald's game that can do this.

[LAClipsFan33]

Jordan's athleticism is average in todays game.

Delete your account...start over. It's really your only option.

[Bladers]

C'mon son. Every year there's three or four 17 year olds in the McDonald's game that can do this.


We are talking about the NBA...
Who else in the NBA can do that?

[LAClipsFan33]

http://i28.tinypic.com/8vyqdl.jpg

This is my favorite angle on any Kobe dunk ever. Unbelievable body control. Look at how he adjusts/kicks out his legs midair to get to the other side of the basket. Seriously, how many players ever could control their body to make a finish like that?

Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Andre Igodala, Julius Erving, Demar Derozan, T-mac etc.

Pretty much anybody who can jump and is 6'6" - 6'8" and has an impressive wingspan

[LAClipsFan33]

We are talking about the NBA...
Who else in the NBA can do that?

There are probably over 100 players in the NBA who can do that. Amir Johnson can do that...nobody is in an uproar about it

[Bladers]

There are probably over 100 players in the NBA who can do that. Amir Johnson can do that...nobody is in an uproar about it

Where is the video evidence?
I don't want any if-ends-or-but.
Give me video evidence of them doing it or stfu!

[Desperado]

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/Kobe-MJ-kobe-bryant-7808823-730-540.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/51/el1oo2.jpg


http://images.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/black-mamba-5-rings-t-shirt.jpg

[Bladers]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/WooDyWooD_PaCKeR/729613m6ru8gy.gif

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/WooDyWooD_PaCKeR/6513582m0rq.gif

[chopchop20]

He's spectacular in the air (used to be at least). Only MJ could touch him on body control, hang time, and creativity

[LAClipsFan33]

Where is the video evidence?
I don't want any if-ends-or-but.
Give me video evidence of them doing it or stfu!

Watch from 2:15 on...Amir Johnson starts off through the legs then goes from 10 feet off of two feet off the glass. Obviously as high as he got on his through the legs (higher than Kobe was able to get) he can put his arm in the net too based on common sense.

[Bladers]

He's spectacular in the air (used to be at least). Only MJ could touch him on body control, hang time, and creativity

Can MJ touch this?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Kobe%20Bryant/z%20Gifs%20of%20Kobe%20Bryant/kbwow.gif

[LAClipsFan33]

Can MJ touch this?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Kobe%20Bryant/z%20Gifs%20of%20Kobe%20Bryant/kbwow.gif

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvxijHNWB4

[DixieNourmous]

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvxijHNWB4


I watched both, I would say Kobe had longer hang time and waited longer to release,, nice videos though
:cheers:

[Bladers]

I watched both, I would say Kobe had longer hang time and waited longer to release,, nice videos though
:cheers:


Indeed, Jordan releases it quickly. While Kobe waits for the defender to land before he release it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Bladers exhibiting yet again why Kobe fans are the lowest form of life on the internet. :oldlol:

[HighFlyer23]

Bladers exhibiting yet again why Kobe fans are the lowest form of life on the internet. :oldlol:

:applause:

[scm5]

Kobe is athletic, but not a freak athlete. At his peak, he was very athletic, but not to the level of Lebron.

However, Kobe has better body control and footwork than 99% of the players to ever play the sport which makes his life easier and makes whatever athleticism he has more usable.

[Jacks3]

If Kobe had 'freak' level athleticism he would have gone down as G.O.A.T.

[indiefan24]

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[KenneBell]

Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Andre Igodala, Julius Erving, Demar Derozan, T-mac etc.

Pretty much anybody who can jump and is 6'6" - 6'8" and has an impressive wingspan
I think only MJ, VC, and Dr.J have exhibited enough body control to do that dunk. And really, he's the only one out of all that you've mentioned that has done a dunk like that.

His jumping abilities and explosiveness were never in the super elite class but his stamina and body control are. There's not many people who can jump and fade in any direction to hit a shot. Not to mention the balance he exhibits on his pullup jumpers.

New York Knicks used to be BallersTalk before he got banned. He used to put Kobe's athleticism on the same level as Ray Allen and Larry Hughes. :oldlol:

[7_cody]

Kobe is probably the best baseline dunker I've ever seen (ingame). Dude is incredible, whenever he goes baseline like that, I'm up and off my chair waiting for something amazing. Other than that, I can think of one person who was a better ingame dunker, and that's Vince Carter. Not JRich, Wade, LeBron, none of those guys. LeBron is more explosive and his dunks are a little stronger due to his physical form (huge dude), but Kobe is more creative and can pull off my dunks.

In a dunk contest? Kobe would be great... no doubt. Everyone underistimates his athletic ability, because he doesn't really show it. His biggest weakness would be his smaller hands, which forces him to curl the ball up in his wrist rather than just flat out palming it. Kobe in a dunk contest would be amazing... however, I don't think he could be a prime MJ, Vince, or JRich in a dunk contest (all 3 in their dunking primes).

To those who are saying Kobe shoots jumpers because of his lack of athleticism, not true. Kobe is still extremely explosive and can get by his defenders at will. However, Kobe is concerned about the future and is looking for longetivity. He's already changed his game style to a less athletically demanding style that will keep him dominant in the NBA until he's a solid 36 +. He doesn't drive by everytime like Wade or LeBron because he doesn't need to. He shoots almost as good as those guys purely on jumpshots. Think about that for a second. Who do you think is tougher to guard? Almost every player and Coach in the NBA will tell you it's Kobe.

[7_cody]

Kobe is athletic, but not a freak athlete. At his peak, he was very athletic, but not to the level of Lebron.

However, Kobe has better body control and footwork than 99% of the players to ever play the sport which makes his life easier and makes whatever athleticism he has more usable.

Kobe in 02-03, back when he weighed 220 lbs, all muscle, was a hell of a lot more athletic than LeBron. But a different kind of athletic. However, Kobe has never been as big or strong as LeBron. And he's never been able to palm the ball as well as LeBron (all important for being able to drive in the lane and dunk on people).

It's like saying Shaq was more athletic than Kobe because he was taller, and bigger (and yes, Shaq was extremely athletic for someone his size).

[KenneBell]

Kobe in 02-03, back when he weighed 220 lbs, all muscle, was a hell of a lot more athletic than LeBron.
I don't know about more athletic but he was definitely one of the top perimeter athletes at that age.

[7_cody]

I don't know about more athletic but he was definitely one of the top perimeter athletes at that age.

Yep, like I said LeBron will always be stronger and bigger. But he's not quicker. His stamina is nowhere near Kobe's. I have no idea about who'd have the higher vertical, but I'd think it's Kobe. Kobe at this time could tap the top of the box on the backboard. The very top. I'm not sure if LeBron can do that, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[KenneBell]

Yep, like I said LeBron will always be stronger and bigger. But he's not quicker. His stamina is nowhere near Kobe's. I have no idea about who'd have the higher vertical, but I'd think it's Kobe. Kobe at this time could tap the top of the box on the backboard. The very top. I'm not sure if LeBron can do that, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Off of one foot, LeBron can do anything. :oldlol:

Seriously though, his running vert is a good bit higher than Kobe's from what I'
I've seen. I don't think he'd have any problem dunking from the FT line if he really tried.

[VeeCee15]

Those reverse baseline dunks he does, DOES NOT require a lot of hops..at his height u just needs to jump 30 inches to pull them off.

Seriously...real dunkers know that Kobe isn't an ELITE athlete..he is above average. He has around a 34 inch vertical tops.

[DKLaker]

Off of one foot, LeBron can do anything. :oldlol:

Seriously though, his running vert is a good bit higher than Kobe's from what I'
I've seen. I don't think he'd have any problem dunking from the FT line if he really tried.

Sorry....gotta say it, I wish Lebron wasn't such a weak minded chicken sh!t and would actually compete in the dunk contest at least once.

[KenneBell]

Seriously...real dunkers know that Kobe isn't an ELITE athlete..he is above average. He has around a 34 inch vertical tops.
:oldlol:

Maybe right now. When he was young, it was a good bit higher than that.

[Indian guy]

But he's not quicker.

Kobe has a better first step, but I don't know if he's quicker off a live dribble in a half-court setting.


His stamina is nowhere near Kobe's.

