McGrady dropped 43 on Mike Jordan

[L.Kizzle]

Tracy McGrady 2003: 43 Points vs. Michael Jordan Wizards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOjllJWhbyo)

[Kblaze8855]

Kobe gave him 42 that same season. By halftime.

[nek1477]

Kobe gave him 42 that same season. By halftime.
:bowdown: might as well go for the kill.

[dr8ked]

http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/long_cat7.jpg

[ImmortalD24]

Kobe gave him 42 that same season. By halftime.
http://i27.tinypic.com/1rvzwh.gif

[jlauber]

Unfortunately age catches up to everyone. I remember one of my childhood idols, Willie Mays, stumbling around in the Met outfield in his last season. Or Kareem having a pitiful last game in the '89 Finals.

That is why I really think that those that retire a little earlier, like Koufax, Jim Brown, or Barry Sanders...will always leave us wondering just how much longer they could have coninued to be great.

[falc39]

that was a good reminder of how horrible the magic roster was :oldlol:

[Draz]

i miss the old tmac he was a favorite

[bdreason]

MJ was still averaging 20/5/5 as on old man. :applause:

[Lebron23]

i miss the old tmac he was a favorite

Young Tracy Mcgrady was an amazing scorer.

[Frank Nit]

It's a little bit like watching Ali getting his head smashed in by Larry Holmes in 1980. You're yelling at the screen for Doug Collins to throw in the towel and get him out of there. "You're doing irreversible damage!!"

At least MJ wasn't the most washed up player in the game. Nice to see a glimpse of the late Reign Man.

[jrong]

Kobe gave him 42 that same season. By halftime.

Larry Hughes dropped 44 on a Kobe when he was with the Warriors, and Kobe wasn't an old man.

[LAClipsFan33]

Larry Hughes dropped 44 on a Kobe when he was with the Warriors, and Kobe wasn't an old man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU

Then there's this...

[Jacks3]

I love how these idiots bring up Arenas' 60 pt game. He scored 15 of those points on Kobe. It wasn't like Crawford dropping 50 on Wade with Wade on him the whole game.:oldlol:

[Manute for Ever!]

I love how these idiots bring up Arenas' 60 pt game. He scored 15 of those points on Kobe. It wasn't like Crawford dropping 50 on Wade with Wade on him the whole game.:oldlol:

http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/images-signs/cry.gif

[SinJackal]

I wish it were possible to open a thread and not see posts about Kobe as soon as the 2nd post when the thread has nothing to do with him.

[Andrei89]

Arenas is a stud.

Gun incident or not if Washington trades him the ones that get him are winners

[OldSchoolBBall]

Give TMac credit for being able to use good footwork and faking to clear space and get looks at the basket against Jordan. Jordan's defense, even at age 40 here, was tenacious. Tmac couldn't get by him with the first step or off the dribble, and had to resort to numerous foot-fakes to get Jordan off-balance, and then he ended up having to hit very tough, contested fall-away J's anyway over Jordan's defense.

There was a game in Orlando where Jordan totally took TMac out of the game for the first half -- Tracy could barely bring the ball up the floor, and couldn't locate a shot. Then Jordan got poked in the eye early in the 3rd and had to leave the game. McGrady was an incredible tough-shot maker back then, though, as you can see here.

Incidentally, I've never seen Jordan have such poor defensive footwork as at the 1:41 mark, where he overextends himself and gets faked out badly. You rarely saw those sorts of errors from Jordan. I'm surprised he bit that much considering that Tracy didn't prove that he could get by him on the first step.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Kobe gave him 42 that same season. By halftime.

The funny thing is, jordan didn't even guard Kobe in that game.

[Calabis]

Kobe gave him 42 that same season. By halftime.

Actually it was on Stackhouse unless you want to say Jordan dropped 25 on Kobe in 30 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4


sad part is that age 40 Jordan attempted to guard TMac, while the great Kobe at a prime age doesn't even attempt to. Also whats not mentioned is Jordan dropped 32 in another matchup at age 40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHUb2hkEe60&feature=related

Let's not forget the 53 points Allen Houston dropped on Kobe

[Calabis]

I love how these idiots bring up Arenas' 60 pt game. He scored 15 of those points on Kobe. It wasn't like Crawford dropping 50 on Wade with Wade on him the whole game.:oldlol:

Can we help it that this overrated defender never guards the opposing teams best player...why else do you think Tex Winter talked about his defense

"I'd like to see him play better defense," Winter said, adding that he had addressed the issue recently with Bryant but didn't come away with the idea that Bryant was intent on changing his approach.

"You know Kobe," Winter said with a chuckle. "He has his game plan. I think he heard me. But he feels there's a certain way he's got to play the game. But it doesn't involve a lot of basically sound defense."

Because the Lakers need so much of his effort at the offensive end, Bryant has adopted a save-energy plan on the defensive end, Winter said. "He's basically playing a lot of one-man zone. He's doing a lot of switching, zoning up, trying to come up with the interception.

"The way Kobe plays defensively affects the team," Winter added. "Anybody that doesn't play consistently good defense hurts the team. That's not only Kobe. Our other guards tend to gamble and get beat. Another problem is that the screen and roll is not played correctly."

[wang4three]

Has it really been 7 years since 2003? Wow. That was when I graduated high school.

[necya]

what the goal of this thread?
taking a young player against a very old star?

let's take someone who played very well against MJ at a decent age...

oh! bernard King dropped 44pts against Chicago in 90, a real scorer against another real one, not a 45% pseudo scorer shooter.

[Calabis]

what the goal of this thread?
taking a young player against a very old star?

let's take someone who played very well against MJ at a decent age...

oh! bernard King dropped 44pts against Chicago in 90, a real scorer against another real one, not a 45% pseudo scorer shooter.

Exactly I'm a huge Jordan fan, but he got lit up on occasion, who doesn't...but the game your referring too, was Pippen not MJ

[Desperado]

The funny thing is, jordan didn't even guard Kobe in that game.

So you admit MJ wasn't capable of guarding Kobe?

He didn't guard Kobe because he KNEW that ass was gonna be toasted. He would've gotten the same treatment or worse and you know it just like he did.


Here comes the age excuse in 4..3...2...1

[Desperado]

Actually it was on Stackhouse


Even more embarrassing!

Jordan was scared to guard Kobe so he had that bum Stackhouse take him.

Actually not surprising either cause Jordan hid behind Pippen his whole career.

MJ was a scared b*tch his whole career.

[Calabis]

So you admit MJ wasn't capable of guarding Kobe?

He didn't guard Kobe because he KNEW that ass was gonna be toasted. He would've gotten the same treatment or worse and you know it just like he did.


Here comes the age excuse in 4..3...2...1


Uhh he guarded Kobe when he was 35, he avg 30+ against Kobe/Jones, wiped the floor with his ass in the all-star game...lmao age excuse....coming from a guy crying about Kobe's finger or other injuries every thread

[Calabis]

Even more embarrassing!

Jordan was scared to guard Kobe so he had that bum Stackhouse take him.

Actually not surprising either cause Jordan hid behind Pippen his whole career.

MJ was a scared b*tch his whole career.

you by far are the dumbest mutha ****er on the board:bowdown:

[necya]

Exactly I'm a huge Jordan fan, but he got lit up on occasion, who doesn't...but the game your referring too, was Pippen not MJ

Calabis, i just wanted to notice that this thread sucks like all other where people try to ride the dick of their stars.

i think it's more fair to talk about a duel with players in good shape.
i reassure you, it wasn't against MJ, i just show he faced a lot better scorer than he did xhen he came back with washington.

(and MJ faced King too in that one ;-)

[leopoldstotch]

that was a good reminder of how horrible the magic roster was :oldlol:

damn

shawn kemp
drew gooden
gordon giricek
tracy mccgrady
jacques vaughn

that's the lineup? :lol we should give doc rivers some credit for having 40+ win seasons every year for orlando before he got the axe. he maximized whatever he had with that pathetic roster.

[necya]

you by far are the dumbest mutha ****er on the board:bowdown:


i hope to read his next comments soon !!!! what a donkey...

[Lebron23]

Even more embarrassing!

Jordan was scared to guard Kobe so he had that bum Stackhouse take him.

Actually not surprising either cause Jordan hid behind Pippen his whole career.

MJ was a scared b*tch his whole career.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Desperado]

Uhh he guarded Kobe when he was 35, he avg 30+ against Kobe/Jones, wiped the floor with his ass in the all-star game...lmao age excuse....coming from a guy crying about Kobe's finger or other injuries every thread

You mean when Kobe was a 18 year old rookie and didn't get much playing time?

At least when Kobe was 18 he was on his way to becoming the youngest player to ever be selected to the NBA All-Star game. When Jordan was 18 he was making sandwiches for Sam Perkins at UNC. :oldlol:


O yeah when Kobe was 18 he was dunking on MJ and dropped 33 on his ass on MJ's home court!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMWKo0uDu8

[Psileas]

sad part is that age 40 Jordan attempted to guard TMac, while the great Kobe at a prime age doesn't even attempt to. Also whats not mentioned is Jordan dropped 32 in another matchup at age 40

Seems like you didn't follow Kobe all that closely.

Watch him dismantle TMac defensively and dominate offensively in the 4th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkFcXpRan4

It's not the only time that Kobe guarded TMac, but it's among the most memorable.


Let's not forget the 53 points Allen Houston dropped on Kobe

It's easy to forget something that didn't happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WscdODmlIMc

Yeah, I won't forget Houston scoring 3 of his 53 points on Kobe.

[Calabis]

You mean when Kobe was a 18 year old rookie and didn't get much playing time?

At least when Kobe was 18 he was on his way to becoming the youngest player to ever be selected to the NBA All-Star game. When Jordan was 18 he was making sandwiches for Sam Perkins at UNC. :oldlol:


O yeah when Kobe was 18 he was dunking on MJ and dropped 33 on his ass on MJ's home court!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMWKo0uDu8


Oh so now your using age as an excuse????:applause:

[Calabis]

Seems like you didn't follow Kobe all that closely.

