We Now Have Proof That The NBA Allows PED Steroid Use [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 07:48 AM

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/medi/antiDopi/p/openNodeIDs/1230/selNodeID/1230/dopiCase.html

http://www.fiba.com/downloads/v3_expe/medi/decisions/2010/100716_Decision_Dixon.pdf

All the American NBA fans were claiming that Juan Dixon did not do steroids and it was just a mistake from a GNC supplement. That's because the tests showed he was doing steroids while he was in the NBA and the NBA tested him and NEVER once said anything about it.

He goes to Europe and immediately tests positive for anabolic steroids and the tests showed he would have been using them while in the NBA, INCLUDING during the period that he was tested by the NBA and they said he was "clean".

Because this proves that the NBA allows steroid use ESPN ran a fake fluff piece in the media saying it was a mistake and that Dixon would be "reinstated to his team within a week".

Well, he still has never been reinstated and after the investigation he has been banned for another year in addition to the time he has already been banned.

Because he DID use performance enhancing anabolic steroids.

So this means now that it is 100% PROVEN than Juan Dixon used performance enhancing anabolic steroids while in the NBA, while he was playing in the NBA, while he was drug tested in the NBA and "passed" and not one thing was ever said about it by the NBA and he was never suspended.

He went to Europe and was immediately banned upon being tested.

So we now have irrefutable proof that the NBA allows its players to use performance enhancing steroids. It is no longer a debate. We now know for a fact that it is true.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/medi/antiDopi/p/openNodeIDs/1230/selNodeID/1230/dopiCase.html

http://www.fiba.com/downloads/v3_expe/medi/decisions/2010/100716_Decision_Dixon.pdf

Nero Tulip

07-19-2010, 07:59 AM

Wait, you mean Dwight Howard and Lebron James didn't get that strong through only hard work? Damn, can't believe it.

PowerGlove

07-19-2010, 08:02 AM

JUAN DIXON?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

dough

07-19-2010, 08:04 AM

You do understand the US has different definitions and rules for steroids and drugs than Europe, don;'t you?

OmniStrife

07-19-2010, 08:05 AM

How much more proof do you need???
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7145/nash.png

Batz

07-19-2010, 08:07 AM

Who the f...?

niko

07-19-2010, 08:17 AM

You did this once before, and it was a stupid discussion. Why bring this up again?

BigTicket

07-19-2010, 08:18 AM

Of course they allow PED, as does the NFL.

Probably a smarter route to take than the MLB. Just as many drugs, but a lot fewer controversies.

Vicp493

07-19-2010, 08:23 AM

By show of hands, who cares about Juan Dixon?

StroShow4

07-19-2010, 08:24 AM

I forgot about Juan Dixon. Didn't expect to read his name on ISH this morning.

triangleoffense

07-19-2010, 08:26 AM

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wang4three

07-19-2010, 08:32 AM

Yay for circumstantial evidence.

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:33 AM

You do understand the US has different definitions and rules for steroids and drugs than Europe, don;'t you?

Yes. The NBA allows anabolic steroid use. ULEB does not.

GMW

07-19-2010, 08:34 AM

Well of course they do. You just need to look at someone like Dwight Howard to know that.

chains5000

07-19-2010, 08:35 AM

Yes. The NBA allows anabolic steroid use. ULEB does not.
A bit simplistic. So if ONE player gets caught then ALL of them use drugs too?

wang4three

07-19-2010, 08:39 AM

A bit simplistic. So if ONE player gets caught then ALL of them use drugs too?

Yup! Nevermind that, despite being a former CPOY and College Champion, he really wasn't that good in the NBA and maybe needed steroids to stay competitive! Nevermind that our best boys have been playing in the FIBA WC, Qualifying events, and the Olympics year after year and no testing results about steroid use has ever been found! No, Juan Dixon is the unequivocal proof! Ofcourse...

niko

07-19-2010, 08:39 AM

[url]All the American NBA fans were claiming that Juan Dixon did not do steroids and it was just a mistake from a GNC supplement. That's because the tests showed he was doing steroids while he was in the NBA and the NBA tested him and NEVER once said anything about it.

:rolleyes:

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:39 AM

Yay for circumstantial evidence.

There is no circumstantial evidence. This is now for a fact. FIBA did a thorough investigation of it (over months).

And Americans still deny that the NBA players have clemency from testing at the Olympics and the FIBA national team competitions, even though in Europe it is always reported that NBA players are allowed to test positive at these events under the NBA's special contract with the FIBA and Olympic committees.

How much longer are NBA fans going to pretend and live in this delusional fairy tale that NBA players are not doping?

