NBA 2k11 - Historic Roster Ratings (Bad News)

[1987_Lakers]

There are some major holes in these rosters. The '90 Pistons seem to be missing Vinnie Johnson, John Salley, & Mark Aguirre. & the '86 Celtics seem to be missing Walton.

'86 Celtics
C - Parish: 85
PF - McHale:85
SF - Bird: 96
SG - Ainge: 74
PG - D. Johnson: 81

'90 Pistons
C - Bill Laimbeer: 83
PF - Edwards: 70
SF - Rodman: 77
SG - Dumars: 87
PG - Thomas: 90

'96 Bulls
C - Longley: ?
PF - Rodman: 81
SF - Pippen: 92
SG - Jordan: 99
PG - Harper: 73
6M - Kukoc: 70
7M - Kerr: 71 (lol @ Kerr being rated higher than Kukoc)

'97 Bulls
C - Longley: ?
PF - Rodman: 81
SF - Pippen: 92
SG - Jordan: 99
PG - Harper: 74
6M - Kukoc: 72
7M - Kerr: 71

To see the rest of the historic ratings go here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBV8iU_2ClE
(5:55)

[j3lademaster]

So I guess Chris Paul(95) is that much better than Zeke again(90).

[beermonsteroo]

Jordan shpuld not be 99 in 1996. That' stupid. If he is 99 in 1996. Wjat is he in 1991 ? 110?:wtf:

[ImmortalD24]

Damn.. Pippen has a higher rating than Gasol. Bruce isn't going to like this.

[Doranku]

Damn.. Pippen has a higher rating than Gasol. Bruce isn't going to like this.

The Bulls top 5 players all are rated higher than the Lakers top 5. Bruce is furious. :roll:

[miller-time]

m.davis seems to be on several rosters, are they using the same bench for every team?

[PowerGlove]

Jordan shpuld not be 99 in 1996. That' stupid. If he is 99 in 1996. Wjat is he in 1991 ? 110?:wtf:
:oldlol:

[-23-]

Mchale should be 90~, parish, 89. WTF is this? Dwight better than parish? Gasol better than Mchale? LOL

Kukoc should be 75+ as well.

[MasterDurant24]

There are some major holes in these rosters. The '90 Pistons seem to be missing Vinnie Johnson, John Salley, & Mark Aguirre. & the '86 Celtics seem to be missing Walton.

'86 Celtics
C - Parish: 85
PF - McHale:85
SF - Bird: 96
SG - Ainge: 74
PG - D. Johnson: 81

'90 Pistons
C - Bill Laimbeer: 83
PF - Edwards: 70
SF - Rodman: 77
SG - Dumars: 87
PG - Thomas: 90

'96 Bulls
C - Longley: ?
PF - Rodman: 81
SF - Pippen: 92
SG - Jordan: 99
PG - Harper: 73
6M - Kukoc: 70
7M - Kerr: 71 (lol @ Kerr being rated higher than Kukoc)

'97 Bulls
C - Longley: ?
PF - Rodman: 81
SF - Pippen: 92
SG - Jordan: 99
PG - Harper: 73
6M - Kukoc: 72
7M - Kerr: 71

To see the rest of the historic ratings go here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBV8iU_2ClE
(5:55)
McHale and Parish at 85! :eek: Pippen is 7 points above them? He's above Isiah Thomas? Kerr better than Kukoc? Come on Now.

[indiefan24]

I dunno why everyone is still talking about 2K11...Elite is where it's going to be at.

Check out the new gameplay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftBRaVJcv1c&feature=related

[OnceInADECADE]

I dunno why everyone is still talking about 2K11...Elite is where it's going to be at.

Check out the new gameplay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftBRaVJcv1c&feature=related
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[-23-]

o my lord. Ewing has same rating as Dwight? LOOOL :no:

[Duncan21formvp]

Well they say only 5-6 guys signed for it and the rest are generic players.

Also I don't get how Malone is rated only 90 in 1997 and 1998. He should be a 95-97 easily.

Also how is Magic only a 92 but someone like Melo is a 93. :wtf:

Even in 2k10, Magic was rated only a 89 on the 80's west while Ewing was a 95 on the 90's east.

