Why Did Jordan Retire In 93?

[Big#50]

What are your thoughts? Here is a guy who is supposedly the ultimate competitor and winner. We all know he always wanted to top Magic's five rings. Why would he retire after three? For a guy whose ego is massive I just don't think he'd stop before getting five. Gambling is always brought up, and I think it might have had something to do with it. It was like he was exiled or something. Do you think someone like MJ can lose his desire, as he put it?

[beermonsteroo]

What are your thoughts? Here is a guy who is supposedly the ultimate competitor and winner. We all know he always wanted to top Magic's five rings. Why would he retire after three? For a guy whose ego is massive I just don't think he'd stop before getting five. Gambling is always brought up, and I think it might have had something to do with it. It was like he was exiled or something. Do you think someone like MJ can lose his desire, as he put it?

The murder of his father certainly was an issue. Maybe he ha dsomething we call burn out today. Very possible. He just needed a rest

[Manute for Ever!]

In before "It was a secret league-imposed suspension for gambling".

Just find one of the billion other threads on the subject, but be warned; They never end well.

[Scott Baker]

I don't really care if there is some reason for it beyond what he said. His dad was killed and I'm sure that he was in a crisis, plus he was already crazy accomplished. That's enough reason for me.

[Manute for Ever!]

The murder of his father certainly was an issue. Maybe he ha dsomething we call burn out today. Very possible. He just needed a rest

That's all I think it was and I think it was completely reasonable. I don't know how I would react to the death of a parent and I am roughly the age he was at retirement...

[Soundwave]

I think people need to understand something too ... Michael Jordan wasn't at that time just the biggest basketball player or even the biggest athlete on the planet.

He was one of the biggest celebrities period. Like Michael Jackson or Princess Diana, he could not just walk down the street without being mobbed. He could not just walk into a grocery store.

I recall one story where Jordan said he had to use a public restroom and while he's in the stall doing his "business", people were sliding photos underneath the stall for him to autograph, lol. The guy literally could not take a sh*t in peace.

I think that level of fame wore on him a bit. This is far beyond any basketball player today.

But really the main answer is his father's murder, no question. We are not talking about losing a parent to natural causes here ... we are talking about murder, that has to have a different kind of psychological effect.

No doubt it also drove him to baseball.

[KevinDurant4MVP]

His dad got killed due to his gambling debts.


[quote]Then in February of 1992, Jordan's gambling associate Eddie Dow was robbed of $20,000 and murdered just outside his home. In Dow's belongings they found photocopies of three checks that totaled $108,000

[Manute for Ever!]

His dad got killed due to his gambling debts.




Lets just say Jordan didnt hang around with the best crowd

Source? And what's with the typos in the article?

[SinJackal]

In before "It was a secret league-imposed suspension for gambling".

Just find one of the billion other threads on the subject, but be warned; They never end well.

I don't buy that. Nobody else has been suspended for over a season and a half for anything. Even Ron Artest didn't get suspended for half as long for throwing punches at fans. Jordan's not going to get a near 2 season suspension for mere gambling. Especially considering he was the face of the league, the best player in the league, and a 3 time in a row world champion.

People just want to speculate.

[wasteland]

as far as i kno his old man always wanted him to be a baseball player. when he was murdered jordan retired from basketball and played baseball for a season if im not wrong... or season and a half or whatever. came back to nba afterthat and killed it with 3 more consecutive championships....
at least i thought thats what the story was...

[andgar923]

Who cares.

He came back and dominated again.

[Courtside View]

His dad got killed due to his gambling debts.




Lets just say Jordan didnt hang around with the best crowd

Hey troll, try to use some common sense. I know being an idiot troll and using common sense is hard, but try.

You have a man thats worth millions and millions of dollars. What crime figures would do is THREATEN to kill someone first. If you think Jordan, who was extremely close to his father, wouldn't pay off a paltry gambling debt to save his father, or family member then you're an idiot. If someone threatened YOUR family members life, and you could EASILY afford to pay them off, what would you do? Or is this part of your stupid agenda to say that Jordan was not only a degenerate gambler, but wouldn't even pay off his debt to keep his father alive even if doesn't make any sense?

Of course it is. Moron.

[gts]

Source? And what's with the typos in the article?

http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1635/pg1/index.html

[Mentally_Pretty]

His dad got killed due to his gambling debts.




Lets just say Jordan didnt hang around with the best crowd
i came in here ready to post something like this.finally somebody in this forum knows what up. basically he was responsible for his father getting killed.

[gts]

i came in here ready to post something like this.finally somebody in this forum knows what up. basically he was responsible for his father getting killed.there's no proof of that and in todays world if there was it would be all over the news..

one poorly written article from a conspiracy website is not proof

remember court records are property of the public domain, yet no reporter looking to make a name for himself has bothered to report on this.

[Mentally_Pretty]

there's no proof of that and in todays world if there was it would be all over the news..

one poorly written article from a conspiracy website is not proof

remember court records are property of the public domain, yet no reporter looking to make a name for himself has bothered to report on this.
there is alot of sources on this.ill see if i can find them. but yes it was said that MJ left because David Stern wanted him to take a 2 year break so all this could not be spotlighted and not leak out.if he made it look like he retire then people would souly focus on that.
i'll post some links later.

[DaniloGallinari]

Hey troll, try to use some common sense. I know being an idiot troll and using common sense is hard, but try.

You have a man thats worth millions and millions of dollars. What crime figures would do is THREATEN to kill someone first. If you think Jordan, who was extremely close to his father, wouldn't pay off a paltry gambling debt to save his father, or family member then you're an idiot. If someone threatened YOUR family members life, and you could EASILY afford to pay them off, what would you do? Or is this part of your stupid agenda to say that Jordan was not only a degenerate gambler, but wouldn't even pay off his debt to keep his father alive even if doesn't make any sense?

Of course it is. Moron.

Sometimes our own common sense isn't the same for someone else. Nobody knows what actually happened. Who's to say that it actually happened as some people report? Maybe Jordan had no idea that they'd go so far. Maybe he never knew. It's always easy to make assumptions from your computer chair, reading internet forums, but it's actually a lot tougher.

[Courtside View]

Sometimes our own common sense isn't the same for someone else. Nobody knows what actually happened. Who's to say that it actually happened as some people report? Maybe Jordan had no idea that they'd go so far. Maybe he never knew. It's always easy to make assumptions from your computer chair, reading internet forums, but it's actually a lot tougher.

There's using reason and logic, and trying to decide what makes sense and then there's baseless speculation utilized by trolls and morons.

Maybe Jordan had no idea that they'd go so far

If he's dealing with known criminals, why wouldn't he assume that they would "go that far" especially if he owed them money and they had taken it to the level of threatening to kill his father. Again, what would YOU do? Pay off a sum of money you could easily afford that you actually OWED, or just assume that it will all blow over? Would you take that chance on a family members life, ESPECIALLY your father that you were very close to?

Maybe he never knew.

Soooo, they killed him over a gambling debt but never even bothered to let the person know that they were going to kill him to try to get their money back. That makes tons of sense. I know when I want money back from someone, I make sure they never know I want it.

It's always easy to make assumptions from your computer chair, reading internet forums, but it's actually a lot tougher

Rambling babble. So far, no one has come up with any legitimate reason as to why Jordan wouldn't pay back a sum of money he EASILY could have to save the life of his father.

Only trolls and the ignorant would believe this, since IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

[tpols]

There's using reason and logic, and trying to decide what makes sense and then there's baseless speculation utilized by trolls and morons.

Maybe Jordan had no idea that they'd go so far

If he's dealing with known criminals, why wouldn't he assume that they would "go that far" especially if he owed them money and they had taken it to the level of threatening to kill his father. Again, what would YOU do? Pay off a sum of money you could easily afford that you actually OWED, or just assume that it will all blow over? Would you take that chance on a family members life, ESPECIALLY your father that you were very close to?

Maybe he never knew.

Soooo, they killed him over a gambling debt but never even bothered to let the person know that they were going to kill him to try to get their money back. That makes tons of sense. I know when I want money back from someone, I make sure they never know I want it.

It's always easy to make assumptions from your computer chair, reading internet forums, but it's actually a lot tougher

Rambling babble. So far, no one has come up with any legitimate reason as to why Jordan wouldn't pay back a sum of money he EASILY could have to save the life of his father.

Only trolls and the ignorant would believe this, since IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
This guy doesn't understand:facepalm

We're talking about drug dealers. Hardened criminals whose minds have been warped through all their upbringings and dealings on the streets and all the drugs and chemicals they've put into their bodies. They don't make the right decision all the time. How can you be so naive as to think they will always make the right choice on a certain matter.

How do you know jordan didn't get into a argument with these guys that sparked them to kill his father because they were 'disrespected'? Jordan was known for being extremely hotheaded. This crowd of thugs wasn't much different than the one tupac dealt with and he was shot up over an argument in a hotel.

How do you know if jordan might have forgotten some paltry amount (to him) like 20k or so and some thugs ran up into his family member's home (a common pratice) looking for the money, finding none, losing control of their emotions, and killing his dad?

The fact of the matter is you nor I know and you dismissing it as something gangsters wouldn't do because of it being nonsensible is pretty shortsighted and naive especially considering we're talking about one of the most dangerous and unpredictable groups of people in the country.

[Indian guy]

MJ talks about retirement in almost every book of his pre-winning the 3rd championship. In fact, in Hang Time, which covers his first 2 championships and features a lot his personal conversations with a local non-sports writer he developed a good relationship with, he point blank says he'd like to retire and try baseball IF the Bulls won it all in '91.

[Mentally_Pretty]

There's using reason and logic, and trying to decide what makes sense and then there's baseless speculation utilized by trolls and morons.

Maybe Jordan had no idea that they'd go so far

If he's dealing with known criminals, why wouldn't he assume that they would "go that far" especially if he owed them money and they had taken it to the level of threatening to kill his father. Again, what would YOU do? Pay off a sum of money you could easily afford that you actually OWED, or just assume that it will all blow over? Would you take that chance on a family members life, ESPECIALLY your father that you were very close to?

Maybe he never knew.

Soooo, they killed him over a gambling debt but never even bothered to let the person know that they were going to kill him to try to get their money back. That makes tons of sense. I know when I want money back from someone, I make sure they never know I want it.

