Superman vs Goku

[Disaprine]

it had to be done.

This is Modern Superman (current version) vs Goku at his canonical highest (Super Sayian 3) with unlimited time in his SS3 form. PIS and CIS are off, who wins?

[Gundress]

F*ck gay ass superman.

Goku WTF! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Skywalker]

superman that hoe vs. bitch i look like gooooku

[Juges8932]

Goku.

Two of my all-time favorite characters, but I think Goku takes this one.

[vapid]

My gut instinct tells me Superman, and I don't really want to delve into it deeper.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Goku at that level is just a character that is almost unbeatable outside of his own shows.

[vinsane01]

Are you kidding me?

Superman has a hard time moving a planet, i doubt he even can. Goku can destroy a planet with his hadoken!
lol

GOKU! NO CONTEST!

[Styles p]

goku would chip superman.

[redridinghood]

Goku with SS1.... heck even in his normal form, just needs a kryptonite to destroy Superman with his hadoken

OPPS, kamehameha!

[wTFaMonkey]

goku hands down. just think about it. super saiyan 1 goku can destroy planets without even powering up :confusedshrug:

[plowking]

I always hated Superman. Firstly he was too clean cut, and his super powers were far too strong in comparison to other superheroes. I mean, match him up against any of the other superheroes and they don't really stand a chance...

[redridinghood]

I always hated Superman. Firstly he was too clean cut, and his super powers were far too strong in comparison to other superheroes. I mean, match him up against any of the other superheroes and they don't really stand a chance...
When Superman goes against Lex Luthor, it always reminds me of "Brawn vs Brain".

But the brawn will always win.

[vapid]

I always hated Superman. Firstly he was too clean cut, and his super powers were far too strong in comparison to other superheroes. I mean, match him up against any of the other superheroes and they don't really stand a chance...
A lot of popular superheros can take Superman. Flash, GL, Thor, Martian Manhunter for starters.

[Captain Kirk]

I thought this was a Soulja Boy thread = \

[Blackisbig]

Give me Supe. Better hair and he's got betta hoes waiting for him on earth.

[zabuza666]

Goku would annihilate superman.

[highwhey]

goku. not even a contest. i've ran simulations between these two fighters with a program from slithering studios based in the uk, i'm a 21 year old programmer, chubby and very arrogant but i am superior to everyone. i did this in my hi-tech studio where i assembled a team of doctors(dr.armand, an er physician in los angeles) and a bio engineer, for superman i have recruited worlds strongets man 5 time champion Mariusz Pudzianowski. for goku, i got 5x time kung fu champion, 30th degree in ninja martial arts hing ho yang(truly, he's just some asian kid that i got from my local chinese buffet), after running the simulation, goku won 999 times, superman once, only because goku's b!tch chi-chi wouldn't leave him alone, so he lost focus on superman and instead choked the b!tch.

[raiderfan19]

A lot of popular superheros can take Superman. Flash, GL, Thor, Martian Manhunter for starters.
If superman ever went all out, GL is the only one of those that would have a prayer.

[Q.E.C]

Me and my brother have been talking about this. Goku is a trained fighter, where as Superman alway had the power to just do whatever he wants.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/luffy4/superman-vs-goku-01.jpg

[oh the horror]

http://www.androids.us/wp-content/images/goku-vs-superman.jpg


http://fc87.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/082/9/0/Superman_VS_Goku_by_mikemaluk.jpg


http://th04.deviantart.net/fs26/300W/f/2008/128/3/d/superman_vs_goku_by_xikinight.jpg

[Durant35]

Only Mystic Gohan is capable of beating Goku Super Saiyan 3. (Canon)

[miller-time]

goku, he has instant transmission. grab superman and put him lightyears away from earth.

[Mamba]

goku, he has instant transmission. grab superman and put him lightyears away from earth.
superman can survive that shit.

thing is superman has always overcome his weaknesses, he lifted a whole island of kryptonite off earth.

but because of goku's sayain blood and the fact he gets stronger and stronger with every fight, im saying if goku lost the first fight, superman would have no chance in the second.

[Disaprine]

Iam not much of a fan of superman either and it looks like none of you know what hes capable of doing in the comics :oldlol: he wins here easily.

supermans strength is clearly superior, heres him fighting Zod under a red sun. there blows are so devastating they were creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart, and supes was still holding back in that fight. all of this under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg

[Disaprine]

his durablity is far superior, heres him getting out of a Double Black hole


http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5884/lightspeedot9.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4229/lightspeed2vm5.jpg

[Disaprine]

the two images above also show his speed is better to.

[highwhey]

wow so you people think he's stronger because his blows create quakes? really?!?! have you ever seen goku power up? the earth that surrounds him trembles at the sight of his power. dipsh!ts. goku has always found a way to beat an opponent, even if their power surpassed him. i bet superman wouldn't be able to beat freeza.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

wow so you people think he's stronger because his blows create quakes? really?!?! have you ever seen goku power up? the earth that surrounds him trembles at the sight of his power. dipsh!ts. goku has always found a way to beat an opponent, even if their power surpassed him. i bet superman wouldn't be able to beat freeza.
Dude freakin Vegeta could destroy a planet before fighting goku for the first time, and around then their power level was just OVER 9000, SS Goku could destroy planets all day with little effort, plus superman is a pansy ***** who whines all day about his vag being too dry

[ErhnamDjinn]

Dude freakin Vegeta could destroy a planet before fighting goku for the first time, and around then their power level was just OVER 9000, SS Goku could destroy planets all day with little effort, plus superman is a pansy ***** who whines all day about his vag being too dry
highwhey was defending goku, there's just know way Superman beats Goku basically Goku is faster, stronger, more experienced fighter even if they were on the same powerlevel Gokus Martial arts would beat SUpe, its the same if Batman was at the powerlevel of SUpes he would be supes due to his combat skill. Superman is only better then his rivals because his far stronger then any of them. Super Saiyans are near omnipotent beings. As someone said I dont think Supes could even win against Freeza let alone Vegeta, Goku, Gohan or Brolly.

[Styles p]

lol even krillin would erf superman.

[highwhey]

krillin looks like my pen!s, minus the freckles. at any rate. this wouldn't last more than 1 minute, well maybe it would since typical dbz takes 1 season per fight since they talk more than fight, but goku can beat superman without transforming to super sayin. at ss1, it would just be a joke. in his normal state, i believe it would be a somewhat competitive fight but goku can still take this easily.

[vapid]

Superman is also an experienced fighter, he takes lessons from Bats and Wonder Woman as well as knowing Kryptonian combat skills.