[97 bulls]

Has it been confirmed on whether or not you'll be able to adjust the historic teams player ratings?

[OnceInADECADE]

Beasley is rated 74:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Gonna be a 85 when the season is over Bump this

[Duncan21formvp]

Has it been confirmed on whether or not you'll be able to adjust the historic teams player ratings?

You can but if you have updates to the game they will probably be erased. So that might not be a good idea until the game stops being updated.

[Rekindled]

pippen better than Isiah ?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[KenneBell]

Did they really give older MJ a 99? Well, I guess 2K needed to give people some incentive.

[kabalcage]

Not only is Chris Paul overrated, he has one of the all time greatest ratings. He's as better than Magic John, John Stockton, Karl Malone and fricking Isiah Thomas! Deron Williams is better than all of them too.

[97 bulls]

You can but if you have updates to the game they will probably be erased. So that might not be a good idea until the game stops being updated.
Then what's the big woop about? If you can modify the players as you see fit. Just adjust the ratings to what you think they should be. Im curious to see what some people give their favorite teams.

[1987_Lakers]

Mchale should be 90~, parish, 89. WTF is this? Dwight better than parish? Gasol better than Mchale? LOL

Kukoc should be 75+ as well.

Yeah, if Gasol is at 89 then McHale should be atleast 90. I got no beef with Parish at 85 & Kukoc should definitely be rated higher than 70.

[97 bulls]

I agree. But my question is what are they baseing their ratings on? Cuz I see no consistancy what so ever.

[Solid Snake]

Listen, I know the 2nd three-peat Bulls better than any paid expert, seeing as I have all 82 games on VHS and have watched each game at least 3 times, they MAJORLY ****ed up the ratings. Relative to all other ratings, Kukuc and Rodman's ratings are too low. Kukoc should be high 70s at LEAST, if not low 80s. And Rodman being anything UNDER 85 is a ****king joke.

[1987_Lakers]

Ratings should be...

C - Parish: 85
PF - McHale: 90
SF - Bird: 98
SG - Ainge: 73
PG - DJ: 81
6M - Walton: 74


C - Longley: 69
PF - Rodman: 85
SF - Pippen: 92
SG - MJ: 98
PG - Harper: 72
6M - Kukoc: 78
7M - Kerr: 68

[97 bulls]

Ratings should be...

C - Parish: 85
PF - McHale: 90
SF - Bird: 98
SG - Ainge: 73
PG - DJ: 81
6M - Walton: 74


C - Longley: 69
PF - Rodman: 85
SF - Pippen: 92
SG - MJ: 98
PG - Harper: 72
6M - Kukoc: 78
7M - Kerr: 68
But it depends on how you rate things. Are the celtics based on the 80s pace and the bulls on a 90s pace? If so I agree. But then that's not really fair cuz the 90s was a lower era statistically.

[no pun intended]

Larry Bird should be at least 97. Seriously.

[97 bulls]

Listen, I know the 2nd three-peat Bulls better than any paid expert, seeing as I have all 82 games on VHS and have watched each game at least 3 times, they MAJORLY ****ed up the ratings. Relative to all other ratings, Kukuc and Rodman's ratings are too low. Kukoc should be high 70s at LEAST, if not low 80s. And Rodman being anything UNDER 85 is a ****king joke.
I agree the bulls rating should be as follows

Harper 77
jordan 99
pippen 94
rrodman 86
longley 73
kukoc 81
kerr 70

[gyu]

I don't really understand why you guys are trashing the ratings of current active players. I'm pretty sure they did it relative with other CURRENT players, not of all players in the history of the NBA.

[guy]

But it depends on how you rate things. Are the celtics based on the 80s pace and the bulls on a 90s pace? If so I agree. But then that's not really fair cuz the 90s was a lower era statistically.

Umm, I don't think its based on any of that.

[97 bulls]

Umm, I don't think its based on any of that.
Not the game. Us. What are we baseing our ratings on?

