Mechanically separated chicken

[enayes]

This might not be news for everyone, but I found this really disgusting. I always knew that hot dogs and fast food were gross, but I didn't think it was this bad.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2s9u9ut.jpg

Say hello to mechanically separated chicken. It’s what all fast-food
chicken is made from—things like chicken nuggets and patties. Also, the
processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it.Basically, the
entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve—bones, eyes, guts,
and all. it comes out looking like this.There’s more: because it’s
crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it,
actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be be flavored
artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with
artificial color.But, hey, at least it tastes good, right?

[Skywalker]

..... vegetarian here i come

[Horde of Temujin]

capitalism at its best

[Rose]

before I read it, I was like...wtf does ice cream have to do with chicken?

[Ghettobird]

not going to eat fast food today, my appetite is gone

[AJ2k8]

before I read it, I was like...wtf does ice cream have to do with chicken?

When i read the thread title i thought i'd be looking at a robotic chicken that had been separated somehow:oldlol:

Anyway that sh!ts quite interesting, and a little deterring at the same time...

[Rose]

When i read the thread title i thought i'd be looking at a robotic chicken that had been separated somehow:oldlol:

Anyway that sh!ts quite interesting, and a little deterring at the same time...
When I read the thread title I was like, cool a recap of a robot chicken episode.
When I saw the picture I was like, WTF ice cream?!?!?!
Then when I read it was I like, no more fast food.

[boozehound]

This might not be news for everyone, but I found this really disgusting. I always knew that hot dogs and fast food was gross, but I didn't think it was this bad.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2s9u9ut.jpg

Say hello to mechanically separated chicken. It’s what all fast-food
chicken is made from—things like chicken nuggets and patties. Also, the
processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it.Basically, the
entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve—bones, eyes, guts,
and all. it comes out looking like this.There’s more: because it’s
crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it,
actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be be flavored
artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with
artificial color.But, hey, at least it tastes good, right?
how do people not know this? Look at what you are eating at a FF place and ask yourself what part of the bird it could be. I would highly recommend you check out Food Inc. (available streaming on netflix) for a pretty open and honest overview of our food system and how it has failed us as a society (both primary producers as well as consumers, not to mention the impact on the rural economy in the US over the last century) while being a highly profitable enterprise.

[Rose]

how do people not know this? Look at what you are eating at a FF place and ask yourself what part of the bird it could be. I would highly recommend you check out Food Inc. (available streaming on netflix) for a pretty open and honest overview of our food system and how it has failed us as a society (both primary producers as well as consumers, not to mention the impact on the rural economy in the US over the last century) while being a highly profitable enterprise.
We had to watch that on campus, one day. and then a guy wrote his speech in my speech class over it, once I finally got past all the gross shit I learned,(I already knew some of it but chose to ignore it). I saw it in September and I didn't have fast food again till...June I believe.

[rufuspaul]

[quote=enayes]This might not be news for everyone, but I found this really disgusting. I always knew that hot dogs and fast food was gross, but I didn't think it was this bad.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2s9u9ut.jpg

Say hello to mechanically separated chicken. It

[boozehound]

also your FF burger is more than likely close to half soy protien. and pretty much all soy, wheat and corn in our diet in the US is GMO, since there are no labeling requirements and they comprise something like 90% of all crops grown now (just in the last decade or so has this happened).

Now, Im not totally against GMO, but I do argue that we do not know what the long term impact will be.

People like to compare it with selective breeding (as genetic engineering) but that is clearly a false flag argument. Selective breeding works with the variation available in an existing genome. GE takes genes from entirely different evolutionary lineages (from fish to toms for example). And, recall that much of DNA is "junk" dna, meaning it doesnt encode for a specific protein. but we are discovering that this "junk" has a bigger and more complicated role that we fully understand. So, what are the long-term impacts? We dont know and we are using ourselves as guinea pigs. I think its unethical that the govt doesnt require labeling for GMO. But, of course, they wont, because the corporate lobbyists who revolving door into our positions of food system authority know that people will choose the non-gmo if given the choice.

thats right, dig our heads in the sand and dont worry about the most fundamental activity we engage in as a society. best not to think about it.