[Styles p]

krillin looks like my pen!s, minus the freckles. at any rate. this wouldn't last more than 1 minute, well maybe it would since typical dbz takes 1 season per fight since they talk more than fight, but goku can beat superman without transforming to super sayin. at ss1, it would just be a joke. in his normal state, i believe it would be a somewhat competitive fight but goku can still take this easily.

http://0.tqn.com/d/anime/1/0/p/B/krillin1.jpg

that buzz saw attack would cut superman in half bro.

[wTFaMonkey]

Even underpowered up frieza can destroy a planet with a tip of his finger.

now just think about it. frieza's power level is probably 300,000 or so when he destroy planet vegeta. SS1 Goku has the power level of over 1,000,000. and that is just SS1 goku, think about him being ss4. It's really no contest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQoQGavnCk&NR=1

[JustinJDW]

I don't think you guys realize just how strong Superman. His whole fighting style is pretty much based on his strength. He is totally stronger than Goku. Whats the strongest thing Goku has ever done? You guys underestimate Superman's speed too. Superman has ran toe to toe races with the Flash across the universe. You can't tell me Goku is faster than both.

Superman is nearly unbeatable in my opinion. Its just the things he has done are literally out of this world.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I don't think you guys realize just how strong Superman. His whole fighting style is pretty much based on his strength. He is totally stronger than Goku. Whats the strongest thing Goku has ever done? You guys underestimate Superman's speed too. Superman has ran toe to toe races with the Flash across the universe. You can't tell me Goku is faster than both.

Superman is nearly unbeatable in my opinion. Its just the things he has done are literally out of this world.
Goku doesnt even need to run he can instant transmit to anywhere in the universe, plus Superman is just a normal alien dude that gets really strong due to our sun in our solarsystem. Goku is a trained martial artist with Superhuman... I mean Godlike strength, as somebody says it would only be a match with the normal non-saiyan Goku and even then I dont think Supes would win.

[highwhey]

I don't think you guys realize just how strong Superman. His whole fighting style is pretty much based on his strength. He is totally stronger than Goku. Whats the strongest thing Goku has ever done? You guys underestimate Superman's speed too. Superman has ran toe to toe races with the Flash across the universe. You can't tell me Goku is faster than both.

Superman is nearly unbeatable in my opinion. Its just the things he has done are literally out of this world.
sir, have you ever watched dragon ball z? click the vid above you. that is freeza, his power level is about 300,000, only a small fraction of what goku is capable of, yet freeza destroyed an entire planet with a single attack. goku is far more capable than that. trunks at super sayin 1 killed freeza in seconds, literally seconds, goku is also more capable than trunks.
oh, btw, goku>>>duncan

[ErhnamDjinn]

I think the only one who can matchup to Saiyans is that DC character the one who absorbs power who was created by that doctor. The android.

Heck Superman had a freakin hardtime with Doomsday, heck you can still see them fight when people from the DBZ canon fight they turn into blurs and whole planets get destroyed.

[highwhey]

I think the only one who can matchup to Saiyans is that DC character the one who absorbs power who was created by that doctor. The android.

Heck Superman had a freakin hardtime with Doomsday, heck you can still see them fight when people from the DBZ canon fight they turn into blurs and whole planets get destroyed.
amazo. that would be an interesting matchup.

[highwhey]

actually, amazo was stoped with an emp(same thing that was used in the matrix to stop the attacks from bots). so goku can get an emp device, or even form an emp from his hands and it's over.

[hookul]

What the heck is wrong with you guys?

[vapid]

Does any DBZ character have telepathic resistance? A intangible Martian Manhunter should be able to win consistently.

[Jailblazers7]

Does any DBZ character have telepathic resistance? A intangible Martian Manhunter should be able to win consistently.

Well Vegeta did overcome mind control once but I don't know how that reflects on the other characters. If Vegeta can do it, I'm sure Goku could too.

[vapid]

Well Vegeta did overcome mind control once but I don't know how that reflects on the other characters. If Vegeta can do it, I'm sure Goku could too.
I don't think that guy is nearly as powerful as MM but there realyl is no way to measure it I guess.

[highwhey]

Does any DBZ character have telepathic resistance? A intangible Martian Manhunter should be able to win consistently.
goku is always gaining new powers, so truly, his potential is unlimited, not only in strenght but abilities as well. and he's telepathic as well, when he came back to fight vegeta, he didn't ask krillin or gohan what had happened, instead he read kirllins mind and found out for himself.

[highwhey]

i can kill mm, he's weak. who the **** is afraid of fire? i could make him cry by crushing an oreo cookie.

[Noob Saibot]

Goku has the spirit bomb. can superman escape it?

[wTFaMonkey]

just to give you guys an Idea of how strong SS4 goku was.

Frieza's power level was 220,000 when he destroyed planet vegeta.

SS4 Goku had a power level of 46,000,000,000


http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Info/DragonballGT-PowerLevels.htm

[JustinJDW]

You guys sure do love Goku huh. :)

[Xander X]

if cookie monster beat superman. For sure Goku can beat superman.

[HylianNightmare]

why stop at super saiyan 3?

lets go 4

http://blog.media-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/free-online-adventure-games3.jpg

[iamgine]

Superman is usually about Frieza level. The strongest Superman version is about Gotenks level.

[flipogb]

You guys sure do love Goku huh. :)
we just love the extremely obvious answer

[vapid]

Superman is usually about Frieza level. The strongest Superman version is about Gotenks level.
Pre Crisis Superman is definitely stronger than Goku.

[J_Rock3ts]

why stop at super saiyan 3?

lets go 4

http://blog.media-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/free-online-adventure-games3.jpg

GT sucked so hard...


But I would probably equate Superman with SS1 Goku before hitting up the Room of Spirit and Time before the fight with Cell. Once he was able to stay in SS form, he surpassed Superman's power.

[iamgine]

Pre Crisis Superman is definitely stronger than Goku.
Damn, I guess he was. Superman has been so up and down in power. His power range from losing to Muhammad Ali to stronger than Goku. :lol

[godofgods]

Superman FTW.
All Dragon Balls characters are gay.

[godofgods]

Damn, I guess he was. Superman has been so up and down in power. His power range from losing to Muhammad Ali to stronger than Goku. :lol

Superman losing to Ali = racism.

[KOLBCTEW]

just to give you guys an Idea of how strong SS4 goku was.

Frieza's power level was 220,000 when he destroyed planet vegeta.

