95/96 Penny Hardaway or 05/06 Kobe Bryant

[beermonsteroo]

Who had the better season? Who would yo

[chazzy]

05/06 Kobe

[Jacks3]

:oldlol: Kobe easily. This is an insult. lol using FG% when his TS% was very solid at 56%. He wasn't a volume shooter like a Iverson or whatever. Dumass.

[Bring-Your-Js]

:facepalm:

[Poochymama]

Kobe, not even that close

[Showtime]

Who cares? Seriously, what difference does it make?

[All Net]

:facepalm God I hate off-seasons.

[beermonsteroo]

:oldlol: Kobe easily. This is an insult. lol using FG% when his TS% was very solid at 56%. He wasn't a volume shooter like a Iverson or whatever. Dumass.

Well Pennys was over 60. So what's your point?

[Jacks3]

Well Pennys was over 60. So what's your point?
lol @ comparing a volume of 35.4 PPG vs 22. :roll:

[Sarcastic]

Kobe by a wide margin.

[G-Funk]

kOBE AND IS NOT EVEN CLOSE, KOBE ATTRACTED EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM LIKE IF THEY WERE FLIES ON SHIT.

[NY-Knicks]

I'm definitely going with Kobe on this one.

[G-Funk]

Well Pennys was over 60. So what's your point?

Dude, ur agenda to diminish Kobe's great season just backfired.

[beermonsteroo]

kOBE AND IS NOT EVEN CLOSE, KOBE ATTRACTED EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM LIKE IF THEY WERE FLIES ON SHIT.

Then why didn't he share the ball more?????

I did not say Kobe wasn't the better scorer. I just said the dfference was not as big as 22 35 sugest. And it's not big enogh to make Kobe the better overall player in those years.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Kobe Bryant and it's not close.

[imdaman99]

How do we ban this guy from making threads? All his have a certain agenda. We should ban the obvious Kobe guys that make threads trying to go in on MJ/Lebron/Wade/anyone they can bring down to make Kobe look better too. Is that you Pleazebelieve?

[beermonsteroo]

How do we ban this guy from making threads? All his have a certain agenda. We should ban the obvious Kobe guys that make threads trying to go in on MJ/Lebron/Wade/anyone they can bring down to make Kobe look better too. Is that you Pleazebelieve?

I don't see your problem?
I was just comparing two remarking individual seasons of similartype of players. I also like the fact that there are exactly 10 years between those seasons.
Did i hate on Kobe? No!
Did i say he had a bad season? No!
So what's the issue?

All i say is that considering all the aspects i 'd chosse Penny season over the one of Kobe? Am i not allowed to do so?

[G-Funk]

Did i hate on Kobe?


All i say is that considering all the aspects i 'd chosse Penny season over the one of Kobe? Am i not allowed to do so?


Then why didn't he share the ball more?????

I did not say Kobe wasn't the better scorer. I just said the dfference was not as big as 22 35 sugest. And it's not big enogh to make Kobe the better overall player in those years.



You have not made it a secret, that u dislike Kobe. And you try to diminish his success every chance you get. and if don't have any, u make em.

[beermonsteroo]

You have not made it a secret, that u dislike Kobe. And you try to diminish his success every chance you get. and if don't have any, u make em.

So had i compared Penny to Wade it wouldn't have been a problem?
Does Kobe enjoy some sort of special protection or what?
Again, show me where i hated on him or made up things. I've just come to the conclusion that there are actually players who had better individual seasons then Kobe. If this is an insult to you, that's your problem.

[necya]

a 3rd year penny hardaway was more impressive, more intelligent had more technics and seemed more mature than a 9th year kobe bryant.

until mid of december, shaq was injured at his thumb. everyone thought the magic would have a negative record but they had a better % of win without shaq than the entire season with him, and i remembered that people thought the magic played a better basketball without O'neal (no question it did weigh in the balance when he left orlando)

then here, the teenagers love numbers so here are the numbers when penny took the scoring spot :
27,4ppg at 51% 5,8rbd 6,5ast 2,2stl
have i to specify that during these 6 weeks, penny did that without taking more than 22 shots? he used to score without forcing or jacking.
the magic recorded 17W-5L

maybe those kobe boys didn't have seen penny schooled MJ the 14th of november. ah yes, i forgot that MJ is overrated...
and never say that someone could be better than kobe or the earth would tuns upside for those ignorant

[Niytrus]

I am a Penny homer, but 05/06 Kobe clearly had the better season.

[beermonsteroo]

a 3rd year penny hardaway was more impressive, more intelligent had more technics and seemed more mature than a 9th year kobe bryant.

until mid of december, shaq was injured at his thumb. everyone thought the magic would have a negative record but they had a better % of win without shaq than the entire season with him, and i remembered that people thought the magic played a better basketball without O'neal (no question it did weigh in the balance when he left orlando)

then here, the teenagers love numbers so here are the numbers when penny took the scoring spot :
27,4ppg at 51% 5,8rbd 6,5ast 2,2stl
have i to specify that during these 6 weeks, penny did that without taking more than 22 shots? he used to score without forcing or jacking.
the magic recorded 17W-5L

maybe those kobe boys didn't have seen penny schooled MJ the 14th of november. ah yes, i forgot that MJ is overrated...

Thank you!

I didn't even remember that his scoring was that high without Shaq. I remembered it being around 24 or something. Thank you for this one!
Damn, Penny ifone of those "what could have been"type of players.