Watch him dismantle TMac defensively and dominate offensively in the 4th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkFcXpRan4

It's not the only time that Kobe guarded TMac, but it's among the most memorable.


It's easy to forget something that didn't happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WscdODmlIMc


Yeah, I won't forget Houston scoring 3 of his 53 points on Kobe.

So he guards him one quarter after McGrady carried his wack ass team for three quarters, McGrady was the main focus(doubled big time), Shaq was in that game, Kobe had the luxury of picking his spots...also horrible example of lock down D, the only 1 on 1 opp he really had was at 6:29 mark

I know, but if you can call Kobe's abuse of Stackhouse as lighting up MJ can't I do the same???

[Psileas]

So he guards him one quarter after McGrady carried his wack ass team for three quarters, McGrady was the main focus(doubled big time), Shaq was in that game, Kobe had the luxury of picking his spots...also horrible example of lock down D, the only 1 on 1 opp he really had was at 6:29 mark

First of all, your point was that Kobe, even in his prime, didn't guard TMac. It was proven wrong, and it would have, even if TMac had torched Kobe, which of course wasn't the case here.

It's not the most common thing for a player who is hot for 3 quarters to suddenly turn ice cold if nothing special happens defensively on the part of the opponent.
Yes, Kobe had Shaq by him. So did his teammates, and they achieved nothing.

Bad lockout defense? Kobe overplayed TMac, took the ball out of his hands, forced him to take bad shots, blocked his shot almost at his apex. If you consider this bad individual lockout defense, you show me some great one on a scorer of TMac's level.


I know, but if you can call Kobe's abuse of Stackhouse as lighting up MJ can't I do the same???

You can always count on a number of people addressing Kobe vs Jordan whenever this "42 points in a half vs Jordan" thing arises. I didn't see anyone address your points about Kobe not guarding TMac or Houston scoring 53 on him. I know you put Jordan's 25 points in 30 mins against the Lakers for that reason, and that's why I didn't deal with this quote, although he scored most of these points on players other than Kobe. But it doesn't seem you had the same intention in the rest of your post.

[Bigsmoke]

Tracy McGrady 2003: 43 Points vs. Michael Jordan Wizards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOjllJWhbyo)

respect your elders :no:

[BigBalla44]

Oh so now your using age as an excuse????:applause:

Why do you even bother responding to that guy? Desperado is a piece of shit. Plain and simple.

[raptorfan_dr07]

Why do you even bother responding to that guy? Desperado is a piece of shit. Plain and simple.

I reported all his posts in this thread, I suggest the rest of you do the same. Only way to get him banned.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I reported all his posts in this thread, I suggest the rest of you do the same. Only way to get him banned.

I would, but he's on ignore. I still click view post every now and then to see the crap he spews. He's had some gems in this thread. He thinks Jordan didn't guard Kobe because he was scared? Yet in this game, he guarded T-Mac who was a bigger mismatch for Jordan because of size and T-Mac was a better scorer than Kobe in the 2003 season.

Jordan was so scared of defending great players yet he guarded Magic Johnson in the finals. :roll:

The kid use to PM with "arguments" about why Kobe was the man on the 3peat Lakers. :roll:

[L.Kizzle]

respect your elders :no:
They're both older than me

[jstern]

I love how these idiots bring up Arenas' 60 pt game. He scored 15 of those points on Kobe. It wasn't like Crawford dropping 50 on Wade with Wade on him the whole game.:oldlol:
Similar to how Jordan wasn't guarding Kobe when he scored 42 against the Wizard. They also played different positions.

[branslowski]

McGrady was a beast..

Kobe didn't drop 55 on Jordan, Stackhouse was guarding him..

Areanas only scored 15pts on Kobe...So idiots need not bring that up.

[ukplayer4]

McGrady was a beast..

Kobe didn't drop 55 on Jordan, Stackhouse was guarding him..

Areanas only scored 15pts on Kobe...So idiots need not bring that up.



i counted 19(if we count the 2 and 1's) in that video alone and that vid is missing some of arenas' drives on kobe unless im mistaken.

[New York Knicks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU

Then there's this...
Kobe's an average defender without a big shotblocker in the back.

[DTD]

Kobe's an average defender without a big shotblocker in the back.

LOL.

Kids these days, say the darndest things.

"If I say it enough in my head, it will be true"

[AirJordan&Magic]

i counted 19(if we count the 2 and 1's) in that video alone and that vid is missing some of arenas' drives on kobe unless im mistaken.

He did not score more than 10-15 points on Kobe. It's hilarious how idiots bring this game up as if he scored most of his points on Kobe and as if Kobe didn't light the Wizards up in that same game.

Kobe dropped 45 points on 62% shooting, dished out 10 assist, and grabbed 9 rebounds in that same game.

[Glide2keva]

Every player gets lit up, if they play long enough. So what? Doesn't take away from said players greatness wonder sometimes if you guys actually appreciate the game itself or are you just dick riding certain players?

[Bladers]

LMAO Kobe burned Jordan with 42 points at the end of the half?

Who else can do that?
KOBE KOBE KOBE...:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
When was the last time a player scored 42 or more at the half? Kobe...

[ShaqAttack3234]

LMAO Kobe burned Jordan with 42 points at the end of the half?

Who else can do that?
KOBE KOBE KOBE...:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Watch the game, Jordan wasn't guarding Kobe.

And before you say he was afraid to guard Kobe, well why did he guard T-Mac then? After all, T-Mac was a better scorer than Kobe in 2003.

[Bladers]

Watch the game, Jordan wasn't guarding Kobe.

And before you say he was afraid to guard Kobe, well why did he guard T-Mac then? After all, T-Mac was a better scorer than Kobe in 2003.

First of all T-Mac was not a better scorer than Kobe in 2003.
Call me up when T-mac scores 40+ points in 9 straight games.
and that happened because Shaq didn't play.

The only reason Kobe was not doing that daily was because he had shaq and didn't need to score that much. T-mac had no one...

If Kobe didn't have shaq, Dude would have had 20 50point games every season, starting from 2000.

He would had broken more scoring records.

BTW, T-mac only has 4, 50 point games in all of his career.

[ShaqAttack3234]

First of all T-Mac was not a better scorer than Kobe in 2003.
Call me up when T-mac scores 40+ points in 9 straight games.
and that happened because Shaq didn't play.

The only reason Kobe was not doing that daily was because he had shaq and didn't need to score that much. T-mac had no one...

If Kobe didn't have shaq, Dude would have had 20 50point games every season, starting from 2000.

He would had broken more scoring records.

BTW, T-mac only has 4, 50 point games in all of his career.

Please explain to me why in the 15 games without Shaq, Kobe needed 27 shots per game to match T-Mac's 32 ppg average over the course of a season which he achieved on 24 shots per game.

And despite Kobe having Shaq on his team for most of the season to take pressure off of him, he ended up with almost as many shots per game as T-Mac, but he was less efficient and scored less.

T-Mac 32.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 2.6 TO, 45.7 FG%, 38.6 3P%, 2.3 3P, 79.3 FT%, 56.4 TS%, 50.5 eFG%, 24.2 FGA 39.4 mpg
Kobe 30 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg, 3.5 TO, 45.1 FG%, 38.3 3P%, 1.5 3P, 84.3 FT%, 55 TS%, 48.3 eFG%, 23.5 FGA, 41.5 mpg

Not only did T-Mac top Kobe's scoring average by 2.1 ppg, he was more efficient by any measure whether it be FG%, TS%, points per shot or eFG% and Kobe averaged almost 1 more turnover per game.

I don't care about streaks, for the season, T-Mac was a better scorer than Kobe. And it's not hard to see why, at that point, he was more athletic, had superior length, was a more prolific 3 point shooter, was a better off the ball player and his mid-range shooting, post game and ball handling was atleast as good. Plus, he attacked the basket as frequently as Kobe did back then.

[Bladers]

Please explain to me why in the 15 games without Shaq, Kobe needed 27 shots per game to match T-Mac's 32 ppg average over the course of a season which he achieved on 24 shots per game.

And despite Kobe having Shaq on his team for most of the season to take pressure off of him, he ended up with almost as many shots per game as T-Mac, but he was less efficient and scored less.

T-Mac 32.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 2.6 TO, 45.7 FG%, 38.6 3P%, 2.3 3P, 79.3 FT%, 56.4 TS%, 50.5 eFG%, 24.2 FGA 39.4 mpg
Kobe 30 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg, 3.5 TO, 45.1 FG%, 38.3 3P%, 1.5 3P, 84.3 FT%, 55 TS%, 48.3 eFG%, 23.5 FGA, 41.5 mpg

Not only did T-Mac top Kobe's scoring average by 2.1 ppg, he was more efficient by any measure whether it be FG%, TS%, points per shot or eFG% and Kobe averaged almost 1 more turnover per game.

I don't care about streaks, for the season, T-Mac was a better scorer than Kobe. And it's not hard to see why, at that point, he was more athletic, had superior length, was a more prolific 3 point shooter, was a better off the ball player and his mid-range shooting, post game and ball handling was atleast as good. Plus, he attacked the basket as frequently as Kobe did back then.

This is what makes you a f.ucking DUMBASS.
You don't care about the streaks... LMAO!
The streaks does matter cause they prove my point.

Here is 9 of games of shaq being Out:
41pg + 40pg + 40pg + 52pg + 40pg + 44pg + 51pg + 42pg + 46pg

That is 44 points a game.

Now imagine if Kobe played 82 games without shaq... He would average like 37 points like Jordan did. The streak proves my point, now you can GTFO.
If Kobe didn't have shaq, He would go nuts on the league, Totally destroy it!
The only one who did that was Wilt and that speaks volume to me. Only Wilt and Kobe did that, yet you come here and say it means nothing.

