ROY 2004: Carmelo Anthony or Lebron James?

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Melo stats : 21/6/3 on 42%..Won 43 games and lost to KGs Wolves in the first round.

Cast :
Andre Miller 14/6
Nene 11/6
Camby 8/10/3


Lebron stats : 21/5/6 on 41% Won 35 games, no playoffs.

Cast :
Ricky Davis 15/5/5
Carlos Boozer 15/11
Big Z 15/8

What do you think ?

[Willkill24]

Melo.

[PowerGlove]

I thought it was Melo then and still do now.

[branslowski]

This thread should be good.....



Anyway...LeBron was the ROY the minute he took the stage next to stern at the Draft....Basically, it was his to lose...And Melo did nothing epic enough to take it away from him.

[Jordan-esque]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T2kUq4qxyao/TDXmN0-xGFI/AAAAAAAABKg/4XQ03iwg-48/s1600/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

Guess someone forgot this.

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Winning MVP is not just about how great a player's STATS are compared to others...

Oh wait a sec...

Winning ROY is not just about how great a player's STATS are... ah forget it.

[Wakko]

I thought it was Melo then and still do now.
:applause: :applause:

[Droid101]

For rookies, it almost always is about stats (because they so frequently aren't on good teams due to how the draft works).

[Lebron23]

For rookies, it almost always is about stats (because they so frequently aren't on good teams due to how the draft works).

QFT

[2LeTTeRS]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T2kUq4qxyao/TDXmN0-xGFI/AAAAAAAABKg/4XQ03iwg-48/s1600/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

Guess someone forgot this.

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Winning MVP is not just about how great a player's STATS are compared to others...

Oh wait a sec...

Winning ROY is not just about how great a player's STATS are... ah forget it.

Man shut the **** up. Being an asshole has nothing to do with how good a player is on the court. If you want to fill the board up with threads about all the bad things he's done thats one thing, but don't derail good threads with this bullshit

[CJ Mustard]

Melo easily.

[2LeTTeRS]

Speaking of 04......whatever happened to KingofVA from the old ezboard days? He was probably the first Bron hater I remember.

And back then I sided with Bron and still do. They were equal as scorers and on the board, but Bron was just a superior playmaker. To me that was enough to give him the nod as ROY.

[The_Yearning]

Melo. That Nuggest team actually made the playoffs in the West lol and have yet to missed the playoffs since his arrival.

[Lebron23]

Melo should have won the Rookie of the Year, but the voters were probably impressed with LeBron because he's the 4th NBA Rookie to average 20-5-5 in his first NBA Season.

[Tarik One]

Winning MVP is not just about how great a player's STATS are compared to others...

Oh wait a sec...

Winning ROY is not just about how great a player's STATS are... ah forget it.

:cheers:

Tired of people making comparisons in retrospect based solely in stats. The Cavs were a piss poor team before LBJ got there and he single handedly brought them to respectability in a single season. Fack the stats

[Wakko]

Melo should have won the Rookie of the Year, but the voters were probably impressed with LeBron because he's the 4th NBA Rookie to average 20-5-5 in his first NBA Season.
:cheers:

[NY-Knicks]

I'd choose Melo.

[Jordan-esque]

Man shut the **** up. Being an asshole has nothing to do with how good a player is on the court. If you want to fill the board up with threads about all the bad things he's done thats one thing, but don't derail good threads with this bullshit
Y u mad? :(

[2LeTTeRS]

Melo should have won the Rookie of the Year, but the voters were probably impressed with LeBron because he's the 4th NBA Rookie to average 20-5-5 in his first NBA Season.

A lot of people were also impressed because he was also the first player directly out of high school to contribute on that level during his rookie year. Before him the best year in recent history came from Amare who put up 14 and 9 his first year.

[ashbelly]

What was the Cavaliers and Nuggets regular season records the year before both Melo and lebron joined their teams ?

[Mr Clutch Melo]

:cheers:

Tired of people making comparisons in retrospect based solely in stats. The Cavs were a piss poor team before LBJ got there and he single handedly brought them to respectability in a single season. Fack the stats

Not like the Nuggets was a good team before Melo either:confusedshrug: :rolleyes:

[ashbelly]

What was the Cavaliers and Nuggets regular season records the year before both Melo and lebron joined their teams ?