[All Net]

It was pretty damn sad how badly Penny fell off, he fell off really badly. Real shame.

[necya]

it's not because he was injured soon in his career that he can't be in the talk of great players. plus, he was one of the more intelligent in nba history. in his second year he played basketball like a 30yo player with the athleticism. that's why he stole a place in the all nba first team.
at a skill point, he is top 5 all time and he is the best low post player ever without counting center.

[necya]

It was pretty damn sad how badly Penny fell off, he fell off really badly. Real shame.

the Q is how?
if you remember well, he left the court after 4 games in 96-97 for a micro fracture in the knee so he needed an arthroscopy.
now look at the players who had the same injury (stoudamire and kidd for exemple) and look at the time they stayed off the court. the suns didn't want to take a risk so stoudamire didn't play an entire year. Kidd stayed 4 months away off the court. the magic staff wanted penny back quickly cause they needed to stay alive for the playoffs.
the result is that penny missed only 6 weeks and 23 games and the fracture was not still consolidate, they made the playoffs but they killed their best player. nice play magic staff! hehe

[G-Funk]

So had i compared Penny to Wade it wouldn't have been a problem?
Does Kobe enjoy some sort of special protection or what?
Again, show me where i hated on him or made up things. I've just come to the conclusion that there are actually players who had better individual seasons then Kobe. If this is an insult to you, that's your problem.


It wouldnt been a problem if u wearn't such a Kobe hater. I don't even care if ppl critize his game. but uneya, newyyorknicksfan, sinjack take it to a whole different level and it's pretty sad to see a man hate on another. Bottom line is that Kobe is top 10 and Penny is not even top 50. so it's pretty worthless to even compare them both. But you even start up threads to have a chance to try and dimish him, did ur mom or dad teach u to hate? Who did they hate on so much that made u wanna be the same?

[barbaroi]

21+/4+/7+ has been done 53 times.
35+/5+/4+ has been done 4 times.

Case closed.

[necya]

It wouldnt been a problem if u wearn't such a Kobe hater. I don't even care if ppl critize his game. but uneya, newyyorknicksfan, sinjack take it to a whole different level and it's pretty sad to see a man hate on another. Bottom line is that Kobe is top 10 and Penny is not even top 50. so it's pretty worthless to even compare them both. But you even start up threads to have a chance to try and dimish him, did ur mom or dad teach u to hate? Who did they hate on so much that made u wanna be the same?

if you think i'm a "hater" (hate this word, it's typic from young/immature forum users) so you have understand nothing.
i just go against all those crazy statements like "kobe is top 10 all time", he is top 10 all time in talent and in clutch players but it's not the same thing.

[chazzy]

i just go against all those crazy statements like "kobe is top 10 all time"
:oldlol: Get with the times man. Majority consider him top 10 now, this isn't 2008 anymore.

[necya]

21+/4+/7+ has been done 53 times.
35+/5+/4+ has been done 4 times.

Case closed.

if you judge basketball like that, change of sport kid.

[necya]

:oldlol: Get with the times man. Majority consider him top 10 now, this isn't 2008 anymore.

the majority of what? ISH forum? espn elite? it's not 2rings with the most stacked team who makes kobe better than before and (not more the debatable MVP trophy of 2010).
after 14y his offensive choices are still not very smart. that the things on the court who shows what the player he is.

[chazzy]

the majority of what? ISH forum? espn elite? it's not 2rings with the most stacked team who makes kobe better than before and (not more the debatable MVP trophy of 2010).
after 14y his offensive choices are still not very smart. that the things on the court who shows what the player he is.

Not worth getting into this

[Bring-Your-Js]

Not worth getting into this

Double standard after double standard after double standard.. :oldlol:

How do they sleep nights? :cry:

[bl2k8]

stat geeks ftw

[ImmortalD24]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9770/330vjmp.gif

[Quizno]

oh my, this is quite sad...

[necya]

Not worth getting into this

the problem here with the kobe fans, that they only answer by useless things or smileys...
if you have watched the 2 players, penny in 95-96 and kobe in 05-06 come on, i have seen plenty of games of this 2 players. just come with something good.
not like barbaroi, maybe he could mention a guard who has lead his team with this record and average 27ppg without taking more than 22shots?

[necya]

just take a look at kobe's fans posts : 6 useless posts....unbelievable. all think about that.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I'd rather have Kobe. He's the hardest worker in the league, he plays hurt(practically dead), and he's gotten it done at the highest level time and time again. Penny never got over the hump to be a truely great player. Kobe was scary scoring the ball that year. You really have to game plan when you play against Kobe. He draws a lot of attention on offense and he is going to play you great defense. He's also more exciting to watch in my opinion and that puts butts in the seats. No contest in my mind and I'm old enough to remember Penny back in the day.

[catch24]

I'm guessing the OP has down syndrome.

[TryToBeUnbias]

:facepalm

[MaxFly]

Who cares? Seriously, what difference does it make?

Translation: Bryant

[GSDunk]

This thread is the perfect example of certain fans that get so caught up in their love of a particular player....that they get blinded by that love and become completely irrational in their thought process.

As an example...I'm sure there are plenty of diehard Vince Carter fans that feel that prime Vince was better than prime Kobe and it's sad they'll never realize that this "over the top" love of a player sometimes obscures their sense of reality....and there's never anything you can do to to convince these fools otherwise.