NOW GTFO
You're a fool for life!!!!

[ShaqAttack3234]

This is what makes you a f.ucking DUMBASS.
You don't care about the streaks... LMAO!
The streaks does matter cause they prove my point.

Here is 9 of games of shaq being Out:
41pg + 40pg + 40pg + 52pg + 40pg + 44pg + 51pg + 42pg + 46pg

That is 44 points a game.

Now imagine if Kobe played 82 games without shaq...
GTFO he would average like 37 points like Jordan did.
The streak proves my point, now you can GTFO.
If Kobe didn't have shaq, He would go nuts on the league.
Totally destroy it!
The only one who did that was Wilt and that speaks volume to me.
Only Wilt and Kobe did that, yet you come here and say it means nothing.
GTFO

You're a fool for life!!!!

No, the whole season proves my point. T-Mac averaged more points with defenses focusing more on him on superior efficiency for the season.

In 15 games without Shaq, Kobe averaged 32 ppg on 43% shooting and 27 shots per game. In the entire season, T-Mac averaged 32 ppg on 46% shooting and 24 shots per game.

And only 3 games from that streak were without Shaq, Shaq missed 12 of his 15 games to start the season in November. You fail to mention some of Kobe's other games without Shaq.

27 points on 9/29 shooting
41 points on 17/47 shooting
45 points on 18/40 shooting
16 points on 7/21 shooting
24 points on 8/25 shooting

So out of those 15 games, he had more shot attempts than points 4 times and twice, he failed to get 50 points with 40 shots.

Scoring more over the course of an entire season>>>>>>scoring more over a 9 game stretch.

I destroyed your pathetic argument and you have case. If Kobe averaged just 32 ppg in 15 games without Shaq then how the hell would he averaged 37 over an entire season? And that stretch with 32 ppg came on 27 shots per game.

[necya]

No, the whole season proves my point. T-Mac averaged more points with defenses focusing more on him on superior efficiency for the season.

In 15 games without Shaq, Kobe averaged 32 ppg on 43% shooting and 27 shots per game. In the entire season, T-Mac averaged 32 ppg on 46% shooting and 24 shots per game.

And only 3 games from that streak were without Shaq, Shaq missed 12 of his 15 games to start the season in November. You fail to mention some of Kobe's other games without Shaq.

27 points on 9/29 shooting
41 points on 17/47 shooting
45 points on 18/40 shooting
16 points on 7/21 shooting
24 points on 8/25 shooting

So out of those 15 games, he had more shot attempts than points 4 times and twice, he failed to get 50 points with 40 shots.

Scoring more over the course of an entire season>>>>>>scoring more over a 9 game stretch.

I destroyed your pathetic argument and you have case. If Kobe averaged just 32 ppg in 15 games without Shaq then how the hell would he averaged 37 over an entire season? And that stretch with 32 ppg came on 27 shots per game.

don't waste your time with this teenager, in all case he won't understand.

[Bladers]

No, the whole season proves my point. T-Mac averaged more points with defenses focusing more on him on superior efficiency for the season.

In 15 games without Shaq, Kobe averaged 32 ppg on 43% shooting and 27 shots per game. In the entire season, T-Mac averaged 32 ppg on 46% shooting and 24 shots per game.

And only 3 games from that streak were without Shaq, Shaq missed 12 of his 15 games to start the season in November. You fail to mention some of Kobe's other games without Shaq.

27 points on 9/29 shooting
41 points on 17/47 shooting
45 points on 18/40 shooting
16 points on 7/21 shooting
24 points on 8/25 shooting

So out of those 15 games, he had more shot attempts than points 4 times and twice, he failed to get 50 points with 40 shots.

Scoring more over the course of an entire season>>>>>>scoring more over a 9 game stretch.

I destroyed your pathetic argument and you have case. If Kobe averaged just 32 ppg in 15 games without Shaq then how the hell would he averaged 37 over an entire season? And that stretch with 32 ppg came on 27 shots per game.

How the f.uck don't you get it?
Can you f.ucking read?
I now believe that you fail to see the point because your a total dumass.

:facepalm
That fact that Kobe averaged 44 points in 9 straight games without shaq.
Means if you gave him the whole season he would had wiped Mcgrady stats off the floor. You wouldnt be able to even compare t-mac with him.

How the f.uck don't you understand that? Why you can't take those sunglasses off and read my post with your eye's opened.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

KOBE HAD SHAQ FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON, IF HE DIDN'T HAVE SHAQ FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. KOBE'S STATS WOULD WIPE OUT TMAC AND THE REST OF THE LEAGUE.

44points a game in 9 games PROVES MY F.UCKING POINT.
HE ALSO PROVED IT WHEN HE DID IT IN 05-06.
SO GTFO YOU BUM

[ShaqAttack3234]

How the f.uck don't you get it?
Can you f.ucking read?
I now believe that you fail to see the point because your a total dumass.

:facepalm
That fact that Kobe averaged 44 points in 9 straight games without shaq.
Means if you gave him the whole season he would had wiped Mcgrady stats off the floor. You wouldnt be able to even compare t-mac with him.

How the f.uck don't you understand that? Why you can't take those sunglasses off and read my post with your eye's opened.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

KOBE HAD SHAQ FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON, IF HE DIDN'T HAVE SHAQ FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. KOBE'S STATS WOULD WIPE OUT TMAC AND THE REST OF THE LEAGUE.

44points a game in 9 games PROVES MY F.UCKING POINT.
HE ALSO PROVED IT WHEN HE DID IT IN 05-06.
SO GTFO YOU BUM

Kobe had Shaq for 6 games out of that 9 game streak. Do your research. Shaq missed 15 games, he missed 12 consecutive games to start the season. How did Shaq then miss 9 games in February when Kobe had that streak when he had already missed 12 in October/November? That would mean he missed 21 games during the season, not 15. Shaq played 67 games that year. 82-21=61. Now do you see why you're an idiot?

Even with Shaq there for most of the season, Kobe got only 0.7 fewer FGA per game than T-Mac, yet T-Mac beat his scoring average by 2.1 ppg.

In the 15 games total without Shaq, Kobe got exactly 3 more shots per game than T-Mac, yet he only beat T-Mac's sean scoring average by 0.2 ppg.

You're not making any sense and honestly, I don't think you even believe what you're typing. I'm convinced you're just trolling and ****ing with me. The only reason I took the time to destroy your post is because people might assume what you're saying is correct, which isn't the case.

[KingBeasley08]

How the f.uck don't you get it?
Can you f.ucking read?
I now believe that you fail to see the point because your a total dumass.

:facepalm
That fact that Kobe averaged 44 points in 9 straight games without shaq.
Means if you gave him the whole season he would had wiped Mcgrady stats off the floor. You wouldnt be able to even compare t-mac with him.

How the f.uck don't you understand that? Why you can't take those sunglasses off and read my post with your eye's opened.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

KOBE HAD SHAQ FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON, IF HE DIDN'T HAVE SHAQ FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. KOBE'S STATS WOULD WIPE OUT TMAC AND THE REST OF THE LEAGUE.

44points a game in 9 games PROVES MY F.UCKING POINT.
HE ALSO PROVED IT WHEN HE DID IT IN 05-06.
SO GTFO YOU BUM
dude just stop Tmac was better than Kobe in 2003

[Bladers]

Kobe had Shaq for 6 games out of that 9 game streak. Do your research. Shaq missed 15 games, he missed 12 consecutive games to start the season. How did Shaq then miss 9 games in February when Kobe had that streak when he had already missed 12 in October/November? That would mean he missed 21 games during the season, not 15. Shaq played 67 games that year. 82-21=61. Now do you see why you're an idiot?

Even with Shaq there for most of the season, Kobe got only 0.7 fewer FGA per game than T-Mac, yet T-Mac beat his scoring average by 2.1 ppg.

In the 15 games total without Shaq, Kobe got exactly 3 more shots per game than T-Mac, yet he only beat T-Mac's sean scoring average by 0.2 ppg.

You're not making any sense and honestly, I don't think you even believe what you're typing. I'm convinced you're just trolling and ****ing with me.

Sure I'm not making sense, player A who is the #2 guy averages 30 points with shaq in his prime and peak on his team and then player B who is the #1 guy averages 32 points with no #2 guy, all alone.

Then its moronic to think that player A would average more points than player B without Shaq.

How moronic of me.:(

[ShaqAttack3234]

Sure I'm not making sense, player A who is the #2 guy averages 30 points with shaq in his prime and peak on his team and then player B who is the #1 guy averages 32 points with no #2 guy, all alone.

Then its moronic to think that player A would average more points than player B without Shaq.

How moronic of me.:(

Except Kobe not only averaged less points, but his efficiency was inferior as well. Averaging more points on superior efficiency= better scorer.

Especially when you consider that T-Mac not having a number 2 guy on his team(much less a top 5 player) meant defenses could focus entirely on him making his higher scoring average and superior efficiency all the more astounding.

In that same role for a 15 game stretch, Kobe averaged 0.2 more ppg, but his FG% was 43.3% compared to T-Mac's 45.7% and he needed 3 more FGA and that was not sustained over the course of a season.

Anyway you slice it, T-Mac had a superior scoring season.

[lefthook00]

He did not score more than 10-15 points on Kobe. It's hilarious how idiots bring this game up as if he scored most of his points on Kobe and as if Kobe didn't light the Wizards up in that same game.

Kobe dropped 45 points on 62% shooting, dished out 10 assist, and grabbed 9 rebounds in that same game.

And this was RIGHT AFTER his KNEE SURGERY. AND he wrecked them the next time they met.

[L.A. Jazz]

2 horrible teams!

[OldSchoolBBall]

He did not score more than 10-15 points on Kobe. It's hilarious how idiots bring this game up as if he scored most of his points on Kobe and as if Kobe didn't light the Wizards up in that same game.

