Kids are more talented today then any period in history.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

It is the truth. Too many times I here on the news about low test scores, public school systems failing and being a joke. Weak eras in sports, crime rate being the highest between kids 15-18 years old. Silly clothing attire, The world catching up to us. .

That's simply not the case it just isn't. Kids today overall are smarter than they have ever been, more independent, obedient, accepting of others/open minding, more athletic, and just simply more talented in every aspect you can think of especially when I compare it to when I grew up in the 80's.

This thread is for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4Q324RTDM 7 and 9 years old. Simply Talented just talented. :applause:

[EarlTheGoat]

Sure, but still:


Jordan >>>>>> OJ Mayo

[LilKateMoss]

Sure, but still:


Jordan >>>>>> OJ Mayo

Isn't it 6 am in Madrid? God, you're pathetic beyond belief. You have serious issues.

[bdreason]

People are dumber than ever before. Our society promotes making money, not obtaining knowledge. Education is treated like a trade school, where people are forced down a specific path in order to secure financial security. People no longer care about subjects like Math, History, Language (Latin), or Philosophy (unless it's to do a specific job). The basic understanding of the world, and peoples perspective of the world is tragically flawed.



Why actually learn anything when you can just google it?



Sometimes I ask random friends and family basic mathematical questions just to fukc with them, and most of the time I'm met with a blank stare (probably wondering where the calculator is). :oldlol:


I'm no math wiz myself, but the degree to which people rely on technology for their knowledge is disturbing.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

People are dumber than ever before. Our society promotes making money, not obtaining knowledge. Education is treated like a trade school, where people are forced down a specific path in order to secure financial security. People no longer care about subjects like Math, History, Language (Latin), or Philosophy (unless it's to do a specific job). The basic understanding of the world, and peoples perspective of the world is tragically flawed.



Why actually learn anything when you can just google it?



Sometimes I ask random friends and family basic mathematical questions just to fukc with them, and most of the time I'm met with a blank stare (probably wondering where the calculator is). :oldlol:


I'm no math wiz myself, but the degree to which people rely on technology for their knowledge is disturbing.

Yeah that's why kids are learning String Theories, Quatum Mechanics, The Theory of Everything E=MC squared at Grade 4 and it took genius to figure it out back in the day.

Plus basic mental math is overrated, I have a cell phone with a calculator on it. I never went to college and I turned out just fine.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

kid, you're not 30. stop.
31 and I am still going strong.

[branslowski]

It is the truth. Too many times I here on the news about low test scores, public school systems failing and being a joke. Weak eras in sports, crime rate being the highest between kids 15-18 years old. Silly clothing attire, The world catching up to us. .

That's simply not the case it just isn't. Kids today overall are smarter than they have ever been, more independent, obedient, accepting of others/open minding, more athletic, and just simply more talented in every aspect you can think of especially when I compare it to when I grew up in the 80's.

This thread is for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4Q324RTDM 7 and 9 years old. Simply Talented just talented. :applause:

Wow, your older than 15?....You always came off to me as some 15yr old obsessed OJ Mayo Fanboy...

[DaniloGallinari]

Maybe it's because those people in history solved those hard problems that kids today can learn. You think it's easy to solve those types of formulas? You've never gone past the high school math have you?

[DatDudeD]

yeah todays society is very technology driven, the school push numbers not knowledge. I would agree and say the kids seem to be a lot more aware of whats going on in todays world at a younger age... case in point my 6 year old son was watching tv the other day and saw a commercial where this girl or guy kissed each other.... he said in these exact words " dad are they gonna go lay down and have babies now"....:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: . They are have so much more access to things than we did when we were there age.

[PowerGlove]

Yeah that's why kids are learning String Theories, Quatum Mechanics, The Theory of Everything E=MC squared at Grade 4 and it took genius to figure it out back in the day.

Plus basic mental math is overrated, I have a cell phone with a calculator on it. I never went to college and I turned out just fine.
:facepalm

[branslowski]

Reading the comments in the thread....We can all basically agree that kids today have far more Street smarts/ society smarts than Kids of past generation...While also having less book knowledge.

[Rizko]

Yeah that's why kids are learning String Theories, Quatum Mechanics, The Theory of Everything E=MC squared at Grade 4 and it took genius to figure it out back in the day.

Plus basic mental math is overrated, I have a cell phone with a calculator on it. I never went to college and I turned out just fine.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No 4th grader is learning that in any real depth.

Even if your able to find an example of a FEW who are learning "String Theories, Quatum Mechanics, The Theory of Everything E=MC", those are just statistical outliers, not that norm like your trying to imply.

People now-a-days have a lot of knowledge, but no depth to their knowledge (I'm susceptible to this as well) instead of really knowing a lot on one thing they just know a small amount on a lot of things.

It's obvious you never went to college, I doubt your even 18 years old.

[DaniloGallinari]

Reading the comments in the thread....We can all basically agree that kids today have far more Street smarts/ society smarts than Kids of past generation...While also having less book knowledge.
I don't even know about that. Before the 1900s? If you're an orphan you basically grow up on the streets and try to get whatever you can. Nobody gave a ****.

If street smarts is not getting hustled by a 15 year old boy selling chocolates to "increase funds for his football team", then we lose in that category as well.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Wow, your older than 15?....You always came off to me as some 15yr old obsessed OJ Mayo Fanboy...

There is no age limit into being a fan. I am a fan of Mayo, Wall, Curry and few other players and it really ends there.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

yeah todays society is very technology driven, the school push numbers not knowledge. I would agree and say the kids seem to be a lot more aware of whats going on in todays world at a younger age... case in point my 6 year old son was watching tv the other day and saw a commercial where this girl or guy kissed each other.... he said in these exact words " dad are they gonna go lay down and have babies now"....:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: . They are have so much more access to things than we did when we were there age.

:lol

[branslowski]

I don't even know about that. Before the 1900s? If you're an orphan you basically grow up on the streets and try to get whatever you can. Nobody gave a ****.

If street smarts is not getting hustled by a 15 year old boy selling chocolates to "increase funds for his football team", then we lose in that category as well.

I see what your saying....But as one of the posters in this thread stated, the kids of today have way more at their hands to learn...Internet really helps with that...It's like their more advanced than kids back in the day...And really, it's probably for the worst...Because it seems that the area where the kids are gaining more knowledge is in sex....IDK, I took my little cousin to a b-day party, mind you, he's 6yrs old...I approach the house of the b-day kid...And all the kids (none were no older than 8)are f*cking bumping and grinding on eachother...Im like "WTF?"....I doubt kids in 1970-80 were doing this...(Not saying none, but in general)

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Maybe it's because those people in history solved those hard problems that kids today can learn. You think it's easy to solve those types of formulas? You've never gone past the high school math have you?

I believe Pre-Calculus or Algebra II is the highest my math education was during my prime. It has been awhile, I graduated high school if that counts for anything. I understand it is much harder to solve a problem the first time if you don't know what an equation is. I do realize that.

[Rizko]

I see what your saying....But as one of the posters in this thread stated, the kids of today have way more at their hands to learn...Internet really helps with that...It's like their more advanced than kids back in the day...And really, it's probably for the worst...Because it seems that the area where the kids are gaining more knowledge is in sex....IDK, I took my little cousin to a b-day party, mind you, he's 6yrs old...I approach the house of the b-day kid...And all the kids (none were no older than 8)are f*cking bumping and grinding on eachother...Im like "WTF?"....I doubt kids in 1970-80 were doing this...(Not saying none, but in general)
Your cousin got laid later that day. :lol

Thats more of a culture thing then a street smarts. Sex is just become more accepted as a part of mainstream culture. I agree with you that it's probably for the worse though, kinda ruins the innocence of being a kid.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No 4th grader is learning that in any real depth.

