Bulls and Noah agree to 5 year, 60 million deal

[Clocian-IGN]

While the team learned that free agent power forward Carlos Boozer would be lost with a fractured right hand, league sources confirmed the Bulls have come to an agreement with Joakim Noah on a contract extension.

Sources said the deal is for five years and is worth about $60 million. It would go into effect after this season.

An announcement is expected this week.

Noah would be just the second player from the rookie Class of 2007 along with Kevin Durant to agree to an extension.

http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/10/bulls-reach-contract-agreement-with-noah-sources-say/

:rockon:

[BallsOut]

http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/10/bulls-reach-contract-agreement-with-noah-sources-say/

:rockon:

Pretty good deal for the Bulls.

[Nobler]

Good signing :applause:

[Rose]

Good deal, I just posted this on our forum too. He got exactly what I would have given him.

[LT Ice Cream]

They just topped Joe Johnson and the Hawks as the most ridiculous contract extension of 2010-2011

[SixthMan]

can't say he warranted that much money

[Willkill24]

Another overpaid role player.

[MeLO MvP 15]

I think that's a pretty good deal... I think that's what Nene got when his rookie deal was up... Pretty much I'd say Noah deserves more than Aldridge, Okafor and Haywood... so the way centers are being paid, it's a great deal

[BallsOut]

They just topped Joe Johnson and the Hawks as the most ridiculous contract extension of 2010-2011

:roll: I'm sorry man but didn't JJ get like 6 years 120 mill? He's not worth more than 14 per. Hawks got ripped off. Not a lot of good big men in today's game. They got a good deal with Noah.

[PowerGlove]

They just topped Joe Johnson and the Hawks as the most ridiculous contract extension of 2010-2011
+1.

[Samurai Swoosh]

They just topped Joe Johnson and the Hawks as the most ridiculous contract extension of 2010-2011
Seriously ...

:facepalm

[Clocian-IGN]

lmao at the guy who said this topped the JJ contract as the worst signing this year :roll:.

[VishaltotheG]

NOOOOOOOO :facepalm :facepalm

I like Noah, but he's not worth more than 5/40M

[Peteballa]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ChuckOakley]

Should be interesting to see if Chicago now shows they are willing to pay the luxury tax for the 1st time ever. Once they extend Rose, they will have to, to fill out the roster.

[nbastatus]

5 years for 60 million dollars. :oldlol: I would still be hesitating signing him for 5 years 50 million dollars.

[bagelred]

2011: "maybe we can move Noah for an expirer"...."impossible"

[EroticVanilla]

It's over-paying, but all big men get over-payed so it's about right in line for what you'd expect, better then that 70 mil bullshit Noah was trying to get at least.

Personally I think he's only worth like 8 mil a year based on how good he is, but whatever.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Hey, at least the Bulls didn't give him 5/70 like he wanted... :oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

I wonder if those bone heads in Deerfield can think of more ways to f u c k the organization I grew up rooting for religiously. Damn idiots.

:facepalm

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

They just topped Joe Johnson and the Hawks as the most ridiculous contract extension of 2010-2011
not that bad. JJ is 29, has already played his best basketball. looks to be about a 20/5/4 player from her on out maybe at best so to sign him until he is 35 is ludacris for 20 million a year.

Noah 5 year 60 million is what Rudy Gay was orginally offered by the Grizzlies which he turned down. Rudy Gay may be overrated, one dimensional, a black hole, not as good as OJ Mayo, but he is 1000000000x more talented and skilled as a basketball player then Noah is.

Rudy got 5 years 83 million.

yeah both were severly overrated, but overpaid in context though in a summer where everybody got overpaid since everyone whas trying to clear cap for LeBron.

[Peteballa]

2011: "maybe we can move Noah for an expirer"...."impossible"

Lol, you are by far my favorite poster.

[Rose]

not that bad. JJ is 29, has already played his best basketball. looks to be about a 20/5/4 player from her on out maybe at best so to sign him until he is 35 is ludacris for 20 million a year.

Noah 5 year 60 million is what Rudy Gay was orginally offered by the Grizzlies which he turned down. Rudy Gay may be overrated, one dimensional, a black hole, not as good as OJ Mayo, but he is 1000000000x more talented and skilled as a basketball player than then Noah is.

Rudy got 5 years 83 million.

yeah both were severly overrated, but overpaid in context though in a summer where everybody got overpaid since everyone whas trying to clear cap for LeBron.
Bullshit.
Rudy Gay wanted a 5 year extension deal worth 50. Heisley wasn't going to pay him that so they didn't get an extension worked out. And then now heisley looks even more stupid for giving him a 80million+ deal.

[ProfessorMurder]

5 years, 60 million?

To the Bulls organization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0qsi1z4Fi8

[Clocian-IGN]

I wonder if those bone heads in Deerfield can think of more ways to f u c k the organization I grew up rooting for religiously. Damn idiots.

:facepalm


I dont root for teams. I dont have a "team"

:facepalm

[dyna]

So once Rose gets his extension they will have 4 guys making over 10+ million a year.

:confusedshrug:

[Darius]

Chris Kaman looking like more of a deal every day.

[VishaltotheG]

5 years, 60 million?

To the Bulls organization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0qsi1z4Fi8

lol Noah probably slipped cannabis into their water before the meeting.

[Rose]

So once Rose gets his extension they will have 4 guys making over 10+ million a year.

:confusedshrug:
Yeah but once Rose gets his extension Deng's deal is in the last year, so it's not too bad. Plus Boozer will be in his next to last as well.

[Willkill24]

5 years, 60 million?

To the Bulls organization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0qsi1z4Fi8
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PowerGlove]

Hey, at least the Bulls didn't give him 5/70 like he wanted... :oldlol:
Are they going to give Rose a max contract now? He's twice the player that Noah is and they are handing him 12 mil a year. You gotta think about how are they going to keep this roster intact when they are spending way too much on one player.

[bagelred]

lol Noah probably slipped cannabis into their water before the meeting.

The REAL Noah got a bunch of f-cking farms animals and a boat. Joakim Noah gets $60 million.


