Derrick Rose with a 3 point.....

[juju151111]

shot best PG in the league question?

[OneMoreSucka]

Still would rather have Williams or Paul

[juju151111]

Still would rather have Williams or Paul
By the end of next season you all will be changing your tunes.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He'd be the best scoring PG, but he's already the best scoring pg. Where he really needs to improve is as a floor general, both decision-making and passing. And if he ever uses his athletic ability on d he'll be a monster. But as of right now, he reminds me of young Marbury.

[joshwake]

shot best PG in the league question?
wow, can't argue with that logic.

[juju151111]

He'd be the best scoring PG, but he's already the best scoring pg. Where he really needs to improve is as a floor general, both decision-making and passing. And if he ever uses his athletic ability on d he'll be a monster. But as of right now, he reminds me of young Marbury.
They use to drift back and leaving him open from 3. This will lead to his teammateds getting more open shots, when they have to give him respect the arc. Easier lanes for his teammates too. The decision making will come with experience.

[Undisputed]

It's going to take Rose longer than this season to really be a 3 point threat. I expect his shot to come along; just not as quickly as fans(like myself) would hope. If Derrick can increase his assist output, defend on a consistent basis, and drain three's...then he'd be the best point guard in the league. It's not all about his shooting to be the best point guard. He has a lot of growing to do.

[whatever666]

No... once Derrick Rose manages 10 apg with his 20 ppg then we can talk.

[juju151111]

No... once Derrick Rose manages 10 apg with his 20 ppg then we can talk.
Why does he need to avg 10 asts? He could avg 23 and 8 and be the best PG.

[Angelsaurus Rex]

shot best PG in the league question?

:facepalm

And like others have said, he needs to work on being more of a floor general and a leader, he's already a great scoring PG.

[The_Yearning]

Giving both D-Rose and Rajon a shot and Rondo would still be the better PG.

[juju151111]

Giving both D-Rose and Rajon a shot and Rondo would still be the better PG.
Drose already has the midrange shot and already better then Rondo. The only competition is CP3 and DW.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Drose already has the midrange shot and already better then Rondo. The only competition is CP3 and DW.
Coach K doesn't seem to agree with you.

[whatever666]

Why does he need to avg 10 asts? He could avg 23 and 8 and be the best PG.

20 ppg with 6 apg is just bad.... to average 6 apg with 37 MPG as a PG dominating the ball is bad.... 6 apg with 30 ppg is acceptable, but with 20 ppg you should be able to get 10 apg since 20 ppg means you have time enough to get 10 apg...

When a SF can average more assists and more points than you all at once (like Lebron last season ~30 ppg and ~9 apg) then you AINT the best PG.... Nash, CP3 at least manage with around 20 ppg humongous amount of assists 10+++ apg.

Thing is i dont consider a PG one of the best if he cant average 10 apg either....

If he doesnt average 10 apg, that means one of these 2:

1. He is more of a scoring PG (i dont consider a scoring PG a PG, but more of a SG who plays PG)

2. He aint a good playmaker enough...

3. He simply aint good enough to average at least 20 ppg and 10 apg

[Yung D-Will]

Drose already has the midrange shot and already better then Rondo. The only competition is CP3 and DW.
Cp3, D-Will > Rose
Rondo> Rose

[Undisputed]

Coach K doesn't seem to agree with you.
You really can't go by that. FIBA basketball and NBA basketball is different.

[Yung D-Will]

You really can't go by that. FIBA basketball and NBA basketball is different.

It's funny cause Bulls fans were telling us we'll see who's the better player once Rose starts

[Real Men Wear Green]

You really can't go by that. FIBA basketball and NBA basketball is different.
It's still basketball. If Rose is as far ahead of Rondo as posters like juju believe then he should start over him regardless of the setting. And really, think about why Rondo is starting. It's because he does a better job running the offense and pressuring the opposing pg. These are important factors regardless of the league or level played at.

[drwax26]

Why do we go through this OVER AND OVER? Yung D-Will is gonna hate as usual on any D -Rose thread can we just put this to rest. If we really want to know who is better look at head to head production. If we want to compare apples to apples in rondos 2nd year in the league he gave you 10 and 5. Rose in his second year gave you 20 and 6. So if you compare them by their years so far Rose is better. If you compare them now Rondo is maybe more a complete PG but then again he is the WORST Shooting PG in the league! So lets just see how the season plays out and i cant wait until they face each other this year so Rose can show you who is better.

[Yung D-Will]

Why do we go through this OVER AND OVER? Yung D-Will is gonna hate as usual on any D -Rose thread can we just put this to rest. If we really want to know who is better look at head to head production. If we want to compare apples to apples in rondos 2nd year in the league he gave you 10 and 5. Rose in his second year gave you 20 and 6. So if you compare them by their years so far Rose is better. If you compare them now Rondo is maybe more a complete PG but then again he is the WORST Shooting PG in the league! So lets just see how the season plays out and i cant wait until they face each other this year so Rose can show you who is better.




What does a second year have to do with who's better now?

Rose was better then Nash in his second year. Then Nash had two mvp seasons at age 30.


And you must have thought Jason Kidd was garbage with his lack of a jumpshot

[Andrei89]

Why does he need to avg 10 asts? He could avg 23 and 8 and be the best PG.


because he is supposed to be the best PG in the league not the best player

that's what you said. Make up your damn mind

he can score 40 ppg and average 5 apg and he is still not the best PG in the league


Rondo is a better PG than Rose

Rose is a better player than Rondo

capiche?

[drwax26]

What does a second year have to do with who's better now?

Rose was better then Nash in his second year. Then Nash had two mvp seasons at age 30.


And you must have though Jason Kidd was garbage


Did you not see i said who i said maybe was better now as well? Reading is fundamental...

[Yung D-Will]

Like Derrick Rose Improving his scoring will make him the best point guard.

Scoring should be the least of Derrick's focus right now.

[tpols]

What does a second year have to do with who's better now?

Rose was better then Nash in his second year. Then Nash had two mvp seasons at age 30.


And you must have thought Jason Kidd was garbage with his lack of a jumpshot
Lol Jkidd had a decent shot. He was way better than rondo at that aspect. The only reason his numbers dipped is because every team he was on in his prime he was the team's first scoring option and he wasn't the best scorer.