It's always easy to make assumptions from your computer chair, reading internet forums, but it's actually a lot tougher

Rambling babble. So far, no one has come up with any legitimate reason as to why Jordan wouldn't pay back a sum of money he EASILY could have to save the life of his father.

Only trolls and the ignorant would believe this, since IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
you are obviously not street smart.

[hawksdogsbraves]

He 'retired' on Stern's command as punishment for his gambling problem. He is a well documented gambling addict, which is not a serious problem considering how much money he has and is still making. I'm sure he was betting on himself and we all know that the idea of sport being rigged is the ultimate crime to the fans and to the public. It is the same reason why Pete Rose, one of the greatest baseball players of all time, has been blacklisted from baseball and will never make the hall of fame. Gambling allegations from the sports number one athlete and public face would have damaged the NBA irreparably. I don't buy that his dad was killed because of gambling debts though, I think it was a random murder that happened while he was sleeping at a rest stop (though it does seem almost too coincidental).

That's my theory anyway. Jordan doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would walk away at the top of his game for any reason unless he was forced to.

[BallinSinceBirf]

Just goes to show what a sleazeball MJ really was. The guy was the highest paid athlete of his day and he STILL was so greedy that he had to gamble in hopes of making more, more, more. His greed led to the murder of his father. Imagine that weight on your conscience.

MJ was no better a character than LeBron. In some ways he was even worse. The difference is MJ existed before the whole Twitter era. Back in MJ's day it was much easier to control information. People didn't have the Internet in the form they have it today. All we knew about MJ's character was the whitewashed version we got from the NBA and Nike.

Furthermore, I find it ludicrous that people always dog Kobe for the rape allegations against him, yet revere MJ as if he were a saint. Allegedly raping a chick under questionable circumstances is nowhere near as awful as causing the murder of your father over your own greed.

[ranigma]

Just goes to show what a sleazeball MJ really was. The guy was the highest paid athlete of his day and he STILL was so greedy that he had to gamble in hopes of making more, more, more. His greed led to the murder of his father. Imagine that weight on your conscience.


:facepalm
You don't know what you are talking about.

[BallinSinceBirf]

:facepalm
You don't know what you are talking about.
I'm sure you do.

[DuMa]

who cares. he came back and dominated everyone.

[Leviathon1121]

Just goes to show what a sleazeball MJ really was. The guy was the highest paid athlete of his day and he STILL was so greedy that he had to gamble in hopes of making more, more, more. His greed led to the murder of his father. Imagine that weight on your conscience.

MJ was no better a character than LeBron. In some ways he was even worse. The difference is MJ existed before the whole Twitter era. Back in MJ's day it was much easier to control information. People didn't have the Internet in the form they have it today. All we knew about MJ's character was the whitewashed version we got from the NBA and Nike.

Furthermore, I find it ludicrous that people always dog Kobe for the rape allegations against him, yet revere MJ as if he were a saint. Allegedly raping a chick under questionable circumstances is nowhere near as awful as causing the murder of your father over your own greed.

I'm sorry, I keep reading through your post, hoping to find some kind of evidence to back up your assertion, and there is nothing to be found.

I might as well tell everyone here you are a pedophile and a convicted molester. I could present it as a fact using the amount of factual evidence you provide in your post.

And I like how Kobe's rape allegations are questionable and circumstantial to you despite there being an entire trial on it. Yet when it comes to Jordan, all it takes is a conspiracy website to convince you he is responsible for his father's death.

What a joke some of you people are.

[AirJordan23]

You can see in this '86 interview with Letterman how MJ mentions he plans to retire in 9 years and try pro golf. I think he always had the intention of retiring around that time. The suspension doesn't make much sense to me although I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpogmLvYozg

lol @ Letterman btw. "it didn't have any white in it..."
"Neither does the NBA."

[OldSchoolBBall]

Hey troll, try to use some common sense. I know being an idiot troll and using common sense is hard, but try.

You have a man thats worth millions and millions of dollars. What crime figures would do is THREATEN to kill someone first. If you think Jordan, who was extremely close to his father, wouldn't pay off a paltry gambling debt to save his father, or family member then you're an idiot. If someone threatened YOUR family members life, and you could EASILY afford to pay them off, what would you do? Or is this part of your stupid agenda to say that Jordan was not only a degenerate gambler, but wouldn't even pay off his debt to keep his father alive even if doesn't make any sense?

Of course it is. Moron.

Exactly. Dude was making $35-50M/year at the time, and these clowns don't think he'd pay $1-2M if his father's life was threatened? :oldlol: People have no common sense.

[tpols]

Exactly. Dude was making $35-50M/year at the time, and these clowns don't think he'd pay $1-2M if his father's life was threatened? :oldlol: People have no common sense.
If it were to happen, which it probably didn't, it wouldn't have been a ransom:facepalm It would have been an altercation of sorts between a angry michael and some thugs which would have led to retaliation on one of michael's family members. Don't you know anything about how people in the underworld conduct business?

[KevinDurant4MVP]

Hey troll, try to use some common sense. I know being an idiot troll and using common sense is hard, but try.

You have a man thats worth millions and millions of dollars. What crime figures would do is THREATEN to kill someone first. If you think Jordan, who was extremely close to his father, wouldn't pay off a paltry gambling debt to save his father, or family member then you're an idiot. If someone threatened YOUR family members life, and you could EASILY afford to pay them off, what would you do? Or is this part of your stupid agenda to say that Jordan was not only a degenerate gambler, but wouldn't even pay off his debt to keep his father alive even if doesn't make any sense?

Of course it is. Moron.
Grow up little boy. Jordan always thought he was larger then life.
When you gamble with friends do yo like giving money up? No
Jordan thought he was too big to pay his debt. And the Mob is not going to threaten you because obviously that leaves evidence.

You believe the news-report the father of Michael Jordan slept on the side of the road in a porsche cuz he was a little tipsy?

If your that gullible you need to grow up breh

[KevinDurant4MVP]

you are obviously not street smart.
Exactly. Living in gated community your life you wouldnt understand.
but belive it or not thats how sh1t works.

[OldSchoolBBall]

If it were to happen, which it probably didn't, it wouldn't have been a ransom:facepalm It would have been an altercation of sorts between a angry michael and some thugs which would have led to retaliation on one of michael's family members. Don't you know anything about how people in the underworld conduct business?

Uhh, yeah, I grew up in Brooklyn and I'm Italian - I've known quite a few mafia members in my day. And I can tell you for a FACT that no mob associate would ever just kill someone without making it clear that they were going to do so first. Maybe not explicitly about the father, but something like "don't make us have to come after your family" or some such.

Now, if it was some random drug dealer/gambler/thug or something that's different. But no one in the mob would pull something like that without trying to get their money first and making the threat clear.

[KevinDurant4MVP]

Just goes to show what a sleazeball MJ really was. The guy was the highest paid athlete of his day and he STILL was so greedy that he had to gamble in hopes of making more, more, more. His greed led to the murder of his father. Imagine that weight on your conscience.

MJ was no better a character than LeBron. In some ways he was even worse. The difference is MJ existed before the whole Twitter era. Back in MJ's day it was much easier to control information. People didn't have the Internet in the form they have it today. All we knew about MJ's character was the whitewashed version we got from the NBA and Nike.

Furthermore, I find it ludicrous that people always dog Kobe for the rape allegations against him, yet revere MJ as if he were a saint. Allegedly raping a chick under questionable circumstances is nowhere near as awful as causing the murder of your father over your own greed.

Exactly. If jordan was playing in the technolgy days where you cant even walk down the street without people taking pics with there cameraphone and one tweet and the whole world knows what your doing.

Jordans image would have like you wouldn't even believe.

Lebron goes to a club today and theres pictres online and then a full story report of what happened.

[bdreason]

He certainly didn't quite to play Baseball in the prime of his career. I also doubt his father dying would lead to him quitting Basketball.

[tpols]

Uhh, yeah, I grew up in Brooklyn and I'm Italian - I've known quite a few mafia members in my day. And I can tell you for a FACT that no mob associate would ever just kill someone without making it clear that they were going to do so first. Maybe not explicitly about the father, but something like "don't make us have to come after your family" or some such.

Now, if it was some random drug dealer/gambler/thug or something that's different. But no one in the mob would pull something like that without trying to get their money first and making the threat clear.
:wtf: I highly doubt it was just the mafia that would have done it. It could have easily been some inner city drug dealers who wouldn't give a **** or think twice about killing someone over a small debt. These guys will kill each other over someone standing on their corner selling $40 bags of heroin. You think they won't gun someone down over a few grand?
They run a very different line of work than the organized italian mafia.

[Soundwave]

Anyone who thinks the NBA would willingly force their no.1 draw out of the game for some gambling debts not even related to basketball is a friggin' retard (sorry but it's true).

First off racking up gambling debts to the American public is no big deal in terms of PR spin. It's not like he (um) killed someone (OJ) or was accused of a raping a white girl or got caught cheating with 10 other women at the height of his career. Those are far, far bigger issues.

Pete Rose bet ON baseball, that was a huge difference, and that's the reason he got in trouble. If Pete Rose was dicking away money at the black jack table in Atlantic City, no one would've given a sh-t. It's his money, if he wants to blow it that way, he's not hurting anyone but himself.

David Stern is a businessman at the end of the day. He doesn't give a sh-t that the players wear baggy shorts or not. But he does give a sh-t when it gets in the way of business.

When Jordan retired, the NBA's ratings dropped big time. Not to mention if you actually think about this logically, there is *zero* chance the NBA's sponsor's would ever allow this. Nike and McDonalds and Coca-Cola (Gatorade) would've thrown a friggin' hissy fit. We're talking multi-billion dollar corporations here. You're beyond naive if you don't understand this is how NBA business works.

It also doesn't make sense that they would only ban him for like a year and a half, lol. What's the point of that? The only party that suffered was the NBA and the Bulls organization. If anything, Jordan's departure came at a terrible time for the NBA, Stern was still basking in the glory of the '92 Dream Team and trying to grow the game globally. The '93 Finals IIRC had tremendous ratings.

[Courtside View]

:wtf: I highly doubt it was just the mafia that would have done it. It could have easily been some inner city drug dealers who wouldn't give a **** or think twice about killing someone over a small debt. These guys will kill each other over someone standing on their corner selling $40 bags of heroin. You think they won't gun someone down over a few grand?
They run a very different line of work than the organized italian mafia.