[beermonsteroo]

[QUOTE=enayes]This might not be news for everyone, but I found this really disgusting. I always knew that hot dogs and fast food was gross, but I didn't think it was this bad.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2s9u9ut.jpg

Say hello to mechanically separated chicken. It

[airchibundo507]

you could add enough artificial flavoring and coloring to anything to call it food. :milton (couldn't find a 'sick' smilie, but i've never used this before)

[LJJ]

I don't know why they dye it and process it further, that looks delicious! Why not sell it like that?

Go to KFC and get a nice bowl of chicken:

http://i52.tinypic.com/4ztbf7.jpg

[MTing]

I cant eat strawberry ice cream anymore. Thanks.

[Lebron23]

Disgusting

[Styles p]

glad i don't eat fast food.

[PowerGlove]

Definitely not eating fast food ever again.

[bada bing]

this might be a stupid question but whatever..i am home for two weeks now and not in the mood to use my brain. So they put a chicken in there and that ice cream looking thing comes out?

[Zan Tabak]

http://www.formerfatguy.com/sunrider-foods/blog/mcdonalds-mcnuggets.jpg

Not 'Lovin it' so much now, are we?:(

[boozehound]

this might be a stupid question but whatever..i am home for two weeks now and not in the mood to use my brain. So they put a chicken in there and that ice cream looking thing comes out?
yes, basically they use force (centrifugal I think) to push the "meat" (soft tissue) through a screen and leave behind the bones.

THis is then washed in ammonia, etc and pressed into a molding machine

[boozehound]

frankly, this issue doesnt really concern me that much compared to the general confined feeding ways we raise our chickens and other animals in our current food system. but its still pretty gross to look at.

[mlh1981]

This sadly doesn't suprise me.

But whenever we have threads like this, there are always people who come in and say "oh, good thing I don't eat fast food anymore!' or something similar.

Noone I know personally does either, but obviously, they are still going strong. I'd like to see what their numbers are, though, in a society that is becoming more aware of these issues, has seen documentaries like "Supersize Me" etc.

Of course, we as a a nation are becoming more obese than ever before, so maybe people really just are ignorant and stupid, super busy, and just want a quick meal.

[bada bing]

This sadly doesn't suprise me.

But whenever we have threads like this, there are always people who come in and say "oh, good thing I don't eat fast food anymore!' or something similar.

Noone I know personally does either, but obviously, they are still going strong. I'd like to see what their numbers are, though, in a society that is becoming more aware of these issues, has seen documentaries like "Supersize Me" etc.

Of course, we as a a nation are becoming more obese than ever before, so maybe people really just are ignorant and stupid, super busy, and just want a quick meal.

with greater poverty, the obesity rates actually rise. Its different in America because of our fastfood centric society. With poverty, the only type of food that becomes accessible are things like BK, McDonalds, tacobell and pizza. You can survive on a few bucks/day with these places.

believe it or not, healthy food is very expensive. Organic food is even more expensive.

its not about people being stupid or ignorant. Our economy is in the trash and we have a growing poverty rate. People are working harder (super busy) or are not working at all. This opens for a lot of fast food business.

i am wondering what the sales/profit margin for places like McDonalds and tacobell was in the past few years.

[airchibundo507]

with greater poverty, the obesity rates actually rise. Its different in America because of our fastfood centric society. With poverty, the only type of food that becomes accessible are things like BK, McDonalds, tacobell and pizza. You can survive on a few bucks/day with these places.

believe it or not, healthy food is very expensive. Organic food is even more expensive.

its not about people being stupid or ignorant. Our economy is in the trash and we have a growing poverty rate. People are working harder (super busy) or are not working at all. This opens for a lot of fast food business.

i am wondering what the sales/profit margin for places like McDonalds and tacobell was in the past few years.