Even if your able to find an example of a FEW who are learning "String Theories, Quatum Mechanics, The Theory of Everything E=MC", those are just statistical outliers, not that norm like your trying to imply.

People now-a-days have a lot of knowledge, but no depth to their knowledge (I'm susceptible to this as well) instead of really knowing a lot on one thing they just know a small amount on a lot of things.

It's obvious you never went to college, I doubt your even 18 years old.

I never went to college, but I'm a grown man in my 30's. The fact they are learning about it at that young age says a lot. It is good to be versatile and a very broad knownledge base. Makes you more employable in the real world.

[Rizko]

I never went to college, but I'm a grown man in my 30's. The fact they are learning about it at that young age says a lot. It is good to be versatile and a very broad knownledge base. Makes you more employable in the real world.
Like I said before, only a very small subset (if any, because I kinda doubt that any are learning anything that advanced) are learning that stuff.

I'm saying people have a little bit of knowledge about a lot of things, instead of know a lot about a smaller selection of things, neither is "better" really, but it's always easier to gain shallow about a bunch topics quickly then it is to gain true depth of knowledge about 1 topic.

[boozehound]

Yeah that's why kids are learning String Theories, Quatum Mechanics, The Theory of Everything E=MC squared at Grade 4 and it took genius to figure it out back in the day.

Plus basic mental math is overrated, I have a cell phone with a calculator on it. I never went to college and I turned out just fine.
did you?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Like I said before, only a very small subset (if any, because I kinda doubt that any are learning anything that advanced) are learning that stuff.

I'm saying people have a little bit of knowledge about a lot of things, instead of know a lot about a smaller selection of things, neither is "better" really, but it's always easier to gain shallow about a bunch topics quickly then it is to gain true depth of knowledge about 1 topic.

AGreed. I volunteer at a Chilrn's hospital, chill with College students, tutor my little high school siblings' friends, and interact with a lottaadults [point is I have a decent frame of reference].. and this is usually hte case. Globalization and internet has made people very versatile, but not quite specailists in most cases.. LIke ten years back I could make a reference about an old movie, or something about my religion, or a certain singer.. onl yto be received by blankstares. But nowadays people can hang with u for a lil on just about anything. Small talk is goin' well.

As for actual knowledge.. there is something about America being ranked like in the mid-30s in Science and Math.. and most nations have a rigorous curriculum in those regards. But with hopeful, ambitious scholar-leader-gangstas like Hawker, leading the nation, I don't give a sh!t about the mediocre, lazy, puccified average joe. We still run dis sheyat.

[bdreason]

Higher education should be about teaching people how to think, not just how to memorize information to perform a specific task. I enjoyed my time in College, and I certainly gained some broad and applicable knowledge while there... but I can't help but look back at the process and shake my head. The entire education system, from K-8 to Graduate school, needs restructuring.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

did you?

no, but that doesn't say much. I never went to college, didn't value my education when I was younger and was the kid that just did enough to pass and to top it all off grew up in a very poor public school system where the graduation rate was low and the teachers honestly didn't give a damn about us.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

AGreed. I volunteer at a Chilrn's hospital, chill with College students, tutor my little high school siblings' friends, and interact with a lottaadults [point is I have a decent frame of reference].. and this is usually hte case. Globalization and internet has made people very versatile, but not quite specailists in most cases.. LIke ten years back I could make a reference about an old movie, or something about my religion, or a certain singer.. onl yto be received by blankstares. But nowadays people can hang with u for a lil on just about anything. Small talk is goin' well.

As for actual knowledge.. there is something about America being ranked like in the mid-30s in Science and Math.. and most nations have a rigorous curriculum in those regards. But with hopeful, ambitious scholar-leader-gangstas like Hawker, leading the nation, I don't give a sh!t about the mediocre, lazy, puccified average joe. We still run dis sheyat.

Our very best though will always be better than everybody else's best at everything. China needs a Billion people, while having slave children work 24/7 in their concentration athletics camp while breeding the strongest of people just to compete with us in the Olympics and they still can't beat us or come close in any of the real sporting events.

Quality not Quantity.

[DaniloGallinari]

Higher education should be about teaching people how to think, not just how to memorize information to perform a specific task. I enjoyed my time in College, and I certainly gained some broad and applicable knowledge while there... but I can't help but look back at the process and shake my head. The entire education system, from K-8 to Graduate school, needs restructuring.

Welcome to the world. Wasn't the case before, but now education is simply a tool to be used.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Higher education should be about teaching people how to think, not just how to memorize information to perform a specific task. I enjoyed my time in College, and I certainly gained some broad and applicable knowledge while there... but I can't help but look back at the process and shake my head. The entire education system, from K-8 to Graduate school, needs restructuring.

I have heard a lot of people say that exact same thing about college. College is something I never regretted not going, it really isn't. I turned out alright have a decent job, and a long time girlfriend and get to spend half the time I am at work on the internet doing leisurely things.

[Rizko]

AGreed. I volunteer at a Chilrn's hospital, chill with College students, tutor my little high school siblings' friends, and interact with a lottaadults [point is I have a decent frame of reference].. and this is usually hte case. Globalization and internet has made people very versatile, but not quite specailists in most cases.. LIke ten years back I could make a reference about an old movie, or something about my religion, or a certain singer.. onl yto be received by blankstares. But nowadays people can hang with u for a lil on just about anything. Small talk is goin' well.

As for actual knowledge.. there is something about America being ranked like in the mid-30s in Science and Math.. and most nations have a rigorous curriculum in those regards. But with hopeful, ambitious scholar-leader-gangstas like Hawker, leading the nation, I don't give a sh!t about the mediocre, lazy, puccified average joe. We still run dis sheyat.
Yea America still has a large number of people who rise to the top so we should always be in relatively good shape, but with sheer amount of knowledge we have at our hands we should strive to have both breadth and depth when it comes to knowledge.


Higher education should be about teaching people how to think, not just how to memorize information to perform a specific task. I enjoyed my time in College, and I certainly gained some broad and applicable knowledge while there... but I can't help but look back at the process and shake my head. The entire education system, from K-8 to Graduate school, needs restructuring.
I completely agree with this. Education teaches you to regurgitate facts, not to think critically. A lot of my friends think I'm smart just because I can actually think deeply about a topic instead of reciting simple facts.

I feel education is just preparing people to become desk jockeys where they do some simple, menial task that takes little thinking, almost becoming computers in a way really. Kinda like simple division of labor that happened in the late 19th early 20th century in factories.

[GatorKid117]

Idiocracy....

That is what the world is going to come to lol.

As for the education system, here in Florida we take the FCAT. I believe we take it every year from 3rd until 11th grade. My mom works at an elementary school and I have volunteered a lot at some schools as well and the vast majority of the teachers tell me they cannot teach the way they want to; they have to teach the kids to take the test. That is pretty much what the kids learn to do and it is extremely sad.

When I went to elementary school, I remember being involved in a lot of projects, plays and other interesting stuff throughout my time. Now a days, they do none of that, just strictly book work. Heck, I know that certain schools/districts are trying to get recess taken away. Again, its extremely sad that our kids are learning how to take a test than all the other interesting things in the world.

[Ass Dan]

It is the truth. Too many times I here on the news about low test scores, public school systems failing and being a joke. Weak eras in sports, crime rate being the highest between kids 15-18 years old. Silly clothing attire, The world catching up to us. .

That's simply not the case it just isn't. Kids today overall are smarter than they have ever been, more independent, obedient, accepting of others/open minding, more athletic, and just simply more talented in every aspect you can think of especially when I compare it to when I grew up in the 80's.