And all of that makes no sense. You're stating that they're willing to kill someone over a small debt, yet they can threaten the biggest and richest athlete in the world and would rather kill his father over pennies rather than trying to extort whatever they can?

Again there is no basis for this and the funniest thing is how Kobe Trolls will ignore Kobe's rape case, even though there certainly was evidence there (regardless of whether you believe it or not) but there is little to no evidence of the Jordan situation yet they want to act like it's fact, no question. It's a stupid agenda by stupid people.

Anyone can make up a story about some situation based on pretty much nothing. So because Jordan gambled............then that automatically means his father was killed because of it. That's a stretch.

[endandout]

What are your thoughts? Here is a guy who is supposedly the ultimate competitor and winner. We all know he always wanted to top Magic's five rings. Why would he retire after three? For a guy whose ego is massive I just don't think he'd stop before getting five. Gambling is always brought up, and I think it might have had something to do with it. It was like he was exiled or something. Do you think someone like MJ can lose his desire, as he put it?

To go bang your mom without a rubber so you could be born

[tpols]

And all of that makes no sense. You're stating that they're willing to kill someone over a small debt, yet they can threaten the biggest and richest athlete in the world and would rather kill his father over pennies rather than trying to extort whatever they can?

Again there is no basis for this and the funniest thing is how Kobe Trolls will ignore Kobe's rape case, even though there certainly was evidence there (regardless of whether you believe it or not) but there is little to no evidence of the Jordan situation yet they want to act like it's fact, no question. It's a stupid agenda by stupid people.

Anyone can make up a story about some situation based on pretty much nothing. So because Jordan gambled............then that automatically means his father was killed because of it. That's a stretch.
Pennies? 20k is not pennies to the average person. Back in the 90s that was 2/3 of somebodies yearly salary.:facepalm

Extortion? This isn't ****ing south america. That shit rarely works here and the FBI would catch them very quickly in a high profile case like this one.

I don't think it happened but some dumb ass black drug dealers could have easily shot his father over a debt. Stop minimizing the debts like they were nothing when were talking about guys who don't come into a lot of wealth (like inner city drug dealers) and when they do they protect it with their lives.

[Soundwave]

There's zero chance the Bulls organization, not to mention multi-billionaire dollar corporations with a massive stake in "the Jordan business" -- Nike, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, NBC ... would ever allow such a scenario to ever occur.

For a friggin' gambling debt? :oldlol: Nike would probably have just a cut a cheque for the debt themselves if that was the case.

On a PR "boo-boo" scale, gambling on things like golf and Atlantic City rates a pretty mild 5 out of 10 anyway. He didn't kill/rape/etc. anyone. No messy business in court, not celebrity rehab. No biggie really ... any competent PR rep could spin this in 5 minutes.

Beyond that the timing doesn't even make sense ... you're telling me they banned him for a period of time that exactly coincided with the baseball strike of '94? Yeeeeah. OK. If they were going to pick some silly arbitrary "ban" on MJ to "punish him" (even though really the NBA was the biggest loser from MJ's retirement) ... why would that ban be some odd period like 1 3/4 of a season?

It would've been probably 1 year flat, and then he could've come back at the start of the '94-'95 season ... but he didn't, he was still playing baseball at that time.

Face it, the guy wanted to play baseball, he wanted to get away from basketball, he wanted to get away from being "Michael Jordan". When he came back it was of his own accord and on his own terms. And the NBA was absolutely thrilled to have him back.

[BallinSinceBirf]

Some people around here have Jordan's nuts so deep down their throats that they can't see reality. The guy was ruthlessly petty, egotistical, and heartless. His father's murder was a direct result of his misconduct. Stop being naive. The guy was a douche who just happened to be the greatest basketball player of all time. Accept it and stop trying to make the man out to be a saint.

[Soundwave]

Some people around here have Jordan's nuts so deep down their throats that they can't see reality. The guy was ruthlessly petty, egotistical, and heartless. His father's murder was a direct result of his misconduct. Stop being naive. The guy was a douche who just happened to be the greatest basketball player of all time. Accept it and stop trying to make the man out to be a saint.

I don't think he was a saint. No one is a saint. And I don't give a sh-t if he was a saint or not. I think it's pretty damn cool that he was a bit of a bad ass to be honest than a clean cut p-ssy ala Clark Kent.

That said if you really examine this theory it's beyond retarded. If you think Nike and Coca-Cola and NBC and McDonalds and the Chicago Bulls that had hundreds of millions of dollars at stake would just let Stern get do this ... you're the one who's being naive.

Business is business. If this is how the NBA actually worked, Kobe Bryant would've been banned from the NBA at least until the end of court trial.

That was a far bigger PR nightmare for the NBA. Black NBA star accused of raping a white girl doesn't play well in middle America.

I suppose you also believe the ban on Jordan was magically just as long until the baseball strike, right? That's a hell of a coincidence. Stern must've had a magical crystal ball and foreseen the future. This is about as plausible as the plot of Transformers 2 minus Megan Fox's tatas.

[BallinSinceBirf]

I don't think he was a saint. No one is a saint. And I don't give a sh-t if he was a saint or not. I think it's pretty damn cool that he was a bit of a bad ass to be honest than a clean cut p-ssy ala Clark Kent.

That said if you really examine this theory it's beyond retarded. If you think Nike and Coca-Cola and NBA and McDonalds and the Chicago Bulls that had hundreds of millions of dollars at stake would just let Stern get do this ... you're the one who's being naive.

Business is business. If this is how the NBA actually worked, Kobe Bryant would've been banned from the NBA at least until the end of court trial.

That was a far bigger PR nightmare for the NBA. Black NBA star accused of raping a white girl doesn't play well in middle America.
I never said that Stern forced Jordan to retire. I only said that Jordan was responsible for his father being murdered.

And in what way was he "a bit of a bad ass"? Cuz it takes real guts to let an effin' addiction rule and ruin your life? Only ghetto tards consider doing stupidazz s**t "being badass". That's why they're ghetto. That's why they're nobodies.

[SuperPippen]

Some people around here have Jordan's nuts so deep down their throats that they can't see reality. The guy was ruthlessly petty, egotistical, and heartless. His father's murder was a direct result of his misconduct. Stop being naive. The guy was a douche who just happened to be the greatest basketball player of all time. Accept it and stop trying to make the man out to be a saint.

You're an idiot. What evidence do you have of MJ being, "ruthlessly petty, egotistical, and heartless"? Do you know him on a personal level? Have you ever even seen him in person?

Maybe he was a saint, maybe he wasn't. It doesn't matter. Nobody's claiming he's goddamn Mother Teresa. But he certainly wasn't any of the things that you said. You're just looking to belittle him in anyway you can, for some moronic reason. I'd rather have MJ's nuts down my throat than be an idiot making ludicrous statements.

[Soundwave]

I never said that Stern forced Jordan to retire. I only said that Jordan was responsible for his father being murdered.

And in what way was he "a bit of a bad ass"? Cuz it takes real guts to let an effin' addiction rule and ruin your life? Only ghetto tards consider doing stupidazz s**t "being badass". That's why they're ghetto. That's why they're nobodies.

It's his money. If he wants to blow it on golf bets or the black jack table or strippers on Sunset Ave. that's his prerogative. He earned that money, and if that's what he wants to do with it, so be it.

As far as boorish behavior by a famous person goes, MJ's "misdeeds" are relatively tame. I remember '93, and most of the "joe public" didn't even care one ioata about the gambling thing.

It was nothing compared to Magic saying he had AIDs or Kobe being accused of raping a white girl or other celebrity boo-boos of the time (see: Hugh Grant).

The whole thing about his father being murdered because of him ... is there actually any shred of evidence to back any of this? One would think that might've (oh .... I dunno) come out during the court trial. But then again, I guess fiction can be fun.

[tpols]

You're an idiot. What evidence do you have of MJ being, "ruthlessly petty, egotistical, and heartless"? Do you know him on a personal level? Have you ever even seen him in person?

Maybe he was a saint, maybe he wasn't. It doesn't matter. Nobody's claiming he's goddamn Mother Teresa. But he certainly wasn't any of the things that you said. You're just looking to belittle him in anyway you can, for some moronic reason. I'd rather have MJ's nuts down my throat than be an idiot making ludicrous statements.
Wait a second so if given the choice between:

a) having a large black male's sweaty nuts forcibly shoved into your mouth

or

b) making a dumb comment on a internet message board

You'd take the former?:wtf:

[Courtside View]

Some people around here have Jordan's nuts so deep down their throats that they can't see reality. The guy was ruthlessly petty, egotistical, and heartless. His father's murder was a direct result of his misconduct. Stop being naive. The guy was a douche who just happened to be the greatest basketball player of all time. Accept it and stop trying to make the man out to be a saint.

So a person has to think Jordan was a saint to not believe he had anything to do with having his father killed. It's either or right? That's so stupid it's self-evident to anyone with an IQ over 40.

Further, you know what? You come across ass a dickish troll by stating something as fact that has no evidence, and doesn't even make sense so because of that I think you rape puppies. I have no real evidence of this but it seems like the kind of thing someone like you would do.

That's basically the extent of your argument.

[LA_Showtime]

Uhh, yeah, I grew up in Brooklyn and I'm Italian - I've known quite a few mafia members in my day. And I can tell you for a FACT that no mob associate would ever just kill someone without making it clear that they were going to do so first. Maybe not explicitly about the father, but something like "don't make us have to come after your family" or some such.

Now, if it was some random drug dealer/gambler/thug or something that's different. But no one in the mob would pull something like that without trying to get their money first and making the threat clear.

LMAO. This is a new low. Stop acting like you know how the mafia operates. Just because you knew a buddy or two who might or might not have been a mafia member does not mean you know how they think. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

[Soundwave]

If it was a "mob hit job" they wouldn't

A.) Have used two dumb, skinny kids.

B.) Had those two skinny kids dick around the scene of the crime for several hours afterwards, take a joyride in the car, and do things like make phone calls that would be traced from Jordan Sr.'s cell phone.

It was two punk kids who saw an old man asleep in a nice Lexus and decided to rob him. Crime like this happens every day in America, unfortunately for MJ, on that day, it was his father.

