View Full Version : Without sports, where would these guys be in life?
kabalcage
08-08-2010, 09:35 PM
My Picks
Best Adjusted:
Ray Allen - Well spoken, incredible work ethic, an easy hire for any manager. This is the guy that's probably working on his shot right now, the kind of guy that runs the same monotonous drills every single day of life. Truly dedicated, a manger's dream employee. A class act.
Kobe Bryant - Also has an incredible work ethic. But what's more important is his desire to be the best. I could really see Kobe as a hot-shot on Wall St doing whatever it takes to get ahead.
Greg Oden - Gregarious... Supposedly excelled in school, he seems wise beyond his years. I'm sure he could've been a likable principal or something of that ilk.
Danny Granger - Smart as a whip. Graduated with a degree in civil engineering at New Mexico; was offered a partial scholarship to Yale.
Emeka Okafor - Graduated with honors in three years with a degree in Finance.
Worst Adjusted:
Rasheed Wallace - Loud mouth trouble maker with a mix of crazy. Would probably be homeless.
Ron Artest - Gangbanger.
JR Smith - Same.
Rajon Rondo - Sneaky. I can imagine him being a small-time thief.
tpols
08-08-2010, 09:38 PM
Rasheed Wallace - Loud mouth trouble maker with a mix of crazy. Would probably be homeless.
:roll: :applause:
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 09:38 PM
Most former athletes that get a career-ending injury or simply wasn't good enough turn to the film industry. So either that or some kind of criminal life cause if you look at the life stories of some NBA players, the focus on basketball kept them out of trouble.
xoneatom
08-08-2010, 09:39 PM
i heard that rondo is actually quite smart, good at math
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 09:41 PM
i heard that rondo is actually quite smart, good at math
Yeah, but "smart" for athletes is different from "smart" for the average person. Like people thought Kobe was a genius for scoring over 1000 (1060?) on his SATs, but without sports, that's only good enough to get you into a state school with no scholarship.
tpols
08-08-2010, 09:43 PM
Yeah, but "smart" for athletes is different from "smart" for the average person. Like people thought Kobe was a genius for scoring over 1000 (1060?) on his SATs, but without sports, that's only good enough to get you into a state school with no scholarship.
nothing wrong with that:confusedshrug:
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 09:44 PM
nothing wrong with that:confusedshrug:
For people with low standards, yeah.
SinJackal
08-08-2010, 09:47 PM
nothing wrong with that:confusedshrug:
Nothing wrong with it, but still far, FAR from being a "genius".
SuperPippen
08-08-2010, 09:48 PM
Karl Malone - Next great action movie star.
Charles Barkley - Would be the guy from, "Man vs. Food".
Larry Bird - Farmer
Dennis Rodman - Psychotic drug dealer.
L.Kizzle
08-08-2010, 09:51 PM
Shaq: Cop
Paul Pierce: C-Movie Actor
Shawn Kemp: Porn Star
Jerry Stackhouse: Singer
Kareem: Author
tpols
08-08-2010, 09:53 PM
For people with low standards, yeah.
so everyone that doesn't go to an ivy league has low standards? What spoiled family are you from bro? Not everyone has the money for it and 99% of people don't have the IQ or work ethic to get a full ride to a top college.
There have been many successful people coming out of regular colleges and a lot who never went to college at all. SMH at the guy who spends 10 hours a day on a message board saying people that go to state colleges are underachievers in life. Irony at its finest.
Yeah, but "smart" for athletes is different from "smart" for the average person. Like people thought Kobe was a genius for scoring over 1000 (1060?) on his SATs, but without sports, that's only good enough to get you into a state school with no scholarship.
Im sorry but do you realize the drop off between people capable of accepting a full scholarship to a state school, and everyone else? :wtf:
Kobe was/is very smart if you think about it.
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 09:54 PM
so everyone that doesn't go to an ivy league has low standards? What spoiled family are you from bro? Not everyone has the money for it and 99% of people don't have the IQ or work ethic to get a full ride to a top college.
There have been many successful people coming out of regular colleges and a lot who never went to college at all. SMH at the guy who spends 10 hours a day on a message board saying people that go to state colleges are underachievers in life. Irony at its finest.
Whoa there kiddo. Where did I say that? I said state college w/ no scholarship. Where'd ivy league go into it? Lmao. Cry me a river. Not everyone has the money, that's why you work hard to get an academic scholarship. Don't they teach that in poor families too?
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 09:56 PM
Im sorry but do you realize the drop off between people capable of accepting a full scholarship to a state school, and everyone else? :wtf:
Kobe was/is very smart if you think about it.
Where did I say it had to be a full scholarship? I just said he'd go to a state school with no scholarship. Holy shit people here are sensitive. And I'd say Kobe's very smart in comparison to his peers, but not in the grand scheme of things.
kabalcage
08-08-2010, 09:57 PM
Shaq: Cop
Paul Pierce: C-Movie Actor
Shawn Kemp: Porn Star
Jerry Stackhouse: Singer
Kareem: Author
Would his nickname still be Reign Man?
so everyone that doesn't go to an ivy league has low standards? What spoiled family are you from bro? Not everyone has the money for it and 99% of people don't have the IQ or work ethic to get a full ride to a top college.
There have been many successful people coming out of regular colleges and a lot who never went to college at all. SMH at the guy who spends 10 hours a day on a message board saying people that go to state colleges are underachievers in life. Irony at its finest.
Definetly its quite pathetic.
Im sorry for being a "failure" because I worked my ass off despite rough school environments in the inner city and wasn't able to score a 2000 on my SAT to go to Harvard.
This guy really doesn't understand how smart you have to be to even attend a state university, in comparison with on average 7/10 of a graduating HS class headed for Community College, Military, or the job force.
btw Kobe had a full scholarship ride to Duke, he would've took had he went to college.
SuperPippen
08-08-2010, 10:01 PM
Rick Barry - Porn star
Michael Jordan - Professional poker player.
David Robinson - Admiral in the Navy.
David Stern - President of the U.S.A
GovernmentMan
08-08-2010, 10:01 PM
Definetly its quite pathetic.
Im sorry for being a "failure" because I worked my ass off despite rough school environments in the inner city and wasn't able to score a 2000 on my SAT to go to Harvard.
This guy really doesn't understand how smart you have to be to even attend a state university, in comparison with on average 7/10 of a graduating HS class headed for Community College, Military, or the job force.
btw Kobe had a full scholarship ride to Duke, he would've took had he went to college.
:milton
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 10:02 PM
Definetly its quite pathetic.
Im sorry for being a "failure" because I worked my ass off despite rough school environments in the inner city and wasn't able to score a 2000 on my SAT to go to Harvard.
This guy really doesn't understand how smart you have to be to even attend a state university, in comparison with on average 7/10 of a graduating HS class headed for Community College, Military, or the job force.
LOL. Where did I say failure? And where did I say there was something wrong with it? I said he wouldn't be a genius out there in the real world with SAT scores like that and that's true. He'd be average.
btw Kobe had a full scholarship ride to Duke, he would've took had he went to college.
You do know the title says "without sports" right?
Where did I say it had to be a full scholarship? I just said he'd go to a state school with no scholarship. Holy shit people here are sensitive.
Thats irrelevant. Kobe had full scholarship rides to numerous universities, including Duke, where he claims he would've gone to. You can't just enroll at a "State school", you have to be accepted and met the standards to attend the school. Then you have to factor in other important things like community service. They aren't Community Colleges. There is a huge drop off between the people who can be accepted into a State school and those destined for 2 years at a Community College/Junior College.
And I'd say Kobe's very smart in comparison to his peers, but not in the grand scheme of things.
He is smart in the grand scheme of things. Do you honestly believe the majority of people in the United States are well educated and even capable of pulling off a 1060 out of 1600 on their SAT? Dont let your suburban preppy childhood flaw reality. I'd say 2/3 of people in the United States aren't educated, aren't skilled, and are destined to become slaves of the 9-5 grind due to it. Kobe in comparisons with the retards walking around in the NBA, but he is very smart in comparison to everyone else walking around in this country.
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 10:11 PM
Thats irrelevant. Kobe had full scholarship rides to numerous universities, including Duke, where he claims he would've gone to. You can't just enroll at a "State school", you have to be accepted and met the standards to attend the school. Then you have to factor in other important things like community service. They aren't Community Colleges. There is a huge drop off between the people who can be accepted into a State school and those destined for 2 years at a Community College/Junior College.
Those scholarships were to play basketball. Not academic scholarships.
He is smart in the grand scheme of things. Do you honestly believe the majority of people in the United States are well educated and even capable of pulling off a 1060 out of 1600 on their SAT? Dont let your suburban preppy childhood flaw reality. I'd say 2/3 of people in the United States aren't educated, aren't skilled, and are destined to become slaves of the 9-5 grind due to it. Kobe in comparisons with the retards walking around in the NBA, but he is very smart in comparison to everyone else walking around in this country.
What flawed reality? I scored a 1320 which pales in comparison to other people I knew and I wasn't even able to get into an Ivy League school. I did however get into a state school with a scholarship. 1060 is not "very smart". It's average. And no I didn't grow up in the suburbs.
LOL. Where did I say failure? And where did I say there was something wrong with it? I said he wouldn't be a genius out there in the real world with SAT scores like that and that's true. He'd be average.
There are few people in society who are even on genius level. Dont let all of these Asians & Punjabis with 2000+ SAT scores fool you. 99% of them aren't geniuses at all, they just have a master work ethic that most people born here dont have.
Kobe isn't average by any means. The average guy doesn't have the education to excel from where he is currently. These guys are flipping burgers at 20 and they are telling people how to flip burgers at 40. Thats average. There are a lot of people like that.
Kobe would be considered one of the smart people in society, there are a lot but not more than the average & dumb ones.
You do know the title says "without sports" right?
A Duke scholarship doesn't go to people only because of sports. You have to be capable of staying eligible academically at a challenging institution like Duke to even get an offer of a full scholarship.
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 10:18 PM
There are few people in society who are even on genius level. Dont let all of these Asians & Punjabis with 2000+ SAT scores fool you. 99% of them aren't geniuses at all, they just have a master work ethic that most people born here dont have.
Kobe isn't average by any means. The average guy doesn't have the education to excel from where he is currently. These guys are flipping burgers at 20 and they are telling people how to flip burgers at 40. Thats average. There are a lot of people like that.
Kobe would be considered one of the smart people in society, there are a lot but not more than the average & dumb ones.
Then your standards are lower than mine.
A Duke scholarship doesn't go to people only because of sports. You have to be capable of staying eligible academically at a challenging institution like Duke to even get an offer of a full scholarship.
That's not what I said. I said Kobe's scholarship would've been for sports. Had he never played basketball, he would never have gotten a scholarship in the first place. Duke doesn't hand out scholarships to students with 1060 SAT scores. Hell, you might not even be accepted.
In 2005 (before they changed it to the 2400 scale), for males, the average score for verbal was 513 and the average for math as 538. So yes, he's average. Where did I say there was anything wrong with being average?
Those scholarships were to play basketball. Not academic scholarships.
False.
If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.
What flawed reality? I scored a 1320 which pales in comparison to other people I knew and I wasn't even able to get into an Ivy League school. I did however get into a state school with a scholarship. 1060 is not "very smart". It's average. And no I didn't grow up in the suburbs.
You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.
1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 10:24 PM
False.
If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.
Holy shit. Are we even in the same conversation? I said KOBE BRYANT's GODDAMN SCHOLARSHIP was for basketball. Obviously you have to maintain eligibility like everyone else. Doesn't make you a genius.
You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.
1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.
I scored a 1320/1600. Well, now therein lies the problem. I had people in my school that were minorities that scored much lower but got into Cornell, UPENN, and some even Harvard. Now because I'm white, I had to go to a state school. Real fair isn't it? I grew up under the same conditions and in the same damn city. I did qualify for a state scholarship, but not a full ride.