[1987_Lakers]

I agree the bulls rating should be as follows

Harper 77
jordan 99
pippen 94
rrodman 86
longley 73
kukoc 81
kerr 70

Harper is not 77. Tony Parker is at 78 in this game & Harper is not on that level. '96 Harper is a rich man's derek fisher. Harper is low 70's. Longley is late 60's or 70, he isn't anything special.

[SinJackal]

Jordan shpuld not be 99 in 1996. That' stupid. If he is 99 in 1996. Wjat is he in 1991 ? 110?:wtf:

Probably is. The rating doesn't go over 99 if it's actually higher after all.

But I don't agree he shouldn't be 99 in 1996. They gave current Kobe/Wade 97s. Compare and contrast to 1996 Jordan. He clearly deserves the 99.



Harper is not 77. Tony Parker is at 78 in this game & Harper is not on that level. '96 Harper is a rich man's derek fisher. Harper is low 70's. Longley is late 60's or 70, he isn't anything special.

I agree, the stats for a LOTTTTT of current players are WAY off. Dirk only got an 83 for christ's sake.

[Yung D-Will]

Well Chris Paul is naturally gonna be rated higher since they have to give him almost 99 steals .

[97 bulls]

Harper is not 77. Tony Parker is at 78 in this game & Harper is not on that level. '96 Harper is a rich man's derek fisher. Harper is low 70's. Longley is late 60's or 70, he isn't anything special.
I think longleys defense and jumpshot get him in the 70s. Maybe 73 is a little high but meh. I like harpers defense and awareness defensively and offensively. I really don't think parker right now is that much better than harper on the bulls.

[guy]

Not the game. Us. What are we baseing our ratings on?

I'm saying both. The 2k11 overall ratings are based on a composite of things, such as shooting, driving ability, dunking, defense, passing, rebounding, etc. That doesn't have anything to do with pace or statistics.

[SinJackal]

Well Chris Paul is naturally gonna be rated higher since they have to give him almost 99 steals .

His smaller size make his stats worth a little less than slightly bigger guards though. Deron's extra size for example, with slightly lesser stats might equate into better in-game performance since he has more size/strength/length to utilize during the game. (in the video game I mean)

That's why if you make a 6'10" guy with jacked up stats, way better than a small guy with similar stats.

[Rake2204]

I'm a little bummed the rosters are short. I was hoping for each team to go about eight deep with real players. Oh well. The good news is I believe the rest of the guys are editable. The vast majority of starters seem to be included (minus Greg Ostertag and Kevin Duckworth) so it shouldn't be too shabby.

Also, as most of you know, it's possible to save a number of different roster files. So, if you fill out the classic rosters and save your file, it can be seperate from the official 2K file update, thus saving your work.

[New York Knicks]

Then what's the big woop about? If you can modify the players as you see fit. Just adjust the ratings to what you think they should be. Im curious to see what some people give their favorite teams.
97-98 Jordan has a 97.

But everything is judged on stats. Like Ewing has a 76 block because they used his '94-95 year. And he only averaged 2 bpg. But his first several years he was good for 3.5bpg. Cause if a guy like Kobe has a 97 and he's down literally in every stat compared to Jordan then Jordan has to be a 99. Otherwise, they'd have to change the ratings and everyone's would dip.

[Meticode]

Beasley is rated 74:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Gonna be a 85 when the season is over Bump this
You're the joyner82 of Michael Beasley. That is not good.

[New York Knicks]

OT, but that Artest jumpoff's pretty hot.

[tommy3]

Koufos>Darko :facepalm

[KNOW1EDGE]

Damn.. Pippen has a higher rating than Gasol..

:facepalm

Pippen>Gasol and its not even close

[Ruh-Roh]

:facepalm

Pippen>Gasol and its not even close

This^^^

[97 bulls]

I'm saying both. The 2k11 overall ratings are based on a composite of things, such as shooting, driving ability, dunking, defense, passing, rebounding, etc. That doesn't have anything to do with pace or statistics.
Ok then how can dirk be 83 then bird be a 96? They're basically the same skillwise. And im not saying bird should be lower. But if bird is a mid to high 90s player, then dirk should be at worse 89. I just don't see any consistancy

[97 bulls]

I'm a little bummed the rosters are short. I was hoping for each team to go about eight deep with real players. Oh well. The good news is I believe the rest of the guys are editable. The vast majority of starters seem to be included (minus Greg Ostertag and Kevin Duckworth) so it shouldn't be too shabby.