The fact that Dixon was confirmed to be using anabolic steroids during the time the NBA tested him and that the NBA allowed him to play, never banned him, never reported it, is a red flag.

In fact US media never had that kind of evidence against MLB or Bonds when they started reporting about it.

The fact that US media is ignoring this story is also extremely suspicious.

Maybe the idiots at ESPN need to have emails sent to them about it. Someone will bring it up. American NBA fans actually still believe that NBA players are not doping, which is laughable.

niko

07-19-2010, 08:41 AM

There is no circumstantial evidence. This is now ofor a fact. FIBA did a thorough investigation of it.

And Americans still deny that the NBA players have clemency from testing at the Olympics and the FIBA national team competitions, even though in Europe it is always reported that NBA players are allowed to test positive at these events under the NBA's special contract with the FIBA and Olympic committees.

How much longer are NBA fans going to pretend and living in this delusional fairy tale that NBA players are not doping?

The fact that Dixon was confirmed to be using anabolic steroids during the time the NBA tested him and that the NBA allowed him to play, never banned him, never reported it, is a red flag.

In fact US media never had that kind of evidence against MLB or Bonds when they started reported about it.

The fact that US media is ignoring this story is also extremely suspicious.

Maybe the idiots at ESPN need to have emails sent to them about it. Someone will bring it up. American NBA fans actually still believe that NBA players are not doping, which is laughable.

Now that you have made such a clear, lucid argument, i totally agree with you. Everyone, please stop being racist, hating NBA fans who do not see the beauty, and the (drug free) amazing skillfull play that eurobasketball provides. Plus, they have murders, riots, etc. NBA fans don't care enough to murder. Right?

FIGHT THE POWER LAKAS! :rockon:

Go Getter

07-19-2010, 08:41 AM

Yeah because there was no way for him to mask his urine for the NBA test...

Its not like bigger better players like Anderson & Lewis werent caught using.

wang4three

07-19-2010, 08:44 AM

There is no circumstantial evidence. This is now ofor a fact. FIBA did a thorough investigation of it.

And Americans still deny that the NBA players have clemency from testing at the Olympics and the FIBA national team competitions, even though in Europe it is always reported that NBA players are allowed to test positive at these events under the NBA's special contract with the FIBA and Olympic committees.

How much longer are NBA fans going to pretend and living in this delusional fairy tale that NBA players are not doping?

The fact that Dixon was confirmed to be using anabolic steroids during the time the NBA tested him and that the NBA allowed him to play, never banned him, never reported it, is a red flag.

In fact US media never had that kind of evidence against MLB or Bonds when they started reported about it.

The fact that US media is ignoring this story is also extremely suspicious.

Maybe the idiots at ESPN need to have emails sent to them about it. Someone will bring it up. American NBA fans actually still believe that NBA players are not doping, which is laughable.

You found ONE guy that did steroid use. Year after year, we have American NBA, college, even highschoolers playing in overseas in Europe.. Yet you've found maybe a handful (if that), that have tested positive for steroid use. What about the other 100+ or so players playing in Europe? I find it highly dubious you can even suggest anything conclusive other than this.

Talk about delusion? You're just a sensational poster. Every negative fact that comes out you use it as a masquerade to make a blanket statement about the US and its players. I bet if DeMarcus Nelson admitted to being a homosexual you'd claim that all NBA players were gay.

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:47 AM

A bit simplistic. So if ONE player gets caught then ALL of them use drugs too?

You are the simplistic one. Dixon was caught ONLY after being tested in Europe. That's the point. The tests show he would have been using in the NBA and using during the time when the NBA tested him and said he was "clean".

The NBA testing a guy using ANABOLIC STEROIDS and either ignored the test or simply did not do anything about it.

Are you actually suggesting that such a scenario is just one player? That no other players would use steroids if they knew that even a positive test would be ignored and go unpunished?

Sure..............

The NBA suspended 2 players for steroid use and said they were "mistakes" and "over the counter". Yet meanwhile a guy was using anabolic steroids and was tested by the NBA during the time he used them and nothing was ever said about it and he was never suspended.

Looks like it is incredibly obvious that the NBA occasionally, like once every 2-3 years, gives a name like Lewis, then says it was a mistake from over the counter stuff. And ESPN and NBA fans just believe it.

While in reality guys are injecting anabolic steroids like Dixon and being allowed to.

Not a chance in hell that Dixon can get away with that unless he knows he can and unless the NBA is in on it.

For example, the reason Dixon was tested in Europe was because after he joined the Greek club Aris the managers and trainers of the team supposedly caught him doping. They tested him and sent it off.