I heard that McDonalds and WalMart were like the two most successful enterprises during the recession. That actually had an increase in profit, which is expected.

[airchibundo507]

http://www.formerfatguy.com/sunrider-foods/blog/mcdonalds-mcnuggets.jpg

Not 'Lovin it' so much now, are we?:(

grrrr...

why does it look and taste so good? especially when hot and bathed in honey.

[Patrick Chewing]

You want real chicken, gotta go to the deli.

[JtotheIzzo]

I like the eyeball flavor, wouldn't want to give that up eating real chicken.

[boozehound]

with greater poverty, the obesity rates actually rise. Its different in America because of our fastfood centric society. With poverty, the only type of food that becomes accessible are things like BK, McDonalds, tacobell and pizza. You can survive on a few bucks/day with these places.

believe it or not, healthy food is very expensive. Organic food is even more expensive.

its not about people being stupid or ignorant. Our economy is in the trash and we have a growing poverty rate. People are working harder (super busy) or are not working at all. This opens for a lot of fast food business.

i am wondering what the sales/profit margin for places like McDonalds and tacobell was in the past few years.
this is a lie. eating healthy can be done for just as cheap as fast food, but it requires much more time and effort on your part. People argue that eating healthy is more expensive, but it really doesnt have to be at all. I can back this up later if there is a debate or interest.

Clearly, the cheapest, laziest way to feed your self is 2 tacobell 5 layer burritos or whatever every day, but its mostly because of effort rather than actual food cost.


That being said, I still eat FF from time to time. Its incredibly convenient and loaded with all the flavors we are evolutionarily biased to crave (sodium, sugar, fat).

[boozehound]

You want real chicken, gotta go to the deli.
most of the sliced chicken "breast" you buy is also recombined and pressed. Not the same as the stuff in the OP, but hardly an actual cut of meat.

[bada bing]

this is a lie. eating healthy can be done for just as cheap as fast food, but it requires much more time and effort on your part. People argue that eating healthy is more expensive, but it really doesnt have to be at all. I can back this up later if there is a debate or interest.

Clearly, the cheapest, laziest way to feed your self is 2 tacobell 5 layer burritos or whatever every day, but its mostly because of effort rather than actual food cost.


That being said, I still eat FF from time to time. Its incredibly convenient and loaded with all the flavors we are evolutionarily biased to crave (sodium, sugar, fat).

with teh dollar menus, you can survive on cheap food while being very busy trying to cope with economic hardships. I dont eat fastfood that much at all but i do know thats its more time consuming and expensive to make and eat healthy food. most impoverished people do not have the time.

i am interested in you proving to me how healthy food can be cheaper then say going to tacobell and grabbing their dollar menus.

[evilmonkey]

More chicken for me!

[JohnnySic]

Meh. You shoudln't be eating fast food anyway. That stuff is pure trash; you dont need something like to get the point across.

[JohnnySic]

this is a lie. eating healthy can be done for just as cheap as fast food, but it requires much more time and effort on your part. People argue that eating healthy is more expensive, but it really doesnt have to be at all. I can back this up later if there is a debate or interest.
Exactly right.

A few quick examples:
Can of tuna: $1-$2
Rotisserie Chicken (baked): $5-$7
1 lb lean ground beef or bison: $5-$6
1/2 lb sliced turkey (organic): $4-$5

And so on.

You wont see me in any fast food place.

[boozehound]

with teh dollar menus, you can survive on cheap food while being very busy trying to cope with economic hardships. I dont eat fastfood that much at all but i do know thats its more time consuming and expensive to make and eat healthy food. most impoverished people do not have the time.

i am interested in you proving to me how healthy food can be cheaper then say going to tacobell and grabbing their dollar menus.
alright. Kinda busy, but Ill make a brief grocery list with prices. For a while there, my wife and I spent 20 bucks a week on groceries max. for the 2 of us. now, we tend to eat out of our garden as well (lettuce, etc) so we'll bump it to 30 for 21 meals.