Kobe dropped 45 points on 62% shooting, dished out 10 assist, and grabbed 9 rebounds in that same game.

Actually, he did score 18-22 points on Kobe. I forget the exact number, but it was more than "10-15 points". I went through the game video once and counted it up. Between 18-22 points were scored on Kobe iirc.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Can we stop overusing the word "dropped"? Jesus people! You guys are as annoying as the douchebags on SportsCenter. McGrady scored 43, partially against a past-his-prime Jordan. He scored, he didn't "drop" anything. The Rucker Park slang around here is getting to be a bit much. Once in while is fine but damn.

[BigBalla44]

No, the whole season proves my point. T-Mac averaged more points with defenses focusing more on him on superior efficiency for the season.

In 15 games without Shaq, Kobe averaged 32 ppg on 43% shooting and 27 shots per game. In the entire season, T-Mac averaged 32 ppg on 46% shooting and 24 shots per game.

And only 3 games from that streak were without Shaq, Shaq missed 12 of his 15 games to start the season in November. You fail to mention some of Kobe's other games without Shaq.

27 points on 9/29 shooting
41 points on 17/47 shooting
45 points on 18/40 shooting
16 points on 7/21 shooting
24 points on 8/25 shooting

So out of those 15 games, he had more shot attempts than points 4 times and twice, he failed to get 50 points with 40 shots.

Scoring more over the course of an entire season>>>>>>scoring more over a 9 game stretch.

I destroyed your pathetic argument and you have case. If Kobe averaged just 32 ppg in 15 games without Shaq then how the hell would he averaged 37 over an entire season? And that stretch with 32 ppg came on 27 shots per game.

Forget about him. Most knowledgeable bball fans know these Kobe nutsuckers are mostly wrong. These dudes are just attention whores and cant stand the fact that some people are not in love with their boyfriend. Ignorance will never go away. Just let them be.

Seriously, do not waste your time on this child. The board would be much better for it if we never paid these fools any attention. The dude is a joke.

[Bladers]

Forget about him. Most knowledgeable bball fans know these Kobe nutsuckers are mostly wrong. These dudes are just attention whores and cant stand the fact that some people are not in love with their boyfriend. Ignorance will never go away. Just let them be.

Seriously, do not waste your time on this child. The board would be much better for it if we never paid these fools any attention. The dude is a joke.

ok, your superior than me because you don't have the same opinion about an NBA player as i do... OK.

your clever, your smart, your better than me.
I'm a fool, i'm a joke, I'm a bum, i'm dumb, attention whores...

[BigBalla44]

ok, your superior than me because you don't have the same opinion about an NBA player as i do... OK.

your clever, your smart, your better than me.
I'm a fool, i'm a joke, I'm a bum, i'm dumb, attention whores...

At least you now realize it.

[Bladers]

At least you now realize it.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



LOL @ THIS FOOL!!!!!

[L.Kizzle]

Can we stop overusing the word "dropped"? Jesus people! You guys are as annoying as the douchebags on SportsCenter. McGrady scored 43, partially against a past-his-prime Jordan. He scored, he didn't "drop" anything. The Rucker Park slang around here is getting to be a bit much. Once in while is fine but damn.
What the hell ... professor.

[BigBalla44]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



LOL @ THIS FOOL

Look guy, Im sure youre an alright person (I hope). You have an opinion, and some people may not like it, but that's fine. But the disrespect some of you guys show to other posters is too much.

At least Roundball and Fatal make an argument and use facts to back up their claims, no matter how right or wrong they are. They are having a constructive debate.

People like you, Jack3off, Desperado, and Griff - Nope. Just a bunch of babies who b*tches when no one agrees with them. You guys are jokes, plain and simple. And everyone knows youre a bunch of jokes. If fact, I dont like any of you and many others probably dont like you guys as well. It shouldnt bother you but that's a fact you need to be aware of.

That's all I got to say. Have a good night.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Actually, he did score 18-22 points on Kobe. I forget the exact number, but it was more than "10-15 points". I went through the game video once and counted it up. Between 18-22 points were scored on Kobe iirc.

Please show me the video you were watching, because I just went through a video of the game and I counted 15 out of Gilbert's 60 points that were scored with Kobe guarding him.

It was no more than 15 points that Gilbert scored on Kobe.

[Jacks3]

I went through the game video once and counted it up.
:oldlol:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

who was better consensus is in 03' by non tmac and kobe stans. Tmac or Kobe?

[Replay32]

Mike still played pretty well in this game and shot a really good percentage from the field. And MJ's team also won this game. Not bad for a 40 year old.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Please show me the video you were watching, because I just went through a video of the game and I counted 15 out of Gilbert's 60 points that were scored with Kobe guarding him.

It was no more than 15 points that Gilbert scored on Kobe.

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU&feature=PlayList&p=F848822251950496&playnext=1&index=49

And here are the baskets he made with Kobe as his primary defender:

22 seconds (2)
57 seconds (3)
1:03 (3)
1:29 (2+1)
1:40 (3)
1:46 (2)
1:52 (2+1)
1:59 (3)

Total: 22 points scored with Kobe defending him. You were saying? :oldlol: I like how that Kobe stan Jacks3 laughed at me as if I was wrong, too. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

lol @ loki calling anybody else a stan. Dude's name on YouTube is "jordanlover" and I'm the stan?:oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Shit still doesn't compare to Kobe scoring 55 in three quarters on Mike's pathetic ass. :oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Shit still doesn't compare to Kobe scoring 55 in three quarters on Mike's pathetic ass. :oldlol:

Jordan didn't guard Kobe for even a single possession that game. Nice deflection now that you've been proven wrong, though. :oldlol:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Shit still doesn't compare to Kobe scoring 55 in three quarters on Mike's pathetic ass. :oldlol:

Jacks3 just curious. what is your take on mj, where is he on your all time list, how does kobe fair against him.

how does 03 tmac fair against kobe of 03

[Jacks3]

Jordan didn't guard Kobe for even a single possession that game.
lol @ this blatant lie. Pathetic. :oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ this blatant lie. Pathetic. :oldlol:

Uhh, he didn't. The full video is up on youtube for all to see. Jordan didn't guard him at all that game -- at least not on any possession where Kobe scored.

[Jacks3]

Damn. Jordan is an even bigger ***** than I thought. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Jacks3 just curious. what is your take on mj, where is he on your all time list, how does kobe fair against him.

how does 03 tmac fair against kobe of 03
MJ is the second greatest player ever, but extremely overrated by his retarded fans, who consistently insist that nobody is even close to him. Idiots. Kobe isn't as good as Jordan, but he's pretty close. About 90-92% of Prime Jordan. As far as 03 T-Mac vs 03 Kobe, it can go either way, but I'll Bryant take because of his vastly superior defense and intangibles.

[sekachu]

This is what makes you a f.ucking DUMBASS.
You don't care about the streaks... LMAO!
The streaks does matter cause they prove my point.

Here is 9 of games of shaq being Out:
41pg + 40pg + 40pg + 52pg + 40pg + 44pg + 51pg + 42pg + 46pg

That is 44 points a game.

Now imagine if Kobe played 82 games without shaq... He would average like 37 points like Jordan did. The streak proves my point, now you can GTFO.
If Kobe didn't have shaq, He would go nuts on the league, Totally destroy it!
The only one who did that was Wilt and that speaks volume to me. Only Wilt and Kobe did that, yet you come here and say it means nothing.

NOW GTFO
You're a fool for life!!!!


Since you are so proud of the 9 streaks 40 thing, I have to say this to you, MJ"s 10 scoring titles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>your streak thing :D

[sekachu]

MJ is the second greatest player ever, but extremely overrated by his retarded fans, who consistently insist that nobody is even close to him. Idiots. Kobe isn't as good as Jordan, but he's pretty close. About 90-92% of Prime Jordan. As far as 03 T-Mac vs 03 Kobe, it can go either way, but I'll Bryant take because of his vastly superior defense and intangibles.


90% of prime Jordan? mentality yes, MJ greatness? not even close

[Jacks3]

90% of prime Jordan? mentality yes, MJ greatness? not even close
This is exactly what I mean when I talk about how retarded MJ fans are.:facepalm

[Calabis]

This is exactly what I mean when I talk about how retarded MJ fans are.:facepalm

LMAO!!! Yes physically Bryant is close to Jordan, there is not a huge gap between there talent, hell some things Kobe does better, ie shooting range. But when you start bringing in the mental aspect of the game, clutch performances, accomplishments on the court, impact off the court, compliments from your peers, its not close a all. Even Kobe stated 90% of what he does he learned from MJ, which is why I call him a less efficient version of MJ. That's not a bad thing, it still makes him the best player of his generation and a top 15 player of all time(at this point)

[Bladers]

LMAO!!! Yes physically Bryant is close to Jordan, there is not a huge gap between there talent, hell some things Kobe does better, ie shooting range. But when you start bringing in the mental aspect of the game, clutch performances, accomplishments on the court, impact off the court, compliments from your peers, its not close a all. Even Kobe stated 90% of what he does he learned from MJ, which is why I call him a less efficient version of MJ. That's not a bad thing, it still makes him the best player of his generation and a top 15 player of all time(at this point)

LoL @ Kobe being top 15... :facepalm
Please take your hate-glasses off and rewrite your post again.

[Bladers]

Btw, can you post your top 15 because I don't think you actually believe what your saying. Its just your hate for kobe that drives your opinion about him.

[DirkNowitzki41]

He scored 43 points. So??

[Calabis]

LoL @ Kobe being top 15... :facepalm
Please take your hate-glasses off and rewrite your post again.