Now are you actually implying that a Greek club can catch a guy doping but an NBA club can't? Are you implying that the European testing facility can detect anabolic steroids but the NBA testing facility cannot?

BTW, did you know that the facility that does the drug testing for the NBA is OWNED by the NBA and overseen by David Stern?

Why do so many NBA fans not find that odd?

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:48 AM

Yup! Nevermind that, despite being a former CPOY and College Champion, he really wasn't that good in the NBA and maybe needed steroids to stay competitive! Nevermind that our best boys have been playing in the FIBA WC, Qualifying events, and the Olympics year after year and no testing results about steroid use has ever been found! No, Juan Dixon is the unequivocal proof! Ofcourse...

NBA players are granted immunity in the national team tournaments to positive tests. How many damn times does this have to be explained to some people?

QuebecBaller

07-19-2010, 08:48 AM

You don't need to test him to know he's using steroid, just look at him. He such a muscle freak :lol

http://www.nike.com/nikebasketball/us/en_US/images/family/nba/players/profile/juan_dixon.jpg

dough

07-19-2010, 08:49 AM

Yes. The NBA allows anabolic steroid use. ULEB does not.
What is considered an performance enhancing drug in Europe might not be considered as such in the US, and vice versa.

wang4three

07-19-2010, 08:51 AM

NBA players are granted immunity in the national team tournaments to positive tests. How many damn times does this have to be explained to some people?

Regarding drug-testing the athletes, according to USA Basketball spokesperson Craig Miller, "Since 1990, all of our teams have been tested in competition. I believe since around 1988 we have also been subject to out-of-competition testing. We have been 100 percent fully compliant with USADA and WADA."

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:51 AM

Yeah because there was no way for him to mask his urine for the NBA test...

Its not like bigger better players like Anderson & Lewis werent caught using.

So the NBA testing can't detect it but the European one can........that's your "argument".

Right.."no NBA players are doping because the NBA test can't detect the steroids". Right.

niko

07-19-2010, 08:51 AM

You are the simplistic one. Dixon was caught ONLY after being tested in Europe. That's the point. The tests show he would have been using in the NBA and using during the time when the NBA tested him and said he was "clean".

The NBA testing a guy using ANABOLIC STEROIDS and either ignored the test or simply did not do anything about it.

Are you actually suggesting that such a scenario is just one player? That no other players would sue steroids if they knew that even a positive test would be ignored and go unpunished?

Sure..............

The NBA suspended 2 players for steroid sue and said they were "mistakes" and "over the counter". Yet meanwhile a guy was using anabolic steroids and was tested by the NBA during the time he used them and nothing was ever said about it and he was never suspended.

Looks like it is incredibly obvious that the NBA occasionally like once every 2-3 years gives a name like Lewis then says it was a mistake from over the counter stuff. And ESPN and NBA fans just believe it.

While in reality guys are injecting anabolic steroids like Dixon and being allowed to.

Not a chance in hell that Dixon can get away with that unless he knows he can and unless the NBA is in on it.

For example the reason Dixon was tested in Europe was because after he joined the Greek club Aris the managers and trainers of the team supposedly caught him doping. They tested him and sent it off.

Now are you actually implying that a Greek club can catch a guy doping but an NBA club can't? Are you implying that the European testing facility can detect anabolic steroids but the NBA testing facility cannot?

BTW, did you know that the facility that does the drug testing for the NBA is OWNED by the NBA and overseen by David Stern?

Why do so many NBA fans not find that odd?

Dude, because it's only one person. Tons of players go from NBA to euroleague and back. Having only one example makes your argument very poor. Anything where you have a large sample, finding only one case which proves your point isn't enough.

I saw the Knicks play euroleague teams in preseason once. They used their backups. Euroleague used starters. Knicks played like games didn't matter. Euorleague teams played hard. knicks won every game.

Thus, from that sample, that one year, those few games i conclude the Euroleague is garbage, as their starters cannot even remotely play with NBA backups.

And i have THREE examples, you have one.

See how great arguing on one tiny example is?

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:53 AM

You found ONE guy that did steroid use. Year after year, we have American NBA, college, even highschoolers playing in overseas in Europe.. Yet you've found maybe a handful (if that), that have tested positive for steroid use. What about the other 100+ or so players playing in Europe? I find it highly dubious you can even suggest anything conclusive other than this.

Talk about delusion? You're just a sensational poster. Every negative fact that comes out you use it as a masquerade to make a blanket statement about the US and its players. I bet if DeMarcus Nelson admitted to being a homosexual you'd claim that all NBA players were gay.

You are the one that is delusional. We now know for a fact that the NBA allowed a positive steroid user to play and never reported it. From the testing facility that is owned and operated by David Stern and the NBA.