SS4 Goku had a power level of 46,000,000,000


http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Info/DragonballGT-PowerLevels.htm
Those power levels are inaccurate. Freiza in his first form has a power level of 530,000. Freiza at his strongest has a power level of 120,000,000;SSJ1 Goku 150,000,000. SSJ4 Goku's power level would be well into the trillions.
Pre Crisis Superman is definitely stronger than Goku.The only Superman that is stronger than Goku is Cosmic Armor Superman.

[vapid]

The only Superman that is stronger than Goku is Cosmic Armor Superman.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1384/pctr7.jpg

[KOLBCTEW]

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1384/pctr7.jpg
Uhhh.. Kid Buu Blew up a galaxy.

SSJ4 Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bebi Vegeta 3 >>> Bebi Vegeta 2>>>> SSJ Vegeto>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vegeto>>>>>>>>> GohanBuu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GotenksBuu>>>>>>Mystic Gohan>>> SSJ3Gotenks>>SuperBuu>>>>>>>> Kid Buu.

[Rizko]

Not that I know a lot about comics, but I would say:

Physical Strength: Superman >>>>>>>>>>>> Goku (I've never seen Goku do great feats of physical strength)

Energy Attacks Goku >>>>>>>>>>>> Superman

Speed ?????

So basically IMO speed would determine how the battle went. If Goku is as fast or faster then Superman then he could just keep away and wear him down with energy attacks, but if Superman is faster he could fly up to Goku and just beat the shit out of him

[Disaprine]

:roll: at the dbz homers, did you guys even see my scans? no one in dbz comes close to anything like that.


why stop at super saiyan 3?

lets go 4

http://blog.media-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/free-online-adventure-games3.jpg

ss4 wasn't really impressive at all, ss3 has better showings.

[iamgine]

It seems Saiyans need air to breathe though so won't that be automatic win for Supes?

[Disaprine]

this for the ones who think goku is faster :oldlol:

Superman flew from Vega to Metropolis in a matter of minutes

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

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this is easily about 100 million times the speed of light.

[KOLBCTEW]

this for the ones who think goku is faster :oldlol:

Superman flew from Vega to Metropolis in a matter of minutes

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38727228pb1.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/6430/38727228pb1.th.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22451647gw0.jpg

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http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14363755fb7.jpg

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http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10200382ea8.jpg

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http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4962/84216747rs4.th.jpg

this is easily about 100 million times the speed of light.
Goku casually instantly teleports to another universe...

[wTFaMonkey]

Can superman go through realms? like heaven or hell?

Because Goku CAN

[Disaprine]

Goku casually instantly teleports to another universe...
that isn't speed guy, and goku has to lock on ki and react that fast in order to avoid getting killed by superman. unless you think goku can react millions of times the speed of light? :D

[Disaprine]

Can superman go through realms? like heaven or hell?

Because Goku CAN
pre crisis superman once went so fast, he went past infinite speed and threaten to destroy the multiverse and entering heaven. God had to sent the spectre in order to stop him. i'll try to find those scans, give me a moment.

[Jailblazers7]

You said it was modern Supes in your OP so what does his pre-crisis feats matter?

[Disaprine]

You said it was modern Supes in your OP so what does his pre-crisis feats matter?
he wasn't being specific on which superman, so i just answered him.

[raiderfan19]

Does any DBZ character have telepathic resistance? A intangible Martian Manhunter should be able to win consistently.
the intangible characters in dc are still able to be attacked by beam attacks usually so hed probably get destroyed.

[KOLBCTEW]

that isn't speed guy,
Technically it still is.


and goku has to lock on ki and react that fast in order to avoid getting killed by superman. unless you think goku can react millions of times the speed of light? :D

Goku locks on the ki of an individual in another universe instantly.. and teleports instantly...



Even so you've only shown supermans traveling speed, not his combat speed. They're plenty of characters that can travel extreme distances quickly yet are slow in fights so slow they can get casually tagged by humans and metahumans well below the speed of sound.
Even so Goku can easily react to that type of speed and beyond if you go by power scaling.
Kid Goku in dragon ball in his training mandated by Mr.Popo was shown dodging lightning which moves at around 1/3 the speed of light. By the time he's a teenager and fighting in the 23rd tournament he's definitely more than three times faster. Given the thousands of speeds boosts they've received since then they're well beyond light speed in regards to reaction time and combat speed.
Now because speed boosts are seemingly in tandem to power increases in dbz as confirmed by Vegeta in his fight with Cui.

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+21&page=120
Note: Official Viz translation Vegeta states "If my power increases doesn't my speed increase along with it?"

And given that Goku's power level at the start of dbz was somewhere around 300 and is now well into the trillions in GT. Seems to me based on this he can react speed to not just in the millions but trillions of times the speed of light.

[Juges8932]

We're Goku homers...yet, you are posting more and going through more trouble just to "prove" Superman can beat Goku, lol...

[Disaprine]

Technically it still is.



Goku locks on the ki of an individual in another galaxy instantly.. and teleports instantly...



Even so you've only shown supermans traveling speed, not his combat speed. They're plenty of characters that can travel extreme distances quickly yet are slow in fights so slow they can get casually tagged by humans and metahumans well below the speed of sound.
Even so Goku can easily react to that type of speed and beyond if you go by power scaling.
Kid Goku in dragon ball in his training mandated by Mr.Popo was shown dodging lightning which moves at around 1/3 the speed of light. By the time he's a teenager and fighting in the 23rd tournament he's definitely more than three times faster. Given the thousands of speeds boosts they've received since then they're well beyond light speed in regards to reaction time and combat speed.
Now because speed boosts are seemingly in tandem to power increases in dbz as confirmed by Vegeta in his fight with Cui.

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+21&page=120
Note: Official Viz translation Vegeta states "If my power increases doesn't my speed increase along with it?"

And given that Goku's power level at the start of dbz was somewhere around 300 and is now well into the trillions in GT. Seems to me based on this he can react speed to not just in the millions but trillions of times the speed of light.
traveling speed and battle speed are the same thing man, why wouldn't you use all that speed in battle? the reason why people like superman get caught by slower characters is because of the plot. Goku cannot react to millions of times the speed of light :roll: do you even know what the speed of light is? you have to circle the earth about 7 times in 1 second to be as fast as light, do you honestly think anyone in DBZ can do that? lightning can go any where from half the speed of light to supersonic speed, considering kid goku has never replicated anything similar to half the speed of light, it was probably just a plot scene, you know just like that scene with adult goku not being able to lift 40 tons. power levels that go over 150 million are nothing but fanboy calculations, power levels ended in the freeza saga. why do think they never mention numbers ever again?