[baseketball4life]

nope, not even

[Pharcyde]

It's funny cause Bulls fans were telling us we'll see who's the better player once Rose starts
Bulls fans = 1-2 people. I remember the thread you are talking about.

[Pharcyde]

he can score 40 ppg and average 5 apg and he is still not the best PG in the league



What?

[Lebron23]

He needs to improve his defense if he wants to become a top 3 PG in the NBA next season.

I can see Rose averaging 24 ppg, 8 apg, and 1.9 spg.

[97 bulls]

During us basketaball, has rose shown signs of an improved 3 pt shot?

[97 bulls]

It's still basketball. If Rose is as far ahead of Rondo as posters like juju believe then he should start over him regardless of the setting. And really, think about why Rondo is starting. It's because he does a better job running the offense and pressuring the opposing pg. These are important factors regardless of the league or level played at.
I also feel that its the situation. The US national team has plenty of scoring. Rondo start for defense.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

What?
Don't even respond to him, he's a moron.

[BarberSchool]

Deron Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Derrick Rose with a great 3-point shot

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

And yeah, give me Rose over Rondo any day, three-point shooting or not. Rose can lead an atrocious team to the playoffs. Rondo got his stats pumped by the big 3, but Rose worked for them by himself.

...And let's not forget that Rose has dedicated the first half of his summer to practice, and only practice. Rondo? He won't improve one bit next season. he may average 12/10/7 or whatever, but he won't improve.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I also feel that its the situation. The US national team has plenty of scoring. Rondo start for defense.
That's a large reason but it's not the only reason. With all of those scorers you want your point guard to stick to decision-making, with his own offense as an afterthought. And that's normally the case on elite teams in general, they want their point guard to be running the offense and getting it to the scorers in their spots, not trying to beat the world by himself. Making his teammates better, not scoring a ton of points. The aspect of the game where Rose is better, scoring, isn't what most good teams want their pg to focus on. How useful is Rose's "superiority" when any real Contender he might ever be on will probably want him to play pass-first?

[Real Men Wear Green]

And yeah, give me Rose over Rondo any day, three-point shooting or not. Rose can lead an atrocious team to the playoffs. Rondo got his stats pumped by the big 3, but Rose worked for them by himself.

...And let's not forget that Rose has dedicated the first half of his summer to practice, and only practice. Rondo? He won't improve one bit next season. he may average 12/10/7 or whatever, but he won't improve.
Why can't Rondo improve? In case you didn't notice, Rondo has been steadily getting beter every season himself. And people that keep talking about how Rondo was made by the "Big 3" ignore the fact that they've had some of their lowest scoring seasons ever while he's continued to rise.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Why can't Rondo improve? In case you didn't notice, Rondo has been steadily getting beter every season himself. And people that keep talking about how Rondo was made by the "Big 3" ignore the fact that they've had some of their lowest scoring seasons ever while he's continued to rise.
He will improve STAT wise, but he won't improve SKILL wise.
Rose, however, is going to improve both ways. He's devoted to practice, practice, practice.

And to whoever said Rondo is better because he's starting on the U.S team- Notice how Rose played better COMING OFF THE BENCH then Rondo did AS A STARTER during the China scrimmage? It's not like Coach K can't change his mind and switch the two..

[Blue.Legend]

You really can't go by that. FIBA basketball and NBA basketball is different.

That's funny, I recall people saying that Rondo, a non-shooting point guard would have a huge disadvantage with FIBA setting. Rose fans specifically mentioned he wouldn't even make it past the first cut.

Now that he is starting over Rose, they move the goal post once again.

Interesting.

[Yung D-Will]

That's funny, I recall people saying that Rondo, a non-shooting point guard would have a huge disadvantage with FIBA setting. Rose fans specifically mentioned he wouldn't even make it past the first cut.

Now that he is starting over Rose, they move the goal post once again.

Interesting.

Exactly.

[Reverend Hoops]

Slashing Rose > 3 pt chuck Rose

[Yung D-Will]

He will improve STAT wise, but he won't improve SKILL wise.
Rose, however, is going to improve both ways. He's devoted to practice, practice, practice.

And to whoever said Rondo is better because he's starting on the U.S team- Notice how Rose played better COMING OFF THE BENCH then Rondo did AS A STARTER during the China scrimmage? It's not like Coach K can't change his mind and switch the two..

So Rondo couldn't possibly improve the only weakness to his game. And Develop a jumpshot. O wait I forgot no one's ever done that before.

Just like Tony Parker didn't develop a jumper at age 27. And Just like Lebron didn't develop a jumpshot after 5 years.

But Of Course

It's impossible for Rondo to improve

Why aren't you guys banned?

And Lmfao at Rose outplaying Rondo.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He will improve STAT wise, but he won't improve SKILL wise. LOL. Again, how do you know? You act like Rose is the only player in the league that works on his game.

And to whoever said Rondo is better because he's starting on the U.S team- Notice how Rose played better COMING OFF THE BENCH then Rondo did AS A STARTER during the China scrimmage? It's not like Coach K can't change his mind and switch the two..
SO? Who played better vs. France? And who has Coach K consistently been starting? It's hard to buy Rose being so far ahead of Rondo like some of his fans want to believe when he can't take the starting job away.

[Blue.Legend]

He will improve STAT wise, but he won't improve SKILL wise.
Rose, however, is going to improve both ways. He's devoted to practice, practice, practice.

And to whoever said Rondo is better because he's starting on the U.S team- Notice how Rose played better COMING OFF THE BENCH then Rondo did AS A STARTER during the China scrimmage? It's not like Coach K can't change his mind and switch the two..

You are a horrible poster. If you want to convince people Rose is better, you shoudn't make foolish statements such as this.

When Rose was running with Team USA, he was suppose to be more effective than Rondo because all year, Rose-fans have been saying playing with great player produce better stats. Therefore Rose would surely produce better stats with Team USA.

THis hasn't happened. In fact coach K let Rondo start ahead of Rose, because Rose is unable to run such a high level team. He has the ball in his hand all the time and can score, but he simply cannot use his teammates effectively.