QuebecBaller
08-08-2010, 10:25 PM
Paul Pierce: C-Movie Actor
In court for suing many compagnies/stores because of the injuries (that he never had) that happened to him when he was there :D
Then your standards are lower than mine.
Thats because you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth.
My standards are higher than yours, but I have to work 2x harder than people like you while balancing other things that you couldn't possibly imagine doing at my age.
That's not what I said. I said Kobe's scholarship would've been for sports. Had he never played basketball, he would never have gotten a scholarship in the first place. Duke doesn't hand out scholarships to students with 1060 SAT scores. Hell, you might not even be accepted.
Not 1060 out of 2400. Of course not.
However 1060 out of 1600 at that time, if the school believed he was able to attend the university and hang academically, what is your point? He got the scholarship because they believed he could make it at Duke academically while bringing in millions in revenue for their basketball program.
In 2005 (before they changed it to the 2400 scale), for males, the average score for verbal was 513 and the average for math as 538. So yes, he's average. Where did I say there was anything wrong with being average?
Those average scores were flawed by enough retards who lowered the scores down with pulling off 200's out of 800. You do realize if everyone in the United States was as smart as you think they are, the averages would've been much higher. I can point out the data collected about my school to show you what happens to the average SAT score when you remove retards from an academic setting.
Kobe is still smarter than most people walking the street right now.
SinJackal
08-08-2010, 10:32 PM
Kobe isn't average by any means. The average guy doesn't have the education to excel from where he is currently. These guys are flipping burgers at 20 and they are telling people how to flip burgers at 40. Thats average. There are a lot of people like that.
Kobe would be considered one of the smart people in society, there are a lot but not more than the average & dumb ones.
I don't want to get into some argument or anything here, but. . .
If flipping burgers and working at a fast food place for 20 years is "average", then there must not be a "below average" to you must be borderline retardation. Working at Burger King for your whole life is way below average, it's a massive life failure.
About the test score thing. . .
Having a barely 70% scoring average in school is borderline stupidity, it's 10% away from utter failure. Don't you realize that?
And no this has nothing to do with Kobe. Any player who is thought to be "smart" because of average test scores is irritating. Let's pretend Kobe has nothing to do with it, so you don't have bias.
Assume. . . Raja Bell had a 1060 score. Would you consider him smart? Or Dennis Rodman. Or LeBron, or anybody. It's average dude. His GPA would be around 2.00-2.20. Which is crap. Everybody I went to college with had one higher than that, and I wouldn't consider even half of them to be smart.
I do agree with one of your earlier posts where you said by an large most people in the U.S. aren't that bright, but, everybody knows that is largely based on location. I used to go to school in North Chicago, where there was maybe 3-4 smart people in any class I was in (including me), and at least 10 people I would classify as borderline stupid per class. After moving to Lake Villa, the level of intelligence seemed a lot higher in the schools I went to. There was maybe 2-4 people I'd consider dumb in each class maximum, and maybe 5-8 smart people per class, with a much better overall average intelligence.
I don't think the "average" person there would be flipping burgers for their entire life. I consider burger flipping for any age other than as a teen just for money to be a failure. Doing it for life is a catostrophic failure imo.
So really, any time an athlete shows any sign of not being just a meathead, people call them "smart", not just NBA players either. It happens with NFL players too. Some NBA players might be considered "smart" compared to other NBA players, but compared to even people at a community college somewhere, he likely wouldn't stand out at all besides for being really tall.
tpols
08-08-2010, 10:33 PM
False.
If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.
You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.
1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.
a 1320 isn't enough for ivy league.
I got a 700 crit, 640 math, and 630 writing and I only got into rutgers with no scholarship. I knew some kids that got 1400s and one guy with a 1510 that got scholarships at emory and VT but 1300s isn't getting you much money.
Kobe's 1060 is flawed too. The math and crit sections are fully dependable on how much you studied and can be mastered if you get a tutor and memorize all the different types of math problems/vocab words.
When I first took the SATs I got a 620 in crit and a 600 in math. After buying a SAT book and reading it I got a 700 and 630. Studying is how you improve that and the test isnt an indicator of IQ but rather education.
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 10:34 PM
Thats because you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth.
My standards are higher than yours, but I have to work 2x harder than people like you while balancing other things that you couldn't possibly imagine doing at my age.
Oh and now you know ME? I had to work a job in HS just like everyone else. I paid for college with a combination of external scholarships to supplement the academic scholarship I received annually from the university.
Not 1060 out of 2400. Of course not.
However 1060 out of 1600 at that time, if the school believed he was able to attend the university and hang academically, what is your point? He got the scholarship because they believed he could make it at Duke academically while bringing in millions in revenue for their basketball program.
He would not have gotten in there without basketball with a 1060/1600 SAT score. No way. Basketball players getting in universities for basketball only need to achieve the minimum possible score for eligibility (which is absurdly low) to play for that university. You really think they were recruiting Kobe for his mind? Lol.
Those average scores were flawed by enough retards who lowered the scores down with pulling off 200's out of 800. You do realize if everyone in the United States was as smart as you think they are, the averages would've been much higher. I can point out the data collected about my school to show you what happens to the average SAT score when you remove retards from an academic setting.
Kobe is still smarter than most people walking the street right now.
Why would you set random bums as the standard? I set the standard at any random kid that can get into college.
PowerGlove
08-08-2010, 10:36 PM
:oldlol:
We take away a person's best talent and expect them to adjust without a hiccup.
Holy shit. Are we even in the same conversation? I said KOBE BRYANT's GODDAMN SCHOLARSHIP was for basketball. Obviously you have to maintain eligibility like everyone else. Doesn't make you a genius.
I've never once said Kobe Bryant was a genius. Im just saying in comparsion to the average slave in America, he is in fact smarter than most people.
Secondly, His scholarship was for basketball. However to get a Duke scholarship regardless of sport you have to be perceived to maintain academic eligibility at Duke. This isn't a SEC school other than Vanderbilt. You actually have to go to class, be successful in class, and be a model citizen.
Why do you think Duke hesitated for so long before officially offering John Wall a scholarship? Despite Wall being the #1 player in the country, would fill a position of need, and was just 30 minutes down the road. They had to monitor his grades to see if he could hang at Duke, if he would choose them.
I scored a 1320/1600. Well, now therein lies the problem. I had people in my school that were minorities that scored much lower but got into Cornell, UPENN, and some even Harvard. Now because I'm white, I had to go to a state school. Real fair isn't it? I grew up under the same conditions and in the same damn city. I did qualify for a state scholarship, but not a full ride.
Thats due to race quotas. They've tried their best to do away with that system, but it was put in place to ensure minorities to get into Universities to create the belief of a "racially diverse" campus. This is why so many Universities go out of their way to build things for African Americans on campus. I saw Purdue built an African American History Center. Thats comedic because there is no such thing as African American history. That is because African Americans have yet to be officially recognized as creating history outside of being "firsts".
Secondly, I understand your pain. I am capable right now to go to a state school, but I have it worse off than most people and I am unable to get scholarships and funding due to being a minority because they only cover the "top tier".
DixieNourmous
08-08-2010, 10:37 PM
Shaq would be a bone breaker of a bouncer. :lol
New York Knicks
08-08-2010, 10:38 PM
a 1320 isn't enough for ivy league.
I got a 700 crit, 640 math, and 630 writing and I only got into rutgers with no scholarship. I knew some kids that got 1400s and one guy with a 1510 that got scholarships at emory and VT but 1300s isn't getting you much money.
Kobe's 1060 is flawed too. The math and crit sections are fully dependable on how much you studied and can be mastered if you get a tutor and memorize all the different types of math problems/vocab words.
When I first took the SATs I got a 620 in crit and a 600 in math. After buying a SAT book and reading it I got a 700 and 630. Studying is how you improve that and the test isnt an indicator of IQ but rather education.
If we can assume he will convert his enthusiasm for basketball into one for education, then I'd be fine with an assumption that he can improve his scores and get into a major college. But I'm sure Emeka Okafor worked really hard to be an athlete in HS too (I mean he had to be to make the NBA after UCONN right?), but he scored a 1310 on his SATs.
Oh and now you know ME? I had to work a job in HS just like everyone else. I paid for college with a combination of external scholarships to supplement the academic scholarship I received annually from the university.
Thats what I thought.
He would not have gotten in there without basketball with a 1060/1600 SAT score. No way. Basketball players getting in universities for basketball only need to achieve the minimum possible score for eligibility (which is absurdly low) to play for that university. You really think they were recruiting Kobe for his mind? Lol.
Thats true with some schools. However we're talking about Duke. Lets not confuse UNLV with Duke. There is much more challenge to stay eligible at schools like Duke, Stanford, etc. Yes, that counts for basketball players as well. Not to mention Coach K doesn't play anybody who's GPA slips below 3.0.
That was the reason why McRoberts left, Olek Cysz left, and Taylor King left recently despite their prep accomplishments and basketball talent.
Why would you set random bums as the standard? I set the standard at any random kid that can get into college.
Thats because random bums, actually in my opinion "government slaves" are the standard. Do you realize that people like you & eventually me who are capable of getting into a state school are the minority amongst people of our graduating HS class? As I mentioned before, you have a flawed sense of reality that comes from your upbringing. If you grew up in or around poverty and the middle class made up of government slaves you'd be able to understand what I am talking about. People like You, Me & Kobe are above the standard.
tpols
08-08-2010, 10:43 PM
The real thing here is that kobe is a smarter guy than his SATs indicate. SATs are based off of education. If kobe didn't play ball he could have worked at school more. It is pretty obvious from his interviews and segments that he is a very well spoken individual and his killer instinct/ extreme focus combined with his work ethic indicate to me that he could have directed his focus to school work and done very well in a field he was interested in.
L.Kizzle
08-08-2010, 10:45 PM
I like how this thread took a whole different meaning when Kobe got mentioned.
If we can assume he will convert his enthusiasm for basketball into one for education, then I'd be fine with an assumption that he can improve his scores and get into a major college. But I'm sure Emeka Okafor worked really hard to be an athlete in HS too (I mean he had to be to make the NBA after UCONN right?), but he scored a 1310 on his SATs.
Have you ever played HS sports? The work ethic it takes to balance academics & athletic responsibilities is too much for most people. I tried it out but it is even tougher to balance when you have to legally work also.
Thats why guys who are top athletes and put together elite academic portfolios are very rare. Ironically, 3 of those guys are going to be Top 10 picks in the NBA Draft in 2011 in Harrison Barnes, Brandon Knight, & Kyrie Irving.
If Kobe didn't play basketball, who knows how well he'd do academically. Thats often times why the standard is lower for athletes compared to non-athlete students and schools have to go on a case by case iniative to decide who is capable of maintining academic eligibility at their school.
NuggetsFan
08-08-2010, 10:48 PM
Why are people acting like players work ethic would translate from basketball to academics. Who's to say Kobe would apply himself in something like a manager position as he does with basketball.
Most of these players LOVE what they do so all tho it's tiring and hard to constantly be working on your game your still doing something you love. Doubt most of these guys love academics or work the same way they would basketball.
The real thing here is that kobe is a smarter guy than his SATs indicate. SATs are based off of education. If kobe didn't play ball he could have worked at school more. It is pretty obvious from his interviews and segments that he is a very well spoken individual and his killer instinct/ extreme focus combined with his work ethic indicate to me that he could have directed his focus to school work and done very well in a field he was interested in.
I agree. He came from a good family as well as hes never been the type to become a member of the thug/gangsta lifestyle that rejects standard education.
Mirjalovic
08-08-2010, 10:52 PM
Karl Malone = Mail man
Why are people acting like players work ethic would translate from basketball to academics. Who's to say Kobe would apply himself in something like a manager position as he does with basketball.