[KOLBCTEW]

traveling speed and battle speed are the same thing man,
No it isn't. Traveling speed doesn't factor necessarily factor in reaction time,etc.


why wouldn't you use all that speed in battle? Because battles usually cover a much shorter distance


the reason why people like superman get caught by slower characters is because of the plot . Rigght..


Goku cannot react to millions of times the speed of light :roll: do you even know what the speed of light is? you have to circle the earth about 7 times in 1 second to be as fast as light, do you honestly think anyone in DBZ can do that? Again combat speed.


lightning can go any where from half the speed of light to supersonic speed,.That's only at different stages and on average it does travel at such speeds.


considering kid goku has never replicated anything similar to half the speed of light, He was dodging lightning. Yamcha confirmed in Goku's fight with Piccolo that they were moving at light speed. Piccolo confirmed Raditz was moving faster than light... See a trend


it was probably just a plot scene,,.Right as soon as it contradicts your argument it's all of a sudden Hyperbole.


you know just like that scene with adult goku not being able to lift 40 tons. You do realize goku was shown lifting basically an entire city earlier. Not to mention he did lift it he just showed effort.



power levels that go over 150 million are nothing but fanboy calculations, power levels ended in the freeza saga.So Cell didn't have a higher power level than Freiza then?


why do think they never mention numbers ever again? Toriyama probably didn't want to keep calculating numbers.

[jamal99]

Goku > Superman IMHO

[highwhey]

traveling speed and battle speed are the same thing man, why wouldn't you use all that speed in battle? the reason why people like superman get caught by slower characters is because of the plot. Goku cannot react to millions of times the speed of light :roll: do you even know what the speed of light is? you have to circle the earth about 7 times in 1 second to be as fast as light, do you honestly think anyone in DBZ can do that? lightning can go any where from half the speed of light to supersonic speed, considering kid goku has never replicated anything similar to half the speed of light, it was probably just a plot scene, you know just like that scene with adult goku not being able to lift 40 tons. power levels that go over 150 million are nothing but fanboy calculations, power levels ended in the freeza saga. why do think they never mention numbers ever again?
stfu dumb b!tch. you don't know nothing. btw, you keep contradicting yourself. it's done, GOKU>Superman
Superman is so inconsistent with his abilities and strength in the comics, obviously because of different writers but it's stupid how he can destroy a galaxy with a sneeze in one comic and in the cartoon or another comic, he struggles fighting super strength villains that aren't all that strong, or at least strong enough to destroy a galaxy. the guy is leandro barbosa coming off the bench, he can be productive on days and on others he's garbage. too inconsistent. even in the most ridiculous comics, superman is no match for goku. i don't care if it's for the "plot", if anything that means superman is only as strong as the writer of the comic book makes him out to be, but he's never met a match like goku, no matter the writer, or plot created for him, he won't win. Superman=G-A-R-B-A-G-E
matter of fact, goku is ****!ng your mom right now

[Disaprine]

No it isn't. Traveling speed doesn't factor necessarily factor in reaction time,etc.
Because battles usually cover a much shorter distance
Rigght..
Again combat speed.
Uh no.. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99096.htm
He was dodging lightning.
Right as soon as it contradicts your argument it's all of a sudden Hyperbole.
You do realize goku was shown lifting basically an entire city earlier. Not to mention he did lift it he just showed effort.

No These numbers are from the official dbz daizenshuu/databook...
http://tenshinhanpowerlevels.blogspot.com/2007/10/dragon-ball-z-encyclopedia-daizenshuu-7.html
Toriyama probably didn't want to keep calculating numbers.
traveling speed doesn't necessarily factor in reaction time? :oldlol: you think someone like superman just flys blindly at that speed? :lol your reaching a lot there man. you don't seem to understand plot scenes at all, so iam not going to mention it again. iam not seeing any scans that show power levels above the freeza saga, that looks like fanboy calculations. Toriyama probably didn't want to keep calculating numbers? come on man :oldlol:

[Disaprine]

:cry: :cry: Gokus the best! :cry: :cry:
:roll:

[highwhey]

traveling speed doesn't necessarily factor in reaction time? :oldlol: you think someone like superman just flys blindly at that speed? :lol your reaching a lot there man. you don't seem to understand plot scenes at all, so iam not going to mention it again. iam not seeing any scans that show power levels above the freeza saga, that looks like fanboy calculations. Toriyama probably didn't want to keep calculating numbers? come on man :oldlol:
freeza>superman

[highwhey]

:roll:
nice edit?

[Disaprine]

keep getting butthurt man, iam loving it. :lol

[Jailblazers7]

I'm not getting why you made this thread at this point. Seems like you just wanted to throw some Superman facts and feats at everyone.

[highwhey]

keep getting butthurt man, iam loving it. :lol
sorry i don't get butthurt. i just insult you then in another thread at another time, i'll agree with you in someway(depending on topic of thread) and befriend you. i'm like that sour patch candy

[highwhey]

I'm not getting why you made this thread at this point. Seems like you just wanted to throw some Superman facts and feats at everyone.
same reason kobe fans make threads about how great kobe is and throw in a lot of useles facts and argue with you till death that kobe is goat.

[KOLBCTEW]

traveling speed doesn't necessarily factor in reaction time? :oldlol: you think someone like superman just flys blindly at that speed? :lol your reaching a lot there man. you don't seem to understand plot scenes at all, so iam not going to mention it again. iam not seeing any scans that show power levels above the freeza saga, that looks like fanboy calculations. Toriyama probably didn't want to keep calculating numbers? come on man :oldlol:
He travels in a straight line...

Yeah... you still fail to realize that it's recognized that they're two different things
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=201302


So why isn't him traveling at such high speeds considered plot scenes... Seems to me your just picking what feats to ignore and what feats to accept.

The way you calculate power levels is by saiyan multipliers mentioned in the series.

Alright so your telling me that Cells power is 150,000,000 and so is Kid Buu's, Omega Shenron,etc?

[Disaprine]

I'm not getting why you made this thread at this point. Seems like you just wanted to throw some Superman facts and feats at everyone.
how else are you supposed to prove that superman wins?

[HighFlyer23]

if broly could destroy a galaxy then what are the limits of ssj4 goku???

or ssj3 goku if you want to stay canonical ...

but supes was doin some seriously g@y shit in precrisis

[highwhey]

***-el<<<<Goku
get it? ***-el? instead of kal-el

[Disaprine]

He travels in a straight line...

Yeah... you still fail to realize that it's recognized that they're too different things
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=201302


So why isn't him traveling at such high speeds considered plot scenes... Seems to me your just picking what feats to ignore and what feats to accept.

The way you calculate power levels is by saiyan multipliers mentioned in the series.