[Bodhi]

This thread is the perfect example of certain fans that get so caught up in their love of a particular player....that they get blinded by that love and become completely irrational in their thought process.

As an example...I'm sure there are plenty of diehard Vince Carter fans that feel that prime Vince was better than prime Kobe and it's sad they'll never realize that this "over the top" love of a player sometimes obscures their sense of reality....and there's never anything you can do to to convince these fools otherwise.

You waited a long time to post that.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Translation: Bryant
:D

[KenneBell]

not like barbaroi, maybe he could mention a guard who has lead his team with this record and average 27ppg without taking more than 22shots?
Why the arbitrary number of 22 shots? Kobe averaged 28.3ppg in '08 on 20.6 shots. 27.6ppg in '05 on 20 shots.

[Bring-Your-Js]

Why the arbitrary number of 22 shots? Kobe averaged 28.3ppg in '08 on 20.6 shots. 27.6ppg in '05 on 20 shots.

Jibberish scroll is what it is.

[Disaprine]

op fails again in trying to make a spite thread. :roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Definitely Kobe.

[barbaroi]

a 3rd year penny hardaway was more impressive, more intelligent had more technics and seemed more mature than a 9th year kobe bryant.

until mid of december, shaq was injured at his thumb. everyone thought the magic would have a negative record but they had a better % of win without shaq than the entire season with him, and i remembered that people thought the magic played a better basketball without O'neal (no question it did weigh in the balance when he left orlando)

then here, the teenagers love numbers so here are the numbers when penny took the scoring spot :
27,4ppg at 51% 5,8rbd 6,5ast 2,2stl
have i to specify that during these 6 weeks, penny did that without taking more than 22 shots? he used to score without forcing or jacking.
the magic recorded 17W-5L

maybe those kobe boys didn't have seen penny schooled MJ the 14th of november. ah yes, i forgot that MJ is overrated...
and never say that someone could be better than kobe or the earth would tuns upside for those ignorant
If you want to take a random 6 week selection out of their seasons, between December 20th and the end of January Kobe averaged 42.2pts/5.7reb/4.1ast. I think that's a more impressive 6 weeks than Penny's 27.4/5.8/6.5.

[Solid Snake]

Tragedy needs to befall the OP.

[drainthe3]

is this guy bruce blitz in disguise? :facepalm

[RazorBaLade]

shooting % is out of the window when you're talking 14 pts, at some point u gotta realize that u win by scoring more than the other team

[AirJordan&Magic]

Translation: Bryant

:oldlol: Am I the only one that sensed he was scared to admit Kobe Bryant?

[beermonsteroo]

It wouldnt been a problem if u wearn't such a Kobe hater. I don't even care if ppl critize his game. but uneya, newyyorknicksfan, sinjack take it to a whole different level and it's pretty sad to see a man hate on another. Bottom line is that Kobe is top 10 and Penny is not even top 50. so it's pretty worthless to even compare them both. But you even start up threads to have a chance to try and dimish him, did ur mom or dad teach u to hate? Who did they hate on so much that made u wanna be the same?

Again! I did not say Penny has a better career then Kobe or something. Of course not. I just compared those two interesting seasons. Did i say Kobe had a bad season? NO! All i say is that Penny has a claim that year over Kobe. This example shows that looking at ppg somehow can be a bit misleading. That's all.
Obviously you have an agenda to hate on everybody who says something which does not fit your "Kobe is god" agenda.

[beermonsteroo]

This thread is the perfect example of certain fans that get so caught up in their love of a particular player....that they get blinded by that love and become completely irrational in their thought process.

As an example...I'm sure there are plenty of diehard Vince Carter fans that feel that prime Vince was better than prime Kobe and it's sad they'll never realize that this "over the top" love of a player sometimes obscures their sense of reality....and there's never anything you can do to to convince these fools otherwise.

I am not a fan of Penny. Just for the record.

[N0Skillz]

[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]Who had the better season? Who would yo

[RazorBaLade]

Again! I did not say Penny has a better career then Kobe or something. Of course not. I just compared those two interesting seasons. Did i say Kobe had a bad season? NO! All i say is that Penny has a claim that year over Kobe. This example shows that looking at ppg somehow can be a bit misleading. That's all.
Obviously you have an agenda to hate on everybody who says something which does not fit your "Kobe is god" agenda.

no he has no claim over anything. kobe contributed more to his team stop being stupid. this is the only time i have ever heard someone compared with so many less points and barely 3 more assists.

[necya]

Why the arbitrary number of 22 shots? Kobe averaged 28.3ppg in '08 on 20.6 shots. 27.6ppg in '05 on 20 shots.

i'm not talking about an average of shot attempt...the game when he took the most shot was 22, he averaged 17,3 shots.do you feel enough stupid now?

well, kobe is the best ever.

[beermonsteroo]

no he has no claim over anything. kobe contributed more to his team stop being stupid. this is the only time i have ever heard someone compared with so many less points and barely 3 more assists.

That's why you should start realising thatlooking at ponits per game can be misleading

[MaxFly]

i'm not talking about an average of shot attempt...the game when he took the most shot was 22, he averaged 17,3 shots.do you feel enough stupid now?

well, kobe is the best ever.

I'm not even sure why this is an argument. If we were to look at a fixed date range during which Penny played excellent basketball, we'd be sure to be able to find a similar date range where Bryant played just as well if not better. In fact, we'd likely find more than one.