Most of these players LOVE what they do so all tho it's tiring and hard to constantly be working on your game your still doing something you love. Doubt most of these guys love academics or work the same way they would basketball.
Thats because if you have a great work ethic you can apply it to anything, including academics.
If you don't have a great work ethic and rely solely off the talent you may have at a specific craft, its harder to translate that to other areas.
Seriously when you think about it, name the 10 laziest players in the NBA. Guys with real talent, but are too lazy to work harder to get better. I guarantee none of these guys have a college degree, nor were they good students. Thats because they've never had a good work ethic anyways.
PowerGlove
08-08-2010, 11:01 PM
You dont make the NBA by being lazy.
Stop being stupid.
bballer
08-08-2010, 11:02 PM
Shaq-hobo
QuebecBaller
08-08-2010, 11:02 PM
Karl Malone = Mail man
:oldlol:
You dont make the NBA by being lazy.
Stop being stupid.
Of course not. However there is a point of "satisfaction" that breeds laziness.
Its the same reason why some players sign their big contracts and stop working on their game.
Thats due to race quotas. They've tried their best to do away with that system, but it was put in place to ensure minorities to get into Universities to create the belief of a "racially diverse" campus. This is why so many Universities go out of their way to build things for African Americans on campus. I saw Purdue built an African American History Center. Thats comedic because there is no such thing as African American history. That is because African Americans have yet to be officially recognized as creating history outside of being "firsts".
:lol :wtf: so thats the only reason African Americans get into college
& the bolded part thats just ignorance on steriods :lol
Bandito
08-08-2010, 11:05 PM
Shaq would be a bone breaker of a bouncer. :lol
If I see a 7 foot man with muscles bigger than my head I would be very scared.:lol
PowerGlove
08-08-2010, 11:06 PM
Thats due to race quotas. They've tried their best to do away with that system, but it was put in place to ensure minorities to get into Universities to create the belief of a "racially diverse" campus. This is why so many Universities go out of their way to build things for African Americans on campus. I saw Purdue built an African American History Center. Thats comedic because there is no such thing as African American history. That is because African Americans have yet to be officially recognized as creating history outside of being "firsts".
What?
1~Gibson~1
08-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Sheed - idk
Ron - the magic 8ball tells me that he'd be a janitor or Bus driver.....or both
JR - he has garbage man material
:lol :wtf: so thats the only reason African Americans get into college
& the bolded part thats just ignorance on steriods :lol
Tell me I'm wrong.
Im African American btw.
Dont let these White Americans tell you what is and what isn't African American history. They have instilled a belief into us that the only history we make is being the "first of our race" to do something rather than creating something.
Are you white? Its not surprising that you would find that statement "ignorant" when it doesn't apply to you:rolleyes:
1~Gibson~1
08-08-2010, 11:15 PM
can we turn this into a multi-sport thread because i'd love to see what guys like Tiger, TO and Ocho would be :lol
What?
What is African American history? Being the first guy with black skin to accomplish something hundreds of people have accomplished before you? Yeah thats certainly something incredible. Open up your mind, and stop letting non-African Americans tell you what African American history is.
Im going to be the first black guy to take a shit while being suspended 6 feet in the air, blindfolded, and wearing tube socks. Now write a story about me, thats "Black History".
Tell me I'm wrong.
Im African American btw.
Dont let these White Americans tell you what is and what isn't African American history. They have instilled a belief into us that the only history we make is being the "first of our race" to do something rather than creating something.
Are you white? Its not surprising that you would find that statement "ignorant" when it doesn't apply to you:rolleyes:
No Im not. Im black. I dont just listen to what white people tell me you know... I research and study my own history. I just took a African American history class & we have done more than just be the first ...
What is African American history? Being the first guy with black skin to accomplish something hundreds of people have accomplished before you? Yeah thats certainly something incredible. Open up your mind, and stop letting non-African Americans tell you what African American history is.
Im going to be the first black guy to take a shit while being suspended 6 feet in the air, blindfolded, and wearing tube socks. Now write a story about me, thats "Black History".
No man African American History is about our struggles and triumphs in this country ... Cmon
No Im not. Im black. I dont just listen to what white people tell me you know... I research and study my own history. I just took a African American history class & we have done more than just be the first ...
You do realize that the people who decide what is taught in African American history classes are White?
What have they taught you? :pimp:
You do realize that the people who decide what is taught in African American history classes are White?
What have they taught you? :pimp:
:wtf: Noooo lol what school do you go to?
No man African American History is about our struggles and triumphs in this country ... Cmon
Im sorry that is not History. There was no revolution to define our struggles against oppresion, because our triumph came from being "included" instead of discriminated by our race. Guess what, we're still discriminated against.
What has happened since then? Think about it. Go read up on Malcolm X and what he was fighting for to see how little progress we've made since then.
L.Kizzle
08-08-2010, 11:27 PM
Sheed - idk
Ron - the magic 8ball tells me that he'd be a janitor or Bus driver.....or both
JR - he has garbage man material
Garbage man, JR would easily be a pusher.
tpols
08-08-2010, 11:29 PM
Garbage man, JR would easily be a pusher.
if JR was a pusher he'd be in jail or dead within the first two weeks. Dude is dumb as f!ck.
SinJackal
08-08-2010, 11:30 PM
Im sorry that is not History. There was no revolution to define our struggles against oppresion, because our triumph came from being "included" instead of discriminated by our race. Guess what, we're still discriminated against.
What has happened since then? Think about it. Go read up on Malcolm X and what he was fighting for to see how little progress we've made since then.
I guess the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
I guess all the civil rights movements over the years were pointless and meaningless.
I guess all the racial barriers being broken by courageous people in the mid 1900's didn't mean anything either.
What are you talking about no history?
And please stop about being discriminated against. Everyone is discriminated against in some small way. It is far, far smaller now than it was before. You are acting very spoiled, as if life sucks just as much now for african americans as it did before? Stop it dude. It's not the best it could possibly be, but it's far from bad at this point.
:wtf: Noooo lol what school do you go to?
Im headed to a Community College, and from there to a State school. That way I can start my track of accomplishments to avoid becoming a slave of the government.
Thanks for asking. What school did you attend?
L.Kizzle
08-08-2010, 11:32 PM
if JR was a pusher he'd be in jail or dead within the first two weeks. Dude is dumb as f!ck.
:roll:
Didn't say he'd be a successful one.
Im headed to a Community College, and from there to a State school. That way I can start my track of accomplishments to avoid becoming a slave of the government.
Thanks for asking. What school did you attend?
Im at the University of Southern California.
Fight On!
Heilige
08-08-2010, 11:37 PM
Im headed to a Community College, and from there to a State school. That way I can start my track of accomplishments to avoid becoming a slave of the government.
Thanks for asking. What school did you attend?
What accomplishments do you want to achieve after you are finished with your schooling?
AK47DR91
08-08-2010, 11:38 PM
My white African American Literature teacher in college made us read Frederick Douglass' autobiography, Souls of Black Folk by Du Bois, Invisible Man by Ellison, few works from slave narrative to Harlem Renaissance to the 60's nationalism, etc...
But I guess since he was white he taught us the wrong things about black literature. :rolleyes:
I guess the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
It wasn't. :oldlol:
It was about protecting the Union from the Southern States slowly slipping away. I thought you knew that.
I guess all the civil rights movements over the years were pointless and meaningless.
Movements aren't considered history unless you're an African American. Social movements often go unnoticed, revolutions are what history tends to focus on.
You do realize there was a Social Movement that had been going on for 15-20 years before the Revolutionary War? Nobody talks about that because it isn't significant. The revolution that followed from it was significant. The Civil Rights Movement is not historic because the only accomplishment was to be "included". That is what MLK wanted, that is not what Malcolm X wanted. Dont ask me what a revolution would've looked like, because there was no chance of it happening once blacks got to sit in the front of the bus, and could go to school with whites. They gave us Welfare, and now the 3rd generations of those people are slaves to the government.
I guess all the racial barriers being broken by courageous people in the mid 1900's didn't mean anything either.
Who was the first Asian to refuse to give up his seat? They had to sit in the back of the bus too.
Who was the first Indian to attend a 4 year university? Some tribes weren't even documented as citizens of the United States until the 1900's.
Dont waste your time, you dont know these. Thats because African Americans are the only race of people where our history is documented based upon being the "first" of us to do something. Its pathetic, but our people truly believe that history comes with being the first of our race to accomplish something everyone else has. What successful companies have we created and not sold away for money? What inventions have we been credited for falsely? George Washington Carver didn't invent Peanut Butter, however he invented hundreds of other uses of Peanuts and none of them are used today.
What accomplishments do you want to achieve after you are finished with your schooling?
Too many to name. However I am not sure of how many I actually will be able to accomplish in this lifetime.
My white African American Literature teacher in college made us read Frederick Douglass' autobiography, Souls of Black Folk by Du Bois, Invisible Man by Ellison, few works from slave narrative to Harlem Renaissance to the 60's nationalism, etc...
But I guess since he was white he taught us the wrong things about black literature. :rolleyes:
:facepalm First time I've used this.
There is a difference between Black Literature and Black History.
Lets talk about History that relates to you.
Harry Potter by JK Rowling & The Bill of Rights are 2 entirely different things.
tpols
08-08-2010, 11:49 PM
It wasn't. :oldlol:
It was about protecting the Union from the Southern States slowly slipping away. I thought you knew that.
Movements aren't considered history unless you're an African American. Social movements often go unnoticed, revolutions are what history tends to focus on.
You do realize there was a Social Movement that had been going on for 15-20 years before the Revolutionary War? Nobody talks about that because it isn't significant. The revolution that followed from it was significant. The Civil Rights Movement is not historic because the only accomplishment was to be "included". That is what MLK wanted, that is not what Malcolm X wanted. Dont ask me what a revolution would've looked like, because there was no chance of it happening once blacks got to sit in the front of the bus, and could go to school with whites. They gave us Welfare, and now the 3rd generations of those people are slaves to the government.
Who was the first Asian to refuse to give up his seat? They had to sit in the back of the bus too.
Who was the first Indian to attend a 4 year university? Some tribes weren't even documented as citizens of the United States until the 1900's.
Dont waste your time, you dont know these. Thats because African Americans are the only race of people where our history is documented based upon being the "first" of us to do something. Its pathetic, but our people truly believe that history comes with being the first of our race to accomplish something everyone else has. What successful companies have we created and not sold away for money? What inventions have we been credited for falsely? George Washington Carver didn't invent Peanut Butter, however he invented hundreds of other uses of Peanuts and none of them are used today.
so what?
There are plenty of 'first to do x' for women too. Does that make women history pathetic? (no, but it is annoying as f!ck:lol )
RazorBaLade
08-08-2010, 11:51 PM
whats a 1000 sat score compared to now? i got 1500 a couple months ago but dont kno what the max was
so what?
There are plenty of 'first to do x' for women too. Does that make women history pathetic? (no, but it is annoying as f!ck:lol )
There is no such thing as Women's History just like there is no such thing as Men's History. How can you define what constitutes as history amongst a sex? Thats like defining history for people based upon height.
History often times relates to groups of people and their accomplishments. This can be anything you can think of as a group not just limited to race, religion, country, etc.
SinJackal
08-08-2010, 11:53 PM
It wasn't. :oldlol:
It was about protecting the Union from the Southern States slowly slipping away. I thought you knew that.
Movements aren't considered history unless you're an African American. Social movements often go unnoticed, revolutions are what history tends to focus on.
You do realize there was a Social Movement that had been going on for 15-20 years before the Revolutionary War? Nobody talks about that because it isn't significant. The revolution that followed from it was significant. The Civil Rights Movement is not historic because the only accomplishment was to be "included". That is what MLK wanted, that is not what Malcolm X wanted. Dont ask me what a revolution would've looked like, because there was no chance of it happening once blacks got to sit in the front of the bus, and could go to school with whites. They gave us Welfare, and now the 3rd generations of those people are slaves to the government.
