Seriously ISH Veterans how Good was Shaq?

[OnceInADECADE]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2001/0604_large.jpg

Please people on the ISH how good was Shaq during his Orlando Magic and LosAngeles days? I read alot of articles on Shaquile Oneal and i heard he was like Dwight Howard on Steroids! Is that true? I was watching a mix on youtube and he was flatout dominating. He was a beast offense and defense. The fans loved him and he loved them. And i never seen a 300 pound man run that fast my GOD!! Plus i heard he had 35+Vertical Leap:bowdown: :bowdown: .

BTW if Prime Shaq was playing in todays game is he ranked number 1?
1.Shaq

(rest)

Please ISH members provide video and articles on Shaq during his dominate years. I'm really young so i dont really no anything bout dominate Shaq.

[OnceInADECADE]

Shaqattack where you at?

[PowerGlove]

Shaqattack where you at?
:oldlol:

GOAT Elbow to the Face move. He was dominant. MDE.

[Yung D-Will]

If Prime Shaq was in the leauge today Lebron would have signed with whatever team he was on.


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[SourPatchKids]

Black Tornado.

[New York Knicks]

DraftExpress has his max vertical at 36 inches.

[OnceInADECADE]

DraftExpress has his max vertical at 36 inches.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


only if i was older

+plus he 300 pounds

[branslowski]

If Prime Shaq was in the leauge today Lebron would have signed with whatever team he was on.


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Basically...Watching Shaq was amazing...:applause:

[OnceInADECADE]

Black Tornado.

this was the mix i was watching and i also jizzed in my pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBnHq04CRg:bowdown: :bowdown:

[OnceInADECADE]

Basically...Watching Shaq was amazing...:applause:

so he was better than Kobe, Wade and Bron?

[ZeN]

If this were 2001.. Shaq would be unstoppable. O'neal was a monster at his peak.. monster numbers, needing 3 players hanging off of him just to attempt to contain him.

[ProfessorMurder]

:facepalm

[New York Knicks]

so he was better than Kobe, Wade and Bron?
LOL of course. Not even close.

[OnceInADECADE]

If Prime Shaq was in the leauge today Lebron would have signed with whatever team he was on.

/Thread

Hopefully Beasley is on that team:D

[All Net]

Unstoppable, bottom line.

Shaqattack will tell you more stats wise.

[Willkill24]

Watch Shaqs playoff run in 2000:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[branslowski]

so he was better than Kobe, Wade and Bron?

In 2000, 2001, 2002...Hell yeah...:cheers:

[SourPatchKids]

this was the mix i was watching and i also jizzed in my pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBnHq04CRg:bowdown: :bowdown:
Damn shaqs soaring like Jordan.

[OnceInADECADE]

If this were 2001.. Shaq would be unstoppable. O'neal was a monster at his peak.. monster numbers, needing 3 players hanging off of him just to attempt to contain him.

:applause: please do you have some videos of Shaq during his prime?

[OnceInADECADE]

Unstoppable, bottom line.

Shaqattack will tell you more stats wise.

Yeah i need that dude rite now.

[west]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOaGBOUlNo8

[chazzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53lwRhU4fs&feature=related

[branslowski]

:applause: please do you have some videos of Shaq during his prime?

Go to youtube and look for a poster named "Mayhems"..he has some nice vids...He post here on ISH...Catch24.


:cheers:

[OnceInADECADE]

Watch Shaqs playoff run in 2000:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

any video? I remember watching the Allen Iverson vs Shaq/Kobe 2001 Finals Game 1

great game:applause:

A.I was sick, Kobe was Kobe and Shaq was...................................

[OnceInADECADE]

Go to youtube and look for a poster named "Mayhems"..he has some nice vids...He post here on ISH...Catch24.


:cheers:

thanks:cheers:

[catch24]

Lets put it this way... You take '00-02 Shaq and put him in todays game (where the Center position is pretty much dead), he'd easily be the best player today, yes easily better than LeBron.

[OnceInADECADE]

The Shaq" black tornado"on DR was :oldlol: :oldlol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ereTME9LHyg

[Force]

Most dominating force, disrupted entire defenses, put fouls on everybody. There is nothing in today's game that is close to what a prime Shaq did. Chosen as a top 50 player in history after playing less than 3 years in the NBA, lol

Prime Shaq in today's game wouldn't be like his numbers before since defenses can cheat and double him without the ball, he would get less shot attempts fior sure, but he is a great passer and would have easily been the #1 player in todays game. Dwight Howard today is maybe half as good as a prime Shaq..maybe. Very high bball iq too, he knew when to pass it out and was ridiculous with positioning...and players were allowed to foul him before he got the ball but he rarely got those calls.

People tried to find reasons NOT to give him MVP. I remember NBC saying that Steve Francis deserved MVP more than him. Scott Skiles, Poppovich and Phil Jackson and many other coaches said he was "MVP every single year" and its a shame that he only won it once.

A prime Shaq was literally unfair.

[DirkNowitzki41]

this was the mix i was watching and i also jizzed in my pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBnHq04CRg:bowdown: :bowdown:

:bowdown:

[west]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD5wuEbYHeE

[PowerGlove]

I still feel bad for that white guy from the Knicks.:oldlol:

Dude was so frustrated, but he just didn't want ANY part of Shaq. He threw the ball at Shaq's leg, that's how afraid he was.:oldlol:

[OnceInADECADE]

Lets put it this way... You take '00-02 Shaq and put him in todays game (where the Center position is pretty much dead), he'd easily be the best player today, yes easily better than LeBron.

how much better? Large margin or small margin:confusedshrug:

[Willkill24]

any video? I remember watching the Allen Iverson vs Shaq/Kobe 2001 Finals Game 1

great game:applause:

A.I was sick, Kobe was Kobe and Shaq was...................................
Go on YouTube and check any game from 00-01 he was beast pretty much every game.

[OnceInADECADE]

:bowdown:
:applause: :applause:

[OnceInADECADE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD5wuEbYHeE

that looked like Lebron James out there with his athletic ability:bowdown:

forget Beasley..............Shaq the best :bowdown:i joking Beasley i love you

[OnceInADECADE]

I still feel bad for that white guy from the Knicks.:oldlol:

Dude was so frustrated, but he just didn't want ANY part of Shaq. He threw the ball at Shaq's leg, that's how afraid he was.:oldlol:

i think Dwight would had done the same thing:lol :lol :lol

[OnceInADECADE]

Go on YouTube and check any game from 00-01 he was beast pretty much every game.

man i love the old school stuff. Rap, Movies, and Sports.


Go on YouTube and check any game from 00-01 he was beast pretty much every game.

BEAST EVERY GAME!!?!!

[All Net]

Hell because of Shaq they changed certain rules...he was that good.

[chazzy]

how much better? Large margin or small margin:confusedshrug:

Impact-wise it would be pretty clear cut. Especially given how weak big men are now, guys still have trouble defending current Shaq :oldlol:

[elementally morale]

so he was better than Kobe, Wade and Bron?

Yes. In terms of being more effective in his peak years he was a lot better than any of the above. His peak was not all that long though, not more than 3-4 years. Speaking of his prime (more than a decade) he was still as effective as any of the above three were in their best seasons.

Basically, Shaq was pretty good. Should be a top5 center all time on any list as far as his career is concerned. And probably the best player at their relative peaks there has ever been save for maybe Wilt and Jordan.

[catch24]

vs Raptors 1999-00 season: 37 points on 60% shooting, 19 rebounds, 5 assists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpqSfSVqhwc

Gm 1 vs Kings 2000 playoffs: 46 points on 63% shooting, 17 rebounds and 5 blocks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-7hwDaBbaE

Gm 1 vs Pacers 2000 Finals: 43 points on 67% shooting, 19 rebounds and 4 assists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjETgzSbg9k

Gm 1 vs Sixers 2001 Finals: 44 points on 60% shooting, 20 rebounds, 5 assists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44AC9x4H9w

Gm 2 vs Sixers 2001 Finals: 28 points on 63% shooting, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 6 blocks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fmm8ETC2cQ

Gm 4 vs Sixers 2001 Finals: 34 points on 52% shooting, 17 rebounds, 5 assists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVupzjaV980

What's crazy is most of these are in the Finals...

[OnceInADECADE]

Hell because of Shaq they changed certain rules...he was that good.

David Stern you son of a bit@h

[OnceInADECADE]

vs Raptors 1999-00 season: 37 points on 60% shooting, 19 rebounds, 5 assists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpqSfSVqhwc

Gm 1 vs Kings 2000 playoffs: 46 points on 63% shooting, 17 rebounds and 5 blocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-7hwDaBbaE&feature=related

Gm 1 vs Pacers 2000 Finals: 43 points on 67% shooting, 19 rebounds and 4 assists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjETgzSbg9k

Gm 1 vs Sixers 2001 Finals: 44 points on 60% shooting, 20 rebounds, 5 assists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44AC9x4H9w

Gm 2 vs Sixers 2001 Finals: 28 points on 63% shooting, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 6 blocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fmm8ETC2cQ

Gm 4 vs Sixers 2001 Finals: 34 points on 52% shooting, 17 rebounds, 5 assists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVupzjaV980

What's crazy is most of these are in the Finals...

THIS IS WHAT I'M Talking about:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

REPPED

[west]

BEAST EVERY GAME!!?!!
**** yes.

If you are "holding" Shaq to something like 25/13 on below 60% shooting, you are doing a pretty good job.:oldlol:

[OnceInADECADE]

Yes. In terms of being more effective in his peak years he was a lot better than any of the above. His peak was not all that long though, not more than 3-4 years. Speaking of his prime (more than a decade) he was still as effective as any of the above three were in their best seasons.

Basically, Shaq was pretty good. Should be a top5 center all time on any list as far as his career is concerned. And probably the best player at their relative peaks there has ever been save for maybe Wilt and Jordan.

From i what i read i would take Shaq over MJ.............is it just me or is it you guys too?

[OnceInADECADE]

**** yes.

If you are "holding" Shaq to something like 25/13 on below 60% shooting, you are doing a pretty good job.:oldlol:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: MY GOD

[Yung D-Will]

From i what i read i would take Shaq over MJ.............is it just me or is it you guys too?

Lets not get to carried away :pimp:

[PowerGlove]

From i what i read i would take Shaq over MJ.............is it just me or is it you guys too?
Hell no.

[All Net]

**** yes.

If you are "holding" Shaq to something like 25/13 on below 60% shooting, you are doing a pretty good job.:oldlol:

Yep thats what you would of called shutting down Shaq.

[Willkill24]

I would love to see prime shaq just destroy Dwight and drop 40/20+

[OnceInADECADE]

Lets not get to carried away :pimp:

Hell no.

Why?

[OnceInADECADE]

I would love to see prime shaq just destroy Dwight and drop 40/20+

Dwight Howard would probably foul out in the 1st half

[branslowski]

I would love to see prime shaq just destroy Dwight and drop 40/20+

This.


Shaq was beasting Dwight at times this season...While being slower and being a super shell of his former self...Just sayin, I've seen (LIVE) Shaq just dominate the 7-2' DPOY like he was nothin but a stick with a speech impediment.:bowdown:

[OnceInADECADE]

Throughout his career, O'Neal established himself as a formidable low post presence, putting up career averages of 24.1 points on .581 field goal accuracy, 11.0 rebounds and 2.3 blocks per game (as of April 2010).

At 7 ft 1 in (2.16 m), 325 lb (147 kg; 23.2 st)[26] and U.S. shoe size 23,[27] he is famous for his physical stature. His physical frame gives him a power advantage over most opponents.

O'Neal's "drop step", (called the "Black Tornado" by O'Neal) in which he posts up a defender, turns around and, using his elbows for leverage, powers past him for a very high-percentage slam dunk, has proven an extremely effective offensive weapon, though it has been limited in recent years. In addition, O'Neal frequently uses a right-handed jump hook shot to score near the basket. The ability to dunk frequently contributes to his career field goal accuracy of .581, the second highest field goal percentage of all time

Opposing teams often use up many fouls on O'Neal, limiting the playing time of their own big men. O'Neal's imposing physical presence inside the paint has caused dramatic changes in many teams' offensive and defensive strategies that can be seen over the course of his career.

Got this from WIKI

[Willkill24]

Dwight Howard would probably foul out in the 1st half
:cheers:

[OnceInADECADE]

This.


Shaq was beasting Dwight at times this season...While being slower and being a super shell of his former self...Just sayin, I've seen (LIVE) Shaq just dominate the 7-2' DPOY like he was nothin but a stick with a speech impediment.:bowdown:

this guy rite?
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/dikembe-mutombo-retire.jpg:facepalm :facepalm

[New York Knicks]

Hell no.
If just for one season at their absolute peaks, I would take Shaq over MJ without hesitation.

[Willkill24]

This.


Shaq was beasting Dwight at times this season...While being slower and being a super shell of his former self...Just sayin, I've seen (LIVE) Shaq just dominate the 7-2' DPOY like he was nothin but a stick with a speech impediment.:bowdown:
Yea and he was so strong no way would Dwight score more than 10 points on Shaq.

