How do non-believers feel about going to hell?

[Dolphin]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?

[boozehound]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?
I am shocked that you have turned your back on the one true path to the after-life Quetzalcoatl. How can you be so blinded by the material world? Is believing in your false god really worth it?

[Dresta]

I fear hell about as much as i fear dragons. The idea of hell is one of the most disgusting creations ever. A tool used to instill fear in people from an early age in an effort to control them, i have great contempt towards the idea.

Not that the idea of heaven is much better anyway.

[Dolphin]

I am shocked that you have turned your back on the one true path to the after-life Quetzalcoatl. How can you be so blinded by the material world? Is believing in your false god really worth it?

His followers perished. Obviously he can't be the one true God.

Which god do I believe in who is false?


I fear hell about as much as i fear dragons. The idea of hell is one of the most disgusting creations ever. A tool used to instill fear in people from an early age in an effort to control them, i have great contempt towards the idea.

Not that the idea of heaven is much better anyway.

No, the idea of eternal happiness is almost as bad as eternal damnation. Right on, hippie.

[B-Low]

I've always figured if there is a hell, that's where all the fun people are gonna be anyway. I mean all the actors, musicians, athletes, partiers, sluts, drinkers, etc. Heaven is just gonna be full of all those stick up their ass girls that wear sweaters and jeans to the club, all those people who spent their 21st birthday at the movies and Applebees...If i gotta be there for eternity I wanna go where the music, booze, sports and women are gonna be

A good amount of the people on this planet who preach that they're heaven bound are gonna get rooms with a view in hell.

[Nanners]

I cant believe you cretins turned your backs on the gods. Zeus and Hera will not take kindly to this, I expect thunderstorms in the near future. You will know the wrath of the gods.

[EarlTheGoat]

Not sure if serious.

[boozehound]

I've always figured if there is a hell, that's where all the fun people are gonna be anyway. I mean all the actors, musicians, athletes, partiers, sluts, drinkers, etc. Heaven is just gonna be full of all those stick up their ass girls that wear sweaters and jeans to the club, all those people who spent their 21st birthday at the movies and Applebees...If i gotta be there for eternity I wanna go where the music, booze, sports and women are gonna be

A good amount of the people on this planet who preach that they're heaven bound are gonna get rooms with a view in hell.
To quote a modern day poet

But if there ain't no whiskey and wimen lord behind those heavenly doors,
I'm gonna take my chances down below and of that you can be sure.

[boozehound]

His followers perished. Obviously he can't be the one true God.

Which god do I believe in who is false?

whys that? Are you really that shallow that you think gods take sides in human battles/ power struggles?

[Dresta]

His followers perished. Obviously he can't be the one true God.

Which god do I believe in who is false?



No, the idea of eternal happiness is almost as bad as eternal damnation. Right on, hippie.
[Religious belief] is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you - who must, indeed, subject you - to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life - I say, of your life - before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can ****ing die and leave North Korea,

[Dolphin]

I've always figured if there is a hell, that's where all the fun people are gonna be anyway. I mean all the actors, musicians, athletes, partiers, sluts, drinkers, etc. Heaven is just gonna be full of all those stick up their ass girls that wear sweaters and jeans to the club, all those people who spent their 21st birthday at the movies and Applebees...If i gotta be there for eternity I wanna go where the music, booze, sports and women are gonna be

A good amount of the people on this planet who preach that they're heaven bound are gonna get rooms with a view in hell.

Hell is not a place to congregate with other cool people. It is like being caught in the middle of a fire pit with no vision for eternity. And most cool people become afraid as they grow old. Their blind arrogance fades away. They beg for forgiveness even if they do so with no other's knowledge. Those people are pathetic.


whys that? Are you really that shallow that you think gods take sides in human battles/ power struggles?

Yes, God takes sides. Do we not take sides? Are we not of God? There will always be the "haves and have-nots".

[boozehound]

Hell is not a place to congregate with other cool people. It is like being caught in the middle of a fire pit with no vision for eternity. And most cool people become afraid as they grow old. Their blind arrogance fades away. They beg for forgiveness even if they do so with no other's knowledge. Those people are pathetic.



Yes, God takes sides. Do we not take sides? Are we not of God? There will always be the "haves and have-nots".
I hear they play electronica and pop e all day long down there. sure you dont want to reconsider coming over to the dark side? also, they have threesomes with clubskanks, just like you!


OP is obviously trolling. His actions in life (as self-reported on this forum) do not fit with the holier-than-thou devout tone these posts take. Unless he is, like most professed Xtians, a total hypocrite. Its one thing to sin and repent. Its another to revel in it and brag on it.

[B-Low]

Hell is not a place to congregate with other cool people. It is like being caught in the middle of a fire pit with no vision for eternity. And most cool people become afraid as they grow old. Their blind arrogance fades away. They beg for forgiveness even if they do so with no other's knowledge. Those people are pathetic.

Well of course that's what we think. We only got God's description of the Hell so far. If I work at KFC of course I'm gonna tell people that Popeyes sells bad chicken. But ooooo-weee you go to Popeyes and the chicken's crispy, the fries are seasoned and the taste is downright southern goodness!

[Dolphin]

I hear they play electronica and pop e all day long down there. sure you dont want to reconsider coming over to the dark side? also, they have threesomes with clubskanks, just like you!


OP is obviously trolling. His actions in life (as self-reported on this forum) do not fit with the holier-than-thou devout tone these posts take. Unless he is, like most professed Xtians, a total hypocrite. Its one thing to sin and repent. Its another to revel in it and brag on it.

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything....so no, I won't look forward to be going there.

[boozehound]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything....so no, I won't look forward to be going there.
god doesnt care about unrepentant pre-marital sex?

[EarlTheGoat]

Trolls looking for attention have a safe spot in hell. So you`re basicly screwed up Dolphin. :lol

[sawyersauce]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.


So what are the evil pleasures the hell-bound engage in? The ones you mentioned in your first post.

[simcjt]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?
Didn't read the whole thread but by default non believers don't believe in hell. Why is this thread more than 3 post? :confusedshrug:

[Dolphin]

god doesnt care about unrepentant pre-marital sex?

No, God doesn't care about pre-marital sex. God cares about doing what you believe is right in his name.

[Toni]

I believe in atheism and therefore I will never be disappointed. If I go to a place called heaven, great. If I get sent to a place called hell, I will realize that I didn't live my life properly.

If I'm reincarnated as a unicorn or something mystical and righteous than I'd be stoked. But I hope I don't come back as Joan Rivers' **** beads or something of that nature..

[macmac]

[Religious belief] is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you - who must, indeed, subject you - to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life - I say, of your life - before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can ****ing die and leave North Korea,

Great post. I've always likened devout religious worshippers to the slaves in an s&m relationship. Giving away your free will in favour of pure adoration towards a subject that relieves you of your choices and responsibilities. It's so easy to simply follow absolute orders, not to question, not to have to weigh your options, not to love and accept both the qualities and faults of an equal but instead, to worship a superior blindly and absolutely.

However, s&m is just a game, a role play, but for some religion is bigger than life itself. And that's just sad.

[Dresta]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything....so no, I won't look forward to be going there.How do you know, have you been there?


Great post. I've always likened devout religious worshippers to the slaves in an s&m relationship. Giving away your free will in favour of pure adoration towards a subject that relieves you of your choices and responsibilities. It's so easy to simply follow absolute orders, not to question, not to have to weigh your options, not to love and accept both the qualities and faults of an equal but instead, to worship a superior blindly and absolutely.

However, s&m is just a game, a role play, but for some religion is bigger than life itself. And that's just sad.
Exactly, its like people just want remove any kind of responsibility for what they do in their lives.

[Toni]

By the way, non-believers don't believe in hell. Therefore we will not be going there. We probably just rot in the ground so if you want to call six feet under hell, then by all means. And we will all be going to "hell" at some point so deal with it troll.

[emsteez forreal]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?


where in the bible does it say sinners will burn for eternity?

[Dolphin]

How do you know, have you been there?

Many have.

[boozehound]

No, God doesn't care about pre-marital sex. God cares about doing what you believe is right in his name.
awesome. So im going to heaven for blowing up a synagogue then? I did it in his name and I believe it is right and just in his eyes.

[Poodle]

I fear hell about as much as i fear dragons. The idea of hell is one of the most disgusting creations ever. A tool used to instill fear in people from an early age in an effort to control them, i have great contempt towards the idea.

Not that the idea of heaven is much better anyway.


you should watch some of the end times movies out there. talk about fear based brainwashing :violin:

[branslowski]

Many have.

And they told u right?

[Take Your Lumps]

mmmmmmmmmmm...evil pleasures on earth.....http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/images/smilies/HomerDrool.gif

[B-Low]

you should watch some of the end times movies out there. talk about fear based brainwashing :violin:

Well of course you're not too concerned. After all...



*wait for it*




....All Dogs Go to Heaven

[Take Your Lumps]

Well of course you're not too concerned. After all...



*wait for it*




....All Dogs Go to Heaven

Ya what if he's barking up the wrong tree?

[macmac]

How do non-believers feel about going to hell?

I dunno, you tell us, you're the one living in Detroit. Boooooom!!!!

[Hazard]

If there is a hell I'm sure I'll see the Pope and his little followers there.

[Dolphin]

awesome. So im going to heaven for blowing up a synagogue then? I did it in his name and I believe it is right and just in his eyes.

If it was done truly in his honor, then yes, you will go to Heaven. It depends on how you lived your life in full as well however.

Many terrorists will go to Heaven while many couch potato Americans will not. They performed acts in His name. They did what they believed would bring glory to God and His people. They will serve Him in Heaven rather than those who loiter on this earth with no purpose.


If there is a hell I'm sure I'll see the Pope and his little followers there.

Possibly. Only God knows what they have done on earth.

[Take Your Lumps]

I dunno, you tell us, you're the one living in Detroit. Boooooom!!!!

oh snap

[Take Your Lumps]

If it was done truly in his honor, then yes, you will go to Heaven. It depends on how you lived your life in full as well however.

Many terrorists will go to Heaven while many couch potato Americans will not. They performed acts in His name. They did what they believed would bring glory to God and His people. They will serve Him in Heaven rather than those who loiter on this earth with no purpose.

God, the Mafia Boss.

Got it.

Relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzJxkwUNA4)

[boozehound]

I dunno, you tell us, you're the one living in Detroit. Boooooom!!!!
his location is a lie. hes in windsor.

[Fuhqueue]

[Religious belief] is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you - who must, indeed, subject you - to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life - I say, of your life - before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can ****ing die and leave North Korea,
Hitch :pimp:

[B-Low]

Ya what if he's barking up the wrong tree?

Well played. Well played. :applause:

[sunsfan1357]

I've always figured if there is a hell, that's where all the fun people are gonna be anyway. I mean all the actors, musicians, athletes, partiers, sluts, drinkers, etc. Heaven is just gonna be full of all those stick up their ass girls that wear sweaters and jeans to the club, all those people who spent their 21st birthday at the movies and Applebees...If i gotta be there for eternity I wanna go where the music, booze, sports and women are gonna be

A good amount of the people on this planet who preach that they're heaven bound are gonna get rooms with a view in hell.
Don't you insult Applebees! They have a damn good happy hour!

[chungerball]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything....so no, I won't look forward to be going there.

What if I prefer the heat instead??? Douche

[DonDadda59]

Why are some people so obsessed with 'living' forever?

And I feel like Lucifer would reward those that go against the edicts of his former master and present adversary. That whole pitchfork in the ass and eternal fire story is just part of Yahweh's propaganda machine. It'll probably be like Vegas... only at the center of the Earth.

[tontoz]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything....so no, I won't look forward to be going there.


So we get burned alive after we die? :facepalm

[Juvenile]

So far I've burned a synagogue during Crystal Night in 1938, bombed a mosque during gulf war 1, enabled a buddhist to be born again as a roach by drowning him with roaches, strangled a hindu while masked as a multi-armed hindu goddess (I wore an elephant mask and had several handgunds, so I guess I was multi armed) and out-meditated a confuzian priest.

All in the name of the true god, the creator of the heaven and the earth, lord over all of us who will judge us on the latter day.
He who took away microphones away from young country singers to bring us the gospel of Beyonce, she who recorded one of the best music videos of all times.

Kanye West.

[Styles p]

omg im so scared. sike!

[Dolphin]

What if I prefer the heat instead??? Douche

No one prefers Hell over Heaven....if that were the case then Heaven would be Hell and vise versa.

[chungerball]

No one prefers Hell over Heaven....if that were the case then Heaven would be Hell and vise versa.

Can you tell me what the average yearly temperature in heaven is, so I can make my choice? I do prefer the heat over the cold many days of the year. If heaven was always cold, the hot girls wouldn't be able to put on bikinis.

[boozehound]

Can you tell me what the average yearly temperature in heaven is, so I can make my choice? I do prefer the heat over the cold many days of the year. If heaven was always cold, the hot girls wouldn't be able to put on bikinis.
well, even if they did, you couldnt lust after them anyways. you probably wouldnt be able to. which is funny, cause OP is a notorious poonhound (in his eyes anyways).

[simcjt]

Can you tell me what the average yearly temperature in heaven is, so I can make my choice? I do prefer the heat over the cold many days of the year. If heaven was always cold, the hot girls wouldn't be able to put on bikinis.
Some mathematician did calculations based on the bible or something in which certain things are described and said that Heaven is hotter than hell.