Also, as most of you know, it's possible to save a number of different roster files. So, if you fill out the classic rosters and save your file, it can be seperate from the official 2K file update, thus saving your work.
Great, cuz I wanna be able to create every 97 bull all the way down to matt stienga.

[TheLogo]

I wouldn't sweat the ranking system they have and I think I know why players are rated the way they are.

The legend teams and players are ranked based off of that particular year.

The current players are being ranked from last season.

Example:

So Dirk is 83 and Bird is 96 because last year, Dirk played subpar for his standards while that year, Bird was a beast.

If we would do an overall career ranking than I would say Dirk 93 and Bird 96...which is very similar.

[97 bulls]

97-98 Jordan has a 97.

But everything is judged on stats. Like Ewing has a 76 block because they used his '94-95 year. And he only averaged 2 bpg. But his first several years he was good for 3.5bpg. Cause if a guy like Kobe has a 97 and he's down literally in every stat compared to Jordan then Jordan has to be a 99. Otherwise, they'd have to change the ratings and everyone's would dip.
I feel all facet of jordan from 87 to 97 is a 99. Id rate 85-86 jordan a 96. And the 98 jordan a 97. I feel mj was better skillwise in the late 90s than he was at anytime of his career. Which makes up for the slight loss in athleticism. Early jordan was just a scorer and a great defender. But as a team player not much.

[TheLogo]

I feel all facet of jordan from 87 to 97 is a 99. Id rate 85-86 jordan a 96. And the 98 jordan a 97. I feel mj was better skillwise in the late 90s than he was at anytime of his career. Which makes up for the slight loss in athleticism. Early jordan was just a scorer and a great defender. But as a team player not much.

He was a garbage team player and that is the reason why he can't play with a true PG.

MJ was ball dominant in his early days.

[97 bulls]

I wouldn't sweat the ranking system they have and I think I know why players are rated the way they are.

The legend teams and players are ranked based off of that particular year.

The current players are being ranked from last season.

Example:

So Dirk is 83 and Bird is 96 because last year, Dirk played subpar for his standards while that year, Bird was a beast.

If we would do an overall career ranking than I would say Dirk 93 and Bird 96...which is very similar.
I had checked logo. And statistically they're pretty damn close. I think bird avg 26 ppg and 9rbds in an uptempo era, to dirks 25 ppg and 7 rbds last year. And the tempo now is nowhere close to how it was in the 80s

[MasterDurant24]

I wouldn't sweat the ranking system they have and I think I know why players are rated the way they are.

The legend teams and players are ranked based off of that particular year.

The current players are being ranked from last season.

Example:

So Dirk is 83 and Bird is 96 because last year, Dirk played subpar for his standards while that year, Bird was a beast.

If we would do an overall career ranking than I would say Dirk 93 and Bird 96...which is very similar.
Nobody is talking about career. Dirk had a good enough season to get a higher rating. When Jordan dropped 63 on the Celtics, Bird was in his peak. (At least I think that was the 86 season) When Bird was in his peak, he was good as anybody who ever lived. Yes, better than Kobe.

[97 bulls]

Are you guys sure that the historic teams player ratings can be adjusted? Cuz my buddy said they arent. Anybody got a link on confirmation?

[Batz]

Are you guys sure that the historic teams player ratings can be adjusted? Cuz my buddy said they arent. Anybody got a link on confirmation?
Probably not in MJ mode, but in the fantasy rosters most definitely.

[New York Knicks]

Ok then how can dirk be 83 then bird be a 96? They're basically the same skillwise. And im not saying bird should be lower. But if bird is a mid to high 90s player, then dirk should be at worse 89. I just don't see any consistancy
Dirk plays PF. Bird plays SF. People should just ignore overall ratings because different stats affect different players depending on the position they play. A 3-point rating will have a much larger impact on a SF than a PF, for example.