I don't know how you've come to this conclusion. LeBron has a career average of over 40 mpg, despite having one of the most taxing playing styles in the game - what with his excessive ball domination and the pounding he takes inside. He still manages to be at his best at the end of games. Kobe's renowned for his stamina too, but even if I take the best 7 year stretch of his career, he still averages less mpg than LeBron currently does. Doesn't really touch LeBron's career highs in mpg either.


I have no idea about who'd have the higher vertical

Kobe's better off 2 feet, obviously. LeBron could very well be the greatest 1-footed leaper in NBA history.

Kobe's a phenomenal athlete, but outside of his first step and 2-footed leaping, he really has nothing on LeBron. Especially when you factor in LeBron's size.

[Younggrease]

Those reverse baseline dunks he does, DOES NOT require a lot of hops..at his height u just needs to jump 30 inches to pull them off.

Seriously...real dunkers know that Kobe isn't an ELITE athlete..he is above average. He has around a 34 inch vertical tops.

there is more to athletism then vertical leap...but you prob cant grasp that simple concept

[KenneBell]

Kobe's a phenomenal athlete, but outside of his first step and 2-footed leaping, he really has nothing on LeBron.
Body control and balance. I can't blame that on LeBron though, its hard to stop 260 pounds.

[heyhey]

there is more to athletism then vertical leap...but you prob cant grasp that simple concept

EXACTLY! Kobe Bryant's body control and coordination is so far above Lebron's. Those two qualities elevate Kobe to an elite athlete.

People think athleticism is all about jumping high... footwork, coordination, flexibility etc are all components of athleticism.

[Bladers]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/360/Kobe%20Bryant/360kb1-2.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/360/Kobe%20Bryant/360kb1-1.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/360/Kobe%20Bryant/360kb3-2.gif

[Bladers]

Kobe flies over IVO (2008 Playoffs)

http://fliiby.com/file/270693/0rf83srbc5.html

[LAClipsFan33]

EXACTLY! Kobe Bryant's body control and coordination is so far above Lebron's. Those two qualities elevate Kobe to an elite athlete.

People think athleticism is all about jumping high... footwork, coordination, flexibility etc are all components of athleticism.

Footwork and flexibility are not a part of athleticism.

Natural speed, quickness, strength, coordination, and explosiveness about sums it up.

Footwork is a skill. Flexibility comes from training and stretching.

[DC Zephyrs]

By NBA standards he's an above average athlete at the 2 guard, but he's still an awesome in-game dunker (or was). VC is probably the only player of this era with better in-game dunks.

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVnZweSYP6A#t=1m35s

18 year old kobe getting head near rim level, years away from his physical prime. You can also checkout the 360 layup as a 19 year old right after...

[LAClipsFan33]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVnZweSYP6A#t=1m35s

18 year old kobe getting head near rim level, years away from his physical prime. You can also checkout the 360 layup as a 19 year old right after...

On that 90s Lakers clip he doesn't even get his 3 inch afro up to the rim. He's more than 3 inches short every time.

This is a freak...3 inches shorter getting up higher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9fNb8blGo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZd2koUMrk

[eliteballer]

The clip where his head is near rim level is BALD Kobe

[DixieNourmous]

On that 90s Lakers clip he doesn't even get his 3 inch afro up to the rim. He's more than 3 inches short every time.
You were here last night making sure every good Kobe post was sh1t on.

Here you are today.. saying anything, doing anything and sucking on anything you can to make sure we know your agenda,,, again!

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[OldSchoolBBall]

If Kobe had 'freak' level athleticism he would have gone down as G.O.A.T.

Not really, no. His subpar (relative to other GOAT players) basketball IQ and decision making always would have kept him from that.

[LAClipsFan33]

You were here last night making sure every good Kobe post was sh1t on.

Here you are today.. saying anything, doing anything and sucking on anything you can can to make sure we know your agenda,,, again!

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq347/thedirtnap/ALBundyGTFO.gif

Go away F@G

Stop following me around envisioning me sucking things

[DixieNourmous]

Go away F@G

Stop following me around envisioning me sucking things
Take a sec and read through this thread

Can you see how someone (other than you) would see LAClipsFan33 as a total azzholer?

If you cannot see it at all, there is no hope for you.



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[heyhey]

Footwork and flexibility are not a part of athleticism.

Natural speed, quickness, strength, coordination, and explosiveness about sums it up.

Footwork is a skill. Flexibility comes from training and stretching.

footwork is a byproduct of coordination and body control. Saying flexibility comes from training and stretching is like saying explosiveness comes from jumping and training. Yea you can train at it but some people have more natural inclination towards it.

[LA KB24]

Jordan's athleticism is average in todays game.
Lol shut the f*ck up.

[chopchop20]

Probably the 2nd greatest finisher of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug8VH0qrgpI&feature=related

[chopchop20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVnZweSYP6A#t=1m35s

18 year old kobe getting head near rim level, years away from his physical prime. You can also checkout the 360 layup as a 19 year old right after...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6LChpQ2N9Q&feature=related

[OldSchoolBBall]

Probably the 2nd greatest finisher of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug8VH0qrgpI&feature=related

Nah. Top 3-5 though. MJ, Dr. J and possibly Lebron/TMac (prime) are above him. Definitely MJ and Dr. J.

[Nastradamus]

From the other thread. WHAT???!! Pierce a better athlete then Kobe?:lol

Is this a joke? Pierce isn't even known for being athletic. More strong and versatile. I've never seen Pierce do a 360 dunk or something explosive like that.

[Nastradamus]

Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Andre Igodala, Julius Erving, Demar Derozan, T-mac etc.

Pretty much anybody who can jump and is 6'6" - 6'8" and has an impressive wingspan
so, the elite athletes? Check and mate

[Nastradamus]

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http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/WooDyWooD_PaCKeR/6513582m0rq.gif

these 2 should wrap up disussion

[chopchop20]

Nah. Top 3-5 though. MJ, Dr. J and possibly Lebron/TMac (prime) are above him. Definitely MJ and Dr. J.


I can't go with guys who never really did it a lot in games (T-Mac). Even Vince settled into a jumpshooter way too soon in his career. But for T-Mac, I just don't seem him Top 5 at all, probably not Top 10

LeBron's catalog is not big enough yet, he needs to keep making platinum hits.
Add more creativity (which is hard for a power dunker) and variety.

Dr. J kinda like LeBron, spectacular athlete but could use a little more variety. He's Top 5 in creativity easily though

[TheLogo]

I can't go with guys who never really did it a lot in games (T-Mac). Even Vince settled into a jumpshooter way too soon in his career. But for T-Mac, I just don't seem him Top 5 at all, probably not Top 10

LeBron's catalog is not big enough yet, he needs to keep making platinum hits.
Add more creativity (which is hard for a power dunker) and variety.

Dr. J kinda like LeBron, spectacular athlete but could use a little more variety. He's Top 5 in creativity easily though

kobe's #1

[Nastradamus]

Not really, no. His subpar (relative to other GOAT players) basketball IQ and decision making always would have kept him from that.

Hilariously off

[thejumpa]

Is this a joke? Pierce isn't even known for being athletic. More strong and versatile. I've never seen Pierce do a 360 dunk or something explosive like that.

I wouldn't he's more athletic than Kobe, but to able to move like he does at 6'6 230 pounds, he's definitely above average.

No, Pierce isn't known on ISH for being athletic. That's probably because the majority of you guys obsess over who can jump the highest and dunk the hardest.

I must say, when I saw that dunk Kobe had against Minnesota back in 01-02, my jaw dropped. I hated him so damn much that I couldn't bring myself to say "Damn, that was a filthy ass dunk" lmao

I still maintain that he has more athleticism left than people think. His quickness is still there, his handles are still there, and he can run and stop on a dime. When he dunks, his legs look gone...almost too gone.

[LAClipsFan33]

so, the elite athletes? Check and mate

Did I not say Kobe was an elite athlete ? Pay Attention

He is elite. More athletic than 90% of the league in his prime, but there is a level in that 10% that are more athletic and can do things he couldn't do

[LAClipsFan33]

footwork is a byproduct of coordination and body control. Saying flexibility comes from training and stretching is like saying explosiveness comes from jumping and training. Yea you can train at it but some people have more natural inclination towards it.

Flexibility can be gained much easier than things like explosiveness, speed, and quickness. That's why I classify it more as a think to work on.