[KenneBell]

i'm not talking about an average of shot attempt...the game when he took the most shot was 22, he averaged 17,3 shots.do you feel enough stupid now?

well, kobe is the best ever.
Only more stupid for trying to decipher your English.

[PowerGlove]

:oldlol: Kobe easily. This is an insult. lol using FG% when his TS% was very solid at 56%. He wasn't a volume shooter like a Iverson or whatever. Dumass.
:facepalm

Iverson's TS% 54.3. Still dont get why you always have to talk out of your ass 80% of the time.

05-06 Kobe.

[Samurai Swoosh]

:facepalm

Iverson's TS% 54.3. Still dont get why you always have to talk out of your ass 80% of the time.

05-06 Kobe.
Iverson was a chucker ... but he was a BEAST

:pimp:

[PHILA]

:facepalm

Iverson's TS% 54.3. Still dont get why you always have to talk out of your ass 80% of the time.

05-06 Kobe.

According to some here a peaked Iverson was inferior to Andrew Bynum. :facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

Iverson > Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Eric Gordon Flavor of the WEEK PG / SG combo guard

[Bring-Your-Js]

Iverson was a chucker ... but he was a BEAST

:pimp:

So was Elgin Baylor. :pimp:

[whatever666]

Penny Hardaway was a PG... he didnt need to score like a madman considering he played with such offensively skilled teammates.

[Showtime]

Translation: Bryant
Translation: who gives a **** about arbitrarily picked individual seasons separated by a decade and deciding which one particular season is better? It's a waste of time and energy even attempting to debate a worthless and totally irrelevant point. The OP could have chosen Wade or Lebron, and it would have been equally worthless.

[indiefan24]

According to some here a peaked Iverson was inferior to Andrew Bynum. :facepalm

What happened to the Lincoln persona?

[beermonsteroo]

Translation: who gives a **** about arbitrarily picked individual seasons separated by a decade and deciding which one particular season is better? It's a waste of time and energy even attempting to debate a worthless and totally irrelevant point. The OP could have chosen Wade or Lebron, and it would have been equally worthless.

If you don't give a **** then why don't you just shut up and keep away from the thread? Obviously you do give a ****. Or why are you posting?
If you have arguments then bring them. It's so obvious that you just can't stand the fact that some people pick this version of Penny over Kobe.

[ImmortalD24]

If you don't give a **** then why don't you just shut up and keep away from the thread? Obviously you do give a ****. Or why are you posting?
If you have arguments then bring them. It's so obvious that you just can't stand the fact that some people pick this version of Penny over Kobe. :facepalm
Showtime is not a Kobe fan or even a Lakers fan. He's a Kings/ Chris Paul fan (as far as I know).

[Kobe 4 The Win]

It's so obvious that you just can't stand the fact that some people pick this version of Penny over Kobe.

So what? Some people pick Dunkin Donuts over Krispy Kreme's too. That just proves that some people are nuts and don't recognize quality when they see it.

I don't understand this whole, player A 1995 vs player B 2005, thing. It seems that when it comes to Kobe it's just a desperate attempt to find a player that had one season out of 15 that statistically approroached what Kobe regularly does. This is done in order to diminish Kobe by comparing him to lesser players that he left in the dust a decade ago. It's not working.

[Showtime]

If you don't give a **** then why don't you just shut up and keep away from the thread? Obviously you do give a ****. Or why are you posting?

That was only my second post in this thread, and the only reason I came back was because apparently people were under the impression that I was hating on Kobe, and not the premise of this entire topic, because they kept negging me on my initial post. And if you would take your head out of your ass, you would see similar comments on the first page referring to the awful premise of this topic, and NOT about kobe. I'm sorry you are butthurt that people are pointing out how stupid your topic is.


If you have arguments then bring them. It's so obvious that you just can't stand the fact that some people pick this version of Penny over Kobe.
It's so obvious you are so stupid that you can't possibly fathom my response which would have nothing to do with him. I'm not a Kobe fanboy, idiot. Nor am I saying Penny is better, even though he was one of my favorite players. Remove Kobe from this topic, insert one of Wade's or Lebron's hand picked seasons, and IT WOULD STILL BE A HORRIBLE AND WORTHLESS TOPIC. Jesus Christ, get over yourself. The reason I hate this topic is because it's a stupid topic, and crap like these posts and crappy posters like you are what has made ISH's NBA section so goddam unreadable nowadays.

[Big#50]

Penny. That 06 Kobe season was a chuckfest.

[necya]

I'm not even sure why this is an argument. If we were to look at a fixed date range during which Penny played excellent basketball, we'd be sure to be able to find a similar date range where Bryant played just as well if not better. In fact, we'd likely find more than one.

read the first pages, it's an answer for those who like to compare the average of points, not an argument. it's a good way to show that penny could be the best PG in league like in 94-95 and a top 3 scorer in the league when he had to carry his team.

when shaq was absent, penny was able to score with a lot of efficiency.
like in 94-95 shaq missed 3 games and penny came up big with 31ppg at 60%.

also, penny missed 5 games and the magic went 2-3, meeting only one team qualified for the playoffs (the lakers).

[ashlar]

Can you guys just admit you just hate Kobe in a weird stalkerish always in his threads even though you "hate" him kinda way so we can move on and be done with it? Its not possible for us to think any less of you.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Penny is a guy who almost was a great player. Dude is already forgotten. Kobe is a first ballot hall of famer and one of the greatest players of all time.