[New York Knicks]

Are you guys sure that the historic teams player ratings can be adjusted? Cuz my buddy said they arent. Anybody got a link on confirmation?
You can edit them. I'm playing right now.

[KGMN]

Beasley is rated 74:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Gonna be a 85 when the season is over Bump this

Kevin Love is rated 74:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Gonna be a 90 when the season is over

[KGMN]

Koufos>Darko :facepalm
Everything is wrong about these ratings. They need to change them... badly.

[97 bulls]

You can edit them. I'm playing right now.
Nice, are the historic rosters complet all the way down to the injured reserve? And can you trade or mix and match between the historic and current rosters?

[New York Knicks]

Nice, are the historic rosters complet all the way down to the injured reserve? And can you trade or mix and match between the historic and current rosters?
You can mix and match. But as far as I can tell, none of them are complete. I'm guessing it has something to do with the players left out not being part of the NBA Players' Association so 2k doesn't have the rights to put them in.

[New York Knicks]

2k also lied about wingspan being more an attribute. I don't see it anywhere in the game. That was one of the main changes I was looking for. It's arguably the most important trait for a player.

[97 bulls]

You can mix and match. But as far as I can tell, none of them are complete. I'm guessing it has something to do with the players left out not being part of the NBA Players' Association so 2k doesn't have the rights to put them in.
So I still have to create the bench? Will they fit on the historic team rosters. So like if I wanna recreate. Williams, caffey, brown, wennington, etc. Is ther room for them on the 97 bulls roster? Or would I have to move them to the regular team to accommodate the space needed or spots needed.

And im assuming you're favorite team is the knicks. Have you modified that roster? And what their ratings?

[j3lademaster]

Then what's the big woop about? If you can modify the players as you see fit. Just adjust the ratings to what you think they should be. Im curious to see what some people give their favorite teams.

But you have to play the updated online roster if you want to play online. Otherwise no one will care about ratings and just adjust them as they see fit.

[j3lademaster]

So Dirk is 83 and Bird is 96 because last year, Dirk played subpar for his standards while that year, Bird was a beast.

Dirk is an 83 because he's a PF and his strengths are his ball-handling and shooting, and neither of those do too much for a PF or C's overall rating. The only thing he has to even make him an 83 is an exceptional offensive post game, offensive awareness, and average rebounding for his position (which is accurate as of real life). He's 83 on 2k10 as well and has a better mid range shot than Kobe and Joe Johnson's 3pt shooting. Most online players still consider him a top 2 big man in game next to Dwight(and even that's debatable) despite Duncan being a 90 and Gasol being a high 80.

[97 bulls]

Dirk is an 83 because he's a PF and his strengths are his ball-handling and shooting, and neither of those do too much for a PF or C's overall rating. The only thing he has to even make him an 83 is an exceptional offensive post game, offensive awareness, and average rebounding for his position (which is accurate as of real life). He's 83 on 2k10 as well and has a better mid range shot than Kobe and Joe Johnson's 3pt shooting. Most online players still consider him a top 2 big man in game next to Dwight(and even that's debatable) despite Duncan being a 90 and Gasol being a high 80.
But their skillset is about the same. And they both are forwards. Its not like they butter their bread in the post exclusively.

[New York Knicks]

So I still have to create the bench? Will they fit on the historic team rosters. So like if I wanna recreate. Williams, caffey, brown, wennington, etc. Is ther room for them on the 97 bulls roster? Or would I have to move them to the regular team to accommodate the space needed or spots needed.

And im assuming you're favorite team is the knicks. Have you modified that roster? And what their ratings?
I don't really know exactly who's missing. But I took a quick glance and noticed some "filler players" with the same name/stats that appeared on every team. Some teams had one of them. Some had a few more. Here's what the '96-97 Bulls roster looks like:

Jordan 99
Pippen 92
Rodman 81
Harper 74
Kukoc 72
Kerr 71
Longley 70
Parish 65
Buechler 62
Wennington 59

Then there's two filler players:
Robert Williams
Richard Johnson

I've never heard of them so I assume they were just there so the team has a full 12-man roster.