Times have changed........

[ChuckOakley]

I thought I read somewhere Noah would not sign an extension until Melo was traded? I had a feeling that was BS.

Also, I'm surprised teams are giving out extension now, seems like it would be more beneficial to wait until after the new CBA. He would have been a restricted FA.

[hitmanyr2k]

Big men don't grow on trees anymore. The market is ripe for any young player over 6'11 that can put up a double double in the paint.

[bagelred]

Joakim Noah for $60 million....

And the actual retail price is....alot less: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

[Clocian-IGN]

Big men don't grow on trees anymore. The market is ripe for any young player over 6'11 that can put up a double double in the paint.

not according to ISH. they grow on trees! and he gives us more than that

[PowerGlove]

not according to ISH. they grow on trees! and he gives us more than that
He must be giving half of metro chicago handjobs for free because I am not seeing anything that he does that is worth 12 million a year.

[MasterDurant24]

This is sad...

[BallsOut]

He must be giving half of metro chicago handjobs for free because I am not seeing anything that he does that is worth 12 million a year.

How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yrONwmDnDo

To go along with 14/13 in the playoffs. Remember Bynum gets 13-14 mill per year and he barely even plays.

:rolleyes:

[Clocian-IGN]

He must be giving half of metro chicago handjobs for free because I am not seeing anything that he does that is worth 12 million a year.

of course not, you dont watch the bulls. this is also coming from a raptor fan who are desperately looking for a good center? :wtf:

[PowerGlove]

How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yrONwmDnDo

To go along with 14/13 in the playoffs. Remember Bynum gets 13-14 mill per year and he barely even plays.

:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: So because one guy gets overpaid, everyone else is supposed to follow suit?

[ProfessorMurder]

To go along with 14/13 in the playoffs.

:roll:

[SinJackal]

There goes the rest of our cap space. Noah is now Luol Deng 2.0. Good player, but at least 20% overpaid.

Bulls will never be a title team now. They can't add any more decent FAs, and they draft like crap. Great.

This ruins my night. :facepalm

[All Net]

Seems to be the going rate for big man who can are double double threats.

[PowerGlove]

of course not, you dont watch the bulls. this is also coming from a raptor fan who are desperately looking for a good center? :wtf:
LOL.

I have to watch the Bulls for 82 games to know that your GM f*cked up this contract? Good luck with that shit. Your team isn't a contender, still needs a couple pieces, hmmm let me go overpay one of my players and throw away some of the financial flexibility we have?

[bagelred]

I like Coach Nick's take on Joakim Noah:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bballbreakdown#p/u/87/zhQuvs0nFjU

[Clocian-IGN]

LOL.

I have to watch the Bulls for 82 games to know that your GM f*cked up this contract? Good luck with that shit. Your team isn't a contender, still needs a couple pieces, hmmm let me go overpay one of my players and throw away some of the financial flexibility we have?

and you have fun being one of the worst(if not worst)nba teams for years to come, with players still so bummed out about bosh leaving the team the coach called off practice. damn sad :violin:. sure wish you had a center to start your rebuilding dont ya :cheers:.

dont worry, maybe you'll get lucky in the draft or a FA will come play for you.....:(

[GOBB]

Hey you guys want to keep Deng/Noah over Melo. The price of those two is well worth it. :lol

[bagelred]

. sure wish you had a center to start your rebuilding dont ya :cheers:.

(

The Bulls wish they did too. :lol

[PowerGlove]

and you have fun being one of the worst(if not worst)nba teams for years to come, with players still so bummed out about bosh leaving the team the coach called off practice. damn sad :violin:. sure wish you had a center to start your rebuilding dont ya :cheers:.

dont worry, maybe you'll get lucky in the draft or a FA will come play for you.....:(

LOL, the Raptors have been better than you guys for at least 8 out of the last 13 years and you want to talk trash about my team? I dont think you realize what your GM has just done.

[Pharcyde]

Hey you guys want to keep Deng/Noah over Melo. The price of those two is well worth it. :lol

Carmelo alone would have been making close to what those 2 make combined.

[Pharcyde]

I dont think you realize what your GM has just done.

Signed a valuable player on a contract that is consistent with the rest of the league for his position and play?

[kobelamarjackson]

NOOOOOOOO :facepalm :facepalm

I like Noah, but he's not worth more than 5/40M
:applause:

[PowerGlove]

Signed a valuable player on a contract that is consistent with the rest of the league for his position and play?
Are you going to win a championship with your team the way it is?

[Pharcyde]

Are you going to win a championship with your team the way it is?

So we don't pay him at all and lose him? Does that make us closer to winning a championship?

[PowerGlove]

So we don't pay him at all and lose him? Does that make us closer to winning a championship?
He was going to be a restricted FA.

[Go Getter]

We're really taking it on the nose today Bulls fans.

Don't get goaded into stupid stuff, we'll be okay.

[Pharcyde]

He was going to be a restricted FA.
And someone else would have offered him the same thing or more...

[bdreason]

Fair deal for both sides. Maybe slightly overpaid... but not even as bad as some of the contracts in the NBA.


At least with Noah, you know he's going to bring 110% every night.

[YAWN]

wow, talk about overpaid :hammerhead:

[Undisputed]

Worse big men are making that much money. Good deal for a good center. The Bulls haters on this board are outrageous. :oldlol: It's like a constant Bulls hate campaign here.

[Pharcyde]

wow, talk about overpaid :hammerhead:
How is it overpaid when bigs make close or more than that? Camby just got 21 million for 2 years and he's 36. This isn't some mind boggling contract.

[Willkill24]

How is it overpaid when bigs make close or more than that? Camby just got 21 million for 2 years and he's 36. This isn't some mind boggling contract.
Camby is a beast.

[Pharcyde]

Camby is a beast.

And Noah is better then Camby.

[Skep]

Hopefully he doesnt pull an injury on an off day like Boozer. Dude is making bank.