[GiveItToBurrito]

They use to drift back and leaving him open from 3. This will lead to his teammateds getting more open shots, when they have to give him respect the arc. Easier lanes for his teammates too. The decision making will come with experience.

Yup yup. He'll also be a more effective pick and roll player, too, if there's the chance of him stepping back for the extra point.

By the way, I don't think this has been emphasized enough - Boozer is the perfect pick and roll partner for Rose. Can shoot and open driving lanes for him, sets great screens, and he doesn't rely on finishing above the rim meaning that Rose doesn't have to throw alley oops.

[GiveItToBurrito]

I still think Chris Paul is a lot better, Williams is a bit better. Rose still isn't efficient, I think just getting the will to create contact at the rim and get to the line more - something he could actually learn from watching old Starbury clips - would be just as good for his efficiency, which is what's really keeping him from being an all-NBA caliber player as opposed to just being one of the best pgs.

[talk at ya]

And yeah, give me Rose over Rondo any day, three-point shooting or not. Rose can lead an atrocious team to the playoffs. Rondo got his stats pumped by the big 3, but Rose worked for them by himself.

...And let's not forget that Rose has dedicated the first half of his summer to practice, and only practice. Rondo? He won't improve one bit next season. he may average 12/10/7 or whatever, but he won't improve.

OK you're acting like Rose has been working his ass off while Rondo has been only partying/vacationing/LeBroning this entire Summer. First off all, Rondo had an extra month to his season where he was gaining playoff experience, plus I've read articles that Rondo has been working on his game and especially his free throws, and he's obviously working out with Team USA. Yeah, Rose has been working hard this summer, but so has Rondo.

[Go Getter]

I still think Chris Paul is a lot better, Williams is a bit better. Rose still isn't efficient, I think just getting the will to create contact at the rim and get to the line more - something he could actually learn from watching old Starbury clips - would be just as good for his efficiency, which is what's really keeping him from being an all-NBA caliber player as opposed to just being one of the best pgs.

How is Rose not efficient? He shoots a high% and doesn't turn the ball over a lot.

Nash leads the league in passes stolen almost every year and people don't take that into account when ranking him.

[GiveItToBurrito]

How is Rose not efficient? He shoots a high% and doesn't turn the ball over a lot.

Nash leads the league in passes stolen almost every year and people don't take that into account when ranking him.

Compared to Williams, he's not. He shoots a decent percentage, but he doesn't take threes or get to the line very much. He's not 2009 Baron Davis inefficient, but Rose (53% true shooting percentage) isn't in the same class as CP3 (58% true shooting percentage) and Williams (57% true shooting percentage). His turnover rate is solid, but I think some of that comes from being more of a scorer than a pure point, which was basically a necessity considering how few other options he had.

[Go Getter]

Compared to Williams, he's not. He shoots a decent percentage, but he doesn't take threes or get to the line very much. He's not 2009 Baron Davis inefficient, but Rose (53% true shooting percentage) isn't in the same class as CP3 (58% true shooting percentage) and Williams (57% true shooting percentage). His turnover rate is solid, but I think some of that comes from being more of a scorer than a pure point, which was basically a necessity considering how few other options he had.

Not taking a lot of threes is good in my book and scoring PG or. not you can't knock a good turnover rate.


I dont put too much stock in true shooting% it's unfair to those who choose not to shoot threes.

[juju151111]

It's still basketball. If Rose is as far ahead of Rondo as posters like juju believe then he should start over him regardless of the setting. And really, think about why Rondo is starting. It's because he does a better job running the offense and pressuring the opposing pg. These are important factors regardless of the league or level played at.
Jason kidd wasn't better then cp3 or DW, but he started. Starting doesn't mean much. Lets see who he puts in in the clutch.

[Yung D-Will]

Yung D will in every DR thread. I am starting to wonder if ur a fan.

I like watching great players play and D-Rose classifies as a great player.
I just hate retarded homers like you.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Idk, isn't Rose more turnover prone than DWill or Paul? Also he's an average passer for a PG... with a 3 point shot, Rose is like a more athletic prime Chauncey Billups which is nasty...

[Real Men Wear Green]

Jason kidd wasn't better then cp3 or DW, but he started. Starting doesn't mean much. Lets see who he puts in in the clutch.
Who got more pt? And do you realize that Kidd started for entirely different reasons?

[Yung D-Will]

Yung D will in every DR thread. I am starting to wonder if ur a fan.
I think I can find a post where you said D-Rose would be starting over Rondo because he's a better player

[juju151111]

I think I can find a post where you said D-Rose would be starting over Rondo because he's a better player
When did i say that?

[wang4three]

His shot is not holding him back as much as his under developed playmaking skills. Honestly, his future may be at the 2 if he wants to improve his shot before his passing game.

[The_Yearning]

Derrick Rose to me looked liked he worked on parts of his game this offseason to be even more of an offensive threat this upcoming year.

You can tell he has gotten a lot stronger with his upperbody strength and obviously his J is more wet.

Sadly, none of this will make him more effective as a PG then he already is.

[juju151111]

His shot is not holding him back as much as his under developed playmaking skills. Honestly, his future may be at the 2 if he wants to improve his shot before his passing game.
He has to get a 3pt shot and how do u actually work on passing?

[Real Men Wear Green]

He has to get a 3pt shot and how do u actually work on passing?
Rajon Rondo has had a PSP since his rookie season. The Celtic coaching staff make videos for him of game film that he watches on it all the time. Like a QB, he uses this film study to better predict how opposing defenses will react to the various Celtic sets. Throw in some good court vision and passing skills and you can get yourself some assists.

[me_]

you cant just give rose a "free" skill/talent then say he would be the best.

In fairness if you hypothetically give rose a 3-point shot then you should give his competion somthing as well

Nash+improved defence > Rose+3point
Rondo+midrange game > Rose+3point
CP3+:confusedshrug: > Rose+3point

etc.

[The Next Jordan]

He has one now, now what?

[creamanshrimp]

He has one now, now what?
and a legit one

[Vince15]

nicebump

[Nash-tastic]

He needs to improve his defense if he wants to become a top 3 PG in the NBA next season.

I can see Rose averaging 24 ppg, 8 apg, and 1.9 spg.