[OnceInADECADE]

Yea and he was so strong no way would Dwight score more than 10 points on Shaq.

i heard Shaq was a good defender but not Elite.Is that true?

[PowerGlove]

If just for one season at their absolute peaks, I would take Shaq over MJ without hesitation.
What was the point of creating all of these parameters just to say yes? That alone should tell you no.

[OnceInADECADE]

come on guys i need more stuff.

Any articles
Any Quotes

[Willkill24]

i heard Shaq was a good defender but not Elite.Is that true?
Yea but dwights post moves are not good enough to score on shaq, I seen Dwight struggle to score on cavs shaq:facepalm

[west]

i heard Shaq was a good defender but not Elite.Is that true?
He was very underrated defensively, i don't ever remember anyone dare to challenge Shaq....his impact was well beyond the stat sheets.....

Also, he was dominate even when he wasn't motivated, he also disinterest at times but he was very consistence and rarely has a bad game.

[OnceInADECADE]

Yea but dwights post moves are not good enough to score on shaq, I seen Dwight struggle to score on cavs shaq:facepalm

yeah i no but like other centers. Like Bogut or Lopez or Cousins

[Yung D-Will]

You didn't want to go up and challenge Shaq.

He would lay you out.

It's that simple

[OnceInADECADE]

He was very underrated defensively, i don't ever remember anyone dare to challenge Shaq....his impact was well beyond the stat sheets.....

Also, he was dominate even when he wasn't motivated, he also disinterest at times but he was very consistence and rarely has a bad game.

nice read

[elementally morale]

i heard Shaq was a good defender but not Elite.Is that true?

Could have tried harder for sure... with just a bit more determination and effort... but that's his whole career in a nutshell. Had he tried harder we would perhaps be talking of the very best player of all time. The talent and the physical abilities were definitely there. Could've would've should've...didn't. Still a legend.

[Willkill24]

yeah i no but like other centers. Like Bogut or Lopez or Cousins
Like West said his D was underrated.

[OnceInADECADE]

You didn't want to go up and challenge Shaq.

He would lay you out.

It's that simple

Part 1:http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0903/david.robinson/images/david-robinson-shaq.jpg

Part 2:http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/Parental-Advisory-Grunge-psd34287.png

[OnceInADECADE]

Could have tried harder for sure... with just a bit more determination and effort... but that's his whole career in a nutshell. Had he tried harder we would perhaps be talking of the very best player of all time. The talent and the physical abilities were definitely there. Could've would've should've...didn't. Still a legend.

repped

[OnceInADECADE]

INB4 THE GOAT Posters on the SITE arrive SHAQATTACK, GOAT, ROUNDMOUND,

[Yung D-Will]

If you mention anything about Wilt in this thread.

Phila/Julbar will rip you apart

That is all.

[OnceInADECADE]

If you mention anything about Wilt in this thread.

Phila/Julbar will rip you apart

That is all.

I not that stupid:D

[OnceInADECADE]

I HEARD Shaqattack is online:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Yung D-Will]

I HEARD Shaqattack is online:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
He's been online for the past hour arguing int he A.I thread lol

[OnceInADECADE]

He's been online for the past hour arguing int he A.I thread lol

bring him over here
http://blog.galvincomm.com/.a/6a00d8341c8f1e53ef0120a55bf13c970c-800wi

[Timmy D for MVP]

Prime Shaq is above everyone else this decade as far as peak play is concerned. And absolutely dominant force.

[OnceInADECADE]

Prime Shaq is above everyone else this decade as far as peak play is concerned. And absolutely dominant force.

man only if he was Prime SHAQ was playing now

[New York Knicks]

What was the point of creating all of these parameters just to say yes? That alone should tell you no.
What parameter? I didn't say he had a better career. I said for one season at their peaks. I would take Shaq. You're reaching now.

[OnceInADECADE]

just had to put Shaq pic as my avatar

[creepingdeath]

Watching Shaq as a Non-Lakers fan had been a mixed blessing. One edge of the sword was that he was a force of sheer dominance, that could take over games on both ends on the floor and bury any opponent. The bad part as NBA fan was that he would bury your own team, too. Even worse, back then, Shaq had gotten a lot of superstar treatment by the refs and could use his body any way he wanted.

Peak Shaq = something unique

[step_back]

No doubt shaq was a dominating force 7'1 and 325+ is God given ability. On top of that he was fast and nimble and not a player who was locked in a prison by his own size which can cause a person to be more injury prone (Yao, big Z, Oden for example)

Shaq was also very lucky in the fact that he did play with some of the best players in the league during his years, The title runs with Kobe, then Wade for 1 more and then Lebron for a single year.

All that being said I doubt we will ever see a Phantom player like Shaq again.

[EarlTheGoat]

Onceinadecade are you being an annoying Shaq homer lately just to try and aproach the user shaqattack, be friends with him and get good reputation from him so your reputation takes a boost?





:roll:

[redhonda76]

Prime Shaq is just too good. He wasn't just Dwight Howard on steriods, he's have a much higher bball IQ and much better footwork than Dwight. A prime Shaq can put the last place team Nets to at least 2nd round of the playoffs.
Shaq's only weakness was free throw and pick-and-roll defense.

[creepingdeath]

Shaq was also very lucky in the fact that he did play with some of the best players in the league during his years, The title runs with Kobe, then Wade for 1 more and then Lebron for a single year.
I would dare to say that it's been the other way concerning the first two guys you mentioned. Of course Shaq vastly benefited from both Wade and Kobe, but although he could be a team cancer, his dominance compensated that more than enough.

[branslowski]

Onceinadecade are you being an annoying Shaq homer lately just to try and aproach the user shaqattack, be friends with him and get good reputation from him so your reputation takes a boost?





:roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Hope not, cause that would be pathetic..:lol ....Onceinadecade, hope this isn't true...And if you want rep, u could have just asked me or something..

[step_back]

I would dare to say that it's been the other way concerning the first two guys you mentioned. Of course Shaq vastly benefited from both Wade and Kobe, but although he could be a team cancer, his dominance compensated that more than enough.

Yeah I don't disagree, but playing with a wing player who can create his own shot and draw a double team is a lethal addition for a center who requires a double team ALL the time to be stopped.

[thejumpa]

I laugh when people say Dwight is a baby Shaq...or the 2nd coming...or anything close.

But yeah, Shaq was amazing back in the day. Whole teams used switch their whole defensive scheme in order to attempt to contain him. He is by far the most phyiscally gifted player I've ever seen or heard of. 7'1 300+ with insane athleticism.

Looking back on the Orlando and LA days, one thing strikes me as interesting. For the most part, he relied on his athleticism and natural size and strength to bully everyone else and it worked. His whole career, his work ethic has been questioned and that's a shame. Imagine a motivated(as in, let me practice different moves, stay in shape) Shaq from his rookie year to now. His numbers would be even more ridiculous. Seriously, we could be talking about him being the best Center ever.

And lastly, people have been underrating Shaq like crazy for the last 3-4 years. Yeah, he's old....but still no one can guard him one on one and he can still give you 10-15ppg with close to 10 boards. Boston really hit the jackpot with him if he stays healthy.

[creepingdeath]

Yeah I don't disagree, but playing with a wing player who can create his own shot and draw a double team is a lethal addition for a center who requires a double team ALL the time to be stopped.
Yeah, absolutely true - let's just call it a win-win situation. :rockon:

[OnceInADECADE]

Watching Shaq as a Non-Lakers fan had been a mixed blessing. One edge of the sword was that he was a force of sheer dominance, that could take over games on both ends on the floor and bury any opponent. The bad part as NBA fan was that he would bury your own team, too. Even worse, back then, Shaq had gotten a lot of superstar treatment by the refs and could use his body any way he wanted.

Peak Shaq = something unique

nice read

[no pun intended]

If you really want to know? Go watch him in Orlando and Los Angeles sprinting in transition. He was as fast as LeBron. No jokes. And this is only telling how fast he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVsWuHblBwU&feature=related

Not only that, he had an impressive vertical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMX1FGwyr38&feature=related

Heck, hes still fast today ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8s4C7TqbP4

[OnceInADECADE]

No doubt shaq was a dominating force 7'1 and 325+ is God given ability. On top of that he was fast and nimble and not a player who was locked in a prison by his own size which can cause a person to be more injury prone (Yao, big Z, Oden for example)

Shaq was also very lucky in the fact that he did play with some of the best players in the league during his years, The title runs with Kobe, then Wade for 1 more and then Lebron for a single year.

All that being said I doubt we will ever see a Phantom player like Shaq again.

Shaq wasnt lucky, they were well not Lebron

[OnceInADECADE]

Onceinadecade are you being an annoying Shaq homer lately just to try and aproach the user shaqattack, be friends with him and get good reputation from him so your reputation takes a boost?





:roll:

Hell no. I just wanted to no how amazing Shaq was in his prime. Beasley is my favorite player.

[step_back]

Shaq wasnt lucky, they were well not Lebron

uhm yeah having teammates like Kobe, Wade, and lebron is lucky considering many other great players don't even get a chance to play with talent like that.

[OnceInADECADE]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Hope not, cause that would be pathetic..:lol ....Onceinadecade, hope this isn't true...And if you want rep, u could have just asked me or something..


Nope, it aint true. BEASLEY IS MY BOY

[OnceInADECADE]

I laugh when people say Dwight is a baby Shaq...or the 2nd coming...or anything close.

But yeah, Shaq was amazing back in the day. Whole teams used switch their whole defensive scheme in order to attempt to contain him. He is by far the most phyiscally gifted player I've ever seen or heard of. 7'1 300+ with insane athleticism.

Looking back on the Orlando and LA days, one thing strikes me as interesting. For the most part, he relied on his athleticism and natural size and strength to bully everyone else and it worked. His whole career, his work ethic has been questioned and that's a shame. Imagine a motivated(as in, let me practice different moves, stay in shape) Shaq from his rookie year to now. His numbers would be even more ridiculous. Seriously, we could be talking about him being the best Center ever.

And lastly, people have been underrating Shaq like crazy for the last 3-4 years. Yeah, he's old....but still no one can guard him one on one and he can still give you 10-15ppg with close to 10 boards. Boston really hit the jackpot with him if he stays healthy.

REPPED

[OnceInADECADE]

If you really want to know? Go watch him in Orlando and Los Angeles sprinting in transition. He was as fast as LeBron. No jokes. And this is only telling how fast he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVsWuHblBwU&feature=related

Not only that, he had an impressive vertical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMX1FGwyr38&feature=related

Heck, hes still fast today ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8s4C7TqbP4

Damn:bowdown: Shaq is running quick out there

[DC Zephyrs]

Most unguardable player in NBA history.

[step_back]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvr7QlkVWDc

Shaq talking about his body in L.A playing days, I don't think he is bullshitting either.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Here are some games I uploaded in their entirety. I'll link part 1 of each game, the rest of the parts are on my channel

53/18/4 in 36 minutes in his second season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kf45osTju0

50 points in '98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxs7kfWLs70

61/23 on his 28th birthday in 2000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsuedov-U1M

41/16 in 2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9lMpV8yhc

Duncan goes just 2/14 with Shaq guarding him(6/9 vs the other Laker defenders) and Shaq drops 31.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVqhtV3xww

Check out games 1, 2 and 6 of the 2000 finals when he averaged 38/17/3 on 61% shooting for the series.

Here's a post of mine from another thread regarding Shaq's clutch play.


Here's a sample of big 4th quarters he had in the playoffs, and there are a lot more than this. Double digit 4th quarters were the norm for Shaq in the playoffs, even when Kobe had the huge OT performance in game 4 of the finals, Shaq had 14 points in the 4th and when Nick Anderon choked away game 1 of the '95 finals, Shaq had gotten them the lead and almost ensured a victory with 12 fourth quarter points.

Game 1 2000 finals- 12 4th quarter points, and 2 assists with gorgeous passes to cutters. Shaq scored or assisted on every basket for the first 9 minutes of the quarter except for 2 Rick Fox jumpers. It was a 6 point game when the quarter started and it was a 17 point game after Shaq's 43rd point. John Salley came in for Shaq with the game officially a blowout, and Indiana's star, Reggie Miller sat down shortly after.

Game 2 2000 finals- Shaq had 17 4th quarter points. He was 4 for 4 from the field and 9 for 16 from the line(good considering he was 9 for 23 entering the quarter). He also had 2 "hockey assists" that led to 3's by Rice and Fisher, respectively. Once again showing the impact of the double/triple teams he draws and passing skills. A better example came with just under a minute to go when Shaq caught the ball and was swarmed, but made a gorgeous pass to Robert Horry for a layup.

Game 6 2000 finals- Indiana led by 5 entering the 4th quarter. Shaq had 13 points on 6/6 shooting in the 4th. The game was tied with under 5 minutes remaining and just a 1 point game as late as 1:16 left in the quarter and Indiana had the ball down by 3 with under 35 seconds remaining.