Footwork is a skill to be learned within the rules of basketball. Your not born knowing how to do a reverse pivot, but some are born with the ability to jump higher, have better coordination, and run faster than the average person. Would a person with better coordination have an easier time learning footwork ? Yes. At the same time a person with better hand eye coordination would have an easier time learning how to hit a baseball properly. Regardless they are both skills to be learned.

[LAClipsFan33]

Take a sec and read through this thread

Can you see how someone (other than you) would see LAClipsFan33 as a total azzholer?

If you cannot see it at all, there is no hope for you.



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I'm done. Get off my dick. Go dream about sucking someone elses.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I can't go with guys who never really did it a lot in games (T-Mac). Even Vince settled into a jumpshooter way too soon in his career. But for T-Mac, I just don't seem him Top 5 at all, probably not Top 10

LeBron's catalog is not big enough yet, he needs to keep making platinum hits.
Add more creativity (which is hard for a power dunker) and variety.

Dr. J kinda like LeBron, spectacular athlete but could use a little more variety. He's Top 5 in creativity easily though

No offense, but did you even watch TMac from '01-'04? Dude was a SPECTACULAR finisher with both hands as well as strong over the top of people. He had it all -- finger rolls, reverses, dunks, insne hangtime and body control, you name it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Hilariously off

Actually no, it's completely accurate. His basketball IQ and decision making aren't close to guys like MJ/KAJ/Magic/Bird etc.

[chopchop20]

Flexibility can be gained much easier than things like explosiveness, speed, and quickness. That's why I classify it more as a think to work on.

Footwork is a skill to be learned within the rules of basketball. Your not born knowing how to do a reverse pivot, but some are born with the ability to jump higher, have better coordination, and run faster than the average person. Would a person with better coordination have an easier time learning footwork ? Yes. At the same time a person with better hand eye coordination would have an easier time learning how to hit a baseball properly. Regardless they are both skills to be learned.

Some people are born naturally flexible -- even double jointed

Footwork in the NBA is like footwork in dancing, sure you can practice and get better. But most of it is natural, no matter how much you practice -- most people can't dance like Michael Jackson could

[chopchop20]

No offense, but did you even watch TMac from '01-'04? Dude was a SPECTACULAR finisher with both hands as well as strong over the top of people. He had it all -- finger rolls, reverses, dunks, insne hangtime and body control, you name it.

Just watched this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzR2uwxQ_DI

He was better than I previously gave him credit for. Still not Top 5 IMO, case could be made for TOP 10 IF he had done more and had longer longevity

[LAClipsFan33]

Some people are born naturally flexible -- even double jointed

Footwork in the NBA is like footwork in dancing, sure you can practice and get better. But most of it is natural, no matter how much you practice -- most people can't dance like Michael Jackson could

I don't follow. Dancing ability is much more natural than NBA Footwork. NBA Footwork is more akin to choreographed dance...which through practice can often be learned the same by people with varying dancing abilities.

Some of the best footwork guys like Tim Duncan and Kevin McHale weren't really athletic. Other were like Kobe and Hakeem. I don't think athleticism is very connected to it. Its all about work.

[thejumpa]

No offense, but did you even watch TMac from '01-'04? Dude was a SPECTACULAR finisher with both hands as well as strong over the top of people. He had it all -- finger rolls, reverses, dunks, insne hangtime and body control, you name it.

:applause:

I think it's safe to assume that most people on this forum didn't see TMac play in 01-04. He was a beast though. It was amazing how easy the game looked for him.

[chopchop20]

I don't follow. Dancing ability is much more natural than NBA Footwork. NBA Footwork is more akin to choreographed dance...which through practice can often be learned the same by people with varying dancing abilities.

Some of the best footwork guys like Tim Duncan and Kevin McHale weren't really athletic. Other were like Kobe and Hakeem. I don't think athleticism is very connected to it. Its all about work.

Not trying to correlate footwork with athleticism in the classical sense. Just trying to show that it is more than a skill that can be practiced to perfection.
You have to have a higher degree of natural ability to master footwork.

So you're right in the context that McHale and Duncan aren't considered elite athletes. But they do possess more natural ability than most. If it was just a skill, more big men would have mastered it IMO

[LAClipsFan33]

If it was just a skill, more big men would have mastered it IMO

How many big men actually work today ? How many players actually work like they should ? Not many...that's why footwork is a dying skill in the NBA.

Steph Curry has it...because he worked on his fundamentals rigorously

I can't think of too many more from this generation coming up. They want to dunk, shoot from half court, and do pretty dribble moves.

[chopchop20]

How many big men actually work today ? How many players actually work like they should ? Not many...that's why footwork is a dying skill in the NBA.

Steph Curry has it...because he worked on his fundamentals rigorously

I can't think of too many more from this generation coming up. They want to dunk, shoot from half court, and do pretty dribble moves.

True, I agree up to a point. But don't you think most guys would realize how much great footwork could contribute to their overall game? To me it seems like this would be one of the most important fundamentals that would be taught, and thus practiced.

I'm not defending today's players as being hard workers, but I have to assume that footwork would be practiced a lot

As for Steph Curry you're right, he has the total game. I never understood the questions before he got drafted about his game translating to the NBA. I forget who it was, but I remember one GM comparing him to Kobe in terms having a solid skillset at such a young age

[LAClipsFan33]

True, I agree up to a point. But don't you think most guys would realize how much great footwork could contribute to their overall game? To me it seems like this would be one of the most important fundamentals that would be taught, and thus practiced.

I'm not defending today's players as being hard workers, but I have to assume that footwork would be practiced a lot

As for Steph Curry you're right, he has the total game. I never understood the questions before he got drafted about his game translating to the NBA. I forget who it was, but I remember one GM comparing him to Kobe in terms having a solid skillset at such a young age

I don't know what's wrong with these kids. If I had that type of talent and basketball was my job I'd be in the gym constantly. Building those skills builds consistency which makes your potential to make money grow and stay higher consistently. I guess they are pretty ignorant to this.

Yeah Steph is nice. I knew he would be successful because he is smart and can pull up off the dribble. People were saying he wouldn't be able to get his shot in the NBA, but if you can pull up off of a full speed dribble and hit a mid range jumper nobody will be able to stop you if your shot is on. As illustrated in some of his games this year.

[chopchop20]

I don't know what's wrong with these kids. If I had that type of talent and basketball was my job I'd be in the gym constantly. Building those skills builds consistency which makes your potential to make money grow and stay higher consistently. I guess they are pretty ignorant to this.

Yeah Steph is nice. I knew he would be successful because he is smart and can pull up off the dribble. People were saying he wouldn't be able to get his shot in the NBA, but if you can pull up off of a full speed dribble and hit a mid range jumper nobody will be able to stop you if your shot is on. As illustrated in some of his games this year.

+1 :applause:

[magnax1]

Kobe was never an amazing athlete. Was he top 1/3 at his position at his peak? Yeah, but he never really amazed me. The two best things about his athleticism were hes strength and his flexbility. He was a good, but never great athlete.

[New York Knicks]

Still amazes me how many people say, "well, when Kobe was young, he [insert lie here]" Hilarious. He was never this amazing top-tier athlete. He beat you with his advanced skillset. He never just got the ball and blew people at will, especially not in the half-court setting. And are people even watching the clips of Kobe they're posting? He gets no elevation at all and he's really stretching himself to be able to finish the dunk. Everything looks more difficult for Kobe.

[7_cody]

Still amazes me how many people say, "well, when Kobe was young, he [insert lie here]" Hilarious. He was never this amazing top-tier athlete. He beat you with his advanced skillset. He never just got the ball and blew people at will, especially not in the half-court setting. And are people even watching the clips of Kobe they're posting? He gets no elevation at all and he's really stretching himself to be able to finish the dunk. Everything looks more difficult for Kobe.

When you watch Kobe dunk it or pull off some amazing feat athletically, or even watch Kobe highlights on youtube or something -- it looks difficult for him? Really? I'm not seeing that at all... to me, it all looks easy and effortless.

And Kobe could elevate with the best of them when he was young. Phil Jackson and Shaq have both reported that Kobe beat Shaq in a vertical competition at a summer camp when Kobe touched the top of the box at the backboard. Doesn't get much better than that, for any player, any time.

[New York Knicks]

When you watch Kobe dunk it or pull off some amazing feat athletically, or even watch Kobe highlights on youtube or something -- it looks difficult for him? Really? I'm not seeing that at all... to me, it all looks easy and effortless.