I'll repeat this again "By default non believers don't believe in hell. Why is this thread more than 3 post? "

[G-Funk]

I triple dare anyone who doesn't believe in God to play the Ouija board at 3:00a.m and call for satan/demons to posses you, make sure to ducument it and put it on youtube so I can find out if they do excist. Anyone up for the challange?


http://www.dpjs.co.uk/sell.html

[LA KB24]

I was raised by my Baptist parents to go to church twice every Sunday, but I was never really into church and never really serious about it. As I grew older, I began to question my religion/faith more and more... I don't even know what to believe in anymore. My parents/relatives/etc always try to convince me that God exists by telling me all these stories about how they "found" him when they were younger, but idk. They always tell me to "read the bible, and you will see changes" or if I read it then I will understand, but so far that hasn't happened. It just doesn't all add up to me. Maybe there is a God, but how do you know that he WANTS you to follow the Bible?

For all we know the authors could've been on some kind of psychedelics and maybe the book of Revelation was one huge trip report or something.

When you look at it logically, it doesn't make much sense, but when I hear about all these "clinical/near death" experiences, it still gets me thinking about the "what ifs".

I don't really think about it as much as I used to anymore though, I just live.

[IcanzIIravor]

No one prefers Hell over Heaven....if that were the case then Heaven would be Hell and vise versa.

Satan prefers it. He seems like a reasonable guy tired of serving an indifferent master. Can't blame him for saying f this.

[Poodle]

the funny thing is 3/4's of religious people will go to hell too. its not like muslims, christians, budhists, jews, etc. all believe in the same rules to salvation. if anything only 1 of them are going to be the true faith if anything and the rest of y'all will be worshipping false idols/God so are going to a worse hell than the non believers :cheers:

[Dolphin]

This was a disappointment. Nothing but typical atheist smart ass comments. Must be so proud of yourselves. lol

[DonDadda59]

For all we know the authors could've been on some kind of psychedelics and maybe the book of Revelation was one huge trip report or something.

One of the world's foremost biblical scholars and archeologists came to that conclusion actually. He spent years decoding the dead sea scrolls on government dime and his conclusion was that the early Christians used to be a cult that took shrooms that they thought were sacred (even claimed that they called the particular shroom they used 'Jesus') and that's where a lot of writings like Revelations come from, which would make a lot of sense if you've read that mess. :oldlol:


I don't really think about it as much as I used to anymore though, I just live.

Good policy :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

And some people are a bit too sensitive about their fairy tales...


negged *******. kfc eating coon.

I am appalled and offended :mad:

Everyone knows Popeye's is where it's at.

[DeuceWallaces]

Not all that concerned.

[Dresta]

And some people are a bit too sensitive about their fairy tales...



I am appalled and offended :mad:

Everyone knows Popeye's is where it's at.
Yeah same lol. Insane amount of negging goes on whenever you bring up religious beliefs. Just shows how insecure they are about their faith tbh.

'negged to hell'

lulz

[brooks_thompson]

i think i'd be pretty good in hell. i'd have upper management written all over me.

heaven though? restricted to janitorial duties

[DonDadda59]

This was a disappointment. Nothing but typical atheist smart ass comments. Must be so proud of yourselves. lol

Since you're on and you seem very confident you have all the answers on the subject... few things that no one else has been able to answer:

1) Where is hell exactly?

2) Does the soul have a nervous system, if not, why should I be worried about fire, brimstone, and eternal agony if I cannot feel physical pain since my nervous system will decay with my physical body?

[Dolphin]

Since you're on and you seem very confident you have all the answers on the subject... few things that no one else has been able to answer:

1) Where is hell exactly?

2) Does the soul have a nervous system, if not, why should I be worried about fire, brimstone, and eternal agony if I cannot feel physical pain since my nervous system will decay with my physical body?

Hell is directionless. When you are there, you are there.

You do not need a nervous system to feel pain. What, are you on earth or something? lol

[DonDadda59]

Hell is directionless. When you are there, you are there.

You do not need a nervous system to feel pain. What, are you on earth or something? lol

You sir, are full of kaka.

And probably ecstasy.

Rave away.

[Sarcastic]

If I don't believe in hell, why would I ever worry about going there?

[chungerball]

Hell is directionless. When you are there, you are there.

You do not need a nervous system to feel pain. What, are you on earth or something? lol

Believe it or not....This is how many or most religious nuts believe. Logic is out the window when you are dealing with God/Hell/Heaven. Those same people can be fully logical people in other facets of life, but somehow turns off their brains when it comes to their all powerful creator.:facepalm

BTW: What the hell is going on when they go into one of those trances of theirs? They begin to speak in gibberish or something. Freaky to say the least.

[Dolphin]

You sir, are full of kaka.

And probably ecstasy.

Rave away.

At least I'm full of God too. I feel comforted that he is inside me.


Believe it or not....This is how many or most religious nuts believe. Logic is out the window when you are dealing with God/Hell/Heaven. Those same people can be fully logical people in other facets of life, but somehow turns off their brains when it comes to their all powerful creator.:facepalm

BTW: What the hell is going on when they go into one of those trances of theirs? They begin to speak in gibberish or something. Freaky to say the least.

I am not a religious nut.

As for what people are doing when in said trance....possesed by a demon? That's what happened in The Exorcist.

[KOBEMAMBA24]

Society has you right where it wants you, congrats to being a mindless drone. It's people like you that make spiritual people look bad.

[CLE[216]]

I feel comforted that he is inside me.

lol no homo?

[Premeditated]

real talk, if there was a "Hell", i wouldn't mind going there. since "Hell" is where all the 'bad' things are, to most civilized society, psychedelic drugs are considered 'bad', so i picture "Hell" is probably going to have coke, magic mushrooms:rockon: , all the reefers, oxy-cotton, Methenamine, and x. so if i could to "Hell", i go to "Hell".:roll:

besides, there is some famous people in "Hell" that i've been dying to meet.:lol

[Premeditated]

i kind of find it funny that people who believe that Jesus turn water into wine, and walked on water and Moses split the sea apart, look at people in disgust when they believe that there are extra terrestrial activities else where in the universe with high powers.

[evilmonkey]

There is no such stupid thing as hell/heaven.... you just freakin die, you seize to exist... very simple... have you ever passed out? Thats how it feels.... like nothing... and you dont even notice the nothingness.... did you ever sleep and didnt dream about anything? Thats how it feels.... you dont remember anything, you remember you just went to bed and some seconds later woke up! Except when you die, there is no waking up.......

We are all living beings, this is life on earth, why should we be able to go to heaven/hell and nobody else, for example a dog or even an insect? Can a dog make a evil deed / good deed and be sepparated from the rest to land in heaven? The difference between us and other living beings is our intelligence... do only we go to heaven/hell just because of that? :facepalm

No my friends, heaven/hell is made up long time ago just like any religion in purpose of maaaaaaaybe decreasing violence towards others and yourself and so on.... and maybe give some HOPE to the Humans that something awaits us after life.... NO, just no....

There is no such thing as life after death, the only life you will ever have is the one you have right now... so make use of it, carpe diem!

[Dolphin]

There is no such stupid thing as hell/heaven.... you just freakin die, you seize to exist... very simple... we are all living beings, this is life on earth, why should we be able to go to heaven/hell and nobody else, for example a dog or even an insect? Can a dog make a evil deed / good deed and be sepparated from the rest to land in heaven? The difference between us and other living beings is our intelligence... do go to heaven/hell just because of that? :facepalm

No my friends, heaven/hell is made up long time ago just like any religion in purpose of maaaaaaaybe decreasing violence and so on....

There is no such thing as life after death, the only life you will ever have is the one you have right now... so make use of it, carpe diem!

Did Bill Maher tell you that?

[Premeditated]

Did Bill Maher tell you that?
did God tell you that heaven and hell exist or did you just read it from a book that common humans created?

[RaininThrees]

His Noodliness is around us, with his noodly appendage.

HE Can be seen all around us.

http://venganza.org/images/posters/poster_ad2.png

http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/boiled.jpg

The evidence of Him is everywhere.

He can clearly be seen in these fireworks:

http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/fw2.jpg

Looking down from above...

http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dubaiairport1.jpg

All over the world:

http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/brazil1.jpg

In nature:

http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/flyingspaghettimonstersighting_thumb.jpg

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is all around us.

He loves us all.

[evilmonkey]

Did Bill Maher tell you that?

No idea who that is.. sorry...

But really... Some people just cant handle the truth or dont want to accept the truth... so they believe whatever they like.

The only Heaven / Hell that really exist is on earth..........

Heaven = Example Living a good life as a decent human being, love others and recieve love back, make good deeds, family, children, friends, career, success, being rich and so on...

Hell = Living a bad life, poverty, sickness, war, jail and so on....

And all of us experience BOTH, some less, some more.

BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE LIFE.


What did you expect? To die and wake up and findout you have to live for eternity and see what kindof ranking & achievements you did in your previous life and see where you will depart to next in Heaven or Hell or be reincarnated?

[RaininThrees]

Bobby Henderson explains a little here, in an Open Letter to the Kansas School Board;


Open Letter To Kansas School Board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence.

What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

http://www.venganza.org/images/PiratesVsTemp.png

In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Pastafarianism), and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Sincerely Yours,

Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.

P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.

[Dresta]

At least I'm full of God too. I feel comforted that he is inside me.



I am not a religious nut.

As for what people are doing when in said trance....possesed by a demon? That's what happened in The Exorcist.
That was a film mate, not real life.

As for hell, someone previously brought up, we wouldn't have a nervous system anyway, so how would we feel pain anyway. Its a good point, because of what pain is, (something that tells us when something is harming us and our body). There would be no need to feel pain once your dead, making the whole idea of hell completely redundant.

[Bladers]

real talk, if there was a "Hell", i wouldn't mind going there. since "Hell" is where all the 'bad' things are, to most civilized society, psychedelic drugs are considered 'bad', so i picture "Hell" is probably going to have coke, magic mushrooms:rockon: , all the reefers, oxy-cotton, Methenamine, and x. so if i could to "Hell", i go to "Hell".:roll:

besides, there is some famous people in "Hell" that i've been dying to meet.:lol

The torments of hell is real dude...
Please I beg of you forreal, you don't want to go there.
http://www.tribulationinstitute.com/lake_of_fire_2.jpg

This isn't a joke. Its real, please reconsider..:cry:

[Premeditated]

The torments of hell is real dude...
Please I beg of you forreal, you don't want to go there.
http://www.tribulationinstitute.com/lake_of_fire_2.jpg

This isn't a joke. Its real, please reconsider..:cry:
well if a fellow Kobe stan says its bad, it bad. i might have to reconsider going back to church then. i swear to Kobe, i'll reconsider.

[Showtime]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?
How do you feel about ceasing all existence at the moment of death? How do you feel about that being the end of your consciousness, and that from then on, the world will live on while you are decomposing?

[Jasper]

As devine as heaven must be :rolleyes:

there is in a word 'hell'

http://www.beyondweird.com/occult/hellfire.html

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hell

http://www.tribulationinstitute.com/lake_of_fire_2.jpg
Been there done that

[ZenMaster]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything....so no, I won't look forward to be going there.

Popping e and banging club skanks might be a bit over the top your'e right.

How bout a blunt and a BJ from the girl next door?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Hmmm, I don't know man. Depends on which circle. It's mostly a mix of uncertainty, fear, anxiety, and a lil bit of some "Bring it on, beyatch!"

Word by Aligheieri says the last circle of hell is where Judas Iscariot, Satan, Cain, and Brutus are partially submerged in ice, so it would be splendid. But this would require betraying a benefactor... something I'd have major issues with (i really luv my parents/TruFrndz/teachers). I've always enjoyed winter and wax museums, and the fame could be great.

I hope someway, somehow I can get used to the pain, but I really don't know man. The most I've done is stepped on hot coals for like four seconds, touched the interior stove for like two, and taken VERY hot showers. I'd like to think I know how raw, flaming pain feels, but alas that'd be alie.

Overall, mos def not going to be sunshine and rainbows, but it is my true fate. I could've refrained from pleasures in order to improve humanity many a-times, but my ego still reigns. A dove, a dove, my future for a heavenly dove!

[Dresta]

Never understtod why Judas was hated on so much when he only did what was necessary.
How do you feel about ceasing all existence at the moment of death? How do you feel about that being the end of your consciousness, and that from then on, the world will live on while you are decomposing?Doesn't feel any different then thinking about the billions of years before i was born that i had no consciousness of.

[Jackass18]

God doesn't care about popping e or banging club skanks. He worries about more important things.

In Hell you don't get to do anything, but be burned alive for eternity and have no interaction with anyone or anything

Proof?

[SinJackal]

I've got two things to say about this.

1: Have many other posters noticed Dresta is a really good poster?

2: Does anyone seriously believe in hell anymore? The idea that 'the devil', i.e. 'the enemy of god', punishes you more and more severely based on which rules of god's that you broke is just laughable.

Why would 'the devil' punish anyone for going against the teachings of someone he hates? If anything you should get some kind of christmas bonus for giving him a few laughs.

Religious "Hell" is the most illogical human idea of all time.

[miller-time]

Doesn't feel any different then thinking about the billions of years before i was born that i had no consciousness of.

that is what i always tell people, yet they seem to have some sort of mental block that doesn't let them comprehend what i am saying. death isn't anything to be scared of. the process of dying scares me, but not existing doesn't phase me in the slightest.

[Nobler]

I've got two things to say about this.

1: Have many other posters noticed Dresta is a really good poster?

2: Does anyone seriously believe in hell anymore? The idea that 'the devil', i.e. 'the enemy of god', punishes you more and more severely based on which rules of god's that you broke is just laughable.

Why would 'the devil' punish anyone for going against the teachings of someone he hates? If anything you should get some kind of christmas bonus for giving him a few laughs.

Religious "Hell" is the most illogical human idea of all time.
:applause:

[B-Low]

I've got two things to say about this.

1: Have many other posters noticed Dresta is a really good poster?

2: Does anyone seriously believe in hell anymore? The idea that 'the devil', i.e. 'the enemy of god', punishes you more and more severely based on which rules of god's that you broke is just laughable.