Having trouble finding grocery prices online. I will use mine from memory unless someone has a site

[Styles p]

canned vegetables are cheap as well as fresh fruits and vegetables. rice is cheap and always a good side to almost any meal.

[DeuceWallaces]

You can buy very lean (96/4) ground beef for 4 dollars a pound; that's 1 dollar per serving. Chicken breast can also be had for a dollar a serving. You can buy even cheaper sirloin cuts for <1 per serving. You can get turkey breast and cutlets for the same price; pork too. Frozen shrimp can be purchased for about 1.50 a serving. Cod, catfish, flounder, snapper, trout can be purchased for a couple dollars a serving, or less.

Those are your main costs. Pair with green beans, peas, snap peas, carrots, squash/zucc, corn, and tomatoes for 20 cents a serving. If you're like me and grow heirloom tomatoes, bell peppers, and herbs you add those for free. You can get rice for pennies a serving or potatoes and bread. Whole grain pasta is only 1.99 for 6-8 servings.

It's pretty easy to eat healthy and cheap. Most of that stuff can be prepared in 20-45 minutes.

[Styles p]

You can buy very lean (96/4) ground beef for 4 dollars a pound; that's 1 dollar per serving. Chicken breast can also be had for a dollar a serving. You can buy even cheaper sirloin cuts for <1 per serving. You can get turkey breast and cutlets for the same price; pork too. Frozen shrimp can be purchased for about 1.50 a serving. Cod, catfish, flounder, snapper, trout can be purchased for a couple dollars a serving, or less.

Those are your main costs. Pair with green beans, peas, snap peas, carrots, squash/zucc, corn, and tomatoes for 20 cents a serving. If you're like me and grow heirloom tomatoes, bell peppers, and herbs you add those for free. You can get rice for pennies a serving or potatoes and bread. Whole grain pasta is only 1.99 for 6-8 servings.

It's pretty easy to eat healthy and cheap. Most of that stuff can be prepared in 20-45 minutes.

pretty much and then you have left overs that make for a quick meal instead of fast food.

[Chicken Boo]

...

[enayes]

http://www.countryoutfittersandhunts.com/hunting/mule-deer-hunt.jpg


Healthiest meat out there.

[ZeN]

...
Negged.

[rufuspaul]

http://www.countryoutfittersandhunts.com/hunting/mule-deer-hunt.jpg


Healthiest meat out there.

:oldlol: The expression on that deer's face is like "That muthafukka beat the shit outta me!"

I had a rack roast of Elk a few weeks ago that was fantastic. It was cooked med. rare and served with an espresso demiglaze.

[boozehound]

OK here is the the menu. damn it. cant cut n paste it out of excell.


Su M T W Th F S
B Eggs and Bacon Oatmeal Oatmeal Oatmeal Oatmeal Oatmeal Pancakes
L Cheesy Pasta leftovers Leftovers leftovers leftovers leftovers leftover open face sandwiches
D Chicken and Mashed Rice and Beans Chicken burritos Quiche with brocc Pasta Burgers/stewBacon egg-fried rice
Potatoes peas carrots Rice and bean and leftover chicken with fries or other potato with left over veggies


well, its not very clear with the formating but hopefully you can get the idea. most breakfasts are oatmeal. pancakes 1 day and Eggs and Bacon the other. A whole roaster or boiled chicken with mash and veggies on sunday and that chicken is reused in other dished throughout the week.


again, Im not that concerned with it being the absolute healtiest menu, just something that has a balance and incorporates lots of whole foods particularly grains and beans.

the one thing missing (I cut it for Bacon!) is fruit. But again, no reason why you couldnt cut out the bacon, make more bread (yes, we make our own bread) and have eggs and toast instead.