And Kobe could elevate with the best of them when he was young. Phil Jackson and Shaq have both reported that Kobe beat Shaq in a vertical competition at a summer camp when Kobe touched the top of the box at the backboard. Doesn't get much better than that, for any player, any time.
Lol. That's a lie. Kobe's vertical is the weakest part of his athletic package.

[chopchop20]

Still amazes me how many people say, "well, when Kobe was young, he [insert lie here]" Hilarious. He was never this amazing top-tier athlete. He beat you with his advanced skillset. He never just got the ball and blew people at will, especially not in the half-court setting. And are people even watching the clips of Kobe they're posting? He gets no elevation at all and he's really stretching himself to be able to finish the dunk. Everything looks more difficult for Kobe.

Upload your YouTube clips

[Andrei89]

I have him as one of the best in-game dunkers in history.

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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[KenneBell]

Still amazes me how many people say, "well, when Kobe was young, he [insert lie here]" Hilarious. He was never this amazing top-tier athlete. He beat you with his advanced skillset. He never just got the ball and blew people at will, especially not in the half-court setting. And are people even watching the clips of Kobe they're posting? He gets no elevation at all and he's really stretching himself to be able to finish the dunk. Everything looks more difficult for Kobe.
Same old ballersTalk. Gross exaggeration at its best.

This looks like no elevation at all to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPOE8uAjrXU&feature=related

Nope can't blow by anyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4cE1XXLI7M

[Jacks3]

Not really, no. His subpar (relative to other GOAT players) basketball IQ and decision making always would have kept him from that.
lol @ this. Kobe has one of the highest basketball IQ's in history. There's a reason he's dominating in his 14th season in the league, or that he's mastered the triangle offense more than anyone. Watch the games. Kobe with freak level athleticism would be incredible.

[7_cody]

Lol. That's a lie. Kobe's vertical is the weakest part of his athletic package.

No, it's not a lie. I heard Shaq say it myself.

[PP34Deuce]

For the record, I never said Pierce is a better athlete than Kobe Bryant. If guys would notice my post better.. I said....

I've always considered Paul Pierce to be an above average NBA athlete. While i consider Kobe a very good one.

Kobe is a very good athlete and was a great athlete in his prime.

And Paul Pierce was an above average athlete. Dunking on Chris Bosh,3 hawks players, and Marcus Camby isnt just "average"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYoI9ZE-tsw&feature=related

But back to Kobe, He was one of the quickest 2guards. Honestly if you compare his quickness and speed to VC,Tmac, he was clearly quicker than them. VC was all vertical and strength. He never could play defense because he could never move laterally quickly.

I hear a lot about UPs in this discussion but all the afromentioned players had edges over their peers in diff ways.

Lebron-Elite/Freak speed,ups,and Strength(average quickness)
VC-Elite Ups,strength(average quickness,good speed)
Kobe-Elite quickness,good speed good vertical, decent strength

[7_cody]

For the record, I never said Pierce is a better athlete than Kobe Bryant. If guys would notice my post better.. I said....

I've always considered Paul Pierce to be an above average NBA athlete. While i consider Kobe a very good one.

Kobe is a very good athlete and was a great athlete in his prime.

And Paul Pierce was an above average athlete. Dunking on Chris Bosh,3 hawks players, and Marcus Camby isnt just "average"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYoI9ZE-tsw&feature=related

But back to Kobe, He was one of the quickest 2guards. Honestly if you compare his quickness and speed to VC,Tmac, he was clearly quicker than them. VC was all vertical and strength. He never could play defense because he could never move laterally quickly.

I hear a lot about UPs in this discussion but all the afromentioned players had edges over their peers in diff ways.

Lebron-Elite/Freak speed,ups,and Strength(average quickness)
VC-Elite Ups,strength(average quickness,good speed)
Kobe-Elite quickness,good speed good vertical, decent strength

I agree with all that. PP was not just an average defender in his prime. He could keep up with the best athletically speaking.

[Ikill]

Those reverse baseline dunks he does, DOES NOT require a lot of hops..at his height u just needs to jump 30 inches to pull them off.

Seriously...real dunkers know that Kobe isn't an ELITE athlete..he is above average. He has around a 34 inch vertical tops.
yeah his head is about 10 inch away from rim thats about 32 thats average

[Ikill]

he only has like a 32 inch vertical your calling that good :lol thats my vertical wow and im 16

[New York Knicks]

yeah his head is about 10 inch away from rim thats about 32 thats average
Exactly. Kobe fans engaging in revisionist history as usual. Kobe was 'very good' in various physical categories, but he's not elite in any of them.

[Bladers]

Can any one tell me any one in the NBA that can do this!
except for VC, Tmac, and Lebron.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/WooDyWooD_PaCKeR/729613m6ru8gy.gif

[New York Knicks]

Can any one tell me any one in the NBA that can do this!
except for VC, Tmac, and Lebron.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/WooDyWooD_PaCKeR/729613m6ru8gy.gif
He barely gets up off the floor. He has to stretch his freakishly long arms. How is that related to athleticism?

The reason Kobe always looks like he's 'stretching' is because he has a lower vertical than the elites.

[Bladers]

he only has like a 32 inch vertical your calling that good :lol thats my vertical wow and im 16

Then i guess you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

[PP34Deuce]

He barely gets up off the floor. He has to stretch his freakishly long arms. How is that related to athleticism?

The reason Kobe always looks like he's 'stretching' is because he has a lower vertical than the elites.


LOL Kobe doesnt have freakishly long arms. Deng,Lebron,Wade,Rondo have crazy long arms. I dont even like Kobe but it seems like people feel theneed to nitpick every lil thing he does that maynot be a clear cut advantage.

[Bladers]

He barely gets up off the floor. He has to stretch his freakishly long arms. How is that related to athleticism?

The reason Kobe always looks like he's 'stretching' is because he has a lower vertical than the elites.


You fcuking dumb nut. He did this on Ben Wallace.
He had to extend cause he hit a brick wall (ben wallace) and ben wasn't moving!

What the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jFhh2qTZs&feature=related

What this one. fts away from the freethrow line. tell me anyone besides tmac, vs, and lebron that can do that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

[Ikill]

You fcuking dumb nut. He did this on Ben Wallace.
He had to extend cause he hit a brick wall (ben wallace) and ben wasn't moving!

What the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jFhh2qTZs&feature=related
long arms are equally important as good vertical in doing nice dunks did you know Brandon roy has a 41 inch vertical while iguodala has 34 inch vertical

[Ikill]

Then i guess you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ
yeah did you know that im 6 feet and hes 6'6

[TheLogo]

I bow down to that troll that said he has the same vert as Kobe.

He can do that dunk like Kobe, he says.

:hammerhead:

[New York Knicks]

You fcuking dumb nut. He did this on Ben Wallace.
He had to extend cause he hit a brick wall (ben wallace) and ben wasn't moving!

What the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jFhh2qTZs&feature=related

What this one. fts away from the freethrow line. tell me anyone besides tmac, vs, and lebron that can do that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ
Look where Kobe's foot is on that 2nd video. He took several steps forward before jumping. Nowhere near the FT line. That's not impressive at all. Look how he has to gather himself all the time instead of just exploding off one foot. Stop with the revisionist history. Kobe was never an elite athlete by NBA standards. And if people have to compare him to us (average joes), it makes him look that much worse.

[Bladers]

long arms are equally important as good vertical in doing nice dunks did you know Brandon roy has a 41 inch vertical while iguodala has 34 inch vertical

LOL do you know how long Lebron arms are? His arms are like King Kong compared to Kobe. and he has bigger hands too, and is able to palm the Ball in mid air. Taller as well, What's that sports discovery show, they did a thingy on Lebron.


Watch this dunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIK0haszK0o&feature=related

[Ikill]

Then i guess you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ
and watch i will be doing that in a couple years :lol

[TheLogo]

Look where Kobe's foot is on that 2nd video. He took several steps forward before jumping. Nowhere near the FT line. That's not impressive at all. Look how he has to gather himself all the time instead of just exploding off one foot. Stop with the revisionist history. Kobe was never an elite athlete by NBA standards. And if people have to compare him to us (average joes), it makes him look that much worse.

You noobs are funny.

Suddenly that's not a great athletic feat because he didn't launch off of one foot.