This thread is for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4Q324RTDM 7 and 9 years old. Simply Talented just talented. :applause:


It is all relevant. 100 years ago 14 year olds were raising families. Different times require different skill sets.

[Go Getter]

They can do more bullshit but are lazier, less focused, fatter, and way more spoiled.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Idiocracy....

That is what the world is going to come to lol.

As for the education system, here in Florida we take the FCAT. I believe we take it every year from 3rd until 11th grade. My mom works at an elementary school and I have volunteered a lot at some schools as well and the vast majority of the teachers tell me they cannot teach the way they want to; they have to teach the kids to take the test. That is pretty much what the kids learn to do and it is extremely sad.

When I went to elementary school, I remember being involved in a lot of projects, plays and other interesting stuff throughout my time. Now a days, they do none of that, just strictly book work. Heck, I know that certain schools/districts are trying to get recess taken away. Again, its extremely sad that our kids are learning how to take a test than all the other interesting things in the world.

No Child Left Behind says hi.

http://escapistfairy.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/nearly20220million20scores20uncounted20under20no20 child20laws20loophole.jpg

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

They can do more bullshit but are lazier, less focused, fatter, and way more spoiled.

Why do we as society looked down upon quote on quote spoiled kids. There is nothing wrong with spoiled kids that shows somewhere a long the line someone worked hard for the kids to get spoiled. Hell, I rather kids be spoiled with their iphones then not being allowed to drink in the same water fountain as a white man.

[DeuceWallaces]

I disagree; and there aren't many facts to back up your claim.

[falc39]

no way. if anything, the recession is exposing the younger generation that they aren't prepared to really buckle down and take a stand. I mean, the average college student graduates and comes out with so much debt and without a job. Usually will have to take a job they are over-qualified for and completely different than what they majored in. Then spend all their free time and money (if they have any) on alcohol/partying and going to sports games. Sure, maybe more talented because of technology and information available... But what is talent without work ethic and mental toughness? The avg kid in a third world country has more work ethic and drive then the avg kid here. That is why the USA will eventually fall behind to emerging nations.

[rawimpact]

no way. if anything, the recession is exposing the younger generation that they aren't prepared to really buckle down and take a stand. I mean, the average college student graduates and comes out with so much debt and without a job. Usually will have to take a job they are over-qualified for and completely different than what they majored in. Then spend all their free time and money (if they have any) on alcohol/partying and going to sports games. Sure, maybe more talented because of technology and information available... But what is talent without work ethic and mental toughness? The avg kid in a third world country has more work ethic and drive then the avg kid here. That is why the USA will eventually fall behind to emerging nations.

a bit far fetched no?

[GatorKid117]

No Child Left Behind says hi.



Yep, and it sucks. The education system in Florida is extremely flawed in my opinion.

Here's a quote from Wiki:


"Teaching to the test" often results in teachers staying away from unique styles of teaching, but instead requires them to follow a more conventional method in order to prepare the students for the standardized yearly tests. This abandonment of creativity in the classroom leaves teachers with a feeling of disdain as they are no longer given ample opportunity to help students learn in their own ways. Critics of the bill state that students also suffer from the lack of inventive ways of learning, and the strain of learning standardized testing practices can have a lasting affect on the child's capabilities and motivation. Standardized testing also can change the way students learn, causing them to avoid thinking deeply into an issue and only focusing on the material that will be tested.

Pretty much explains my stance to the T. That is one of my major beefs with our education system.

[hateraid]

I think because of the technological world we live in kids are more intellegent in specific categories rather than variety.
Take if a kid likes music, because of how easy it is to access all genres a kid will know more about music than most of us at their age. Yet when it comes to academics, I believe the older generation would do better on that grade's ciriculum if they were tested head to head.
I think in general we live in a short term result society that we take it for granted and rely on how easy it is to access information.

[falc39]

a bit far fetched no?

i dont think so. it's what i witness first-hand with a lot of people I know (I just graduated from college). i even left out all the people who are unemployed and are now living with their parents.

[rawimpact]

False, it just easier for people to share their talents.

[BallsOut]

Please. This is a weak era for kids. As it is for music and many other things.

[Go Getter]

Why do we as society looked down upon quote on quote spoiled kids. There is nothing wrong with spoiled kids that shows somewhere a long the line someone worked hard for the kids to get spoiled. Hell, I rather kids be spoiled with their iphones then not being allowed to drink in the same water fountain as a white man.


I'd rather them have a good work ethic, well rounded education, respect for self and elders, and a healthy lifestyle.

You can't argue that kisd are getting healthier and more motivated.

Technology/TV/pop culture is helping kids become lazier and more apathetic.

[Saintsfan1992]

Most of u don't know what the hell your talking about.
I love how u seem to think we are getting dumber and if
We are I blame 75 percent on the older generations and 25
On us. I mean it's not my generations fault we are in debt
We instilled racism in our children. We vote vote for dumb ass
Presidents that send us to war. we are behind everyone else in
The education department. Don't worry u guys did some good
I mean my generation will shit on your's and so will my sons or daughters
Shit on mine and how dare a ****er say we spend our money
On alcohol and drugs ate u ****in crazy some us have bills
To pay cloths and video games,school books , shoes even gifts
For others. And by the way you don't know every teenager in you're own
State let alone your city so all of you please shut the he'll up
And remember who has to take car of u one day

[Saintsfan1992]

I'd rather them have a good work ethic, well rounded education, respect for self and elders, and a healthy lifestyle.

You can't argue that kisd are getting healthier and more motivated.

Technology/TV/pop culture is helping kids become lazier and more apathetic.

Umm no most of my friends are not fat I'm probably more atheltic than you
Ever was and you're son we ever be

Oh yea let's blamE tv and video games let's not blame the parents
I mean who really controls the house

[LA_Showtime]

Eh, maybe. But I question those who say our generation sucks. We were raised by your generation, so if you think about it... it's your own ****ing fault.

[Go Getter]

Actually I do know more about our youth than the average Joe.

Family structure is messed up because young men aren't taking care of their responsibility as fathers and husbands. Education is suffering. Our youth has a hard time distinguishing need from want. They seem more delusional and caught up on material things than in year's past.

The good news is that kids getting more violent is a myth and the youth seem to be more accepting of other races and cultures.

[Saintsfan1992]

They might not know what they're talking about, but at least they can type correctly on this forum.

Using touch sorry kinda hard getting used to.
And can you rebuttal any of that?????

Nice Jesus by the way I always pictured him as
A more heavy machine gun type guy.

[boozehound]

I'm no most of my friends are fat I'm probably more atheltic than you
Ever was and you're son we ever be

Oh yea let's blamE tv and video games let's not blame the parents
I mean who really controls the house
no offense, but your posts make you look ridiculous. you type and spell so badly that it seems intentional to lampoon yourself.

[Go Getter]

I'm no most of my friends are fat I'm probably more atheltic than you
Ever was and you're son we ever be

Oh yea let's blamE tv and video games let's not blame the parents
I mean who really controls the house

Yeah I run/walk to work everyday, played HS varsity sports, got an athletic scholarship to a small college, went to the military, and lift weights a little....don't speak on what you don't know about son.

There are far more kids in their rooms playing video games now than in years past and that is a fact. Not the parent's fault that hordes of teens to young adults like Starcraft more than execise and sexual relations.