Game 1 2000 first round- It was a 6 point game with under 4:30 remaining and Shaq scored 6 points after that and he had 12 points in the 4th on 6 for 8 shooting. Shaq also blocked 2 post move attempts by Divac and 1 by Pollard.

Game 1 2000 WCF- Shaq had 16 4th quarter points on 2/5 shooting from the field and 12/25 from the line. Despite being a blowout early, this was a 10 point game with 7 minutes remaining. They started the hack-a-Shaq strategy when they were down by 12 with 5:27 remaining. It was a 9 point game with 5 minutes left. He hit 11 out of his final 17 free throws. With about 4:00 remaining Shaq hit his 7th free throw in a row which ultimately extended the lead from 9 back to 15 with 3:53 remaining. Phil took Shaq out shortly after, but the Blazers cut the lead to 12 and Phil put Shaq back in on the next deadball with a little under 3 minutes remaining. Ultimately, after 3:27 of the hack-a-Shaq strategy, they got nowhere. Actually, they were -3 since they started the strategy.

Game 2 2000 WCSF- Shaq had 10 points on 4/6 shooting in the 4th quarter and a huge block with about 20 seconds remaining to keep the Suns lead at 1.

Game 1 2002 WCSF- Shaq and Duncan went head to head for most of the 4th quarter and Shaq came out on top. Both played excellent defense on eachother even though they both needed help at times, but Shaq scored 13 points in the 4th quarter including a clutch 5 for 6 performance at the foul line in the quarter.

Game 4 1998 WCF- 6 for 6 from the field in the 4th and 7 for 12 from the line. Shaq carried them to within 3 points with less than half a minute left. They went to him exclusively. He got short changed on another basket that should have been an and 1 which would have given him a chance to tie the game.

Game 6 2002 WCF- He was 3 for 5 from the field and 6 for 10 from the line in the 4th for 12 points in the quarter. He had a clutch spin move and reverse lay up with under 52.8 seconds left to put the Lakers up by 3.

And finally, when you consider that Shaq is one of 4 players in NBA history to win a championship and a scoring title in the same season and one of only two to win 3 consecutive finals MVP, it shows how his individual dominance helped his team.

I'll add a few more things.

1.The fact that Dwight Howard can be considered top 5 with seasons of 21/14/2, 21/14/3, 18/13/3 and a playoff run of 20/15/3 should help put Shaq's early 2000s seasons of 30/14/4/3, 29/13/4/3 and back to back playoff runs of 31/15/3 and 30/15/3 into perspective. The early 2000s was probably the toughest time to put up stats like that, much less on a championship team.

2.I doubt Shaq's numbers would be much different with zone. That rule came into play prior to the 2001-2002 season and the only difference in Shaq's offensive numbers that year were because he went from about 40 mpg to 36.

3.Finally, the most useful things I can tell you, you'll also see in the games I told you to watch.

Offense- You made a comparison to Dwight Howard, well, first of all, Shaq at his peak was atleast 3 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier, but not that much less athletic. More importantly, his footwork was probably second to only Olajuwon among centers. He was also an excellent passer, both to shooters and to cutters. This part of his game continued to progress as his career went on. He had already become a good passer by his 3rd year in Orlando, but he peaked under Phil Jackson. Shaq had a few favorite moves. One was his near automatic jump hook, and the other was the turnaround one-handed jumper which he could make consistently baseline or in the lane. He was also a phenomenal offensive rebounder and he could create offense that way. He was very good at running the floor in his Magic and Laker days, and he could catch almost any lob thrown to him. His drop step was also as unstoppable as any I've seen and he was very good with his spin move, or black tornado as he called it. And while he was and still is a poor free throw shooter, he wore down front lines, got other team's into the penalty early and he converted a ton of baskets while getting fouled. He was also very good at using the glass.

Just check out all of the moves in this video from 1 game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKICLZfKMG0

Check out the move at 0:10 he completely fooled Mutombo, Shaq takes Deke off the dribble at 0:42 and draws the foul, another great move at 1:20 with a jump hook off the glass, check out the Olajuwon-esque move at 2:06 to freeze Mutombo as Shaq converts for the and 1.

Defense- His kryptonite was his pick and roll defense, but overall, he made a big impact defensively. He was a good post defender, a very good shot blocker, one of the best rebounders, probably the most intimidating and least challenged player in the paint, plus even his free throw shooting helped slown down the team and let his teams set up their defense.

Here's what Pete Newell(who saw every great center play, he even coached against Wilt) said about Shaq.


"People think it's all power with Shaq, but they're wrong," says 86-year-old Pete Newell, the big-man guru who coached against Wilt and who schooled Shaq at his offseason camp in the early '90s. "Here's what I've seen [O'Neal] do in one game: Bank off the glass. Little lob hook in the paint. Step-back move on the baseline. Quick spin move when he comes out on the other side to shoot. And a neat step-through move when he was doubled or tripled. You go over the history of centers and can you remember anyone, except maybe Hakeem Olajuwon, showing all that? And Hakeem didn't have the power game. I don't like to rate players according to who's best, but none of the great centers had Shaq's moves and counters, and none of them, including Wilt, had his strength."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/jack_mccallum/news/2002/06/12/insider/

[OnceInADECADE]

Here are some games I uploaded in their entirety. I'll link part 1 of each game, the rest of the parts are on my channel

53/18/4 in 36 minutes in his second season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kf45osTju0

50 points in '98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxs7kfWLs70

61/23 on his 28th birthday in 2000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsuedov-U1M

41/16 in 2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9lMpV8yhc

Duncan goes just 2/14 with Shaq guarding him(6/9 vs the other Laker defenders) and Shaq drops 31.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVqhtV3xww

Check out games 1, 2 and 6 of the 2000 finals when he averaged 38/17/3 on 61% shooting for the series.

Here's a post of mine from another thread regarding Shaq's clutch play.



And finally, when you consider that Shaq is one of 4 players in NBA history to win a championship and a scoring title in the same season and one of only two to win 3 consecutive finals MVP, it shows how his individual dominance helped his team.

I'll add a few more things.

1.The fact that Dwight Howard can be considered top 5 with seasons of 21/14/2, 21/14/3, 18/13/3 and a playoff run of 20/15/3 should help put Shaq's early 2000s seasons of 30/14/4/3, 29/13/4/3 and back to back playoff runs of 31/15/3 and 30/15/3 into perspective. The early 2000s was probably the toughest time to put up stats like that, much less on a championship team.

2.I doubt Shaq's numbers would be much different with zone. That rule came into play prior to the 2001-2002 season and the only difference in Shaq's offensive numbers that year were because he went from about 40 mpg to 36.

3.Finally, the most useful things I can tell you, you'll also see in the games I told you to watch.

Offense- You made a comparison to Dwight Howard, well, first of all, Shaq at his peak was atleast 3 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier, but not that much less athletic. More importantly, his footwork was probably second to only Olajuwon among centers. He was also an excellent passer, both to shooters and to cutters. This part of his game continued to progress as his career went on. He had already become a good passer by his 3rd year in Orlando, but he peaked under Phil Jackson. Shaq had a few favorite moves. One was his near automatic jump hook, and the other was the turnaround one-handed jumper which he could make consistently baseline or in the lane. He was also a phenomenal offensive rebounder and he could create offense that way. He was very good at running the floor in his Magic and Laker days, and he could catch almost any lob thrown to him. His drop step was also as unstoppable as any I've seen and he was very good with his spin move, or black tornado as he called it. And while he was and still is a poor free throw shooter, he wore down front lines, got other team's into the penalty early and he converted a ton of baskets while getting fouled. He was also very good at using the glass.

Just check out all of the moves in this video from 1 game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKICLZfKMG0

Check out the move at 0:10 he completely fooled Mutombo, Shaq takes Deke off the dribble at 0:42 and draws the foul, another great move at 1:20 with a jump hook off the glass, check out the Olajuwon-esque move at 2:06 to freeze Mutombo as Shaq converts for the and 1.

Defense- His kryptonite was his pick and roll defense, but overall, he made a big impact defensively. He was a good post defender, a very good shot blocker, one of the best rebounders, probably the most intimidating and least challenged player in the paint, plus even his free throw shooting helped slown down the team and let his teams set up their defense.

Here's what Pete Newell(who saw every great center play, he even coached against Wilt) said about Shaq.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/jack_mccallum/news/2002/06/12/insider/

Thank You MAN:applause: :applause: :applause:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Prime Shaq was arguably as good as anyone who has ever played the game. I think he's a hair behind prime MJ/KAJ and possibly Wilt and Bird, but he definitely has an argument peak vs peak.

[Birmingham1955]

Prime Shaq was arguably as good as anyone who has ever played the game. I think he's a hair behind prime MJ/KAJ and possibly Wilt and Bird, but he definitely has an argument peak vs peak.

Shaq benefited like a Bish by playing with elite top 3 swingman of their time. I can only imagine how Shaq would have done if his best swingman was JJ Reddick instead of healthy Penny Haradaway, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James.


Prime or peak Shaq was not better than Prime or peak Jordan, KAJ, Wilt, or Bird. Stop overrating him. He was a big big liability in the fourth quarter due to his very poor free throw shooting. Hence the method Hack-A-Shaq came into play. Young Kobe Bryant was the one making all the plays in the fourth not Shaq.

[OnceInADECADE]

Shaq benefited like a Bish by playing with elite top 3 swingman of their time. I can only imagine how Shaq would have done if his best swingman was JJ Reddick instead of healthy Penny Haradaway, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James.


Prime or peak Shaq was not better than Prime or peak Jordan, KAJ, Wilt, or Bird. Stop overrating him. He was a big big liability in the fourth quarter due to his very poor free throw shooting. Hence the method Hack-A-Shaq came into play. Young Kobe Bryant was the one making all the plays in the fourth not Shaq.

I guess you didnt read what SHAQATTACK wrote


Here's a sample of big 4th quarters he had in the playoffs, and there are a lot more than this. Double digit 4th quarters were the norm for Shaq in the playoffs, even when Kobe had the huge OT performance in game 4 of the finals, Shaq had 14 points in the 4th and when Nick Anderon choked away game 1 of the '95 finals, Shaq had gotten them the lead and almost ensured a victory with 12 fourth quarter points.

Game 1 2000 finals- 12 4th quarter points, and 2 assists with gorgeous passes to cutters. Shaq scored or assisted on every basket for the first 9 minutes of the quarter except for 2 Rick Fox jumpers. It was a 6 point game when the quarter started and it was a 17 point game after Shaq's 43rd point. John Salley came in for Shaq with the game officially a blowout, and Indiana's star, Reggie Miller sat down shortly after.

Game 2 2000 finals- Shaq had 17 4th quarter points. He was 4 for 4 from the field and 9 for 16 from the line(good considering he was 9 for 23 entering the quarter). He also had 2 "hockey assists" that led to 3's by Rice and Fisher, respectively. Once again showing the impact of the double/triple teams he draws and passing skills. A better example came with just under a minute to go when Shaq caught the ball and was swarmed, but made a gorgeous pass to Robert Horry for a layup.

Game 6 2000 finals- Indiana led by 5 entering the 4th quarter. Shaq had 13 points on 6/6 shooting in the 4th. The game was tied with under 5 minutes remaining and just a 1 point game as late as 1:16 left in the quarter and Indiana had the ball down by 3 with under 35 seconds remaining.

Game 1 2000 first round- It was a 6 point game with under 4:30 remaining and Shaq scored 6 points after that and he had 12 points in the 4th on 6 for 8 shooting. Shaq also blocked 2 post move attempts by Divac and 1 by Pollard.

Game 1 2000 WCF- Shaq had 16 4th quarter points on 2/5 shooting from the field and 12/25 from the line. Despite being a blowout early, this was a 10 point game with 7 minutes remaining. They started the hack-a-Shaq strategy when they were down by 12 with 5:27 remaining. It was a 9 point game with 5 minutes left. He hit 11 out of his final 17 free throws. With about 4:00 remaining Shaq hit his 7th free throw in a row which ultimately extended the lead from 9 back to 15 with 3:53 remaining. Phil took Shaq out shortly after, but the Blazers cut the lead to 12 and Phil put Shaq back in on the next deadball with a little under 3 minutes remaining. Ultimately, after 3:27 of the hack-a-Shaq strategy, they got nowhere. Actually, they were -3 since they started the strategy.

Game 2 2000 WCSF- Shaq had 10 points on 4/6 shooting in the 4th quarter and a huge block with about 20 seconds remaining to keep the Suns lead at 1.

Game 1 2002 WCSF- Shaq and Duncan went head to head for most of the 4th quarter and Shaq came out on top. Both played excellent defense on eachother even though they both needed help at times, but Shaq scored 13 points in the 4th quarter including a clutch 5 for 6 performance at the foul line in the quarter.