[miller-time]

that was pennys 3rd season compared to kobes 10th. how is that a fair comparison? of course kobe is going to better. it'd be like comparing kobe's 3rd season to michael jordan's 9th. it'd be stupid.

[Jacks3]

:facepalm

Iverson's TS% 54.3. Still dont get why you always have to talk out of your ass 80% of the time.

05-06 Kobe.
Um, a 54.3 TS% is not good. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was below league average. Also, check out his TS% numbers in other years. They're horrible. Iverson was a classic example of a chucker. Now STFU, you moron.

[Jacks3]

Penny. That 06 Kobe season was a chuckfest.
:facepalm

[Jacks3]

Why are you so dumb? If Iverson's TS% is 54.3 and Kobe's is 55.9, how does that make his horrible? Stop posting this trash here. You are retarded.
You dumb piece of shit.There's a significant difference between the two numbers. And Kobe was doing it on much higher volume. ****ing dumass.


:roll:

Grasping at straws.

We're talking about 05-06 Kobe so why would I look at Iverson's other years?:facepalm
[/QUOTE]
You're seriously retarded. The dude said 06 Kobe was a chucker. That's false. I brought up A.I because he is a classic example of a chucker, especially from 00-05. Obviousness, I was peaking in general. The only year he wasn't was that one year in Denver. Stupid moron.:facepalm

[GiveItToBurrito]

:oldlol: Kobe easily. This is an insult. lol using FG% when his TS% was very solid at 56%. He wasn't a volume shooter like a Iverson or whatever. Dumass.

Well, he kind of was, he was just a very accurate volume shooter. Hence the chucker/not a chucker debate people still have.

That season was monstrous, though, a legend at his peak. It can only realistically be compared to 2002 TMAC, Lebron's last few, Wade the year before last, MJ, Shaq at his peak, etc. :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

lol Kobe's efficiency numbers have consistently been very good. To call him a chucker is a joke.

[LakersRule24]

06-07 Tony Parker
32.5 MPG, 18.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.2 RPG, 52% FG, 39% 3PT, 57% TS, 15.8 FGA per game

05-06 Kobe Bryant
41 MPG, 35.4 PPG, 4.5 APG, 5.5 RPG, 45% FG, 34% 3PT, 55% TS, 27 FGA per game

That 35-19 ppg margin is not really much of a margin at all because Tony Parker shot 52% and 39% from the three point line and he kills Kobe in all other stats, and Kobe is a shot jacker.

Tony Parker>Kobe

[Kobe 4 The Win]

06-07 Tony Parker
32.5 MPG, 18.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.2 RPG, 52% FG, 39% 3PT, 57% TS, 15.8 FGA per game

05-06 Kobe Bryant
41 MPG, 35.4 PPG, 4.5 APG, 5.5 RPG, 45% FG, 34% 3PT, 55% TS, 27 FGA per game

That 35-19 ppg margin is not really much of a margin at all because Tony Parker shot 52% and 39% from the three point line and he kills Kobe in all other stats, and Kobe is a shot jacker.

Tony Parker>Kobe

Well if the Lakers score 100 points on 45% shooting and the Spurs score 75 points of 52% shooting the Lakers still win. Parker has a different role on his team than Kobe has. Efficiency is important but the difference between 45% to 52% is miniscule, especially when Kobe takes so many more shots for his team. Who was going to score for the Lakers, Smush Parker, Walton, Kwame? Please.

[catch24]

Um, a 54.3 TS% is not good. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was below league average. Also, check out his TS% numbers in other years. They're horrible. Iverson was a classic example of a chucker. Now STFU, you moron.

What makes a 55.9 TS% so much more worldly than a 54.3 TS%? Just wondering.

[Jacks3]

What makes a 55.9 TS% so much more worldly than a 54.3 TS%? Just wondering.
1. It's not just the percentage difference. It's the fact that Kobe is giving you much greater volume ( +2 PPG) and greater efficiency. It adds up.

2. When I mentioned Iverson, I was clearly talking in general terms. Iverson, for most of his career, has generally had horrible efficiency. Usually a below league average TS% of around 51-52%, which is absolutely dreadful. He was the definition of a chucker. Kobe is not.

[Shep]

penny

[MaxFly]

Let's be real here... if someone asked which of these two had the better season?

Penny Hardaway:

MPG 36.8 PPG 21.7 FG% 51.3 APG 7.1 RPG 4.3 SPG 2.0 BPG 0. 5 TOV 2.8 TS% 60.4

Michael Jordan:

MPG 39.3 PPG 32.6 FG% 49.5 APG 5.5 RPG 6.7 SPG 2.8 BPG 0.8 TOV 2.7 TS% 56.4

Would anyone say Penny?

[The_Yearning]

The BLACK MAMBA!!

[necya]

Let's be real here... if someone asked which of these two had the better season?

Penny Hardaway:

MPG 36.8 PPG 21.7 FG% 51.3 APG 7.1 RPG 4.3 SPG 2.0 BPG 0. 5 TOV 2.8 TS% 60.4

Michael Jordan:

MPG 39.3 PPG 32.6 FG% 49.5 APG 5.5 RPG 6.7 SPG 2.8 BPG 0.8 TOV 2.7 TS% 56.4

Would anyone say Penny?

where are your post? sorry maybe i need glasses? oh you are pointing stats?
how many games have you seen of both players in these 2 seasons?