With a career average of 0.8 spg? :eek:

[bokes15]

With a career average of 0.8 spg? :eek:
Give him a break. Other than steals dude was almost right on the money. 25ppg/7.9apg before tonights game.

[Glide2keva]

No... once Derrick Rose manages 10 apg with his 20 ppg then we can talk.
30 and 11 tonight.

[TheMiz]

D.Rose is the best point guard in the game, deal with it CP3 and D-Will fans. He can be the first superstar PG to lead his team to a ring.

[SinJackal]

D. Rose was high fiving fans tonight after hitting that tough game tying 3pt shot to send it into OT. Epic.

[creamanshrimp]

D. Rose was high fiving fans tonight after hitting that tough game tying 3pt shot to send it into OT. Epic.
great guy real class act

[The Next Jordan]

The thing I like the most about D-Rose is that he's one of those guys like Kevin Durant. All about basketball. No joking around on the court, no games, just ballin.

[Batz]

Sending the game into OT and then taking over to eventually win. That's mother****ing beast.

[Glide2keva]

great guy real class act
Hater

[Rose]

Sending the game into OT and then taking over to eventually win. That's mother****ing beast.
yeahhhhhh!:banana:

[creamanshrimp]

Hater
notsureifsrs.jpg

[Glide2keva]

30 points, 11 assists, 7 rebounds, 5 steals.

Stop it, stop it!!!!!

[dee-rose]

Come on guys, let's get real here. Rose has a chance to surpass these guys this year but you can't discredit that they've proven they're the best.

1. cp3/d-will
2. d-will/cp3
3. Rose
4. Rondo/Westbrook

[The Next Jordan]

You really think that CP3 is having a better season that D-Rose? If you're really watching this season, as of RIGHT NOW it's definitely:

1. D-Will
2. D-Rose (it's close though)
3. CP3
4. Rondo/Westbrook

[dee-rose]

Honestly, no. Cp3 isn't having a great season right now. He started off strong but he's been a little inconsistent but I still can't deny that he's better then Rose, just based off what I know. Manu is having a better season then Wade so far, that doesn't mean I don't know that Wade is the better player. As far as I'm concerned he's still leading a bunch of scrubs that should be in the D-league to the playoffs.

[jasonresno]

Rose is the LeBron of PGs minus the shitty attitude.

And to blame Rose for his lack of FT attempts is absolutely laughable and completely unfair. The dude had 30 pts tonight, attacking inside until the 4th quarter, and got no calls even though he was constantly getting banged around. The guys calling the game on WGN did a slo mo on a couple of his plays where he missed the shot after penetrating and they actually could count the multiple fouls that weren't called.

Anyways. Rose + Boozer = at least 10 APG, one of the best teams in the East, and a Rose MVP caliber season.

Book it. Quote me here. I'll leave ISH forever if he isn't in the tops of the discussion at the end of the year.

[The Next Jordan]

Rose is the LeBron of PGs minus the shitty attitude.

And to blame Rose for his lack of FT attempts is absolutely laughable and completely unfair. The dude had 30 pts tonight, attacking inside until the 4th quarter, and got no calls even though he was constantly getting banged around. The guys calling the game on WGN did a slo mo on a couple of his plays where he missed the shot after penetrating and they actually could count the multiple fouls that weren't called.

Anyways. Rose + Boozer = at least 10 APG, one of the best teams in the East, and a Rose MVP caliber season.

Book it. Quote me here. I'll leave ISH forever if he isn't in the tops of the discussion at the end of the year.
:facepalm :rolleyes: What a bold prediction. As if he isn't already in the MVP discussions.

[jasonresno]

:facepalm :rolleyes: What a bold prediction. As if he isn't already in the MVP discussions.
Because holding up production for 16 games is the same as for 82.

You really don't work hard to earn all of that negative reputation, do you? The retardation comes naturally?

[Glide2keva]

Rose is the LeBron of PGs minus the shitty attitude.

And to blame Rose for his lack of FT attempts is absolutely laughable and completely unfair. The dude had 30 pts tonight, attacking inside until the 4th quarter, and got no calls even though he was constantly getting banged around. The guys calling the game on WGN did a slo mo on a couple of his plays where he missed the shot after penetrating and they actually could count the multiple fouls that weren't called.

Anyways. Rose + Boozer = at least 10 APG, one of the best teams in the East, and a Rose MVP caliber season.

Book it. Quote me here. I'll leave ISH forever if he isn't in the tops of the discussion at the end of the year.
I've seen Rose get knocked on his ass and no fouls were called. It's like refs are jealous of him or something. With the amount of times he was attacking the rim tonight for him to get not one free throw is a joke and the refs should be fired.

They were giving the rockets a Congo line to the charity stripe. Four fouls with 10:24 left to play in the third was completely laughable. Since they were getting beat on the floor, I guess they figured they would help them out at the line. What a joke.

Rose and other bulls players were getting hacked and nothing was done about it.

[Profound]

I understand that he can contort his body and make almost any impossible shot easy but goddamn give the guy his calls how can a slasher like him not get at least a few free throw attempts.

[97 bulls]

I've seen Rose get knocked on his ass and no fouls were called. It's like refs are jealous of him or something. With the amount of times he was attacking the rim tonight for him to get not one free throw is a joke and the refs should be fired.

They were giving the rockets a Congo line to the charity stripe. Four fouls with 10:24 left to play in the third was completely laughable. Since they were getting beat on the floor, I guess they figured they would help them out at the line. What a joke.

Rose and other bulls players were getting hacked and nothing was done about it.
Rose gets no love. Especially for a guy that attacks the basket as much as he does

[BarberSchool]

You really think that CP3 is having a better season that D-Rose? If you're really watching this season, as of RIGHT NOW it's definitely:

1. D-Will
2. D-Rose (it's close though)
3. CP3
4. Rondo/Westbrooknah dude, CP3's efficiency tells the tale....plus Rose still isn't making the plays for others like he needs to. He's scoring alot, and he's the best finishing PG ever...better than Robert Pack even....:lol ....but he's not a better POINT GUARD than CP3....D-Rose is a rapidly evolving slasher...who if he puts in 2 more summers shooting 3's and pick and roll pullups like he did this off-season, he'll be some vision and defense away from being Deron Wiiliams.