Game 4 1998 WCF- 6 for 6 from the field in the 4th and 7 for 12 from the line. Shaq carried them to within 3 points with less than half a minute left. They went to him exclusively. He got short changed on another basket that should have been an and 1 which would have given him a chance to tie the game.

Game 6 2002 WCF- He was 3 for 5 from the field and 6 for 10 from the line in the 4th for 12 points in the quarter. He had a clutch spin move and reverse lay up with under 52.8 seconds left to put the Lakers up by 3.

[chazzy]

Shaq benefited like a Bish by playing with elite top 3 swingman of their time. I can only imagine how Shaq would have done if his best swingman was JJ Reddick instead of healthy Penny Haradaway, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James.

You know this weak argument can be applied to almost every other great?

[OnceInADECADE]

You know this weak argument can be applied to almost every other great?

:applause:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Shaq benefited like a Bish by playing with elite top 3 swingman of their time. I can only imagine how Shaq would have done if his best swingman was JJ Reddick instead of healthy Penny Haradaway, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James.


Prime or peak Shaq was not better than Prime or peak Jordan, KAJ, Wilt, or Bird. Stop overrating him. He was a big big liability in the fourth quarter due to his very poor free throw shooting. Hence the method Hack-A-Shaq came into play. Young Kobe Bryant was the one making all the plays in the fourth not Shaq.

Kobe was nothing all-time special in 2000, yet Shaq dominated that year like few others ever have. Everyone needs help to win titles - what's your point? And of course Shaq's "help" would largely consist of perimeter players, as they complemented him better than a banging, post-playing PF would have.

Fact is, there are only 3-4 players IN HISTORY who can even CLAIM to have been better at some point in their career than a 2000/2001 Shaq.

[Willkill24]

Kobe was nothing all-time special in 2000, yet Shaq dominated that year like few others ever have. Everyone needs help to win titles - what's your point? And of course Shaq's "help" would largely consist of perimeter players, as they complemented him better than a banging, post-playing PF would have.

Fact is, there are only 3-4 players IN HISTORY who can even CLAIM to have been better at some point in their career than a 2000/2001 Shaq.
This.

[Jacks3]

Yeah, he was nice, too bad he dominated in the weakest league of centers EVER and played with Kobe Bryant, Wade, and LeBron. He has no case against Prime Bird, Kareem, MJ, or Wilt and anybody who thinks he does is delusional. Plus, dude has been swept 8 different times in his career. LMAO

[OnceInADECADE]

Yeah, he was nice, too bad he dominated in the weakest league of centers EVER and played with Kobe Bryant, Wade, and LeBron. He has no case against Prime Bird, Kareem, MJ, or Wilt and anybody who thinks he does is delusional.

explain

[west]

What i like about Shaq is he never settle, he never added anything difficult or fancy in his arsenal, he doesn't shot fadeaway jumper, dream shake or anything like that. All of his shots are high percentage shots/inside 10ft and he usually shoots around 57-60%.

[EarlTheGoat]

Yeah, he was nice, too bad he dominated in the weakest league of centers EVER and played with Kobe Bryant, Wade, and LeBron. He has no case against Prime Bird, Kareem, MJ, or Wilt and anybody who thinks he does is delusional. Plus, dude has been swept 8 different times in his career. LMAO


:oldlol: at you trying to diminish Shaq to hype up Kobe.


nah, im not mad

[OnceInADECADE]

What i like about Shaq is he never settle, he never added anything difficult or fancy in his arsenal, he doesn't shot fadeaway jumper, dream shake or anything like that. All of his shots are high percentage shots/inside 10ft and he usually shoots around 57-60%.

well they couldnt stop him so why change

[OnceInADECADE]

:oldlol: at you trying to diminish Shaq to hype up Kobe.


nah, im not mad

Kobe fans these days:facepalm

[the_wise_one]

Shaq was ''great'' because his offensive fouls were never called.
If everything was officiated correctly, he'd foul out twice in every game.

He's BTK though, no doubt about that.

[thejumpa]

Yeah, he was nice, too bad he dominated in the weakest league of centers EVER and played with Kobe Bryant, Wade, and LeBron. He has no case against Prime Bird, Kareem, MJ, or Wilt and anybody who thinks he does is delusional. Plus, dude has been swept 8 different times in his career. LMAO

You deserve to be banned after a post like this.

[DetroitPiston]

Prime Shaq was a monster and a machine rolled into one. I usually don't watch other teams but if Orlando and then LA happened to be on TV I'd try and watch because Shaq was just something else.

I remember reading a Bill Simmons column when he said that when he first saw Shaq, he felt that it was over and that no one had a chance against him.

[OnceInADECADE]

You deserve to be banned after a post like this.

this

[EarlTheGoat]

You deserve to be banned after a post like this.

Actually, he deserves to be banned way before.

[OnceInADECADE]

Prime Shaq was a monster and a machine rolled into one. I usually don't watch other teams but if Orlando and then LA happened to be on TV I'd try and watch because Shaq was just something else.

I remember reading a Bill Simmons column when he said that when he first saw Shaq, he felt that it was over and that no one had a chance against him.

:cheers:

[Reggie43]

Shaq was ''great'' because his offensive fouls were never called.
If everything was officiated correctly, he'd foul out twice in every game.

He's BTK though, no doubt about that.

Shaq was constantly hacked in the paint in his prime moreso than any bigman, if those fouls were called he probably would have averaged 20 fts. :lol

[JBull]

GOAT big man

[the_wise_one]

Shaq was constantly hacked in the paint in his prime moreso than any bigman, if those fouls were called he probably would have averaged 20 fts. :lol

But it wouldn't matter much, I mean he shoots 30% for FT right? :D

[magnax1]

His prime ranks up their with the best. I think his finals averages say it all
28-12-6 60%
38-17-2 61%
33-15-5 57%
36-12-4 60%
I'll leave off his 06 finals to be nice. He played terrible that year in the finals.

[monkeypox]

Once in a lifetime talent that was limited by both how he was handled on the court and by his own apathy. They sort of let him hit and be hit at the refs whim which was a disservice to him. Vastly underrated agility and skill that was overshadowed by his obvious power and size. Were he even 10% more mature he'd be up there in GOAT conversations. As it stands one of the greatest centers of all time.

[chomskytool]

if nba players were transformers.....


shaq was DEVASTATOR (from the cartoon)


he stopped my favorite player ever from ever winning a title(philly 2001)


its funny when i see bynum or howard being compared to shaq. especially bynum. even if bynum was healthy, the difference in the level of agility and atheleticism between the two is simply enormous.

[raptorfan_dr07]

uhm yeah having teammates like Kobe, Wade, and lebron is lucky considering many other great players don't even get a chance to play with talent like that.

Nope, you got it twisted, those guys were lucky to have played with Shaq. Most players don't even get a chance to play with such a dominant big man like that. I can see where that argument regarding Lebron might come into play as this past year's Shaq was nowhere near the version of Shaq that played with Wade and especially Kobe.

I'm sure a few other wing players, specifically Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, and Vince Carter wished they could have been so lucky to have had Shaquille O'Neal as well.



I'll leave off his 06 finals to be nice. He played terrible that year in the finals.

Sure his numbers aren't anything to get excited about, but his stats don't show just how much of an impact he had on that series from his presence alone. The Mavs entire game plan, just like teams did when Shaq was on the Lakers, was to swarm Shaq with multiple defenders and desperately try to take him out of the game. He allowed other guys, Wade in particular, to be able to operate freely.

[Jacks3]

:oldlol: at you trying to diminish Shaq to hype up Kobe.


nah, im not mad
LMAO

[PaPaK]

one word: unstoppable. deserved at least 3 mvp's..

[ShaqAttack3234]

Since the 1986-1987 season, these are the only players who had 40/20 games.

Shaq- 8(4 of them in the playoffs)
Barkley- 4 (1 of them in the playoffs)
Hakeem- 3(2 of them in the playoffs)
Robinson- 1 (in the playoffs)
Webber- 1
McDyess- 1

I only went back to the '86-'87 season because that's as far back as basketball-reference's game logs go.

[nbacardDOTnet]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/Shaquille%20Oneal/01161993Magic-Bulls.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/Shaquille%20Oneal/shaqrookie1993allstar.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/Shaquille%20Oneal/bdb23148.jpg


If rookie Shaq was in the leauge today Lebron would have signed with whatever team he was on.


/Thread

fixed =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn8bP-2y_ko

[momo]

I have only thought a player had an unfair advantage a few times in my lifetime and shaq was one of them. He completely fcuked up what teams wanted to do on offense and defense when peaking and focused.

[Soundwave]

Most dominant players of the last 20 years

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Hakeem

[ILLsmak]

Yeah, Shaq was the best I've ever seen. I am not old enough to have seen Kareem or Wilt, and while I believe that those guys were great... there is no doubt in my mind that 1 on 1 Shaq would have murdered them.

Shaq was something else. Not only was he one of the more athletic guys, he also had a touch and had everyone in the NBA (except maybe Barkley) afraid of him. I don't think there has ever been a player in the NBA that changed the game around the hoop as much as Shaq. Especially on defense...

Shaq would offensively demoralize his opponents by causing them physical pain and then dunking on them repeatedly until they either started flopping or just gave up. And there is really no proof that any NBA great would react differently to that situation than the players Shaq faced in his career.

It's a total travesty that people want to rate Tim Duncan, Kobe, or Hakeem higher than Shaq. I believe they just hated Shaq because they saw him as a skill-less bully. And while he might have been the most dominant and relied on his physicality and bullied his way to the basket, the amount of skill he had was impossible to discount, either.

You can look at Shaq now and see people are still afraid of him and that's why he is still a great offseason pick up and will be until he decides to retire or until his knees buckle underneath him.

No NBA Great wants to bang with Shaq... especially not for a playoff series.

Edit:


Yeah, he was nice, too bad he dominated in the weakest league of centers EVER and played with Kobe Bryant, Wade, and LeBron. He has no case against Prime Bird, Kareem, MJ, or Wilt and anybody who thinks he does is delusional. Plus, dude has been swept 8 different times in his career. LMAO

WOW. I probably shouldn't even respond to this, but I am going to fall for it. The Cs of the league weren't that weak. It's just Shaq was above them. Did MJ dominate a weak league of SGs? You're delusional if you think that any C in NBA history would have stopped Shaq from doing what he did. In fact, it might have motivated him more if he wasn't easily the greatest big in the league for the majority of his career.

-Smak

[15yearmagicfan]

Not really a huge shaq fan since he spurned the magic back in the day, but the biggest BS thing that people used the say about him was that he just dunked the ball and not much else. Shaq had AWESOME touch with the ball, especially for a guy his size and massive hands. Obviously free throws were never 'his thing' but he had incredible touch around the hoop.

[imlmf]

almost like a grown man playing among children

[Andrei89]

GOAT center

[Micku]

Shaq was dominate.

The league changed the rules just to slow him down.

They would sometimes put almost the whole team on him just to get the ball out of his, but sometimes that doesn't work out. He would just dunk it over everybody.

Prime Shaq was fast, quick on his feet, and very strong. He wasn't too shabby on the D either. Shaq in 2000 and 2001 was probably the best level of play of the 00s.

[jbryan1984]

#2 on GOAT center list behind Kareem imo.

[coin24]

He is the best centre that i have ever witnessed play the game...

I actually watched bball in the 90s aswell:banana:



He was basically unstoppable, Im not sure how anyone can argue that.
Even now, at what, 38 years old? Can still get it done when u get him the ball.. I feel he was misused in cleveland. Just the year before he was playing awesome in phoenix...

[BlueandGold]

rofl OP is so stupid that people don't even both looking at his threads.

5-10 pages of retardedness, trolling and onceinadecade getting mad @ how beasley sucks rofl

[Nash-tastic]

http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w327/GODDESS_067/NBA%20WallPaper/Shaquille_O_Neal_Biography.jpg
The most unstoppable and dominant player ever.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd184/leecatz14/Shaq.gif
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/BringYoGreenHat/shaq.jpg
Its as if that white guy was the entire league and thats what Shaq did to them

[SinJackal]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/BringYoGreenHat/shaq.jpg
Its as if that white guy was the entire league and thats what Shaq did to them

True. Except when he got swept out of the playoffs by: Reggie Miller, Hakeem, Jordan, Malone, Duncan, a crappy Bulls team, dominated by Duncan again when he went to Phoenix (nearly getting swept), and embarrassed himself in Cleveland after that. Not to mention losing to the worst Spurs championship team even though he had Kobe, and just came off a three peat. Or the big finals failure against the Pistons (nearly a sweep) when he had Malone, Payton, and Kobe backing him.

He had great runs, but he's also shown us some very big disappointments (especially lately). Getting swept and nearly swept most of the time he's been in the playoffs when fully healthy. . .I mean wtf?


To sum up, these are the total amounts of seasons Shaq's either didn't earn a playoff seed, been swept out, lost 1-4, lost with more than 1 win, or won the finals.