Why would 'the devil' punish anyone for going against the teachings of someone he hates? If anything you should get some kind of christmas bonus for giving him a few laughs.

Religious "Hell" is the most illogical human idea of all time.

THIS is what i've always argued. It makes no sense. "you did what I wanted you to do and disobeyed God, so now I'm gonna punish you because that's what God would want me to do"

[tpols]

THIS is what i've always argued. It makes no sense. "you did what I wanted you to do and disobeyed God, so now I'm gonna punish you because that's what God would want me to do"
You guys are thinking about it all wrong.

Its not that the devil comes at you the more and more you do wrong; its that you move farther and farther away from god the more you do wrong.

The bible teaches that the devil's always trying to take your soul, and when you do bad shit God stops protecting yo ass.

Also, in response to being punished in hell after being bad on earth and dying, thats not an immediate thing. You supposedly are to be judged when christ returns (so you just wander around as a ghost or some shit until that time comes after your death) and then god/jesus will lock satan up in hell with all of the souls that were damned on that judgment day, and THEN you will be punished(its not satan punishing you, it's god).

[chungerball]

You guys are thinking about it all wrong.

Its not that the devil comes at you the more and more you do wrong; its that you move farther and farther away from god the more you do wrong.

The bible teaches that the devil's always trying to take your soul, and when you do bad shit God stops protecting yo ass.

I personally don't want to believe in a god that is vengeful and jealous like a b*tch is. I don't want to obey him like I'm a dog. That is utterly ridiculous. F*ck that piece of shit fairytale.

[AK47DR91]

I believe in reincarnation, so my body will just rot or burn in cremation but my spirit/soul will live on as another life form. That new life will eventually die and follow the same process.

[tpols]

I personally don't want to believe in a god that is vengeful and jealous like a b*tch is. I don't want to obey him like I'm a dog. That is utterly ridiculous. F*ck that piece of shit fairytale.
You dont have to.

[chungerball]

You dont have to.

I know, but I'm just saying...Purely discussion

[B-Low]

You guys are thinking about it all wrong.

Its not that the devil comes at you the more and more you do wrong; its that you move farther and farther away from god the more you do wrong.

The bible teaches that the devil's always trying to take your soul, and when you do bad shit God stops protecting yo ass.

Also, in response to being punished in hell after being bad on earth and dying, thats not an immediate thing. You supposedly are to be judged when christ returns (so you just wander around as a ghost or some shit until that time comes after your death) and then god/jesus will lock satan up in hell with all of the souls that were damned on that judgment day, and THEN you will be punished(its not satan punishing you, it's god).

So what you're saying is right now nobody is being punished/tortured in hell, they're just wandering around until Armageddon? I've never heard that in my life. See it doesn't even seem like I can find more than 2-3 christians that agree on a basic concept of what the Bible says.

[ILLsmak]

You know, I know this girl... a sweet girl, super cute girl... that was absolutely falling over herself for me, but we never got to 'that level.' We still talk, but there is no progress. Why?

She talks like some of you guys talk. I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus, but maybe its not exactly like people think it is. I'm willing to admit I don't understand it, but I have faith that if I continue to try to live for other people and not myself then I will be rewarded.

She, on the other hand, is a Protestant. She wasn't brought up morally like I was, she was brought up in a bad situation and she turned to God. Which is great, but when people do then is they become over-righteous. They are extremely zealous, but they are too focused on the words and not the whole picture.

Do you really think you are going to make progress by asking someone how they feel about going to hell? Thats pathetic... how can you open someone's mind when the first thing you do is offend them?

If you want to touch someone, then you need to really take a lot of the semantics out of it, take all of the religion, and convince people that 95% of them believe in some concept of God. Maybe not the happy, loving Christian God... but there is something... call it Nature or Luck or whatever. It's there. I mean, in my mind that's not even debatable. But some people hate the concept of God that Christians have pushed on them so much that they won't even admit that.

Then, the second thing you need to do is make them realize that it's not about 'being a Christian' but it's about acting similarly to the way Christ was portrayed in the Bible. Meaning, you know, Jesus isn't meant to be worshipped... he's meant to be emulated. Live for others, try to understand people's problems, don't purposely hurt people... etc. If you do that, it's hard for someone to say that you are going to be damned to eternal suffering.

We don't know what happens after we die, but even while we are alive we can use hell as a symbol for what life is like when we live an extremely selfish lifestyle... in the end it's empty, no matter what we gain.

Don't argue over semantics, separate people by how they treat others. And it's sad that you, who believe in Jesus, would really go around making people hate him and God even more by using Hell as a threat.

-Smak

[tpols]

So what you're saying is right now nobody is being punished/tortured in hell, they're just wandering around until Armageddon? I've never heard that in my life. See it doesn't even seem like I can find more than 2-3 christians that agree on a basic concept of what the Bible says.
You've never heard of armageddon/judgement day? Why do you think its called judgement day bro? People get judged on that day.

[Noob Saibot]

Samurai Champloo's Mugen has a memorable quote regarding "hell"

"I dont give a rats azz bout going to hell. Maybe its because im already there!"

Meaning the living world is hell, not the afterlife.

[LA KB24]

Hmmm.

Let's say that you KNEW you were on the verge of death, and you only had a few seconds to live. Would all of you non believers/atheists/whatever take the chance and pray for forgiveness?

Reason I am asking is because a friend of mine knew a guy who was a proud atheist, and he was always trying to disprove the existence of God to others. When he was sent out to Iraq, he ended up getting shot a few times. He immediately started crying out and praying to God and asking for forgiveness...

[Noob Saibot]

Let's say that you KNEW you were on the verge of death, and you only had a few seconds to live. Would all of you non believers/atheists/whatever take the chance and pray for forgiveness?

Reason I am asking is because a friend of mine knew a guy who was a proud atheist, and he was always trying to disprove the existence of God to others. When he was sent out to Iraq, he ended up getting shot a few times. He immediately started crying out and praying to God and asking for forgiveness...

to be real, i might have flashbacks on my life once i start dying, thinking about what i did right and what i did wrong.

[red1]

You know, I know this girl... a sweet girl, super cute girl... that was absolutely falling over herself for me, but we never got to 'that level.' We still talk, but there is no progress. Why?

She talks like some of you guys talk. I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus, but maybe its not exactly like people think it is. I'm willing to admit I don't understand it, but I have faith that if I continue to try to live for other people and not myself then I will be rewarded.

She, on the other hand, is a Protestant. She wasn't brought up morally like I was, she was brought up in a bad situation and she turned to God. Which is great, but when people do then is they become over-righteous. They are extremely zealous, but they are too focused on the words and not the whole picture.

Do you really think you are going to make progress by asking someone how they feel about going to hell? Thats pathetic... how can you open someone's mind when the first thing you do is offend them?

If you want to touch someone, then you need to really take a lot of the semantics out of it, take all of the religion, and convince people that 95% of them believe in some concept of God. Maybe not the happy, loving Christian God... but there is something... call it Nature or Luck or whatever. It's there. I mean, in my mind that's not even debatable. But some people hate the concept of God that Christians have pushed on them so much that they won't even admit that.

Then, the second thing you need to do is make them realize that it's not about 'being a Christian' but it's about acting similarly to the way Christ was portrayed in the Bible. Meaning, you know, Jesus isn't meant to be worshipped... he's meant to be emulated. Live for others, try to understand people's problems, don't purposely hurt people... etc. If you do that, it's hard for someone to say that you are going to be damned to eternal suffering.

We don't know what happens after we die, but even while we are alive we can use hell as a symbol for what life is like when we live an extremely selfish lifestyle... in the end it's empty, no matter what we gain.

Don't argue over semantics, separate people by how they treat others. And it's sad that you, who believe in Jesus, would really go around making people hate him and God even more by using Hell as a threat.

-Smak
:applause:

Great post, I can tell we have a similar view on spirituality. Jesus, Buddha, and other spiritual leaders were attempting to set a pious example for those whom they influenced. When you really think about it, all religions have the same fundamental message of compassion and empathy towards others.

The problem is when people start getting caught up details and restrictions, and this in turn leads to the entire message being diluted. It's not about cussing, using drugs, having premarital sex etc, the only thing that matters is that you try to live morally. If that's confusing, morally simply means treating others like you would want others to treat you.

[beermonsteroo]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?

:facepalm :facepalm

[SinJackal]

Hmmm.

Let's say that you KNEW you were on the verge of death, and you only had a few seconds to live. Would all of you non believers/atheists/whatever take the chance and pray for forgiveness?

Reason I am asking is because a friend of mine knew a guy who was a proud atheist, and he was always trying to disprove the existence of God to others. When he was sent out to Iraq, he ended up getting shot a few times. He immediately started crying out and praying to God and asking for forgiveness...

It's silly that he thought he was being punished by God since he got shot. He got shot since he became a soldier and went to Iraq. :hammerhead:

Hopefully the guy's okay though, it's sad to know your friend was gunned down.


Moving on though, one can't "disprove the existance of God", since there's no proof that he existed anyway. You can't disprove something when there's no tangible proof it's there to begin with. Example: Ghosts. You can't disprove that ghosts are there since the premise of ghosts (or God) is that they're undetectable, thereby removing any chance to prove it isn't real since the notion of disproving it is negated by the definition of it being undetectable. "You can't prove it doesn't exist since it's not detectable".

The whole idea of a God preys on all the information that isn't known, which means nobody can know what really happened anyway: however, ignorant people just claim "this is what happened, you can't prove otherwise", since it's an easy argument to make. Anybody can spin a big story about creation, and it can't be disproven. You can claim, "you made it up", but at some point, somebody made up each religion. Vicious circle.


To answer your question though, no, I wouldn't. I'd probably be busy making sure my loved ones were okay before I died. They're more important than the idea of God is. The most I will do to acknowledge God is to jokingly say, "Sigh, thanks God", when something negative happens.

[miller-time]

Moving on though, one can't "disprove the existance of God", since there's no proof that he existed anyway. You can't disprove something when there's no tangible proof it's there to begin with. Example: Ghosts. You can't disprove that ghosts are there since the premise of ghosts (or God) is that they're undetectable, thereby removing any chance to prove it isn't real since the notion of disproving it is negated by the definition of it being undetectable. "You can't prove it doesn't exist since it's not detectable".

The whole idea of a God preys on all the information that isn't known, which means nobody can know what really happened anyway: however, ignorant people just claim "this is what happened, you can't prove otherwise", since it's an easy argument to make. Anybody can spin a big story about creation, and it can't be disproven. You can claim, "you made it up", but at some point, somebody made up each religion. Vicious circle.

i agree with your point on disproving of god, however i think as we learn more the gaps for god to fill will get smaller and smaller until the point where god just becomes an abstract concept that has no necessity in real life (i actually think we are not far from that point now). but with a lack of education and the methods of religious indoctrination i think it will be a long time before it can happen (if ever). evidence of this is most noticable with evolution deniers or young earth creationists.

[Bladers]

I've got two things to say about this.

1: Have many other posters noticed Dresta is a really good poster?

2: Does anyone seriously believe in hell anymore? The idea that 'the devil', i.e. 'the enemy of god', punishes you more and more severely based on which rules of god's that you broke is just laughable.

Why would 'the devil' punish anyone for going against the teachings of someone he hates? If anything you should get some kind of christmas bonus for giving him a few laughs.

Religious "Hell" is the most illogical human idea of all time.

Its funny that we have opposite view on basketball and now God.
But its not funny because you are an eternal being.
You will spend eternity somewhere, whether heaven or hell.
I don't want anyone to go to hell.:cry:

The devil won't punish you, he will rule you.

John 8:44-45
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

1John 2:14-16
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

2 Corinthians 4:3
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

[Bladers]

i agree with your point on disproving of god, however i think as we learn more the gaps for god to fill will get smaller and smaller until the point where god just becomes an abstract concept that has no necessity in real life (i actually think we are not far from that point now). but with a lack of education and the methods of religious indoctrination i think it will be a long time before it can happen (if ever). evidence of this is most noticable with evolution deniers or young earth creationists.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(Romans 1)

[miller-time]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(Romans 1)

1860 christianity called, it wants its debate style back. who in the 21st century brings scripture to a discussion with atheists?

[Bladers]

1860 christianity called, it wants its debate style back. who in the 21st century brings scripture to a discussion with atheists?

Because its the word of God and its apart of history aswell, many people quote stuff from other secular books to back them up, but when the bible is quoted which is history in itself. They get offended, why is that?

Nevertheless, I just don't to win a debate but to led you to Christ.
I'm praying for your.

[Toni]

You know, I know this girl... a sweet girl, super cute girl... that was absolutely falling over herself for me, but we never got to 'that level.' We still talk, but there is no progress. Why?

She talks like some of you guys talk. I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus, but maybe its not exactly like people think it is. I'm willing to admit I don't understand it, but I have faith that if I continue to try to live for other people and not myself then I will be rewarded.

She, on the other hand, is a Protestant. She wasn't brought up morally like I was, she was brought up in a bad situation and she turned to God. Which is great, but when people do then is they become over-righteous. They are extremely zealous, but they are too focused on the words and not the whole picture.

Do you really think you are going to make progress by asking someone how they feel about going to hell? Thats pathetic... how can you open someone's mind when the first thing you do is offend them?

If you want to touch someone, then you need to really take a lot of the semantics out of it, take all of the religion, and convince people that 95% of them believe in some concept of God. Maybe not the happy, loving Christian God... but there is something... call it Nature or Luck or whatever. It's there. I mean, in my mind that's not even debatable. But some people hate the concept of God that Christians have pushed on them so much that they won't even admit that.

Then, the second thing you need to do is make them realize that it's not about 'being a Christian' but it's about acting similarly to the way Christ was portrayed in the Bible. Meaning, you know, Jesus isn't meant to be worshipped... he's meant to be emulated. Live for others, try to understand people's problems, don't purposely hurt people... etc. If you do that, it's hard for someone to say that you are going to be damned to eternal suffering.