[Undisputed]

Hopefully he doesnt pull an injury on an off day like Boozer. Dude is making bank.
Noah's smoking bud on his off days. He's way too chill to do some shit like that. :lol

[raptorfan_dr07]

I agree with the Bulls fans in here. Compared to what other C's are getting paid and what Noah provides, this was a good deal for them. I suppose all you guys complaining are ok with players like Brendan Haywood, Andrew Bynum, Emeka Okafor, David Lee, getting paid in the $10-15 million range, but not Noah? Noah's better than all those guys. Especially with Boozer's latest injury, they're gonna need him big time. To the idiots who are crapping on the Bulls for not trading him for Melo, this is why they need Noah. Say they did trade him and Deng or whoever for Melo. Boozer goes down with this injury, and the Bulls are left with Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas as the bigs. Not very reassuring. It's NOT about Melo, it's about what's more important to Chicago, and with an injury prone guy like Booze aboard, Noah's going to be extremely important.

[shake N bake]

If Varejao got 5 years 50 mill .. i think 5YR/60 mill is pretty damn good for noah.. he is twice the play Andy V is ..

nice signing bulls ..

haywood got 5Yr 55mil??? soo yeah again.. nice signing bulls

[craiye]

This is an absolutely terrible deal for the Bulls. Why? Because you don't even have to give this guy a ****ING CONTRACT THIS YEAR!

The CBA expires after this season. After that, it's very likely that we'll see a pretty massive makeover to the whole contract structuring process, and likely that we'll have a lockout as a result. After all that gets settled players will be taking a MASSIVE paycut. This deal will look insane when that happens.

Think - the Bulls could have avoided this by NOT extending him, waiting until he's a restricted free agent (and when the new CBA kicks in) and would have likely gotten him for 8 mill/year at MOST.

Don't point to contracts of guys who were unrestricted this summer or signed previously - they're overpaid contracts are irrelevant. Noah's was completely avoidable.

[Undisputed]

This is an absolutely terrible deal for the Bulls. Why? Because you don't even have to give this guy a ****ING CONTRACT THIS YEAR!

The CBA expires after this season. After that, it's very likely that we'll see a pretty massive makeover to the whole contract structuring process, and likely that we'll have a lockout as a result. After all that gets settled players will be taking a MASSIVE paycut. This deal will look insane when that happens.

Think - the Bulls could have avoided this by NOT extending him, waiting until he's a restricted free agent (and when the new CBA kicks in) and would have likely gotten him for 8 mill/year at MOST.

Don't point to contracts of guys who were unrestricted this summer or signed previously - they're overpaid contracts are irrelevant. Noah's was completely avoidable.

Let's see how the new CBA turns out before talking like this.

[White Chocolate]

This contract isn't nearly as bad as some others. There are more swingmen that average 15-20 PPG than there are defensive specialist big men that can grab 10 rebounds and block 2 shots a night.

[BlazersDozen]

Northwest
Camby - 7.6 (7.5/11.8/2)
Nene - 10.5 (13.8/7.6/1)
Okur - 9 (13.5/7.1/1.1)
Ibaka - 1.1 (6.3/5.4/1.3)
Jefferson - 12 (17.1/9.3/1.3)

Pacific
Hawes - 2.3 (10/6.1/1.2)
Beidrens 9 (5/7.8/1.3)
Bynum - 12.5 (15/8.3/1.4)
Kaman - 10.4 (18.5/9.3/1.2)
R. Lopez - 1.7 (8.4/4.9/1.0)

Southwest
Haywood - 6 (9.1/9.3/2.1)
Ming - 16.3 (DNP)
McDyess - 3 (5.8/5.9/0.4)
Okafor - 10.5 (10.4/9/1.5)
Gasol - 3.2 (14.6/9.3/1.6)

Atlantic
B. Lopez - 2.2 (18.8/8.6/1.7)
Lee - 7 (20.2/8.9/0.5)
Perkins - 4.2 (10.1/7.6/1.7)
Dalembert - 12 (8.1/9.6/1.8)
Bosh - 15.7 (24/10.8/1.0)

Central
Noah 2.4 (10.7/11/1.6)
S. O'Neal - 20 (12/6.7/1.2)
B. Wallace - 1.3 (5.5/8.7/1.2)
Hibbert - 1.5 (11.7/5.7/1.6)
Bogut - 10 (15.9/10.2/2.5)

Southeast
Horford - 4.3 (14.3/9.9/1.1)
Chandler - 11.8 (6.5/6.3/1.1)
J. O'Neal - 23 (13.6/6.9/1.4)
Howard - 15.2 (18.3/13.2/2.8)
McGee - 1.4 (6.4/4.1/1.7)

Looking at this list of contracts and stats from last season's starting centers then I come to the conclusion that Noah should be making about 8.5 per after you take out the rookie contracts and bad contracts. I also take from this list that the center position is just at a rebuilding stage, as there are a lot of broken down pieces but even more young beast centers replacing them in the near future.

[97 bulls]

I agree with the Bulls fans in here. Compared to what other C's are getting paid and what Noah provides, this was a good deal for them. I suppose all you guys complaining are ok with players like Brendan Haywood, Andrew Bynum, Emeka Okafor, David Lee, getting paid in the $10-15 million range, but not Noah? Noah's better than all those guys. Especially with Boozer's latest injury, they're gonna need him big time. To the idiots who are crapping on the Bulls for not trading him for Melo, this is why they need Noah. Say they did trade him and Deng or whoever for Melo. Boozer goes down with this injury, and the Bulls are left with Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas as the bigs. Not very reassuring. It's NOT about Melo, it's about what's more important to Chicago, and with an injury prone guy like Booze aboard, Noah's going to be extremely important.
Great post rap. We bulls fans need guys like you to help the idiots see the error of their way

[Toizumi]

And Noah is better then Camby.

Noah has'nt been better than Camby at any point in his career...
Considering Camby's age and the depth that Portland has at the Center position, Noah might have a better season this year though.

Camby and Noah are known for their defense, rebounding, shotblocking and hustle. Noah is younger and plays with more energy, but Camby is the better rebounder, shotblocker and defender.