[boozehound]

Most of u don't know what the hell your talking about.
I love how u seem to think we are getting dumber and if
We are I blame 75 percent on the older generations and 25
On us. I mean it's not my generations fault we are in debt
We instilled racism in our children. We vote vote for dumb ass
Presidents that send us to war. we are behind everyone else in
The education department. Don't worry u guys did some good
I mean my generation will shit on your's and so will my sons or daughters
Shit on mine and how dare a ****er say we spend our money
On alcohol and drugs ate u ****in crazy some us have bills
To pay cloths and video games,school books , shoes even gifts
For others. And by the way you don't know every teenager in you're own
State let alone your city so all of you please shut the he'll up
And remember who has to take car of u one day
what does any of this have to do with the OP? The OP is talking out of his ass (and if anything, the reverse of the actual trend). No need to get all riled up.

[Saintsfan1992]

no offense, but your posts make you look ridiculous. you type and spell so badly that it seems intentional to lampoon yourself.

I am on a itouch sorry about that
Like seriously.

[Saintsfan1992]

Yeah I run/walk to work everyday, played HS varsity sports, got an athletic scholarship to a small college, went to the military, and lift weights a little....don't speak on what you don't know about son.

There are far more kids in their rooms playing video games now than in years past and that is a fact. Not the parent's fault that hordes of teens to young adults like Starcraft more than execise and sexual relations.

If u had half of the video games u would go bat shit crazy also what year were u in highschool if you don't mind me asking??

[boozehound]

I am on a itouch sorry about that
Like seriously.
alright. regardless, the trends suggest (and I see) that the last decade+ has seen a significant uptick in time spent recreationally (not constructively) on comps, tv, video games, texting, etc and a decline in hours spent in productive (and I dont mean wage slavery) development. Sure, plenty of young people are very smart, capable and talented people (prob the same % as always), but the trends of time wasting, lethargy, and decreased commitment to schooling are incontrovertible.

[DeuceWallaces]

Yeah I run/walk to work everyday, played HS varsity sports, got an athletic scholarship to a small college, went to the military, and lift weights a little....don't speak on what you don't know about son.

There are far more kids in their rooms playing video games now than in years past and that is a fact. Not the parent's fault that hordes of teens to young adults like Starcraft more than execise and sexual relations.

No, that's not a fact. Just as many kids have been locked in their rooms playing games the past 25 years.

[falc39]

Well your poll isn't exactly accurate for all students. I know plenty that have moved onto engineering firms, this doesn't mean i should generalize based on students from one school.

I was going by the avg student, that's why I was careful and used the word average a couple times in my post. is your typical student an engineering major? I actually knew a bunch of engineering majors and i would say only about 25% of them were able to get a full-time job after graduating. My poll isn't the poll to end all polls, but I'm not lying either because this is what I am seeing with my own eyes and it's the truth to me until I see differently.

I actually hope that you are right because it is sad what I see as I am part of this younger generation too.

[Go Getter]

No, that's not a fact. Just as many kids have been locked in their rooms playing games the past 25 years.
This generation plays with more electronics than previous generations.

This generation of kids is not as physically fit than others.

I don't have any evidence to back this up, do you have any to the contrary that would change my mind?

[Saintsfan1992]

No, that's not a fact. Just as many kids have been locked in their rooms playing games the past 25 years.

Not by a long shot

Our games and nerds shits on your games of 25 years ago
****in madden 2000 >>>>> most of your games

[Saintsfan1992]

This generation plays with more electronics than previous generations.

This generation of kids is not as physically fit than others.

I don't have any facts to back this up, do you have any to the contrary that would change my mind?

What are u talking about I personally think we are more
Physically fit but I tell u what in pe i look like a ****in god
Playing any sport it's like they don't have the concepts of a game.
Especially the Asian kids they are jus :facepalm:

[Go Getter]

What are u talking about I personally think we are more
Physically fit but I tell u what in pe i look like a ****in god
Playing any sport it's like they don't have the concepts of a game.
Especially the Asian kids they are jus :facepalm:


From what I've heard Americans are getting fatter and fatter....Not saying that all kids are fat but you get my point.

[Saintsfan1992]

That's a matter of opinion and he's right. Games in the past were just as big of a factor as they are now.

Are u sure cause i think sells say different you have to take
Into account YouTube commercials more people able to afford it.
Can u post a single game that was made 25 years ago that
Sold 2 million plus world wide? While your at it what games 25 years. Ago
Surpassed gta madden halo cod metal gear spacecraft
Wow etc in25 years I'll wait .

[DeuceWallaces]

Not by a long shot

Our games and nerds shits on your games of 25 years ago
****in madden 2000 >>>>> most of your games

THat has nothing to do with it.

[boozehound]

That's a matter of opinion and he's right. Games in the past were just as big of a factor as they are now.
you and duece are nuts. SO, there were 30 yr old men totally dedicated to hours of video gaming every day in the 70s and 80s? video games are more used today than ever (across the age brackets). Now, again, this trend isnt just about the teens today, its about the teens a decade ago or even when my old ass was a teen. you could see the positive trend then compared with earlier gens and it has continued.


Regardless, if you are going to argue that a time when atari was the only video consule manufacturer and half the games from comps (very rare to begin with) were on digital tape is comparable to today, you are neglecting all the personal device time these kids log. THere was a recent study by a bunch of brain chemists and neuro guys about the impact of the connectedness/involvement of this (not the radiation but the actual acts of PDing) on brain development and use. Pretty interesting

[DeuceWallaces]

Talking about kids not 30 yr olds. Obviously there are more adults playing games than 25 years ago.

[boozehound]

It's just going to get worse, can you really blame us entirely? I mean back in the day things were more labot-intensive. Now we have robots vacuuming our rooms and recharging themselves throughout the day... What i'm getting at is we Americans have a higher standard of living. A lot of our money goes towards improving our daily life. And that includes taking advantages of technological advances such as the roomba and automatic rain gutter cleaners. Citizens of other nations can't either afford it or products like these are not available to them.
or they recognize how worthless all that shit is and dont buy in to the culture of needless consumption.

[Saintsfan1992]

From what I've heard Americans are getting fatter and fatter....Not saying that all kids are fat but you get my point.

Keyword: heard
Come and find out for your self

[boozehound]

Talking about kids not 30 yr olds. Obviously there are more adults playing games than 25 years ago.
and kids spend way more time playing video games than the average kid did int he 80s and 90s as well.

[Go Getter]

Keyword: heard
Come and find out for your self


I never said I was 100% sure, maybe I will look it up if I feel motivated, but you aren't posting any concrete evidence to the contrary either so what can you say?

[Go Getter]

Booze, i'm not going to argue with you because you come from that generation. But my reasoning is whether it is a game system or a game board both at its time was suffice at what it did. What's the average time it takes to finnish a game of monopoly?


Not only that but in year's past parent's didn't hover over their kids and worry about them playing outside, kids walked and organized play sessions without having their parents do it, there were less electronic devices to take away a kids time, and more women stayed at home so there was more cooking and less eating out.

[DaniloGallinari]

Kids are more talented... (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4907561#post4907561) 10-03-2010 02:31 AM negged for being a douche

Apparently someone is saddened over my posts? :roll:Who are you please? That way I can laugh at your virtual face.

[Saintsfan1992]

I never said I was 100% sure, maybe I will look it up if I feel motivated, but you aren't posting any concrete evidence to the contrary either so what can you say?

I live in America so I may know a little more ????

[Go Getter]

Keyword: heard
Come and find out for your self


I worked in the juvenile justice system for a few years.

One myth is that kids are more violent--they aren't....the crimes are more henious, but the kids are less violent as a whole.

[DeuceWallaces]

We played games all the time in the 80s and so did everyone else I knew. Nintendo sold 65 million 8 bit systems. It wasn't until the Wii that one of their other systems surpassed that number.