We don't know what happens after we die, but even while we are alive we can use hell as a symbol for what life is like when we live an extremely selfish lifestyle... in the end it's empty, no matter what we gain.

Don't argue over semantics, separate people by how they treat others. And it's sad that you, who believe in Jesus, would really go around making people hate him and God even more by using Hell as a threat.

-Smak

Beautiful read. Totally agree. You know what religion and faith is all about. Living life to it's fullest potential, being selfless and helping others. Well done.

:cheers:

[Bladers]

You know, I know this girl... a sweet girl, super cute girl... that was absolutely falling over herself for me, but we never got to 'that level.' We still talk, but there is no progress. Why?

She talks like some of you guys talk. I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus, but maybe its not exactly like people think it is. I'm willing to admit I don't understand it, but I have faith that if I continue to try to live for other people and not myself then I will be rewarded.

She, on the other hand, is a Protestant. She wasn't brought up morally like I was, she was brought up in a bad situation and she turned to God. Which is great, but when people do then is they become over-righteous. They are extremely zealous, but they are too focused on the words and not the whole picture.

Do you really think you are going to make progress by asking someone how they feel about going to hell? Thats pathetic... how can you open someone's mind when the first thing you do is offend them?

If you want to touch someone, then you need to really take a lot of the semantics out of it, take all of the religion, and convince people that 95% of them believe in some concept of God. Maybe not the happy, loving Christian God... but there is something... call it Nature or Luck or whatever. It's there. I mean, in my mind that's not even debatable. But some people hate the concept of God that Christians have pushed on them so much that they won't even admit that.

Then, the second thing you need to do is make them realize that it's not about 'being a Christian' but it's about acting similarly to the way Christ was portrayed in the Bible. Meaning, you know, Jesus isn't meant to be worshipped... he's meant to be emulated. Live for others, try to understand people's problems, don't purposely hurt people... etc. If you do that, it's hard for someone to say that you are going to be damned to eternal suffering.

We don't know what happens after we die, but even while we are alive we can use hell as a symbol for what life is like when we live an extremely selfish lifestyle... in the end it's empty, no matter what we gain.

Don't argue over semantics, separate people by how they treat others. And it's sad that you, who believe in Jesus, would really go around making people hate him and God even more by using Hell as a threat.

-Smak

I don't think the OP used Hell as a threat.
Hell is where people go when they reject Christ.
and People on ISH have rejected him time and time again.
So why can't we tell them where they are going if they continue?
I rather offend someone to heaven than comfort them to hell.

[tpols]

Isn't one of the key principles in christianity 'those who judge will be judged'?

[momo]

How do non-believers feel about going to hell?

We feel like we do not believe in it.

[IcanzIIravor]

Hmmm.

Let's say that you KNEW you were on the verge of death, and you only had a few seconds to live. Would all of you non believers/atheists/whatever take the chance and pray for forgiveness?

Reason I am asking is because a friend of mine knew a guy who was a proud atheist, and he was always trying to disprove the existence of God to others. When he was sent out to Iraq, he ended up getting shot a few times. He immediately started crying out and praying to God and asking for forgiveness...

When insurgents fired off a bunch of mortors to screw up my new years eve I assure you while I was in a bunker I didn't once think 'O hell naw, God is trying to tell me something!' Instead I thought 'Dammit, chow closes in 30 minutes. Damn them!'

[Bladers]

Isn't one of the key principles in christianity 'those who judge will be judged'?

No, the key principle in Christianity is to preach Jesus the savior, the only way to God and heaven.

I'm I judging you in telling you that there is a Holy God that made the world and all things therein, seeing he gives to all life, and breath to all things.
but now commandeth all men every where to repent. Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man Jesus Christ, whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
He sent his only Son and died on a cross and suffered to pay the penalty of sin. and now he is the only way to the Father and to Heaven.

Without Jesus you wouldn't be going to heaven..
Thats judging? No my friend that is the gospel.

[SinJackal]

i agree with your point on disproving of god, however i think as we learn more the gaps for god to fill will get smaller and smaller until the point where god just becomes an abstract concept that has no necessity in real life (i actually think we are not far from that point now). but with a lack of education and the methods of religious indoctrination i think it will be a long time before it can happen (if ever). evidence of this is most noticable with evolution deniers or young earth creationists.

That's a good point. As time's gone on, and more facts are discovered, religion's fallacies become more and more unraveled. They're built around the idea of what you don't know. . . but when you know the truth, it becomes obsolete.

There's very little about Earth's history that we need to know at this point to disprove every concept of religion. At this point, the only truths left to discover is how the universe started, and how life on our planet started. How the "universe" started isn't covered by religion, as they didn't even think there was a universe. . .just an Earth (You'd think God would've filled them in on that little tidbit if he actually spoke to them), and human life on Earth supposedly started only 8-10k years ago according to most religions. . .which has also been disproven already.

So even if we don't know what actually -made- life, religion has never tackled that subject either, as their timing was incredibly far off, which means they don't know either, and are now just backpeddling and attributing it to God. :hammerhead:

Religion in general has been in the business of torturing, imprisoning, and executing anyone who dares spread truths that counter anything the church has said. That the Earth revolves around the sun. . .evolution, anything. It's rather depressing to read about that sort of thing. :(



Its funny that we have opposite view on basketball and now God.
But its not funny because you are an eternal being.
You will spend eternity somewhere, whether heaven or hell.
I don't want anyone to go to hell.:cry:

The devil won't punish you, he will rule you.

It's cool. You see, according to almost every other religion besides yours, you're going to burn in hell too since you didn't believe in their religion instead. Considering that according to the combined logic of all this planet's religions, everyone's burning in hell and there's nothing we can do about it.

So if what we believe simply comes to pass, then I believe I have nothing to worry about, and therefore I have nothing to worry about. ^_^

I will live a happier and more fufilled life as I'm not letting something somebody made up millenia ago rule my life. I look forward to reality, and not try to give myself solace that things will be better after I die (rotting away in a box). That way, I get more done.

Actually, I think when I die, I might request to be buried in a plastic bag, that way my decomposed organs will slosh around in the bag if anyone ever digs me up. I hope I spill all over someone's fancy shoes if that happens. Then my life will be complete.

[Dolphin]

And that's how you make a 100 post thread. Funny though. Lots of posts from those who don't believe in hell or don't care enough to worry about it.....I think some peoople are a little scurrrred deep down inside, but don't wanna admit it. lol

I'm sure those who know who Dolphin is got a little chuckle out of this.

[SinJackal]

And that's how you make a 100 post thread. Funny though. Lots of posts from those who don't believe in hell or don't care enough to worry about it.....I think some peoople are a little scurrrred deep down inside, but don't wanna admit it. lol

I'm sure those who know who Dolphin is got a little chuckle out of this.

Nah, I just laugh when religious fanatics think they win debates over religion by thinking anyone arguing with them is going to hell.

I just remind them that they're going to hell according to nearly every other religion. . .and that either shuts them up, or forces them to drop the hypocritical, "their religion isn't true" card, which just makes me shake my head.

[DonDadda59]

Without Jesus you wouldn't be going to heaven..


So basically everyone who lived and died before c. 2,000 years ago is in hell right now, no matter how pious they were? That sounds like a dick move by Yahweh, but then again doesn't surprise me considering who we're taking about :oldlol:


And that's how you make a 100 post thread. Funny though. Lots of posts from those who don't believe in hell or don't care enough to worry about it.....I think some peoople are a little scurrrred deep down inside, but don't wanna admit it. lol

I'm sure those who know who Dolphin is got a little chuckle out of this.

I don't think anyone took your posts seriously considering you're probably one of the biggest 'sinners' here :oldlol: But a religious debate in the OTC always stirs up controversy, so anyone could've made a 100+ response thread. And none of this has to do with fear (at least not from my side), I just get a kick out of prying people's minds and trying to figure out how normally logical, grounded people can believe absolute bullshit. And funny enough, it's all based on fear. Ironic ain't it?

[Bladers]

It's cool. You see, according to almost every other religion besides yours, you're going to burn in hell too since you didn't believe in their religion instead. Considering that according to the combined logic of all this planet's religions, everyone's burning in hell and there's nothing we can do about it.

So if what we believe simply comes to pass, then I believe I have nothing to worry about, and therefore I have nothing to worry about. ^_^

I will live a happier and more fufilled life as I'm not letting something somebody made up millenia ago rule my life. I look forward to reality, and not try to give myself solace that things will be better after I die (rotting away in a box). That way, I get more done.

Actually, I think when I die, I might request to be buried in a plastic bag, that way my decomposed organs will slosh around in the bag if anyone ever digs me up. I hope I spill all over someone's fancy shoes if that happens. Then my life will be complete.

Jesus is not a religion, that is the difference.
He is the son of the Almighty God, and he didn't come to start a religon and a bunch of rules and regulations, Jesus came to bring us back and reconcile us to God. We Christians are called to fellowship with God through Jesus Christ..

The reason Jesus died is so we can have fellowship with God.
But a Holy God does not fellowship with sin, so Jesus paid the price for our sin and is now our mediator between us and God.

He proved himself to be God, Fulfilling thousands of years of prophecies spoken about him, and rose from the dead.

Mohammad is dead, so are other idols people worship.
But jesus rose from the DEAD.
He is alive and alive to today.
The proof is fulfilled prophecy.

Not only that, he is REAL. He is more real than you.
He reveals himself, he is not a distant personality.
He doesn't sit in the sky and have a time-clock to stop at the end of age.
HE IS REAL.
He is in me!
He reveals himself to me.

and also I have a wonderful life, more wonderful than you think.

[Dolphin]

Jesus is not a religion, that is the difference.
He is the son of the Almighty God, and he didn't come to start a religon and a bunch of rules and regulations, Jesus came to bring us back and reconcile us to God. We Christians are called to fellowship with God through Jesus Christ..

The reason Jesus died is so we can have fellowship with God.
But a Holy God does not fellowship with sin, so Jesus paid the price for our sin and is now our mediator between us and God.

He proved himself to be God, Fulfilling thousands of years of prophecies spoken about him, and rose from the dead.

Mohammad is dead, so are other idols people worship.
But jesus rose from the DEAD.
He is alive and alive to today.
The proof is fulfilled prophecy.

Not only that, he is REAL. He is more real than you.
He reveals himself, he is not a distant personality.
He doesn't sit in the sky and have a time-clock to stop at the end of age.
HE IS REAL.
He is in me!
He reveals himself to me.

and also I have a wonderful life, more wonderful than you think.

On a scale of 1-10, rate how REAL Jesus is and then rate how REAL I am.

[step_back]

Jesus is not a religion, that is the difference.
He is the son of the Almighty God, and he didn't come to start a religon and a bunch of rules and regulations, Jesus came to bring us back and reconcile us to God. We Christians are called to fellowship with God through Jesus Christ..

The reason Jesus died is so we can have fellowship with God.
But a Holy God does not fellowship with sin, so Jesus paid the price for our sin and is now our mediator between us and God.

He proved himself to be God, Fulfilling thousands of years of prophecies spoken about him, and rose from the dead.

Mohammad is dead, so are other idols people worship.
But jesus rose from the DEAD.
He is alive and alive to today.
The proof is fulfilled prophecy.

Not only that, he is REAL. He is more real than you.
He reveals himself, he is not a distant personality.
He doesn't sit in the sky and have a time-clock to stop at the end of age.
HE IS REAL.
He is in me!
He reveals himself to me.

and also I have a wonderful life, more wonderful than you think.

I hope he wined and dined you first you little tart....

[Dresta]

I've got two things to say about this.

1: Have many other posters noticed Dresta is a really good poster?

2: Does anyone seriously believe in hell anymore? The idea that 'the devil', i.e. 'the enemy of god', punishes you more and more severely based on which rules of god's that you broke is just laughable.

Why would 'the devil' punish anyone for going against the teachings of someone he hates? If anything you should get some kind of christmas bonus for giving him a few laughs.

Religious "Hell" is the most illogical human idea of all time.Cheers, glad to see someone appreciates what i write, the amount of neg rep i seem to be getting i'm amazed.
:applause:

Great post, I can tell we have a similar view on spirituality. Jesus, Buddha, and other spiritual leaders were attempting to set a pious example for those whom they influenced. When you really think about it, all religions have the same fundamental message of compassion and empathy towards others.

The problem is when people start getting caught up details and restrictions, and this in turn leads to the entire message being diluted. It's not about cussing, using drugs, having premarital sex etc, the only thing that matters is that you try to live morally. If that's confusing, morally simply means treating others like you would want others to treat you.You should read the 'Jefferson Bible' then. Basically the tales of Jesus with all the supernatural nonsense cut out. In fact if you really concentrate on Jesus' ideals, you'd realize he is a socialist, funny that no one seems to realize it these days.
Its funny that we have opposite view on basketball and now God.
But its not funny because you are an eternal being.
You will spend eternity somewhere, whether heaven or hell.
I don't want anyone to go to hell.:cry:

The devil won't punish you, he will rule you.

John 8:44-45
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

1John 2:14-16
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

2 Corinthians 4:3
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
Yeah, that's a load of rubbish written generations after the fact, it is not the word of God, rather the word of a bunch of corrupt mammals.
Jesus is not a religion, that is the difference.
He is the son of the Almighty God, and he didn't come to start a religon and a bunch of rules and regulations, Jesus came to bring us back and reconcile us to God. We Christians are called to fellowship with God through Jesus Christ..

The reason Jesus died is so we can have fellowship with God.
But a Holy God does not fellowship with sin, so Jesus paid the price for our sin and is now our mediator between us and God.