Maybe you should take off the glasses with Kobe's nuts dangling in front of them, I didn't say he was number 15, unlike you I take in other people's considerations and I believe him to be on at least everyone top 15, but since your looking for him to be ranked 2 or 3:roll:

Please post your list, let me guess

1. Kobe lmao

[Bladers]

Maybe you should take off the glasses with Kobe's nuts dangling in front of them, I didn't say he was number 15, unlike you I take in other people's considerations and I believe him to be on at least everyone top 15, but since your looking for him to be ranked 2 or 3:roll:

Please post your list, let me guess

1. Kobe lmao

You see, why can't you post your top 15?
you just proved my point that you don't really believe what you say.
But because of your hate for kobe you say it.
But you know, if you keep repeating it long enough. You will eventually start believing it.

and no, Kobe is not #1.

[Calabis]

You see, why can't you post your top 15?
you just proved my point that you don't really believe what you say.
But because of your hate for kobe you say it.
But you know, if you keep repeating it long enough. You will start believing it.

and no, Kobe is not #1.

I don't even know why I respond to you, but here you go, I'm sure by the end of his career I will have Kobe in my top 10, but his career is not finished as of yet. His NBA finals performances is why he is not in my top 10 yet

1 MJ(give him edge of Kareem because his impact off court)
2 Kareem
3 Wilt
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Oscar
7 Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem
10 Duncan
11 West
12 Moses Malone
13 Kobe
14 Baylor
15 Dr J

[ShaqAttack3234]

I don't even know why I respond to you, but here you go, I'm sure by the end of his career I will have Kobe in my top 10, but his career is not finished as of yet. His NBA finals performances is why he is not in my top 10 yet

1 MJ(give him edge of Kareem because his impact off court)
2 Kareem
3 Wilt
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Oscar
7 Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem
10 Duncan
11 West
12 Moses Malone
13 Kobe
14 Baylor
15 Dr J

:oldlol: at Oscar ahead of Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan and Kobe.

[Bladers]

I don't even know why I respond to you, but here you go, I'm sure by the end of his career I will have Kobe in my top 10, but his career is not finished as of yet. His NBA finals performances is why he is not in my top 10 yet

1 MJ(give him edge of Kareem because his impact off court)
2 Kareem
3 Wilt
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Oscar
7 Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem
10 Duncan
11 West
12 Moses Malone
13 Kobe
14 Baylor
15 Dr J

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185691

[ShaqAttack3234]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185691

You laughing at Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan being ranked over Kobe shows what a troll you are. Then again, you showed that earlier in this thread when I destroyed your pathetic argument. Well, best to just put you on my ignore list, kid.

[Bladers]

You laughing at Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan being ranked over Kobe shows what a troll you are. Then again, you showed that earlier in this thread when I destroyed your pathetic argument. Well, best to just put you on my ignore list, kid.

Yes I'm laughing at Shaq being at 8 and Duncan being at 10 and then Kobe at the bottom 13....

LMAO..

[Calabis]

:oldlol: at Oscar ahead of Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan and Kobe.

Laughing at Oscar??? Wow, dude was a complete beast up until the end of his career. You can laugh, I'll keep my opinion, I don't think avg a triple double for a season and almost his career is a laughing matter. Also impact off court was great in a racist time, he stood up for his beliefs. Although Russell did to. Russell was surrounded by greats, not hard to win. Oscar better imo. As far as Shaq, sometimes I would like to put him at 5, because when he was at his peak....he was phenomenal.

[Calabis]

Yes I'm laughing at Shaq being at 8 and Duncan being at 10 and then Kobe at the bottom 13....

LMAO..

Its because your head is so far up his ass, you overrate him. Dude has no iconic finals moments and out of his 5 chips, he's looked like a MVP once. In the biggest games he comes up small...sorry you can keep overrating the dude, I won't. Your laughing at Moses, because you never saw the dude play, nor how good he was...your a Kobe Bryant generation fan, witnessing a league of manufactured stars and a league that had to bend its rules to get more production out of today's guys

[AirJordan&Magic]

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU&feature=PlayList&p=F848822251950496&playnext=1&index=49

And here are the baskets he made with Kobe as his primary defender:

22 seconds (2)
57 seconds (3)
1:03 (3)
1:29 (2+1)
1:40 (3)
1:46 (2)
1:52 (2+1)
1:59 (3)

Total: 22 points scored with Kobe defending him. You were saying? :oldlol: I like how that Kobe stan Jacks3 laughed at me as if I was wrong, too. :oldlol:


I was saying??? Those shots were not contested by Kobe.

The shot at :22 seconds, Kobe is basically just being lazy and standing there.
The shot at 1:52, was not a Kobe contested shot either. Arenas cut through the lane and was contested by another Laker.

I didn't really consider 1:46 a Kobe contested shot either, but Arenas still got past him.

So yes, I still see only 15 points in which Arenas scored with Kobe fully contesting the shot.

[AirJordan&Magic]

I don't even know why I respond to you, but here you go, I'm sure by the end of his career I will have Kobe in my top 10, but his career is not finished as of yet. His NBA finals performances is why he is not in my top 10 yet

1 MJ(give him edge of Kareem because his impact off court)
2 Kareem
3 Wilt
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Oscar
7 Bird
8 Shaq
9 Hakeem
10 Duncan
11 West
12 Moses Malone
13 Kobe
14 Baylor
15 Dr J

:oldlol: at Jerry West and ESPECIALLY Oscar Robertson above Kobe. Kobe Bryant is easily a top 10 player of all time. Anywhere between 8-10.

Unless you can show me why you have Kobe ranked lower than Robertson & West, I'm not considering this list.

I personally have Kobe ranked over Hakeem right now, but I can see someone ranking Hakeem over Kobe.

As far as Oscar and West are concerned, they have absolutely no case over Kobe, imo.

[Calabis]

:oldlol: at Jerry West and ESPECIALLY Oscar Robertson above Kobe. Kobe Bryant is easily a top 10 player of all time. Anywhere between 8-10.

Unless you can show me why you have Kobe ranked lower than Robertson & West, I'm not considering this list.

I personally have Kobe ranked over Hakeem right now, but I can see someone ranking Hakeem over Kobe.

As far as Oscar and West are concerned, they have absolutely no case over Kobe, imo.


Kobe is not a top ten player all time yet, by the end of his career probably. Also I am factoring off court impact(The Big O free agency), Jerry West is the freaking logo, he was that good. Oscar has no case???? Please explain??? Oscar same ppg as Kobe, played much of his career without help, yet still almost avg a triple double for his career, scored at a much more efficient rate, when he got help, he won a CHIP, dominated high school, dominated college, dominated NBA. His win shares destroy Kobe and Russell.

Robertson is regarded as one of the greatest players in NBA history, a triple threat who could score inside, outside and also was a stellar playmaker. His rookie scoring average of 30.5 points per game is the third highest of any rookie in NBA history, and Robertson averaged more than 30 points per game in six of his first seven seasons. Only two other players in the NBA have had more 30+ point per game seasons in their career. Robertson was the first player to average more than 10 assists per game, doing so at a time when the criteria for assists were more stringent than today. Furthermore, Robertson is the only guard in NBA history to ever average more than 10 rebounds per game, doing so three times. In addition to his 1964 regular season MVP award, Robertson won three All-Star Game MVPs in his career (in 1961, 1964, and 1969). He has the all-time highest scoring average in the All-Star Game for players participating in four or more games (the league standard for the record) at 20.5 points per game. He ended his career with 26,710 points (25.7 per game, ninth-highest all time), 9,887 assists (9.5 per game) and 7,804 rebounds (7.5 per game). He led the league in assists six times, and at the time of his retirement, he was the NBA's all-time leader in career assists and free throws made, and was the second all-time leading scorer behind the legendary Wilt Chamberlain. Robertson was enshrined in the Basketball Hall of Fame on April 28, 1980. He received the "Player of the Century" award by the National Association of Basketball Coaches in 2000 and was ranked third on SLAM Magazine's Top 75 NBA Players in 2003, behind fellow NBA legends Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Furthermore, in 2006, ESPN named Robertson the second greatest point guard of all time, praising him as the best post-up guard of all time and placing him only behind Los Angeles Lakers legend Magic Johnson.

If you don't agree than don't, I'm not forcing my list upon no one, just a KobeStan who overrates Kobe, like many others. Big O far more versatile than Kobe. Oscar is the most underrated player, when it comes to people making these lists. Please explain how Kobe is top ten???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4piRZ8_7GY

Glad these guys don't underrate him like so many of you do

[OldSchoolBBall]

I was saying??? Those shots were not contested by Kobe.

The shot at :22 seconds, Kobe is basically just being lazy and standing there.
The shot at 1:52, was not a Kobe contested shot either. Arenas cut through the lane and was contested by another Laker.

I didn't really consider 1:46 a Kobe contested shot either, but Arenas still got past him.

So yes, I still see only 15 points in which Arenas scored with Kobe fully contesting the shot.

Uhh, EVERY shot I listed was with Kobe defending him. Whether or not Kobe "contested" the shot is KOBE'S fault. For instance, Kobe got beat badly on a back-door because he was trying to play ball denial, and then Arenas scored a layup. In another one, Arenas moves well off the ball and spaces out for a baseline jumper with Kobe trying to close out but giving up after realizing it's pointless. You're trying to tell me that's not on Kobe? GTFO of here. :oldlol:

[AirJordan&Magic]

Uhh, EVERY shot I listed was with Kobe defending him. Whether or not Kobe "contested" the shot is KOBE'S fault. For instance, Kobe got beat badly on a back-door because he was trying to play ball denial, and then Arenas scored a layup. In another one, Arenas moves well off the ball and spaces out for a baseline jumper with Kobe trying to close out but giving up after realizing it's pointless. You're trying to tell me that's not on Kobe? GTFO of here. :oldlol:

Yes, thats exactly what I'm telling you. Like I said, Arenas scored 15 POINTS with Kobe contesting his shots.