But of course it's more interesting to tie it in to gambling debts, the Kennedy assassination, and the first moon landing.

People need to understand something ... sometimes ... sh-tty, non-conspiracy theories actually do happen to famous people. Not everything is an episode of CSI Miami or a crime novel.

[Courtside View]

If it was a "mob hit job" they wouldn't

A.) Have used two dumb, skinny kids.

B.) Had those two skinny kids dick around the scene of the crime for several hours afterwards and do things like make phone calls that could be traced from Jordan Sr.'s cell phone.

It was two punk kids who saw an old man in a nice Lexus and decided to rob him. Crime like this happens every day in America, unfortunately for MJ, on that day, it was his father.

But of course it's more interesting to tie it in to gambling debts, the Kennedy assassination, and the first moon landing.

People need to understand something ... sometimes ... sh-tty, non-conspiracy theories actually do happen to famous people. Not everything is an episode of CSI Miami.

These people don't even care about what makes sense, and what evidence there is. They don't even care if it's true or not. They're only interested in disparaging MJ, and tend to be trolls of a certain player. Then their favorite retort if you call them on their bullshyt is that "You think Jordan was a saint" and "have his d!ck in your mouth"

[Big#50]

If it was a "mob hit job" they wouldn't

A.) Have used two dumb, skinny kids.

B.) Had those two skinny kids dick around the scene of the crime for several hours afterwards, take a joyride in the car, and do things like make phone calls that would be traced from Jordan Sr.'s cell phone.

It was two punk kids who saw an old man asleep in a nice Lexus and decided to rob him. Crime like this happens every day in America, unfortunately for MJ, on that day, it was his father.

But of course it's more interesting to tie it in to gambling debts, the Kennedy assassination, and the first moon landing.

People need to understand something ... sometimes ... sh-tty, non-conspiracy theories actually do happen to famous people. Not everything is an episode of CSI Miami or a crime novel.
Mob use stooges a lot.

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Mob use stooges a lot.

The mob would try and kill the most famous man in North America's father by using two kids in their teens?

That makes sense to you?

Two kids like that would squeal like a pig in court under threat of the death penalty (which both of these dumb kids was facing).

Yeeeeah. OK. Sure. Why not bring in bin Laden and Bush family into the conspiracy plot while we're at it.

Not only that, but Stern could've hired a HIV positive hooker and tricked Magic into sleeping with her to get him out of the way too. It all makes perfect sense when you think about it.

[BigBalla44]

These people don't even care about what makes sense, and what evidence there is. They don't even care if it's true or not. They're only interested in disparaging MJ, and tend to be trolls of a certain player. Then their favorite retort if you call them on their bullshyt is that "You think Jordan was a saint" and "have his d!ck in your mouth"

This post is right on the money.

Its pretty hilarious that these jokes would do anything to tear a down a person just because most people put this guy over their boyfriend as a better bball player.

Personally, I believe their behavior reflects their generation. Enjoy America while you can bc its slowly going down the shitter. And when their generation takes over the country 25-35 years from now, that will be the final nail in the coffin.

And I say this as a 27-yr old.

[OldSchoolBBall]

LMAO. This is a new low. Stop acting like you know how the mafia operates. Just because you knew a buddy or two who might or might not have been a mafia member does not mean you know how they think. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

Did you grow up where I grew up? Didn't think so. I grew up in the largest Italian-American enclave in the United States (Bensonhurst, specifically 18th avenue), an area that was entirely mafia controlled up until the late 90's, and which still has significant mob influence (though not as much as other parts of Brooklyn now, like Bath Beach or Gravesend).

[LA_Showtime]

Did you grow up where I grew up? Didn't think so. I grew up in the largest Italian-American enclave in the United States (Bensonhurst, specifically 18th avenue), an area that was entirely mafia controlled up until the late 90's, and which still has significant mob influence (though not as much as other parts of Brooklyn now, like Bath Beach or Gravesend).

Whatever; you aren't in the mob, you have never been in the mob, and therefore you don't know how they operate. Just because you knew a guy doesn't mean you have the inside scoop.

[SuperPippen]

Wait a second so if given the choice between:

a) having a large black male's sweaty nuts forcibly shoved into your mouth

or

b) making a dumb comment on a internet message board

You'd take the former?:wtf:

Would I take metaphorical deep-throating over ignorance? Yes. Yes, I would.

[Soundwave]

Whatever; you aren't in the mob, you have never been in the mob, and therefore you don't know how they operate. Just because you knew a guy doesn't mean you have the inside scoop.

It takes about 2 minutes of researching the murder of James Jordan to figure out it very obviously was not a mob hit.

Not to mention the several other Mars-sized plot holes in this whole theory.

[LA_Showtime]

It takes about 2 minutes of researching the murder of James Jordan to figure out it very obviously was not a mob hit.

Not to mention the several other Mars-sized plot holes in this whole theory.

Did I say it was a mob hit? No. I'm arguing with troll boy because he thinks he knows how the MOB operates because he had one friend who MIGHT have been associated with 'em. :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

Did I say it was a mob hit? No. I'm arguing with troll boy because he thinks he knows how the MOB operates because he had one friend who MIGHT have been associated with 'em. :oldlol:

A 14 year old girl could tell you that's not how the mob operates.

It's called common sense.

[LA_Showtime]

A 14 year old girl could tell you that's not how the mob operates.

It's called common sense.

What the hell are you talking about? :oldlol: Nobody is saying it's a mob hit, you idiot.

[Soundwave]

What the hell are you talking about? :oldlol: Nobody is saying it's a mob hit, you idiot.

The whole theory is retarded and anyone who really can sit down and think about it and think it's true is a full-on retard.

That's all I'm saying. There are like a hundred plot holes with it.

[LA_Showtime]

The whole theory is retarded and anyone who really can sit down and think about it and think it's true is a full-on retard.

That's all I'm saying.

No shit. :oldlol: I hope to God that nobody thinks it's a MOB hit. Hell, it was two stupid ass kids who decided to fulfill their prophecy of becoming low life trash.

[Soundwave]

No shit. :oldlol: I hope to God that nobody thinks it's a MOB hit. Hell, it was two stupid ass kids who decided to fulfill their prophecy of becoming low life trash.

Not just that, but the whole Stern forcing Jordan to retire. If you really take 5 minutes to examine that, it becomes completely ridiculous.

Charles Barkley has even gone on record as saying he had a gambling problem, and probably gambled even more than Jordan did, yet the NBA didn't do anything there.

I mean hell, Charles Barkley even bets on live TV during TNT broadcasts with Kenny Smith, lol (all in fun, but still ... if Stern was that **** retentive about players gambling, he'd have had Barkley fired ages ago).

[LA_Showtime]

Not just that, but the whole Stern forcing Jordan to retire. If you really take 5 minutes to examine that, it becomes completely ridiculous.

Charles Barkley has even gone on record as saying he had a gambling problem, and probably gambled even more than Jordan did, yet the NBA didn't do anything there.

Barkley gets a free pass because the general public thinks he's an idiot.

[Soundwave]

Barkley gets a free pass because the general public thinks he's an idiot.

Jordan didn't need a pass, because the public didn't care whatsoever. The reaction from the general public was "yawn ... can we start the Bulls-Knicks game already?".

The NBA has dealt with far touchier situations with players in the past.

If anyone was ever "forced" to retire by Stern, it was Magic, and even that I really doubt.

Stern has one agenda -- making money for the NBA and the organizations and sponsors affiliated therein. That's it.

Not in a billion years would Stern willingly castrate his own TV ratings, merchandise revenue, overall revenue, and not to mention be able to even get away with it without getting killed himself by Nike, NBC, Coca-Cola, McDonalds (corporations that had millions and millions of dollars at stake) by forcing his golden goose to retire at the height of his career.

[LA_Showtime]

Jordan didn't need a pass, because the public didn't care whatsoever. The reaction from the general public was "yawn ... can we start the Bulls-Knicks game already?".

The NBA has dealt with far touchier situations with players in the past.

If anyone was ever "forced" to retire by Stern, it was Magic, and even that I really doubt.

Stern has one agenda -- making money for the NBA and the organizations and sponsors affiliated therein. That's it.

And yet, Stern has done nothing but bring down the quality of basketball. :banghead:

[KevinDurant4MVP]

A 14 year old girl could tell you that's not how the mob operates.

It's called common sense.
Smh. Breh. Learn something and think outside the box. Theres more to sh1t then what you see on the news an what momma tells you to help you sleep better at night


In February 1971, Joey Gallo was released from prison and the Colombo family again descended into chaos. On June 28 1971, at a League rally in Manhattan's Columbus Circle, Colombo was shot as he pushed through the crowd to get to the stage.[citation needed] The shooter, a young African-American man called Jerome Johnson, was killed immediately by Colombo's entourage. Colombo survived the shooting, but was left in a vegetative state. Gallo was suspected of organizing the hit due to his ties with the African-American criminal fraternity of Harlem. Gallo believed an alliance with the Harlem group would present the mob with new opportunities, but few others in the families shared this belief.

Feel dumb now kiddie? Its called distancing yourself.

[Soundwave]

Smh. Breh. Learn something and think outside the box. Theres more to sh1t then what you see on the news an what momma tells you to help you sleep better at night



Feel dumb now kiddie? Its called distancing yourself.

The mob is going to hire 2 teenagers to kill the most famous man's father in the Western world.

What happens when those two kids inevitably crack like little b-tches under the big lights of the court house (which did happen, btw ... they both snitched on each other like there was no tomorrow)?

The media even gets a whiff of the mob being connected to this thing, verified or not, and it would cast a big, wonking 24/7 spot light on any and every organization affiliated. Which I doubt any organized crime syndicate would want.

Again, even a 14 year old girl really looking at this objectively would find it to be a pretty freaking tall tale. This reads like a really badly-written episode of CSI.

[Soundwave]

And yet, Stern has done nothing but bring down the quality of basketball. :banghead:

"Quality" is a subjective term. The reason the NBA made so much money in the 90s is because Jordan's appeal was such that non-basketball fans -- women, "middle America", etc. became interested in watching the Bulls.

Not a chance in hell that Stern would ever willingly kill or mute such a massive revenue source, and even less of a chance in hell that the NBA's corporate sponsorship would even let him dream of doing so.