2 foot dunks are harder man....and throw in that distance he launced, it's quite impressive.

[New York Knicks]

LOL do you know how long Lebron arms are? His arms are like King Kong compared to Kobe. and he has bigger hands to be able to palm the Ball in mid air. What's that sports discovery show, they did a thingy on Lebron.


Watch this dunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIK0haszK0o&feature=related
With his head two feet below the rim. How utterly unimpressive. Has he ever even dunked on someone ACTIVELY trying to block his shot instead of trying to take charges like the Dwight and Yao dunks.

[Ikill]

LOL do you know how long Lebron arms are? His arms are like King Kong compared to Kobe. and he has bigger hands to be able to palm the Ball in mid air. What's that sports discovery show, they did a thingy on Lebron.


Watch this dunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIK0haszK0o&feature=related
still lebron gets his head at the rim or close to it so hes got to have 38 plus vertical most likely 40

[New York Knicks]

You noobs are funny.

Suddenly that's not a great athletic feat because he didn't launch off of one foot.

2 foot dunks are harder man....and throw in that distance he launced, it's quite impressive.
2-foot dunkers are a dime a dozen. Great 1-foot leapers are rare. Kobe's an above average athlete for a 6'6 SG. He's just flashier than the average SG.

[Ikill]

I bow down to that troll that said he has the same vert as Kobe.

He can do that dunk like Kobe, he says.

:hammerhead:
i never said i could like kobe i said i have around the same vertical wow i said he just an average jumper 32 inch that nothing special

[Ikill]

2-foot dunkers are a dime a dozen. Great 1-foot leapers are rare. Kobe's an above average athlete for a 6'6 SG. He's just flashier than the average SG.
yeah roy and mayo have 41 inch verticals but kobe looks more athletic than them cause he is flashier

[Bladers]

With his head two feet below the rim. How utterly unimpressive. Has he ever even dunked on someone ACTIVELY trying to block his shot instead of trying to take charges like the Dwight and Yao dunks.


LOL @ this troll!


Look where Kobe's foot is on that 2nd video. He took several steps forward before jumping. Nowhere near the FT line. That's not impressive at all. Look how he has to gather himself all the time instead of just exploding off one foot. Stop with the revisionist history. Kobe was never an elite athlete by NBA standards. And if people have to compare him to us (average joes), it makes him look that much worse.

Since that's not impressive, and since you can dunk like Kobe... Why don't you have youTube videos of you dunking?

I want to see you do a between your legs like Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNsNTdp9xk

[KenneBell]

yeah roy and mayo have 41 inch verticals but kobe looks more athletic than them cause he is flashier
Mayo's vert is around 35. His running vert was 41. Not the same.

[New York Knicks]

LOL @ this troll!



Since that's not impressive, ans since you can dunk like Kobe... Why don't you have youTube videos of you dunking?

I want to see you do a between your legs like Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vNsNTdp9xk
Because I'm not 6'6? If you have to compare him to me (a non-NBA player), Kobe must really not be that good. BTW, the was probably the worst Dunk contest in NBA history. Kobe wasn't even the first to do that dunk.

[KenneBell]

Now the criteria has changed to Kobe's not that athletic because he's not an insane jumping off of one foot. :roll:

Laughable at best. Same old same old. I'm done trying convince trolls just trying to say something contradictory to create an argument.

[New York Knicks]

Now the criteria has changed to Kobe's not that athletic because he's not an insane jumping off of one foot. :roll:

Laughable at best. Same old same old. I'm done trying convince trolls just trying to say something contradictory to create an argument.
Who said he wasn't athletic? I'm saying he's not an elite athlete by NBA standards. By the standards of the human race, obviously he's an elite athlete. Why do you Kobe nutjobs feel the need to make Kobe look like this perfect basketball specimen? Same old Kobe fans trying to revise history to catch Jordan.

[Swaggin916]

long arms are equally important as good vertical in doing nice dunks did you know Brandon roy has a 41 inch vertical while iguodala has 34 inch vertical

Well I'm sure Iggy's vert is higher now. everybody reaches their max potential at different ages. When Iggy came in his was only a 34... but it's more like a 38 now you can tell because his head is right at the rim and he's 6'7.

But yea you are certainly right... longer arms certainly help you put it in the cup. With a high vert you can do a lot of things in the air... but guys like NAte aren't able to put in crazy dunks cus their arms just aren't long enough. I'me like 3 inches taller than Nate but his wingspan is nearly 4 inches longer than mine and his reach is a half inch higher... so he could still throw in better dunks than me (not by much but he could) even if our verts were the same. He could certainly throw in dunks from further out with a wingspan 3 inches longer than mine.

[KenneBell]

Same old Kobe fans trying to revise history to catch Jordan.
Where did I ever compare him to Jordan?

[Bladers]

Because I'm not 6'6? If you have to compare him to me (a non-NBA player), Kobe must really not be that good. BTW, the was probably the worst Dunk contest in NBA history. Kobe wasn't even the first to do that dunk.

LMAO @ the hate. Your the one comparing Kobe to you. So show us dunks!:roll: :roll: If you can't then STFU!

and were you watching the dunk contest When VC stole Kobe's elbow dunk in 2000 dunk? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLK0rz9pqDc

[eliteballer]

:oldlol: Yeah guys, this is an average highlight reel for an NBA player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

[Ikill]

Mayo's vert is around 35. His running vert was 41. Not the same.
yeah for all players im talking about running vertical standing vertical is only important for bigs

[TheLogo]

:oldlol: Yeah guys, this is an average highlight reel for an NBA player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

that video just ended all debate.

[Ikill]

:oldlol: Yeah guys, this is an average highlight reel for an NBA player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs
do you find a 32 inch vertical impressive

[Bladers]

:oldlol: Yeah guys, this is an average highlight reel for an NBA player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

Haven't you heard, that with Kobe there is a different standard? Its much higher than anyother NBA player in history. With any other player they have to reach the ceiling. With Kobe, he has to touch heaven before its seen as impressive.

LOL @ 2:30, half step away from the FREE THROW LINE!
Jumped with one leg too!:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bladers]

do you find a 32 inch vertical impressive

Name me players that can dunk from half step from the free throw line?
That has done it. bring video evidence aswell.

There are only 3 in our era, Tmac, Vc and Lebron!

[Ikill]

Name me players that can dunk from half step from the free throw line?
That has done it. bring video evidence aswell.

There are only 3 in our era, Tmac, Vc and Lebron!
do you think he is a good athlete today i say hes average not he was good when he was young

[Bladers]

do you think he is a good athlete today i say hes average not he was good when he was young


TODAY? WTF HE'S 32.
You don't judge a person's atheletism from when their OLD. Damn your a NOOB!
I guess i can't blame you cause your 16 and only been watching NBA for like 3-4 years...

Anyone else catch the last dunk? HE tossed it up and put it through his legs.
VC also stole that in the 2000 dunk contest!

[New York Knicks]

Name me players that can dunk from half step from the free throw line?
That has done it. bring video evidence aswell.

There are only 3 in our era, Tmac, Vc and Lebron!
Half-step? That was at least 2 full steps. Get your eyes checked.

[New York Knicks]

TODAY? WTF HE'S 32.
You don't judge a person's atheletism from when their OLD. Damn your a NOOB!
I guess i can't blame you cause your 16 and only been watching NBA for like 3-4 years...

Anyone else catch the last dunk? HE tossed it up and put it through his legs.
VC also stole that in the 2000 dunk contest!
JR Rider did that before Kobe.

[New York Knicks]

LMAO @ the hate. Your the one comparing Kobe to you. So show us dunks!:roll: :roll: If you can't then STFU!

and were you watching the dunk contest When VC stole Kobe's elbow dunk in 2000 dunk? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLK0rz9pqDc
JJ Redick could probably outdunk me too since he's got 5-6 inches on me. Do I have to proclaim him an elite athlete now?

[StacksOnDeck]

JJ Redick could probably outdunk me too since he's got 5-6 inches on me. Do I have to proclaim him an elite athlete now?

You've been owned throughout this thread. Just log out.

[Ikill]

being a good dunker is not only about athleticism

[Bladers]

You've been owned throughout this thread. Just log out.

There is no point talking to this dude...
He's been OWNED multiple times, its not even funny anymore!