[PowerGlove]

What makes a 55.9 TS% so much more worldly than a 54.3 TS%? Just wondering.

He's biased, that's all.

[Jacks3]

He's biased, that's all.
I would expect nothing less from a fan of Iverson, the biggest cancer in history.

[jlip]

I'm form Memphis and have seen Penny play basketball since his senior year of high school. This comparison in this thread is actually between 2 players with radically different approaches to the games. Penny is a player who had to be asked to score. Kobe had to be asked to stop shooting. Comparing those two seasons is very difficult to me because they did completely different things in those years. I would say that I have a hometown bias for Penny though, but you could easily go either way here. Plus I've never been a fan of individual scoring anyways. Scoring more points between 2 players of equal talent is usually the simple function of taking more shots, not "playing better". But again I could easily see how someone would go with Kobe.

[playtetris]

bryant. he was offensively unstoppable some of that season; he was literally taking over games with his scoring and carrying the lakers team. penny was good and efficient, but unconscious? nah.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Let's be real here... if someone asked which of these two had the better season?

Penny Hardaway:

MPG 36.8 PPG 21.7 FG% 51.3 APG 7.1 RPG 4.3 SPG 2.0 BPG 0. 5 TOV 2.8 TS% 60.4

Michael Jordan:

MPG 39.3 PPG 32.6 FG% 49.5 APG 5.5 RPG 6.7 SPG 2.8 BPG 0.8 TOV 2.7 TS% 56.4

Would anyone say Penny?

'93 Jordan > '06 Kobe though, so that's irrelevant. Unless you're alluding to the whole TS% tangent only.

[AirJordan23]

I would expect nothing less from a fan of Iverson, the biggest cancer in history.
Definitely agree here. :oldlol: @ anyone thinking the canswer was ever on Kobe's level.

[Willkill24]

Dude you are dumb Kobe took 27.2 shot per
game in 06 and he shot 45% from field and his efg%
was 491% how many plaers in NBA history can
do that :lol

[Desperado]

THE GREATNESS OF KOBE "BEAN" BRYANT!!

5x NBA CHAMPION
(2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)

2x NBA FINALS MVP
(2009, 2010)

NBA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
(2008)

12x NBA ALL-STAR
(1998, 2000-2010)

8x ALL-NBA FIRST TEAM
(2002-2004, 2006-2010)

2x ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM
(2000, 2001)

2x ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM
(1999, 2005)

11 TOTAL ALL-NBA TEAMS

8x ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM
(2000, 2003-2004, 2006-2010)

2x ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
(2001-2002)

10 TOTAL ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM......TIED FOR MOST OF ALL-TIME BY A GUARD


NBA ALL-ROOKIE SECOND TEAM
(1997)

NBA SLAM DUNK CHAMPION
(1997)

NAISMITH PREP PLAYER OF THE YEAR
(1996)

Total Career Points- 25,790

Career Average- 25.3ppg 5.3reb 4.7ast 1.5stl

SCORING RAMPAGE
81pts in a game
62pts in three quarters
42pts in 1st half
55pts in 2nd half
30pts in one quarter
12 threes in one game
9 threes without a miss in a game
8 threes in one half
9 straight games with 40pts+
4 straight games with 50pts+
27 games with 40pts+ in a season
10 games with 50pts+ in a season
4th player ever with a 35pt+ season average
5th player ever with a 2800pt+ season
1st player ever to outscore a team through 3 quarters
1st player ever with a 2800pt 180 three season



THE 50+PT GAMES:

Kobe-51pts 8ast 7reb vd GSW 99-00
Kobe-56pts 5ast 4reb vs Mem 00-01
Kobe-51pts 2ast 2reb vs Den 02-03
Kobe-52pts 7ast 8reb vs Hou 02-03
Kobe-55pts 3ast 5reb vs Was 02-03
Kobe-62pts 0ast 8reb vs Dal 05-06
Kobe-50pts 8ast 8reb vs Lac 05-06
Kobe-51pts 4ast 9reb vs Sac 05-06
Kobe-81pts 2ast 5reb vs Tor 05-06
Kobe-51pts 3ast 5reb vs Pho 05-06
Kobe-50pts 1ast 6reb vs Por 05-06
Kobe-50pts 5ast 8reb vs Pho 05-06
Kobe-52pts 4ast 4reb vs UTA 06-07
Kobe-53pts 8ast 10reb vs Hou 06-07
Kobe-58pts 4ast 5reb vs Cha 06-07
Kobe-65pts 3ast 7reb vs Por 06-07
Kobe-50pts 6ast 5reb vs Min 06-07
Kobe-60pts 5ast 3reb vs Mem 06-07
Kobe-50pts 7ast 6reb vs NO 06-07
Kobe-53pts 2ast 2reb vs Hou 06-07
Kobe-50pts ast 9reb vs Lac 06-07
Kobe-50pts 3ast 8reb vs Sea 06-07
Kobe-52pts 4ast 11reb vs Dal 07-08
Kobe-53pts ast 7reb vs Mem 07-08
Kobe-61pts 3ast 0reb vs Nyk 08-09


KILLER INSTINCT....