[LJJ]

Second word I read on that menu is Bacon? I'm sure the list is fine booze, but the first impression is everything.

[boozehound]

Here is the weekly grocery list

Item Cost
Oatmeal 1.5
Black Beans (5 lbs) 1.5
Brown Rice (28 oz) 2.69
Flour (5 lbs) 2
2 dozen eggs 2
Gallon Milk 1.88
Potatos (5 lbs) 2
carrots 1
pasta 0.79
Tom Sauce 0.25
Meat - Ground or special that week (2 lbs) 3.5
Cheese Mozz shredded (16 oz) 2.99
Chicken whole 3.25
Bacon 3
Frozen peas 0.79
Frozen Brocc 0.79
Total 29.93


Most prices from either
http://www.comparegroceryprices.org/search/data/comparison.shtml
http://springsbargains.com/dried-beans-versus-canned-beans-cost-savings-breakdown/

[boozehound]

Second word I read on that menu is Bacon? I'm sure the list is fine booze, but the first impression is everything.
meh, Im not that worried about making it that healthy, so much as showing that 2 people can eat a well balanced diet for about $15/each a week.

[boozehound]

canned vegetables are cheap as well as fresh fruits and vegetables. rice is cheap and always a good side to almost any meal.
dont forget frozen. generally the best mix of cost and nutritional value.

[rufuspaul]

Nice list booze. Mine's usually around $100 for the week but much of that comes from beer/wine/liquor. Sin can be expensive.

[boozehound]

Nice list booze. Mine's usually around $100 for the week but much of that comes from beer/wine/liquor. Sin can be expensive.
yeah, I tend to buy more meat and cheese than that list, as well as fruits and more fresh veggies. but my wife and I did actually live on 20/week for about a year. Again, it helped that we had plenty of radishes, arugula (though the wife doesnt like it), etc and then squash and toms in the summer.

also, I didnt include sugar ($2 for 5lbs on the site I linked) or butter/marg/cooking oil.


so, can you feed 2 people for 21 meals straight (thats 42 meals) for 30 at mickey D's?

[boozehound]

:oldlol: The expression on that deer's face is like "That muthafukka beat the shit outta me!"

I had a rack roast of Elk a few weeks ago that was fantastic. It was cooked med. rare and served with an espresso demiglaze.
nice. I tend to love game. espresso demiglaze huh? One place in town here does a chili-chocolate-coffee rub on their fillet. its pretty awesome.

[rufuspaul]

nice. I tend to love game. espresso demiglaze huh? One place in town here does a chili-chocolate-coffee rub on their fillet. its pretty awesome.

I've had something similar. Great combo of flavors. Almost like a mole sauce with coffee.

[boozehound]

BTW this site has some great costsaving grocery and meal tips.
http://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/40dollarmenu.htm

[SayTownRy]

i tried buddy's natural chicken last night for the first time from my local grocery store. it's free range and only comes from Gonzalez, TX about an hour from where I am. a friend of mine that's a personal trainer and nutrition coach swears by it.

it was some of the tastiest chicken i've had in a while. gonna be stickin to that for most of my chicken needs. anyone else from texas had it?

their requirements:
-all vegetable diet
-no antibiotics in the feed
-no animal by-products in the feed
-minimal processing
-no artificial ingredients added during processing

[craigthomasb]

Jamie oliver did this on his american food revolution in front of some 8 year old kids, grinded it all up, sived it, turned them into nuggets. then asked them if they would still eat them? they all said yeah :lol

not sure about the food colouring part though, i mean, when the chicken gets cooked, which it will do before it is sold, it will turn white anyway

[Meticode]

http://www.formerfatguy.com/sunrider-foods/blog/mcdonalds-mcnuggets.jpg

Not 'Lovin it' so much now, are we?:(
I thought it would look worse. I'm hungry now.

[Fuhqueue]

You can buy even cheaper sirloin cuts for <1 per serving.
Whoa whoa whoa.