Alright so your telling me that Cells power is 150,000,000 and so is Kid Buu's, Omega Shenron,etc?
why doesn't someone under his own power whos goes that fast not be able to react that fast? does that make any sense to you? modern supes has always done crazy speeds like that, you don't seem to know anything about superman at all. iam not calculating any numbers, power levels where gone after the freeza saga except it. by that time in dbz, you just have to powerscale. gt is crap man why do you even mention it?

[highwhey]

goku is from a race that loves to fight. and goku has shown many times before, he loves to fight. plain and simple. superman is a piece of sh!t that has no game. depending on what series you consider, he didn't get with lois or it took him 30 light years to get with her. from the beggining, goku was ****ing chi-chi

[Jailblazers7]

how else are you supposed to prove that superman wins?

You can't "prove" anything tho. All of this is just speculation.

[KOLBCTEW]

why doesn't someone under his own power whos goes that fast not be able to react that fast? does that make any sense to you? ?
For one he's traveling in a straight line. Two, one capable of such speed has to specifically show they can react at such speeds. Case in point Bruce Lee vs a sprinter. Sure the Sprinter would win in a foot race but Bruce Lee would normally beat him when it comes to reaction time and quickness.



modern supes has always done crazy speeds like that, you don't seem to know anything about superman at all.?
If I have to tell you all this I know more than you.


iam not calculating any numbers, power levels where gone after the freeza saga except it.
That does not mean they stayed at the same power levels.


by that time in dbz, you just have to powerscale.And you keep ignoring the fact that they're multipliers mention in the series.

gt is crap man why do you even mention it?
Because that is goku in his strongest form.

[Disaprine]

You can't "prove" anything tho. All of this is just speculation.
well i made a scenario where one of them has to die. :oldlol:

[Disaprine]

For one he's traveling in a straight line. Two, one capable of such speed has to specifically show they can react at such speeds. Case in point Bruce Lee vs a sprinter. Sure the Sprinter would win in a foot race but Bruce Lee would normally beat him when it comes to reaction time and quickness.


If I have to tell you all this I know more than you.

That does not mean they stayed at the same power levels.
And you keep ignoring the fact that they're multipliers mention in the series.

Because that is goku in his strongest form.
if thats all you got on the speed thing, iam not gonna bother debating about it anymore. you don't know anything about superman if you think he just flys blindly at those speeds. :oldlol:
do you know what powerscaling is? who cares about multipliers, is never mentioned after the freeza saga. ss4 is stronger but obviously not by much.

[Disaprine]

i'll be back later.

[KOLBCTEW]

if thats all you got on the speed thing, iam not gonna bother debating about it anymore. you don't know anything about superman if you think he just flys blindly at those speeds. :oldlol:
.

If I don't know anything about superman then inform me.. please. Because all you've been doing is basically saying the same thing over and over again.
'Oh you don't know about superman if you think he does this'... then please provide evidence he does something to the contrary.

I've actually brought proof from other forums that recognize the difference in travel speed and combat speed? What have you brought.. pure speculation.



do you know what powerscaling is? who cares about multipliers, is never mentioned after the freeza saga.. Because they were mentioned in the series so it matters. Raditz lived and died well before the namek saga, does this character no longer matter. Should we erase him from dbz history just because it took place before the freiza saga.
ss4 is stronger but obviously not by much.

LOL not by much?.. Okay I'll show you through the myriad of characters in the series just how strong super saiyan 4 is through power scaling.

SSJ4 Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deus Ex Machina Kid Goku>>OmegaShenron>>>>>Syn Shenron>>Nouva Shenron(second form)>> Nouva Shenron(First form)>> Eis Shenron> Super 17>>>>>>> Bebi Vegeta 3>>>>>> Bebi Vegeta 2>> SSJ Vegetto>>> Vegetto>>>> GohanBuu>>>> GotenksBuu>>> Mystic Gohan>>Buff Buu > SSJ3Gotenks>> PiccoloBuu >SuperBuu>General Rildo(second form)> >>>>General Rildo(first form)> SSJ3 Goku>= Kid Buu>>>>>> Evil Buu> Fat/GoodBuu>>>>>>>>> Majin Vegeta>SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 kid Gohan>Gt Cell>>> weakened SSJ2 Teen Gohan> Super Perfect Cell>>> Perfect Cell>>> Full powered super saiyan gohan> Full powered supersaiyan Goku>= Pikkon >>Weaked teen full powered supersaiyan gohan>Dabura>> Yakkon> Ultra Supersaiyan Goku>=Ultra Super Saiyan Vegeta> Ultra SuperSaiyan Trunks>>> Ascended Super Saiyan Goku> Ascended Supersaiyan Vegeta> Ascended Supersaiyan Trunks>>>>Semi Perfect Cell>>Southern Supreme Kai> Daikaioshin >>>Western Supreme Kai>> Northern Supreme kai >>Eastern Supreme Kai>> Imperfect Cell(after absorbing humans)>>>Piccolo fused with Kami>=Android 17> Imperfect Cell> SSJ kid Trunks> SSJ Goten> Android 18>>>>> Android Saga Supersaiyan Vegeta>= Supersaiyan Goku >>> Super Saiyan Trunks> Gt Freiza>> Cyborg Freiza>> Supersaiyan Goku(Freiza Saga)>Freiza

The original multiplier that was stated in regards to supersaiyan 1 was that it was 50x that of the base. Kid Goku in Gt was casually owning a Freiza who himself had confirmed had grown stronger meaning he had a higher power level higher than his Cyborg state which is already over 120,000,000. Multiply that by 50 and Supersaiyan Kid Goku at minimum would have a power level of over 6,000,000,000. Of course that is also not including the fact that he also casually owned Perfect Cell in his base as well who also confirmed he got stronger and he was fighting Rildo in his base who was as strong as Buu.

[Disaprine]

Superman's speed = millions of times the speed of light.
Goku's speed = mach 100+ possibly 1000+.

advantage superman

Superman's strength = can shatter a planet with his punches.
Goku's strength = can possibly destroy a mountain with his punches.

advantage Superman

Superman's durability = has shown to survive a supernova and survived going through a red sun surrounded with kryptonite.
Goku's durability = has survived planet destroying attacks.

advantage Superman

Superman's energy projection = his heat vision is as hot as the core of the sun and can destroy small asteroids.
Goku's energy projection = his kamehameha can easily destroy a planet, possibly more.

advantage Goku

since no one else has any arguments, then modern Supes wins. thanks for all the comments guys.