He proved himself to be God, Fulfilling thousands of years of prophecies spoken about him, and rose from the dead.

Mohammad is dead, so are other idols people worship.
But jesus rose from the DEAD.
He is alive and alive to today.
The proof is fulfilled prophecy.

Not only that, he is REAL. He is more real than you.
He reveals himself, he is not a distant personality.
He doesn't sit in the sky and have a time-clock to stop at the end of age.
HE IS REAL.
He is in me!
He reveals himself to me.

and also I have a wonderful life, more wonderful than you think.Yeah, in fact Jesus was a myth copied from a dozen of other desert religions that had existed for thousands of years before. lol @ anyone who thought the virgin birth, resurrection, disciples etc was anything new. It had all been seen before.

[miller-time]

lol @ anyone who thought the virgin birth, resurrection, disciples etc was anything new. It had all been seen before.

it is just circular logic with these people. how bladers thinks that adding a resurrection to the jesus story makes its claim for legitimacy any stronger is beyond me.

it is exactly like saying the lord of the rings is real because it has humans in it and humans are real so therefore the lord of the rings actually happened. except in this case we can't even establish that the resurrection took place lol.

[gigantes]

How do non-believers feel about going to hell?
i feel great, particularly knowing that so many of you self-righteous, bible-thumping idiots don't have the slightest idea how your own holy book was actually formed [look it up], nor who josuah josephson actually was [look it up].

fact is, when i need god in my life, i ask him to materialise and do my will. and so far, he always has.

and when i don't need god, i ask him to return to the nothingness from whence he came. and so far, that's what he always does.

...

and that's the way it's always been for any smart member of humanity, and if you look at the archeological finds, you'll find the bones of our members scattered in memorable and sacred ways... as if our fellow tribespeople respected us.

and meanwhile, the bones of you "jesus" cultists usually seem to accumulate in shallow scrapings, as if everyone involved was embarrassed about the whole thing.

then again, you loudmouths have been around for only a tiny fraction of human history...

of course, that's according to empirical nag hamadi and dead sea evidence, and not the hickory-stick bundle of nonsense that you crack-pot christians typically spew, as supported by the idiot-book that you sycophants call "the bible," which is in reality a totally manipulated collection of selected nonsense as doctrinated by middle-roman emperors in order to serve their agenda at the time. [again, look all of this up]

...

but seriously, what's not to love? not only were my ancestors right about you idiots in the first place, but archeologists and researchers had it right all along, too.

but yes, when i one day get to either 'the pearly gates' or the mythically hellish equivalent, i won't forget to ram your desiccated corpse up saint peter's or beelzebub's arse, whoever's nearer. and as a small measure of respect, i promise to take their scream of pain with a grain of salt. :)

any questions?

[tgan3]

I am shocked that so many on here have willingly turned their back on God simply to enjoy the evil pleasures that present themselves on earth.

Is going to hell worth this false freedom?

Why dont you go be a suicide bomber? You would be rewarded with 72 virgins when u die.

[Quizno]

christian logic is my favorite kind of logic

seriously, i love how christians are always like "ATHEISTS AREN'T AGAINST RELIGION, THEY'RE JUST AGAINST CHRISTIANS WE'RE ALWAYS PROSECUTED RAH RAH RHAH WAAAH" well no shit, you guys are such easy targets and you're so public about your beliefs and you keep saying the same shit over and over. i love this gem:


The reason Jesus died is so we can have fellowship with God.
But a Holy God does not fellowship with sin, so Jesus paid the price for our sin and is now our mediator between us and God."

you're saying literally nothing at all :oldlol:

there is no semblance of anything logical in that statement whatsoever.

[AirGauge23]

His followers perished. Obviously he can't be the one true God.

Which god do I believe in who is false?

No they didn't.

There are still many believers out there. Myself included.

[miller-time]

christian logic is my favorite kind of logic

seriously, i love how christians are always like "ATHEISTS AREN'T AGAINST RELIGION, THEY'RE JUST AGAINST CHRISTIANS WE'RE ALWAYS PROSECUTED RAH RAH RHAH WAAAH"

heh i think you mean persecuted.

[RoTM]

I haven't seriously thought about actually going to hell in like 10 years. Once you get over the anger you can actually start analyzing things for the way they work. Thats not a pretty thing since history points to the way things being done as how they are intended. Even when the majority believes in ideals the world wasn't changed. So my new question lately isn't what I think about going to hell but, in a manner of speaking, why I shouldn't want to.

[Jackass18]

No, the key principle in Christianity is to preach Jesus the savior, the only way to God and heaven.

I'm I judging you in telling you that there is a Holy God that made the world and all things therein, seeing he gives to all life, and breath to all things.
but now commandeth all men every where to repent. Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man Jesus Christ, whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
He sent his only Son and died on a cross and suffered to pay the penalty of sin. and now he is the only way to the Father and to Heaven.

Without Jesus you wouldn't be going to heaven..
Thats judging? No my friend that is the gospel.

Thou art brainwashed.

[RaininThrees]

Mohammad is dead, so are other idols people worship.
But jesus rose from the DEAD.
He is alive and alive to today.
The proof is fulfilled prophecy.



I am terrified of Zombie Jesus.

[brooks_thompson]

even assuming jesus existed much to the form of his teaching in the bible (minus the supernatural crap that's just fantasy plot device in so much literature), i cannot understand worshiping another human being.

honestly, a group of people just bought into his schizophrenia and ran with it and used him to gain power. that or it's decent-to-interesting fiction, take your pick.

[lefthook00]

If anything, hell on is Earth. So is heaven. On an individual level, what can we not experience here? Collectively speaking, what can we not accomplish? I've experienced/witnessed/learned about sh*t that is so evil, how could hell be worse? What can be worse than looking in someones eyes and seeing a crushed or sold soul? What can be worse than genocide and rape? Some fire around me, no chance of self-actualization, perpetual torment? People live that sh*t everyday here on Earth. I've also experienced things in life that brought me to tears from such love/selflessness/sacrifice/beauty. Look into your parents'/child's/your lover's eyes and tell me it isn't heaven.

Now why would I be wasting my time being worried about some hell sh*t after I die? Doesn't even make sense, really. I guess it's so people can feel like they will be "rewarded" for good behavior, and "punished" for bad behavior, in the end, after you die. But the means are more powerful than the end in our lives.

[Bladers]

You people are bold now, but if you were 5mins away from death.
You wouldn't be bold as you are now.

Ofcourse right now, its good and dandy.
you are enjoying the pleasures of sin and of the world.
Death is far and far away, you have a long life ahead of you.
But when it comes time to die, when you are minutes away from dying.
Supposedly, next month you were shot multiple times and you were minutes away from dying!

Will you guys be bold and arrogant as you are right now?
When the reality hits that "OMG, I'm dying, I'm dying!!!" sets in. When your entire life flashes before your eyes! Will you be bold then as you are right now?

Or will doubts fill your mind? As your body dies and your spirit slowly slips into eternity...

[chungerball]

You people are bold now, but if you were 5mins away from death.
You wouldn't be bold as you are now.

Ofcourse right now, its good and dandy.
you are enjoying the pleasures of sin and of the world.
Death is far and far away, you have a long life ahead of you.
But when it comes time to die, when you are minutes away from dying.
Supposedly, next month you were shot multiple times and you were minutes away from dying!

Will you guys be bold and arrogant as you are right now?
When the reality hits that "OMG, I'm dying, I'm dying!!!" sets in. When your entire life flashes before your eyes! Will you be bold then as you are right now?

Or will doubts fill your mind? As your body dies and your spirit slowly slips into eternity...

You are such a douchebag.

[boozehound]

You people are bold now, but if you were 5mins away from death.
You wouldn't be bold as you are now.

Ofcourse right now, its good and dandy.
you are enjoying the pleasures of sin and of the world.
Death is far and far away, you have a long life ahead of you.
But when it comes time to die, when you are minutes away from dying.
Supposedly, next month you were shot multiple times and you were minutes away from dying!

Will you guys be bold and arrogant as you are right now?
When the reality hits that "OMG, I'm dying, I'm dying!!!" sets in. When your entire life flashes before your eyes! Will you be bold then as you are right now?

Or will doubts fill your mind? As your body dies and your spirit slowly slips into eternity...
but why wont I reach out to Quetzalcoatl or Zeus instead. Maybe I will have the dier's remorse, but what makes you so arrogant that the one religion you were enculturated with (out of the hundreds or even thousands of human cosmologies) is the one true path?
What will you do, when on your death bed you close your eyes and the tunnel ends not at a smiling st. peter holding the pearly gates open but instead is
http://www.neosurrealismart.com/3d-artist-gallery/3d-artworks/3d-fantasy-art/323d-shiva-destroyer-M.jpg

[Heilige]

In fact if you really concentrate on Jesus' ideals, you'd realize he is a socialist, funny that no one seems to realize it these days.



http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html



Jesus Defended the Right to Freely Contract and Private Property Rights

Besides the Golden Rule which Jesus commanded as the ultimate social ethic, another Biblical account of Jesus's teachings which clearly demonstrates His attitude toward the institution of private property and the free and voluntary trade thereof is given in His below Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard:

Matthew 20:1-16: "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day?' They said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.' So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.' And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius. But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius. And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner, saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.' But he answered one of them and said, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good? So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."

It never ceases to amaze me when Socialists sometimes try to claim that Jesus was some sort of proto-Socialist or Communist. Anyone who is the least bit familiar with the Socialists' attitude toward such matters would know that the typical Socialist response to such a landowner's actions towards his workers would be to scream bloody murder! Of course, a Socialist government's response to such a land owner would be to exterminate him. Yet here Jesus reinforces the correctness of the libertarian creed on the absoluteness of lawfully being able to do what one wishes with their own possessions, as well as being able to freely and voluntarily contract said possessions as one sees fit--even if doing so greatly upsets others! So long as one has kept one's word in the contracts in which one has agreed to--and so long as one's actions pertain to their own property--then the right of the individual to make decisions concerning their property remains absolute!



Jesus Supported the Collecting of Interest (Usury)

One of the Socialists' great bugbears has been the institution of usury, or otherwise the collecting of interest. Yet in the only instance in which Jesus commented upon this He was clearly in favor of the concept, as is given in His Parable of the Talents, in which a man traveling to a far-away country leaves his three servants with some talents to make use of in the best way they see fit while he is away--the first two servants invest the talents and receive more talents from their initial investment, and this makes the lord of the estate happy to hear this upon his return; but here is what Jesus says of the third servant:

Matthew 25:24-27: "Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.' But his lord answered and said to him, 'You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest." (See also Luke 19:21-23.)

Now obviously this parable is a lesson on how Christians should be ever vigilant in converting people to salvation in Christ, in that we should not keep the Gospel of Christ to ourselves but always seek to increase the number of Christians in the world. But even so, it nevertheless demonstrates that Jesus was hardly hostile to the concept of the collecting of interest, considering that this was his only commentary given on the subject. But moreover, it ties in quite appropriately with Jesus's attitude toward the absolute lawfulness of an individual doing what they wish with their own property--including freely contracting thereof--as told by Jesus in his Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard as recorded in Matthew 20:1-16.

[step_back]

Bladers what is your opinion on someone who has a belief in God and lives a life with Morals and good ethics but doesn't follow a religion.

Is it fair for them to be punished in hell?

[Dresta]

http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html
Yeah, right, a guy that said the only way to get into heaven is to believe in him and get baptized was a real libertarian anarchist. :hammerhead:

Anyway, all that shows is that there are lots of contradictions in the Bible. But there's no denying that he had socialist ideals.

"Socialism". Oxford English Dictionary. "1. A theory or policy of social organization which aims at or advocates the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole, and their administration or distribution in the interests of all.

Are you telling me that's a great deal different from what Jesus taught?

[Dolphin]

i feel great, particularly knowing that so many of you self-righteous, bible-thumping idiots don't have the slightest idea how your own holy book was actually formed [look it up], nor who josuah josephson actually was [look it up].

fact is, when i need god in my life, i ask him to materialise and do my will. and so far, he always has.

and when i don't need god, i ask him to return to the nothingness from whence he came. and so far, that's what he always does.

...

and that's the way it's always been for any smart member of humanity, and if you look at the archeological finds, you'll find the bones of our members scattered in memorable and sacred ways... as if our fellow tribespeople respected us.

and meanwhile, the bones of you "jesus" cultists usually seem to accumulate in shallow scrapings, as if everyone involved was embarrassed about the whole thing.

then again, you loudmouths have been around for only a tiny fraction of human history...

of course, that's according to empirical nag hamadi and dead sea evidence, and not the hickory-stick bundle of nonsense that you crack-pot christians typically spew, as supported by the idiot-book that you sycophants call "the bible," which is in reality a totally manipulated collection of selected nonsense as doctrinated by middle-roman emperors in order to serve their agenda at the time. [again, look all of this up]

...

but seriously, what's not to love? not only were my ancestors right about you idiots in the first place, but archeologists and researchers had it right all along, too.

but yes, when i one day get to either 'the pearly gates' or the mythically hellish equivalent, i won't forget to ram your desiccated corpse up saint peter's or beelzebub's arse, whoever's nearer. and as a small measure of respect, i promise to take their scream of pain with a grain of salt. :)

any questions?

lol

[Quizno]

heh i think you mean persecuted.
whoops, yeah i certainly did

[Bladers]

but why wont I reach out to Quetzalcoatl or Zeus instead. Maybe I will have the dier's remorse, but what makes you so arrogant that the one religion you were enculturated with (out of the hundreds or even thousands of human cosmologies) is the one true path?
What will you do, when on your death bed you close your eyes and the tunnel ends not at a smiling st. peter holding the pearly gates open but instead is
http://www.neosurrealismart.com/3d-artist-gallery/3d-artworks/3d-fantasy-art/323d-shiva-destroyer-M.jpg

Do you even know what story Zeus is? Or do you just repeat it because Richard Dawkins says it ?