[Bladers]

being a good dunker is not only about athleticism

That video owned you too.
So chill out, watch it and grab some rope and chair and get it over with already!:rant

[Ikill]

That video owned you too.
So chill out, watch it and grab some rope and chair and get it over with already!:rant
ok what are you trying to say kobe is the most athletic player in the NBA??

[New York Knicks]

You've been owned throughout this thread. Just log out.
Cute. Kobe fans sticking up for each other.

[Bladers]

Half-step? That was at least 2 full steps. Get your eyes checked.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/Bladerskb/kobedunk.png

Self ban please!

[New York Knicks]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/Bladerskb/kobedunk.png

Self ban please!
LOL I guess this guy doesn't know what depth perception is.

[gxL]

If Kobe wasnt a freak athlete back then, then what is the definition of "freak athlete" to you?
Breaking backboards?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jMOK87N7A

[KenneBell]

do you find a 32 inch vertical impressive
This is not indicative of a 32 inch vert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkbqRObOg0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkbqRObOg0I#t=0m44s)

[JM720]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRTJV_wfAes

Jordan Kobe countdown

[LAClipsFan33]

This is not indicative of a 32 inch vert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkbqRObOg0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkbqRObOg0I#t=0m44s)

His head looks to be about 6 inches lower than the rim. for a guy that's 6'6" that's a 36" jump. Well above 32"...

The idea that Kobe's vert would be only 32" is stupid. I had a 33" vert in high school and I'm only an above average athlete. Not elite at all.

[Bladers]

His head looks to be about 6 inches lower than the rim. for a guy that's 6'6" that's a 36" jump. Well above 32"...

The idea that Kobe's vert would be only 32" is stupid. I had a 33" vert in high school and I'm only an above average athlete. Not elite at all.

Could you dunk half step away from the Freethrow line?
If not! STFU!

[KenneBell]

His head looks to be about 6 inches lower than the rim. for a guy that's 6'6" that's a 36" jump. Well above 32"...

The idea that Kobe's vert would be only 32" is stupid. I had a 33" vert in high school and I'm only an above average athlete. Not elite at all.
Yeah. After searching it seems that the rim is 6 inches from the bottom of the backboard so he might be a bit higher than that.

Bottom line, he's not a freak athlete but his athleticism(not just running and jumping) isn't approached by many.

[LAClipsFan33]

Could you dunk half step away from the Freethrow line?
If not! STFU!

When I had a 33" Vert I was 5'5" (Sophmore in HS)

Find me a guy 5'5" with average length arms with a 33" vert that can dunk at all and I'll STFU

[catch24]

His head looks to be about 6 inches lower than the rim. for a guy that's 6'6" that's a 36" jump. Well above 32"...

The idea that Kobe's vert would be only 32" is stupid. I had a 33" vert in high school and I'm only an above average athlete. Not elite at all.

Being an 'elite athlete' isn't JUST based on how high you jump :oldlol:

[LAClipsFan33]

Yeah. After searching it seems that the rim is 6 inches from the bottom of the backboard so he might be a bit higher than that.

Bottom line, he's not a freak athlete but his athleticism(not just running and jumping) isn't approached by many.

True. He was more athletic than the majority of the league. I never disputed this.

I was just pointing to the tier of VC, Shawn Kemp, David Thompson, Michael Jordan type who are a level above him.

[LAClipsFan33]

Being an 'elite athlete' isn't JUST based on how high you jump :oldlol:

I could run pretty fast, had good coordination, and had good change of direction too. Of course I know that's not all there is.

[Ikill]

When I had a 33" Vert I was 5'5" (Sophmore in HS)

Find me a guy 5'5" with average length arms with a 33" vert that can dunk at all and I'll STFU
im a sophmore have a 32 inch vertical and i am 6 feet and i can clean dunk with two or one hand in games but its hard i think i get 6-8 inches above the rim

[LAClipsFan33]

im a sophmore have a 32 inch vertical and i am 6 feet and i can clean dunk with two or one hand in games but its hard i think i get 6-8 inches above the rim

Back then if I was 6' I would have been able to dunk. I was 5'5" and could almost grab the rim.

I was a football player. I don't have long arms. My wingspan is the same as my height.

[nek1477]

Kobe will be in the top 5 GOAT dunkers of all-time, in his prime his vert was elite, not the best, i can only imagine if he was able to palm the ball instead of cupping it, he might have pulled of ever more spectacular dunks. But all in all his creativity made me put him in the top 5, with his facials, 180's, 360's, reverses, tomahawks, alleys, and breakaways dunks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMnlAvYxa4o) i was able to witness this dunk, i was lucky enough to get free tickets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrw4Zb7d9ZY) made it look so effortless. In his prime he was the best in-game dunker in the NBA (note, i think vc is the best dunker)
I was able to watch kobe since the 2001 season, too bad the real people who witness and remember kobe cant/unable to post on the forum, just those who been watching his last 2-3 years, which is end of his athletic prime, thats why they think hes average since they witness lebron and dwayde in their athletic prime. The good ol days, when i came home after work and catch a laker game, 03 was heaven :cheers:

my top 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycYVUqjSCbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycYVUqjSCbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxk69dF7Z18 came out of nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tFVOTprC_M :bowdown:hangtime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV2aUcg_bl0&feature=related

notable mention:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ9ShbI4lBA#t=2m11s pause at 2:24

[BayAreaBaller]

So if Kobe is such a great athlete and 1st team all D, why does he always guard smaller, less athletic guys? Why did LA bring in Artest for D? Cause Kobe is overrated on D as ****. Guys like Carmelo and Lebron eat his ass up, especially down low. Kobe only gives up an inch or two and is very athletic, but cant guard anyone bigger than him.

[PowerGlove]

Did anyone post that baseline reverse dunk against Minny? Boy I almost lost my mountain dew over that one.

[zass]

Don't know if this is posted before, but this dunk from kobe is the most impressive to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTpiy_D1JDA

look it how his body was twisted in the air.



but those are the old days. Kobe only dunks in fast break now.....

[KenneBell]

So if Kobe is such a great athlete and 1st team all D, why does he always guard smaller, less athletic guys? Why did LA bring in Artest for D? Cause Kobe is overrated on D as ****. Guys like Carmelo and Lebron eat his ass up, especially down low. Kobe only gives up an inch or two and is very athletic, but cant guard anyone bigger than him.
Those guys are taller, weigh more, and play a different position than he does. Just because he has a tough time with two guys that weigh a good 40-60 pounds more than he does, he overrated? :roll:

That's why wrestling and boxing have weight classes. Artest is in their size/weight class and plays the same position dumbass.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Threads like these is when the idiots come out, like everyone just loses their common sense and turns into a rambling idiot. Oh wait thats all of ish

[lefthook00]

So if Kobe is such a great athlete and 1st team all D, why does he always guard smaller, less athletic guys? Why did LA bring in Artest for D? Cause Kobe is overrated on D as ****. Guys like Carmelo and Lebron eat his ass up, especially down low. Kobe only gives up an inch or two and is very athletic, but cant guard anyone bigger than him.

He is on smaller guys so they don't go crazy and set records against Derek Fisher.

[laronprofit9]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7803/kobeverticle.jpg

The top lip of Kobe is at the same level as the bottom of the backboard.

Judging from this footage, his head is probably 3-4 inches above the bottom of the backboard.

His verticle would have to be 38-40 inches to pull that off.

Closer shot:

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1442/kobeverticle3.jpg

[nek1477]

http://i30.tinypic.com/21l0vmv.png

[Doranku]

So if Kobe is such a great athlete and 1st team all D, why does he always guard smaller, less athletic guys? Why did LA bring in Artest for D? Cause Kobe is overrated on D as ****. Guys like Carmelo and Lebron eat his ass up, especially down low. Kobe only gives up an inch or two and is very athletic, but cant guard anyone bigger than him.

I guess LeBron is overrated as **** on D because I don't see him out there guarding 6'10 300 pounders. :roll:

[Andrei89]

Kobe was sick back in the days. I have him as one of the best in-game dunkers in history.

Just go youtube his dunk videos and you will see what I am talking about.

Too bad people failed to see this.


http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy273/psyke117/guyslaughing.gif

[TheLogo]

Did anyone post that baseline reverse dunk against Minny? Boy I almost lost my mountain dew over that one.

yep.

I was at a sports bar when it happened and there were two dropped mugs after the play.

Swine flu.