[Disaprine]

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/OldSchoolNBA23/Random/Over9000.jpg
that never gets old. :lol

[iamgine]

Wow this thread turns into trolling. :oldlol:

[KOLBCTEW]

Superman's speed = millions of times the speed of light.
Goku's speed = mach 100+ possibly 1000+.
advantage superman
I already demonstrated that Goku would be faster than Superman since he's been light-timing since the start of dbz. But of course you fail to address this, basically ignore it and sweep it under the rug. And you've yet to properly demonstrate his combat speed in any event.


Superman's strength = can shatter a planet with his punches.
Goku's strength = can possibly destroy a mountain with his punches.

advantage Superman About the only thing you've got right. Even so given the fact that The Ki amplifies the body's power. Superman can punch all day long, if he doesn't have enough sheer physical power to overcome goku's ki then it's pointless.


Superman's durability = has shown to survive a supernova and survived going through a red sun surrounded with kryptonite.
Goku's durability = has survived planet destroying attacks. Given that Kid Buu was shown galaxy busting and Goku has tanked attacks from far stronger opponents then Superman does not have the advantage..




Superman's energy projection = his heat vision is as hot as the core of the sun and can destroy small asteroids.
Goku's energy projection = his kamehameha can easily destroy a planet, possibly more.Oh it's far more than just thatSSJ4 Goku is far stronger than a Kid buu who could galaxy bust.




since no one else has any arguments, then modern Supes wins. thanks for all the comments guys.
Concession accepted.

[Disaprine]

:roll: galaxy busting :oldlol:

iam not going to even bother anymore.

[Disaprine]

have fun trying to convince yourself goku wins easily. :oldlol:

[KOLBCTEW]

:roll: galaxy busting :oldlol:

iam not going to even bother anymore.
They show this in episode 204... Rewatch the series because it's clear you don't know enough about how powerful the characters actually are.


have fun trying to convince yourself goku wins easily. :oldlol:
So you agree then Goku does win based on the evidence provided.:sleeping

[c3zz4rr]

goku wins so easily, it might be a tough one if he's not allowed to go super sayian but otherwise he's gonna ****ing stomp superman.

[HighFlyer23]

Superman's speed = millions of times the speed of light.
Goku's speed = mach 100+ possibly 1000+.

advantage superman

Superman's strength = can shatter a planet with his punches.
Goku's strength = can possibly destroy a mountain with his punches.

advantage Superman

Superman's durability = has shown to survive a supernova and survived going through a red sun surrounded with kryptonite.
Goku's durability = has survived planet destroying attacks.

advantage Superman

Superman's energy projection = his heat vision is as hot as the core of the sun and can destroy small asteroids.
Goku's energy projection = his kamehameha can easily destroy a planet, possibly more.

advantage Goku

since no one else has any arguments, then modern Supes wins. thanks for all the comments guys.

thats cuz supes and other dc characters are straight homos ... i mean wtf is this??

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13569/468569-430946_sbb_super_super.jpg

holding a blackhole??! how retarded is that :lol :lol :lol

[OhNoTimNoSho]

ISH: Where getting into heated arguments over hypothetical encounters of cartoon characters from the 90s happens.

[Disaprine]

thats cuz supes and other dc characters are straight homos ... i mean wtf is this??

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13569/468569-430946_sbb_super_super.jpg

holding a blackhole??! how retarded is that :lol :lol :lol

PIS (plot induced stupidity) scene, and it was actually a growing solar system. :lol

[magic chiongson]

they got calculations!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA

[Jameerthefear]

Goku is too op for pretty much any other anime/cartoon character. I think I'd take Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann over Goku easily though.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130726145658/gurennlagann/images/2/26/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann.png

[WayOfWade]

I like Goku more, but I'd say Superman takes this one.

[embersyc]

Goku just needs instant transmission Superman's ass to a planet with a red sun and Superman is dead in one hit.

[Jameerthefear]

pretty sure naruto kicks the sh*t out of goku and superman
Naruto beats Superman, but Goku beats the sh1t out of every character in Naruto easily.

[riseagainst]

can Superman lose to anything without kryptonite.

[Nick Young]

Goku is too op for pretty much any other anime/cartoon character. I think I'd take Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann over Goku easily though.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130726145658/gurennlagann/images/2/26/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann.png
Too slow. Goku can instant transmission inside the cockpit and murder the pilots.

[Jameerthefear]

Too slow. Goku can instant transmission inside the cockpit and murder the pilots.
:lol you kidding me? Goku couldn't even get close. Instant transmission moves at the speed of light. Tenpen Toppen Gurren Lagann is 10 lightyears big. It would shoot Goku down before he could blink.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Does superman even lift???


***** doesnt know any fighting styles, cant shoot fireballs, cant teleport. He just relies on his athleticism. Goku OTOH is like Jordan. Maximizing his talents through trained skills.


Even if Goku was the same strength as superman (hes way stronger) He would beat him anyway due to his training and technique. Goku spends 75% of the show training.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Goku easily. No question about it.

[COnDEMnED]

Anyone going to mention Goku's newest Super Saiyan God transformation?:eek:

[AintNoSunshine]

Is this a series question??? Guko is the most powerful character ever created

[LBJMVP]

i dont get the speed arguement...

goku has instant transmission.

he teleported from eath with cell all the way to the other world (i whole different universe) in like a millisecond.

goku was a universe buster at ssj3

[Jameerthefear]

Is this a series question??? Guko is the most powerful character ever created
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann destroys Goku

[miller-time]

This is a good summation and I kind of have to agree, even though I don't like Superman I think he has it (also has a pretty awesome animated fight scene at the end).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA

[Monolith]

http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman_Prime_(One_Million)

Does this version count?

[The-Legend-24]

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
The fvck? :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

The fvck? :oldlol:
Giant badass mech from Gurren Lagann. Can destroy galaxies n shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJzYSswcj0

[Nick Young]

:lol you kidding me? Goku couldn't even get close. Instant transmission moves at the speed of light. Tenpen Toppen Gurren Lagann is 10 lightyears big. It would shoot Goku down before he could blink.
A thing that huge by the laws of physics is not very fast. Goku would easily be able to dodge its shit and instant transmission inside the cockpit and rape Simon and Virile.

[Jameerthefear]

Laws of physics don't really apply here... We're talking about a mech 10 million lightyears tall. Goku wouldn't even be able to get close to the mech. Much less teleport inside it :lol
also TTGL theoretically should be able to move faster then the speed of light.