[falc39]

It's just going to get worse, can you really blame us entirely? I mean back in the day things were more labot-intensive. Now we have robots vacuuming our rooms and recharging themselves throughout the day... What i'm getting at is we Americans have a higher standard of living. A lot of our money goes towards improving our daily life. And that includes taking advantages of technological advances such as the roomba and automatic rain gutter cleaners. Citizens of other nations can't either afford it or products like these are not available to them.

Comfort breeds complacency. You can always blame the people before you for your problems, or you can take responsibility and tackle them head on. It's that mental edge that I don't see in my generation. That willingness to fight and get us out of problems. I instead get the vibe that we rather blame others for our misfortune and try to maintain the fantasy world that everything is all right and fun.

[Saintsfan1992]

I worked in the juvenile justice system for a few years.

One myth is that kids are more violent--they aren't....the crimes are more henious, but the kids are less violent as a whole.

Umm ok ummm 80s 90s violence >>>>>>>>> violence today
That's when the drugs were coming in but that's another topic

[Go Getter]

We played games all the time in the 80s and so did everyone else I knew. Nintendo sold 65 million 8 bit systems. It wasn't until the Wii that one of their other systems surpassed that number.


Look at how many console games where sold [in 2010] not just Nintendo's and combine that with the number of PC's built and sold for gaming [and PSPs, DS's, etc] then compare that to the 80's.

[falc39]

Excuse me? I am a MD/PhD student, i think you've gotten the wrong vibe...

Dude I'm not even talking about you, I'm talking about the majority of people I know. No reason for you to get offended.

[Saintsfan1992]

We played games all the time in the 80s and so did everyone else I knew. Nintendo sold 65 million 8 bit systems. It wasn't until the Wii that one of their other systems surpassed that number.

I said video games not consoles well having little to no one else to rival
I mean we now have xbox ps3 wii computers etc

[DeuceWallaces]

Look at how many console games where sold [in 2010] not just Nintendo's and combine that with the number of PC's built and sold for gaming [and PSPs, DS's, etc] then compare that to the 80's.

That is a ludicrous analogy. Check the all time console sales. Consider population differences and there is not a significant difference between now and 20 years ago. Just as many people had Atari 2600s as PS3s.

[boozehound]

Booze, i'm not going to argue with you because you come from that generation. But my reasoning is whether it is a game system or a game board both at its time was suffice at what it did. What's the average time it takes to finnish a game of monopoly?

Now i didn't live much in the 80s but the 90s was my prime. I wouldn't say i wasted too much time on video games but rather pogs/marbles/cards. What i'm saying is yes video games have improved technologically but that doesn't matter. As a kid you made due with what you had... and nickle nickle/chucky cheese were big then. Now they're all just about closed.
sure, there is some merit in that all cultures have leisure time and games of some sort. Shit, Axis and Allies will take you a week if you have good players. I waste my time playing guitar.

and I dont necessarily think that the tech adcances is the difference. its the availability. Just look at the number of PCs and Macs in 1989-90 right before the boom.

I agree with duece that the NES changed all that and was the first real major increase in personal gaming systems. then came the handheld gaming devices and now smart phones and shit.

Hell, they make baby laptops now. There is no denying VG are way more available and, by extension, used than ever before.

and, going back to your point about leisure time, I would argue that it has increased significantly, which isnt always a bad thing. nonetheless, the entire pop (including kids) is fatter, less active, read less, do less crafts decorative and mechanical, and are less engaged in both their community (because they spend more time on a comp, either gaming or not) and their local environment.

[boozehound]

then compare boardgames sold vs now, then consider the changes in population and economy since it effects how families spend their money. I'll tell you right now that you wont notice much of a difference.
you are nuts. and here is just one reason why. would you play a board game with yourself? no, but you'll play lots of video games by yourself (or online).

[Rizko]

I just want to say board/card games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video games, especially when you add in alcohol with card games.

[DaniloGallinari]

good point
Good reptalk. I'll return the favor when I can rep again.

[Go Getter]

Umm ok ummm 80s 90s violence >>>>>>>>> violence today
That's when the drugs were coming in but that's another topic


Did you even read what I said? I said that the youth are LESS violent....it is a myth that the youth are getting more violent.

You aren't helping your cause with your reading comprehension.

[Go Getter]

That is a ludicrous analogy. Check the all time console sales. Consider population differences and there is not a significant difference between now and 20 years ago. Just as many people had Atari 2600s as PS3s.


Why is it ludicrous?

I would venture to say that if you took into account population growth that a way higher percentage of youth participate in video games now than in the 80's.

If you have evidence to prove me wrong I'd love to see it but intil then I stand by my statement.

[DeuceWallaces]

Evidence? Last time I checked I was the only one providing anything remotely resembling facts.

You're just talking.

[Go Getter]

Evidence? Last time I checked I was the only one providing anything remotely resembling facts.

You're just talking.


I asked you to provide evidence and you haven't. Where are your facts? I must have missed them.

You said just as many people owned Atari's as do PS3's now but didn't offer any proof to back it up.

YOu said there were 65 million nintendo's sold but didn't cite any sources.

[Noob Saibot]

Soooo....how often does each of us spend time on the computer compared to doing outside work. I know I don't spend much time outside (mainly cuz i'm in school doing work), but I do exercise, so i stay slim. Sometimes I don't need to go outside for that either.

this is the main difference between our generation and older generations. Outdoor Activity.

[Saintsfan1992]

Did you even read what I said? I said that the youth are LESS violent....it is a myth that the youth are getting more violent.

You aren't helping your cause with your reading comprehension.

I was agreeing with u and also went off topic we were talking about
Fat people then u went off to violence

I was saying 80s and 90s violence among youth were worse but hey

[boozehound]

I was agreeing with u and also went off topic we were talking about
Fat people then u went off to violence

I was saying 80s and 90s violence among youth were worse but hey
thats cause you guys are ******* and scared

[vapid]

I just want to say board/card games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video games, especially when you add in alcohol with card games.
False. For instance, Civilization is like Risk+Settlers of Catan+Axis and Allies magnified to the one millionth degree in intricacy, giving you a much wider variety and more complex experience with very similar gameplay mechanics.

[Saintsfan1992]

thats cause you guys are ******* and scared

Or maybe we are smarter and have better shit to do with our time
You rather us kill each other than go shopping play video games
Fk girls or even smoke weed I hope you're kidding.

[DeuceWallaces]

I asked you to provide evidence and you haven't. Where are your facts? I must have missed them.

You said just as many people owned Atari's as do PS3's now but didn't offer any proof to back it up.

YOu said there were 65 million nintendo's sold but didn't cite any sources.

This isn't a research paper. Heard of Google? You should try it. First or second links will give you your citations.

[Rizko]

False. For instance, Civilization is like Risk+Settlers of Catan+Axis and Allies magnified to the one millionth degree in intricacy, giving you a much wider variety and more complex experience with very similar gameplay mechanics.
I'm talking about subjective fun. It's just my personal preference. I just like the board/card fare expirence better.

[vapid]

I'm talking about subjective fun. It's just my personal preference. I just like the board/card fare expirence better.
Well thats something you should probably clarify in your original post then.

[Go Getter]

This isn't a research paper. Heard of Google? You should try it. First or second links will give you your citations.
Exactly. You don't have any evidence so it's your impression vs. mine at this point basically.

Way to explain how to use google...I really needed that.

[the]

People are dumber than ever before. Our society promotes making money, not obtaining knowledge. Education is treated like a trade school, where people are forced down a specific path in order to secure financial security. People no longer care about subjects like Math, History, Language (Latin), or Philosophy (unless it's to do a specific job). The basic understanding of the world, and peoples perspective of the world is tragically flawed.