Who was the first Asian to refuse to give up his seat? They had to sit in the back of the bus too.
Who was the first Indian to attend a 4 year university? Some tribes weren't even documented as citizens of the United States until the 1900's.
Dont waste your time, you dont know these. Thats because African Americans are the only race of people where our history is documented based upon being the "first" of us to do something. Its pathetic, but our people truly believe that history comes with being the first of our race to accomplish something everyone else has. What successful companies have we created and not sold away for money? What inventions have we been credited for falsely? George Washington Carver didn't invent Peanut Butter, however he invented hundreds of other uses of Peanuts and none of them are used today.
I'm not going to debate about the shitty treatment of native americans, since I'm 1/3rd Cherokee. I know how shitty it's been. And I do know about the first "indian" (A term I don't like), to attend a university. Actually, there was a movie about it that HBO made recently.
As for "slaves to the government", everyone is dude. Houses cost too much for most people. My parents made tons of money with their jobs, and yet never fully owned a house in their whole life even now. Citizens here have to keep working for nearly their entire lives to finally not have to pay the ridiculously high expenses of living a non shitty life. Even most white people have this problem. It goes beyond race.
I don't want to get into some big debate about this, but you are being very narrow-minded here man.
whats a 1000 sat score compared to now? i got 1500 a couple months ago but dont kno what the max was
The max is 2400 to me the ACT is easier
Heilige
08-08-2010, 11:55 PM
Thats irrelevant. Kobe had full scholarship rides to numerous universities, including Duke, where he claims he would've gone to. You can't just enroll at a "State school", you have to be accepted and met the standards to attend the school. Then you have to factor in other important things like community service. They aren't Community Colleges. There is a huge drop off between the people who can be accepted into a State school and those destined for 2 years at a Community College/Junior College.
He is smart in the grand scheme of things. Do you honestly believe the majority of people in the United States are well educated and even capable of pulling off a 1060 out of 1600 on their SAT? Dont let your suburban preppy childhood flaw reality. I'd say 2/3 of people in the United States aren't educated, aren't skilled, and are destined to become slaves of the 9-5 grind due to it. Kobe in comparisons with the retards walking around in the NBA, but he is very smart in comparison to everyone else walking around in this country.
What is wrong with working 9-5? What type of career do you plan to have?
tpols
08-08-2010, 11:56 PM
There is no such thing as Women's History just like there is no such thing as Men's History. How can you define what constitutes as history amongst a sex? Thats like defining history for people based upon height.
History often times relates to groups of people and their accomplishments. This can be anything you can think of as a group not just limited to race, religion, country, etc.
what? have you ever heard of feminists? They dedicate whole careers to women's history in this country. I could pull up about 30 classes from rutgers that pertain.
RazorBaLade
08-08-2010, 11:57 PM
The max is 2400 to me the ACT is easier
srsly damn i got pooped on.
so what?
Just to give you time to think.
How many "firsts" can you name for Whites? Lets be specific so you dont have to use Wikipedia or start googling to figure out who was the first white person to do certain things.
Who was the frist White American to run for President of the United States?
Im sure you can name the first African American to run for President of the United States, Frederick Douglas. Thats because they teach us that every February.
Hint: It was not George Washington.
LBJ_MVP09
08-08-2010, 11:58 PM
Rowe obviously has NO idea how the world really works. 1060 is AVERAGE bro. I got a 1250 on my SAT and had a 3.2 and i was not accepted straight into a University, I had to goto a community college first. The losers at my public highschool scored like a 900 on the SAT.
AK47DR91
08-09-2010, 12:00 AM
:facepalm First time I've used this.
There is a difference between Black Literature and Black History.
Lets talk about History that relates to you.
Harry Potter by JK Rowling & The Bill of Rights are 2 entirely different things.
Doesn't make a difference, you were saying whites will teach you what you want to be taught. So I guess Douglass' autobiography is re-written through a white propaganda view. :rolleyes:
I think you're being brainwashed by one of their so-called community leaders.
RazorBaLade
08-09-2010, 12:01 AM
Just to give you time to think.
How many "firsts" can you name for Whites? Lets be specific so you dont have to use Wikipedia or start googling to figure out who was the first white person to do certain things.
Who was the frist White American to run for President of the United States?
Im sure you can name the first African American to run for President of the United States, Frederick Douglas. Thats because they teach us that every February.
Hint: It was not George Washington.
I am having trouble figuring out what you are arguing about, are you upset that teachers feel it is a good idea for everyone to be educated about previously oppressed sets of people (black/women)?
Heilige
08-09-2010, 12:02 AM
False.
If they dont believe you can hang academically then you're not getting a scholarship offer from a school. Thats because they know you wont be able to stay eligible. Take a look at football teams, the academic casualties of guys who they "think" can stay eligible is noticeable. Transfers are very common.
You scored a 1320 out of 1600? Unless you're pulling my leg with this, that would be good enough to get you into a Ivy League school at the time mixed in with good community service. That translates in todays times to a 1980 out of 2400. That makes you Ivy League eligible. Or did you score a 1320 out of 2400? I scored a 1640 out of 2400 and am now headed to Community College for 2 years because my family can't financially cover a 4 year scholarship to a State school right now.
1060 out of 1600 is very smart. That translates to a 1590 out of 2400, and yes that is good enough to get you into a State school. That is something most people can't say they can do.
1980 out of 2400 doesn't make you Ivy League eligible.
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/sat_side_x_side.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_SAT_score_of_Ivy_League_studen ts
1590 out of 2400 is a little over average. That is about 61st percentile in the general population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT
srsly damn i got pooped on.
Take the ACT to me it was easier to study for & take. Only 4 sections plus writing. The SAT has 8 sections + writing I think. Most colleges take both ...
1980 out of 2400 doesn't make you Ivy League eligible.
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/sat_side_x_side.htm
1590 out of 2400 is a little over average. That is about 61st percentile in the general population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT
2400 out of 2400 doesnt mean your defintely getting in. There's no way to predict it...
RazorBaLade
08-09-2010, 12:04 AM
Take the ACT to me it was easier to study for & take. Only 4 sections plus writing. The SAT has 8 sections + writing I think. Most colleges take both ...
It doesn't really matter, I was only applying to one university so I studied accordingly. Aka didn't study at all, didn't even know I had to take the SATs like 3 weeks prior to the test and had about 2 hrs total with a math tutor thats all. I did get accepted though.
PS: and yes the size of the SAT is ridiculous, no person should be required to think that long. It's not gonna be an accurate representation of the persons knowledge because after 4 hours it's just hmmm whats the answer to oh shit did I leave my xbox on it might be b hmmm man I can't wait to get home and sleep etc
what? have you ever heard of feminists? They dedicate whole careers to women's history in this country. I could pull up about 30 classes from rutgers that pertain.
I know that. See you're shocked because I am not acknowledging things that you've been fooled to believe exist, when in fact they were simply just created by White men for the sake of "including" African Americans & Women. The two biggest social movements post-Revolutionary War.
Women's history is defined by "firsts". Quick. Name me 5 inventions created by a woman. Quick. Name me 5 organizations founded by a woman.
I'll wait while you Google. I dont know either, thats because they dont consider that Women's History, which is exactly what they teach us all. Women's History is the first women to do something tens, hundreds, if not thousands of men have done before them. Same applies to African Americans. That is often times while White women tend to understand the plight of African Americans more so than White men, ever wondered why most teachers in Inner City schools are white women?
tpols
08-09-2010, 12:07 AM
Just to give you time to think.
How many "firsts" can you name for Whites? Lets be specific so you dont have to use Wikipedia or start googling to figure out who was the first white person to do certain things.
Who was the frist White American to run for President of the United States?
Im sure you can name the first African American to run for President of the United States, Frederick Douglas. Thats because they teach us that every February.
Hint: It was not George Washington.
White people founded and ran this country. We're the first for everything here and given that the caucasian european countries were the ones to discover and take over the new world, they deserve it. Don't bring up native americans either because they were light years behind the europeans in technology and they got f!cked over by being extremely susceptible to their diseases. The more dominant civilizations always take over and replace the weaker ones.
tpols
08-09-2010, 12:08 AM
I know that. See you're shocked because I am not acknowledging things that you've been fooled to believe exist, when in fact they were simply just created by White men for the sake of "including" African Americans & Women. The two biggest social movements post-Revolutionary War.
Women's history is defined by "firsts". Quick. Name me 5 inventions created by a woman. Quick. Name me 5 organizations founded by a woman.
I'll wait while you Google. I dont know either, thats because they dont consider that Women's History, which is exactly what they teach us all. Women's History is the first women to do something tens, hundreds, if not thousands of men have done before them. Same applies to African Americans. That is often times while White women tend to understand the plight of African Americans more so than White men, ever wondered why most teachers in Inner City schools are white women?
I'm not going to name anything for any group. Black or women, because I don't give a sh!t about their histories. They are what they are and they all have a chance to make it if they want to.
White people founded and ran this country. We're the first for everything here and given that the caucasian european countries were the ones to discover and take over the new world, they deserve it. Don't bring up native americans either because they were light years behind the europeans in technology and they got f!cked over by being extremely susceptible to their diseases. The more dominant civilizations always take over and replace the weaker ones.
Do white people really think like this???? :lol
Heilige
08-09-2010, 12:10 AM
2400 out of 2400 doesnt mean your defintely getting in. There's no way to predict it...
Exactly. There are people who get 2400 and some of them don't get in...
PowerGlove
08-09-2010, 12:15 AM
So much garbage in this thread.
1987_Lakers
08-09-2010, 12:16 AM
Allen Iverson - Living in a garbage can.
tpols
08-09-2010, 12:17 AM
Do white people really think like this???? :lol
what? He's telling me to name white peoples 'firsts' in this country. But this country was founded by white people. Isn't it obvious that the race of people who found and are a huge majority in a country are going to be the 'first' to do certain things in that country? They controlled the land, wealth, and government. What do you expect?
RazorBaLade
08-09-2010, 12:23 AM
what? He's telling me to name white peoples 'firsts' in this country. But this country was founded by white people. Isn't it obvious that the race of people who found and are a huge majority in a country are going to be the 'first' to do certain things in that country? They controlled the land, wealth, and government. What do you expect?
I'm pretty sure all he's saying is that instead of america/teachers in general talking about what the blacks and women in general have brought to themselves and to everyone, but they only educate about what the first african american and the first woman have done in an attempt to say "You guys were nothing until we realized you had no history/achievements and started keeping track of it ourselves post-taking advantage of you"
I may be wrong, but that's what I think. No one cares about white peoples firsts because we have been established as a race since ever, but the lowly blacks and women have only started doing things recently.
And to that I say, No. Every type of human has been a slave for another on Earth at some point and ignored the achievements of the people enslaved until they were 'freed'. It's not some only black thing.
what? He's telling me to name white peoples 'firsts' in this country. But this country was founded by white people. Isn't it obvious that the race of people who found and are a huge majority in a country are going to be the 'first' to do certain things in that country? They controlled the land, wealth, and government. What do you expect?
No you said
I'm not going to name anything for any group. Black or women, because I don't give a sh!t about their histories. They are what they are and they all have a chance to make it if they want to.
&
White people founded and ran this country. We're the first for everything here and given that the caucasian european countries were the ones to discover and take over the new world, they deserve it. Don't bring up native americans either because they were light years behind the europeans in technology and they got f!cked over by being extremely susceptible to their diseases. The more dominant civilizations always take over and replace the weaker ones.
but its ok :rolleyes:
AznTacoLover
08-09-2010, 12:32 AM
So much garbage in this thread.