[COnDEMnED]

This is a good summation and I kind of have to agree, even though I don't like Superman I think he has it (also has a pretty awesome animated fight scene at the end).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
Only problem is they added another form to Goku, SSG
http://maniaxoi.deviantart.com/art/Goku-Super-Saiyan-God-371096502

[The-Legend-24]

Giant badass mech from Gurren Lagann. Can destroy galaxies n shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJzYSswcj0
Super Saiyan God Goku >

[Jameerthefear]

Super Saiyan God Goku >
u kidding me :roll: :roll: :roll:

At points, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and the Anti-Spirals' Granzeboma fight at forces equal to the Big Bang, the battle being so intense it was shown to rip holes through various dimensions
Goku would get ripped apart so quick :roll: :roll:

[KOLBCTEW]

:lol you kidding me? Goku couldn't even get close. Instant transmission moves at the speed of light. Tenpen Toppen Gurren Lagann is 10 lightyears big. It would shoot Goku down before he could blink.Translation error; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA&t=5m06s

[mr beast]

goku and its not even close

[Jameerthefear]

TTGL can even alter probability, move faster then the speed of light too... Goku gets KO'd in milliseconds.

[LongLiveTheKing]

God Goku would destroy Superman.

[Jameerthefear]

Translation error; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA&t=5m06s

However, the user cannot travel to an area they have never been to unless they can detect someone familiar to them to use as a homing beacon
Checkmate.

[Nick Young]

Checkmate.
He can still punch through the hull into the cockpit easily, especially in SSJ god mode. Guran Lagan would not be able to react.

[The-Legend-24]

u kidding me :roll: :roll: :roll:

Goku would get ripped apart so quick :roll: :roll:
Goku would use his small size to his advantage, instant transmission to his face, and Kamehameha his ass. Game over.

[Jameerthefear]

He can still punch through the hull into the cockpit easily, especially in SSJ god mode. Guran Lagan would not be able to react.
:roll: :roll: TTGL can move so fast that punches that would take 7 billion fvcking years to throw are instant. You think Goku could even get close? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: :roll: TTGL can move so fast that punches that would take 7 billion fvcking years to throw are instant. You think Goku could even get close? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Hell TTGL could pick up the galaxy Goku is in and rip in half. The last battle these two mechs were throwing galaxies at each other :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

goku would instant transmission into the cockpit, drop a nice little spirit bomb off, tell TTGL he sucks balls, instant transmission out. and BOOOOM TTGL is a goner.
whos next?
Wrong. Already been debunked.

[DonDadda59]

Doesn't it take Goku like 3 months to execute one of his special energy attacks? At least that's what it felt like watching DBZ as a kid. I'm sure Kal could get some licks in there if he chose to while Goku was posing and powering up. Always confused me why the opponent would just stand there looking surprised and scared while the other guy was doing his whole yelling/glowing routine.

[COnDEMnED]

Hell TTGL could pick up the galaxy Goku is in and rip in half. The last battle these two mechs were throwing galaxies at each other :roll:
Where do you find a gas station big enough to fill this bitch up?

[Jameerthefear]

Where do you find a gas station big enough to fill this bitch up?
It runs off willpower and spiral energy :D

I suggest anyone who actually thinks Goku has a chance to watch the series

[Psycho]

It runs off willpower and spiral energy :D

I suggest anyone who actually thinks Goku has a chance to watch the series

Goku can destroy the universe. Much stronger than a mere machine dawg. Goku has a soul also which makes him stronger becuz Jesus is on his side yo.

[Jameerthefear]

Goku can destroy the universe. Much stronger than a mere machine dawg. Goku has a soul also which makes him stronger becuz Jesus is on his side yo.
There are people inside the mech piloting it too...

[KOLBCTEW]

Checkmate.Not really... As Goku's ability to detect Ki is vast. Not sure where the "familiar" part came from because he doesn't need to be familiar with you to teleport to you; just detect your Ki and use it as a homing beacon.

[DonDadda59]

goku always finds a way to win.
if he loses a battle, he comes back to win the war
:pimp: :bowdown:

Superman turned back time. Perfect strategy would be to do that and revert time to when Goku was just a baby... and then beat him mercilessly until he dies. Clark wins :pimp:

[COnDEMnED]

There are people inside the mech piloting it too...
What if some of those people inside partied a little two hard on new years eve, that one time 3 years ago which I vaguely remember..

[Jameerthefear]

Not really... As Goku's ability to detect Ki is vast. Not sure where the "familiar" part came from because he doesn't need to be familiar with you to teleport to you; just detect your Ki and use it as a homing beacon.
How does Goku even know this bigass mech has pilots. You telling me this guy can sense ki from 10 million lightyears away? Plus TTGL can alter reality, and control dismensions.

[COnDEMnED]

Superman turned back time. Perfect strategy would be to do that and revert time to when Goku was just a baby... and then beat him mercilessly until he dies. Clark wins :pimp:
Wouldn't it be very uncharacteristic of Superman to kill anyone, particularly a baby? Also, Goku as a baby is no pushover, ala Dragonball GT.

[Legends66NBA7]

As characters, neither are that compelling at times, but Son-Goku is far more likable. Superman is damn unlikable, IMO.

In a fight, Superman would win because of how damn overpowered he is, basically god like. Just going by their information in the comics/manga, Goku can't cover enough ground vs Superman in speed, strength, etc... if the planet is destroyed, Goku can't breathe and would die that way. Also, Goku would want to fight Superman at his best, so he won't use kryptonite.

I've never got the comparison anyways, because Goku at the end of the manga isn't even the most powerful non-fusion character. Son-Gohan is by this time in his Ultimate form. SSJ Vegito is the most powerful character, with potential of going SSJ2 and SSJ3. That would be the real battle, Vegito at his best vs Superman at his best.

Anime won't be used since it's non-canon, so no Dragonabll GT aka no SSJ4 Vegito... or in this topic no SSJ4 Goku.

[COnDEMnED]

As characters, neither are that compelling at times, but Son-Goku is far more likable. Superman is damn unlikable, IMO.

In a fight, Superman would win because of how damn overpowered he is, basically god like. Just going by their information in the comics/manga, Goku can't cover enough ground vs Superman in speed, strength, etc... if the planet is destroyed, Goku can't breathe and would die that way. Also, Goku would want to fight Superman at his best, so he won't use kryptonite.

I've never got the comparison anyways, because Goku at the end of the manga isn't even the most powerful non-fusion character. Son-Gohan is by this time in his Ultimate form. SSJ Vegito is the most powerful character, with potential of going SSJ2 and SSJ3. That would be the real battle, Vegito at his best vs Superman at his best.

Anime won't be used since it's non-canon, so no Dragonabll GT aka no SSJ4 Vegito... or in this topic no SSJ4 Goku.
Isn't Mr. Buu (Majin Buu) the most powerful non-fusion character at the end? Until this new canon movie "Battle of the Gods", that is?