Why actually learn anything when you can just google it?



Sometimes I ask random friends and family basic mathematical questions just to fukc with them, and most of the time I'm met with a blank stare (probably wondering where the calculator is). :oldlol:


I'm no math wiz myself, but the degree to which people rely on technology for their knowledge is disturbing.

I agree.

[boozehound]

Exactly. You don't have any evidence so it's your impression vs. mine at this point basically.

Way to explain how to use google...I really needed that.
well, based on google and the wiki wiki wack, the atari 2600 sold 30 million units from 77-82 (not sure if domestic or worldwide) and the ps3 has sold 12 mill in the US since its release.

so, there you go. and no, IM not going to post the link, its pretty easy to do yourself.

[Go Getter]

well, based on google and the wiki wiki wack, the atari 2600 sold 30 million units from 77-82 (not sure if domestic or worldwide) and the ps3 has sold 12 mill in the US since its release.

so, there you go. and no, IM not going to post the link, its pretty easy to do yourself.


I was at work my friend, didn't feel like doing research...and you'd have to factor in all game systems/gaming PCs and account for population growth to make an accurate statement about the subject.

of course Atari sold more units than ps3 has....Atari had less competition.

[boozehound]

I was at work my friend, didn't feel like doing research...and you'd have to factor in all game systems/gaming PCs and account for population growth to make an accurate statement about the subject.

of course Atari sold more units than ps3 has....Atari had less competition.
no doubt. its not as cut and dry as duece makes it seem, and there is no doubt that vijeo games are much more prevalent and used for more hours than in the 80s. Personally, I think it all changed with the NES.

[GatorKid117]

The PS3 has sold more units than the Atari.

Put me on the team that thinks gaming is more popular today. Adding together computer gaming, hand-helds, ipod touches and consoles, I really don't see an argument.

[bdreason]

Video games are different now. I played a ton of video games growing up; always had the hot new system with all the games (thanks mom and dad). However, I also played outside a ton... because I would typically beat games in a day or two. These days, they have games that simply never end, and serve as incredible time sinks (designed that way to make $$$ of monthly fees). I played the shit out of Super Mario Bros, but comparing it to a game like World of Warcraft today doesn't make sense. People (and kids) literally abandon the real world for years at a time to play some of these never-ending games. I don't know about unit sales, but I'm fairly confident people (and kids) are spending more hours in front of video games than ever before. My favorite are the stories from Korea, where people actually let their children starve to death, or even starve to death themselves, because they have become so engrossed in their virtual world.

[Premeditated]

people back in the days were way more ignorant and closed minded than they are now. This is the greatest era in the United States History. only thing is kids are getting way too sissified than before.

[Hazard]

Didn't read the posts in between but that is the most untrue statement ever. Back then people did not have TV's or internet so there was no way to find out if some kid does something crazy on the other side of the world. Now people do crazy shit and post it on youtube or go to those dumbass shows like America's Got Talent where some talentless douche bag sits behind a desk talks shit...

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

people back in the days were way more ignorant and closed minded than they are now. This is the greatest era in the United States History. only thing is kids are getting way too sissified than before.

people are less religious now than ever before. A lot of my friends are going to burn in hell, and it is really a sad thought.

[boozehound]

The PS3 has sold more units than the Atari.

Put me on the team that thinks gaming is more popular today. Adding together computer gaming, hand-helds, ipod touches and consoles, I really don't see an argument.
Actually, you are correct. but just about the 2600 (30 million vs 38 million world wide for the pS3).

[HisJoeness]

Today

[miller-time]

the only reason i think there would be for people thinking this is that we are more exposed to what specific bright children can do. 50 years ago news about a prodigy artist from europe would never reach you, nor would the news about a prodigy doctor from india. because everything is centralised on one big news database it appears like kids are doing things they've never done before. the actual fact is you have been exposed to stories that you wouldn't have before.

the average kid is still average, they might have more awareness about money or technology but they aren't more intelligent. in fact i would say growing up in the 90s has made it easier for me to understand technology since we had to do everything manually. now everything is automated the learning curve has dropped.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

[QUOTE=HisJoeness]Today

[miller-time]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/9/128943192550028252.jpg

i blame that more on the parents than the kids

kids usually develop their own sense of identity so they can be seen as autonomous from their parents. if they look like that then what do their parents look like? pretty ****ing normal i would say.

[Fallguy20]

People are dumber than ever before. Our society promotes making money, not obtaining knowledge. Education is treated like a trade school, where people are forced down a specific path in order to secure financial security. People no longer care about subjects like Math, History, Language (Latin), or Philosophy (unless it's to do a specific job). The basic understanding of the world, and peoples perspective of the world is tragically flawed.

I hope you didn't copy and paste this, because I seriously just stole it from you and copied it to my facebook.

:ohwell:

repped

[Joshumitsu]

the only reason i think there would be for people thinking this is that we are more exposed to what specific bright children can do. 50 years ago news about a prodigy artist from europe would never reach you, nor would the news about a prodigy doctor from india. because everything is centralised on one big news database it appears like kids are doing things they've never done before. the actual fact is you have been exposed to stories that you wouldn't have before.

the average kid is still average, they might have more awareness about money or technology but they aren't more intelligent. in fact i would say growing up in the 90s has made it easier for me to understand technology since we had to do everything manually. now everything is automated the learning curve has dropped.

This.

Awareness has increased, not intelligence/ingenuity.

Similarly, there is less crime statistically but it only seems like there's more crime because the news reports it. People are becoming more aware of their surroundings which entails their survival. This doesn't mean people are becoming smarter. They just know better.

Though, I do believe we are in a golden age of independent media which allows for more ingenuity and creativity to potentially exist. The spread/convergence of media contributes to this and ingenuity occurs when one takes the adaptations that are both necessary and beneficiary for society as a whole.

[JMT]

Society gets dumber each and every day.

Kids...people, for that matter... can't spell, can't do basic math without a machine, and are unable to string together an intelligible sentence.

Whatever skills they lack are dismissed as "unimportant", in much the same way that they reject personal responsibility by referring to anyone that questions their behavior as a "hater".

It's not all their fault. Their parents are dumber than their parents. It's a process that began within the last 50-60 years and shows no indication of reversing itself.

[BankShot]

i blame that more on the parents than the kids

I can't believe I agree with OJ..... i tend to blame the parents for pretty much every problem with today's youth.

[Hawker]

Kids need more science, math and engineering in their lives.

[Hazard]

Kids need more science, math and engineering in their lives.
Kid need more of whatever they like in their lives, so they can develop hobbies they enjoy instead falling in with a bad crowd and doing dumb shit. None of the things being taught in school teach you anything about life.

[JMT]

Kid need more of whatever they like in their lives, so they can develop hobbies they enjoy instead falling in with a bad crowd and doing dumb shit. None of the things being taught in school teach you anything about life.

And there you have it.

School teaches people the discipline to learn, which is what life is all about.

It teaches you the ability to take instruction and to interact with others in a structured environment.

It teaches you math and communication skills that are invaluable in work, in running a household, raising a family, getting a job, etc.

In short. you couldn't be more wrong. And you know what? I thought just like that when I was a kid as well. I was wrong too.

[Hazard]

And there you have it.

School teaches people the discipline to learn, which is what life is all about.

It teaches you the ability to take instruction and to interact with others in a structured environment.

It teaches you math and communication skills that are invaluable in work, in running a household, raising a family, getting a job, etc.

In short. you couldn't be more wrong. And you know what? I thought just like that when I was a kid as well. I was wrong too.
School does not teach you communication skills, you learn them from communicating with other students while in school. Meanwhile the teachers tell you to sit still and don't talk.