+1 another thread ruined. :cry:
tpols
08-09-2010, 12:38 AM
No you said
&
but its ok :rolleyes:
So I said I don't care about african american and women's history and said white people founded this country? Well the first two are opinions that aren't meant to mean I don't like said groups; it's just that I don't find that history interesting (I don't like history as a subject to tell you the truth). And the latter is a fact. In no way did my first statement contradict the last two if thats what you were going for so:confusedshrug:
RoseCity07
08-09-2010, 12:40 AM
Oden wanted to be a dentist. Probably could have been a pornstar though, no homo.
nbacardDOTnet
08-09-2010, 12:41 AM
Shaq: Cop
Paul Pierce: C-Movie Actor
Shawn Kemp: Porn Star
Jerry Stackhouse: Singer
Kareem: Author
Not Kidding, as I heard, Sir Charles said he would be "Porn Star" if he didn't play BB.
IMO, GP might be a comedian if he didn't play BB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uqQtui0330
So I said I don't care about african american and women's history and said white people founded this country? Well the first two are opinions that aren't meant to mean I don't like said groups; it's just that I don't find that history interesting (I don't like history as a subject to tell you the truth). And the latter is a fact. In no way did my first statement contradict the last two if thats what you were going for so:confusedshrug:
It just came off a little rude but if it wasnt meant that way then its cool.
tpols
08-09-2010, 12:45 AM
It just came off a little rude but if it wasnt meant that way then its cool.
yea sry if it sounded bad
Lemon
08-09-2010, 02:17 AM
kobe would be in jail for rape
Go Getter
08-09-2010, 02:34 AM
So much wrong with this thread.....:facepalm
Go Getter
08-09-2010, 02:35 AM
All of them would be picking cotton. JUST KIDDING!
**** you chump.
I don't care if you were kidding or not.
rawimpact
08-09-2010, 02:45 AM
1280 on 1600 scale can get you into a ivy league college as long as everything else is top notch.
1280 on 1600 scale can get you into a ivy league college as long as everything else is top notch.
:no:
rawimpact
08-09-2010, 02:48 AM
:no:
Yes... and im living proof.
Yes... and im living proof.
Well you're an exception ... but thats def not the case I know plenty people with great stats who havent got in.
EDIT: Congrats though I like hearing those kind of stories
rawimpact
08-09-2010, 02:51 AM
Well you're an exception ... but thats def not the case I know plenty people with great stats who havent got in.
have not or did not?
hmm... i think i've caught on.
tpols
08-09-2010, 02:51 AM
Yes... and im living proof.
I got a 1340 and am going to rutgers.
Its called money. You have it and I dont.
have not or did not?
hmm... i think i've caught on.
:wtf: dont get it
rawimpact
08-09-2010, 02:53 AM
I got a 1340 and am going to rutgers.
Its called money. You have it and I dont.
What are you implying?
JP275
08-09-2010, 02:56 AM
I could see Kareem being an English professor. I saw on a 30 for 30 special that he used to talk literature with his coaches (westhead i think?), and he got his degree in college. Duncan would be a swimmer
rawimpact
08-09-2010, 02:56 AM
:wtf: dont get it
You can't compare current applicants to those in the past. Some schools become more or less competitive. Although it was pretty tough even back then, i'm just saying it was possible to get in with the score i had.
You can't compare current applicants to those in the past. Some schools become more or less competitive. Although it was pretty tough even back then, i'm just saying it was possible to get in with the score i had.
OHH well I always though Ivy's were hard to get into. I dont if you saw my other post but I said congrats ...
godofgods
08-09-2010, 03:06 AM
Shaq = burger flipper for Burger King.
brantonli
08-09-2010, 03:09 AM
1980 out of 2400 doesn't make you Ivy League eligible.
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/sat_side_x_side.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_SAT_score_of_Ivy_League_studen ts
1590 out of 2400 is a little over average. That is about 61st percentile in the general population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT
Lol, I got 2110 and one of my friends mum said, "Oh dear, that's not very good is it?'
but on topic, I think Shane Battier would be President of the United States, he'd embarrass Obama on the court any day. McGrady would work in decent companies all his career, and yet for some reason will never get promoted.
DonD13
08-09-2010, 03:16 AM
Denis Rodman - professional wrestler :rockon:
Greg Oden - a normal farmer
Yao Ming - freak in a circus
Gilber Arenas - the dude who's telling how big he will make it in Hollywood soon and never realizes that he's just another bum
Kevin Garnett - personel trainer
Dirk Nowitzki - sales clerk
Rajon Rondo - car thief
Michael Beasley - hairdresser
Shaq - yes, definitely a bouncer
Ron Artest - voodoo priest
Yoakim Noah - horse whisperer
New York Knicks
08-09-2010, 04:36 AM
I got a 1340 and am going to rutgers.
Its called money. You have it and I dont.
That or he's a minority. Minorities can get into ivy league schools with much lower scores.
B-Easy8
08-09-2010, 06:45 AM
Denis Rodman - professional wrestler :rockon:
Greg Oden - a normal farmer
Yao Ming - freak in a circus
Gilber Arenas - the dude who's telling how big he will make it in Hollywood soon and never realizes that he's just another bum
Kevin Garnett - personel trainer
Dirk Nowitzki - sales clerk
Rajon Rondo - car thief
Michael Beasley - hairdresser
Shaq - yes, definitely a bouncer
Ron Artest - voodoo priest
Yoakim Noah - horse whisperer
:roll: :roll: :roll:
beermonsteroo
08-09-2010, 06:57 AM
Kobe would be in prison for raping.
At least 20 % of the current players would be in jail. 5 % on death row.
sipitri
08-09-2010, 07:20 AM
Belinelli: Silvester Stallone backup
http://www.davidyu.com/weekday/2008/images/belinelli.gif
vapid
08-09-2010, 07:26 AM
Lol, I got 2110 and one of my friends mum said, "Oh dear, that's not very good is it?'
but on topic, I think Shane Battier would be President of the United States, he'd embarrass Obama on the court any day. McGrady would work in decent companies all his career, and yet for some reason will never get promoted.
Thats because you're asian. :oldlol:
Bodhi
08-09-2010, 07:58 AM
Why would you use SATs to guess how smart a professional athlete is? If it weren't for sports they would have a lot more time to study if that's what they want to do.
WADE MONEY
08-09-2010, 08:59 AM
a 1320 isn't enough for ivy league.
I got a 700 crit, 640 math, and 630 writing and I only got into rutgers with no scholarship. I knew some kids that got 1400s and one guy with a 1510 that got scholarships at emory and VT but 1300s isn't getting you much money.
Kobe's 1060 is flawed too. The math and crit sections are fully dependable on how much you studied and can be mastered if you get a tutor and memorize all the different types of math problems/vocab words.
When I first took the SATs I got a 620 in crit and a 600 in math. After buying a SAT book and reading it I got a 700 and 630. Studying is how you improve that and the test isnt an indicator of IQ but rather education.
i agree. Funny you should mention Rutgers, because I got a 780 math, 780 verbal, and 800 writing (back when writing was an SAT 2) and got into Rutgers only (got rejected from ivies and MIT/Stanford). Fortunately, right now i'm doing a PhD at MIT.
So basically the lesson here is ivies don't care if you get perfect scores on SAT. it's other things that distinguish you. Scoring above a certain reasonable cutoff (like 2000 or something, is almost equivalent to scoring near perfect)
Basketman
08-09-2010, 09:28 AM
i agree. Funny you should mention Rutgers, because I got a 780 math, 780 verbal, and 800 writing (back when writing was an SAT 2) and got into Rutgers only (got rejected from ivies and MIT/Stanford). Fortunately, right now i'm doing a PhD at MIT.
So basically the lesson here is ivies don't care if you get perfect scores on SAT. it's other things that distinguish you. Scoring above a certain reasonable cutoff (like 2000 or something, is almost equivalent to scoring near perfect)
What other schools did you apply to?
Toizumi
08-09-2010, 09:32 AM
Tyreke Evans: Racecar driver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TD2iDfmlXk):rockon:
Rondo: Pro Rollerskater
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/03/23/1206323043_8913/539w.jpg
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 09:42 AM
I got a 1520/1600 and a 2260/2400 on the SATs... and a 34/36 on the ACTs....
Rejected from every ivy and MIT except Cornell and got waitlisted at Duke.
lukekarts
08-09-2010, 09:44 AM
I'll do Miami.
Dwyane Wade - Fashion Model
Chris Bosh - Apple Store salesman (he is a geek, if you read his twitter)
LeBron James - Theme Park security guard
Udonis Haslem - factory worker
code green
08-09-2010, 09:48 AM
Rowe obviously has NO idea how the world really works. 1060 is AVERAGE bro. I got a 1250 on my SAT and had a 3.2 and i was not accepted straight into a University, I had to goto a community college first. The losers at my public highschool scored like a 900 on the SAT.
Same exact situation as you. 1260 and a high B average, and had to start off at a small state college.
Mamba
08-09-2010, 11:07 AM
I'll do Miami.
Dwyane Wade - Fashion Model
Chris Bosh - Apple Store salesman (he is a geek, if you read his twitter)
LeBron James - Theme Park security guard
Udonis Haslem - factory worker
dwayne wade would be in the UFC for some reason. he just seems like the type that can take a beating, and possibly give one out too.
also ben wallace would **** people up in the UFC if he trained that instead of basketball.
DJ Mbenga- head hunter
Steve Nash - would work for the EPA or some sort of ecological group
Glen Davis- Shrek at Disneyland
Yao Ming- Chinese circus
I'm pretty sure all he's saying is that instead of america/teachers in general talking about what the blacks and women in general have brought to themselves and to everyone, but they only educate about what the first african american and the first woman have done in an attempt to say "You guys were nothing until we realized you had no history/achievements and started keeping track of it ourselves post-taking advantage of you"
I may be wrong, but that's what I think. No one cares about white peoples firsts because we have been established as a race since ever, but the lowly blacks and women have only started doing things recently.
Your right on the first part. White people have been established as a race just as long as Blacks. However they only will teach you history that has happened in the last 100 years, and African American history is reduced to "first" this and "first" that.
They dont acknowledge any history that existed in Africa. Im sure if anyone has taken a African American History Class you've learned of the 3 African Empires.
And to that I say, No. Every type of human has been a slave for another on Earth at some point and ignored the achievements of the people enslaved until they were 'freed'. It's not some only black thing.
Nope. Learn your history the longest enslavement of a people came through the Slave Trade in Africa, in which millions of Africans were enslaved due to the color of their skin. Your idea of slavery relates to caste systems which existed in Asia & Europe, in which poor people would remain poor workers for the rich. They however were not slaves. Im sure you took History and know the difference between a slave and an indentured servant?
I'm not going to debate about the shitty treatment of native americans, since I'm 1/3rd Cherokee. I know how shitty it's been. And I do know about the first "indian" (A term I don't like), to attend a university. Actually, there was a movie about it that HBO made recently.
What movie? Link? I guarantee you it is filled with historical inaccuracies and exaggerations like most movies are made out of.
As for "slaves to the government", everyone is dude. Houses cost too much for most people. My parents made tons of money with their jobs, and yet never fully owned a house in their whole life even now. Citizens here have to keep working for nearly their entire lives to finally not have to pay the ridiculously high expenses of living a non shitty life. Even most white people have this problem. It goes beyond race.
It doesn't go beyond race. You do realize there are people who aren't "slaves to the government" because they have money, power, respect. That wasn't a term created by The Lox. That term relates to the select group of people who represent most of America's wealth. Im forgetting the number but its something to the tune of 1% of the population holds 90% of America's wealth.
If you dont think it goes beyond race. Why is 1/3 of African Americans in this country on welfare? Why is 1/4 of African American Males currently in Prison or has a Criminal Record? This is how you become a slave to the government.