Didn't even make the playoffs: 2

Swept out of playoffs: 6

Won only one game in playoff series loss: 3 (aka his team got dominated, nearly getting swept)

Lost with more than 1 win: 3 (one was vs the worst Spurs title team with only Duncan starring on it)

Won finals: 4 (one run in particular was very impressive. His 3 titles in LA {especially the first two}, were especially impressive. He was smashing people bigtime.


So. . .4 titles, but swept 6 times, didn't make playoffs 2 times, lost 1-4 3 times, went out putting up a good fight 3 times.


So to sum up: 7 good playoff runs (4 titles), 9 embarrassing ones, and 2 seasons he didn't even make it.

It's really been hit or miss with the guy. Super crazy dominant, or wtf where'd he go?

In his defense though, he's usually got fairly deep in the playoffs even if he eventually got embarrassingly got crushed out in the later rounds.


He's another one of those players where you wonder how well he would've done if he lucked out and got drafted/traded to a good team right away, rather than toil on lackluster teams for half a decade first.

[Andrei89]

Waiting for ShaqAttack to kick SinJacka's ass

[WADE MONEY]

If Prime Shaq was in the leauge today Lebron would have signed with whatever team he was on.

:roll:

[WADE MONEY]

Shaq was dominate.

:facepalm

[WADE MONEY]

Its as if that white guy was the entire league and thats what Shaq did to them

:roll: :roll:

[andgar923]

Not sure if its been posted yet;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eu2NrAqQr4&feature=related

Remember..... this is a 300 pd 7footer.

Anybody comparing Howard to Shaq has never seen Shaq play.

[RandyOrton]

Shaq was a GOAT center man.

[OnceInADECADE]

His prime ranks up their with the best. I think his finals averages say it all
28-12-6 60%
38-17-2 61%
33-15-5 57%
36-12-4 60%
I'll leave off his 06 finals to be nice. He played terrible that year in the finals.

damn bro! :bowdown:

[OnceInADECADE]

Once in a lifetime talent that was limited by both how he was handled on the court and by his own apathy. They sort of let him hit and be hit at the refs whim which was a disservice to him. Vastly underrated agility and skill that was overshadowed by his obvious power and size. Were he even 10% more mature he'd be up there in GOAT conversations. As it stands one of the greatest centers of all time.

OnceInADECADE

[OnceInADECADE]

Nope, you got it twisted, those guys were lucky to have played with Shaq. Most players don't even get a chance to play with such a dominant big man like that. I can see where that argument regarding Lebron might come into play as this past year's Shaq was nowhere near the version of Shaq that played with Wade and especially Kobe.

I'm sure a few other wing players, specifically Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, and Vince Carter wished they could have been so lucky to have had Shaquille O'Neal as well.



Sure his numbers aren't anything to get excited about, but his stats don't show just how much of an impact he had on that series from his presence alone. The Mavs entire game plan, just like teams did when Shaq was on the Lakers, was to swarm Shaq with multiple defenders and desperately try to take him out of the game. He allowed other guys, Wade in particular, to be able to operate freely.

+1 REP

[SinJackal]

Waiting for ShaqAttack to kick SinJacka's ass

He won't, since I didn't say Shaq sucked, and never would. He knows how much I like Shaq, and isn't phased by stats since the positive stats and accomplishments in Shaq's favor easily make him #6 on the current GOAT list.

[OnceInADECADE]

one word: unstoppable. deserved at least 3 mvp's..

1994-1995 29.3ppg 11.3rpg 2.4bpg 0.583%
1999-2000 29.7ppg 13.6rpg 3.0bpg 0.574%
2000-2001 28.7ppg 12.7rpg 2.7bpg 0.572%
2004-2005 23.0ppg 10.4rpg 2.3bpg 0.601%

DAMN:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
i SAY 4

[OnceInADECADE]

Most dominant players of the last 20 years

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Hakeem

IMO Lebron should be there

[OnceInADECADE]

Yeah, Shaq was the best I've ever seen. I am not old enough to have seen Kareem or Wilt, and while I believe that those guys were great... there is no doubt in my mind that 1 on 1 Shaq would have murdered them.

Shaq was something else. Not only was he one of the more athletic guys, he also had a touch and had everyone in the NBA (except maybe Barkley) afraid of him. I don't think there has ever been a player in the NBA that changed the game around the hoop as much as Shaq. Especially on defense...

Shaq would offensively demoralize his opponents by causing them physical pain and then dunking on them repeatedly until they either started flopping or just gave up. And there is really no proof that any NBA great would react differently to that situation than the players Shaq faced in his career.

It's a total travesty that people want to rate Tim Duncan, Kobe, or Hakeem higher than Shaq. I believe they just hated Shaq because they saw him as a skill-less bully. And while he might have been the most dominant and relied on his physicality and bullied his way to the basket, the amount of skill he had was impossible to discount, either.

You can look at Shaq now and see people are still afraid of him and that's why he is still a great offseason pick up and will be until he decides to retire or until his knees buckle underneath him.

No NBA Great wants to bang with Shaq... especially not for a playoff series.

Edit:



WOW. I probably shouldn't even respond to this, but I am going to fall for it. The Cs of the league weren't that weak. It's just Shaq was above them. Did MJ dominate a weak league of SGs? You're delusional if you think that any C in NBA history would have stopped Shaq from doing what he did. In fact, it might have motivated him more if he wasn't easily the greatest big in the league for the majority of his career.

-Smak

Nice Post :applause:

[OnceInADECADE]

rofl OP is so stupid that people don't even both looking at his threads.

5-10 pages of retardedness, trolling and onceinadecade getting mad @ how beasley sucks rofl

:facepalm :facepalm

[Kingsfans818]

unstoppable 1 v 1


needed AT LEAST a double team

[White Chocolate]

At peak 30/15/3/3, around 60% shooting, mandatory double and sometimes even triple teams, unstoppable in the paint, and the only player in the league whose trips to the foul line received more attention than the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. :oldlol:

[OnceInADECADE]

At peak 30/15/3/3, around 60% shooting, mandatory double and sometimes even triple teams, unstoppable in the paint, and the only player in the league whose trips to the foul line received more attention than the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. :oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

WOW. I probably shouldn't even respond to this, but I am going to fall for it. The Cs of the league weren't that weak. It's just Shaq was above them. Did MJ dominate a weak league of SGs? You're delusional if you think that any C in NBA history would have stopped Shaq from doing what he did. In fact, it might have motivated him more if he wasn't easily the greatest big in the league for the majority of his career.

-Smak
lol no. the Center position during Shaq's Prime was incredibly weak compared to the 90's, 80's, and even 70's. it was embarrassing. lol @ dude playing against rik smits, old mutombo, and i can't even remember the center on the nets. :roll:

[OnceInADECADE]

lol no. the Center position during Shaq's Prime was incredibly weak compared to the 90's, 80's, and even 70's. it was embarrassing. lol @ dude playing against rik smits, old mutombo, and i can'teven remember the center on the nets. :roll:

but Shaq was still dominate in the 90's

[White Chocolate]

but Shaq was still dominate in the 90's


Seriously. Didn't he put up 29/13 with almost 4 BPG as a rookie? This was 1992-93. Guys like Ewing, Mutombo, Mourning, Robinson, and Olajuwon say hi.

[OnceInADECADE]

Seriously. Didn't he put up 29/13 with almost 4 BPG as a rookie? This was 1992-93. Guys like Ewing, Mutombo, Mourning, Robinson, and Olajuwon say hi.

23/13/4 i think as a rookie:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DirkNowitzki41]

Seeing the mixes of Shaq were insane, would have been awesome to see him play live. Too bad I was too young for that


23/13/4 i think as a rookie:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:bowdown:

[OnceInADECADE]

Seeing the mixes of Shaq were insane, would have been awesome to see him play live. Too bad I was too young for that



:bowdown:

same

[JohnWall2]

unstoppable

[OnceInADECADE]

unstoppable

:djparty :djparty :djparty :party: :party: :hammertime: :hammertime: :dancin :dancin :basketball

[ShaqAttack3234]

As far as Shaq's disappointments in his prime, well they were usually series with around 22-24 ppg, 12-14 rpg, series that for most would be great.

In his first 11 seasons, this is how his career looked.

Regular Season- 27.6 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.6 bpg
Playoffs- 28.1 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.3 bpg

It's hard to blame Shaq for the '95 and '98 sweeps too. Nick Anderson single handedly lost game 1 of the '95 finals after Shaq had almost locked up a victory with 12 fourth quarter points while crushing Olajuwon on the boards. Then, even after Nick Anderson's historic choke job, it took a Penny Hardaway defensive mistake and a Kenny Smith 3 to send the game to OT. I'm not sure if Orlando could've beaten Houston, but the series looks a lot different in Orlando holds on to that game 1 victory instead of a very young team suffering one of the most heartbreaking defeats imaginable.

And in '98? Well, Shaq was the only guy who could consistently put the ball in the basket in the WCF! He averaged 32 ppg on 56% shooting while his second option Eddie Jones managed just 15 on 41% shooting, Kobe shot 36% Horry shot 36% and Van Exel shot 24% from the field.

Nobody wins every year, but Shaq's playoff career stacks up against anyone in the 90's and 00's not named Michael Jordan.

As far as centers in Shaq's prime? Well, Shaq entered the league with Olajuwon, Robinson and Mutombo in their primes, Ewing still dominating and Mourning playing 20/10/3 basketball. The result? 23/14/3.5 on 56% shooting at 20, 29/13/3 on 60% at 21 and 29/11/3 on 58% as well as a finals appearance at 22.

And when Shaq peaked in 2000? Most teams still had quality seven footers and the Duncan/Robinson duo was the best defensive big man duo I've ever seen. I already posted a game from that season where Shaq outplayed Duncan(who was already great) at both ends and he also had to deal with Robinson who averaged 18/10 in just 32 mpg and was still one of the premier defensive players in the league, in fact, he led the Spurs in blocks and steals. He also averaged 22 ppg on 53% shooting in 8 games without Duncan, led the Spurs in scoring in the second half with over 20 ppg and he led the Spurs to a 5-3 record without Duncan. Not to mention Mutombo averaging 12/14/3. Oh yeah, Mourning was still out in Miami averaging 22/10/4 on 55% shooting.

Regardless, Shaq's early 2000s stats are more impressive to me than his early 90's stats. For one, the pace had slowed and team defenses had gotten better. That '98-'04 stretch IMO, was the hardest era to put up great numbers in NBA history. Which also speaks volumes about great players like Kobe, Duncan, KG, T-Mac ect.

[JohnWall2]

:djparty :djparty :djparty :party: :party: :hammertime: :hammertime: :dancin :dancin :basketball

REAL TALKS BRO!!

[OnceInADECADE]

As far as Shaq's disappointments in his prime, well they were usually series with around 22-24 ppg, 12-14 rpg, series that for most would be great.

In his first 11 seasons, this is how his career looked.

Regular Season- 27.6 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.6 bpg
Playoffs- 28.1 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.3 bpg

It's hard to blame Shaq for the '95 and '98 sweeps too. Nick Anderson single handedly lost game 1 of the '95 finals after Shaq had almost locked up a victory with 12 fourth quarter points while crushing Olajuwon on the boards. Then, even after Nick Anderson's historic choke job, it took a Penny Hardaway defensive mistake and a Kenny Smith 3 to send the game to OT. I'm not sure if Orlando could've beaten Houston, but the series looks a lot different in Orlando holds on to that game 1 victory instead of a very young team suffering one of the most heartbreaking defeats imaginable.

And in '98? Well, Shaq was the only guy who could consistently put the ball in the basket in the WCF! He averaged 32 ppg on 56% shooting while his second option Eddie Jones managed just 15 on 41% shooting, Kobe shot 36% Horry shot 36% and Van Exel shot 24% from the field.

Nobody wins every year, but Shaq's playoff career stacks up against anyone in the 90's and 00's not named Michael Jordan.

As far as centers in Shaq's prime? Well, Shaq entered the league with Olajuwon, Robinson and Mutombo in their primes, Ewing still dominating and Mourning playing 20/10/3 basketball. The result? 23/14/3.5 on 56% shooting at 20, 29/13/3 on 60% at 21 and 29/11/3 on 58% as well as a finals appearance at 22.

And when Shaq peaked in 2000? Most teams still had quality seven footers and the Duncan/Robinson duo was the best defensive big man duo I've ever seen. I already posted a game from that season where Shaq outplayed Duncan(who was already great) at both ends and he also had to deal with Robinson who averaged 18/10 in just 32 mpg and was still one of the premier defensive players in the league, in fact, he led the Spurs in blocks and steals. He also averaged 22 ppg on 53% shooting in 8 games without Duncan, led the Spurs in scoring in the second half with over 20 ppg and he led the Spurs to a 5-3 record without Duncan. Not to mention Mutombo averaging 12/14/3. Oh yeah, Mourning was still out in Miami averaging 22/10/4 on 55% shooting.