[Legends66NBA7]

Isn't Mr. Buu (Majin Buu) the most powerful non-fusion character at the end? Until this new canon movie "Battle of the Gods", that is?

"Super Buu" (Majin Buu's most powerful form; tall and pink) with Ultimate Gohan/SSJ 3 Gotenks, etc... absorbed is the most powerful, though I kinda take Buu absorbing all the Z-Fighters as some what fusion like. Super Buu not absorbing any of the Z-Fighters vs Ultimate Gohan, Gohan would defeat him. Hell, even Super Buu absorbing SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't more powerful than Ultimate Gohan.

I'm not counting any movies, since that is non-canon.

[KOLBCTEW]

How does Goku even know this bigass mech has pilots. You telling me this guy can sense ki from 10 million lightyears away? Plus TTGL can alter reality, and control dismensions.
Given that it was confirmed that he couldn't travel to namek because their ki signatures were too far away I guess not.
goku's ki detection is infiniteNo unfortunately it isn't.

[Jameerthefear]

Given that it was confirmed that he couldn't travel to namek because their ki signatures were too far away I guess not.No unfortunately it isn't.
So then would you agree that TTGL completely messes up Goku's shit in an instant then?

[COnDEMnED]

"Super Buu" (Majin Buu's most powerful form; tall and pink) with Ultimate Gohan/SSJ 3 Gotenks, etc... absorbed is the most powerful, though I kinda take Buu absorbing all the Z-Fighters as some what fusion like. Super Buu not absorbing any of the Z-Fighters vs Ultimate Gohan, Gohan would defeat him. Hell, even Super Buu absorbing SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't more powerful than Ultimate Gohan.

I'm not counting any movies, since that is non-canon.
I'll have to take your word for it, it's been probably 10 years since I owned the whole series, for some reason I thought after the Buu saga, friendly Buu was the most powerful dude. I thought he looked like a Native American child? Anyways, I heard they may make another TV show based off the Battle of the Gods movie, I would love to have all the voice actors get back to work. Nostalgia

[Jameerthefear]

TTGL would beat the sh*t out of Goku
Now we're on the same page :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

I'll have to take your word for it, it's been probably 10 years since I owned the whole series, for some reason I thought after the Buu saga, friendly Buu was the most powerful dude. I thought he looked like a Native American child? Anyways, I heard they may make another TV show based off the Battle of the Gods movie, I would love to have all the voice actors get back to work. Nostalgia

I believe your talking about "Uub". It's been a while myself since I last checked up on the series, but he's human form of Buu. I believe he's the equal of "Kid Buu" (short pink version), but he would still be weaker than Ultimate Gohan, but about equal to SSJ3 Goku, depending on how he trains his power.

I'll also try to check up that potential series and movie, when I get time.

[COnDEMnED]

I believe your talking about "Uub". It's been a while myself since I last checked up on the series, but he's human form of Buu. I believe he's the equal of "Kid Buu" (short pink version), but he would still be weaker than Ultimate Gohan, but about equal to SSJ3 Goku, depending on how he trains his power.

I'll also try to check up that potential series and movie, when I get time.
Yup , THATS the dude. I have a terrible memory for a soon to be 28 year old.:cry: I should start taking Ginko Biloba and Vitamin B before I hit Alzheimers in my mid 40's.

[KOLBCTEW]

So then would you agree that TTGL completely messes up Goku's shit in an instant then?Canonical Goku yes.

[LongLiveTheKing]

"Super Buu" (Majin Buu's most powerful form; tall and pink) with Ultimate Gohan/SSJ 3 Gotenks, etc... absorbed is the most powerful, though I kinda take Buu absorbing all the Z-Fighters as some what fusion like. Super Buu not absorbing any of the Z-Fighters vs Ultimate Gohan, Gohan would defeat him. Hell, even Super Buu absorbing SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't more powerful than Ultimate Gohan.

I'm not counting any movies, since that is non-canon.
Battle of the Gods is canon, confirmed by the creator of DBZ.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

TTGL can even alter probability, move faster then the speed of light too... Goku gets KO'd in milliseconds.
WTF who comes up with this shit.. it just sounds retarted. At least in DBZ the made up physics some what make sense.


A thing that big would collapse unto itself. And it can move at the speed of light?? Its like they told a 12 year old to come up with the craziest thing they can imagine, and this is what they got. How does it even interact with other things?


MIght as well just call it god, and it can do anything.

[Jameerthefear]

WTF who comes up with this shit.. it just sounds retarted. At least in DBZ the made up physics some what make sense.


A thing that big would collapse unto itself. And it can move at the speed of light?? Its like they told a 12 year old to come up with the craziest thing they can imagine, and this is what they got. How does it even interact with other things?


MIght as well just call it god, and it can do anything.
Even if you shrunk TTGL to Goku's size it still beats him easily.

[Hittin_Shots]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA has this been posted?

[COnDEMnED]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA has this been posted?
Yeah, but its not entirely accurate, we haven't seen what Super Saiyan God Goku is capable of yet, the DVD isn't released in the US for another few months.

[LBJMVP]

Given that it was confirmed that he couldn't travel to namek because their ki signatures were too far away I guess not.No unfortunately it isn't.
Hole teleported to the other world with cell. If he can go as far as heaven he can go anywhere. He also teleported from earth to the supreme Kai planet which is so far from the other world that he could barely sense gohan from heaven to the Kai planet.

[KOLBCTEW]

Hole teleported to the other world with cell. If he can go as far as heaven he can go anywhere..Goku apparently teleports one of two-ways; through Ki sensory or by being at at a certain location before. And he's been to King Kai's planet before.

He also teleported from earth to the supreme Kai planet which is so far from the other world that he could barely sense gohan from heaven to the Kai planet.
The Supreme Kai planet is in Otherworld.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Even if you shrunk TTGL to Goku's size it still beats him easily.
I'm just saying I dont like the whole concept of it.


Like who built it. Why is it so powerful. What is its purpose?

[ThatCoolKid]

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31300000/the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya-the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya-31357871-500-313.jpg

You all lose. She wins. You're all just thoughts in her head.

[Jameerthefear]

I'm just saying I dont like the whole concept of it.


Like who built it. Why is it so powerful. What is its purpose?
It's lead by a kid trying to defeat a group called the Anti-Spiral. It wasn't really built per-say... and it runs off willpower and spiral energy.

[Jameerthefear]

Goku is a nicer person than TTGL
Probably...

[magic chiongson]

it was a good time to bump this thread :D

[TOLATE]

no! the goat IS VEGITA