[BarberSchool]

I understand that he can contort his body and make almost any impossible shot easy but goddamn give the guy his calls how can a slasher like him not get at least a few free throw attempts.Because of these very words you typed...get it ?

[Doranku]

Damn, that shot was sick. Interested to see how Chicago's doing in a couple months with Boozer more in tune with the offense.

If they can get their shit in sync, they might be able to give Miami a tough series if they end up meeting in the playoffs. Still don't see them beating Boston, though.

[talamo]

Because holding up production for 16 games is the same as for 82.

You really don't work hard to earn all of that negative reputation, do you? The retardation comes naturally?

:lol

[A.R.T]

great shot, but terrible defense

nice elevation by rose on the jumper though

[Nash-tastic]

I dont watch much Bulls games but Rose is an aggresive player, why isn't he getting to the free throw line more often? Do the refs hate him like they hate Melo?

[Mr Clutch Melo]

30 points, 11 assists, 7 rebounds, 5 steals.

Stop it, stop it!!!!!

on 28 shots :rolleyes: He is good but inefficient.

[Glide2keva]

on 28 shots :rolleyes: He is good but inefficient.
Obvious cop out is obvious. That efficiency crap is just that, crap. So what he had a lot of shot attempts, it was in an effort to win the game, dumbass. He also had 11 assists.

Haters love to say he isn't efficient when they have nothing else to Hardin him for. Get the **** out of here with that bullshit.

He was also 4 of 6 from three, hate on that.

[Glide2keva]

nah dude, CP3's efficiency tells the tale....plus Rose still isn't making the plays for others like he needs to. He's scoring alot, and he's the best finishing PG ever...better than Robert Pack even....:lol ....but he's not a better POINT GUARD than CP3....D-Rose is a rapidly evolving slasher...who if he puts in 2 more summers shooting 3's and pick and roll pullups like he did this off-season, he'll be some vision and defense away from being Deron Wiiliams.
It's obvious you don't watch games. Rose does a great job of setting up his teammates. They don't convert open opportunities, that's not his fault. It seems like it pains you guys to give him ANY kind of props.

Dude had 11 assists, 7 rebounds, 5 steals and a block to go along with his 30 points, so he was getting it done on the offensive and defensive end. What else does he need to do?

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Obvious cop out is obvious. That efficiency crap is just that, crap. So what he had a lot of shot attempts, it was in an effort to win the game, dumbass. He also had 11 assists.

Haters love to say he isn't efficient when they have nothing else to Hardin him for. Get the **** out of here with that bullshit.

He was also 4 of 6 from three, hate on that.

Stupid homers cant get Roses dick out their mouths :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nobody said he was a bad player, he is just inefficent in terms of shooting/scoring. We all know that you can dominate a game besides scoring and we know that Rose is capable of doing that. Just not as good as D-Will anD CP3 and they are more efficent scorers and playmakers/passers.

[Harrison_Barnes]

He is definitely one of the top pgs in the league.. Hes been playing like a mad man lately.

[Yung D-Will]

Stupid homers cant get Roses dick out their mouths :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nobody said he was a bad player, he is just inefficent in terms of shooting/scoring. We all know that you can dominate a game besides scoring and we know that Rose is capable of doing that. Just not as good as D-Will anD CP3 and they are more efficent scorers and playmakers/passers.
I don't think anyone was honestly implying Rose is as good or nearly as good as D-Will/Cp3 as passers.

I mean the other night D-Will had a double double at the end of the first half :lol

[Yung D-Will]

He is definitely one of the top pgs in the league.. Hes been playing like a mad man lately.
This.

[blondie]

Coach K doesn't seem to agree with you.
What are you talking about, Rose made Team USA as a starter and Rondo didn't even make the final 15 losing out to Curry, Rose and Westbrook and EG

[Glide2keva]

I don't think anyone was honestly implying Rose is as good or nearly as good as D-Will/Cp3 as passers.

I mean the other night D-Will had a double double at the end of the first half :lol
Deron has guys that will convert. Rose is a very good passer, I think he gets underrated for that part of his game. I've seen him make some tough passes in traffic or from the top of the key. His teammates don't convert open opportunities half the time.

His 11 assists could've easily been 15 had his mates made some of thoseopen looks he got them off of his penetration. He's got guys like Bogans and Korver not making baskets. Go look at some of the passes he was throwing in the WBC. dude was sick with it.

[Glide2keva]

What are you talking about, Rose made Team USA as a starter and Rondo didn't even make the final 15 losing out to Curry, Rose and Westbrook and EG
That's an old post you're replying to.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

I don't think anyone was honestly implying Rose is as good or nearly as good as D-Will/Cp3 as passers.

I mean the other night D-Will had a double double at the end of the first half :lol

Not in this thread but I've seen some Bulls fans claim so :oldlol:

[Glide2keva]

Stupid homers cant get Roses dick out their mouths :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nobody said he was a bad player, he is just inefficent in terms of shooting/scoring. We all know that you can dominate a game besides scoring and we know that Rose is capable of doing that. Just not as good as D-Will anD CP3 and they are more efficent scorers and playmakers/passers.
Seriously? What else does he have to do?

[Yung D-Will]

Deron has guys that will convert. Rose is a very good passer, I think he gets underrated for that part of his game. I've seen him make some tough passes in traffic or from the top of the key. His teammates don't convert open opportunities half the time.

His 11 assists could've easily been 15 had his mates made some of thoseopen looks he got them off of his penetration. He's got guys like Bogans and Korver not making baskets. Go look at some of the passes he was throwing in the WBC. dude was sick with it.


Korver not making baskets? =X

Lol and I didn't say he wasn't a very good passer, he is. I just don't think anyone here is realisticlly gonna imply he's on the same level as D-Will/Cp3 in that area of his game right now.

Deron's passing abilty dosen't have to do with the people around him. In fact because of this offense he's probally plays off the ball more than any other star point guard and still gets people easy looks when he's playing the two guard. His court vision and passing abilty is just amazing. It's dosen't matter who he's on the floor with, He gives Fesenko the biggest stiff on the team easy looks when he's on the floor ( And he still converts it because he puts everyone including the rookies in a position to score so easy that a d-leauger could finish)and that doesn't have anything to do with finishing abilty( Lol fes). People would rather have him score than create for his teamates. Which is how I think most defenses play Deron and Chris. Their most dangerous aspect is their playmaking

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Seriously? What else does he have to do?