Stern would be forced out by other league owners and sponsors who had hundreds of millions to lose if this were the case.

If I were the Bulls organization or NBC or Nike I would sue Stern to the point where he'd be a homeless and destitute bum on the streets if he ever even tried to pull something like this. Not even out of loyalty to Jordan, but as simple business. A few gambling debts is small potatoes when millions and millions in TV ratings, unsold sneakers, merchandise, Big Macs, sports drinks, ad campaigns, etc. etc. are at stake.

Not to mention why on earth would Jordan willingly go along with such a ridiculous charade to begin with? All he'd have to do is just whisper that Stern was forcing him out and David Stern and the NBA by extension would've been facing a monstrous backlash from corporate sponsors and their own angry fan base. One 15-minute interview with Oprah and Jordan could sink Stern faster than the Titanic.

[KevinDurant4MVP]

The mob is going to hire 2 teenagers to kill the most famous man's father in the Western world.

What happens when those two kids inevitably crack like little b-tches under the big lights of the court house (which did happen, btw ... they both snitched on each other like there was no tomorrow)?

The media even gets a whiff of the mob being connected to this thing, verified or not, and it would cast a big, wonking 24/7 spot light on any and every organization affiliated. Which I doubt any organized crime syndicate would want.

Again, even a 14 year old girl really looking at this objectively would find it to be a pretty freaking tall tale. This reads like a really badly-written episode of CSI.

Why you keep saying famous like anybody knows what Jordans dad looks like ?

Why is the father of the most famous man in the world doing pulling over on the side of the road and sleeping instead of gettina hotel???
You belive that

And whether they crack or not it doesnt matter. Just in case you dont know there not going to send confirmation emails lol.

Its just a couple black kids playing the blame game.

And yeah the NBA would try to cover it u if something lead back to the MOB.

There cash cow jordan would turn into capital enemy number 1

Grow up Kid. Everything aint so simple

[Soundwave]

Why you keep saying famous like anybody knows what Jordans dad looks like ?

Why is the father of the most famous man in the world doing pulling over on the side of the road and sleeping instead of gettina hotel???
You belive that

And whether they crack or not it doesnt matter. Just in case you dont know there not going to send confirmation emails lol.

Its just a couple black kids playing the blame game.

And yeah the NBA would try to cover it u if something lead back to the MOB.

There cash cow jordan would turn into capital enemy number 1

Grow up Kid. Everything aint so simple

I'm saying inevitably any mobster or anyone who isn't a retard who is setting up the murder of someone like say James Jordan would understand that the media would jump on the story.

Why hire two incompetent teenagers to do it?

What happens if they blab in court (almost certain to happen)?

What happens when the cops/media trace all that back to you?

No one would execute a "hit job" like this. It's laughably amateurish even if the two kids are patsys. If they were tipped off by someone, they would've blabbed in court, because they sure as hell blabbed about everything else.

And the police and media is such a high profile murder would come sniffing.

BTW James Jordan was stopped at a rest stop, not just randomly parked on the side of the road. Not to mention if it was some pre-planned "hit", how the hell did they know where and when James Jordan would be at a particular rest stop, and knew it so far in advance that they could tip off two patsy kids to carry out the hit?

I mean ... at this point the story gets so convoluted that I'd expect the Men In Black and Bruce Willis' ghost from the Sixth Sense to show up.

[KevinDurant4MVP]

I'm saying inevitably any mobster or anyone who isn't a retard who is setting up the murder of someone like say James Jordan would understand that the media would jump on the story.

Why hire two incompetent teenagers to do it?

What happens if they blab in court (almost certain to happen)?

What happens when the cops/media trace all that back to you?

No one would execute a "hit job" like this. It's laughably amateurish even if the two kids are patsys. If they were tipped off by someone, they would've blabbed in court, because they sure as hell blabbed about everything else.

And the police and media is such a high profile murder would come sniffing.

BTW James Jordan was stopped at a rest stop, not just randomly parked on the side of the road. Not to mention if it was some pre-planned "hit", how the hell did they know where and when James Jordan would be at a particular rest stop, and knew it so far in advance that they could tip off two patsy kids to carry out the hit?

I mean ... at this point the story gets so convoluted that I'd expect the Men In Black and Bruce Willis' ghost from the Sixth Sense to show up.

Are you dumb?

Theres no phone calls no public meetings no traced they ever talked to the Mob.

SO how would it come back to them? They would just sounds like some delusional teenagers. You make it seem like they left a apaper trail.

The whole point of hiring blacks is so nothing get traced back.

Are you really that foolish.

You really believe he just decided to sleep at a rest stop when he was driving a porsche and the son of Michael Jordan? Come on kid.

You cant be that gullible.

Jordan has testified in gambling with know druglords and mobsters.

[guado]

there was a thread somewhere a few months back where someone said he worked at the united center and that some of the bulls employees knew about the imposed suspension, and he told a pretty descriptive story.

not saying it's true, but his story is a better read than anything here.

also, for anyone here saying it was probably a paltry sum that jordan/mcdonald's/gatorade/nike/rayovac/hanes/bugs bunny could've paid, its been said that jordan isn't good at paying debts, and word is that he prefers to give autographed merchandise away rather than pay a debt, saying it's better than money.

not saying it's true, but it's something that makes the story more intriguing.

[Manute for Ever!]

Why you keep saying famous like anybody knows what Jordans dad looks like ?


Just so you know, Jordan was that big that people did know was his parents looked like. If you want to see his old man, get a copy of the 'Come Fly With Me' video (1989), he's all through it. Shit, back in the day, my Grandmother would probably be able to recognise James Jordan on the street.

You clearly weren't a fully functioning human being back then (you barely seem to be one now) so don't pretend to know everything about something you were never able to cognitively acknowledge at the time.

[Soundwave]

Are you dumb?

Theres no phone calls no public meetings no traced they ever talked to the Mob.

SO how would it come back to them? They would just sounds like some delusional teenagers. You make it seem like they left a apaper trail.

The whole point of hiring blacks is so nothing get traced back.

Are you really that foolish.

You really believe he just decided to sleep at a rest stop when he was driving a porsche and the son of Michael Jordan? Come on kid.

You cant be that gullible.

Jordan has testified in gambling with know druglords and mobsters.


So how did they know where James Jordan would be and to specifically target him?

Did someone call them and tell them?

Or did they magically receive a signal from the stars?

It was a random robbery, in fact they weren't even supposed to kill the guy, one of the two took it two far and killed James Jordan.

This type of crime happens every day in America. Matter of fact it's probably happening somewhere in the US as I type this.

The whole concept of the "patsy" is that you KILL the f-cking patsy once the job is over and done with, so that they can't say sh-t to the cops afterwards (see: your own Gallo analogy). You don't let the patsy go get grilled by the cops and go through a full trial under the glare of the media.

[KevinDurant4MVP]

Just so you know, Jordan was that big that people did know was his parents looked like. If you want to see his old man, get a copy of the 'Come Fly With Me' video (1989), he's all through it. Shit, back in the day, my Grandmother would probably be able to recognise James Jordan on the street.

You clearly weren't a fully functioning human being back then (you barely seem to be one now) so don't pretend to know everything about something you were never able to cognitively acknowledge at the time.
Breh shut up you not even american.

Shaqs dad was all over T.v and you wouldnt even notice the guy in the streets. Looked like a regular black guy.

Ya grandma probably just wanted James Jordan cawk on her mouth

[Manute for Ever!]

Just thought I'd share this with you, too. In 2005, Jordan talked to Ed Bradley of the CBS evening show 60 Minutes about his gambling:
[QUOTE]One stain on Jordan

[Manute for Ever!]

Breh shut up you not even american.

Shaqs dad was all over T.v and you wouldnt even notice the guy in the streets. Looked like a regular black guy.

Ya grandma probably just wanted James Jordan cawk on her mouth

You just proved my point in three separate ways:

That was an incredibly immature reply. To make a judgement call on what happened in 1993, youd need to be at least around 25 years old. 25 year olds rarely write BS like you just did.
What's being from America got to do with anything when you are talking about a global icon?
Wouldn't it be easier to recognise a black guy in a predominately white country?

Wow, you're an idiot. :oldlol:

[tpols]

You just proved my point in three separate ways:

That was an incredibly immature reply. To make a judgement call on what happened in 1993, youd need to be at least around 25 years old. 25 year olds rarely write BS like you just did.
What's being from America got to do with anything when you are talking about a global icon?
Wouldn't it be easier to recognise a black guy in a predominately white country?

Wow, you're an idiot. :oldlol:
I'm not arguing for either side but it wouldn't be easier to recognize a black guy because cultures typically notice their own nuances and slight differences in facial structure and have a harder time with other cultures they don't see as often. Hence the 'all chinese people look alike,' 'all white people look alike,' etc...

[Soundwave]

Wasn't it one white kid and one black kid?

Either way, it doesn't matter.

They would've blabbed to high heaven that someone had contacted them and told them to kill someone at a rest spot (even if they didn't know who the target was), because they were staring down the death penalty as teenagers during the trial.

Hell, during the trial they both turned on each other and started snitching like crazy.

If they were mob patsies, they would've been dead before they even got to sniff a trial.

If you actually read about the case and don't make ridiculous assumptions like "doooodz, JOrdan knewz gagnsters and mafiasos. They prolly killed his dead. Real world is tough yo! Just like Gerand Theft Autoz on XBox!".

[Soundwave]

The guy is petty, egotistical, and all that?

So what?

He's also probably done more for and donated more to charity than you have despite being a "douche".

Common sense shows this whole theory is bunk, you don't have to like or dislike the guy to understand that.

And James Jordan stopped at a rest stop driving home from the funeral of a friend. He didn't just randomly stop on the side of the road to take a nap. According to his family, this wasn't unusual for James Jordan, he would stop at rest stops all the time on long drives rather than booking a hotel.

[Soundwave]

So what? So nothing. The whole point is that he IS petty, egotistical, "and all that". Thanks for agreeing.

You're also right that he probably has given more to charity than I have. Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of getting paid millions to throw a ball through a hoop like a trained chimp. I have to work a real man job.

And please tell me why Michael Jordan's father is driving around the country instead of flying? Couldn't spare the extra $20 to get his bag checked?