Nice post by Blazersdozen. Repped.
Good comparison.. although listing rookie contracts might be deceiving. Some of these guys will get paid a lot more once their rookie contracts are up.

Noah got slightly overpaid IMO... good for him.
Not a terrible contract for the Bulls.

[ILLsmak]

Am I the only person that thinks they overpaid? That's one thing that is bad about a player like Noah... he's a good player, but he's also a fan favorite so they have to pay him.

But yeah this is a pretty large contract. Not that anything points to this happening, but when you reward a young player who is driven by hunger with such a large extension they have the tendency to get lazy.


-Smak

[Nobler]

Fair deal for both sides. Maybe slightly overpaid... but not even as bad as some of the contracts in the NBA.


At least with Noah, you know he's going to bring 110% every night.
This

[ILLsmak]

I agree with the Bulls fans in here. Compared to what other C's are getting paid and what Noah provides, this was a good deal for them. I suppose all you guys complaining are ok with players like Brendan Haywood, Andrew Bynum, Emeka Okafor, David Lee, getting paid in the $10-15 million range, but not Noah? Noah's better than all those guys. Especially with Boozer's latest injury, they're gonna need him big time. To the idiots who are crapping on the Bulls for not trading him for Melo, this is why they need Noah. Say they did trade him and Deng or whoever for Melo. Boozer goes down with this injury, and the Bulls are left with Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas as the bigs. Not very reassuring. It's NOT about Melo, it's about what's more important to Chicago, and with an injury prone guy like Booze aboard, Noah's going to be extremely important.

I wonder... they paid Bynum (which I thought was a bad move) because of his potential. I think when Bynum is on the floor, he's a big presence for the Lakers.

Haywood is good, too, but he needed to get acclimated to the Dallas system. He'll be fine. (BTW it says Haywood is making about 7mil...)

David Lee got overpaid because he signed with another team, but he's still not making 12 mil.

Who else... Okafor... he is in a bad situation now. I think he's a solid player, too. Could be a force on the right team. But he is overpaid.

Keep in mind, these guys didn't get paid this year... Lee did, but no one else. There is going to be a restructuring of the salary cap for sure, they say, and maybe 3 years down the road we'll be saying OMG Noah is making 10+ mil?

It's not really a good idea to come out and say "Look at what other teams overpaid their big men, that means this is a good contract."

-Smak

[ZenMaster]

It's over-paying, but all big men get over-payed so it's about right in line for what you'd expect, better then that 70 mil bullshit Noah was trying to get at least.

Personally I think he's only worth like 8 mil a year based on how good he is, but whatever.

If all big men get that kind of money, and it's right where you expect it to be then it really isn't over paying.

[Pinkhearts]

This makes Bynum look cheap. $15mil for a guy bigger than Noah and put up better stats. If only he can stay injury free...

Now you'll have to wonder what Brook and Marc Gasol is gonna get. Brook looks to get the max for sure.

[ZenMaster]

He must be giving half of metro chicago handjobs for free because I am not seeing anything that he does that is worth 12 million a year.

10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists and 1.6 blocks per game in 30 mins.

Here's a list of the players that gave you 10-10-2-1 or better last year:

Wallace
Pau
Duncan
Noah

[hawkfan]

While the team learned that free agent power forward Carlos Boozer would be lost with a fractured right hand, league sources confirmed the Bulls have come to an agreement with Joakim Noah on a contract extension.

Sources said the deal is for five years and is worth about $60 million. It would go into effect after this season.

An announcement is expected this week.

Noah would be just the second player from the rookie Class of 2007 along with Kevin Durant to agree to an extension.

http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/10/bulls-reach-contract-agreement-with-noah-sources-say/

:rockon:

This extension is probably what Al Horford will get with the Hawks.

[Sarcastic]

10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists and 1.6 blocks per game in 30 mins.

Here's a list of the players that gave you 10-10-2-1 or better last year:

Wallace
Pau
Duncan
Noah

What about D Howard?

[Papaya Petee]

:roll: This has to be one of the worst signings this year.

12 million dollars a year for a player who is a hustle player and a rebounder and defender? 12 million dollar is Carlos Boozer money, Zach Randolph money, Joe Johnson money, Rudy Gay money. Joakim frigging Noah? No more then 8 million a year. Sorry Bulls fans. Overpriced, unless he becomes an offensive threat.

[Go Getter]

:roll: This has to be one of the worst signings this year.

12 million dollars a year for a player who is a hustle player and a rebounder and defender? 12 million dollar is Carlos Boozer money, Zach Randolph money, Joe Johnson money, Rudy Gay money. Joakim frigging Noah? No more then 8 million a year. Sorry Bulls fans. Overpriced, unless he becomes an offensive threat.


No need to feel sorry for us feel sorry for yourself.

I am, as are most Bull's fans, okay with the contract.

[ZenMaster]

What about D Howard?

1.8 assists, should be on the list though.

[coin24]

You cant compare it with JJ's horrendous contract but I really dont think hes worth that much.. Although Varejao is probably on the same money so its prob about right...

I still dont get the hype though, should have traded his and dengs asses for melo:facepalm
:facepalm


Hope those hustle guys get you out of the first round... Doubt it though:no:

[Go Getter]

You cant compare it with JJ's horrendous contract but I really dont think hes worth that much.. Although Varejao is probably on the same money so its prob about right...

I still dont get the hype though, should have traded his and dengs asses for melo:facepalm
:facepalm


Hope those hustle guys get you out of the first round... Doubt it though:no:

Of course they won't.

But Rose and some great team defense might.

[craiye]

Let's see how the new CBA turns out before talking like this.

Huh, wonder why the Bulls aren't thinking about the new CBA before extending a guy that would be a restricted free agent next year?

There's absolutely no way you can look at this as a good deal. Worst case scenario is the new CBA stays exactly the same, no lockout. Next summer Noah becomes a restricted free agent.

Who's going to have cap space to offer Noah a contract next summer? New Jersey? Pretty sure they're set at C. New York? Sure, but I'd imagine they'd have their sights set higher.