What happened to your people? They moved your people into reservations away from society. Now the only Native Americans you'll find in places with large populations are people like yourself and others who claim 1/5 or 1/8 Native American heritage. People like that go out of their way to try to say they in fact are Native American but most of the time don't respect not understand the traditions of your people. Your people are living in land reservations. The same ones slightly larger where they observe wildlife.
It doesn't go beyond race. What White people do you know living on land reservations built to house their race?
Doesn't make a difference, you were saying whites will teach you what you want to be taught. So I guess Douglass' autobiography is re-written through a white propaganda view. :rolleyes:
You're talking about literature. How many other autobiography's have you read? :oldlol: Autobiography's dont reflect history, they speak of history while telling a tale.
Now that leads to something else. Try to write an autobiography and see how far you make it before you have to start exaggerating stories to make it interesting.
I think you're being brainwashed by one of their so-called community leaders.
Not at all.
I'm being particularly mild in comparison to the stuff I read up on. I'll recommend you some books written by respected leaders of the Nation of Islam as well as several current/former Black Panther Party members.
This is the stuff that "so-called community leaders" dont want people to believe because it harms their interests financially.
boozehound
08-09-2010, 12:34 PM
so everyone that doesn't go to an ivy league has low standards? What spoiled family are you from bro? Not everyone has the money for it and 99% of people don't have the IQ or work ethic to get a full ride to a top college.
There have been many successful people coming out of regular colleges and a lot who never went to college at all. SMH at the guy who spends 10 hours a day on a message board saying people that go to state colleges are underachievers in life. Irony at its finest.
his point was that scoring 1000 on the SAT (old system) is not that impressive. Its basically average or maybe slightly below average. Nothing wrong with going to a decent state school and taking advantage of your opportunities there, but thats not what he meant.
Mentally_Pretty
08-09-2010, 01:16 PM
Yeah, but "smart" for athletes is different from "smart" for the average person. Like people thought Kobe was a genius for scoring over 1000 (1060?) on his SATs, but without sports, that's only good enough to get you into a state school with no scholarship.
look at this old Carlton Bank looking ass n1gga.fukkoutta here with you Charles Barkley agenda b1tch.
Bandito
08-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Lebron James=> http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSq2Yqi-oJf1qoyWXW1YnTHGMYpbITTaVJM8CTJ1-p599ADXMs&t=1&usg=__FEONXF4fnLJfUObOU66RQAv9wA0=
The_Yearning
08-09-2010, 01:33 PM
I got a 1520/1600 and a 2260/2400 on the SATs... and a 34/36 on the ACTs....
Rejected from every ivy and MIT except Cornell and got waitlisted at Duke.
Lol
tpols
08-09-2010, 01:34 PM
You're talking about literature. How many other autobiography's have you read? :oldlol: Autobiography's dont reflect history, they speak of history while telling a tale.
Now that leads to something else. Try to write an autobiography and see how far you make it before you have to start exaggerating stories to make it interesting.
Not at all.
I'm being particularly mild in comparison to the stuff I read up on. I'll recommend you some books written by respected leaders of the Nation of Islam as well as several current/former Black Panther Party members.
This is the stuff that "so-called community leaders" dont want people to believe because it harms their interests financially.
So what if autobiographies are a little exxagerative? You think the black panther anti-white propaganda is any less exxagerative? You're being brainwashed by a group of people who funnel their theories and free speech through hate. The election of Barack Obama should tell you enough about how white people think of black people nowadays. They elected a black man to run the country. If you were to read a black panther scripture, however, you would think we were in 1700 South Carolina.
tpols
08-09-2010, 01:45 PM
What movie? Link? I guarantee you it is filled with historical inaccuracies and exaggerations like most movies are made out of.
It doesn't go beyond race. You do realize there are people who aren't "slaves to the government" because they have money, power, respect. That wasn't a term created by The Lox. That term relates to the select group of people who represent most of America's wealth. Im forgetting the number but its something to the tune of 1% of the population holds 90% of America's wealth.
If you dont think it goes beyond race. Why is 1/3 of African Americans in this country on welfare? Why is 1/4 of African American Males currently in Prison or has a Criminal Record? This is how you become a slave to the government.
What happened to your people? They moved your people into reservations away from society. Now the only Native Americans you'll find in places with large populations are people like yourself and others who claim 1/5 or 1/8 Native American heritage. People like that go out of their way to try to say they in fact are Native American but most of the time don't respect not understand the traditions of your people. Your people are living in land reservations. The same ones slightly larger where they observe wildlife.
It doesn't go beyond race. What White people do you know living on land reservations built to house their race?
You've been listening to too much mutulu man.
African Americans go to jail more often because they think the only way to make money is to sell drugs.
A black panther member will tell you white people purposely put drugs into the black communities to destroy them. They have no evidence for this though and drugs were brought in by south americans and your OWN people too. Frank Lucas flew countless numbers of kilos of heroin from asia into NYC. Is this the white man's fault?:facepalm
African americans today actually get into colleges and acquire jobs easier than other races through affirmative action. They have the opportunities to make it. But most follow the wrong lifestyle. With the amount of media and internet exposure today you can be sure that kids growing up in the ghetto know there are alternatives to gang banging and know the socially acceptable way to make money.
Blaming the system gets you nowhere. Anyone can make it through it if they try. Do some people have to try harder than others? Yes. But what the f!ck does that mean? Is that a reason to throw in the towel? Go over to the homeland and see how much harder it is to make it there compared to here.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 01:59 PM
Lol
Still got into a bunch of good ones -
Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Michigan, UChicago, UNC, NYU.....
gleden
08-09-2010, 02:14 PM
Bosh would probably be a movie director/actor/comedian/webdesigner/ or a moderator in some forum lol
So what if autobiographies are a little exxagerative? You think the black panther anti-white propaganda is any less exxagerative? You're being brainwashed by a group of people who funnel their theories and free speech through hate. The election of Barack Obama should tell you enough about how white people think of black people nowadays. They elected a black man to run the country. If you were to read a black panther scripture, however, you would think we were in 1700 South Carolina.
:oldlol:
Black Panther's aren't anti-White at all. They were considered racists in order for people to downplay their message as being hate, there message talks about the injustices that exist in which people aren't being told about. This relates to any race, often times in the United States those injustices are created by Whites.
Simple Jack
08-09-2010, 02:34 PM
Greg Oden - Gregarious... Supposedly excelled in school, he seems wise beyond his years. I'm sure he could've been a likable principal or something of that ilk.
http://media.kval.com/images/012610_greg_oden.jpg
tpols
08-09-2010, 02:41 PM
:oldlol:
Black Panther's aren't anti-White at all. They were considered racists in order for people to downplay their message as being hate, there message talks about the injustices that exist in which people aren't being told about. This relates to any race, often times in the United States those injustices are created by Whites.
:confusedshrug:
You've been listening to too much mutulu man.
Nope.
African Americans go to jail more often because they think the only way to make money is to sell drugs.
False.
African Americans go to jail more often because they aren't educated nor skilled when they are in the lower class. Drugs aren't the only way people make money. The "working class" African Americans of yesteryear were educated at schools for African Americans due to segregation, and thus rose above their White counterparts. Today most inner city schools are populated by at least 90% African Americans and the education and skills taught are minimal. Thus, most stop attending school and head out into the work force with nothing to show for themselves. This is where the government comes in. They allow African Americans to sustain themselves by giving them social services, which doesn't have intentions on getting them educated or skilled. The end result has created generational welfare where people rely solely on the government to meet their basic needs.
A black panther member will tell you white people purposely put drugs into the black communities to destroy them. They have no evidence for this though and drugs were brought in by south americans and your OWN people too. Frank Lucas flew countless numbers of kilos of heroin from asia into NYC. Is this the white man's fault?:facepalm
Thats bullshit. :oldlol: The center of drug activity shifted into inner city Black communities as they migrated from the south, when ironically most drug users are in fact Whites from the suburbs.
Oliver North & the Iran
:confusedshrug:
You dont understand. If the hatred was for Whites, then the Black Panther Party would be on the same level as maybe the KKK for example. The KKK preaches hatred against other races, its very simple. They aren't focused on any injustices, they are focused on trying to disable any progress a minority makes.
The Black Panther Party preaches against injustices. The intentions is not against Whites at all, if you dont know there were plenty Whites during the 60's and 70's which housed meetings & helped fund their events. The Black Panthers were not different than any other group of White people who hate the injustices they see. You've seen plenty stories of Whites protesting various injustices, its the same goal in mind that the Black Panthers had. It just so happens that most of these injustices are created by White men.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 02:57 PM
False.
Affirmative action doesn't exist anymore. It was a concept put in place to help African Americans when they finally got into "White" schools and were looking to start a career. Thats because most businesses didn't want to even consider hiring an African American at that time. That is why there are numerous stories of how African Americans with college degrees ended up working in factories alongside uneducated African Americans and Whites.
Don't know in regards to employment, but as far as affirmative action is concerned, it is very much in existence when dealing with college/grad school.
From personal experience, I know of MANY blacks who were in all honesty, significantly less qualified both academic and resume-wise to other students that I knew, yet they got into more esteemed universities/graduate schools than their more qualified counterparts (white and Asian). It's not even as though they had comparable resumes either, affirmative action is a huge advantage for ethnic minorities (particularly blacks, Latinos, Native Americans) as far as the education system goes.
So what if autobiographies are a little exxagerative? You think the black panther anti-white propaganda is any less exxagerative? You're being brainwashed by a group of people who funnel their theories and free speech through hate. The election of Barack Obama should tell you enough about how white people think of black people nowadays. They elected a black man to run the country. If you were to read a black panther scripture, however, you would think we were in 1700 South Carolina.
I love the idea that you believe I am brainwashed because I dont believe in what you have been brainwashed into beliving is normal.
You're the one who is brainwashed. Society today wants you to see things for what they appear, rather than what they actually are. This is why there are numerous historical inaccuracies that people know are in fact false, but they continue to tell them as fact.
Let me help you understand this in simpler terms.
Society preaches a nice car(pick a nice car you like) is the only thing that matters. What you see on the outside is what you get. What they don't tell you is that inside that nice car, the seats are torn, there is a foul odor, the gas pedal gets stuck, bad mileage, the drivers side door doesn't close all the way and the stick shift is broken.
Don't know in regards to employment, but as far as affirmative action is concerned, it is very much in existence when dealing with college/grad school.
See below.
From personal experience, I know of MANY blacks who were in all honesty, significantly less qualified both academic and resume-wise to other students that I knew, yet they got into more esteemed universities/graduate schools than their more qualified counterparts (white and Asian). It's not even as though they had comparable resumes either, affirmative action is a huge advantage for ethnic minorities (particularly blacks, Latinos, Native Americans) as far as the education system goes.
How do you know they were less qualified? Do you know what they did in the community? What they did in their interview? That counts as well. Im sorry that you dont understand that not everyone can all apply into 1 place and get in. If you're qualified you will get into a place that you meet the standard, not everyone is lucky enough to get their first choice. There is no hiding the fact that colleges want a "diverse" campus to represent the races in America.
Asians are still an ethnic minority in the United States. No matter how hard they try to blend into white culture, they are still a minority on the level of Blacks, Indians & Latinos. Studies have documented that Asians often times get chosen over Whites, as crazy as that might sound in terms of colleges. That comes with the stereotype that all Asians are smarter and work harder than any other race. Colleges aren't competing for you to be enrolled there, often times they take people who specifically want to be enrolled in certain programs at that university.
Significantly less qualified? I'd love for you to explain that one.
tpols
08-09-2010, 03:15 PM
[QUOTE=Rowe]Nope.
False.
African Americans go to jail more often because they aren't educated nor skilled when they are in the lower class. Drugs aren't the only way people make money. The "working class" African Americans of yesteryear were educated at schools for African Americans due to segregation, and thus rose above their White counterparts. Today most inner city schools are populated by at least 90% African Americans and the education and skills taught are minimal. Thus, most stop attending school and head out into the work force with nothing to show for themselves. This is where the government comes in. They allow African Americans to sustain themselves by giving them social services, which doesn't have intentions on getting them educated or skilled. The end result has created generational welfare where people rely solely on the government to meet their basic needs.