Right..........anyone that finds this odd is "delusional".

Pharcyde

07-19-2010, 08:54 AM

Yeah because there was no way for him to mask his urine for the NBA test...

Its not like bigger better players like Anderson & Lewis werent caught using.
Lewis wasn't caught with steroids, it was a controlled substance that is
found in GNC stores.

chains5000

07-19-2010, 08:55 AM

What is considered an performance enhancing drug in Europe might not be considered as such in the US, and vice versa.
Could be too.
I can remember a lot of doping policy differences in cycling between Spain and France, for instance.
Same could happen in basketball.

That said, this thread is retarded.

ThemBombs

07-19-2010, 08:56 AM

awesome, another "ULEB>>>NBA" tirade by this bumble freak Lakas Fan Yo... dude, do everyone a favor and shut the hell up. People from the ULEB get drafted into the NBA. The NBA >>> ULEB . so please stop trying to make a fool of yourself, because that's the way it is, and that's the way it always will be.

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:57 AM

You don't need to test him to know he's using steroid, just look at him. He such a muscle freak :lol

http://www.nike.com/nikebasketball/us/en_US/images/family/nba/players/profile/juan_dixon.jpg

Yeah...those pro cyclists sure are "muscle freaks".............

wang4three

07-19-2010, 08:57 AM

You are the one that is delusional. We now know for a fact that the NBA allowed a positive steroid user to play and never reported it. From the testing facility that is owned and operated by David Stern and the NBA.

Right..........anyone that finds this odd is "delusional".

Perhaps you'd like to show me where he tested positive in the NBA. OH wait, that doesn't exist. It's circumstantial if he used it in the NBA. You can't prove it at all. All you can do is say he played in the NBA and he tested positive AFTER his NBA career was over. If you were taking this to trial, you'd lose instantly.

Also nevermind the fact that every ****ing year we're sending fringe players just like Juan to Europe and they're not testing positive to anything. You found one ****ing player and you think the entire NBA is juicing up and it's a big conspiracy theory to cover it up.

Not anyone who finds this odd is delusional, just you. I don't make blanket unsubstantiated statements like this. That's your forte.

Go Getter

07-19-2010, 08:58 AM

So the NBA testing can detect it but the European one can........that's your "argument".

Right.."no NBA players are doping because the NBA test can detect it the steroids". Right.
Sigh.....no, I'm saying that the NBA has caught more prominent players than Dixon so your "NBA allows PED" argument is flimsy.

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 08:58 AM

What is considered an performance enhancing drug in Europe might not be considered as such in the US, and vice versa.

ANABOLIC STEROIDS. He was using anabolic steroids while playing in the NBA and being tested in the NBA.

Are you trying to claim that anabolic steroids are not considered to be performance enhancing in the United States?

niko

07-19-2010, 08:59 AM

i give him credit for including links. that's a start, no?

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 09:00 AM

Regarding drug-testing the athletes, according to USA Basketball spokesperson Craig Miller, "Since 1990, all of our teams have been tested in competition. I believe since around 1988 we have also been subject to out-of-competition testing. We have been 100 percent fully compliant with USADA and WADA."

They don't get banned if they test positive because of the NBA's contract with FIBA and the Olympics. Is there a reason why you can't grasp that?

niko

07-19-2010, 09:00 AM

They don't get banned if they test positive because of the NBA's contract with FIBA and the Olympics. Is there a reason why you can't grasp that?

Do you grasp that no one listens when you say these things because you are making them up?

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 09:02 AM

Dude, because it's only one person. Tons of players go from NBA to euroleague and back. Having only one example makes your argument very poor. Anything where you have a large sample, finding only one case which proves your point isn't enough.

I saw the Knicks play euroleague teams in preseason once. They used their backups. Euroleague used starters. Knicks played like games didn't matter. Euorleague teams played hard. knicks won every game.

Thus, from that sample, that one year, those few games i conclude the Euroleague is garbage, as their starters cannot even remotely play with NBA backups.

And i have THREE examples, you have one.

See how great arguing on one tiny example is?

Yeah it proves that you are a true moron. The NBA tested a guy using anabolic steroids and allowed him to keep playing and did not report it.

"Hey it's just ONE guy".

niko

07-19-2010, 09:04 AM

Yeah it proves that you are a true moron. The NBA tested a guy using anabolic steroids and allowed him to keep playing and did not report it.

"Hey it's just ONE guy".

so the euroleague sucks. the ONE game i am referring to the knicks bitchslapped some team with their backups playing at 25% speed. apparently, ONE crappy example is enough.