I'm fine with teams "overpaying" for their guys if they have to. The Bulls didn't have to. You only really need to overpay if:

1) The player is an unrestricted free agent
2) You play for a small market team
3) Multiple other teams can and will offer your player a big contract

1 and 2 don't apply. I don't think (but I'm not sure) that many teams will have significant cap space next summer. #3 applies to someone like Durant. Any team with space would offer him a contract, so you need to wrap him up. I'd be shocked if any of those teams offered Noah a contract above what he just signed. What's the harm in letting Noah actually SET his market value?

As it was, the Bulls bid against themselves and wound up overpaying. We're going to be talking about this huge contract from Noah a few years down the road after the new CBA kicks in since the Bulls could have avoided this, Guarensheed.

[lurch67]

Do the Bulls EVER learn from their mistakes? This is Dengs contract all over again. Could be worse though, Gordon could've signed that kind of extension and we really would have been screwed.

One decent yr so far, and it was even plauged with foot problems. This is a horrible signing and will haunt us for years to come. How long can a guy his size stay a high energy guy? No wonder we cant sign a real superstar, our FO is the biggest joke in the NBA. Who wants to play for a team that keeps over paying second teir talent and cant pay the stars?

[Ghettobird]

good deal for him

[Snoop_Cat]

incredibly overpaid. then again, so is every decent big man on the market more or less; what could the Bulls really do? Someone was bound to offer Noah that kind of money regardless during his UFA, so a contract of that sort was inevitable. A big thing here now is the Bulls HAVE to give Rose at least 13/14 mil per and likely 16 mil-ish/per, which just DESTROYS their cap space.

Rose + Deng + Noah + Boozer is a terrific core but they're not legitimate title contenders without some pieces and their cap will be completely saturated.

[Nets fan 93]

He may just be a roleplayer... but for the position he plays, pathetically he is one of the better centers in the NBA. Not as overpaid as people think imo.

[Qwyjibo]

This is a great deal for the Bulls. Noah is a legit starting C that gives you exactly what you want from that position and that's rebounding, defense and toughness. And being only 25, the Bulls have him locked up for his best years. He's not incompetent on offense either. I'd rather have Noah at C than David Lee and when you look at the market set with recent signings/extensions given to guys like Aldridge, Lee, Haywood and Bargnani, the Bulls got a good deal here IMO.

[Pharcyde]

Do the Bulls EVER learn from their mistakes? This is Dengs contract all over again. No it's not.


One decent yr so far, and it was even plauged with foot problems. He has consistently shown that when he has been given minutes he keeps the 10+/10+ average. And his foot problems were only big towards the end of the season, which isn't a deal anymore.


This is a horrible signing and will haunt us for years to come. How long can a guy his size stay a high energy guy? No wonder we cant sign a real superstar, our FO is the biggest joke in the NBA. Who wants to play for a team that keeps over paying second teir talent and cant pay the stars?
And then when we don't sign him you whine and ***** about how the front office is stupid because we can't keep our players.

[GOBB]

Dalembert/Tyson Chandler all over again.


Carmelo alone would have been making close to what those 2 make combined.

Franchise player > 2 role players.

[drwax26]

It seems ppl who arent bulls fans think its more so overpaid and bulls fans think its a good signing. I am a bulls fan and think he was overpaid. I love the energy, hustle, rebounding, passion and heart noah brings every nite. Is it really worth 12mill/year??? I think we should have waited at least until we saw him play with Boozer and see if he can keep up the same type of stats as well as improve on them with an offensive force playing alongside him. Noah is still light in the weight department and gets pushed around by the bigger C in the league. Noah is the only C that weighs under 250. Maybe they know something at the Berto Center we dont know but the only way to justify this signing is if he can average 15+ppg and 11+rpg along with 2bpg....

[ChuckOakley]

Noah is one of the best Centers in the game. He may not be the most talented, but he works harder than most and doesn't have the injury resume of some of the other top centers (Bynum, Yao, Bogut)

If some like David Lee or LMA can make $13m per year or whatever they make, Noah at $12m per year is not a bad deal at all. Fact is every top player relative to their position gets overpaid, not sure why this would come as a surprise or come off as a bad deal.

[lurch67]

No it's not.

He has consistently shown that when he has been given minutes he keeps the 10+/10+ average. And his foot problems were only big towards the end of the season, which isn't a deal anymore.


And then when we don't sign him you whine and ***** about how the front office is stupid because we can't keep our players.

This kind of money should be reserved for players you build around, not for players you add in around the central piece(s). Noah is not some one who a team can build a championship around. $8mil/ yr would have been more than enough.

This FO has overvalued and overpayed its players since the departure of The Slueth. We don't even have tradable assets because if they show any sort of talent, GarPax signs them to a contract extension such as Deng's or Noah's. Then you're stuck with average to slightly above average talent thats over priced, unable to put them into any trades that would improve the team.

[ChuckOakley]

This kind of money should be reserved for players you build around, not for players you add in around the central piece(s). Noah is not some one who a team can build a championship around. $8mil/ yr would have been more than enough.

This FO has overvalued and overpayed its players since the departure of The Slueth. We don't even have tradable assets because if they show any sort of talent, GarPax signs them to a contract extension such as Deng's or Noah's. Then you're stuck with average to slightly above average talent thats over priced, unable to put them into any trades that would improve the team.
It would not have been enough.
Look what Haywood got 5/50 or something ridiculous. $10m per.
Haywood is about as average as you can get at the C position. Noah is above average.
David Lee 6/80.

If Chicago did not pay him this, someone gladly would have (assuming they could have in the new CBA)

[GOBB]

Noah is one of the best Centers in the game. He may not be the most talented, but he works harder than most and doesn't have the injury resume of some of the other top centers (Bynum, Yao, Bogut)

If some like David Lee or LMA can make $13m per year or whatever they make, Noah at $12m per year is not a bad deal at all. Fact is every top player relative to their position gets overpaid, not sure why this would come as a surprise or come off as a bad deal.

Hardly a surprise but to say its not a bad deal because x,y,z got overpaid as well? I dont understand. Its like someone saying Iggy contract is bad and I argue no its not. Look at what Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson recieved. Elton Brand contract is bad. No its not, look at what Amare Stoudemire is getting.