[TheLogo]

Some of my favorites:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUNCUepk4Vw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-5PgSKCEw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvH2l1-_dQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUNCU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-5P...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvH2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI46i...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJp3I...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVtlU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ90O...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygM8Qd79O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xdwaoxI5Gs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPnUk7tLY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtc3vKE9W4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cstF9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JcUc...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iep2v...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61JE9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oerjb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khfSq...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBWm...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUNCU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-5P...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvH2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI46i...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJp3I...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVtlU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ90O...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygM8Qd79O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xdwaoxI5Gs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPnUk7tLY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtc3vKE9W4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cstF9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JcUc...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iep2v...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61JE9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oerjb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khfSq...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBWm...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI46ijefTq4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJp3IGRrHEU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVtlU6n_Dyw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ90OZu5qlc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygM8Qd79O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xdwaoxI5Gs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPnUk7tLY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtc3vKE9W4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cstF9B4AahU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JcUcd3h6o0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iep2vzxFj5E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61JE9E_1kFc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OerjbPy90lI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khfSqT9cvVo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBWmbnWSHk&feature=related


Enjoy and I will try to find more.

Swine fluness.

[eliteballer]

Kobe’s one of the best athletes in NBA history, Phil said hand size is the physical difference between him and Jordan.

[Bronbron23]

Kobe’s one of the best athletes in NBA history, Phil said hand size is the physical difference between him and Jordan.

Mj was also clearly more athletic. Mj was considerably faster and could jump higher off both 1 and 2. Mj also had stupid quick hops. He routinely dunked on people off of hop steps. It was like he was jumping off a trampoline. Kobe rarely did this.

That all said kobe isn't an average athlete. He was definitely elite.

[eliteballer]

Mj was also clearly more athletic. Mj was considerably faster and could jump higher off both 1 and 2. Mj also had stupid quick hops. He routinely dunked on people off of hop steps. It was like he was jumping off a trampoline. Kobe rarely did this.

That all said kobe isn't an average athlete. He was definitely elite.

No, Jordan was not faster. Jim Cleamons even said he thought Kobe would win a foot race. Kobe also has that ability to jump quickly without gathering, ie his dunk on Dwight. Vince Carter is someone who needs time to gather .

[eliteballer]

Another example of Kobe needing 0 time to gather on a
Jump: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAD8NEDxrxQ

[PP34Deuce]

Elite is rare. Rare to me is...

MJ
Lebron
Prime Derrick Rose
Prime Dwight Howard


Kobe was in the great category. his skill was much more based on how he got open. MJ/Lebron/Rose would just blow by people and not have to use 3-4 counters.

[rawimpact]

I think Paul George is also underrated athletically.

His athleticism pre-injury was impressive and still to this day I think he's the closest today to Kobe with his footwork.

[Bronbron23]

No, Jordan was not faster. Jim Cleamons even said he thought Kobe would win a foot race. Kobe also has that ability to jump quickly without gathering, ie his dunk on Dwight. Vince Carter is someone who needs time to gather .

Jim clemens must of meant kobe would win in a foot race against mj when he was coaching kobe and mj was in his late 30's because there's no way he's beating young or prime mj in a foot race. Mj was visibly faster and quicker than kobe. Mj has also been clocked at 4.4 40 and a mid 40's vertical. Kobe wouldn’t have been anywhere near that. Based on the eye test kobe would probably run a 4.6-4.7 and his vertical would be in the high 30's. Mj was just all around a better athlete but that's like saying bo jackson was a better athlete than Emmitt Smith. Both were ridiculous athletes but one was just better than the other.

[IllegalD]

Kobe’s one of the best athletes in NBA history, Phil said hand size is the physical difference between him and Jordan.

You realize MJ had a recorded vertical leap of 48 inches, right? While Kobe's was 38 inches. That makes a hell of a difference... Nobody is saying that Kobe is a mediocre athlete. But compared to guys like MJ, LeBron, Vince, TMac, Wade he is probably the least athletic/explosive of that bunch.

You're taking this as some kind of personal swipe against Kobe when in reality it's praise. It means that he got the most out of his god-given athletic ability than other players who SHOULD'VE been better than him through sheer work, preparation and determination. He's arguably the most all-around skilled basketball player when you combine shooting, handles, footwork.

One thing that Kobe definitely has over most of those guys is body control and his ability to contort his body mid-air and/or while being hit to get the shot off.

[eliteballer]

You realize MJ had a recorded vertical leap of 48 inches, right? While Kobe's was 38 inches. That makes a hell of a difference... Nobody is saying that Kobe is a mediocre athlete. But compared to guys like MJ, LeBron, Vince, TMac, Wade he is probably the least athletic/explosive of that bunch.

No, you dope. Those are not their record verticals. Those are made up online numbers.

[Bronbron23]

Another example of Kobe needing 0 time to gather on a
Jump: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAD8NEDxrxQ

Dude of course kobe can do that. Alot of players can. When i say quick hops I'm talking how quick u get off the floor. It's hard to explain but real ballers know what i mean. Some guys are just more springy and bouncy.
Alot of these guys have a quick second hop which is something mj also had that kobe didn't really have. Again it's like they're on a trampoline. It's like as soon as they land their toes barely touch the ground and they're springing back up. Zion for a big guy has very quick bouncy hops. Young mj was the same.

[IllegalD]

No, you dope. Those are not their record verticals. Those are made up online numbers.

Vertical leaps are regularly recorded during pre-daft workouts, you dumbass. Even naked eye-ball test one can tell that Kobe doesn't jump as high as MJ or Vince. It ain't quantum physics. Please take Kobe's d*ck out of your mouth. I'm as big a Kobe Stan as there is but you're getting defensive about something that you don't need to get defensive about.

[eliteballer]

Vertical leaps are regularly recorded during pre-daft workouts, you dumbass. Even naked eye-ball test one can tell that Kobe doesn't jump as high as MJ or Vince. It ain't quantum physics. Please take Kobe's d*ck out of your mouth. I'm as big a Kobe Stan as there is but you're getting defensive about something that you don't need to get defensive about.

Listen, Ishiot. Those are made up numbers and not officially recorded verticals. Even if they were true(and they are not) that means it would have been taken when Kobe was 17. The fact that you think Jordan can jump nearly a foot higher than Kobe shows complete delusion.

[Bronbron23]

Listen, Ishiot. Those are made up numbers and not officially recorded verticals. Even if they were true(and they are not) that means it would have been taken when Kobe was 17. The fact that you think Jordan can jump nearly a foot higher than Kobe shows complete delusion.

He definitely wasn't jumping a foot higher but half a foot is likely. Anyone who dosn't think mj can jump higher and run faster than kobe is in serious denial. The shit isn't debatable man. Now if you wanna talk skill that's a different story.

[ShawkFactory]

Listen, Ishiot. Those are made up numbers and not officially recorded verticals. Even if they were true(and they are not) that means it would have been taken when Kobe was 17. The fact that you think Jordan can jump nearly a foot higher than Kobe shows complete delusion.
Are you like...ok? Kobe did not ever at any point have the pure raw athleticism that MJ did. It’s weird to argue otherwise.

Kobe was absurdly coordinated used his movements to absolute perfection. But he couldn’t jump like that.

[eliteballer]

Are you like...ok? Kobe did not ever at any point have the pure raw athleticism that MJ did. It’s weird to argue otherwise.

Kobe was absurdly coordinated used his movements to absolute perfection. But he couldn’t jump like that.

Ya'll are acting like Jordan was getting his head above the rim everytime he dunked.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZx_X0nElmU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCwLFa9Q64



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtn5qhR9cvU

[FKAri]

So some Kobe fans are exaggerating his athleticism while other Kobe fans are underrating it to prop up his skills? And these two groups are arguing with each other? Only on ISH.

[Bronbron23]

Ya'll are acting like Jordan was getting his head above the rim everytime he dunked.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZx_X0nElmU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCwLFa9Q64



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtn5qhR9cvU

Nah he wasn't but your acting like kobe could run as fast and jump as high as mj and that's not the case either. Both were elite athletes but mj was a little bit more athletic. It's like saying Usain bolt was faster than tyson degrasse. Both were wicked fast but bolt was a bit faster.

[CTbasketball92]

I think Paul George is also underrated athletically.

His athleticism pre-injury was impressive and still to this day I think he's the closest today to Kobe with his footwork.