Regardless, Shaq's early 2000s stats are more impressive to me than his early 90's stats. For one, the pace had slowed and team defenses had gotten better. That '98-'04 stretch IMO, was the hardest era to put up great numbers in NBA history. Which also speaks volumes about great players like Kobe, Duncan, KG, T-Mac ect.

bump

great post

[jlip]

I'm going to copy and paste some posts I made about Shaq about 6 months ago from another forum that I'm on.

[jlip]

OK. We know that Shaq was a poor FT shooter but...

Shaq is probably the most underrated scorer of the past 20 years. Although he has won only 2 scoring titles (1995, 2000), he has been involved in three of the four closest scoring races in NBA history. He finished second all three times but easily could have won at least 5 scoring titles if he cared about that accolade. Here are the circumstances surrounding those 3 near misses.

1994- David Robinson- 29.8ppg

Shaq- 29.3ppg

The Spurs consciously set out to get David Robinson the scoring title. He miraculously had a career high 71 points on the last day of the season.

1998- MJ 28.7ppg

Shaq 28.3ppg

Owning a slim lead heading into the final day of the season, Jordan scored 44 points his final game against the Knicks. O'Neal, playing on the West Coast, needed 59 points to win the title but finished with "only" 33 in a Lakers' win.


1999- AI 26.8ppg

Shaq 26.3 ppg

Iverson owned a narrow lead heading into the final day of the season. Iverson scored 40 points in an overtime win over Detroit. O'Neal, having barely lost the title the previous year, said he didn't care and scored 18 points in the Lakers' rout over Portland.

Shaq is 2nd all time in career fg%.

Only two players in NBA history have ever led the league in scoring and fg% the same season. They are Shaq and Wilt.



Only 3 players have won championships while being the scoring champ

[OnceInADECADE]

[QUOTE=jlip]OK. We know that Shaq was a poor FT shooter but...

Shaq is probably the most underrated scorer of the past 20 years. Although he has won only 2 scoring titles (1995, 2000), he has been involved in three of the four closest scoring races in NBA history. He finished second all three times but easily could have won at least 5 scoring titles if he cared about that accolade. Here are the circumstances surrounding those 3 near misses.

1994- David Robinson- 29.8ppg

Shaq- 29.3ppg

The Spurs consciously set out to get David Robinson the scoring title. He miraculously had a career high 71 points on the last day of the season.

1998- MJ 28.7ppg

Shaq 28.3ppg

Owning a slim lead heading into the final day of the season, Jordan scored 44 points his final game against the Knicks. O'Neal, playing on the West Coast, needed 59 points to win the title but finished with "only" 33 in a Lakers' win.


1999- AI 26.8ppg

Shaq 26.3 ppg

Iverson owned a narrow lead heading into the final day of the season. Iverson scored 40 points in an overtime win over Detroit. O'Neal, having barely lost the title the previous year, said he didn't care and scored 18 points in the Lakers' rout over Portland.

Shaq is 2nd all time in career fg%.

Only two players in NBA history have ever led the league in scoring and fg% the same season. They are Shaq and Wilt.



Only 3 players have won championships while being the scoring champ

[jlip]

Shaq is unquestionably one of the greatest Finals performers of the modern era. Below are his cumulative stats over 6 Finals appearances compared to other legends…Magic, Bird, Jordan, and Duncan.

Shaq -6 Finals 60.1 fg% 28.83 ppg 13.1 rpg 3.43 apg 0.53 spg 2.07 bpg 3.3 tov

Magic- 9 Finals 51.5 fg% 19.44 ppg 7.94 rpg 11.68 apg 2.04 spg 0.3 bpg 3.8 tov

Bird- 5 Finals 45.6 fg% 23.09 ppg 11.64 rpg 6.03 apg 2.03 spg 0.77 bpg 2.9 tov

Jordan- 6 Finals 48.6 fg% 33.6 ppg 6.03 rpg 5.97 apg 1.77 spg 0.65 bpg 2.8 tov

Duncan- 4 Finals 47.20 fg% 22.68 ppg 14.4 rpg 3.36 apg 0.86 spg 3.04 bpg 3.1 tov

1995- Hakeem “Schools” Shaq

It is often said that Shaq was “schooled” by Hakeem in his 1st Finals appearance in 1995. Let’s compare both players’ performances statistically.

Shaq- 28ppg 12.5rpg 6.3apg .3spg 2.5bpg 59.5fg%

Hakeem- 32.5ppg 11.5rpg 5.5apg 2.0spg 2.0bpg 48.3%fg

This is how Shaq as a 3rd year center, who had only been to one playoffs before that season, performed statistically against the reigning Finals MVP and MVP and DPOY of the previous season, Hakeem. This Finals is seen by some as a “failure” by Shaq and, to many, “proves” that Hakeem was a better center than Shaq over their careers. If that is “failing,” I would love to have failed with those types of numbers. Let’s then see what Shaq did after he learned his lesson.

The 3 peat years

The 3 Finals performances from ’00-’02 are 3 of the most dominant performances in NBA Finals History. Let’s compare what I consider to be Shaq's 2 best to what I consider to be MJ’s 2 best.

MJ’s best Finals- 1993…41ppg 8.5rpg 6.3apg 1.7spg

Shaq’s best Finals- 2000. 38ppg 16.7rpg 2.3apg 2.7bpg

MJ’s 2nd best Finals- 1991…31.2ppg 6.6rpg 11.4apg 2.8spg

Shaq’s 2nd best Finals- 2002…36.3ppg 12.3rpg 3.8apg 2.8bpg

Shaq’s performances were as dominant as the player that is widely regarded as the greatest ever.

A more in depth look at the dominance of the 3 peat performances

Shaq played in 15 Finals games during the 3 peat years. He scored 40pts or more in 5 of those 15 games. His worst shooting performances during the 3 peat were two games of 13/25 (52%) from the field. In one of those games he had 36pts 21rbs. In the other he had managed a mere 34pts 14rbs. I know. He should be ashamed of himself. LOL!

His lowest scoring game during the entire 3 peat was 28pts once. He made up for his “pitiful” offensive performance by adding 20rbs 9asts and 8blks (finals record). C'mon, Shaq. You can do better than that. LOL!

The fewest rebounds he had in any game during the 3 peat was 10. If you take all of his lows during the 3 peat, then the worst possible game he could have had was 28pts 10rbs on 52% shooting.

In 2001 Dikembe Mutombo was the DPOY and league's leading rebounder. Shaq had more rebounds and blocks than Mutumbo in the 2001 Finals.

Shaq owns or shares MULTIPLE Finals records which were achieved during the 3 peat years

1st All Time in fg% in Finals history 60.1fg%

Most blocks in a game- 8 (tied with 2 others)

Most FT attempted in a game, half, and quarter

Most FTs made in a half

Most points scored in a 4 game series- 145 pts

Most FTs made and attempted in a 4 game series

2004

Despite losing in 5 games to the Pistons Shaq yet led the entire Finals in scoring (26.6ppg) and fg% (63.1%). He was also 2nd in rbs (10.8rpg).

2006

This was obviously his worst Finals ever. Despite that, he still managed to avg. a double double, lead the Finals again in fg%, and be 2nd in rebounds, missing the leader spot by just 0.6rpg.

[OnceInADECADE]

[QUOTE=jlip]Shaq is unquestionably one of the greatest Finals performers of the modern era. Below are his cumulative stats over 6 Finals appearances compared to other legends

[jlip]

Damn bro are you and SHAQATTACK related?

LOL! Nah. I'm not the biggest Shaq fan, but right before last season started I was on a another forum where some posters were mocking the "in decline" Shaq and acting like they had forgotten how dominant he was in his prime. I spent a couple of weeks looking up those stats just to remind them of how good he actually was.

[ILLsmak]

Well, that's one thing that works against Shaq. He was so good now that he's average (I'd say above average, but people would flame me... even though I still think he's a top 10 C) people are like RETIRE YOU FAT ASS.

But yeah, everyone wants to talk about Shaq being out of shape but he always was ready to go when the 'real' season started...

-Smak

[Myth]

I think prime Shaq was pretty damn close to prime Jordan. Though, Jordan's prime lasted longer than Shaq's and his prime just looks more impressive since it didn't involve as much physical dominance.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Shaq is the GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Guaranteed 2 points if you guard him one on one. probably about 5 dunks a game.

[KingBeasley08]

Shaq is the GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown:
yo bro, why did OnceInADecade get banned in the first place

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe was nothing all-time special in 2000, yet Shaq dominated that year like few others ever have. Everyone needs help to win titles - what's your point? And of course Shaq's "help" would largely consist of perimeter players, as they complemented him better than a banging, post-playing PF would have.

Fact is, there are only 3-4 players IN HISTORY who can even CLAIM to have been better at some point in their career than a 2000/2001 Shaq.

:facepalm

20 year old all NBA First team defense to go along with some of the best allaround skillset for a wing player in the NBA....was Kobe an alltime great at 20 - 21 years old????....which NBA player was?


he was already one of the best allaround players...and by 2001 he was the best allaround player in the NBA.

why must every thread a bout Shaq turn into slighting Kobe:confusedshrug:

[Round Mound]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2001/0604_large.jpg

Please people on the ISH how good was Shaq during his Orlando Magic and LosAngeles days? I read alot of articles on Shaquile Oneal and i heard he was like Dwight Howard on Steroids! Is that true? I was watching a mix on youtube and he was flatout dominating. He was a beast offense and defense. The fans loved him and he loved them. And i never seen a 300 pound man run that fast my GOD!! Plus i heard he had 35+Vertical Leap:bowdown: :bowdown: .

BTW if Prime Shaq was playing in todays game is he ranked number 1?
1.Shaq

(rest)

Please ISH members provide video and articles on Shaq during his dominate years. I'm really young so i dont really no anything bout dominate Shaq.

Most onstoppable 2-Point Scorer of All Time
GOAT Invidiual Offensive Player

When younger he was a Better Defender and Shot Blocker: do to being on his ideal weight 325 lbs or a bit less. Later on he was more polished offensively but his defense became worst.

The GOAT ballhandling big man and offensive center ever.

[SavageMode]

I remember watching Shaq, on the Lakers.. dude was unstoppable on every possesion.

[Heat007]

Most dominating force, disrupted entire defenses, put fouls on everybody. There is nothing in today's game that is close to what a prime Shaq did. Chosen as a top 50 player in history after playing less than 3 years in the NBA

Prime Shaq in today's game wouldn't be like his numbers before since defenses can cheat and double him without the ball, he would get less shot attempts fior sure, but he is a great passer and would have easily been the #1 player in todays game. Dwight Howard today is maybe half as good as a prime Shaq..maybe. Very high bball iq too, he knew when to pass it out and was ridiculous with positioning...and players were allowed to foul him before he got the ball but he rarely got those calls.

People tried to find reasons NOT to give him MVP. I remember NBC saying that Steve Francis deserved MVP more than him. Scott Skiles, Poppovich and Phil Jackson and many other coaches said he was "MVP every single year" and its a shame that he only won it once.

A prime Shaq was literally unfair.

But Kobe stans will tell you it was all Kobe why they won, and not the most dominating force in the modern era IN HIS PRIME.


:oldlol:


Playoff PER

1991 Bulls
Jordan--------32.0
Pippen--------22.0

1993 Bulls
Jordan---------30.1
Pippen---------16.9

1996 Bulls
Jordan---------26.7
Pippen---------19.4

1998 Bulls
Jordan---------28.1
Pippen---------19.5


2000 Lakers
Shaq-----------30.5
Kobe------------19.3

2001 Lakers
Shaq------------28.7
Kobe------------25.0

2002 Lakers
Shaq------------28.3
Kobe-------------20.5

2006 Heat
Wade------------26.9
Shaq-------------19.9



/thread

[D.J.]

Most dominant player in the league, but not quite as versatile as Hakeem. Shaq would just bully his way to an easy dunk. Basically a 30/15 guy with about three blocks a night in his prime. Also while shooting close to 60% from the field.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

If you really want to know? Go watch him in Orlando and Los Angeles sprinting in transition. He was as fast as LeBron. No jokes. And this is only telling how fast he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVsWuHblBwU&feature=related

Not only that, he had an impressive vertical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMX1FGwyr38&feature=related

Heck, hes still fast today ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8s4C7TqbP4
Shaq is very impressive!
But that Sprint against Tyson wasn't fair, he had a 30 meter headstart.
Not even the fastest humans can run 2x faster than an average human.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Shaq in the past, simply unstoppable.
A couple rules changed, and the backboards and rims got redesigned, all because of Shaq.
Basically, if your guards can feed him the ball anywhere within 10 feet of the rim, it's an automatic dunk or free throws.

it's arguable that prime Shaq could even be more difficult to guard than prime Michael Jordan.

[Prodigy]

Not good enough to make me forget about how he destroyed all the teams he has been on for the past 3 years.

[kkling]

Shaq would stomp all over Howard if he was still in his prime. Sucks for those that didn't get to watch him in his younger days.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

True. Dwight Howard right now isn't even close to what Shaq used to be.
The only thing that makes him better, is that Centers are the last of a dying breed today.