[New York Knicks]

But their skillset is about the same. And they both are forwards. Its not like they butter their bread in the post exclusively.
If you were to go and edit Dirk and make him a SF by default, I'm almost positive that his rating would jump.

[97 bulls]

But you have to play the updated online roster if you want to play online. Otherwise no one will care about ratings and just adjust them as they see fit.
I have a few buddies that come to my house and we have tournaments. I don't play online. So that's not a big deal. I just don't wanna be limited in my options.

[j3lademaster]

If you were to go and edit Dirk and make him a SF by default, I'm almost positive that his rating would jump.

Barely. 2k really labeled him as a tweener overal rating-wise, but if he were made better on that game he'd be really really cheap.

[97 bulls]

I don't really know exactly who's missing. But I took a quick glance and noticed some "filler players" with the same name/stats that appeared on every team. Some teams had one of them. Some had a few more. Here's what the '96-97 Bulls roster looks like:

Jordan 99
Pippen 92
Rodman 81
Harper 74
Kukoc 72
Kerr 71
Longley 70
Parish 65
Buechler 62
Wennington 59

Then there's two filler players:
Robert Williams
Richard Johnson

I've never heard of them so I assume they were just there so the team has a full 12-man roster.
Thanks for the answers knicks. One more question, is there enough room for 15 roster spots on the historic rosters? And can you put created players on the rosters of the historic teams? Cuz id also like to turn the 91 lakers into the 87 lakers by creating kareem and coop. Not to mention adding jason caffey and brian williams to the 97 bulls and the injured reserve players like matt stienga and randy brown. I guess that's two questions.

[Rake2204]

I don't really know exactly who's missing. But I took a quick glance and noticed some "filler players" with the same name/stats that appeared on every team. Some teams had one of them. Some had a few more. Here's what the '96-97 Bulls roster looks like:

Jordan 99
Pippen 92
Rodman 81
Harper 74
Kukoc 72
Kerr 71
Longley 70
Parish 65
Buechler 62
Wennington 59

Then there's two filler players:
Robert Williams
Richard Johnson

I've never heard of them so I assume they were just there so the team has a full 12-man roster.
I am so confused at this point. I swear I heard confirmation today that the late 90's Bulls teams didn't have any more than 6 players. I also heard the players were not editable. Now I'm seeing almost a full roster and the assertion that players are editable. Man, I'd much rather believe what you say, New York.

After I heard from another source the generic players were not editable, I at least came up with another possible solution, which would be to create the missing players, place them in free agency, then trade them for one of the generic fillers.

[Calabis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xF018uGZA

The Shrug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7xMHyBZEg&feature=related)

Gameplay Heat vs Suns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvPizSopeY&feature=related)

[Bosnian Sajo]

Who the hell is M.Davis???

[Kblaze8855]

But their skillset is about the same. And they both are forwards. Its not like they butter their bread in the post exclusively.

Id say just making ratings you would have to give bird better ball handling, far far better passing(as good as anyone in the game short of the Magic types), better rebounding, post scoring, and higher clutch ratings. Dirk better 3 point shooting and thats about it.

Ratings wise I can see Bird coming out ahead. He has too many things you have to rank highly.

[Replay32]

Yeah...These ratings seem pretty bogus. But they say overall doesn't matter (JR Smith any one. Or even Big Z). LMAO. We'll see when the game comes out. I for one can't wait to get my hands on this game.

Also, after playing the demo. Pau Gasol is an absolute beast in 2k11. He was great in 10 also but damn!!!!! Kobe is crazy too.

[1987_Lakers]

So can we edit the player ratings from the historic rosters?

[no pun intended]

So can we edit the player ratings from the historic rosters?
Of course. I mean you could do that in the previous games with the All-Decade teams.

[97 bulls]

Of course. I mean you could do that in the previous games with the All-Decade teams.
Are you sure? Or are you assuming?

[no pun intended]

Are you sure? Or are you assuming?
I guess I am assuming. But why not? We will see on Tuesday won't we though. Or you could ask someone who has it already.