Draw more fouls and become a better passer/playmaker.

[Yung D-Will]

And D-Will's 16 assist could have easilly been 20+ if Raja wasn't ice cold.

People miss things happen. You just have to put them in a position where it's impossible to miss.

[nightprowler10]

Draw more fouls and become a better passer/playmaker.

I'm a Rose fan and even I'll agree he has the potential of being a much better playmaker than he's shown, he definitely under-performs in that aspect, but I've not missed a single Bulls game this year and I'm telling you the refs will not call fouls for him unless its blatant. The guy gets slapped around while driving and refs just ignore it. Its simply ridiculous. Last night was not unique in that respect.

[Glide2keva]

I'm a Rose fan and even I'll agree he has the potential of being a much better playmaker than he's shown, he definitely under-performs in that aspect, but I've not missed a single Bulls game this year and I'm telling you the refs will not call fouls for him unless its blatant. The guy gets slapped around while driving and refs just ignore it. Its simply ridiculous. Last night was not unique in that respect.
That's what I'm saying.

His playmaking is just fine. His mates just need to convert. He's gotten guys open layups and dunks right at the rim, and they miss them more often than not.

As far as drawing fouls, there's nothing he can do if the refs won't call the fouls. I don't want him screaming like a girl or flopping just to get a foul.

Rose is called upon to score when the team isn't making shots. He looks to set his teammates up more than people who don't watch games give him credit for. He has mutliple double figure assist games this year, so it's not like he isn't looking to set his mates up.

[Yung D-Will]

That's what I'm saying.

His playmaking is just fine. His mates just need to convert. He's gotten guys open layups and dunks right at the rim, and they miss them more often than not.

As far as drawing fouls, there's nothing he can do if the refs won't call the fouls. I don't want him screaming like a girl or flopping just to get a foul.

Rose is called upon to score when the team isn't making shots. He looks to set his teammates up more than people who don't watch games give him credit for. He has mutliple double figure assist games this year, so it's not like he isn't looking to set his mates up.
We're giving him credit.

Deron is called upon to score when his team isn't making shots, But he uses that same aggressiveness when he's looking to score to set his teamates up at the same time because of the preesure he's putting on the defense because he's in attack mode.

I don't think anyone here claimed he isn't looking to set up his teamates-

[Mr Clutch Melo]

We're giving him credit.

Deron is called upon to score when his team isn't making shots, But he uses that same aggressiveness when he's looking to score to set his teamates up at the same time because of the preesure he's putting on the defense because he's in attack mode.

I don't think anyone here claimed he isn't looking to set up his teamates-

Well said:applause:

And Rose needs to start offensive-flopping , he needs to look at how Kevin Martin draws fouls.

[Glide2keva]

We're giving him credit.

Deron is called upon to score when his team isn't making shots, But he uses that same aggressiveness when he's looking to score to set his teamates up at the same time because of the preesure he's putting on the defense because he's in attack mode.

I don't think anyone here claimed he isn't looking to set up his teamates-
He's doing a great job of playmaking.

His mates are just now starting to convert open layups. Derrick puts the team on his back, gets them open shots, layups, dunks, so I don't know what else he has to do.

People seem to look for things to detract from his game.

Rose is just as aggressive as any other player in the league.

[Glide2keva]

Well said:applause:

And Rose needs to start offensive-flopping , he needs to look at how Kevin Martin draws fouls.
That's the thing I don't want him doing, becaause that isn't basketball. That's especially not how we play in Chicago. We man up. But the refs have to do their jobs, call the fouls when they see them and stop this swallowing the whistle bullshit.

[Yung D-Will]

He's doing a great job of playmaking.

His mates are just now starting to convert open layups. Derrick puts the team on his back, gets them open shots, layups, dunks, so I don't know what else he has to do.

People seem to look for things to detract from his game.

Rose is just as aggressive as any other player in the league.

No one is trying to detract anything from his game :banghead:

[Glide2keva]

No one is trying to detract anything from his game :banghead:
So clutch melo calling him inefficient isn't taking away from his game?

[Yung D-Will]

So clutch melo calling him inefficient isn't taking away from his game?
I don't know about any of that. That's between you and clutch

But saying he's not the same level as D-Will/Cp3 as playmakers isn't insulting his game.

[tpols]

these bulls fans/rose homers are ****ing insane.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

That's the thing I don't want him doing, becaause that isn't basketball. That's especially not how we play in Chicago. We man up. But the refs have to do their jobs, call the fouls when they see them and stop this swallowing the whistle bullshit.

I agree but this is how the league is and that is how you get to the line. Even the biggest stars does this.

[Pharcyde]

these bulls fans/rose homers are ****ing insane.

The "Rose haters" are even worse because they maybe see 2-3 games a year and decide they know how good of a player he is.

I'm just going to say this, people will knock Rose down for not "making his teammates better" because his passing isn't elite. But he does make his entire team better through his play making and ability to score. The Bulls offense would be nowhere without him.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

So clutch melo calling him inefficient isn't taking away from his game?

So Roses game is perfect ? God dammit you Bulls fans can be annoying:banghead:

[Pharcyde]

Not in this thread but I've seen some Bulls fans claim so :oldlol:

No you haven't.

[Pharcyde]

So clutch melo calling him inefficient isn't taking away from his game?

He doesn't have a high TS% which does make him inefficient. But for people to try and act like that's what separates him from being elite is just lying to themselves. If he had a 58+ TS% he would be the best player in the league.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

No you haven't.

Yes i have, just look at the 8484455445445455 thrads made this season about pointguards

[Yung D-Will]

No you haven't.
BullsAj



Not on this forum but he is the greatest homer I've ever seen back on Nabd . He claims Rose is like an all-star defender and like the greatest passer. I think he's recently signed up here to.

[Yung D-Will]

No you haven't.
BullsAj



Not on this forum but he is the greatest homer I've ever seen back on Nabd . He claims Rose is like an all-star defender and like the greatest passer. I think he's recently signed up here to.