[KevinNYC]

The GOAT ballhandling big man ....ever.


Anyone agree with this one?

Shaq was a beast, but I found Shaqball pretty boring to watch. Catch the ball on the block, bump a smaller player under the basket and then shoot over him.

After watching Bird, Magic, Michael, Hakeem, David Robinson, Barkley, Chris Mullin, Pippin, it was depressing to think that the greatest player in the game wasn't that skilled or understood the game at a high level. I may have been underrating Shaq's skills due to physical advantage, but that's how I felt at the time.

[Cowboy Thunder]

I watched both play, and I'll just say this:

If we're on the playground and I'm captain, I'm taking prime Shaq with my first pick for my team over prime Jordan.

[emaugust]

Anyone comparing Shaq to Dwight needs to sit down. Not trying to pick on Dwight but Shaq was on his own level. That's why he is a top 10 all time player, with 4 rings and is currently the oldest player in the NBA... He pretty much dominated... The only real weakness in his game was Free throws.

And I don't mind the elbow going up - you gotta get space - it's those Dwight Howard elbows coming down that always give dudes concussions that I don't like...

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Shaq was so physically dominant. He was a lot better on defense in those days. A lot of energy, power and hops. He tore down a couple backboards and I'm pretty sure they had to start making them more sturdy becasue of the Diesel. Todays Shaq is still a handfull to guard and he is an efficient scorer but Shaq back in the day was on a different level. You couldn't do anything but hack the dude or get out of his way. Most dominant player ever not named Wilt. And Shaq would have eaten Wilt up.

If he could have made his free throws he would be up there with Kareem and Jordan as the GOAT.

[JohnnySic]

Prime Shaq would crush any center now playing.

Only Hakeem (a top 12 player all time) was able to stand up to Shaq, and that was when Shaq was young and inexperienced...

[creepingdeath]

Shaq was so physically dominant. He was a lot better on defense in those days. A lot of energy, power and hops. He tore down a couple backboards and I'm pretty sure they had to start making them more sturdy becasue of the Diesel. Todays Shaq is still a handfull to guard and he is an efficient scorer but Shaq back in the day was on a different level. You couldn't do anything but hack the dude or get out of his way. Most dominant player ever not named Wilt. And Shaq would have eaten Wilt up.

If he could have made his free throws he would be up there with Kareem and Jordan as the GOAT.
If he would have made significantly more of his free throws he would have been, without a doubt, the undisputed GOAT.

[twintowers]

:applause: please do you have some videos of Shaq during his prime?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYtjNS-12g&feature=related

[SYM86]

Prime Shaq would crush any center now playing.

Only Hakeem (a top 12 player all time) was able to stand up to Shaq, and that was when Shaq was young and inexperienced...

agree. this era of NBA seems so weak, no one play tough D. all the power forwards are playing the Center position.

[bagelred]

Easily the most dominating player I've ever seen.

And that includes George Mikan.










I've said too much.......

[artificial]

agree. this era of NBA seems so weak, no one play tough D. all the power forwards are playing the Center position.
It has nothing to do with era. Prime Shaq would almost certainly crush anyone that dare stand in front of him. The list of players that could -hypothetically- stop a prime Shaq is very, very short, if any.

[PurpleChuck]

Had to ride Wade to his last ring.

Wade > Shaq on all time rank.:pimp:

[XxSMSxX]

Most dominant player in the league, but not quite as versatile as Hakeem. Shaq would just bully his way to an easy dunk. Basically a 30/15 guy with about three blocks a night in his prime. Also while shooting close to 60% from the field.

Yea you know, nothing special, just your average 30/15 guy :lol

[brownmamba00]

Yea you know, nothing special, just your average 30/15 guy :lol
:lol

[creepingdeath]

Had to ride Wade to his last ring.

Wade > Shaq on all time rank.:pimp:
You're 15, so you didn't even watch their postseason run. :lol

[XxSMSxX]

It has nothing to do with era. Prime Shaq would almost certainly crush anyone that dare stand in front of him. The list of players that could -hypothetically- stop a prime Shaq is very, very short, if any.

Wait they gotta list for that? I didnt' even know one existed :bowdown:

[Christofire]

:oldlol:

GOAT Elbow to the Face move. He was dominant. MDE.
best drop step travel move ever as well

[824]

Shaq got me really into basketball, watching him rape everyone was incredible

[rodman91]

In 90's & 00's, centers were telling Shaq stories to scare eachother.

In Late 90's, he was like a bad joke for best centers of all times.A rookie was almost as good as them.He had couple of major weakness on offense. (can't shoot 8 feet out of rim, can't shoot freethrows,he couldn't pass out of double team) However, he was able to push against Ewing and able to dunk.Same goes for David Robinson,Olajuwon. He was the most feared rookie of all times, probably.

He was more than 300 pounds,most powerful guy on court,able to dribble all court,he could out run even most of powerforwards,he could jump high.He was much more focused on rebound and blocking in early years.

Only was guarding was exclusive double team or triple team or foul him. That was the only way keeping him in +20 points & +10 rebound :lol

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Look how Dwight is happy that he has never match up with prime Shaq.:lol

[pauk]

1. michael jordan
2. wilt chamberlain
3. kareem abdul jabbar
4. bill russell
5. shaquille oneal (most dominant player ever? gota mean something)
6. oscar robertson
7. magic johnson
8. larry bird
9. julius erving
10. hakeem olajuwon
11. tim duncan
12. kobe bryant
13. moses malone
14. karl malone
15. charles barkley
16. lebron james
17. elgin baylor
18. jerry west
19. john havlicek
20. isiah thomas
21. david robinson
22. dwyane wade
23. kevin garnett
24. walt frazier
25. scottie pippen / dominique wilkins / payton / bob cousy / bob pettit / nate archibald / jason kidd

[Javat_90]

^^Julius Erving and Oscar Robertson ahead of Kobe and Duncan??

gtfo

[Calabis]

so he was better than Kobe, Wade and Bron?

Nobody is better than Kobe....haven't you heard????

Shaq would destroy the league today, most dominant force to play period. IMO yes peak Shaq was better than all those guys in my opinion

[brownmamba00]

^^Julius Erving and Oscar Robertson ahead of Kobe and Duncan??

gtfo

And Oscar ahead of Magic and Bird :lol

[rodman91]

1. michael jordan
2. wilt chamberlain
3. kareem abdul jabbar
4. bill russell
5. shaquille oneal (most dominant player ever? gota mean something)
6. oscar robertson
7. magic johnson
8. larry bird
9. julius erving
10. hakeem olajuwon
11. tim duncan
12. kobe bryant
13. moses malone
14. karl malone
15. charles barkley
16. lebron james
17. elgin baylor
18. jerry west
19. john havlicek
20. isiah thomas
21. david robinson
22. dwyane wade
23. kevin garnett
24. walt frazier
25. scottie pippen / dominique wilkins / payton / bob cousy / bob pettit / nate archibald / jason kidd

Where the **** Iverson when Dominique Wilkins in top 25? Iverson won MVP, four scoring titles, 6th at ppg in regular season history, 2nd at ppg in playoffs history,3 time stealing leader, carried one of the worst team made finals.

Iverson probably only guy who had such career and being such underrated.

Anyway, Shaq was great but there certainly not at 4th spot if its about career. If its about play still not in 4th. Hakeem was better player than Shaq.He won 2 rings with probably worst cast for a champion team. He won those rings over 2 rivals. Shaq and Ewing. Both had arguably better casts.

Also 00's had lack of good centers except Shaq. 4th spot is too much.Most dominant yes, but not 4th best player or 4th best career.

John Stockton,Pat Ewing..

Goat lists suck..not just yours.

[HylianNightmare]

very good

[AlphaWolf24]

Bunch of basketball Illiterates up in here....

Shaq was a great talent who relied on his size and strength to take high% shots 5' from the hoop.

His ego destroyed team chemistry everywhere he played, He won 3 titles with one of the top 2 allaround greatest SG in NBA History and hasn't been anywhere near as dominate without him.


Shaq should get down on both knees and thank Kobe for helping him dominate for a couple years and become a champion...

He never sniffed the postseason success he had when he played with Kobe....people saying Shaq was so sominate and could have won with anyone is laughable....

Shaq played on 6 50+ win teams capable of winning titles.....he won 1 in 8 years without Kobe....Kobe has been to 3 straight without Shaq and still going strong.


get down on your knees and be thankful you played with someone who loves the game while you were out of shape.....Kobe was always the best allaround player on the Lakers....the lakers were calling timeouts to get you on the bench in crunchtime...:lol

Dream mopped you up in 95' and proved skill>size.....

to bad you destroyed team chemistry everywhere you went...the Celtics IMO are better without you...Lakers are better without you....

take that to the Bank....

NEXT!

[rodman91]

Bunch of basketball Illiterates up in here....

Shaq was a great talent who relied on his size and strength to take high% shots 5' from the hoop.

His ego destroyed team chemistry everywhere he played, He won 3 titles with one of the top 2 allaround greatest SG in NBA History and hasn't been anywhere near as dominate without him.


Shaq should get down on both knees and thank Kobe for helping him dominate for a couple years and become a champion...

He never sniffed the postseason success he had when he played with Kobe....people saying Shaq was so sominate and could have won with anyone is laughable....

Shaq played on 6 50+ win teams capable of winning titles.....he won 1 in 8 years without Kobe....Kobe has been to 3 straight without Shaq and still going strong.


get down on your knees and be thankful you played with someone who loves the game while you were out of shape.....Kobe was always the best allaround player on the Lakers....the lakers were calling timeouts to get you on the bench in crunchtime...:lol

Dream mopped you up in 95' and proved skill>size.....

to bad you destroyed team chemistry everywhere you went...the Celtics IMO are better without you...Lakers are better without you....

take that to the Bank....

NEXT!

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[AlphaWolf24]

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Kobe averaged 9.2 ppg on 64% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 4.5 ppg on 29% during the 00' - 02' 3peat

>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383sFr1IkcI&feature=channel_video_title<<<<<


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[Doranku]

The best player I've ever seen in real time game-play since I started watching basketball.

[SavageMode]

Kobe averaged 9.2 ppg on 64% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 4.5 ppg on 29% during the 00' - 02' 3peat

>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383sFr1IkcI&feature=channel_video_title<<<<<


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Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9

Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5

Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4

Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623

Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599

Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530

Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452

Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317

Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192

Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97

Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 173
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 123

Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 556
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3

Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. Kobe Bryant wasn't good enough to beat out Eddie Jones for the starting spot his rookie year.

All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 10 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 87
Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 5 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 663
Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 3 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 179
Kobe Bryant: 261

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 2 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bryant: 142

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 0 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 57

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 15 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 66
Kobe Bryant: 29

Percentage of points scored on free throws:
Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

Seasons with at least 200 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 150 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0

Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league's best defender.

Regular season & Playoffs combined
40 point or higher games
MJ: 211
Kobe: 115

Regular season & Playoffs combined
30 point or higher games
MJ: 671
Kobe: 415

Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.50

Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 1

Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

All Star Game:
Jordan

[AlphaWolf24]

Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9

Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5

Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4

Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623

Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599

Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530

Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452

Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317

Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192

Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97

Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 173
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 123

Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 556
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3

Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. Kobe Bryant wasn't good enough to beat out Eddie Jones for the starting spot his rookie year.

All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19


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at similar ages

Games with 12+ rebounds
Jordon: 12
Kobe Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Jordon: 51
Kobe Bryant: 70
Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordn: 0
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Jordon: 44
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Jordon: 107
Kobe Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Jordon: 287
Kobe Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
jordn: 100
Kobe Bryant: 138
Games with less than 2 assists
Jordan: 51
Kobe Bryant: 45
(Reg season)Games with NO assists
Jordon:27
Kobe Bean Bryant: 17

Games with 7+ steals
Jordon: 4
Kobe: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Jordonr: 7
KOBE: 6
Games with 5+ steals
jordon: 10
KOBE: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Jordon: 35
Kobe: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Jordon: 160
Kobe: 165
Games with multiple blocks
Jordon: 90
KOBE: 102
Games with 3+ blocks
Jordon: 15
KOBE: 22
Games with 4+ blocks
Jordon: 1
KOBE: 4

1 hour ago
Games with 4+ blocks
Jordon: 1
KOBE: 4
Games with less than 4 turnovers
Jordon: 275
KOBE 489
Games with less than 3 turnovers
Jordon 245
Bean: 333
Games with less than 2 turnovers
Jordon: 75
KOBE 177
Games with NO turnovers
Jordon: 10
KOBE 45
Games with 5+ turnovers
Jordon: 162 (2 out of every 16 games)
KOBE 147 (1 out of every 16 games)
Games with more turnovers than assists
Jordon 244 (13 out of every 100 games)
KOBE 174 (22 out of every 100 games)
Foul Outs
Air: 7
Bean: 16
Percentage of points scored on free throws
Michael Jordan: 22.7%
Kobe Bryant: 25.9%
Percentage of points scored on two point field goals
Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%
Three point shot attempts per game
Air Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.54


That is because Jordan

[dillondavis]

They changed the rules of the game for shaq,
It's the main reason they brought zone into play cuz it wasn't fair when he had some one on one. He was a top 5 ever.