[97 bulls]

I guess I am assuming. But why not? We will see on Tuesday won't we though. Or you could ask someone who has it already.
Knicks said you could. But then somebody else came in and said you couldn't. I don't see how or why you wouldn't. I really hope they don't limit the game like that.

[97 bulls]

I also hope your able to create players like kareem and put them on the historic rosters. Cuz I really want to recreate the showtime lakers.

[Psileas]

Lol at Magic having a 92 overall rating and a 95 offensive rating, instead of 98-99. I guess John Hollinger has to be the programmer of their rating system when it comes to offense. Also, if Kobe and Wade are at 97, this means Bird is low. And something that nobody noticed: Not even the most hard-core K.Malone fans would give him a rebounding rating of 99.

[97 bulls]

Lol at Magic having a 92 overall rating and a 95 offensive rating, instead of 98-99. I guess John Hollinger has to be the programmer of their rating system when it comes to offense. Also, if Kobe and Wade are at 97, this means Bird is low. And something that nobody noticed: Not even the most hard-core K.Malone fans would give him a rebounding rating of 99.
They might have done it cuz of magics lack of defense. And birds athleticism kills him. they factor in as many attributes as possible.

[Psileas]

This still doesn't explain how he gets a 95 offensive rating, whereas he was easily a GOAT offensive player candidate.

Then again, it's only a game. There are more important things to care about. However a lot of kids "learn" their history through games. I've heard about older editions of the NBA Live game doing things like give Wilt an 87 rebounding rating or Walt Bellamy a 50 when it comes to dunking, when Lisa Leslie would get a 51-52. Apparently, people in the late 90's still thought that Bellamy either couldn't or always refrained from dunking, which of course wasn't the case.

[PHILA]

Apparently, people in the late 90's still thought that Bellamy either couldn't or always refrained from dunking, which of course wasn't the case.

The Dipper would stuff it back down his throat. :applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRjFYwF_RQ#t=2m46s

[97 bulls]

This still doesn't explain how he gets a 95 offensive rating, whereas he was easily a GOAT offensive player candidate.

Then again, it's only a game. There are more important things to care about. However a lot of kids "learn" their history through games. I've heard about older editions of the NBA Live game doing things like give Wilt an 87 rebounding rating or Walt Bellamy a 50 when it comes to dunking, when Lisa Leslie would get a 51-52. Apparently, people in the late 90's still thought that Bellamy either couldn't or always refrained from dunking, which of course wasn't the case.
The key is candidate. How many guys get a 95 rating?

[97 bulls]

Hey silas, do you have the demo?

[Younggrease]

Lol at Magic having a 92 overall rating and a 95 offensive rating, instead of 98-99. I guess John Hollinger has to be the programmer of their rating system when it comes to offense. Also, if Kobe and Wade are at 97, this means Bird is low. And something that nobody noticed: Not even the most hard-core K.Malone fans would give him a rebounding rating of 99.

Magic should definately be higher than a 92. How was Magic in 91' compared to prime Magic? Prime Magic is a 98-99 but 91' Magic idk?

But 2k does these ranking not by overall but by culmination of the individual ranking. So maybe he got cut down by some rating that were weighed oddly?

The fact the Isiah was rated a 90 and CP3 is ranked a 95/Deron a 92 really bothers me.

[97 bulls]

Magic should definately be higher than a 92. How was Magic in 91' compared to prime Magic? Prime Magic is a 98-99 but 91' Magic idk?

But 2k does these ranking not by overall but by culmination of the individual ranking. So maybe he got cut down by some rating that were weighed oddly?

The fact the Isiah was rated a 90 and CP3 is ranked a 95/Deron a 92 really bothers me.
Actually, I see your point when he compared to paul and williams. I think magic should be around 96 and the other two should be around 92.

[Psileas]

The key is candidate. How many guys get a 95 rating?

According to the video, all GOAT candidates at some field seem to be given a 99. LeBron, ironically, has a 99 on both offense and defense and so do Wade and Kobe. Chris Paul has 99 and 94. 10-rebound per game guys like Randolph/Karl Malone/Bosh are given 98-99 rebounding ratings. On the other hand, Tim Duncan gets an 86 on defense...I don't need to go any further, either the guy has changed the players' ratings or the game's programmers haven't watched enough ball in their lives (or both).