[Younggrease]

Uhh, EVERY shot I listed was with Kobe defending him. Whether or not Kobe "contested" the shot is KOBE'S fault. For instance, Kobe got beat badly on a back-door because he was trying to play ball denial, and then Arenas scored a layup. In another one, Arenas moves well off the ball and spaces out for a baseline jumper with Kobe trying to close out but giving up after realizing it's pointless. You're trying to tell me that's not on Kobe? GTFO of here. :oldlol:

you realize that Kobe's had like 0 mobility and was still recovering from a knee surgery. He played through it but at time because has hopping on defense instead of sliding. He also lacked explosiveness as was evidenced by tons of missing dunks that year.

If you think that was in any way indicative of playing a healthy Kobe Bryant your being disingenuous.

[blah blah blah]

Yes, thats exactly what I'm telling you. Like I said, Arenas scored 15 POINTS with Kobe contesting his shots.

shut up dawg, if hes not trying its on him, its still his man, and hes getting scored on, get kobes nuts out of your mouth

[AirJordan&Magic]

Kobe is not a top ten player all time yet, by the end of his career probably. Also I am factoring off court impact(The Big O free agency), Jerry West is the freaking logo, he was that good. Oscar has no case???? Please explain??? Oscar same ppg as Kobe, played much of his career without help, yet still almost avg a triple double for his career, scored at a much more efficient rate, when he got help, he won a CHIP, dominated high school, dominated college, dominated NBA. His win shares destroy Kobe and Russell.

Robertson is regarded as one of the greatest players in NBA history, a triple threat who could score inside, outside and also was a stellar playmaker. His rookie scoring average of 30.5 points per game is the third highest of any rookie in NBA history, and Robertson averaged more than 30 points per game in six of his first seven seasons. Only two other players in the NBA have had more 30+ point per game seasons in their career. Robertson was the first player to average more than 10 assists per game, doing so at a time when the criteria for assists were more stringent than today. Furthermore, Robertson is the only guard in NBA history to ever average more than 10 rebounds per game, doing so three times. In addition to his 1964 regular season MVP award, Robertson won three All-Star Game MVPs in his career (in 1961, 1964, and 1969). He has the all-time highest scoring average in the All-Star Game for players participating in four or more games (the league standard for the record) at 20.5 points per game. He ended his career with 26,710 points (25.7 per game, ninth-highest all time), 9,887 assists (9.5 per game) and 7,804 rebounds (7.5 per game). He led the league in assists six times, and at the time of his retirement, he was the NBA's all-time leader in career assists and free throws made, and was the second all-time leading scorer behind the legendary Wilt Chamberlain. Robertson was enshrined in the Basketball Hall of Fame on April 28, 1980. He received the "Player of the Century" award by the National Association of Basketball Coaches in 2000 and was ranked third on SLAM Magazine's Top 75 NBA Players in 2003, behind fellow NBA legends Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Furthermore, in 2006, ESPN named Robertson the second greatest point guard of all time, praising him as the best post-up guard of all time and placing him only behind Los Angeles Lakers legend Magic Johnson.

If you don't agree than don't, I'm not forcing my list upon no one, just a KobeStan who overrates Kobe, like many others. Big O far more versatile than Kobe. Oscar is the most underrated player, when it comes to people making these lists. Please explain how Kobe is top ten???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4piRZ8_7GY

Glad these guys don't underrate him like so many of you do

I can care less about off the court impact, you moron. I'm talking about careers and Kobe Bryant has EASILY been the more successful player through his career than Oscar Robertson. He has accomplished everything Oscar has accomplished and more.

And Oscar didn't play much of his career without help. His first few seasons, yes, but not most of his career.

In fact, while he was teammed up with Jerry Lucas, a 20 ppg 20 rpg legend, he missed the playoffs for THREE CONSECUTIVE SEASONS....THREE!!!!! So spare me that "no help" excuse.
Hilarious that Kobe gets critisized for losing in the first round for 2 consecutive seasons with a poor supporting casts, but this guy misses the playoffs for 3 consecutive seasons despite having a dominant teammate, and clowns forget it.

And yes, when he was teammed up with arguably the greatest player in history, he finally won an Nba championship. And he could have won 1 more if he didn't stink up the 1974 Nba finals and left Kareem to dominate by his lonesome.

And why is Kobe top 10? Thats easy.......because the combination of his skills/peak play/talent/statistical production/accolades/and team success places him there.
Oscar's does not.........It's really that simple.

[AirJordan&Magic]

shut up dawg, if hes not trying its on him, its still his man, and hes getting scored on, get kobes nuts out of your mouth

Who's is ******ging Kobe, you dumbass?? I'm having a debate with another poster and sharing my opinions.

How about you come back at me when you are on my level to have a sensible conversation, idiot.

[blah blah blah]

Who's is ******ging Kobe, you dumbass?? I'm having a debate with another poster and sharing my opinions.

How about you come back at me when you are on my level to have a sensible conversation, idiot.

lol you're the ****ing retard

"oh those points dont count because kobe wasnt trying"

lmao gtfoh, if you're guarding somebody and he scores, its on you, is it that hard to understand? i know kobe is probably your hero but its ok to admit it

[OldSchoolBBall]

you realize that Kobe's had like 0 mobility and was still recovering from a knee surgery. He played through it but at time because has hopping on defense instead of sliding. He also lacked explosiveness as was evidenced by tons of missing dunks that year.

If you think that was in any way indicative of playing a healthy Kobe Bryant your being disingenuous.

And you're talking to the wrong person here. Why didn't you correct the person who said 10-15 points came on Kobe? I'm correcting ACTUAL FALSEHOODS. Sorry if it offends you. I never implied that Kobe was 100%.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Yes, thats exactly what I'm telling you. Like I said, Arenas scored 15 POINTS with Kobe contesting his shots.

And you're an idiot for saying it. Arenas scored 22 points on Kobe. I specified each play. Getting blown by and getting beat back-door count, however much you'd like to reinvent what "primary defender" means.

[Calabis]

I can care less about off the court impact, you moron. I'm talking about careers and Kobe Bryant has EASILY been the more successful player through his career than Oscar Robertson. He has accomplished everything Oscar has accomplished and more.

And Oscar didn't play much of his career without help. His first few seasons, yes, but not most of his career.

In fact, while he was teammed up with Jerry Lucas, a 20 ppg 20 rpg legend, he missed the playoffs for THREE CONSECUTIVE SEASONS....THREE!!!!! So spare me that "no help" excuse.
Hilarious that Kobe gets critisized for losing in the first round for 2 consecutive seasons with a poor supporting casts, but this guy misses the playoffs for 3 consecutive seasons despite having a dominant teammate, and clowns forget it.

And yes, when he was teammed up with arguably the greatest player in history, he finally won an Nba championship. And he could have won 1 more if he didn't stink up the 1974 Nba finals and left Kareem to dominate by his lonesome.

And why is Kobe top 10? Thats easy.......because the combination of his skills/peak play/talent/statistical production/accolades/and team success places him there.
Oscar's does not.........It's really that simple.

First off moron, if you want to just talk about on court, Kobe still not better, please take your head out of Kobe's ass. John Lucas never avg 20/20, and once he stopped playing with Oscar, look at his avg numbers . Also I don't give a **** if Kobe missed the playoffs, what I said is look at his finals performances........Also look at the Bucks record when he left dumbass they won like 30 something games, so please stfu Kareem like Kareem won without him. As far as Kobe accomplishing everything Oscar did...lmao, triple double season, while avg 30 enough said. Kobe hasn't came close to the numbers Oscar put up,

PPG Oscar by a couple tenths
30ppg seasons: Oscar
Ast Oscar
Reb Oscar
FG% Oscar
Points both played 14 seasons Oscar 26701(without a three point line) KB24 25790

Kobe is way to overrated by stans like you, and you should thank Oscar for off court impact, ever heard of free agency??? I'm sure that has impact on the court. Kobe not top ten all time, maybe when career is over.

Oops looked at his per 36

[AirJordan&Magic]

And you're an idiot for saying it. Arenas scored 22 points on Kobe. I specified each play. Getting blown by and getting beat back-door count, however much you'd like to reinvent what "primary defender" means.

Look at my original comment, you moron. I said "he did not score more than 10-15 points on Kobe".

Watch the video. Two of the supposed field goals that you said he scored on Kobe, were not contested by Kobe.

And now Kobe was Gilbert's primary defender, despite the fact he was guarded mostly by Smush Parker? Your the idiot here.

[AirJordan&Magic]

lol you're the ****ing retard

"oh those points dont count because kobe wasnt trying"

lmao gtfoh, if you're guarding somebody and he scores, its on you, is it that hard to understand? i know kobe is probably your hero but its ok to admit it

:oldlol: Please quote where I said that you clown. I have clearly said that those points were uncontested and undefended points.

Am I wrong?

And :oldlol: at the old "this player is your hero" copout. Me being a fan or a hater of a player has nothing to do with my vision. Same can't be said for the last 2 imbeciles I have been arguing with on this thread.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Look at my original comment, you moron. I said "he did not score more than 10-15 points on Kobe".

Watch the video. Two of the supposed field goals that you said he scored on Kobe, were not contested by Kobe.

And now Kobe was Gilbert's primary defender, despite the fact he was guarded mostly by Smush Parker? Your the idiot here.

Scoring points "on" someone means scoring them when that player is your primary defender. Kobe was the primary defender on every single play I highlighted. Therefore, Arenas scored 22 points ON Kobe. Deal with it. You're like the only person here who interprets it the way you do.

My personal favorite is the part where you said "Arenas blew by Kobe there, but that's not scoring on him." :oldlol: Yeah man, blowing past someone and converting a layup doesn't count as "scoring on them". Whatever you say kid. :oldlol:

[Younggrease]

Scoring points "on" someone means scoring them when that player is your primary defender. Kobe was the primary defender on every single play I highlighted. Therefore, Arenas scored 22 points ON Kobe. Deal with it. You're like the only person here who interprets it the way you do.