Thats bullshit. :oldlol: The center of drug activity shifted into inner city Black communities as they migrated from the south, when ironically most drug users are in fact Whites from the suburbs.
Oliver North & the Iran
tpols
08-09-2010, 03:17 PM
You dont understand. If the hatred was for Whites, then the Black Panther Party would be on the same level as maybe the KKK for example. The KKK preaches hatred against other races, its very simple. They aren't focused on any injustices, they are focused on trying to disable any progress a minority makes.
The Black Panther Party preaches against injustices. The intentions is not against Whites at all, if you dont know there were plenty Whites during the 60's and 70's which housed meetings & helped fund their events. The Black Panthers were not different than any other group of White people who hate the injustices they see. You've seen plenty stories of Whites protesting various injustices, its the same goal in mind that the Black Panthers had. It just so happens that most of these injustices are created by White men.
The funniest part about all this is that the black panthers aren't that different from the KKK. Do you know how many convicted murderers and crime committers exist within the black panther party? Its the same thing as the nation for islam. It's filled with thugs.
The funniest part about all this is that the black panthers aren't that different from the KKK. Do you know how many convicted murderers and crime committers exist within the black panther party? Its the same thing as the nation for islam. It's filled with thugs.
Thanks for your insight. I'm tired of arguing with you, I now see this isn't going anywhere to discuss this topic online.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:24 PM
See below.
How do you know they were less qualified? Do you know what they did in the community? What they did in their interview? That counts as well. Im sorry that you dont understand that not everyone can all apply into 1 place and get in. If you're qualified you will get into a place that you meet the standard, not everyone is lucky enough to get their first choice. There is no hiding the fact that colleges want a "diverse" campus to represent the races in America.
Asians are still an ethnic minority in the United States. No matter how hard they try to blend into white culture, they are still a minority on the level of Blacks, Indians & Latinos. Studies have documented that Asians often times get chosen over Whites, as crazy as that might sound in terms of colleges. That comes with the stereotype that all Asians are smarter and work harder than any other race. Colleges aren't competing for you to be enrolled there, often times they take people who specifically want to be enrolled in certain programs at that university.
Significantly less qualified? I'd love for you to explain that one.
Do you think I'd make such a claim out of my ass?
Example from people I know:
Student A: Dean' list every semester (3.5+ at Johns Hopkins), multiple internships at numerous medical facilities, community service program at the hospital, research with professors in the psych department during the year, shadowed doctors' surgeries at the Johns Hopkins hospital, HERO (school volunteer emergency medical squad), fraternity, College Republicans, 33 MCAT
Student B: Black Student Union, fraternity, a single summer of interning for a dermatologist, below school average GPA (sub 3.2), school hip-hop/breakdance club, some community service stuff, 27 MCAT
I'm sorry, but no interview is going to overcome that giant discrepency in resumes to the point where the obviously underqualified student in B gets into a premier medical school like Baylor and NYU whereas A gets into much less heralded ones.
Rasheed1
08-09-2010, 03:24 PM
The funniest part about all this is that the black panthers aren't that different from the KKK. Do you know how many convicted murderers and crime committers exist within the black panther party? Its the same thing as the nation for islam. It's filled with thugs.
Black panthers were generally about educating black folks about things like voting rights and gun rights....
they were militant, but they were NOT a hate group
KKK is a hate group...
there is a difference
What are you talking about? The reason a lot of blacks are in jail IS because of drugs. The money, the robberies, the weapons, the violence; it all revolves around drugs. Is this even disputable?
What do you mean affirmative action doesn't exist? I lived with 3 asian roommates last year with two of them being from korea. They are both trying to get into med school and they complained endlessly about how the selection process made it harder for them to get in compared to me because they were competing with the other asians. Colleges and hiring places love to say they're 'diverse' to promote a healthy company image. A lot have quotas to meet on how many minorities to let in depending on how said minorities perform relative to their ancestry. I don't know what world you're living in but affirmative action definitely still exists whether you want to dismiss it or not.
And lol at you saying ghettos in the U.S. have no media exposure. It doesn't take money to be exposed to the media nowadays. Everyone, even people in the ghettos can afford a TV. You're acting like the bed-sty is equivalent to darfur which is a complete joke.
Thanks. See above.
You've gotten in the last word. No hard feelings from me in the future for our dialogue the past 2 days.
All I can say is that things aren't as simple as you believe they are.
Black panthers were generally about educating black folks about things like voting rights and gun rights....
they were militant, but they were NOT a hate group
KKK is a hate group...
there is a difference
No point in taking it further. Nobody wins from this discussion.
Do you think I'd make such a claim out of my ass?
Example from people I know:
Student A: Dean' list every semester (3.5+ at Johns Hopkins), multiple internships at numerous medical facilities, community service program at the hospital, research with professors in the psych department during the year, shadowed doctors' surgeries at the Johns Hopkins hospital, HERO (school volunteer emergency medical squad), fraternity, College Republicans, 33 MCAT
Student B: Black Student Union, fraternity, a single summer of interning for a dermatologist, below school average GPA (sub 3.2), school hip-hop/breakdance club, some community service stuff, 27 MCAT
I'm sorry, but no interview is going to overcome that giant discrepency in resumes to the point where the obviously underqualified student in B gets into a premier medical school like Baylor and NYU whereas A gets into much less heralded ones.
Interesting.
You know these exact people? Student A & Student B?
What school did Student A end up getting into? There is such a thing as being overqualified, I'm sure you've heard that term.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:32 PM
You know these exact people? Student A & Student B?
What school did Student A end up getting into?
A few Caribbean ones that I've never heard of as safeties, some SUNY (State University of NY), Michigan State, Indiana, some dental school in Jersey
hito da god
08-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Then your standards are lower than mine.
That's not what I said. I said Kobe's scholarship would've been for sports. Had he never played basketball, he would never have gotten a scholarship in the first place. Duke doesn't hand out scholarships to students with 1060 SAT scores. Hell, you might not even be accepted.
In 2005 (before they changed it to the 2400 scale), for males, the average score for verbal was 513 and the average for math as 538. So yes, he's average. Where did I say there was anything wrong with being average?
you sound like the typical long island, manhattan, or westchester kid.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:36 PM
Overqualified? That's primarily in regards to things like McDonald's jobs, not highly coveted acceptances to THE most premier medical universities in the United States - no one in their right mind would take underqualified over overqualified especially when dealing with things of huge importance such as this. If anything, overqualification is seen more in lower schools where they pretty much know the overqualified candidates won't go for their school, not super competitive elite ones like these.
A few Caribbean ones that I've never heard of as safeties, some SUNY (State University of NY), Michigan State, Indiana, some dental school in Jersey
You believe that they didn't get into the school of their choice because they weren't black?
Like I mentioned before, there is such a thing as being overqualified. Its well known that schools will back off of students in the selection process if they feel they can get into better schools. Sounds like you're friend got a raw deal, but they're not the only one.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:38 PM
You believe that they didn't get into the school of their choice because they weren't black?
Like I mentioned before, there is such a thing as being overqualified. Its well known that schools will back off of students in the selection process if they feel they can get into better schools. Sounds like you're friend got a raw deal, but they're not the only one.
Uh, no. I'm saying that the other, clearly underqualified student got in cause he was black.
Like I mentioend in my other post, that's for clearly inferior schools, not top 50 medical ones that both of the students applied for.
tpols
08-09-2010, 03:39 PM
You believe that they didn't get into the school of their choice because they weren't black?
Like I mentioned before, there is such a thing as being overqualified. Its well known that schools will back off of students in the selection process if they feel they can get into better schools. Sounds like you're friend got a raw deal, but they're not the only one.
Affirmative action exists man. I don't know why you're reaching with this 'overqualified' nonsense. Overqualified for med school? What? Why are you mad that minorities that score lower as a whole are given better chances to make it through college? It sounds like you dismiss it because it would go against your theories on white people.
Overqualified? That's primarily in regards to things like McDonald's jobs, not highly coveted acceptances to THE most premier medical universities in the United States - no one in their right mind would take underqualified over overqualified especially when dealing with things of huge importance such as this. If anything, overqualification is seen more in lower schools where they pretty much know the overqualified candidates won't go for their school, not super competitive elite ones like these.
You sure about that? See above.
There have been stories of kids who couldn't get into Stanford, but ended up getting into Ivy League schools. Why is that? Think about it.
Student B got in over Student A because they were qualified enough, knew exactly what they wanted out of the school(specific programs, specific professors), or were in-state. Either that or you are purposely missing out key details about Student B to try to re-inforce your point. I've never heard of a Hip Hop Dance Class. :oldlol:
Uh, no. I'm saying that the other, clearly underqualified student got in cause he was black.
Are you Student A? :oldlol:
Edit: You can believe what you want to believe. There is no such thing as a student who doesn't meet qualifications getting in because of their race.
Like I mentioend in my other post, that's for clearly inferior schools, not top 50 medical ones that both of the students applied for.
Nope. That exists in all schools. You have to know exactly what school you want to go to, if you're interested in too many its well known schools might back off and take someone else to be sure of filling their slots.
Affirmative action exists man. I don't know why you're reaching with this 'overqualified' nonsense. Overqualified for med school? What? Why are you mad that minorities that score lower as a whole are given better chances to make it through college? It sounds like you dismiss it because it would go against your theories on white people.
As I said before, I hold no hard feelings towards you at all. I'd wish you'd do the same.
Rasheed1
08-09-2010, 03:44 PM
FACT: Affirmative action benefits a broad range of people and communities that continue to face discrimination in this country, including Latino, Native, Arab, Asian and African Americans. The primary beneficiaries, however, have been white women.
http://aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php
:cheers:
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:45 PM
You sure about that? See above.
There have been stories of kids who couldn't get into Stanford, but ended up getting into Ivy League schools. Why is that? Think about it.
Student B got in over Student A because they were qualified enough, knew exactly what they wanted out of the school(specific programs, specific professors), or were in-state. Either that or you are purposely missing out key details about Student B to try to re-inforce your point. I've never heard of a Hip Hop Dance Class. :oldlol:
1. Because as compared to the east coast, the west coast has less prestigious universities and just as many kids competing for them. Many qualified kids apply closer to their region despite being good enough to go anywhere in the country for comfort's sake.
2. Stanford is better than the majority of Ivy Leagues by the way, in fact there are a bunch of schools better than a bunch of Ivys.
They are both from NY (hence out of state) and no I didn't exempt any information, I have zero agenda on an online forum.
You honestly cannot believe there is no affirmative action and that there is such a thing as "overqualified" when takling about the elite of the elite.
Its club, not class, btw.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Are you Student A? :oldlol:
Nope. That exists in all schools. You have to know exactly what school you want to go to, if you're interested in too many its well known schools might back off and take someone else to be sure of filling their slots.
No you idiot, I am not.
A typical medical student applies well over 10-15+ medical schools. Both students fit that description.
tpols
08-09-2010, 03:49 PM
As I said before, I hold no hard feelings towards you at all. I'd wish you'd do the same.
I don't have any hard feelings towards you either. It's just you won't admit to things that are clearly going on. You think because of the teachings you have learned that you are somehow enlightened as to what is the truth and everyone else is in the dark, when the very teachings that you have been taught are just as biased as the ones the 'white man' has preached.
No you idiot, I am not.
A typical medical student applies well over 10-15+ medical schools. Both students fit that description.
There is no need to start insulting people. If you want to start childish behavior do it with someone else.
So you feel that the injustice is that Student A didn't get into a school he wanted to go to, but Student B got into the school and Student A felt they were more qualified than Student B and the only possible reason Student B got in was because he was black? Is this your argument?