List of Kobe's notable game-winners:

1) 05/09/99 - Lakers 101, Rockets 100 (playoffs, game-winning FTs with 5.3 seconds remaining)
2) 12/27/99 - Lakers 108, Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
3) 05/10/00 - Lakers 97, Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
4) 11/16/00 - Lakers 112, Kings 110 (game-tying three for OT, OT jumper for win)
5) 02/07/01 - Lakers 85, Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 seconds remaining)
6) 02/13/01 - Lakers 113, Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the And-1)
7) 01/02/02 - Lakers 87, Nuggets 86 (offensive reb and jumper)
8) 02/22/02 - Lakers 96, Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater, jumper)
9) 03/24/02 - Lakers 97, Kings 96 (fade-away jumper, 36 seconds remaining)
10) 05/12/02 - Lakers 87, Spurs 85 (playoffs, offensive rebound and put-back)
11) 12/06/02 - Lakers 105, Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)
12) 04/04/03 - Lakers 102, Grizzlies 101 (buzzer-beater, jumper)
13) 04/06/03 - Lakers 115, Suns 113 (GW jumper with 28.6 seconds remaining)
14) 12/19/03 - Lakers 101, Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, buzzer-beating fade-away)
15) 02/17/04 - Lakers 89, Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
16) 03/21/04 - Lakers 104, Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 seconds remaining)
17) 04/14/04 - Lakers 105, Blazers 104 (game-tying three for OT, OT GW buzzer-beating three)
18) 03/13/05 - Lakers 117, Bobcats 116 (pump fake jumper for the win)
19) 11/02/05 - Lakers 99, Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
20) 12/04/05 - Lakers 99, Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
21) 01/12/06 - Lakers 99, Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 seconds to go)
22) 04/30/06 - Lakers 99, Suns 98 (playoffs, game-tying tear drop for OT, and OT game-winning jumper)
23) 01/14/08 - Lakers 123, Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
24) 01/09/09 - Lakers 121, Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 seconds to go)
25) 12/04/09 - Lakers 108, Heat 107 (game-winning buzzer-beating three over Wade)
26) 12/16/09 - Lakers 107, Bucks 106 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper over Bell)
27) 01/01/10 - Lakers 109, Kings 108 (game-winning buzzer-beating three, 4.1 seconds left and 0.1 remaining)
28) 01/13/10 - Lakers 100, Mavericks 95 (game-winning jumper with 28.9 seconds remaining)
29) 01/31/10 - Lakers 90, Celtics 89 (game-winning jumper with 7 secs remaining)
30) 02/23/10 - Lakers 99, Grizzlies 98 (game-winning jumper with 4.3 seconds remaining)
31) 03/10/10 - Lakers 109, Raptors 107 (game-winning fade-away with 1.9 seconds remaining)

TOTAL CAREER PLAYOFF POINTS LIST TOP 10:
1.Michael Jordan* 5987
2.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5762
3.Shaquille O'Neal 5121
4.Karl Malone 4761
5.Jerry West* 4457
6.Kobe Bryant* 4381
7.Larry Bird* 3897
8.John Havlicek* 3776
9.Hakeem Olajuwon* 3755
10.Tim Duncan 3724


So Why Do y'all Keep bringing up this agenda BS?

Is it because....


http://i28.tinypic.com/6h0p78.jpg


PS: GTFOH with this Penny Hardaway shyt :pimp:

[Killer_Instinct]

[QUOTE=beermonsteroo]Who had the better season? Who would yo

[Bring-Your-Js]

THE GREATNESS OF KOBE "BEAN" BRYANT!!

5x NBA CHAMPION
(2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)

2x NBA FINALS MVP
(2009, 2010)

NBA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
(2008)

12x NBA ALL-STAR
(1998, 2000-2010)

8x ALL-NBA FIRST TEAM
(2002-2004, 2006-2010)

2x ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM
(2000, 2001)

2x ALL-NBA THIRD TEAM
(1999, 2005)

11 TOTAL ALL-NBA TEAMS

8x ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM
(2000, 2003-2004, 2006-2010)

2x ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
(2001-2002)

10 TOTAL ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM......TIED FOR MOST OF ALL-TIME BY A GUARD


NBA ALL-ROOKIE SECOND TEAM
(1997)

NBA SLAM DUNK CHAMPION
(1997)

NAISMITH PREP PLAYER OF THE YEAR
(1996)

Total Career Points- 25,790

Career Average- 25.3ppg 5.3reb 4.7ast 1.5stl

SCORING RAMPAGE
81pts in a game
62pts in three quarters
42pts in 1st half
55pts in 2nd half
30pts in one quarter
12 threes in one game
9 threes without a miss in a game
8 threes in one half
9 straight games with 40pts+
4 straight games with 50pts+
27 games with 40pts+ in a season
10 games with 50pts+ in a season
4th player ever with a 35pt+ season average
5th player ever with a 2800pt+ season
1st player ever to outscore a team through 3 quarters
1st player ever with a 2800pt 180 three season



THE 50+PT GAMES:

Kobe-51pts 8ast 7reb vd GSW 99-00
Kobe-56pts 5ast 4reb vs Mem 00-01
Kobe-51pts 2ast 2reb vs Den 02-03
Kobe-52pts 7ast 8reb vs Hou 02-03
Kobe-55pts 3ast 5reb vs Was 02-03
Kobe-62pts 0ast 8reb vs Dal 05-06
Kobe-50pts 8ast 8reb vs Lac 05-06
Kobe-51pts 4ast 9reb vs Sac 05-06
Kobe-81pts 2ast 5reb vs Tor 05-06
Kobe-51pts 3ast 5reb vs Pho 05-06
Kobe-50pts 1ast 6reb vs Por 05-06
Kobe-50pts 5ast 8reb vs Pho 05-06
Kobe-52pts 4ast 4reb vs UTA 06-07
Kobe-53pts 8ast 10reb vs Hou 06-07
Kobe-58pts 4ast 5reb vs Cha 06-07
Kobe-65pts 3ast 7reb vs Por 06-07
Kobe-50pts 6ast 5reb vs Min 06-07
Kobe-60pts 5ast 3reb vs Mem 06-07
Kobe-50pts 7ast 6reb vs NO 06-07
Kobe-53pts 2ast 2reb vs Hou 06-07
Kobe-50pts ast 9reb vs Lac 06-07
Kobe-50pts 3ast 8reb vs Sea 06-07
Kobe-52pts 4ast 11reb vs Dal 07-08
Kobe-53pts ast 7reb vs Mem 07-08
Kobe-61pts 3ast 0reb vs Nyk 08-09


KILLER INSTINCT....

List of Kobe's notable game-winners:

1) 05/09/99 - Lakers 101, Rockets 100 (playoffs, game-winning FTs with 5.3 seconds remaining)
2) 12/27/99 - Lakers 108, Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
3) 05/10/00 - Lakers 97, Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
4) 11/16/00 - Lakers 112, Kings 110 (game-tying three for OT, OT jumper for win)
5) 02/07/01 - Lakers 85, Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 seconds remaining)
6) 02/13/01 - Lakers 113, Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the And-1)
7) 01/02/02 - Lakers 87, Nuggets 86 (offensive reb and jumper)
8) 02/22/02 - Lakers 96, Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater, jumper)
9) 03/24/02 - Lakers 97, Kings 96 (fade-away jumper, 36 seconds remaining)
10) 05/12/02 - Lakers 87, Spurs 85 (playoffs, offensive rebound and put-back)
11) 12/06/02 - Lakers 105, Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)
12) 04/04/03 - Lakers 102, Grizzlies 101 (buzzer-beater, jumper)
13) 04/06/03 - Lakers 115, Suns 113 (GW jumper with 28.6 seconds remaining)
14) 12/19/03 - Lakers 101, Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, buzzer-beating fade-away)
15) 02/17/04 - Lakers 89, Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
16) 03/21/04 - Lakers 104, Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 seconds remaining)
17) 04/14/04 - Lakers 105, Blazers 104 (game-tying three for OT, OT GW buzzer-beating three)
18) 03/13/05 - Lakers 117, Bobcats 116 (pump fake jumper for the win)
19) 11/02/05 - Lakers 99, Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
20) 12/04/05 - Lakers 99, Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
21) 01/12/06 - Lakers 99, Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 seconds to go)
22) 04/30/06 - Lakers 99, Suns 98 (playoffs, game-tying tear drop for OT, and OT game-winning jumper)
23) 01/14/08 - Lakers 123, Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
24) 01/09/09 - Lakers 121, Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 seconds to go)
25) 12/04/09 - Lakers 108, Heat 107 (game-winning buzzer-beating three over Wade)
26) 12/16/09 - Lakers 107, Bucks 106 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper over Bell)
27) 01/01/10 - Lakers 109, Kings 108 (game-winning buzzer-beating three, 4.1 seconds left and 0.1 remaining)
28) 01/13/10 - Lakers 100, Mavericks 95 (game-winning jumper with 28.9 seconds remaining)
29) 01/31/10 - Lakers 90, Celtics 89 (game-winning jumper with 7 secs remaining)
30) 02/23/10 - Lakers 99, Grizzlies 98 (game-winning jumper with 4.3 seconds remaining)
31) 03/10/10 - Lakers 109, Raptors 107 (game-winning fade-away with 1.9 seconds remaining)

TOTAL CAREER PLAYOFF POINTS LIST TOP 10:
1.Michael Jordan* 5987
2.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5762
3.Shaquille O'Neal 5121
4.Karl Malone 4761
5.Jerry West* 4457
6.Kobe Bryant* 4381
7.Larry Bird* 3897
8.John Havlicek* 3776
9.Hakeem Olajuwon* 3755
10.Tim Duncan 3724


So Why Do y'all Keep bringing up this agenda BS?



PS: GTFOH with this Penny Hardaway shyt :pimp:

UNBELIEVABLE.

He's actually got over 5,000+ playoff points now too.

Can't forget:
13 straight games with 35+ points
4 straight games with 45+ points (separate streak)

The 56 against Memphis was also through 3 quarters. The 61 against New York in 37 min. Only player in NBA history to drop 60+ twice in under 40 min played

[momo]

This has to count for something.
http://ldgmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/116012_5eXXFwbtrK_Bij86RbcTueSFv.jpeg

[beermonsteroo]

Let's be real here... if someone asked which of these two had the better season?

Penny Hardaway:

MPG 36.8 PPG 21.7 FG% 51.3 APG 7.1 RPG 4.3 SPG 2.0 BPG 0. 5 TOV 2.8 TS% 60.4

Michael Jordan:

MPG 39.3 PPG 32.6 FG% 49.5 APG 5.5 RPG 6.7 SPG 2.8 BPG 0.8 TOV 2.7 TS% 56.4

Would anyone say Penny?

No, but that's because these Jordan Numbers are far better then Kobes 05/06campaign