My personal favorite is the part where you said "Arenas blew by Kobe there, but that's not scoring on him." :oldlol: Yeah man, blowing past someone and converting a layup doesn't count as "scoring on them". Whatever you say kid. :oldlol:

who had at that time the lateral movement of luke walton

[OldSchoolBBall]

who had at that time the lateral movement of luke walton

Yeah, you're not exaggerating at all. :oldlol: I admitted he wasn't 100%, but this statement is crazy.

Also, you're kidding yourself if you don't think Arenas could get by a healthy Kobe at will. Arenas in '06 was probably the most explosive SG in the league in terms of first step and acceleration imo. He was a level above Kobe in that respect.

[AirJordan&Magic]

First off moron, if you want to just talk about on court, Kobe still not better, please take your head out of Kobe's ass. John Lucas never avg 20/20, and once he stopped playing with Oscar, look at his avg numbers . Also I don't give a **** if Kobe missed the playoffs, what I said is look at his finals performances........Also look at the Bucks record when he left dumbass they won like 30 something games, so please stfu Kareem like Kareem won without him. As far as Kobe accomplishing everything Oscar did...lmao, triple double season, while avg 30 enough said. Kobe hasn't came close to the numbers Oscar put up,

PPG Oscar by a couple tenths
30ppg seasons: Oscar
Ast Oscar
Reb Oscar
FG% Oscar
Points both played 14 seasons Oscar 26701(without a three point line) KB24 25790

Kobe is way to overrated by stans like you, and you should thank Oscar for off court impact, ever heard of free agency??? I'm sure that has impact on the court. Kobe not top ten all time, maybe when career is over.

:oldlol: This is too easy. And the fact that you are gettig butthurt like a little ***** makes this even funnier.

Let's revisit the failures of your posts

1. "John Lucas never avg 20/20, and once he stopped playing with Oscar, look at his avg numbers"

First off, it's JERRY Lucas, not John idiot. And Jerry Lucas averaged at least 20 ppg & 20 rpg TWICE. Both seasons with Cincinatti.

1964-65- 21.4 ppg 20.0 rpg on .498% shooting.
1965-66- 21.5 ppg 21.1 rpg on .457% shooting.

And once he stopped playing with Oscar, he was still putting up great numbers. The season Oscar left, Lucas posted 19.2 ppg 15.8 rpg on 50% shooting for the entire season.

2. "Also look at the Bucks record when he left dumbass they won like 30 something games, so please stfu Kareem like Kareem won without him"

That season shows Kareem's importance to that team rather than Oscar leaving. Kareem was injured that season and the Bucks were 3-14 without him in the roster and the Bucks finished 38-44. Do the math, moron.
When you factor in their record without Kareem, it's safe to say they would have made the playoffs had it not been for Kareem missing 17 games.

And :oldlol: . Did you just say "like Kareem won without him"? Kareem's career without Oscar was light years better than Oscar's career without Kareem. Had it not been for Kareem, he would have ended up just like Charles Barkley.

3. "Also I don't give a **** if Kobe missed the playoffs, what I said is look at his finals performances".

Kobe has been to the finals 7 times, Oscar only twice.

Kobe Bryant has played great in 3 of his finals appearances (2001, 2002, and 2009), Subpar in 2 of them (2000 and 2010), and bad in the other two (2004 and 2008).
Oscar played good in one (1971), and bad in the other (1974). Their really is no comparison, if thats what you were trying to do.

4. "As far as Kobe accomplishing everything Oscar did...lmao, triple double season, while avg 30 enough said. Kobe hasn't came close to the numbers Oscar put up".

So? Neither has the other greats. Michael Jordan in the 1990 season is the only player who's individual season even remotely looks similar to Oscar's triple double season and it still wasn't really close.
And there are feats. that Kobe have accomplished that Oscar never has even been close to, so I could play that game as well.

And the career stats are irrelevent unless you can put them in proper context. Did Oscar and Kobe come into the league in similar situations? NO....one player came in as the franchise player, the other came in as a 17 yr old bench warmer.

And I'm a stan for what? Because I don't believe that Oscar should be ranked higher on the all time list? ...Honestly, that is the only copout for idiots like yourself.

[OldSchoolBBall]

:ol
Kobe Bryant has played great in 3 of his finals appearances (2001, 2002, and 2009), Subpar in 2 of them (2000 and 2010), and bad in the other two (2004 and 2008).

Kobe did not play "great" in the 2001 Finals. He played okay. Something like 26/6/5/42% FG. Vince Carter demolished that same Sixer team two rounds prior to the tune of 31/6/5/48% FG. That's playing great. Kobe was well below all of his season and postseason averages - not sure how that's "great."

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe did not play "great" in the 2001 Finals. He played okay. Something like 26/6/5/42% FG. Vince Carter demolished that same Sixer team two rounds prior to the tune of 31/6/5/48% FG. That's playing great. Kobe was well below all of his season and postseason averages - not sure how that's "great."

classic lebron fan, doesnt understand the difference between finals and playoffs

[AirJordan&Magic]

Scoring points "on" someone means scoring them when that player is your primary defender. Kobe was the primary defender on every single play I highlighted. Therefore, Arenas scored 22 points ON Kobe. Deal with it. You're like the only person here who interprets it the way you do.

My personal favorite is the part where you said "Arenas blew by Kobe there, but that's not scoring on him." :oldlol: Yeah man, blowing past someone and converting a layup doesn't count as "scoring on them". Whatever you say kid. :oldlol:

First off, I'm 29 pushing 30. I'm no kid in any sense, so relax with the big man act.

And I was saying that some of those plays you mentioned where not contested by Kobe. And in that case, I guess it is Kobe's fault.

[OldSchoolBBall]

classic lebron fan, doesnt understand the difference between finals and playoffs

There is no difference. Teams in the playoffs play hard every round. This is a recent myth propagated by obnoxious Kobe fans.

Any comment on how being held well below your season and postseason averages in every category is "playing great"? Yeah, I thought not. :oldlol:

[AirJordan&Magic]

Kobe did not play "great" in the 2001 Finals. He played okay. Something like 26/6/5/42% FG. Vince Carter demolished that same Sixer team two rounds prior to the tune of 31/6/5/48% FG. That's playing great. Kobe was well below all of his season and postseason averages - not sure how that's "great."

After Kobe stunk it up in game 1 (the Lakers only loss in the series), he followed up with a great all around series.

He averaged 27.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 6.0 apg 1.7 spg 1.2 bpg on 46% shooting for the remainder of the 4 games. That is better than ok.

Maybe not great, but it is better than ok.

[Younggrease]

Yeah, you're not exaggerating at all. :oldlol: I admitted he wasn't 100%, but this statement is crazy.

Also, you're kidding yourself if you don't think Arenas could get by a healthy Kobe at will. Arenas in '06 was probably the most explosive SG in the league in terms of first step and acceleration imo. He was a level above Kobe in that respect.

Then I guess im kidding myself then...

funny how during this stretch of time:

1. AK47 calls out Kobe
2. Kobe misses several dunks and knee buckles several times
3. Gilbert drops 60 in the same game as Kobe

these things have never happened in other time in Kobe's career. Im susposed to think its coincidence that Gilbert becomes unstoppable when Kobe's knee is no where near 100%.

This is the same time on ISH where people were saying that he would never be 100% again, that he lied about what surgery he had, and that he would never be as effective again....

[OldSchoolBBall]

After Kobe stunk it up in game 1 (the Lakers only loss in the series), he followed up with a great all around series.

He averaged 27.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 6.0 apg 1.7 spg 1.2 bpg on 46% shooting for the remainder of the 4 games. That is better than ok.

Maybe not great, but it is better than ok.

Averages: learn what they are. You don't get to pick and choose a player's best games in a series, or ignore the poor ones.

Kobe fans: ignoring rationality and reason since 1999.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Then I guess im kidding myself then...

funny how during this stretch of time:

1. AK47 calls out Kobe
2. Kobe misses several dunks and knee buckles several times
3. Gilbert drops 60 in the same game as Kobe

these things have never happened in other time in Kobe's career. Im susposed to think its coincidence that Gilbert becomes unstoppable when Kobe's knee is no where near 100%.

This is the same time on ISH where people were saying that he would never be 100% again, that he lied about what surgery he had, and that he would never be as effective again....

Again: no one is saying Kobe wasn't 100%, but you're kidding yourself if you think a 2006 Arenas couldn't get by Kobe whenever he wanted to. Kobe was and is routinely blown by by far less explosive players than '06 Arenas. His first step and acceleration were all-time elite that season.

[Younggrease]

Again: no one is saying Kobe wasn't 100%, but you're kidding yourself if you think a 2006 Arenas couldn't get by Kobe whenever he wanted to. Kobe was and is routinely blown by by far less explosive players than '06 Arenas. His first step and acceleration were all-time elite that season.

now, who is exaggerating...Kobe is an all defensive player, who has guarded some of the best guards to ever play the game. No one just routinely gone by him at will, but Gilbert will? Kobe is a elite defender and when locked, which he would have been in this situation would not have let that happen...

[AirJordan23]

It's funny people bring up Iverson going off in game 1 for the reason they didn't sweep the postseason yet it was Kobe's subpar play in game 1 that didn't ensure the sweep. Kobe wasn't great at all that year. Anyone who thinks so is kidding themselves. He wasn't even guarding Iverson (save for first half of game 1 where he got torched) so you can't make the argument that he was playing great defense. On who? Snow and McKie? The two offensive juggernauts. And he shot 42% for the series. And it should be noted that Shaq was drawing all the defensive attention and Kobe primarily had single coverage. In fact, if you stack up most of the star SGs performances against the Philly defense in the playoffs, Kobe's is probably the worst.

Reggie Miller (first round):
31/5/3 on 46% shooting. TS% 61 btw. :oldlol:

Vince Carter (ECSF):
31/6/5/ on 48% shooting. Had a 50 pt game with like 9 threes.

Ray Allen (ECF):
27/3/5 on 47% shooting.