While taking instruction from others is necessary in a work environment, it is the worst thing you can ever be taught. When you constantly listen to what others tell you and never question what you are told, you are no longer a thinking being, you are a tool, and that is what 90% of America is for this exact reason.

What exactly does school teach you about running a household? I don't remember learning about the best frying pan to buy or which mop will clean your floors squeaky clean.. what are you talking about?

About getting a job you learn in college, should you be fortunate enough to be in a situation that you are able to attend.

Math is necessary to broaden your mind and your ability to interpret information in a logical way, so that's one thing I will agree with you on.

[miller-time]

School does not teach you communication skills, you learn them from communicating with other students while in school.

yeah that is a part of the institution, student interaction. plus there are also speeches, group work and classroom participation. but going to school is what provides the social interaction, it is inbuilt not a by-product.


Meanwhile the teachers tell you to sit still and don't talk. While taking instruction from others is necessary in a work environment, it is the worst thing you can ever be taught. When you constantly listen to what others tell you and never question what you are told, you are no longer a thinking being, you are a tool, and that is what 90% of America is for this exact reason.

learning conformity and how to behave in society is not the same as not thinking. people need to learn to wait their turn and be patient. a good teacher can and do let their students engage in questions and there is no rule that says you cannot ask questions. on the otherhand it would completely defeat the purpose of the class if kids could say whatever the hell they wanted at any time.

[Hazard]

yeah that is a part of the institution, student interaction. plus there are also speeches, group work and classroom participation. but going to school is what provides the social interaction, it is inbuilt not a by-product.
I'll have to agree with you on that, but I still believe kids need more time in school to behave naturally and not always be in a structured environment.



learning conformity and how to behave in society is not the same as not thinking. people need to learn to wait their turn and be patient. a good teacher can and do let their students engage in questions and there is no rule that says you cannot ask questions. on the otherhand it would completely defeat the purpose of the class if kids could say whatever the hell they wanted at any time.
I believe learning to conform does cause you to not think for yourself. When people are always telling you what to do from an early age, you tend to not think about what you are doing, and just blindly perform a task. Engaging in questions about the subject is different than asking why the subject is needed in the first place. Do you think, if a young kid who is educated about history, raises his hand and tells the teacher the information in the book is wrong, the teacher would respond to that positively?

[miller-time]

I believe learning to conform does cause you to not think for yourself. When people are always telling you what to do from an early age, you tend to not think about what you are doing, and just blindly perform a task.

i partly agree, but i don't think it is as extreme as you say. even if we had the perfect system i still think most people would be followers.


Engaging in questions about the subject is different than asking why the subject is needed in the first place. Do you think, if a young kid who is educated about history, raises his hand and tells the teacher the information in the book is wrong, the teacher would respond to that positively?

i was going to respond to someone else with a similar point. i think more theory is needed to teach subjects and less facts and figures. i remember when i did science and we would just go in and write an experiment up, perform it and then write our conclusion. there was no rhyme or reason. we weren't learning science we were just doing "science", or in other words we never learnt why we were doing it, we just did. i've forgotten most of what i learnt at the time because i never knew why i needed to keep the information.

in response to your example i think it really comes down to how much the individual teacher cares. i've had good discussions with some of my teachers, others just want to get the lesson over and done with. i think there are serious problems with the education of teachers rather than a problem with inclass dynamics. it works out fine if the teacher can (be bothered to) handle it.

[bobbyflay]

In my view,as a kid, kids these days have alot more knowledge with technological subjects and talents in that area. They simply have acquired more technological devices as ipods, the internet, video games, and shit like that. Yeah, it's true that kids these days are getting more ****ed up and undisciplined. They're are barely any of the rare gentlemen folk anymore but the good thing is that the rise of independent woman is happening(that's why I'm trying to be one. partly because of trying to get girls but MOST IMPORTANTLY for myself and my values).

[Hazard]

i partly agree, but i don't think it is as extreme as you say. even if we had the perfect system i still think most people would be followers.
There would definitely be more followers than leaders but in a perfect system kids would be taught to sustain themselves and be independent, rather than useless knowledge. I also feel like the schools raise the kids, and parents only provide the necessities.



i was going to respond to someone else with a similar point. i think more theory is needed to teach subjects and less facts and figures. i remember when i did science and we would just go in and write an experiment up, perform it and then write our conclusion. there was no rhyme or reason. we weren't learning science we were just doing "science", or in other words we never learnt why we were doing it, we just did. i've forgotten most of what i learnt at the time because i never knew why i needed to keep the information.

in response to your example i think it really comes down to how much the individual teacher cares. i've had good discussions with some of my teachers, others just want to get the lesson over and done with. i think there are serious problems with the education of teachers rather than a problem with inclass dynamics. it works out fine if the teacher can (be bothered to) handle it.
The biggest problem I have with capitalism is that the motive to do anything is money. A teachers motivation should be to teach kids how to learn and absorb information. When the motivation is money they do indeed just try to get through the lesson and collect the check. Same can be said with some doctors, when I ask people why they want to go through med school and become a doctor, most people's motivation is the fat pay check and not the opportunity to save lives.

[miller-time]

The biggest problem I have with capitalism is that the motive to do anything is money. A teachers motivation should be to teach kids how to learn and absorb information. When the motivation is money they do indeed just try to get through the lesson and collect the check. Same can be said with some doctors, when I ask people why they want to go through med school and become a doctor, most people's motivation is the fat pay check and not the opportunity to save lives.

well that is it, and there is no screening process for who can teach either (although by the numbers there might not be enough of those types of people for it to be practical). instead any idiot that wants a secure job can go through university and become a teacher in 3 or 4 years.

[Hazard]

well that is it, and there is no screening process for who can teach either (although by the numbers there might not be enough of those types of people for it to be practical). instead any idiot that wants a secure job can go through university and become a teacher in 3 or 4 years.
Hit the nail on the head :cheers:

[falc39]

Kids need more science, math and engineering in their lives.

Yup, it is laughable how lacking these subjects are to the majority of people now. Gone are the days when a real classical education was common. The problem is when they find out how valuable it is, it is already way too late to have to learn from the bottom up again and pursue a career in those subjects.

This article explains quite well why you need to learn "meaningless" stuff, and it's even related to basketball! Too bad kids these days just have no clue... no clue at all.

http://www.pointguardcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Education-and-Neck-Walk-Arounds.pdf

[Hazard]

Yup, it is laughable how lacking these subjects are to the majority of people now. Gone are the days when a real classical education was common. The problem is when they find out how valuable it is, it is already way too late to have to learn from the bottom up again and pursue a career in those subjects.

This article explains quite well why you need to learn "meaningless" stuff, and it's even related to basketball! Too bad kids these days just have no clue... no clue at all.

http://www.pointguardcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Education-and-Neck-Walk-Arounds.pdf
Maybe if that knowledge was presented a little better, kids today wouldn't be such **** ups. If you're so passionate about it go get your teaching degree and give those kids a clue...

[JMT]

School does not teach you communication skills, you learn them from communicating with other students while in school. Meanwhile the teachers tell you to sit still and don't talk.

While taking instruction from others is necessary in a work environment, it is the worst thing you can ever be taught. When you constantly listen to what others tell you and never question what you are told, you are no longer a thinking being, you are a tool, and that is what 90% of America is for this exact reason.

What exactly does school teach you about running a household? I don't remember learning about the best frying pan to buy or which mop will clean your floors squeaky clean.. what are you talking about?

About getting a job you learn in college, should you be fortunate enough to be in a situation that you are able to attend.