You should do some research(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus) before saying something, comparing the Almighty God to a fable myth, how foolish.

There is only ONE God who made heaven and earth.
Who is King of Heaven, and his son sitting at his right hand.

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire."

"A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."

[lilbeastnani]

I don't feel like going through this entire 10 page thread, but wouldn't the fact that it's a non-believer mean they don't believe in a heaven or a hell either?

[Bladers]

I don't feel like going through this entire 10 page thread, but wouldn't the fact that it's a non-believer mean they don't believe in a heaven or a hell either?

Just because you don't believe it exist, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Some people believe the holocaust didn't happen, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[DonDadda59]

Do you even know what story Zeus is? Or do you just repeat it because Richard Dawkins says it ?

You should do some research(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus) before saying something, comparing the Almighty God to a fable myth, how foolish.

I don't know how many times I've posted this during these debates... but regarding Zeus (Jupiter) and Jesus:


And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter.

...

And if we assert that the Word of God was born of God in a peculiar manner, different from ordinary generation, let this, as said above, be no extraordinary thing to you, who say that Mercury is the angelic word of God. But if any one objects that He was crucified, in this also He is on a par with those reputed sons of Jupiter of yours, who suffered as we have now enumerated.

And if we even affirm that He was born of a virgin, accept this in common with what you accept of Perseus. And in that we say that He made whole the lame, the paralytic, and those born blind, we seem to say what is very similar to the deeds said to have been done by Aesculapius.

-Justin Martyr (103-165 CE), Early Church Father

So yeah, the Early Church disagrees with you on that point :oldlol:

And something that's always bugged me:


There is only ONE God who made heaven and earth.
Who is King of Heaven, and his son sitting at his right hand.

The scriptures in the OT make it clear that there is only ONE God, that's it. So is Jesus a separate entity from God, if not why is he considered his 'son'? And if Jesus is in fact a separate entity... doesn't this contradict the notion of one God? How is this not polytheism/blatant paganism?

[Bladers]

And the Boogie Man!
http://lovethatfeeling.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/needles-nothing-to-be-scared-of1.png
The sad thing is, metaphors sometimes reflect the reality.

In this case, the boogie man reflect the REAL. Satan and his angels(demons).

[DonDadda59]

The sad thing is, metaphors sometimes reflect the reality.

In this case, the boogie man reflect the REAL. Satan and his angels(demons).

Address my points, please :D

You always seem to conveniently skip over the points I bring up and the questions I ask whenever you are preaching and proselytizing...

[Jackass18]

Ofcourse right now, its good and dandy.
you are enjoying the pleasures of sin and of the world.

I'm enjoying what was provided to me by 'God'.

[lilbeastnani]

Just because you don't believe it exist, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Some people believe the holocaust didn't happen, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Do you not understand why I asked that question?

[Bladers]

So yeah, the Early Church disagrees with you on that point :oldlol:
I don't know how many times I've posted this during these debates... but regarding Zeus (Jupiter) and Jesus:

And something that's always bugged me:


"For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?
"(acts 19)

Read that, Does it address your points? Pretty much shatters it.
There is NO GOD MADE by hands or mans imaginations.





The scriptures in the OT make it clear that there is only ONE God, that's it. So is Jesus a separate entity from God, if not why is he considered his 'son'? And if Jesus is in fact a separate entity... doesn't this contradict the notion of one God? How is this not polytheism/blatant paganism?

You are addresing something you have no idea about.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

One God(Deity), Three persons.

[EarlTheGoat]

"For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?
"(acts 19)

Read that, Does it address your points? Pretty much shatters it.
There is NO GOD MADE by hands or mans imaginations.




You are addresing something you have no idea about.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

One God(Deity), Three persons.

Who gives a flying f*ck. Your God is Kobe, not "God" actually.

[boozehound]

Do you even know what story Zeus is? Or do you just repeat it because Richard Dawkins says it ?

You should do some research(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus) before saying something, comparing the Almighty God to a fable myth, how foolish.

There is only ONE God who made heaven and earth.
Who is King of Heaven, and his son sitting at his right hand.

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire."

"A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."
thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion and quoting an irrelevant bible verse. Using the bible as support to prove god's existence is like using ricky henderson's bibliography to prove ricky henderson was the greatest baseball player of all time. Talk about a ****ing circlejerk argument.

of course I am aware of who zeus is. :facepalm What does Dawkins have to do with anything. Now, do you know who Quetzalcoatl or Pachacamac are? No google.

what makes that a fable and the bible the word of god? Your enculturated perspective? Thanks for that, its a really convincing argument.

[boozehound]

Just because you don't believe it exist, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Some people believe the holocaust didn't happen, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
conversely, just because you believe in it doesnt mean that it does exist.

Some people believe that the 9/11 airplane attacks were ordered and executed by the US government.

[Bladers]

Do you not understand why I asked that question?

You said:


but wouldn't the fact that it's a non-believer mean they don't believe in a heaven or a hell either?

I replied with, Just because you/they(unbelievers) don't believe in (heaven/hell) does not mean it does not exist.

[EarlTheGoat]

Bladers you read the Bible because you think it was written by Kobe, come on dude, STFU already.

[boozehound]

"For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?
"(acts 19)

Read that, Does it address your points? Pretty much shatters it.
There is NO GOD MADE by hands or mans imaginations.




You are addresing something you have no idea about.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

One God(Deity), Three persons.
imagine that, a book written by people trying to promote their cosmology questions the legitimacy of other cosmologies? Holy shit.

pretty much shatters what? All gods are created by man, since religions is fundamentally a cultural construction. sorry to break it to you kid, but your yaweh is no more real than zeus.


I gotta think this is just another of your troll attempts, because no one can be this stupid. can they?

[boozehound]

You said:



I replied with, Just because you/they(unbelievers) don't believe in (heaven/hell) does not mean it does not exist.
and just because you religious nut believe in it God, does not mean that it does exist.
how do you not see that your logical argument doesnt help you?

[Bladers]

Bladers you read the Bible because you think it was written by Kobe, come on dude, STFU already.

Does this look like a joke? This is serious business.
We are talking about where you will spend eternity at.

This ISNT NOT A JOKE!!!
Have you wondered while I haven't posted in the NBA forum for the last couple of days? Because of this.

This is serious business, and it needs to be addressed without humor or jokes.

[DonDadda59]

Read that, Does it address your points? Pretty much shatters it.
There is NO GOD MADE by hands or mans imaginations.
:oldlol:

First of all, it wasn't my point, it was that of an early Church father, a saint. Secondly, it did it not 'shatter' anything or even dent Justin's point that Jesus' story is the same exact tale as the myths pertaining to the sons of Jupiter (Zeus)...


And if we even affirm that He was born of a virgin, accept this in common with what you accept of Perseus

Perseus was the son of the god Zeus and the mortal virgin Dana

[Noob Saibot]

Bladers continues to add to his negative reputation, keep blasting away my friend.

[brooks_thompson]

Does this look like a joke? This is serious business.
We are talking about where you will spend eternity at.

This ISNT NOT A JOKE!!!
Have you wondered while I haven't posted in the NBA forum for the last couple of days? Because of this.

This is serious business, and it needs to be addressed without humor or jokes.

don't worry, your summer bible camp indoctrination will wear off soon. those things are a danger to formerly sane-thinking teenagers everywhere

[boozehound]

Bladers continues to add to his negative reputation, keep blasting away my friend.
the problem is, hes already been negged by everyone so they cant neg him any further (or at least I cant, not till I spread the rep like his mama's kittykat).

[EarlTheGoat]

Does this look like a joke? This is serious business.
We are talking about where you will spend eternity at.

This ISNT NOT A JOKE!!!
Have you wondered while I haven't posted in the NBA forum for the last couple of days? Because of this.

This is serious business, and it needs to be addressed without humor or jokes.


I didnt wonder or cared, you are not a core piece of the NBA Forum. But anyway, you were probably sucking Bryant`s cawk, trying to fit it in your mouth.

[Jackass18]

How do you feel about being brainwashed?

[Bladers]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]:oldlol:

First of all, it wasn't my point, it was that of an early Church father, a saint. Secondly, it did it not 'shatter' anything or even dent Justin's point that Jesus' story is the same exact tale as the myths pertaining to the sons of Jupiter (Zeus)...



Perseus was the son of the god Zeus and the mortal virgin Dana

[DonDadda59]

That is your answer.
You know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. So that is why it doesn't make sense to you, but yet you are trying to make a statement about it.

Its like trying to make statement about a Nuclear Reactor when you don't know crap about it.:banghead:

Please, educate me then. I'm all ears.

Then you can tell me everything you know about Nuclear fission, but fairy tales first :banana:

[Dresta]

Just because you don't believe it exist, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Some people believe the holocaust didn't happen, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I have to say that's one of the worst comparisons i've ever seen. Don't bother comparing the tangible and intangible to try and prove your point, its idiotic.

[lilbeastnani]

You said:



I replied with, Just because you/they(unbelievers) don't believe in (heaven/hell) does not mean it does not exist.
Are you really that dense? The question of the thread says how do non-believers feel about going to hell? That's like asking how you feel about going to the north pole on Santa's sled for XMAS. If you didn't believe in Santa than you wouldn't believe there is a factory with elves working in it for you to go to and therefore wouldn't have an opinion on it.

[lurch67]

OK I have only just recently started posting again after about a year or so. Does Blader=SuperBoy18?:confusedshrug:

[kentatm]

I'm not even worried as a Catholic considering the modern Western idea of hell was created by an abusive, blind, asshole...

[FinishHim!]

Jesus has been "coming soon" for the last 2000+ years at least.

[lurch67]

Possibly, and it would make sense given that the account he used in the interim(ReggieCurry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152759&page=2)) was banned. He probably doesn't want to admit it though, considering the year is drawing to a close and his prediction of martial law, first by the end of last year, then the beginning of this year, then by June of this year, never came to fruition.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dro0536l.jpg
I thought I picked up on something in thread the other night (video prooves god is real) that I guess got pulled. Something how religion has nothing to do with God. Very close to a previous argument about 2 years ago in a thread about audio from some mine in russia being demons or some dumb crap.

[Noob Saibot]

Here a question for Bladers:

You think the world is going to end in 2012? Is the rapture coming?

[Bladers]

Possibly, and it would make sense given that the account he used in the interim(ReggieCurry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152759&page=2)) was banned. He probably doesn't want to admit it though, considering the year is drawing to a close and his prediction of martial law, first by the end of last year, then the beginning of this year, then by June of this year, never came to fruition.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dro0536l.jpg

Anyone whose active in the NBA forum would know I'm not whosoever you named...


I thought I picked up on something in thread the other night (video prooves god is real) that I guess got pulled. Something how religion has nothing to do with God. Very close to a previous argument about 2 years ago in a thread about audio from some mine in russia being demons or some dumb crap.
O_O
I guess you haven't been in the NBA forum if you are going to accuse me of being someone that I'm CLEARLY not.

[Bladers]

Here a question for Bladers:

You think the world is going to end in 2012? Is the rapture coming?
No and No.

[Bladers]

Guys, what if I tell you something that God said through someone, that will happen in the future and it happens? Will you believe then?

[miller-time]

imagine that, a book written by people trying to promote their cosmology questions the legitimacy of other cosmologies? Holy shit.

pretty much shatters what? All gods are created by man, since religions is fundamentally a cultural construction. sorry to break it to you kid, but your yaweh is no more real than zeus.

that is what gets me too, why is it that the one real religion (whichever it is) uses exactly the same mediums to get their messages across? they all use books and they all have prophets. why is it no matter what religion it is god can't seem to do anything himself and has to use something that people can do?

if the bible came off a conveyer belt from heaven i would follow it, if god spoke to everyone at one time every now and then i would believe. but instead it is the same old human limited method. for gods sake!! do something original if you exist lol.



I gotta think this is just another of your troll attempts, because no one can be this stupid. can they?

he has to be. but his persistence confuses me. i can understand a crazy christian being so persistent, but how can a troll have such a boring life they think that partaking in this type of behaviour is fulfilling?

[chungerball]

Guys, what if I tell you something that God said through someone, that will happen in the future and it happens? Will you believe then?

NO...I would say that that someone is coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's like those stupid pastors who supposedly speak to "God" as well. You must be really messed up in the head to speak to an invisible being. Let me ask you this question. Do you believe a child's imaginary friend is real if they said so?:facepalm

[SinJackal]

Can someone answer to me why Bladers, one of the worst and most ingnorant, stubborn trolls of the NBA Forum, thinks we should take him seriously?

Your NBA Forum ignorance clearly stems from your religious ignorance, Bladers. You're not going to "convert" adults. It's something that DOES NOT happen. The extremely large majority of the time an adult is "converted" is when they're weak-willed enough to think some misfortune that happened to them in life was because they weren't religious. . .as if it was some kind of punishment (something which would be false, based on religious teachings, since God 'doesn't intervene').

The people on here who don't give a shit about your religion, will continue to not give a shit, and just make fun of you for trying. Religion is basically a joke to non-religious people. I think I can speak for most of us (maybe not all), in saying that was giggle to ourselves every time we see or hear about someone who's highly devoted to religion. It's stupid and a waste of time to us. We don't care. We never will.

Just stop.



Guys, what if I tell you something that God said through someone, that will happen in the future and it happens? Will you believe then?

Considering that thousands of supposed prophecies have ended up being completely incorrect, no. Guessing right once isn't going to make anyone believe in it when they've guessed wrong countless times already.