All these guys were doing this as the number 1 option on their team and as the focus of the D. Kobe's performance against Philly wasn't great at all especially when you compare it to what his contemporaries did.

[OldSchoolBBall]

now, who is exaggerating...Kobe is an all defensive player, who has guarded some of the best guards to ever play the game. No one just routinely gone by him at will, but Gilbert will? Kobe is a elite defender and when locked, which he would have been in this situation would not have let that happen...

Two things: no, Kobe has never guarded anyone with Arenas' first step and acceleration in '06 aside from MAYBE Iverson. Secondly, the only times he's guarded anyone that explosive he always had trees or Shaq behind him. Not so in 2006. He would have to play the drive as well as the shot, which is something he's rarely had to do against elite players in his career. Arenas would have gotten by him at will unless Kobe gave him a lot of space, which would open up Gilbert's jumper.

[OldSchoolBBall]

It's funny people bring up Iverson going off in game 1 for the reason they didn't sweep the postseason yet it was Kobe's subpar play in game 1 that didn't ensure the sweep. Kobe wasn't great at all that year. Anyone who thinks so is kidding themselves. He wasn't even guarding Iverson (save for first half of game 1 where he got torched) so you can't make the argument that he was playing great defense. On who? Snow and McKie? The two offensive juggernauts. And he shot 42% for the series. And it should be noted that Shaq was drawing all the defensive attention and Kobe primarily had single coverage. In fact, if you stack up most of the star SGs performances against the Philly defense in the playoffs, Kobe's is probably the worst.

Reggie Miller (first round):
31/5/3 on 46% shooting. TS% 61 btw. :oldlol:

Vince Carter (ECSF):
31/6/5/ on 48% shooting. Had a 50 pt game with like 9 threes.

Ray Allen (ECF):
27/3/5 on 47% shooting.

All these guys were doing this as the number 1 option on their team and as the focus of the D. Kobe's performance against Philly wasn't great at all especially when you compare it to what his contemporaries did.

Don't expect any Kobe fan to agree with you. There are always qualifications and excuses for Kobe. You don't even have to go as far as comparing him to other players' performances vs. Philly -- just look at how far below his 2001 season/postseason averages he was held (29/6/5/46% RS and 31/7+/6+/48% postseason up until the Finals, where he averaged 24.6 pts/7.3 reb/5.8 ast/42% FG)). But somehow they count that as "playing great." No, he played OKAY.

[Jacks3]

I was saying??? Those shots were not contested by Kobe.

The shot at :22 seconds, Kobe is basically just being lazy and standing there.
The shot at 1:52, was not a Kobe contested shot either. Arenas cut through the lane and was contested by another Laker.

I didn't really consider 1:46 a Kobe contested shot either, but Arenas still got past him.

So yes, I still see only 15 points in which Arenas scored with Kobe fully contesting the shot.
This. MJ stans are ridiculous.

[Jacks3]

Oh, and Kobe completely shut Arenas down the next game they played. Held Gilbert to 9-29 shooting while doping 39 pts on 54%. :bowdown:

[L.Kizzle]

Oh, and Kobe completely shut Arenas down the next game they played. Held Gilbert to 9-29 shooting while doping 39 pts on 54%. :bowdown:
Arenas wants to cross Kobe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD7GGfyEAdQ)

[Jacks3]

9-29. Shut that ass down. There's a reason Bryant will end up with more All-Defense teams than anybody in history.:bowdown: :bowdown:

[konex]

It's crazy how good MJ was at that age..

[AirJordan&Magic]

Averages: learn what they are. You don't get to pick and choose a player's best games in a series, or ignore the poor ones.

Kobe fans: ignoring rationality and reason since 1999.

Nobody ignored anything, idiot. I simply stated facts about what he averaged after his horrible game 1.

What you are, my friend, is a blind biased Kobe detractor.

[Bladers]

Nobody ignored anything, idiot. I simply stated facts about what he averaged after his horrible game 1.

What you are, my friend, is a blind biased Kobe detractor.

He is, but he is not blind. Its his hate for Kobe that is driving him.
He is rocking his hate-glasses on.
If only he would take it off, ISH would be a better place. :rolleyes:

[AirJordan&Magic]

It's crazy how good MJ was at that age..

It really is crazy how good Mj was at age 38-40.

He was dropping buckets on these guys with wore down ankles and 15 years of milage on his knees.

I will never forget that ridiculous two-handed block he did against the Bulls. :oldlol:

[AirJordan&Magic]

This. MJ stans are ridiculous.

This has nothing to do with Mj fans, because there are many good Jordan fans on this site like 97 Bulls and KBlaze. I too, was and still is a huge fan of Jordan's.

The difference between me and this clown is that I didn't follow the pattern that "All Mj fans should hate or discredit Kobe."

I don't have to build this agenda to discredit Kobe at every opportunity as a defense mechanism for Jordan's career. Why? Because I, like any other sensible fan, knows Kobe will never have the impact Jordan had on this game.

And that shouldn't be a problem for Kobe fans, either. So what if Kobe will never reach Jordans or Kareem's status? Those are hard legacies to live up too.

Kobe is an all time great in his own rights. Easily a top 10 player of all time, despite what any dumbass detractor spews out of their mouth.

[triangleoffense]

This has nothing to do with Mj fans, because there are many good Jordan fans on this site like 97 Bulls and KBlaze. I too, was and still is a huge fan of Jordan's.

The difference between me and this clown is that I didn't follow the pattern that "All Mj fans should hate or discredit Kobe."

I don't have to build this agenda to discredit Kobe at every opportunity as a defense mechanism for Jordan's career. Why? Because I, like any other sensible fan, knows Kobe will never have the impact Jordan had on this game.

And that shouldn't be a problem for Kobe fans, either. So what if Kobe will never reach Jordans or Kareem's status? Those are hard legacies to live up too.

Kobe is an all time great in his own rights. Easily a top 10 player of all time, despite what any dumbass detractor spews out of their mouth.

Great post.. I feel the exact same way. People these days act like you can't be a Kobe fan without hating Lebron/Jordan or a Lebron fan without hating Kobe/MJ.

Do Bird fans hate Magic or vice versa? I doubt any real fans do, and it's because of each other that both of them became the great players that they are.

[Jacks3]

This has nothing to do with Mj fans, because there are many good Jordan fans on this site like 97 Bulls and KBlaze. I too, was and still is a huge fan of Jordan's.

The difference between me and this clown is that I didn't follow the pattern that "All Mj fans should hate or discredit Kobe."

I don't have to build this agenda to discredit Kobe at every opportunity as a defense mechanism for Jordan's career. Why? Because I, like any other sensible fan, knows Kobe will never have the impact Jordan had on this game.

And that shouldn't be a problem for Kobe fans, either. So what if Kobe will never reach Jordans or Kareem's status? Those are hard legacies to live up too.

Kobe is an all time great in his own rights. Easily a top 10 player of all time, despite what any dumbass detractor spews out of their mouth.
Great post. :applause:

[OldSchoolBBall]

LMAO @ this tool "AirJordan&Magic" calling me a "bad Jordan fan" because I consider GETTING BLOWN BY AND HAVING A LAYUP MADE being "scored on." If that isn't being scored on, what the FUKC is? :oldlol:

If I face you up, blow by you, and hit a layup, that's not you being scored on? What a freaking joke this kid is. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs200.snc4/38351_958333934051_10053624_54058798_6368173_n.jpg

[Manute for Ever!]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs200.snc4/38351_958333934051_10053624_54058798_6368173_n.jpg

http://www.portraitschicago.com/images/mj.jpg
Not At All.

Let's see, six of the big ones, six of the smaller ones, five of the statue ones, two of those medals, three of the clear ones... No, not mad at all :D

[Jacks3]

Kobe haters=/MJ fans! No. :facepalm

[Manute for Ever!]

Kobe haters=/MJ fans! No. :facepalm

I'm a Bulls fan, actually, but I'm just fighting fire with fire. Sucks, doesn't it? Well that is what every single one of your posts looks like to non-Kobe fanboys.

[Jacks3]

I was saying that Kobe haters are not always Jordan/Bull fans...:wtf: Calm down.

[DCL]

MJ was still averaging 20/5/5 as on old man. :applause:


no shame in that. i dont know why people think he "ruined" any legacy. in fact, i think he enhanced it by letting people know he still had some stuff as an old man. what did people expect? him still dropping 35-8-7 at age 40???

fact is only a small handful of players, if any, had played better basketball than mike at the same age.

[hookul]

9-29. Shut that ass down. There's a reason Bryant will end up with more All-Defense teams than anybody in history.:bowdown: :bowdown:

You really think Kobe will be on a all-defense team for the next 4 years?

[Jacks3]

You really think Kobe will be on a all-defense team for the next 4 years?
Why not? He was terrific last year. About as good as Battier or Artest.

[AirJordan&Magic]

LMAO @ this tool "AirJordan&Magic" calling me a "bad Jordan fan" because I consider GETTING BLOWN BY AND HAVING A LAYUP MADE being "scored on." If that isn't being scored on, what the FUKC is? :oldlol:

If I face you up, blow by you, and hit a layup, that's not you being scored on? What a freaking joke this kid is. :oldlol:

Lmao! at this idiot making up reasons for me calling him out for what he is. I didn't call you a bad Jordan fan, what you are though, is a blind Jordan homer.

And when did I say that getting blown by was not getting scored on, you moron? I higlighted two of the plays in which I felt Kobe wasn't contesting his shots and clearly aknowledged I was wrong.

But you want to keep pushing this dickriding Mj worshipping/Kobe hating agenda and butt into my debate. You are the real joke here, "kid."

You are no better than these Kobe homers. This is the same clown that tried to diminish Dennis Rodman's impact on the 2nd three-peat Bulls, and labeling him an offensive liability & saying he was inferior to Ben Wallace. Just to have another Bulls fan make a complete fool out of his ass.