Yeah you're right. Rich people never drive anywhere. Why it's a shock that James Jordan didn't show up at the funeral of his friend (with whom he worked with at the General Electric plant for years) in a helicopter flanked by two supermodels.

Of course you also probably are aware of the irony of lambasting some else for being a douche bag while you yourself make allegations that are based on nothing factual and cut far beyond just a person's character, you're insulting their family and kicking a person during a tragedy.

A person like that ... you might even call them ... well a f-cking egotisical douchebag. I know I probably would.

Tell you what too -- when you can earn a corporation hundreds of millions of dollars because you're so talented at your job that millions of people want to watch you, maybe you can quit that "real man's job".

If you don't like the guy, say so. Don't stoop to the lowest form of bullsh-t you can find and start flinging that because person X wasn't nice enough or slighted you for an autograph or some garbage. A "real man" doesn't do that, a b-tch does.

[Soundwave]

LOL at you. Did I insult your idol? Maybe if your pops actually stuck around after knocking up your mom you wouldn't need to hang on some superstar baller's nuts for dear life.

The guy was paid to throw a ball in a hoop. Forgive me for not dropping down to my knees in worship. That's the problem with ghetto nicks like yourself. You idolize ballers and rap goons instead of people who make a real difference in the world. That's why you and your kind are stuck on street corners eating candy for breakfast and dreaming of whatever pair of kicks came out that week.

Lastly, I like Jordan... for what he is - the greatest basketball player of all time. I don't idolize him and hold him up as the father figure I never had. That's the difference between you and me.

I just think a person who takes a shot at someone else and accuses them of causing the murder of their own father when they have no real proof and very obviously don't even know sh-t about the case is a b-tch.

Doesn't matter if you accused MJ of that or just some regular joe off the street.

The behavior is that of what I would classify as a "b-tch". Because that's how I'd expect a "b-tch" to behave.

And lol, I haven't spent even five minutes in a "ghetto", in my life.

[Manute for Ever!]

I'm not arguing for either side but it wouldn't be easier to recognize a black guy because cultures typically notice their own nuances and slight differences in facial structure and have a harder time with other cultures they don't see as often. Hence the 'all chinese people look alike,' 'all white people look alike,' etc...

I was more referring to him being in Australia...

[KevinDurant4MVP]

Did this kid just say it was usual that Jordan's dad slept in a porsche at a rest stop instead of getting a hotel? :lol:


So naive

[Soundwave]

http://sports.jrank.org/pages/2390/Jordan-Michael-Related-Biography-Father-James-Jordan.html


James Jordan was in the habit of driving long distances overnight, stopping only for brief naps in his car, rather than staying in hotels. "Oh, I know he's stopped in Lumberton before," his brother, Gene Jordan, told Kevin Paul Dupont in the Boston Globe after James's death. "I'm sure he's pulled over at that exact spot before. A hotel room? That wasn't James, uhuh. After Michael's fame and everything, people used to ask him, 'Are you going to get a bodyguard? He'd laugh at that. Stopping at the side of the road was nothing for my brother. He didn't think anything of it. He figured he didn't have an enemy in the world."

Not enemies, but thieves took James Jordan's life as he napped in his car on a Lumberton, North Carolina roadside in the early morning hours of July 23, 1993. James Jordan was on his way home from the funeral of a former coworker at the General Electric plant where he used to work. After the killing shot to the chest, the thieves took off in James Jordan's car, later stripping it, and then dumping Jordan's body in a nearby creek, where it was found a week and a half later. Jordan would have turned 57 less than two weeks after the day he died. "The world's lost a good man," Gene Jordan told Dupont.

James Raymond Jordan was born on July 31, 1936 in rural North Carolina, the first child born to sharecropper William Jordan and his wife Rosa Bell Jordan. He began a career at General Electric in 1967, moving up to become a parts department manager. He retired from GE in the late 1980s, at which time the Jordan family moved from Wilmington, North Carlolina, where Michael Jordan grew up, to the suburbs of Charlotte, North Carolina.

Those who knew both James and Michael Jordan noted that Michael was very much like his father. Both had shaved heads, and both stuck their tongues out when concentrating on a difficult task—in Michael's case, when lining up a shot. Their handwriting was alike enough that many people couldn't tell them apart. Proud supporters of Michael Jordan's basketball playing from the beginning, James Jordan and his wife, Michael's mother Deloris, never missed a game Michael played in during his time at the University of North Carolina.

James Jordan was buried alongside his grandfather and parents in the graveyard of the Rockfish African Methodist Episcopal Church in Teachey, North Carolina. His tombstone reads simply, as reported by Dupont, "James Jordan, 1936-1993."


Or .... he was driving up down the highway waiting to get murdered by mob-hired patsies who then convienantly didn't utter a peep about being set up as patsies during a court trial even though they were facing the death penalty (do you understand the concept of internal logic?-- if you don't just nod politely, it'll save you from looking stupid). Gee, I wonder which theory is more far fetched.

Why do I get the feeling too that some people have never met anyone from North Carolina or the South/"country" either. James Jordan being "old school country" in this sense is hardly anything notable.

He was driving a four door Lexus, not a friggin' Porsche either.

[TheCorporation]

What are your thoughts? Here is a guy who is supposedly the ultimate competitor and winner. We all know he always wanted to top Magic's five rings. Why would he retire after three? For a guy whose ego is massive I just don't think he'd stop before getting five. Gambling is always brought up, and I think it might have had something to do with it. It was like he was exiled or something. Do you think someone like MJ can lose his desire, as he put it?

:lebronamazed:

[TheGoatest]

He was hoping that one of the teams he beat in a 7 game series would end up winning a ring at least 1 of those 2 seasons, in order to make his 90s competition not look like a public urinal some 25 years later. Instead his weak competition couldn't beat Hakeem with a #2 option who averaged 14 ppg on 38% in the playoffs, and he ended up making his competition look even worse, if that was possible. His retirement gamble failed, much like his casino table gambling.

[FireDavidKahn]

He's said before that he couldn't mentally handle it. Here's a direct quote of him saying so


Physically I was exhausted, but mentally I was way past exhausted,

Imagine if someone said something like this in today's NBA and decided to take a year off

[PeroAntic]

He had nothing more to prove. He got tired of winning. Has anyone been so good in a sport that he felt he needed to change to another sport just to challenge himself?

[TheCorporation]

He had nothing more to prove. He got tired of winning. Has anyone been so good in a sport that he felt he needed to change to another sport just to challenge himself?

:roll::roll: Cute. With 3 FMVPs eh?

So then does LeBron have nothing left to prove with 4?

[hateraid]

He had nothing more to prove. He got tired of winning. Has anyone been so good in a sport that he felt he needed to change to another sport just to challenge himself?

That's called being a slouch. You never stop improving.
Funny...Lebron says he's the best player of all time and gets crucified. But Jordan can say "he has nothing to prove" :lol
Talk about being hypocritical.

Whatever reason he did he was obviously in kahoots with the league to cover some damaging scandal.

[hateraid]

He's said before that he couldn't mentally handle it. Here's a direct quote of him saying so



Imagine if someone said something like this in today's NBA and decided to take a year off

This is called "load management". Except Jordan did it for a year and a half and went and played an entirely different sport. Lol

[SouBeachTalents]

That's called being a slouch. You never stop improving.
Funny...Lebron says he's the best player of all time and gets crucified. But Jordan can say "he has nothing to prove" :lol
Talk about being hypocritical.

Whatever reason he did he was obviously in kahoots with the league to cover some damaging scandal.
It’s seriously the biggest hypocrisy. I see people argue that LeBron “only” has 4 rings, but Jordan with 3 somehow has nothing more to prove :lol

[PeroAntic]

:roll::roll: Cute. With 3 FMVPs eh?

So then does LeBron have nothing left to prove with 4?

He beat three different teams in the finals IN A ROW, after coming out of the east each time. He pretty much beat everyone he could and no one even got close. I guess you were too young to see that kind of dominance.

Meanwhile Lebron still has more finals losses than wins. :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

He beat three different teams in the finals IN A ROW, after coming out of the east each time. He pretty much beat everyone he could and no one even got close. I guess you were too young to see that kind of dominance.

Meanwhile Lebron still has more finals losses than wins. :confusedshrug:


:lol Exactly what I thought you'd say. Caught your ass again.

[hateraid]

He beat three different teams in the finals IN A ROW, after coming out of the east each time. He pretty much beat everyone he could and no one even got close. I guess you were too young to see that kind of dominance.

Meanwhile Lebron still has more finals losses than wins. :confusedshrug:

I was in high school in the 90's.
And quitting after 3 championships is not a competitor. It's a quitter IF that's the reason you are claiming. Did Russell quit after winning 3? No...he went for 11.
If you actually believe what you posted don't play sports. People don't want to play with slouches

Finals losses has nothing to do with the topic. Being bored is by far the dumbest and laziest excuse for being a competitor.

[TheCorporation]

It’s seriously the biggest hypocrisy. I see people argue that LeBron “only” has 4 rings, but Jordan with 3 somehow has nothing more to prove :lol

Not to mention also having nearly EVERY playoff record imaginable.

[Hey Yo]

He's said before that he couldn't mentally handle it. Here's a direct quote of him saying so



Imagine if someone said something like this in today's NBA and decided to take a year off
Especially when they're in their prime.

[PeroAntic]

I was in high school in the 90's.
And quitting after 3 championships is not a competitor. It's a quitter IF that's the reason you are claiming. Did Russell quit after winning 3? No...he went for 11.
If you actually believe what you posted don't play sports. People don't want to play with slouches

Finals losses has nothing to do with the topic. Being bored is by far the dumbest and laziest excuse for being a competitor.
It depends on context, such as what is your peak relative to the competition.

My favorite football player was Ronaldinho, who was just an alien at his peak. He knew this so he just started partying and played lower than his potential. But when youre so good you can afford to do this.

IMO it just becomes pointless to stay at the same level for as long as its physically possible. Youre human not a machine, there are other things worth living for except for stockpiling accolades and satisfying fans.

[hateraid]

It depends on context, such as what is your peak relative to the competition.

My favorite football player was Ronaldinho, who was just an alien at his peak. He knew this so he just started partying and played lower than his potential. But when youre so good you can afford to do this.