[97 bulls]

According to the video, all GOAT candidates at some field seem to be given a 99. LeBron, ironically, has a 99 on both offense and defense and so do Wade and Kobe. Chris Paul has 99 and 94. 10-rebound per game guys like Randolph/Karl Malone/Bosh are given 98-99 rebounding ratings. On the other hand, Tim Duncan gets an 86 on defense...I don't need to go any further, either the guy has changed the players' ratings or the game's programmers haven't watched enough ball in their lives (or both).
I havnt seen the games ratings yet. But in 2k10, they basically have 3 ratings on the players home screen. And those ratings are offense, defense, and rebounds. Are you telling me that they gave kobe, lebron, and wade a 99 on offense and defense? If so that's wayyyyyyyyyy too high. Or did they give these players 99 ratings on certain attributes? And if its the latter, then isn't magic a 99 on passing and offensive awarness?

[TryToBeUnbias]

Are we forgetting that overall ratings mean absolute crap in this game ?

[97 bulls]

Are we forgetting that overall ratings mean absolute crap in this game ?
You're right since they can be adjusted.

[1987_Lakers]

Lol at Magic having a 92 overall rating and a 95 offensive rating, instead of 98-99. I guess John Hollinger has to be the programmer of their rating system when it comes to offense. Also, if Kobe and Wade are at 97, this means Bird is low. And something that nobody noticed: Not even the most hard-core K.Malone fans would give him a rebounding rating of 99.

Agreed. Chris Paul barley played last year and got a 95 rating. Magic on the other hand finished 2nd in the MVP voting, led his team to the Finals, & was the 2nd best player in the league behind MJ & only gets a 92 rating??? Magic should atleast be 97.

[Psileas]

I havnt seen the games ratings yet. But in 2k10, they basically have 3 ratings on the players home screen. And those ratings are offense, defense, and rebounds. Are you telling me that they gave kobe, lebron, and wade a 99 on offense and defense? If so that's wayyyyyyyyyy too high. Or did they give these players 99 ratings on certain attributes? And if its the latter, then isn't magic a 99 on passing and offensive awarness?

No, watch the video, they gave them a 99 on the offense+defense overall ratings, which is why I find these ratings over-lenient.

[Duncan21formvp]

Agreed. Chris Paul barley played last year and got a 95 rating. Magic on the other hand finished 2nd in the MVP voting, led his team to the Finals, & was the 2nd best player in the league behind MJ & only gets a 92 rating??? Magic should atleast be 97.
:rockon: :rockon:

Also Malone in 1997 and 1998 should be at least a 95-97

[97 bulls]

No, watch the video, they gave them a 99 on the offense+defense overall ratings, which is why I find these ratings over-lenient.
Then you right, they really overrated these guys. Gonna be a ***** trying to argue with my 13 yr old son tht the ratings should be lower. And that magics should be higher. But I agree with 87 lakers.magic should be around a 96 or 97.

[97 bulls]

:rockon: :rockon:

Also Malone in 1997 and 1998 should be at least a 95-97
What's malones rating for the 97 utah jazz?

[Duncan21formvp]

What's malones rating for the 97 utah jazz?
90 for 97 and 98 both years.

[97 bulls]

90 for 97 and 98 both years.wow what an insult

[1987_Lakers]

'86 Celtics vs '96 Bulls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUF8j5qsYmk

[LA_Showtime]

Not surprising. These games are always disappointing.

[rairjordan]

Listen, I know the 2nd three-peat Bulls better than any paid expert, seeing as I have all 82 games on VHS and have watched each game at least 3 times, they MAJORLY ****ed up the ratings. Relative to all other ratings, Kukuc and Rodman's ratings are too low. Kukoc should be high 70s at LEAST, if not low 80s. And Rodman being anything UNDER 85 is a ****king joke.

Hey solid snake, please contact me: rairjordan@gmail.com

I would love to work out a trade with you for some of your VHS tapes of MJ. I have over 950 games of Jordan on DVD and some on VHS, look forward to hearing from you soon...