[lilbeastnani]

Rose is a playmaker... Say it with me. p-l-a-y-m-a-k-e-r. That's why it's hard to compare him to dudes like D-Will and CP3. Those guys can score but they are really pure pg's like Steve Nash and J-Kidd. That's why all those who say "he still isn't passing as he needs to" or "he's still not averaging double digit assists." The fact of the matter is, he's a scorer plain and simple, and passing is an attribute he's really good at rather than it just being his natural tendency to look for the pass. He pretty much has the same skill set as lets say a Bron or a Wade except with full time point guard responsibilities. So take it for what it's worth. He's a hybrid and therefore the comparisons will always be fuzzy.

[Pharcyde]

Yes i have, just look at the 8484455445445455 thrads made this season about pointguards

That's a negative.


BullsAj



Not on this forum but he is the greatest homer I've ever seen back on Nabd . He claims Rose is like an all-star defender and like the greatest passer. I think he's recently signed up here to.

I don't really venture outside of here and RealGM.

[Glide2keva]

He doesn't have a high TS% which does make him inefficient. But for people to try and act like that's what separates him from being elite is just lying to themselves. If he had a 58+ TS% he would be the best player in the league.
TS is a stat I don't care about. I look at games and see what's happening on the floor.

That tells me everythig I need to know.

[Duranthebest]

Best PG in the East without question. DRose is unbelievable.

[dee-rose]

Come on, is anyone really trying to suggest Rose is better then CP3/D-will? I love me some Rose and the dude had an amazing game, but he's not on their level yet. D-will and CP3 are still much better shooters and passers then Rose and play better D. I can't believe I actually have to downplay what Rose does on the court... as for his inefficiency, that's really just because refs don't give him any respect. Someone that slashes like he does needs to get to the line more.

[Pointguard]

Draw more fouls and become a better passer/playmaker.

This drawing more fouls thing is definitely not a priority. It is a major joke to suggest that any point guard is penetrating and getting to the rim more than Derrick Rose. Then on top of that, DRose is superior at finishing in traffic to any other point guard. There is no need for him to wait to get hit. You try to get hit when you suck and can't finish - this is certainly not DRose's case. In the playoffs Drose will get hit on his drives to the baskets. It would be retarded to try to force contact in the beginning of a marathon.

[TheTruth11]

I am willing to say that Rose is right there at the top. Meaning, you can't really say who is better between Rose, Williams or CP3. Rose is right at the top with those guys.

If you watch him game in and game out, he is a pure winner. Rose finds ways to get his team the victory.... often willing them to victory. In addition, Rose does so many things better than Williams or CP3. Things that those other guys will never be able to do. And those guys may do a few things slightly better than Rose. Thus, it all evens out. Add in the fact that the guy is a world class athlete you are a talking about a special, unique player that has to be considered among the best in the game.

And it is only get better. Dude is only 22. He was killing the 3 point shot last night and that dunk with the left hand was just nasty:bowdown: Add in Boozer and watch those assist totals go up as well.

Rose is right there at the top.

There.... I said it

[Yung D-Will]

I am willing to say that Rose is right there at the top. Meaning, you can't really say who is better between Rose, Williams or CP3. Rose is right at the top with those guys.

If you watch him game in and game out, he is a pure winner. Rose finds ways to get his team the victory.... often willing them to victory. In addition, Rose does so many things better than Williams or CP3. Things that those other guys will never be able to do. And those guys may do a few things slightly better than Rose. Thus, it all evens out. Add in the fact that the guy is a world class athlete you are a talking about a special, unique player that has to be considered among the best in the game.

And it is only get better. Dude is only 22. He was killing the 3 point shot last night and that dunk with the left hand was just nasty:bowdown: Add in Boozer and watch those assist totals go up as well.

Rose is right there at the top.

There.... I said it

:no: If you honestly belive you can't say who's better between D/Wll/Cp3 and Rose there's something wrong

[emsteez forreal]

wow, you guys really underrate derrick. ****ing ridiculous. remember, we're only 3 seeds behind boston when we JUST got boozer back, off the circus trip, carried by derrick the whole way.

[Yung D-Will]

wow, you guys really underrate derrick. ****ing ridiculous. remember, we're only 3 seeds behind boston when we JUST got boozer back, off the circus trip, carried by derrick the whole way.

What does thatt mean?

The Bucks just got Bougut Back
The Laker have yet to get Bynum Back
UtaH has yet to get Okur back
Miami has yet to get Miller or Haslem back
Portland has yet to get Oden Back


Injuries happen and to a lot of teams who are still overrachiving

We won 50 games that season when Booze was injured. It happens.

[Pointguard]

Come on, is anyone really trying to suggest Rose is better then CP3/D-will? I love me some Rose and the dude had an amazing game, but he's not on their level yet. D-will and CP3 are still much better shooters and passers then Rose and play better D. I can't believe I actually have to downplay what Rose does on the court... as for his inefficiency, that's really just because refs don't give him any respect. Someone that slashes like he does needs to get to the line more.

He's different... and not necesssarily worse. They can't get to their spots like DRose can, they can't finish like DRose can, they can't eliminate an defender like Rose can. Rondo was not the playmaker CP3 and Deron were last season: This year, they aren't the playmake he is... something happens after the 4th year where you mentally have command of what the offense is trying to accomplish. DRose seems like he will be acelerated because he's been in the post-season earlier. In the postseason, DRose has played at superstar level already.

On the playmaking aspect DRose doesn't have the same structure or finishers as the other point guards do. Its a hard mix and match. But he definitely does several things better than they do and they definitely do several things better than he does.

[Pointguard]

I am willing to say that Rose is right there at the top. Meaning, you can't really say who is better between Rose, Williams or CP3. Rose is right at the top with those guys.

If you watch him game in and game out, he is a pure winner. Rose finds ways to get his team the victory.... often willing them to victory. In addition, Rose does so many things better than Williams or CP3. Things that those other guys will never be able to do. And those guys may do a few things slightly better than Rose. Thus, it all evens out. Add in the fact that the guy is a world class athlete you are a talking about a special, unique player that has to be considered among the best in the game.

And it is only get better. Dude is only 22. He was killing the 3 point shot last night and that dunk with the left hand was just nasty:bowdown: Add in Boozer and watch those assist totals go up as well.