[Crown&Coke]

too good to explain in words. youtube aint gonna cut it, word of mouth aint gonna cut it, hearing it from God aint gonna cut it.

The man was dominaint a league that had legit centers and made it look easy at times.

kinda like a calculus theory, you can spend weeks and months trying to prove it, but in the end, we just take it as truth and move on because it takes too damn long to do the proof

[ShaqAttack3234]

Hey Alpha Wolf.....

3peat Lakers with Shaq and without Kobe- 25-6
3peat Lakers with Kobe and without Shaq- 13-12


Next.......

[FindingTim]

the only player I've ever seen who could turn ANY team into a title contender.
Put him on the current Kings/T-Wolves/Raptors and they'd have a chance at the title.
It sounds crazy, but believe it.

Also, people might tell you he was all size/strength, but he was a FREAK athlete with great skills who was a master at maximizing his body's potential.

He is right up there with MJ as the best of my lifetime.
And undoubtedly the Most Dominant Ever.

and quoted for truth:

too good to explain in words. youtube aint gonna cut it, word of mouth aint gonna cut it, hearing it from God aint gonna cut it.

The man was dominaint a league that had legit centers and made it look easy at times.

kinda like a calculus theory, you can spend weeks and months trying to prove it, but in the end, we just take it as truth and move on because it takes too damn long to do the proof


I watched both play, and I'll just say this:

If we're on the playground and I'm captain, I'm taking prime Shaq with my first pick for my team over prime Jordan.

Lastly, the Dwight Howard comparisons are hilarious. If they played a series in their primes, their averages would look something like this:
Howard: 16 pts, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks ---45% shooting
Shaq: 35 pts, 14 rebounds, 2 blocks ---60% shooting

and that's being generous to Dwight.
also keep in mind Shaq beasted in a glorious era for centers (D-Rob, Ewing, Hakeem, Mutumbo etc.)
whereas Dwight's best counterparts are of the Bogut/Perkins mold.

Frankly, and I'm probably alone in this, but I think Shaq just might be the best basketball player of all-time---
If only he could shoot free throws, he would be the consensus #1.

[RainierBeachPoet]

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Please people on the ISH how good was Shaq during his Orlando Magic and LosAngeles days? I read alot of articles on Shaquile Oneal and i heard he was like Dwight Howard on Steroids!

BTW if Prime Shaq was playing in todays game is he ranked number 1?

i have seen a lot of basketball over the years-- i was hooked with the early sonics and the 1973 knicks with walt frazier and earl the pearl

when shaq was at LSU, i actually thought that stanley roberts was better and a more skilled center. shaq was raw but had a nastiness about him that any coach wants to see in a center.

when he was drafted by the magic and during his rookie year started to just bully his way to the hoop and WILL to get dunks and rebounds, i was amazed how strong and dominant he was. remember there were excellent big men in the league at the time: david robinson, patrick, hakeem, brad daugherty. shaq was just fantastic since his first year and gave all of these guys trouble because of his size and strength. i used to just cringe and cower like no one before when shaq went to the hoop to jam it home

he only got better each year and it culminated in the laker championships where he was simple the best in all areas (except FTs)

dwight howard on steroids is a decent description. as powerful as dwight's moves to the hoop are-- shaq was 3x more powerful and intimidating

if the late 90s early 2000s shaq played today, everyone at ish would be amazed how great he was; most of the threads would be shaq lovers and haters going at it

[AlphaWolf24]

Hey Alpha Wolf.....

3peat Lakers with Shaq and without Kobe- 25-6
3peat Lakers with Kobe and without Shaq- 13-12


Next.......


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[ihatetimthomas]

i have seen a lot of basketball over the years-- i was hooked with the early sonics and the 1973 knicks with walt frazier and earl the pearl

when shaq was at LSU, i actually thought that stanley roberts was better and a more skilled center. shaq was raw but had a nastiness about him that any coach wants to see in a center.

when he was drafted by the magic and during his rookie year started to just bully his way to the hoop and WILL to get dunks and rebounds, i was amazed how strong and dominant he was. remember there were excellent big men in the league at the time: david robinson, patrick, hakeem, brad daugherty. shaq was just fantastic since his first year and gave all of these guys trouble because of his size and strength. i used to just cringe and cower like no one before when shaq went to the hoop to jam it home

he only got better each year and it culminated in the laker championships where he was simple the best in all areas (except FTs)

dwight howard on steroids is a decent description. as powerful as dwight's moves to the hoop are-- shaq was 3x more powerful and intimidating

if the late 90s early 2000s shaq played today, everyone at ish would be amazed how great he was; most of the threads would be shaq lovers and haters going at it

I think the consensus was that Stanley was better in college and even Shaq himself has said Stanley was the man when he got there and he was better than him. Injuries and conditioning derailed his career and he never fulfilled expectations.

There was not stopping Shaq early in his career and during his prime. His sheer strength and size was way too much for opposing centers to handle. And it wasn't only his size that made him who he was. He had top notch footwork, excellent skill in the post, and an elite passing big man. While his dominance in strength is what people remember the most, his dominance in skill, quickness and agility is what made him truly dominant.

He is Dwight Howard on steroids, but on top of the strength, he is also 10x better in terms of natural skill. Dwight doesn't really come close in terms of goto post moves. While I believe Dwight has improved, Shaq is on another orbit in his overall game. Shaq was also a solid defender and a good secondary defender. This is no knock to Dwight, he is a very good player. But Shaq is one of the best centers of all time.

[lefthook00]

Let's just put it this way, at one point people were asking, "Who would you rather take, Jordan or Shaq?"

[Nick Young]

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Please people on the ISH how good was Shaq during his Orlando Magic and LosAngeles days? I read alot of articles on Shaquile Oneal and i heard he was like Dwight Howard on Steroids! Is that true? I was watching a mix on youtube and he was flatout dominating. He was a beast offense and defense. The fans loved him and he loved them. And i never seen a 300 pound man run that fast my GOD!! Plus i heard he had 35+Vertical Leap:bowdown: :bowdown: .

BTW if Prime Shaq was playing in todays game is he ranked number 1?
1.Shaq

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Please ISH members provide video and articles on Shaq during his dominate years. I'm really young so i dont really no anything bout dominate Shaq.
MDE

40/20 games on a regular basis vs triple team coverage. He made reigning DPOTYs like Dikembe Mutumbo look like helpless scrubs.

On top of his unstoppable scoring ability, he was one of the best passing bigmen of all time. He sucked at defending the pick and roll but that and his fitness were his only weaknesses besides freethrows.

Prime Shaq against Dwight Howard, this is no exaggeration, Dwight would get absolutely destroyed and murdered on both ends of the floor. No this isn't just nostalgic memory. Dwight's flimsy post game would do nothing against Shaq.

On top of Shaq's amazing size and athleticism he had outstanding footwork and fundamental post moves (for example the black tornado, someone 7'2 320 pounds doing that move, it's unstoppable)

Popovich had to invent the hack-a-shaq to even hinder him and even then that plan usually backfired.

If you've never seen Shaq play just watch any of the finals games during the threepeat and you will be amazed.

You seriously never watched prime Shaq OP? HOW OLD ARE YOU

[Kellogs4toniee]

The simple fact that there is a very sound argument for taking prime Shaq over a prime MJ should tell you how dominant of a player Shaq was.

[AlphaWolf24]

MDE

40/20 games on a regular basis vs triple team coverage. He made reigning DPOTYs like Dikembe Mutumbo look like helpless scrubs.

On top of his unstoppable scoring ability, he was one of the best passing bigmen of all time. He sucked at defending the pick and roll but that and his fitness were his only weaknesses besides freethrows.

Prime Shaq against Dwight Howard, this is no exaggeration, Dwight would get absolutely destroyed and murdered on both ends of the floor. No this isn't just nostalgic memory. Dwight's flimsy post game would do nothing against Shaq.

On top of Shaq's amazing size and athleticism he had outstanding footwork and fundamental post moves (for example the black tornado, someone 7'2 320 pounds doing that move, it's unstoppable)

Popovich had to invent the hack-a-shaq to even hinder him and even then that plan usually backfired.

If you've never seen Shaq play just watch any of the finals games during the threepeat and you will be amazed.

You seriously never watched prime Shaq OP? HOW OLD ARE YOU


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never happened:facepalm

[Shogon Ramel]

just slightly better than d.rose... that's for damn sure. i saw him play in his prime and he was da best no doubt, but for a career, gimme rose...

[KingBeasley08]

just slightly better than d.rose... that's for damn sure. i saw him play in his prime and he was da best no doubt, but for a career, gimme rose...
another drose troll :rolleyes:

[Shogon Ramel]

another drose troll :rolleyes:

how am i a troll? lol... you're the troll bruh.

d.rose is about to equal shaq's career mvp total and then surpass him next year. learn that.

[Kingsfans818]

GOAT Scorer in NBA history

needed at least 2 defenders to stop him

teams would actually shift all 5 guys to try to stop him from getting position

[Kingsfans818]

how am i a troll? lol... you're the troll bruh.

d.rose is about to equal shaq's career mvp total and then surpass him next year. learn that.

lol , no way any PG can have the defensive impact that Shaq did

[KingBeasley08]

how am i a troll? lol... you're the troll bruh.

d.rose is about to equal shaq's career mvp total and then surpass him next year. learn that.
mvp is a joke award. if rose can ever dominate as much as shaq, ill cut off my balls and post it on ish

[Shogon Ramel]

mvp is a joke award. if rose can ever dominate as much as shaq, ill cut off my balls and post it on ish

get ready

[Kellogs4toniee]

mvp is a joke award. if rose can ever dominate as much as shaq, ill cut off my balls and post it on ish


Are you that much of a retard to be taking this guy seriously?

[BlackJoker23]

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Please people on the ISH how good was Shaq during his Orlando Magic and LosAngeles days? I read alot of articles on Shaquile Oneal and i heard he was like Dwight Howard on Steroids! Is that true? I was watching a mix on youtube and he was flatout dominating. He was a beast offense and defense. The fans loved him and he loved them. And i never seen a 300 pound man run that fast my GOD!! Plus i heard he had 35+Vertical Leap:bowdown: :bowdown: .

BTW if Prime Shaq was playing in todays game is he ranked number 1?
1.Shaq

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Please ISH members provide video and articles on Shaq during his dominate years. I'm really young so i dont really no anything bout dominate Shaq.
Are you like 10 years old?

[Shogon Ramel]

Are you that much of a retard to be taking this guy seriously?

are you that much of a retard to not recognize that d.rose is about to equal shaq's total number of career mvp awards in JUST his third year in the league? youngest mvp ever, like that doesn't mean shit... **** out of here bruh.

lol, dumbass. this is his first of many to come. d.rose will have the better career... more mvps, titles, finals mvps, etc etc... though shaq's peak was obviously better.

[KingBeasley08]

Are you that much of a retard to be taking this guy seriously?
the only reason ur mad is cuz i said rose wont be as dominant as shaq :oldlol:
if he was saying the same about durant, mr. kellogs wuda been quiet

Edit: now look at how he treats his fellow bull fans :roll:

[BlackJoker23]

the only player I've ever seen who could turn ANY team into a title contender.
Put him on the current Kings/T-Wolves/Raptors and they'd have a chance at the title.
It sounds crazy, but believe it.
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LOL no. They'd be good enough to make the playoffs but they won't do anything when they get there. I guess a guy as good as Shaq can give them a shot to upset but they'd likely be a perennial first round exit.

Shaq's late 90s Lakers were pretty good and more talented than the current Kings/Raps/TWolves yet they never made it to the finals.

[FindingTim]

LOL no. They'd be good enough to make the playoffs but they won't do anything when they get there. I guess a guy as good as Shaq can give them a shot to upset but they'd likely be a perennial first round exit.

Shaq's late 90s Lakers were pretty good and more talented than the current Kings/Raps/TWolves yet they never made it to the finals.

first of all it's a disgrace that Shaq only has one MVP, that is an utter joke and should not be used to support claims.

As for the Kings/Raps/T-Wolves: you gotta remember that Shaq commanded constant double and triple teams- so in the 1/2 court you are essentially playing 5 on 3 basketball...

maybe the "title contender" statement was a bit ambitious, but the addition of prime Shaq to any team would have far greater positive impact than any other player in history. The guy was the very definition of a beast, an absolute offensive monster.

If you're playing a pickup game with the best players of all-time, give me Shaquille O'neal first overall.
Perhaps he couldn't take the Raps/T-Wolves/Kings to the promise land, but if he was truly motivated, I'm not sure even these great Celtic/Laker teams could stop him.
Who would guard him? Bynum? Garnett? Gasol? Jermaine Oneal? Shaq would take their souls and their manhood and throw it against the wall, then drink their bodily fluids for dessert.