[ihatetimthomas]

For those of you who say he is being overpaid, then compare him to the rest of the bigmen of the league. Brendan Haywood got 6 years 55 million. Which of course is less than Noahs, but he is 30 years old, and Noah really has shown a great deal of promise in his young career. Bargnani got 5 years 50 mil a few years back for being more of a perimeter oriented center. Bynum Makes nearly 14 million a year and has been in and out of the lineup his entire starting career. The point is, a lot of bigmen in the NBA are paid big bucks. In my eyes, yes they are overpaid. But compared to the rest of the league, Noah's contract is right at the norm in terms of shelling out money to young centers.

Noah's production the the glass and defensive intensity warrants this deal. He provides you with what a real center should give you. A defensive presence and knack for rebounding. Think about it. There are not a lot of guys in the league who have those attributes. He is going to bring it every time he steps on the floor. Natural centers are very sparse in the league, and if you got one of Noah's caliber, then you have to pay.

[ChuckOakley]

Hardly a surprise but to say its not a bad deal because x,y,z got overpaid as well? I dont understand. Its like someone saying Iggy contract is bad and I argue no its not. Look at what Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson recieved. Elton Brand contract is bad. No its not, look at what Amare Stoudemire is getting.
Contracts are relative to each other.

Everyone gets "overpaid" or so we think, but it's market value. It's what GMs are willing to give out. I also used examples of contracts given out this summer, so it truly is market value. I'm not comparing him to Iggy or Brand or contracts given out years ago.

I think it's easier to look back and say someone is overpaid, like a Brand, but for now, Noah got market value as the contracts of his peers show.

It's a lot of money, but it's not overpaid. If Chicago did not pay him that, someone else would have gladly.

[craiye]

I'm still waiting for some kind of reason as to why the Bulls HAD to extend him now instead of letting him play out his contract and become a restricted free agent. There will be a new CBA after this year, and it's likely that the cap will go down along with max contracts. That will drive everyone's contracts down.

Why not wait until the CBA comes in and then see what Noah's value is in the NEW market? They could have saved 10s of millions had they done this. Instead, they let the player assume a position of power when the organization was in the drivers seat. They bid against themselves and it's going to bite them in the ass.

[bagelred]

It's going to be fun watching Mozgov dominate Noah. :lol

[ChuckOakley]

I'm still waiting for some kind of reason as to why the Bulls HAD to extend him now instead of letting him play out his contract and become a restricted free agent. There will be a new CBA after this year, and it's likely that the cap will go down along with max contracts. That will drive everyone's contracts down.

Why not wait until the CBA comes in and then see what Noah's value is in the NEW market? They could have saved 10s of millions had they done this. Instead, they let the player assume a position of power when the organization was in the drivers seat. They bid against themselves and it's going to bite them in the ass.
That's what I was wondering too.
I guess the only two things I can think of are, another team offers way to high an offer and Chicago gets cold feet about matching or.... There's also so much uncertainty with the new CBA.. maybe it's better they extend him now and let him get grandfathered in?

[craiye]

That's what I was wondering too.
I guess the only two things I can think of are, another team offers way to high an offer and Chicago gets cold feet about matching or.... There's also so much uncertainty with the new CBA.. maybe it's better they extend him now and let him get grandfathered in?

Still, what teams even have the cap space to offer Noah a contract bigger than what he just agreed to? NJ and NY are the only two I'm aware of. NJ wasn't going after him and I'd doubt NY would pull out an offer that big.

[ChuckOakley]

Still, what teams even have the cap space to offer Noah a contract bigger than what he just agreed to? NJ and NY are the only two I'm aware of. NJ wasn't going after him and I'd doubt NY would pull out an offer that big.
Indiana
Sacramento
Washington
LAC
NY
NJ
Minny
Toronto
Cleveland

..maybe others, but I could be wrong on some of those.

[GOBB]

Contracts are relative to each other.

Everyone gets "overpaid" or so we think, but it's market value. It's what GMs are willing to give out. I also used examples of contracts given out this summer, so it truly is market value. I'm not comparing him to Iggy or Brand or contracts given out years ago.

I think it's easier to look back and say someone is overpaid, like a Brand, but for now, Noah got market value as the contracts of his peers show.

It's a lot of money, but it's not overpaid. If Chicago did not pay him that, someone else would have gladly.

It is overpaid because other players got overpaid in the process. What he is getting paid his performance on the court will not scream "Worth it!". But I'm forced to believe it is because Haywood got a ridiculous contract? Uhh ok. Because another team would have overpaid him if Chicago didnt makes it ok? Uhh ok part II.

Noah is gonna have to improve his offensive game this season to earn this deal.

[craiye]

Indiana
Sacramento
Washington
LAC
NY
NJ
Minny
Toronto
Cleveland

..maybe others, but I could be wrong on some of those.
Which of those teams would really make a run at Noah though?

Sacramento, LAC, Washington, Indiana and NJ already have good players or prospects at C. I don't see NY getting terribly exited by Noah, they'll try for Melo. Noah doesn't play PG or PF so Minny is out.

Toronto and Cleveland are the only two that have a need. I don't see Cleveland blowing big money on Noah without any other big time player (plus he's too redundant with Andy). Toronto is the only one I think may make a serious offer, but I'm not sure Noah would even seriously consider playing there. He seems to like the bright lights of the big city.

[Go Getter]

It is overpaid because other players got overpaid in the process. What he is getting paid his performance on the court will not scream "Worth it!". But I'm forced to believe it is because Haywood got a ridiculous contract? Uhh ok. Because another team would have overpaid him if Chicago didnt makes it ok? Uhh ok part II.

Noah is gonna have to improve his offensive game this season to earn this deal.

All the players are overpaid.

60 Mil isn't a gross deal, non Bull's fans underrate what Noah brings to the table.

We're known as a cheap franchise yet we overpay(ed) Kirk, Deng, and Noah.

I guess now we can debunk the myth that the Bulls are a cheap and disloyal franchise we just put a lot of faith and coin into Joakim.