IMO it just becomes pointless to stay at the same level for as long as its physically possible. Youre human not a machine, there are other things worth living for except for stockpiling accolades and satisfying fans.

So it's pointless staying in the sport you love making great money at your peak. So you quit because nothing left to prove? Says no competitive man EVER. And Jordan had the biggest ego imaginable. The context you're creating doesn't exist for competitors. Egomaniacs like Jordan who got rattled by a 16 year old OJ Mayo just doesn't get "bored".

[Elosha]

You poor souls whining about Jordan retiring after his father was murdered. I know it's hard for you to accept the Jordan could take two years off in 93-95, a year off from a broken foot, retire a second time, and still be way more accomplished than LeBron. So keep chirping away with your little troll attempts. The poster Soundwave already eviscerated every "argument" (way too charitable of a word) you are making earlier in this thread.

LeBron is an all-time great. Do you constantly have to drag him down by comparing him to the GOAT?

[hateraid]

You poor souls whining about Jordan retiring after his father was murdered. I know it's hard for you to accept the Jordan could take two years off in 93-95, a year off from a broken foot, retire a second time, and still be way more accomplished than LeBron. So keep chirping away with your little troll attempts. The poster Soundwave already eviscerated every "argument" (way too charitable of a word) you are making earlier in this thread.

LeBron is an all-time great. Do you constantly have to drag him down by comparing him to the GOAT?

No. It's diffusing and argument that defends quitting as being "bored". That is such a cop out excuse. He said it himself, he was mentally fatigued which shows he had a weakness. But thinking there is some sort of cover up scandal is not out of the question. It's bizarre to have a superstar quit in the prime of their career. Only die hard Stan would defend that.

[theman93]

Leave it to TheCorporation aka TheGoatest aka ElitePOWER23 aka Shooter to necro an 11 year old thread :lol

[Elosha]

No. It's diffusing and argument that defends quitting as being "bored". That is such a cop out excuse. He said it himself, he was mentally fatigued which shows he had a weakness. But thinking there is some sort of cover up scandal is not out of the question. It's bizarre to have a superstar quit in the prime of their career. Only die hard Stan would defend that.

:facepalm

[hateraid]

:facepalm

Great intellectual response! Denial is a quality that creates posts like this

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


No one knows exactly why Jordan retired.....

but we know for certain that he WOULDN'T have retired if he lost to Barkley in 93'.. He isn't taking his ball and going home after a loss in his prime.

this allows us to conclude that his unprecedented dominance and winning was at least one of the drivers for him retiring (no more challenges).

[Elosha]

Great intellectual response! Denial is a quality that creates posts like this

I'm not interested in debating with you because your arguments are so groundless. Jordan had his father murdered in the summer of 1993, one of the closest persons in his life. It had always been a dream of his father to see Jordan play baseball. I do not believe Jordan would have retired had this not occurred. It was a perfect storm of him having just completed a 3-peat and then wanting to experience something different and have a emotional catharsis by playing the sport his father wanted him to play after he was brutally murdered.

That's the truth, and all the other stupid trolling efforts are just that. So you can say whatever response you want, I won't respond any further. You have all repeatedly been in disproven this thread already.

[TheCorporation]

Leave it to TheCorporation aka TheGoatest aka ElitePOWER23 aka Shooter to necro an 11 year old thread :lol
Coach...

[hateraid]

I'm not interested in debating with you because your arguments are so groundless. Jordan had his father murdered in the summer of 1993, one of the closest persons in his life. It had always been a dream of his father to see Jordan play baseball. I do not believe Jordan would have retired had this not occurred. It was a perfect storm of him having just completed a 3-peat and then wanting to experience something different and have a emotional catharsis by playing the sport his father wanted him to play after he was brutally murdered.

That's the truth, and all the other stupid trolling efforts are just that. So you can say whatever response you want, I won't respond any further. You have all repeatedly been in disproven this thread already.

So other players don't suffer incredible losses? Jordan is the only one exempt from playing due to grieving?
My points are groundless because you suck Jordan's ***** so you'll deflect anything that makes sense. Calling him mentally weak and a quitter would be ok for anyone not named Jordan. In fact when he quit he didn't even mention his father other than to say he would play baseball. But wait! Baseball is not competitive so it's ok for Jordan. To enter a sport which would probably be MORE mentally taxing because he SUCKED.
So ****outtahere with using his daddy died as an excuse. When you grieve you go into isolation. Not play baseball!

[hateraid]

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Thread Cliffs


No one knows exactly why Jordan retired.....

but we know for certain that he WOULDN'T have retired if he lost to Barkley in 93'.. He isn't taking his ball and going home after a loss in his prime.

this allows us to conclude that his unprecedented dominance and winning was at least one of the drivers for him retiring (no more challenges).

Yeah he would of! Because according to everyone it's because his dad died! What an asshole he'd be to continue playing while his dad got murdered!
Lol. The flip flop with these Jordaneers is hilarious

[3ba11]

Yeah he would of! Because according to everyone it's because his dad died! What an asshole he'd be to continue playing while his dad got murdered!
Lol. The flip flop with these Jordaneers is hilarious


No one has ever asked Jordan what would've happened if he lost to Barkley because it was never considered - I bet that Jordan still has never considered what he would've done if he lost to Barkley...

But if he had lost, he would never have retired.. everyone knows this - it's intuitive, so one of these reporters should've asked him this by now.

[Elosha]

So other players don't suffer incredible losses? Jordan is the only one exempt from playing due to grieving?
My points are groundless because you suck Jordan's ***** so you'll deflect anything that makes sense. Calling him mentally weak and a quitter would be ok for anyone not named Jordan. In fact when he quit he didn't even mention his father other than to say he would play baseball. But wait! Baseball is not competitive so it's ok for Jordan. To enter a sport which would probably be MORE mentally taxing because he SUCKED.
So ****outtahere with using his daddy died as an excuse. When you grieve you go into isolation. Not play baseball!

Ad hominem attacks are childish, and your arguments are groundless. Everyone grieves differently. Have you ever had your father murdered? If not, shut up. You claim you are one of the older posters here but you are acting like a child.

[hateraid]

Ad hominem attacks are childish, and your arguments are groundless. Everyone grieves differently. Have you ever had your father murdered? If not, shut up. You claim you are one of the older posters here but you are acting like a child.

Yeah my dad was actually murdered. So shut up

Again it's groundless because you're a Jordaneer. You don't hold others to those same standards. And you ignore the fact Jordan's competitiveness and ego doesn't defer to any circumstance. But that to you is "groundless" lol

[hateraid]

No one has ever asked Jordan what would've happened if he lost to Barkley because it was never considered - I bet that Jordan still has never considered what he would've done if he lost to Barkley...

But if he had lost, he would never have retired.. everyone knows this - it's intuitive, so one of these reporters should've asked him this by now.

Then saying because his dad was murdered is invalid. So which is it?

Lol, 3ball going through mental gymnastics now.

[3ba11]

Then saying because his dad was murdered is invalid. So which is it?

Lol, 3ball going through mental gymnastics now.


If he lost in 93', he would've trudged forward in spite of his father just like any other athlete whose family member dies - they keep playing - they don't retire..

So the unprecedented winning and dominance gave him the luxury to retire... it was a confluence of factors and the unprecedented dominance/winning was the catalyst - it was required to retire because losing wouldn't be tolerated

[Elosha]

Yeah my dad was actually murdered. So shut up

Again it's groundless because you're a Jordaneer. You don't hold others to those same standards. And you ignore the fact Jordan's competitiveness and ego doesn't defer to any circumstance. But that to you is "groundless" lol

Sure dude whatever. You are devoid of logic. I wouldn't claim LeBron was a quitter if he quit if his mother was murdered. Or went to pursue a different sport as a way to cope. That is an absolutely horrific situation that nobody should use to detract from anyone's career choices.

[hateraid]

If he lost in 93', he would've trudged forward in spite of his father just like any other athlete whose family member dies - they keep playing - they don't retire..

So the unprecedented winning and dominance gave him the luxury to retire... it was a confluence of factors and the unprecedented dominance/winning was the catalyst - it was required to retire because losing wouldn't be tolerated

You're grasping at straws. Lol he was mentally weak. He would have just lost to Barkley again

[hateraid]

Sure dude whatever. You are devoid of logic. I wouldn't claim LeBron was a quitter if he quit if his mother was murdered. Or went to pursue a different sport as a way to cope. That is an absolutely horrific situation that nobody should use to detract from anyone's career choices.

Yet others can still play through those dramatic experiences? Again, Jordan is supposed to be this mentally tough ego maniac. So to suggest other things could play behind the scenes to force his retirement is completely valid. It's not groundless at all. You're just too close minded to want to accept it.

[Elosha]

Yet others can still play through those dramatic experiences? Again, Jordan is supposed to be this mentally tough ego maniac. So to suggest other things could play behind the scenes to force his retirement is completely valid. It's not groundless at all. You're just too close minded to want to accept it.

You're setting up a strawman argument. Having a beloved parent murdered is not grounds for saying someone playing sports, even an all-time great, is a "quitter" or "not a quitter." You do realize athletes are human beings, not robots blindly considering nothing but their all-time career statistics. Use a little common sense. If your father truly was murdered, you have my sincere sympathies, but the fact that you are taking this position makes me understandably skeptical.

[hateraid]

You're setting up a strawman argument. Having a beloved parent murdered is not grounds for saying someone playing sports, even an all-time great, is a "quitter" or "not a quitter." You do realize athletes are human beings, not robots blindly considering nothing but their all-time career statistics. Use a little common sense. If your father truly was murdered, you have my sincere sympathies, but the fact that you are taking this position makes me understandably skeptical.

You keep on focusing on this "beloved" family murder that anything reasonable is "strawman". I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but the fact you won't acknowledge that the other CAN be a possibility shows how naive you are.

[Elosha]

You keep on focusing on this "beloved" family murder that anything reasonable is "strawman". I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but the fact you won't acknowledge that the other CAN be a possibility shows how naive you are.

If you had read any biographies of Jordan around the time in the 90s/2000's, such as Bob Green's biography of Jordan in which his dad's death is discussed in detail, you'd know how vapid your arguments are. And If you have read it, I encourage you to go back and re-read it in detail to re-educate yourself.