Rose is right there at the top.

There.... I said it

Yeah and you said it right!

[Chicago Brawls]

The hype is real.

[Glide2keva]

dude is a troll, so you can't take him seriously.

[tpols]

What does thatt mean?

The Bucks just got Bougut Back
The Laker have yet to get Bynum Back
UtaH has yet to get Okur back
Miami has yet to get Miller or Haslem back
Portland has yet to get Oden Back


Injuries happen and to a lot of teams who are still overrachiving

We won 50 games that season when Booze was injured. It happens.
Out of the good teams you listed, okur, miller, and bynum are all not as impactful to their respectful teams as boozer will be. He's the clear cut second option on the bulls team where as those guys are simply roleplayers.

And rose has the physical attributes that niether cp3 or dwill will ever have. he's quicker, faster, and can jump higher. He is a much better physical specimen. Once his game/skills develop to an elite level(over next two years) he will easily be better than them, and honestly right now I don't think either of those guys would be doing any better with this bulls team than rose is doing right now.

[Yung D-Will]

Out of the good teams you listed, okur, miller, and bynum are all not as impactful to their respectful teams as boozer will be. He's the clear cut second option on the bulls team where as those guys are simply roleplayers.

And rose has the physical attributes that niether cp3 or dwill will ever have. he's quicker, faster, and can jump higher. He is a much better physical specimen. Once his game/skills develop to an elite level(over next two years) he will easily be better than them, and honestly right now I don't think either of those guys would be doing any better with this bulls team than rose is doing right now.


Bogut is the best player on his team, Arguably a top 3 center in the Nba.
Okur causes the most matchup problems on defense when he's in Utah's starting lineup.

Bynum's length when added to Gasol's length makes the Lakers frontcourt absolutly unstopable.

In 08 Boozer only played 37 games and we ended the season with 48 wins.

The point is no team is gonna play with a fully healthy lineup all year. It's the Nba injuries happen, you have to win regardless.

Well you can say the exact same thing about Westbrook/Wall.

It's always been clear that elite pg's with athletism have a higher potential than players like D-Will/Paul.
It's just rare that people reach that potential instead of relying on their athletism which will eventually run out.

That's the reason why Jason Kidd/Steve Nash are two of the greatet pg's to play the game of basketball yet few of these athletic beast have been able to mimic their success

[Rose]

this thread got off topic quick

[Hulk Hogan]

20 ppg with 6 apg is just bad.... to average 6 apg with 37 MPG as a PG dominating the ball is bad.... 6 apg with 30 ppg is acceptable, but with 20 ppg you should be able to get 10 apg since 20 ppg means you have time enough to get 10 apg...

When a SF can average more assists and more points than you all at once (like Lebron last season ~30 ppg and ~9 apg) then you AINT the best PG.... Nash, CP3 at least manage with around 20 ppg humongous amount of assists 10+++ apg.

Thing is i dont consider a PG one of the best if he cant average 10 apg either....

If he doesnt average 10 apg, that means one of these 2:

1. He is more of a scoring PG (i dont consider a scoring PG a PG, but more of a SG who plays PG)

2. He aint a good playmaker enough...

3. He simply aint good enough to average at least 20 ppg and 10 apg

OWNED!!!!

Derick Rose: 26ppg, 8apg.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

Wow im seeing alot of rose haters here. First it was his jumpshot, then his 3pt range, now its his assists? And he's in the top 10? Come on, I think some people are nitpicking. Not to mention that his second best scorer (deng) is only shooting 41%.

Iwonder what's gonna be the knock on him once he starts getting his fair share of fouls called and avgs double figure assts? I remember before the season started, people were predicting his season avgs and it was roughly 21 pts and 6 assts. Well he's at 26 and 8. Stop haten on him.

[Rose]

Wow im seeing alot of rose haters here. First it was his jumpshot, then his 3pt range, now its his assists? And he's in the top 10? Come on, I think some people are nitpicking. Not to mention that his second best scorer (deng) is only shooting 41%.

Iwonder what's gonna be the knock on him once he starts getting his fair share of fouls called and avgs double figure assts? I remember before the season started, people were predicting his season avgs and it was roughly 21 pts and 6 assts. Well he's at 26 and 8. Stop haten on him.
rebounding.

[juju151111]

Yep I told you so

[Go Getter]

Wow im seeing alot of rose haters here. First it was his jumpshot, then his 3pt range, now its his assists? And he's in the top 10? Come on, I think some people are nitpicking. Not to mention that his second best scorer (deng) is only shooting 41%.

Iwonder what's gonna be the knock on him once he starts getting his fair share of fouls called and avgs double figure assts? I remember before the season started, people were predicting his season avgs and it was roughly 21 pts and 6 assts. Well he's at 26 and 8. Stop haten on him.


Don't forget:

"The Bulls win with defense (only) and Rose isn't a good defender so he should not get any credit."

[chips93]

Bogut is the best player on his team, Arguably a top 3 center in the Nba.
Okur causes the most matchup problems on defense when he's in Utah's starting lineup.

Bynum's length when added to Gasol's length makes the Lakers frontcourt absolutly unstopable.

In 08 Boozer only played 37 games and we ended the season with 48 wins.

The point is no team is gonna play with a fully healthy lineup all year. It's the Nba injuries happen, you have to win regardless.

Well you can say the exact same thing about Westbrook/Wall.

It's always been clear that elite pg's with athletism have a higher potential than players like D-Will/Paul.
It's just rare that people reach that potential instead of relying on their athletism which will eventually run out.

That's the reason why Jason Kidd/Steve Nash are two of the greatet pg's to play the game of basketball yet few of these athletic beast have been able to mimic their success


did yung d-will stop posting when deron left ? just wondering

i guess were gonna be seeing more bumps of early season rose threads, its irritating but the guy deserves it i guess

[jasonresno]

did yung d-will stop posting when deron left ? just wondering

i guess were gonna be seeing more bumps of early season rose threads, its irritating but the guy deserves it i guess
I debated with that guy for a good 2+ years about how good Rose was going to be.

I almost miss his crazy ass. He got showed up for real this year.

[1Time4YourMind]

Yep I told you so
Lol nice bump; though you should have bumped once he receives the MVP trophy, its basically just a formality now.