The board is going to go nuts when Rose gets his deal.

[ChuckOakley]

It is overpaid because other players got overpaid in the process. What he is getting paid his performance on the court will not scream "Worth it!". But I'm forced to believe it is because Haywood got a ridiculous contract? Uhh ok. Because another team would have overpaid him if Chicago didnt makes it ok? Uhh ok part II.

Noah is gonna have to improve his offensive game this season to earn this deal.
Like I said it's all relative.
Noah got paid a fair deal relative to his peers.. both 2010 free agents and big men.. they are paid a lot, but not overpaid, as the market dictates.
Supply and demand in the marketplace will set the price. Noah got a fair, non-overpaid deal.

Meanwhile list me some C's in the past 2 years or so that got paid, and are underpaid or paid fairly according to you.

[SinJackal]

Time to go on record.

Noah will never play well enough to actually earn that huge contract.

[Go Getter]

60 mil is not a huge contract...you exaggerate.

[bdreason]

It is overpaid because other players got overpaid in the process. What he is getting paid his performance on the court will not scream "Worth it!". But I'm forced to believe it is because Haywood got a ridiculous contract? Uhh ok. Because another team would have overpaid him if Chicago didnt makes it ok? Uhh ok part II.

Noah is gonna have to improve his offensive game this season to earn this deal.



Previous contracts set the market value. It's not like we have an index that tells us exactly how much each player is worth.

[GOBB]

Previous contracts set the market value. It's not like we have an index that tells us exactly how much each player is worth.

We have a max set/designated for franchise players. We have an idea of who is worth what. $12mil a year for Noah when the max is $16mil and some change? Ummm yeah, he's not overpaid. I guess that energy and hustle is worth more than I'm giving him credit for. Tell me, can Noah score or does he rely on garbage buckets? Is Noah a DPOY caliber talent? But he does something that is worth $12mil per. Oh wait, no he doesnt. He's just fallin in line with other moronic contracts given out by GMs. So therefore one cant criticize nor label his deal as overpaid. Silly me. :facepalm


Noah got a fair, non-overpaid deal

No he got overpaid. Keep arguing tho. :confusedshrug:

[SinJackal]

60 mil is not a huge contract...you exaggerate.

12m a year for a guy who's only reached 10/10 once in his career, and a second best season of 7/7, with injury issues who's never played more than 30 mins a game for a season and a history of getting in foul trouble constantly, is certainly huge.

[GOBB]

All the players are overpaid.

60 Mil isn't a gross deal, non Bull's fans underrate what Noah brings to the table.

We're known as a cheap franchise yet we overpay(ed) Kirk, Deng, and Noah.

I guess now we can debunk the myth that the Bulls are a cheap and disloyal franchise we just put a lot of faith and coin into Joakim.

The board is going to go nuts when Rose gets his deal.

What does he bring to the table worth $12mil?

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If your argument revolves around what player x,y,z got for contracts and how Noah is better? Then that wouldnt explain what Noah brings to the table. This is the only argument I'm recieving. So and so got this so what Noah got is ok. Its like since Noah deal broke as news? The word overpaid no longer exists when talkin about NBA players and thier contracts.

[InspiredLebowski]

Everyone who keeps saying "why sign him now? the cap's going down." Remember when this year's cap was going to "drastically decrease?" Then it went up? Until I the new CBA's ratified by both sides it's pretty pointless to speculate, no matter what kind of numbers the league puts out about how bad they're hurting since they've clearly been wrong about that in the past.

[tpols]

What does he bring to the table worth $12mil?

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If your argument revolves around what player x,y,z got for contracts and how Noah is better? Then that wouldnt explain what Noah brings to the table. This is the only argument I'm recieving. So and so got this so what Noah got is ok. Its like since Noah deal broke as news? There word overpaid no longer exists when talkin about NBA players and thier contracts.
Do you understand the laws of supply and demand? Noah, imo is not a great center but look at the league right now! Try and name the best centers in the league~marc gasol, bynum, lopez, bogut etc. Point is that all these guys aren't that good or are still unproven. Big men, and more specifically, centers are very hard to come by in this league right now so when the demand is high and the supply is low, the price or equillibrium market value will be pushed up because the item in question will be more valuable/harder to attain. Noah deserved the deal. And btw, with your logic you could make a case that all nba players are overpaid which is worthless to argue really.

[qrich]

I remember the outrage when the Clippers gave Kaman his extension, but with these deals being given out left and right, I'm liking that move by Dun. Hopefully Kaman agrees to a cheaper contract once it expires

[craiye]

Everyone who keeps saying "why sign him now? the cap's going down." Remember when this year's cap was going to "drastically decrease?" Then it went up? Until I the new CBA's ratified by both sides it's pretty pointless to speculate, no matter what kind of numbers the league puts out about how bad they're hurting since they've clearly been wrong about that in the past.

Okay, then why pay him now when he'll be a restricted free agent next year? GMs really need to take advantage when they have a RFA. Let them play out their contracts and FIND an offer. Match it if it's reasonable.

Does anyone really think some other team would give Noah a bigger deal than this after the season? I'd doubt it. Look at what the Jazz did with Milsap - they let him play out his contract and find an offer. A lot of people were saying he should get something like 5 years/50 million. Portland signs him to a front loaded contract averaging around 8 million per. Jazz match. Milsap's "market value" is found.

Most of the guys who got majorly overpaid lately were unrestricted. Sometimes you have to overpay for them since you can't forcibly match an offer. With an RFA the GM has all the control. For some reason, the Bulls were too stupid to see this.

[bagelred]

Did the Bulls overpay Noah?

Yesah

[GOBB]

Point is that all these guys aren't that good or are still unproven..

So you overpay them for no reason. You sound like a GM and after 2yrs into the deal you're lookin for a sucker to take on that contract to "cleap cap space" and throw money at another player by overpaying. Rinse and repeat.