Anyway, neither of us are going to convince the other, so this will be my last response.

[hateraid]

If you had read any biographies of Jordan around the time in the 90s/2000's, such as Bob Green's biography of Jordan in which his dad's death is discussed in detail, you'd know how vapid your arguments are. And If you have read it, I encourage you to go back and re-read it in detail to re-educate yourself.

Anyway, neither of us are going to convince the other, so this will be my last response.

Yes because all autobiography's are 100% accurate so let's take everything Pippen says as gospel

Again. You are very naive if you can't see the possibility of something behind the scenes. Maybe you need to be re-educated on human behavior. More people in this world would resort to dishonesty to protect their best interest.

[Elosha]

Yes because all autobiography's are 100% accurate so let's take everything Pippen says as gospel

Again. You are very naive if you can't see the possibility of something behind the scenes. Maybe you need to be re-educated on human behavior. More people in this world would resort to dishonesty to protect their best interest.

Well, I tried to have a mature conversation with you, but you've proven your ignorance time and again. Also it's not an autobiography, so once again you've proven your ignorance. As if Jordan had a motivation to lie about his father's death and the impact it made upon his decision to retire to make it look like he wasn't a "quitter." Literally no one thought that at the time and very few people do now except for agenda-driven fans like yourself. :facepalm

[hateraid]

Well, I tried to have a mature conversation with you, but you've proven your ignorance time and again. Also it's not an autobiography, so once again you've proven your ignorance. As if Jordan had a motivation to lie about his father's death and the impact it made upon his decision to retire to make it look like he wasn't a "quitter." Literally no one thought that at the time and very few people do now except for agenda-driven fans like yourself. :facepalm

If social media existed you would see the reaction he'd get for quitting.
Again, you are naive. Just accept it. You're sold on the grieving father but won't accept any legitimate argument against because your mind is slanted. You don't have the ability to critically think saw you scream strawman! Typical thought process of the weak minded.

[JBSptfn]

I think people who think that MJ wasn't suspended in secret should watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpNhCLWz0nc

[HoopsNY]

The docuseries proved that even before Jordan's father's death, he was contemplating retirement. The consistent off the court gambling woes, addiction, and subsequent criticism that he received became mired in his mental state, something coupled with the pressures of a 3-peat and being considered the greatest of all-time became too great to handle. The death of his father was the icing on the cake, and MJ seemed to have had it.

It's not an unfair assessment to say that his mental health was a major factor in his decision to retire in 1993. But by 1993, he had solidified himself in the eyes of players, coaches, all-time greats, fan base, and media, as the greatest of all-time, leaving nothing to prove. He also said this in his announcement.

I wouldn't say MJ was fragile. He had proven himself up to that point to be mentally strong on the court, and that's really all that mattered.

But it's clear that he was fried and needed a break.

[ClipperRevival]

The docuseries proved that even before Jordan's father's death, he was contemplating retirement. The consistent off the court gambling woes, addiction, and subsequent criticism that he received became mired in his mental state, something coupled with the pressures of a 3-peat and being considered the greatest of all-time became too great to handle. The death of his father was the icing on the cake, and MJ seemed to have had it.

It's not an unfair assessment to say that his mental health was a major factor in his decision to retire in 1993. But by 1993, he had solidified himself in the eyes of players, coaches, all-time greats, fan base, and media, as the greatest of all-time, leaving nothing to prove. He also said this in his announcement.

I wouldn't say MJ was fragile. He had proven himself up to that point to be mentally strong on the court, and that's really all that mattered.

But it's clear that he was fried and needed a break.

The people who didn't live through the MJ era don't realize just how FAMOUS MJ was. Kids think LeBron/Kobe was famous and MJ was at least double them, meaning he would be known in a far out landscape in Africa. He was in the tier of Ali, Michael Jackson, etc. Just a world wide known icon who felt the walls closing in.

He confirmed his greatness by 3 peating and his dad being murdered pushed him to the retirement edge.

[Baller789]

The people who didn't live through the MJ era don't realize just how FAMOUS MJ was. Kids think LeBron/Kobe was famous and MJ was at least double them, meaning he would be known in a far out landscape in Africa. He was in the tier of Ali, Michael Jackson, etc. Just a world wide known icon who felt the walls closing in.

He confirmed his greatness by 3 peating and his dad being murdered pushed him to the retirement edge.

Lebron and Kobe are popular. But are nowhere near as popular as Jordan during his time.

Heck you could still see how much more Jordan shoes are sold over Kobe's and Lebron's.

[3ba11]

If social media existed you would see the reaction he'd get for quitting.
Again, you are naive. Just accept it. You're sold on the grieving father but won't accept any legitimate argument against because your mind is slanted. You don't have the ability to critically think saw you scream strawman! Typical thought process of the weak minded.


Most people on social media would've been worshipping his unprecedented dominance (41 ppg) and winning (3-peat), and they would defend Jordan against attacks on him quitting

Most people worship stars and unprecedented dominance and make excuses for them

[hateraid]

Most people on social media would've been worshipping his unprecedented dominance (41 ppg) and winning (3-peat), and they would defend Jordan against attacks on him quitting

Most people worship stars and unprecedented dominance and make excuses for them

Shat world do you live in? Jordan would be seen in the same light as Floyd Mayweather. He's a polarizing asshole. You are a socially inept child. You wouldn't understand

[Baller789]

Shat world do you live in? Jordan would be seen in the same light as Floyd Mayweather. He's a polarizing asshole. You are a socially inept child. You wouldn't understand

Nah. Floyd is through and through an antagonist. Jordan was a baby faced a- hole. I don't recall as many people (proportionally) hating on Mike during his time.

The problem with all your agenda driven posts is that you are presenting your opinions as facts when the documented evidences say otherwise.

[2much_knowledge]

:roll::roll: Cute. With 3 FMVPs eh?

So then does LeBron have nothing left to prove with 4?

Lebron quote, im chasing that ghost. MJ wasn't chasing no one. Bird and magic were the standart and none achieved a three peat. Simple

[DevBooker'sMask]

Lebron quote, im chasing that ghost. MJ wasn't chasing no one. Bird and magic were the standart and none achieved a three peat. Simple

mj was chasing the ghost of his father playing baseball

[Baller789]

mj was chasing the ghost of his father playing baseball

This ain't even funny dude.

[PP34Deuce]

Honestly I believe he was burnt out. Even in the last dance he talked about being burnt out.

I think he did the baseball thing not just cuz of his dad but cause he had an ego. He was a subpar baseball player. Came back got knocked out against the magic and was facing the new generation. Got back in shape and proceeded to lead a bulls team to a 3 peat with the last title being very fortunate for them.

As far as gambling..I think there's a lot of point sharing even to this day. Basketball is entertainment...you want pure ball you'd be watching college ball or wnba.

[Chick Stern]

He either QUIT, or was SUSPENDED.
Anything else is just mythmaking.

[3ba11]

Honestly I believe he was burnt out. Even in the last dance he talked about being burnt out.





Yeah but he wasn't injured - he wasn't physically incapable of playing.

He simply retired out of luxury/complacency because if he'd lost to Barkley, he would've trudged forward and kept playing just like 11' Kobe or 14' Wade after their failed 3-peat attempts.

[insight]

He either QUIT, or was SUSPENDED.
Anything else is just mythmaking.

It doesn't have to be a binary choice why Jordan chose to leave basketball. At the time it happened it was NO MYSTERY. His father was tragically murdered and he said it was his fathers dream for him to play pro baseball. He never was suspended, and he is not the first athlete to walk away from the game during their prime. Exp Jim Brown, Barry Sanders.

[Hey Yo]

Honestly I believe he was burnt out. Even in the last dance he talked about being burnt out.

I think he did the baseball thing not just cuz of his dad but cause he had an ego. He was a subpar baseball player. Came back got knocked out against the magic and was facing the new generation. Got back in shape and proceeded to lead a bulls team to a 3 peat with the last title being very fortunate for them.

As far as gambling..I think there's a lot of point sharing even to this day. Basketball is entertainment...you want pure ball you'd be watching college ball or wnba.

He definitely was spent. Only 7 full consecutive seasons then needed to load manage.

That shitty stamina isn't GOAT worthy.

[hateraid]

Nah. Floyd is through and through an antagonist. Jordan was a baby faced a- hole. I don't recall as many people (proportionally) hating on Mike during his time.

The problem with all your agenda driven posts is that you are presenting your opinions as facts when the documented evidences say otherwise.

Lol, says the guy who speculates about steroids in the NBA! Sit your ass down hypocrite

[Baller789]

Lol, says the guy who speculates about steroids in the NBA! Sit your ass down hypocrite

https://i.ibb.co/kVTYxkf/images-6.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
hateraid (https://dedupelist.com/)
:roll:

[kawhileonard2]

He either QUIT, or was SUSPENDED.
Anything else is just mythmaking.


No, He got Covid just like Lebron and his family.

[Baller789]

Maybe Jordan got pregnant?

[Axe]

He either QUIT, or was SUSPENDED.
Anything else is just mythmaking.
It's the latter.

[SATAN]

LeBron James.

[Nowoco]

I think people who think that MJ wasn't suspended in secret should watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpNhCLWz0nc

I watched 2 minutes of this trash and these conspiracy nobodies were already giving it the "my brother used to do security for the Bulls and he heard..." and "Rod Thorn was drunk one time and confessed to a friend of mine..."

Give me a ****ing break :facepalm

[JBSptfn]

I watched 2 minutes of this trash and these conspiracy nobodies were already giving it the "my brother used to do security for the Bulls and he heard..." and "Rod Thorn was drunk one time and confessed to a friend of mine..."

Give me a ****ing break :facepalm

It wasn't someone's brother. A co-worker of Brian's said that his mom was Jerry Reinsdorf's secretary, and she said that MJ had several meetings with Reinsdorf about having to go away. And, it wasn't Rod Thorn. It was his son.

[hateraid]

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What are you, 14? Good one!

[HighFlyer23]

From the apparent,

His dad was murdered ... Some say that Jordans gambling debts were the motive behind his homicide ... We cannot confirm or deny this ... But we do know his dad wanted Jordan to play baseball so Jordan likely felt compelled to play in memory of his father
...

Clearly he was not going to stay in baseball while he was still in his physical prime and after he achieved so much success in basketball