Do you mean general fresh beef cuts or actual sirloin? Sirloin goes for upwards of $22 per kilo in the UK :mad:

[golddigger31]

so, if we have all this artificial flavoring out there..then why don't we have chicken flavored broccoli yet?

[Dwade305]

so, if we have all this artificial flavoring out there..then why don't we have chicken flavored broccoli yet?

Cause is better to throw some ranch dressing on top of it and gobble it up.

[Maniak]

No denying that ranch is the best

[DeuceWallaces]

Whoa whoa whoa.

Do you mean general fresh beef cuts or actual sirloin? Sirloin goes for upwards of $22 per kilo in the UK :mad:

Sirloin is one of the cheapest cuts of beef.

Sirloin<NY Strip/Delmonico<Tenderloin

[craigthomasb]

Sirloin is one of the cheapest cuts of beef.

Sirloin<NY Strip/Delmonico<Tenderloin


sirloins different in america bro, UK Sirloin = NY strip

also US Fillet = UK Fillett

[Fuhqueue]

I might be mistaken but I think NY strip/Delmonico is off the short loin (t-bone) portion. Sirlon over here is strictly the top side cut above the rear tenderloin. "Surloine" in French is above the loin. ofc the tenderloin/fillet(UK) is the best overall piece though, and that even goes to around

[DeuceWallaces]

In the states what's marketed as sirloin is usually from round/flank/chcuk area and costs about 3.50-5.50 a pound. New York Strip/Rib Eye/Delmonico can be found on sale for 5.99-9.99 a pound, and Beef Tenderloin/Filet is between 13.99-19.99 a pound in a grocery store type place. If you were to buy the latter two from a butcher they would likely be 15.99-23.99 a pound and of higher quality.

[Fuhqueue]

Yeah thats a much more comparable price scale

There's a wide variance on international beef cuts it seems

http://radio-weblogs.com/0126951/images/myPictures/2004/05/25/Beef%20Jointing%20Methods.GIF

[ukplayer4]

i have no idea what passes as chicken over there but why would you ever buy a chicken product that is 'formed' or 'processed', avoid those two words and also the word 'shaped'. thats not real chicken.

[RaininThrees]

how do people not know this? Look at what you are eating at a FF place and ask yourself what part of the bird it could be. I would highly recommend you check out Food Inc. (available streaming on netflix) for a pretty open and honest overview of our food system and how it has failed us as a society (both primary producers as well as consumers, not to mention the impact on the rural economy in the US over the last century) while being a highly profitable enterprise.

Great call on Food Inc. Was gonna recommend it as well.

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0

Also, first couple of mins. The shot of the cattle farm is wild: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqQVll-MP3I

[RaininThrees]

Great call on Food Inc. Was gonna recommend it as well.

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0

Also, first couple of mins. The shot of the cattle farm is wild: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqQVll-MP3I

Try eating chicken after watching the start of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqLIyIr2-5s&feature=related

Now, I'm no Vegan or member of PETA, but...

[Lebowsky]

Great call on Food Inc. Was gonna recommend it as well.

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0

Also, first couple of mins. The shot of the cattle farm is wild: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqQVll-MP3I

I'm watching it at the moment and it truly is sickening and disturbing on so many levels.

[Kobe8]

Im never gonnna eat tyson's chicken nuggets again.. but I cant resist the taste of Mcnuggets tho .. junk is delicious..
and btw for future references to all you whore$ , Dont post anything similiar like this thread. please dont , I dont wanna know how they were made or how they were proccessed , as long as I know what kind of animal im eating,, its all good...

I ate alligator's meat once inside an airplane ... Brunei Airlines.. Shit taste delicious , But my grandpa tricked me into eating that joint , he said it was cow meat.. then he told me it was alligator meat after I ate that junk , no wonder he was smiling like a Maniac while I was eating it. :facepalm -R.I.P.