I dont have a problem with Noah remaining a Bull. Thats cool. But he got overpaid. There really isnt much of an argument to convince me otherwise. It'll be like me trying to argue Brand and Iggy didnt get overpaid. I acknowledge they did the day they signed those deals. And even today I still feel that way. But I'm not gonna go compare other recent contract to thiers to feel good about what they recieved.

Noah got overpaid. Not a shocker or surprise. More like a given.

[drwax26]

Do you understand the laws of supply and demand? Noah, imo is not a great center but look at the league right now! Try and name the best centers in the league~marc gasol, bynum, lopez, bogut etc. Point is that all these guys aren't that good or are still unproven. Big men, and more specifically, centers are very hard to come by in this league right now so when the demand is high and the supply is low, the price or equillibrium market value will be pushed up because the item in question will be more valuable/harder to attain. Noah deserved the deal. And btw, with your logic you could make a case that all nba players are overpaid which is worthless to argue really.

There is Lopez, Kaman, Howard, duncan, jefferson, Bogut, Bynum, Marc Gasol and Horford. How many teams could actually afford to give Noah that type of deal next year that are contending teams or near contending? You have to remember Noah isnt going to a pissy squad especially in a pissy city. I think my bulls had all the leverage and just buckled under pressure. The deal is done now hopefully he can live up to this contract and years from now he can average 15 + 10+ and 2bpg.

[tpols]

So you overpay them for no reason. You sound like a GM and after 2yrs into the deal you're lookin for a sucker to take on that contract to "cleap cap space" and throw money at another player by overpaying. Rinse and repeat.

I dont have a problem with Noah remaining a Bull. Thats cool. But he got overpaid. There really isnt much of an argument to convince me otherwise. It'll be like me trying to argue Brand and Iggy didnt get overpaid. I acknowledge they did the day they signed those deals. And even today I still feel that way. But I'm not gonna go compare other recent contract to thiers to feel good about what they recieved.

Noah got overpaid. Not a shocker or surprise. More like a given.
No you pay them relative to their peers. Everything is relative. If a certain job sector isn't getting any applicants, it may raise salaries or offer additional benefits to entice more people to its business. In this case, the center position is the sector and noah is one of few competent applicants. People are very often not paid for their raw production but rather for their production relative to their peers. Its a very simple concept. The bulls do become a better defensive team with noah. JJ, boozer, and amare all just got ridiculous max contracts and they're not even top 10 players in the league. It gets to a point where 'everyone will be getting overpaid' so if everyone is overpaid, than, relatively, no one is overpaid because everyone is on the same plane.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Like Noah, but 60m??

[tpols]

There is Lopez, Kaman, Howard, duncan, jefferson, Bogut, Bynum, Marc Gasol and Horford. How many teams could actually afford to give Noah that type of deal next year that are contending teams or near contending? You have to remember Noah isnt going to a pissy squad especially in a pissy city. I think my bulls had all the leverage and just buckled under pressure. The deal is done now hopefully he can live up to this contract and years from now he can average 15 + 10+ and 2bpg.
Lopez is good but he hasn't proven himself entirely. Kaman and horford are no better than noah. Duncan and jefferson are PFs. So only bynum, lopez, gasol, and howard are ahead of noah right now. Thats a top 5 center in the league so I would say its something to hold onto as centers are a rare commodity.

[GOBB]

Lopez is good but he hasn't proven himself entirely. Kaman and horford are no better than noah. Duncan and jefferson are PFs. So only bynum, lopez, gasol, and howard are ahead of noah right now. Thats a top 5 center in the league so I would say its something to hold onto as centers are a rare commodity.

You forgot Bogut. Bogut is better than Noah.

[Snoop_Cat]

Duncan is a Center now as well due to incapability in guarding PFs now.

They can list him at PF all they want, he's now a Center.

[drwax26]

Lopez is good but he hasn't proven himself entirely. Kaman and horford are no better than noah. Duncan and jefferson are PFs. So only bynum, lopez, gasol, and howard are ahead of noah right now. Thats a top 5 center in the league so I would say its something to hold onto as centers are a rare commodity.

I'm going according to what they are playing for their respective teams but correct me if im wrong. Lopez was a rook last year so he will continue to improve. Of course you want to hold onto your C. You also dont want to cripple your team. In 2 years we will have one of the highest paid frontcourt duo but will we be contending for titles and have cap flexibility to bring in complimentary pieces remains to be seen.

[knickscity]

OK Noah got 5/60mil.

So what are they gonna pay Rose?

[PowerGlove]

OK Noah got 5/60mil.

So what are they gonna pay Rose?
This is what I've been saying.

[KABIRC]

Great for the Bulls they just made a really good decision by keeping one of their most consistent players:applause:

[Qwyjibo]

Rose is still on his rookie deal. Rose will probably get whatever the "max" will be for a player with his service time. I'm pretty sure the Bulls have had this in their books for the future since his rookie season. What that max will be probably depends on the next CBA.

It's not like the Bulls gave this deal without realizing that they'll likely be giving Rose a max deal soon. This is probably basic stuff for an NBA team to manage.

[PowerGlove]

Rose is still on his rookie deal. Rose will probably get whatever the "max" will be for a player with his service time. I'm pretty sure the Bulls have had this in their books for the future since his rookie season. What that max will be probably depends on the next CBA.

It's not like the Bulls gave this deal without realizing that they'll likely be giving Rose a max deal soon. This is probably basic stuff for an NBA team to manage.

Boozer's getting 80 mill.
Noah gets 60 mill.
Deng is getting paid as well.
Rose gets a max contract.

Where is the money to build a contender?

[Pharcyde]

Boozer's getting 80 mill.
Noah gets 60 mill.
Deng is getting paid as well.
Rose gets a max contract.

Where is the money to build a contender?

They shouldn't have paid Noah at all. That would have made them closer to contention!!!

[LosBulls]

There goes the rest of our cap space. Noah is now Luol Deng 2.0. Good player, but at least 20% overpaid.

Bulls will never be a title team now. They can't add any more decent FAs, and they draft like crap. Great.

This ruins my night. :facepalm

Hey at least we drafted Taj Gibson last year and he can give us 19 and 7 when starting this season.