Speaking of prophecies, I'm delighted to inform you that the prophecies written about in religious texts were done so after the fact. They were not predicted. Those texts were constructed as if written hundreds of years before they actually were, perfectly "predicting" several things that happened, followed by some future event yet to happen to scare people into believing it. "Whoa, look at the religious prophecies! It's all come to pass! That means God is coming back as predicted in 30 years!!!! We better start donating our money and land now." And when it inevitably DIDN'T happen. . .excuses were made. New prophecy books were magically found. The cycle starts all over again.

It was all bullshit. All predictions like that are bullshit. If someone guesses right on some trivial event, nobody's going to care, since we know it's just a guess.

[RoseCity07]

I always wondered how do "believers" feel about being arrogant enough to believe they know anything about the after life. You know as much as anyone born knows. We come in knowing nothing, we leave the same way. Everything you're taught is by another person who was born knowing nothing.

[brooks_thompson]

http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/kneemail.jpg

[brooks_thompson]

oh god this one is delicious

http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/prevent_sinburn.jpg

[Lakers Legend#32]

Since I don't believe in hell, I have nothing to fear.

[niko]

As a non believer i'm not worried at all. :D

[Jailblazers7]

Jesus is going to make all of you mf'er eat shit in 2012.

[Bladers]

Can someone answer to me why Bladers, one of the worst and most ingnorant, stubborn trolls of the NBA Forum, thinks we should take him seriously?
Your NBA Forum ignorance clearly stems from your religious ignorance,

So i disagree with you on A GAME, A GAME OF BASKETBALL.
That then results to me being a bad person to not be take seriously on a serious issue.:lol
Lighten up, Basketball is just a game, we are talking about Eternity here.



Bladers. You're not going to "convert" adults. It's something that DOES NOT happen. The extremely large majority of the time an adult is "converted" is when they're weak-willed enough to think some misfortune that happened to them in life was because they weren't religious. . .as if it was some kind of punishment (something which would be false, based on religious teachings, since God 'doesn't intervene').

The people on here who don't give a shit about your religion, will continue to not give a shit, and just make fun of you for trying. Religion is basically a joke to non-religious people. I think I can speak for most of us (maybe not all), in saying that was giggle to ourselves every time we see or hear about someone who's highly devoted to religion. It's stupid and a waste of time to us. We don't care. We never will.

Just stop.


They might not give a damn about any religion, But if they encounter God in the person of Jesus Christ face to face. They would give a damn about him, trust me.





Considering that thousands of supposed prophecies have ended up being completely incorrect, no. Guessing right once isn't going to make anyone believe in it when they've guessed wrong countless times already.


Im not talking about guessings, anyone can say they speak for God. That doesn't mean they do.. But I'm talking about real outline for God of events that will take place shortly.
and by thousands I guess you mean people like this:
http://buffetoblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/the-end-is-near-homer-simpson1.jpg

NO THEY DON'T SPEAK FOR GOD.



Speaking of prophecies, I'm delighted to inform you that the prophecies written about in religious texts were done so after the fact. They were not predicted. Those texts were constructed as if written hundreds of years before they actually were, perfectly "predicting" several things that happened, followed by some future event yet to happen to scare people into believing it. "Whoa, look at the religious prophecies! It's all come to pass! That means God is coming back as predicted in 30 years!!!! We better start donating our money and land now." And when it inevitably DIDN'T happen. . .excuses were made. New prophecy books were magically found. The cycle starts all over again.

It was all bullshit. All predictions like that are bullshit. If someone guesses right on some trivial event, nobody's going to care, since we know it's just a guess.

I think you need to study biblical prophecy because you know absolutely nothing about it. and also study the origin of the bible because you are deluded.

[boozehound]

So i disagree with you on A GAME, A GAME OF BASKETBALL.
That then results to me being a bad person.:lol
How funny.


They might not give a damn about any religion, But if they encounter God in the person of Jesus Christ face to face. They would give a damn about him, trust me.





Im not talking about guessings, anyone can say they speak for God. That doesn't mean they do.. But I'm talking about real outline for God of events that will take place shortly.



I think you need to study biblical prophecy because you know absolutely nothing about it. and also study the origin of the bible because you are deluded.
wait, you are going to tell us that a book with an obvious and available historiography that shows all sorts of human political manipulation (which gospels were codified, which were excluded for one. King James (the version of the bible) influencing the transcription from latin to engrish for another) and is known to have been translated and skewed from any actual original meaning is the EXACT and TRUE word of god, and we are the delusional ones?

[Bladers]

wait, you are going to tell us that a book with an obvious and available historiography that shows all sorts of human political manipulation (which gospels were codified, which were excluded for one. King James (the version of the bible) influencing the transcription from latin to engrish for another) and is known to have been translated and skewed from any actual original meaning is the EXACT and TRUE word of god, and we are the delusional ones?

Yes you are deluded becasue you are making assumptions based on your lack of knowledge about the BIBLE. King James is one of the most accurate translations of the bible. Nevertheless there is something called strong's concordance.

We have the Greek and the Hebrew and those who study their bible always go threw the the original (Greek and Hebrew). Again you wouldn't know that because you are not a christian. Just like you won't know what actually goes on in a nuclear plant.

[boozehound]

Yes you are deluded becasue you are making assumptions based on your lack of knowledge about the BIBLE. King James is one of the most accurate translations of the bible. Nevertheless there is something called strong's concordance.

We have the Greek and the Hebrew and those who study their bible always go threw the the original (Greek and Hebrew). Again you wouldn't know that because you are not a christian. Just like you won't know what actually goes on in a nuclear plant.
so, because I am not a practicing Xtian, I clearly never had to study the bible? You read greek and hebrew? really? you must have an impressive educational background that belies your persona here on teh interwebs.

I would bet that I have studied the bible with much more critical rigor than you. and, the RSV kicks the crap out of the KJV, and is the bible used by most modern bible scholars without an agenda.

[boozehound]

Yes you are deluded becasue you are making assumptions based on your lack of knowledge about the BIBLE. King James is one of the most accurate translations of the bible. Nevertheless there is something called strong's concordance.

We have the Greek and the Hebrew and those who study their bible always go threw the the original (Greek and Hebrew). Again you wouldn't know that because you are not a christian. Just like you won't know what actually goes on in a nuclear plant.
besides, we dont even know for sure that the New T was orignally written in greek. it may have been written in aramaic and it was certainly not written in greek until decades after the death of X.

what about the gospels that were excluded from the cannonized NT? As usual, your response is, you cant understand because you dont study it, just like a nuclear reactor, which is a specious argument at best.

I can understand how a nuclear reactor works, even if I couldnt build one, because it works on the fundamental principles on nuclear physics. What does the bible work on? Its a bunch of codified beliefs, like any other religion, with no source of outside evidence to evaluate its actual authority.

Why Xtianity over hinduism? Because you were raised a Xtian, and arent smart/interested enough to critically evaluate your enculturated cosmology.

[Bladers]

so, because I am not a practicing Xtian, I clearly never had to study the bible? You read greek and hebrew? really? you must have an impressive educational background that belies your persona here on teh interwebs.

I would bet that I have studied the bible with much more critical rigor than you. and, the RSV kicks the crap out of the KJV, and is the bible used by most modern bible scholars without an agenda.

So lets see, I read the bible for hours every day...
and you haven't read it in what? Please give me a break.
If you knew your bible and if you had a Personal REAL relationship with Jesus.
You would never had walked away from him, You walked away because you didn't know him.

Actually RSV is known to be controversial, the writers twisted and tempered with the scriptures to fit your own personal doctrine.

[boozehound]

So lets see, I read the bible for hours every day...
and you haven't read it in what? Please give me a break.
If you knew your bible and if you had a Personal REAL relationship with Jesus.
You would never had walked away from him, You walked away because you didn't know him.

Actually RSV is known to be controversial, the writers twisted and tempered with the scriptures to fit your own personal doctrine.
you have a personal relationship with the ghost of a zombie? OK then.

reading for hours is not the same as actually reading for critical evaluation or comprehension. Also, I do not believe you.

[Bladers]

besides, we dont even know for sure that the New T was orignally written in greek. it may have been written in aramaic and it was certainly not written in greek until decades after the death of X.

what about the gospels that were excluded from the cannonized NT? As usual, your response is, you cant understand because you dont study it, just like a nuclear reactor, which is a specious argument at best.

I can understand how a nuclear reactor works, even if I couldnt build one, because it works on the fundamental principles on nuclear physics. What does the bible work on? Its a bunch of codified beliefs, like any other religion, with no source of outside evidence to evaluate its actual authority.

Why Xtianity over hinduism? Because you were raised a Xtian, and arent smart/interested enough to critically evaluate your enculturated cosmology.

you contradicted yourself.
You see, You can understand the in-depth inner working details of a nuclear reactor. But in order to understand it that way, you have to STUDY!!!!!!

Just like you can understand the bible, its contents and origin if you STUDY!!!

Why jesus over 1 million gods? Yes hindus have millions of gods they worship.
Why Jesus over them? Because Jesus is alive and real and is not a distant personality, he is real, I can fellowship with him, encounter him, know him intimately.
and all those other gods are dead, dead, dead and imaginary.

[LA KB24]

lol @ this thread.

[Bladers]

you have a personal relationship with the ghost of a zombie? OK then.

reading for hours is not the same as actually reading for critical evaluation or comprehension. Also, I do not believe you.

You don't have to, doesn't mean I don't do it.
Just like not believing in heaven/hell doesn't mean it don't exist.

[boozehound]

You don't have to, doesn't mean I don't do it.
Just like not believing in heaven/hell doesn't mean it don't exist.
and, extending your argument (which you have made and I have refuted 3 or 4 times already), just because you believe in it, doesnt mean that it does exist. and I didnt have to use a double negative!

[boozehound]

You don't have to, doesn't mean I don't do it.
Just like not believing in heaven/hell doesn't mean it don't exist.
also, how in the world do you read the bible for hours a day when you are riding KB's caulk 24/7?

[drwax26]

This is the most retarded and contradicting thread title. Most ppl who dont believe in GOD dont believe in HEAVEN or HELL!!! DUhhhhhh!!!

[Dresta]

you contradicted yourself.
You see, You can understand the in-depth inner working details of a nuclear reactor. But in order to understand it that way, you have to STUDY!!!!!!

Just like you can understand the bible, its contents and origin if you STUDY!!!

Why jesus over 1 million gods? Yes hindus have millions of gods they worship.
Why Jesus over them? Because Jesus is alive and real and is not a distant personality, he is real, I can fellowship with him, encounter him, know him intimately.
and all those other gods are dead, dead, dead and imaginary.
You sir are a complete f*cking moron. Seriously boozehound just ignore this guy, you can't have a discussion or change the mind of someone who is this distanced from reality. He should be in a mental hospital.

[MasterDurant24]

you contradicted yourself.
You see, You can understand the in-depth inner working details of a nuclear reactor. But in order to understand it that way, you have to STUDY!!!!!!

Just like you can understand the bible, its contents and origin if you STUDY!!!

Why jesus over 1 million gods? Yes hindus have millions of gods they worship.
Why Jesus over them? Because Jesus is alive and real and is not a distant personality, he is real, I can fellowship with him, encounter him, know him intimately.
and all those other gods are dead, dead, dead and imaginary.
What is wrong with you?

[DonDadda59]

you contradicted yourself.
You see, You can understand the in-depth inner working details of a nuclear reactor. But in order to understand it that way, you have to STUDY!!!!!!

Just like you can understand the bible, its contents and origin if you STUDY!!!

Why jesus over 1 million gods? Yes hindus have millions of gods they worship.
Why Jesus over them? Because Jesus is alive and real and is not a distant personality, he is real, I can fellowship with him, encounter him, know him intimately.
and all those other gods are dead, dead, dead and imaginary.

MOAR!!! I want details...

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb248/dietje-bucket/man/SEXY_MAN.gif

All revved up, hot and bothered...

[miller-time]

Because Jesus is alive and real and is not a distant personality, he is real, I can fellowship with him, encounter him, know him intimately.
and all those other gods are dead, dead, dead and imaginary.

A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

[Bladers]

Ok here its is, There will be an as-sa-si-na-tion at-temp-t on President Obama this year. I'm telling you this before it happens, so when it happens you will believe that the LORD he is GOD! and he knoweth the end from the beginning.

[brooks_thompson]

Ok here its is, There will be an as-sa-si-na-tion at-temp-t on President Obama this year. I'm telling you this before it happens, so when it happens you will believe that the LORD he is GOD! and he knoweth the end from the beginning.

i'm making a citizen's ban on you

[mhg88]

Ok here its is, There will be an as-sa-si-na-tion at-temp-t on President Obama this year. I'm telling you this before it happens, so when it happens you will believe that the LORD he is GOD! and he knoweth the end from the beginning.

So when that doesn't happen, will you end your personal relationship with your almighty hero?

"jesus how could you bro? how could you? :cry: "

[AirGauge23]

I stopped following when I realized I didn't have anything in common with them.

Jesus (Jewish)
Virgin of Guadalupe (Spanish)

[Bladers]

So god told you this? Bookmarked for future LULZ. Also, it's funny that you refute being Superboy/ReggieCurry, even though you're doing the exact same shit.

I'm sorry but there won't be any LULz though.
I want everyone to bookmark this please.
Tell your ISH friends, ISH family, and ISH relatives...

[Bladers]

That isn't even that big of a stretch in the first place. An attempt. That could easily be attributed to coincidence.

No not just an attempt a possible succeful one...
I can't say. But it will be from the ending of october through november/early dec.

[brooks_thompson]

No not just an attempt a possible succeful one...
I can't say. But it will be from the ending of october through november/early dec.

honestly --- do you have a mental illness (namely schizophrenia) or does it run in your family?

if not, then you have too high an opinion of yourself.