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 09:04 AM

Perhaps you'd like to show me where he tested positive in the NBA. OH wait, that doesn't exist. It's circumstantial if he used it in the NBA. You can't prove it at all. All you can do is say he played in the NBA and he tested positive AFTER his NBA career was over. If you were taking this to trial, you'd lose instantly.

Also nevermind the fact that every ****ing year we're sending fringe players just like Juan to Europe and they're not testing positive to anything. You found one ****ing player and you think the entire NBA is juicing up and it's a big conspiracy theory to cover it up.

Not anyone who finds this odd is delusional, just you. I don't make blanket unsubstantiated statements like this. That's your forte.

You are an idiot. The investigation showed he played in the NBA while using anabolic steroids, was tested while using them and the NBA didn't do anything about it.

wang4three

07-19-2010, 09:05 AM

They don't get banned if they test positive because of the NBA's contract with FIBA and the Olympics. Is there a reason why you can't grasp that?

Yet, if they were tested positive, there would be news about it. And our guys get tested year after year.

ThemBombs

07-19-2010, 09:07 AM

You are an idiot. The investigation showed he played in the NBA while using anabolic steroids, was tested while using them and the NBA didn't do anything about it.
...because the NBA knew that even with steroids, Juan Dixon wouldn't accomplish shit. that's why they didn't care.

dough

07-19-2010, 09:09 AM

Could be too.
I can remember a lot of doping policy differences in cycling between Spain and France, for instance.
Same could happen in basketball.

That said, this thread is retarded.
He had a concentration of norandrosterone in his blood, which was twice as high as allowed (4 to 2). He must be vegetarian.

Lakas Fan Yo

07-19-2010, 09:09 AM

Do you grasp that no one listens when you say these things because you are making them up?

Tell me why EVERY major news media in Europe ALWAYS reports during EVERY Olympics or World Championship that NBA players are immune from being banned if they test positive for steroids because of the contract the NBA has with the Olympics and FIBA......

Explain to me why Chinese media also reported the same at the last Olympics.

Tell me why US announcers also said the same thing during the 1992 and 1996 Olympics and said that the Dream team was extremely controversial in the US because of this.

More over explain to me why the hell do Americans not even know about it when US media said the Dream Teams were immune from being banned if they tested positive and even talked about it openly?

Are you all like 12 years old or what?

Can you explain why just about EVERY single European fan that posts here tells you that NBA players have immunity in the testing and that it is always reported that way in Europe, and yet you refuse to even consider why that is so?

Is every single European on the forum making that up and lying about it? Seriously, get a freaking clue.

Go Getter

07-19-2010, 09:13 AM

i give him credit for including links. that's a start, no?
Best part this thread.

Gotta start calling him "Got Links Yo."

dough

07-19-2010, 09:15 AM

Tell me why EVERY major news media in Europe ALWAYS reports during EVERY Olympics or World Championship that NBA players are immune from being banned if they test positive for steroids because of the contract the NBA has with the Olympics and FIBA......

Tell me these stations/sources and show all the quotes. I never heard this for one.

Oh I forget, I'm not European....right...right?

dough

07-19-2010, 09:16 AM

The only 'testing' news story which ALL the major news sources in Europe were talking about was the Gender test of that South African athlete.

niko

07-19-2010, 09:24 AM

Tell me why EVERY major news media in Europe ALWAYS reports during EVERY Olympics or World Championship that NBA players are immune from being banned if they test positive for steroids because of the contract the NBA has with the Olympics and FIBA......

Explain to me why Chinese media also reported the same at the last Olympics.

Tell me why US announcers also said the same thing during the 1992 and 1996 Olympics and said that the Dream team was extremely controversial in the US because of this.

More over explain to me why the hell do Americans not even know about it when US media said the Dream Teams were immune from being banned if they tested positive and even talked about it openly?

Are you all like 12 years old or what?

Can you explain why just about EVERY single European fan that posts here tells you that NBA players have immunity in the testing and that it is always reported that way in Europe, and yet you refuse to even consider why that is so?

Is every single European on the forum making that up and lying about it? Seriously, get a freaking clue.

Do you really think we are all so sheltered in our lives that we don't know people in europe or china? I 100% guarantee i know more people in china than you do, and they are my friends, my peers - they are sports fans. I know people from europe. There are other people on this board from europe. NO ONE hears the crap that you spew. You take isolated opinions, etc. and report them as facts and say EVERYONE KNOWS THIS because you assume that we will just believe you because nothing exisits outside of the US for us.

You really are an ass. The world is not stupid. If people are not believing you, a normal person would think they might need to be more convicing, not that everyone else is dumb.