I gotta say, no offense, but posts like these make me think that people value the wrong parts of athleticism too much and forget how fast Kobe was. Kobe legitimately, at any age, made PG look like a slug whether north-to-south or east-to-west. He could go by defenders nearly at will with either his first step or his ability to start and stop and change directions and contorted his body to create finishing angles on the ground and in the air. That's why he had so many posters and a pretty high free throw rate in his prime. That's what made him a much deadlier scorer than PG, who really struggles if his jumper isn't falling. Throughout his career, PG has had a good amount of months where he'd average like 4 or 5 points below his season average, maybe even more.

Short area quickness, the ability to start and stop and change directions fluidly are up there with strength/power for most important athletic attributes. There are a lot of people that can jump (kinda) like MJ, but none match the fluid change of direction, coordination, dexterity, body control and all-around balance. PG is literally nowhere close to Kobe in these categories. Kobe is one of the most athletic players ever, people just don't know how to evaluate all-around athletic ability. MJ, LeBron, DWade, people like that are more athletic than Kobe, but that's it for shooting guards and wings. VC lacked the refined athleticism and the burst. TMac was never as quick.

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2NCcSxKLY

[Kobe_Bryant]

I was never a great athlete. I never got my head anywhere close to the rim. I was good at poster dunks cause I had no fear. my legs were ****ed all of 2004 after my knee procedure and then after by Dwight Howard dunk in 2005 I didn't have any lift from then on till my knee treatment in Germany. my best seasons came at times I was a below the rim player. I never depended on athleticism. I utilized footwork and pump fakes mostly and had small hands. played hurt 90% of the time and never needed a physical advantage over anyone to beat them like some people (((ahemmmm..roid)

[Axe]

I was never a great athlete. I never got my head anywhere close to the rim. I was good at poster dunks cause I had no fear. my legs were ****ed all of 2004 after my knee procedure and then after by Dwight Howard dunk in 2005 I didn't have any lift from then on till my knee treatment in Germany. my best seasons came at times I was a below the rim player. I never depended on athleticism. I utilized footwork and pump fakes mostly and had small hands. played hurt 90% of the time and never needed a physical advantage over anyone to beat them like some people (((ahemmmm..roid)
You were a ballhog also

[Lodi Dodi]

I find that his hand-eye coordination was severely underrated :applause:

[Phoenix]

Kobe and MJ have a lot of arguing points, I didn't know athleticism was one of them. Kobe had comparable fluidity and co-ordination but fell short on pure quickness and overall hops. I'm not sure prime Kobe was faster than 96 MJ( who gets underrated in the athleticism department. Dude was still very athletic when he came back).

[Phoenix]

Short area quickness, the ability to start and stop and change directions fluidly are up there with strength/power for most important athletic attributes. There are a lot of people that can jump (kinda) like MJ, but none match the fluid change of direction, coordination, dexterity, body control and all-around balance. PG is literally nowhere close to Kobe in these categories. Kobe is one of the most athletic players ever, people just don't know how to evaluate all-around athletic ability. MJ, LeBron, DWade, people like that are more athletic than Kobe, but that's it for shooting guards and wings. VC lacked the refined athleticism and the burst. TMac was never as quick.

Good summation.

[Shogon]

see below

[Shogon]

lol @ the idiots in this thread that don't think Kobe was athletic... **** out of here with this shit. If he had average level athleticism, he wouldn't have ever made the NBA, much less became an MVP. He was an all world athlete. Just because he wasn't LeBron or MJ level athletic doesn't mean he wasn't athletic... he was close. He had a really impressive first step, overall reaction time, and jumping ability.

Don't remember all of the alley oops? All of the high flying dunks? Kobe was very, very athletic.

I don't want to misspeak here and diminish his skills... clearly the guy worked on his game a **** ton and put a lot of work in mentally, but his athleticism is a huge part of why he was who he was.

[Shogon]

And we know his athleticism is a huge part of why he was who he was because as soon as he had that Achilles tear, his game fell off a cliff in terms of efficiency to the point that his last season was a complete joke. I'm not knocking him, but let's just call reality for what it is, shall we?

[Phoenix]

It's mostly guys like Tpol, Kenny Griffin who oversell the 'skill' aspect of his game as being the overwhelming reason for his success. Yes, Kobe was an all-world athlete, not MJ/Lebron level( but that's like GOAT level), but was an incredible athlete at his peak. One only need to look at his baseline dunks to see what kind of athleticism he had.

[Kobe_Bryant]

lol @ the idiots in this thread that don't think Kobe was athletic... **** out of here with this shit. If he had average level athleticism, he wouldn't have ever made the NBA, much less became an MVP. He was an all world athlete. Just because he wasn't LeBron or MJ level athletic doesn't mean he wasn't athletic... he was close. He had a really impressive first step, overall reaction time, and jumping ability.

Don't remember all of the alley oops? All of the high flying dunks? Kobe was very, very athletic.

I don't want to misspeak here and diminish his skills... clearly the guy worked on his game a **** ton and put a lot of work in mentally, but his athleticism is a huge part of why he was who he was.

I was a good athlete from 96-97 to 1999-00.. then a great athlete from 00-01 to 02-03. then a poor athlete from 03-04 to 2011-12 with a small window in 2005 before another injury setback

then good again for 2012-13. then the worst in league history from 2013-14 till 2015-16



my most accomplished seasons came with less athleticism than the guy that was defending me. I could only do a windmill dunk from 01 to 03

I know more about my body than anyone here. stop speaking for me

[Rysio]

I was a good athlete from 96-97 to 1999-00.. then a great athlete from 00-01 to 02-03. then a poor athlete from 03-04 to 2011-12 with a small window in 2005 before another injury setback

then good again for 2012-13. then the worst in league history from 2013-14 till 2015-16



my most accomplished seasons came with less athleticism than the guy that was defending me. I could only do a windmill dunk from 01 to 03

I know more about my body than anyone here. stop speaking for me

You don't do 360 dunks with ease if your a poor athlete.

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M2NCcSxKLY

...? Great game

[Kobe_Bryant]

You don't do 360 dunks with ease if your a poor athlete.

they were 180s. check again lol

my head barely reaches the bottom of the net

[HoopsNY]

Kobe's athleticism gets overlooked because his rise to stardom came as other guys entered the league who were also very athletic or superior athletes.

You had guys like T-Mac, Steve Francis, Vince, Baron Davis, Amare, Jason Richardson, LeBron, etc. So while Kobe stood out more from 1996-1999, the attention got split as he entered his prime years and more athletic talent came around.

Having said that, Kobe is one of the most athletic players of all-time and this just can't be denied.

[eliteballer]

Going to make my own thread and show y’all wsup…people talking out of their rears when all they’ve seen is Jordan highlight videos.

[Phoenix]

Going to make my own thread and show y’all wsup…people talking out of their rears when all they’ve seen is Jordan highlight videos.

You honestly think that anyone tuned into the NBA in the last 25 years hasn't seen enough Kobe?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Who???

[ShawkFactory]

Going to make my own thread and show y’all wsup…people talking out of their rears when all they’ve seen is Jordan highlight videos.

You're trying to argue that Kobe had the athleticism that Jordan did. It's ridiculous.

I suppose one can try and argue that Tom Brady has a stronger arm than Rodgers...but most would wonder what the fvck they're looking at. As is the case here.

[Axe]

I was a good athlete from 96-97 to 1999-00.. then a great athlete from 00-01 to 02-03. then a poor athlete from 03-04 to 2011-12 with a small window in 2005 before another injury setback

then good again for 2012-13. then the worst in league history from 2013-14 till 2015-16



my most accomplished seasons came with less athleticism than the guy that was defending me. I could only do a windmill dunk from 01 to 03

I know more about my body than anyone here. stop speaking for me
Liar lol

[Axe]

Who???
Welcome back :cheers:

[eliteballer]

Going to make my own thread and show y’all wsup…

Soon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IpbeXgtci4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pIgA5o_6po



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSpW0ELNw_0

[eliteballer]

https://i.insider.com/5453a67b6bb3f74231c62483?width=615

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IpbeXgtci4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pIgA5o_6po



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSpW0ELNw_0

SOON..

[ShawkFactory]

Soon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IpbeXgtci4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pIgA5o_6po



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSpW0ELNw_0

You are unhinged

[Axe]

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