[knobs]

hell is what you choose to call the present,
that's why you're going through it,
I just choose to call it stressin',
to tell you fools the truth,
i don't feel that why i'm destined,
so you can call it hell but bro
i'll just say I'm below the heavens

the woooooooooorld

[Bladers]

Oh, so god wasn't sure? So much for being omnipotent. And let me guess, when it doesn't happen, you're just going to push the date back, right? Typical.

no america will be in danger around that time...
many things will happen the assassination attempt is just one of them.
and btw, I'm not God.

[Bladers]

honestly --- do you have a mental illness (namely schizophrenia) or does it run in your family?

if not, then you have too high an opinion of yourself.

Can't atheists have a discussion about God without throwing personal insults?

[miller-time]

Can't atheists have a discussion about God without throwing personal insults?

but you should go to a psychiatrist and get yourself checked out, now you are showing delusions of persecution.

[Bladers]

but you should go to a psychiatrist and get yourself checked out, now you are showing delusions of persecution.

Persecution? do you know what persecution is.
Did I not say before that people should think before pressing the post button?
Some guy telling me I'm crazy for believing in God isn't persecution, not even close. But if he hunts me and tries to kill me for believing in God, thats persecution. That is what happens in china, iran and other third world countries. If people know you believe in Christ, you will be beheaded or stoned.

[Bladers]

You're probably a little crazy for believing Obama is going to be assassinated based on nothing other than god having told you so.

and then I can turn around and say, You're probably crazy to believe there is no God despite having no proof that he doesn't exist. Though your existence and existence of things around you proves there must be a creator.


What I'm going to tell you is Bookmark what I told you, BOOKMARK IT!

[DonDadda59]

No not just an attempt a possible succeful one...
I can't say. But it will be from the ending of october through november/early dec.

It all makes sense now :oldlol:

http://ape-law.com/GAF/images/superboy01.jpg

Is this assassination happening before or after Obama (the anti-Christ) declares Martial Law... 9 months ago... or was it this past Spring?

[Dresta]

Persecution? do you know what persecution is.
Did I not say before that people should think before pressing the post button?
Some guy telling me I'm crazy for believing in God isn't persecution, not even close. But if he hunts me and tries to kill me for believing in God, thats persecution. That is what happens in china, iran and other third world countries. If people know you believe in Christ, you will be beheaded or stoned.
No its not, you are so ignorant on so many issues it is beyond belief. I think your stupidity in fact proves that God does not exist, no omnipotent being would create something so idiotic.

[Bladers]

No its not, you are so ignorant on so many issues it is beyond belief. I think your stupidity in fact proves that God does not exist, no omnipotent being would create something so idiotic.

Do you know there are different types of persecution you FOOL?
and I'm talking about persecution from the viewpoint of the bible.
So get a grip, you are not as bright as you think you are.
Trying to dim and insult others doesn't make you any smarter.

[miller-time]

Persecution? do you know what persecution is.
Did I not say before that people should think before pressing the post button?
Some guy telling me I'm crazy for believing in God isn't persecution, not even close. But if he hunts me and tries to kill me for believing in God, thats persecution. That is what happens in china, iran and other third world countries. If people know you believe in Christ, you will be beheaded or stoned.

you're taking the definition to the extreme.

persecute.

1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.

you thought he was insulting you when he wasn't. delusion of persecution. and i wasn't even being serious.

[Take Your Lumps]

Ok here its is, There will be an as-sa-si-na-tion at-temp-t on President Obama this year. I'm telling you this before it happens, so when it happens you will believe that the LORD he is GOD! and he knoweth the end from the beginning.

Well, someone is going to have his door broken down and booty hole searched thoroughly tonight. :cheers:

What an idiot.

[Dolphin]

Some people sure have spent a lot of time entertaining the ideas of one "crazy" person. lol

[chungerball]

Some people sure have spent a lot of time entertaining the ideas of one "crazy" person. lol

Don't you mean two? I recall that you and bladers are both pretty damn nutty.

[EarlTheGoat]

Don't you mean two? I recall that you and bladers are both pretty damn nutty.

:roll:

[Dresta]

Do you know there are different types of persecution you FOOL?
and I'm talking about persecution from the viewpoint of the bible.
So get a grip, you are not as bright as you think you are.
Trying to dim and insult others doesn't make you any smarter.
There is no special bible definition of word persecution.

And you bring up insults, but do you know what i find insulting? Someone telling me that i'm going to burn for eternity because i don't hold the same beliefs as them, or someone claiming to be superior to me because they have a 'special relationship' with the voice in their head. These are things that insult me. Especially when coming from a semi-literate ignoramus such as yourself.

[Noob Saibot]

Ok here its is, There will be an as-sa-si-na-tion at-temp-t on President Obama this year. I'm telling you this before it happens, so when it happens you will believe that the LORD he is GOD! and he knoweth the end from the beginning.

man u don lost it bruh. u say the world will not end in 2012, but something is telling you Barack Obama will be assassinated soon. wtf is wrong with u?

[EarlTheGoat]

Dwight > Yao


Thats all you need to know.

[KeylessEntry]

There is no special bible definition of word persecution.

And you bring up insults, but do you know what i find insulting? Someone telling me that i'm going to burn for eternity because i don't hold the same beliefs as them, or someone claiming to be superior to me because they have a 'special relationship' with the voice in their head. These are things that insult me. Especially when coming from a semi-literate ignoramus such as yourself.

Epic, this guy is one of the best posters on this board :oldlol:

[chungerball]

Dwight > Yao


Thats all you need to know.

You're a *******. That's all you need to know

[EarlTheGoat]

You're a *******. That's all you need to know
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[Dolphin]

Don't you mean two? I recall that you and bladers are both pretty damn nutty.

That's why in one of my later posts I posted something to the effect "those who know who Dolphin really is should get a chuckle out of this."

If you knew who made this thread you'd realize it was based purely in irony.

Meh, you could probably still characterize me as crazy...but it certainly isn't for believing in heaven or hell. lol

[Bladers]

man u don lost it bruh. u say the world will not end in 2012, but something is telling you Barack Obama will be assassinated soon. wtf is wrong with u?

"Attempt." I didn't say it will be completely successful or not.

[lurch67]

Didn't Jesus teach tolerance?

[miller-time]

"Attempt." I didn't say it will be completely successful or not.

attempt means unsuccessful. so if it is successful then you are wrong.

[lurch67]

Hmmmmmmmm, why do I get the feeling Uncle Sam might be paying attention to this thread? Hmmmmmmmmmm indeed....

[chungerball]

That's why in one of my later posts I posted something to the effect "those who know who Dolphin really is should get a chuckle out of this."

If you knew who made this thread you'd realize it was based purely in irony.

Meh, you could probably still characterize me as crazy...but it certainly isn't for believing in heaven or hell. lol

lol I actually don't care what anyone believes. If it doesn't affect me in any way, it's all good brotha.

[kentatm]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1elwtUWrV1qb81kc.jpg

[Bladers]

attempt means unsuccessful. so if it is successful then you are wrong.

Kobe had 24 FG attempts in the Finals...
Does that mean he missed them all?


Ignorance is bliss...:facepalm

[lurch67]

If you have the "inside scoop" on the end of days, would you spend all your free time posting about it in a off topic lounge on a basketball site. Not sure if serious....

[Dresta]

No one refers to it as the JFK assassination 'attempt' do they?

[brooks_thompson]

this is the type of thread that really straddles the line between "ignore the troll" and "make a point that the alleged troll can't counter".

and so far, he's done everything to ignore valid points with typical southern baptist christian rhetoric, just-below average retorts that keep him confident in affirming his beliefs to himself. at this point, it's not even funny as a joke troll.



i say we talk about the weather. still hitting 100 F where i am. can't wait for the fall. i miss the breeze

[Bladers]

No one refers to it as the JFK assassination 'attempt' do they?

That is because its past-tense, and its called an assassination if its successful when the person dies..
This is future-tense.

Tomorrow I'm going to attempt a jump-shot.
That is future-tense, it doesn't mean I won't be successful or not.

[DonDadda59]

Court Docs- Suicide Mission Planned to kill Obama at DNC (Sept 2008) (http://coloradoindependent.com/6857/court-docs-suicide-mission-planned-in-plot-to-kill-obama-at-dnc)


Men charged with plotting to kill Obama

Federal prosecutors charged two men with plotting a "killing spree" against African-Americans that would have been capped with an attempt to kill Sen. Barack Obama while they wore white tuxedos, federal officials said Monday.

The U.S. attorney's office in Jackson, Tennessee, said Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, were self-described white supremacists who met online through a mutual friend.

Both men have been charged with illegal possession of a sawed-off shotgun, conspiracy to rob a federally licensed gun dealer and making threats against a presidential candidate.

-October 2008

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-27/justice/obama.plot_1_gun-dealer-obama-event-first-african-american-nominee?_s=PM:CRIME


Plot to assassinate Obama foiled in Turkey

ISTANBUL, Turkey (CNN) -- U.S. officials have taken "very seriously" a plot to assassinate President Barack Obama involving a Syrian man who was arrested late last week in Turkey, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

But the officials strongly cautioned that American presidents are frequent targets of threats that are all watched very carefully, and in this case the alleged plotter did not appear to get anywhere close to Obama during his European tour.

The officials also noted that while Obama gets more threats than usual as the first African-American U.S. president, this particular threat did not force any change to his schedule.

-April 2009
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/06/turkey.assassination.plot/


Arkansas man sentenced for Obama death plot

An Arkansas man was sentenced to 10 years in prison Thursday for plotting to kill dozens of blacks, including then-Sen. Barack Obama, federal authorities said.

Paul Schlesselman pleaded guilty in January and was sentenced in an Arkansas federal court Thursday.

Federal officials said Schlesselman had threatened to kill Obama on October 23, 2008, shortly before the presidential election.


He also planned to "murder dozens of people with a focus on murdering African-Americans," the Justice Department said.

-April 2010
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-16/justice/obama.threat_1_paul-schlesselman-justice-department-arkansas-man?_s=PM:CRIME


Praise GAWD, the LAWD is good :bowdown:

[Bladers]

Why I'm I even trying to have a discussion with people who want to remain in their ignorance at all cost.:facepalm

[DonDadda59]

Why I'm I even trying to have a discussion with people who want to remain in their ignorance at all cost.:facepalm

Because when martial law was declared on like 9 different occasions the past 2 years, that was one of the edicts passed down by the Anti-Christ Obama.

Question- if Obama is the Anti-Horus... I mean Christ... does that mean he will be resurrected too? Instead of offering salvation, his death will condemn souls to damnation. How does the whole zombie thing work? :confusedshrug:

[Bladers]

Also there will be another financial fallout/collapse starting ending of october this year.
BOOKMARK THAT ASWELL!

[Bladers]

Because when martial law was declared on like 9 different occasions the past 2 years, that was one of the edicts passed down by the Anti-Christ Obama.

Question- if Obama is the Anti-Horus... I mean Christ... does that mean he will be resurrected too? Instead of offering salvation, his death will condemn souls to damnation. How does the whole zombie thing work? :confusedshrug:

Dude you are talking to me, not the nut cases you see on YT.
Obama is not the anti-christ.
2012 is not the END OF THE WORLD.
Stop trying to address me threw proxies of others.
Talk to be straight or don't talk to me at all.

Bookmark what I [posted] when it comes to pass. Its your choice to believe or not.
Point Blank.

[DonDadda59]

Dude you are talking to me, not the nut cases you see on YT.
Obama is not the anti-christ.
2012 is not the END OF THE WORLD.
Stop trying to address me threw proxies of others.
Talk to be straight or don't talk to me at all.

Bookmark what I [posted] when it comes to pass. Its your choice to believe or not.
Point Blank.

Whatever you say Reggie.

All I'm saying is check your math. Revelations is nothing more than some Ancient dessert-dwellers' recordings of shroom trips (seriously, study what 'manna' is in the scriptures and the sacred mushroom). You thinking it's 'prophesy' is the reason why you keep having to go back to the drawing board whenever your bookmarked bullshit never comes to pass.

But yeah sure, I'll be looking for another financial collapse even though the recession has been officially over for a year now, and I'll be waiting on 'attempts' :cheers:

[Bladers]

Whatever you say Reggie.

All I'm saying is check your math. Revelations is nothing more than some Ancient dessert-dwellers' recordings of shroom trips (seriously, study what 'manna' is in the scriptures and the sacred mushroom). You thinking it's 'prophesy' is the reason why you keep having to go back to the drawing board whenever your bookmarked bullshit never comes to pass.

But yeah sure, I'll be looking for another financial collapse even though the recession has been officially over for a year now, and I'll be waiting on 'attempts' :cheers:

Finally, That makes two of us.
When it happens will you believe though? thats the question...

[brooks_thompson]

Whatever you say Reggie.

All I'm saying is check your math. Revelations is nothing more than some Ancient dessert-dwellers' recordings of shroom trips (seriously, study what 'manna' is in the scriptures and the sacred mushroom). You thinking it's 'prophesy' is the reason why you keep having to go back to the drawing board whenever your bookmarked bullshit never comes to pass.

But yeah sure, I'll be looking for another financial collapse even though the recession has been officially over for a year now, and I'll be waiting on 'attempts' :cheers:

the full recovery will take 3-5 years. see ya then.

blatant trolls and religious nuts i will never understand.

[Bladers]

the full recovery will take 3-5 years. see ya then.

blatant trolls and religious nuts i will never understand.

Just wait and see.
When it comes to pass.what will you Do with God?
Will you still shove him aside? and cling to your lifestyle and unbelief.
Or will you believe?

In acouple of months, you will have no excuse for no believing in the Lord God.

[brooks_thompson]

Just wait and see.
When it comes to pass.what will you Do with God?
Will you still shove him aside? and cling to your lifestyle and unbelief.
Or will you believe?

In acouple of months, you will have no excuse for no believing in the Lord God.

ya know, i'd honestly love to experience something that completely blows my mind. so i'll accept whatever consequences there may be.