So if both applied to 10-15+ medical schools. Were there other Blacks who got in over Student A at other schools?
I don't have any hard feelings towards you either. It's just you won't admit to things that are clearly going on. You think because of the teachings you have learned that you are somehow enlightened as to what is the truth and everyone else is in the dark, when the very teachings that you have been taught are just as biased as the ones the 'white man' has preached.
You do have hard feelings. Which is why you continue to want to pursue a discussion I had just closed with you. Im not responding to any more comments about it. Sorry.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 03:56 PM
There is no need to start insulting people. If you want to start childish behavior do it with someone else.
So you feel that the injustice is that Student A didn't get into a school he wanted to go to, but Student B got into the school and Student A felt they were more qualified than Student B and the only possible reason Student B got in was because he was black? Is this your argument?
So if both applied to 10-15+ medical schools. Were there other Blacks who got in over Student A at other schools?
It's pretty clear I'm arguing over the existence of affirmative action with given, from-personal-experience examples.
I'll give you two other examples that I know personally.
1. Black student, going to Michigan for medical school, a premier medical institution. A slightly more qualified student than my other example, but as far as the typical medical school applicant goes, she was at best an average one.
2. Black student from my high school actually. Compared to the salutatorian and another friend, her resume (grade and extracurricular wise) was very lacking. Both of the other students got waitlisted/rejected respectively from Harvard while she gets in.
1. Because as compared to the east coast, the west coast has less prestigious universities and just as many kids competing for them. Many qualified kids apply closer to their region despite being good enough to go anywhere in the country for comfort's sake.
2. Stanford is better than the majority of Ivy Leagues by the way, in fact there are a bunch of schools better than a bunch of Ivys.
They are both from NY (hence out of state) and no I didn't exempt any information, I have zero agenda on an online forum.
You honestly cannot believe there is no affirmative action and that there is such a thing as "overqualified" when takling about the elite of the elite.
Its club, not class, btw.
Yet you want me to believe that affirmative action is the only reason why Student A didn't have his choice of school that he feels that he deserved?
I have a hard time believing a student with a sub-3.0 GPA gets into any medical school regardless of race. Affirmative action was not exclusively devised for African Americans, it is meant for minorities as well as women.
Im just pointing out that your belief Student B got in only because he was black, is a very shallow yet predictable response. You haven't mentioned any more details about Student B, how many other universities did he get accepted into?
tpols
08-09-2010, 03:59 PM
It's pretty clear I'm arguing over the existence of affirmative action with given, from-personal-experience examples.
I'll give you two other examples that I know personally.
1. Black student, going to Michigan for medical school, a premier medical institution. A slightly more qualified student than my other example, but as far as the typical medical school applicant goes, she was at best an average one.
2. Black student from my high school actually. Compared to the salutatorian and another friend, her resume (grade and extracurricular wise) was very lacking. Both of the other students got waitlisted/rejected respectively from Harvard while she gets in.
To add to this, my adopted columbian cousin who got a 1950 on her SATs and had a 3.5 gpa got a offer from harvard with money (because she couldn't afford it) but she ended up not liking the campus and people there (said they were very snooty) and now she attends TCNJ.
In comparison, I got a 1970 with a 3.5 gpa and I got flat out rejected from NYU and Emory, two inferior schools in comparison to harvard and now attend rutgers.
Rasheed1
08-09-2010, 04:00 PM
It's pretty clear I'm arguing over the existence of affirmative action with given, from-personal-experience examples.
I'll give you two other examples that I know personally.
1. Black student, going to Michigan for medical school, a premier medical institution. A slightly more qualified student than my other example, but as far as the typical medical school applicant goes, she was at best an average one.
2. Black student from my high school actually. Compared to the salutatorian and another friend, her resume (grade and extracurricular wise) was very lacking. Both of the other students got waitlisted/rejected respectively from Harvard while she gets in.
No school admits people totally on their academics and doesnt always have to do with Affirmative Action... Alot of times it is due to Alumni clauses and other things like sports or activities.....
Some people have great grades and lack something else and schools pass them over due to their lack of credentials in another area
It's pretty clear I'm arguing over the existence of affirmative action with given, from-personal-experience examples.
I'll give you two other examples that I know personally.
1. Black student, going to Michigan for medical school, a premier medical institution. A slightly more qualified student than my other example, but as far as the typical medical school applicant goes, she was at best an average one.
2. Black student from my high school actually. Compared to the salutatorian and another friend, her resume (grade and extracurricular wise) was very lacking. Both of the other students got waitlisted/rejected respectively from Harvard while she gets in.
And you believe they only got into these schools because they were black? Is that what you're saying.
What schools do you think they should've gone to instead? If thats the premise right now of your argument in which Student 1 and Student 2 didn't deserve to go to the schools they are currently at, which school(s) fit them better for their resume?
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 04:03 PM
Yet you want me to believe that affirmative action is the only reason why Student A didn't have his choice of school that he feels that he deserved?
I have a hard time believing a student with a sub-3.0 GPA gets into any medical school regardless of race. Affirmative action was not exclusively devised for African Americans, it is meant for minorities as well as women.
Im just pointing out that your belief Student B got in only because he was black, is a very shallow yet predictable response. You haven't mentioned any more details about Student B, how many other universities did he get accepted into?
It is much less about Student A being denied than it is about Student B being accepted. Qualified people get denied all the time, underqualified people being accepted is much less common (all things being equal). His GPA was sub 3.2, not 3.0.
He got into the schools I mentioned, Pittsburgh, OhioState, Wake Forest, a few Caribbean ones, SUNY medical schools. He got denied from Harvard, Johns Hopkins, WashU St.Louis. What else would you like to know.
It is much less about Student A being denied than it is about Student B being accepted. Qualified people get denied all the time, underqualified people being accepted is much less common (all things being equal). His GPA was sub 3.2, not 3.0.
He got into the schools I mentioned, Pittsburgh, OhioState, Wake Forest, a few Caribbean ones, SUNY medical schools. He got denied from Harvard, Johns Hopkins, WashU St.Louis. What else would you like to know.
Not much more.
I'm just simply saying, you only believe Student B got in over Student A at a specific school because student B is a minority?
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 04:06 PM
And you believe they only got into these schools because they were black? Is that what you're saying.
What schools do you think they should've gone to instead? If thats the premise right now of your argument in which Student 1 and Student 2 didn't deserve to go to the schools they are currently at, which school(s) fit them better for their resume?
Thats the whole point of me arguing over affirmative action - they got in largely due to help from being an ethnic minority.
You can't honestly believe that someone who took the time and commitment to provide an outstanding resume got into worse schools than another candidate who devoted much less effort and time largely due to his ethnic background. And yes, I know both of them so I know what they are like.
Thats the whole point of me arguing over affirmative action - they got in largely due to help from being an ethnic minority.
You can't honestly believe that someone who took the time and commitment to provide an outstanding resume got into worse schools than another candidate who devoted much less effort and time largely due to his ethnic background. And yes, I know both of them so I know what they are like.
That resume may not have been outstanding enough to the admissions office. As I've said before they can pick & choose who they want at their school and that doesn't relate to affirmative action. The "leadership" quality for Student B might've got him in. Did Student B participate in sports?
To be more specific, the topic of whether race quotas exist is fit for this argument you're making.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 04:15 PM
That resume may not have been outstanding enough to the admissions office. As I've said before they can pick & choose who they want at their school and that doesn't relate to affirmative action. The "leadership" quality for Student B might've got him in. Did Student B participate in sports?
To be more specific, the topic of whether race quotas exist is fit for this argument you're making.
As far as their resumes go, anything of recordable significance has been all listed.
In response to the resume, if the non-black student's resume is considered unimpressive, wouldn't that make the black student in this example look even worse in comparison. Neither students held top leadership roles in their respective activities.
P.S. In case anyone might be thinking I have an agenda against blacks and affirmative action, I am Asian and if anything I should be arguing against it.
I'm enjoying the debate too btw.
OG LeeTSkeeT
08-09-2010, 04:23 PM
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Steve212
08-09-2010, 04:24 PM
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As far as their resumes go, anything of recordable significance has been all listed.
In response to the resume, if the non-black student's resume is considered unimpressive, wouldn't that make the black student in this example look even worse in comparison. Neither students held top leadership roles in their respective activities.
Black Student Union, was the reason why I mentioned "leadership".
And as Sheed pointed out, it all depends on what the school wants to bring in. As an African American, I've suffered into getting accepted into schools simply because I lack a lot of things outside of academics. 3.4 GPA(All A+'s in my Senior year), 1600 SAT, volunteer work at an elementary school. But thats it. I didnt take part in any clubs that represent leadership. I didn't do sports. I didn't do anything. Went to school, came home, shot hoops. If Affirmative Action worked in the way you say it does, shouldn't I be getting in over more qualified Whites?
P.S. In case anyone might be thinking I have an agenda against blacks and affirmative action, I am Asian and if anything I should be arguing against it.
I'm enjoying the debate too btw.
Considering you mentioned Asians in the same category as Whites, its kind of funny that you didn't group yourself with the other ethnic minorities Blacks, Hispanics, & Native Americans. Those groups who you're claiming are the only beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Not to mention the Tech job field that has a noticeable disparity in which it hires Asians/Indians over White Americans.
That caught my eye.
Snoop_Cat
08-09-2010, 04:45 PM
Black Student Union, was the reason why I mentioned "leadership".
And as Sheed pointed out, it all depends on what the school wants to bring in. As an African American, I've suffered into getting accepted into schools simply because I lack a lot of things outside of academics. 3.4 GPA(All A+'s in my Senior year), 1600 SAT, volunteer work at an elementary school. But thats it. I didnt take part in any clubs that represent leadership. I didn't do sports. I didn't do anything. Went to school, came home, shot hoops. If Affirmative Action worked in the way you say it does, shouldn't I be getting in over more qualified Whites?
Considering you mentioned Asians in the same category as Whites, its kind of funny that you didn't group yourself with the other ethnic minorities Blacks, Hispanics, & Native Americans. Those groups who you're claiming are the only beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Not to mention the Tech job field that has a noticeable disparity in which it hires Asians/Indians over White Americans.
That caught my eye.
Just a member of the BSU. No offense intended, but the black students I'm referring had a not impressive, but decent resume whereas yours didn't offer much in variety/involvement.
Regarding the Asian thing, here's something that I heard regarding Asian affirmative action from a current Yale acceptance board member at a college convention that I went to. Asians used to be large benefactors off of affirmative action as well. However, with the stereotypical studious Asian population in combination to the foreign students, the Asian population percentage in universities compared to the Asian population percentage of the total US population was increasingly different, bypassing the "quota" of sorts, making affirmative action less and less helpful.
As far as the tech stuff goes - many of the tech sectors of these companies are located in places such as India which is why often when you call customer service, an Indian will answer. In the United States, there is hardly a noticeable discrepency in the tech factors of major companies - the Asian ratio vs. Asian population ratio isn't significantly off in US-based tech corporations.
Just a member of the BSU. No offense intended, but the black students I'm referring had a not impressive, but decent resume whereas yours didn't offer much in variety/involvement.
Regarding the Asian thing, here's something that I heard regarding Asian affirmative action from a current Yale acceptance board member at a college convention that I went to. Asians used to be large benefactors off of affirmative action as well. However, with the stereotypical studious Asian population in combination to the foreign students, the Asian population percentage in universities compared to the Asian population percentage of the total US population was increasingly different, bypassing the "quota" of sorts, making affirmative action less and less helpful.
As far as the tech stuff goes - many of the tech sectors of these companies are located in places such as India which is why often when you call customer service, an Indian will answer. In the United States, there is hardly a noticeable discrepency in the tech factors of major companies - the Asian ratio vs. Asian population ratio isn't significantly off in US-based tech corporations.
Fair enough.
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