Math is necessary to broaden your mind and your ability to interpret information in a logical way, so that's one thing I will agree with you on.

Communication skills include the ability to assimilate information, develop an informed opinion, and share it within the framework of the setting. The classroom has the capability to offer just that to those that utilize it.

You're correct about the communication and interpersonal skills developed amongst peers. What you're overlooking is the abilty to engage in this behavior within a structured environment.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with learning the ability to take instruction. While seemingly noble to say that doing what you're told turns you into a tool (paraphrasing), that's an unrealistic and immature approach. Being able to take and follow through on instruction is necessary in a million aspects of life, not just the work force. The tool is the person who does so without understanding why, and without developing new skills from the exercise. Unless you are born into a situation where you will be the CEO, CFO, and staff of your own self-sustaining corporation...or a worthless drain on society...you're going to have to take instruction somewhere along the way.

If your reading comprehension skills were better, you would have understood when I wrote that school teaches you the math and communication skills that are necessary to do many things, including running a household and getting/keeping a job.

Every generation thinks they have it figured out, that they know more than school can teach them, that it's a waste of time, etc. Over time, every generation is proven wrong.

[chrisxuk]

It is the truth. Too many times I here on the news about low test scores, public school systems failing and being a joke. Weak eras in sports, crime rate being the highest between kids 15-18 years old. Silly clothing attire, The world catching up to us. .

That's simply not the case it just isn't. Kids today overall are smarter than they have ever been, more independent, obedient, accepting of others/open minding, more athletic, and just simply more talented in every aspect you can think of especially when I compare it to when I grew up in the 80's.

This thread is for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4Q324RTDM 7 and 9 years old. Simply Talented just talented. :applause:

I think it's mixed. Take my school for example. We have years 7-11 of compulsory education, then 12 & 13 are optional (6th form). Some classes during 7-11 were ridiculous, we had students who just weren't interested so ended up disrupting the rest of the class. Preventing us from learning.

Fortunately I'm now in 13, and as it's no longer compulsory, those who aren't interested have gone and left only those that want to learn.

Yes, I do think those who did disrupt lessons could be talented, they are just not willing to put the effort in and that's where I think it all goes wrong. At the time there isn't much to encourage us to learn and try hard. Make education enjoyable, and I'm sure a lot more students would demonstrate their talents and achieve great things.

With the wealth of technology available to us nowadays, there hasn't been an easier time to learn!

[Hazard]

Communication skills include the ability to assimilate information, develop an informed opinion, and share it within the framework of the setting. The classroom has the capability to offer just that to those that utilize it.

You're correct about the communication and interpersonal skills developed amongst peers. What you're overlooking is the abilty to engage in this behavior within a structured environment.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with learning the ability to take instruction. While seemingly noble to say that doing what you're told turns you into a tool (paraphrasing), that's an unrealistic and immature approach. Being able to take and follow through on instruction is necessary in a million aspects of life, not just the work force. The tool is the person who does so without understanding why, and without developing new skills from the exercise. Unless you are born into a situation where you will be the CEO, CFO, and staff of your own self-sustaining corporation...or a worthless drain on society...you're going to have to take instruction somewhere along the way.

If your reading comprehension skills were better, you would have understood when I wrote that school teaches you the math and communication skills that are necessary to do many things, including running a household and getting/keeping a job.

Every generation thinks they have it figured out, that they know more than school can teach them, that it's a waste of time, etc. Over time, every generation is proven wrong.
Tool - One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used.
Just cause you think you're not a tool, does not make it so.
That way of thinking that everything is ok is what's keeping this countries education system so ****ed up. I know how it is so you don't have to tell me, I went through it. There is nothing wrong with taking instruction if you are aware of the motives behind it. For example, go cut wood, why? To start a fire, see how easy that is. This is school: perform science experiment. Why? Because I said so, see the difference? And naturally the kid forgets the science experiment in one day and learns nothing valuable.

In no way shape or form does school teach you how to run a household, I live on my own and run my own household and not once did I ever need anything I learned in school to run it. The only argument you can make is the home ec class, where we learned to make broccoli and cheese... to this day I have never eaten broccoli and cheese.

Also with this economy keeping a job is like rolling a dice, and to find a job you would be better off having connections.

And finally there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, maybe you should work on getting your point across a little better... as wrong as it may be.

[jamal99]

People are dumber than ever before. Our society promotes making money, not obtaining knowledge. Education is treated like a trade school, where people are forced down a specific path in order to secure financial security. People no longer care about subjects like Math, History, Language (Latin), or Philosophy (unless it's to do a specific job). The basic understanding of the world, and peoples perspective of the world is tragically flawed.



Why actually learn anything when you can just google it?



Sometimes I ask random friends and family basic mathematical questions just to fukc with them, and most of the time I'm met with a blank stare (probably wondering where the calculator is). :oldlol:


I'm no math wiz myself, but the degree to which people rely on technology for their knowledge is disturbing.

Totally agree...

[knickmybockers]

I have heard a lot of people say that exact same thing about college. College is something I never regretted not going, it really isn't. I turned out alright have a decent job, and a long time girlfriend and get to spend half the time I am at work on the internet doing leisurely things.
i would absolutely hate to be you when i reach my 30's.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhQH04VMGBiluee42L#

Kids never cease to amaze me, what talent.

[sixerfan82]

I'm interesting to find out where all these grade school kids are that are learning quantum mechanics when I've seen college freshmen that don't know how to multiply, add, or some other basic math skills.

[JMT]

Tool - One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used.
Just cause you think you're not a tool, does not make it so.
That way of thinking that everything is ok is what's keeping this countries education system so ****ed up. I know how it is so you don't have to tell me, I went through it. There is nothing wrong with taking instruction if you are aware of the motives behind it. For example, go cut wood, why? To start a fire, see how easy that is. This is school: perform science experiment. Why? Because I said so, see the difference? And naturally the kid forgets the science experiment in one day and learns nothing valuable.

In no way shape or form does school teach you how to run a household, I live on my own and run my own household and not once did I ever need anything I learned in school to run it. The only argument you can make is the home ec class, where we learned to make broccoli and cheese... to this day I have never eaten broccoli and cheese.

Also with this economy keeping a job is like rolling a dice, and to find a job you would be better off having connections.

And finally there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, maybe you should work on getting your point across a little better... as wrong as it may be.

If you're "running a household", you must have a budget and a bank account. To develop and adhere to a budget, you require math skills that are learned in school.

If you don't have and utilize a budget, you're not running anything.

If you really can't see the value of lessons, theory, discipline and principles learned through science projects, language and history studies, etc, you're right. You learned nothing in school. It's a shame you wasted all that time.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Debatable

[egokiller]

No wonder those idiots in this thread don't post on this site anymore. There's no way they could hang with today's level of talent that posts on here. :applause:

[Meticode]

I personally think people in general are more intelligent and have access to more resources than any time in history. The problem is people have less drive and ever before because everything is so convenient now. You take most of these kids in America and have them walk the miles and miles that kids walk in Africa to just get 5 gallons a water every day and they would break down and cry because they can't handle just walking and carrying water to survive.

While we might be more intelligent as ever collectively. We are more soft and weak as ever too.

Many people would rather sit down and stare at a bunch of pixels on a screen and play a video game than to do something actually constructive or learn some life skill.

[Nanners]

back in the day you could give a kid a pickaxe in the morning and they would come home with a mining cart full of coal in the evening... thats talent right there.

these days you give a kid a pickaxe and they are gonna call you a ****** and keep their stupid ****ing face buried in snapgrambook or zelda or some shit.

[GimmeThat]

Hmm, the private school system failed.