Can someone answer this for me please ??

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Nuggets : 17-65

Cavs: 17-65

[branslowski]

Can someone answer this for me please ??

look it up..:facepalm

[Nets fan 93]

Melo should have won the Rookie of the Year, but the voters were probably impressed with LeBron because he's the 4th NBA Rookie to average 20-5-5 in his first NBA Season.
especially at 18 years old.

[AK47DR91]

Nuggets : 17-65

Cavs: 17-65

Juwan Howard was the Nuggets' best player that year. :lol

Who was Cavs' top dog?

[NY-Knicks]

Can someone answer this for me please ??

Denver was 17-65 and Cleveland was 17-65.

[Jordan-esque]

What was the Cavaliers and Nuggets regular season records the year before both Melo and lebron joined their teams ?
Yes sir!

Loading up Google... la la la la...

TADA!

Before Melo:
Nuggets 2002-2003 = 17 - 65 (missed Playoffs)

After Melo:
Nuggets 2003-2004 = 43 - 39 (advance to 1st Round Playoffs)

Before LeBron:
Cavaliers 2002-2003 = 17 - 65 (missed Playoffs)

After LeBron:
Cavaliers 2003-2004 = 35 - 47 (missed Playoffs)

[CJ Mustard]

Yes sir!

Loading up Google... la la la la...

TADA!

Before Melo:
Nuggets 2002-2003 = 17 - 65 (missed Playoffs)

After Melo:
Nuggets 2003-2004 = 43 - 39 (advance to 1st Round Playoffs)

Before LeBron:
Cavaliers 2002-2003 = 17 - 65 (missed Playoffs)

After LeBron:
Cavaliers 2003-2004 = 35 - 47 (missed Playoffs) Expect ashbelly to keep quite now.

[ashbelly]

Melo should have won the Rookie of the Year, but the voters were probably impressed with LeBron because he's the 4th NBA Rookie to average 20-5-5 in his first NBA Season.


:bowdown: :bowdown: If i'm not mistaken, jordan was the last one to do so ??

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Lebron won ROY the moment he declared for the draft. David Stern:facepalm

[ashbelly]

Expect ashbelly to keep quite now.

You wish. Jennings lead his team to the Playoffs last season but tyreke won the ROY. Does it sound familiar ? another 20/5/5 Rookie. 3rd player to do it since Michael jordan and lebron james in their rookie years. Does it ring a bell ? :oldlol:

[airchibundo507]

You wish. Jennings lead his team to the Playoffs last season but tyreke won the ROY. Does it sound familiar ? another 20/5/5 Rookie. 3rd player to do it since Michael jordan and lebron james in their rookie years. Does it ring a bell ? :oldlol:

21/6/3 isn't THAT far from 20/5/5.

Melo was unarguably the best player on his team, and he played in a deep conference.

[evilmonkey]

Lebron :

20.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
5.9 apg
1.7 spg
0.7 bpg

Carmelo :

20.7 ppg (-0.2 points)
6.0 rpg (+0.5 rebs)
2.7 apg (-3.2 assists)
1.2 spg (-0.3 steals)
0.5 bpg (-0.2 blocks)

3.2 assists is very huge difference since an assist leads to 2 or 3 points, that means Lebron was accountable for extra up to 9.6 points.....

Plus the 0.2 ppg he averaged more... 9.6 + 0.2 = 9.8 points...

Lebron didnt just had better stats, but this means he was also accountable for extra up to 9.8 points to his team..... thats a major difference....

20.9 points + 5.9 assists (which is 11.8 - 17.7 points) = Means Lebron was accountable for an average total of 32.7 ppg to 38.6 ppg.

Carmelos 20.7 + 2.7 assists (5.4 - 8.1 points) = Means Carmelo was accountable for an average total of 26.1 ppg to 28.8 ppg.

Hope this clears some things up................................

[ashbelly]

Lebron :

20.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
5.9 apg
1.7 spg
0.7 bpg

Carmelo :

20.7 ppg (-0.2 points)
6.0 rpg (+0.5 rebs)
2.7 apg (-3.2 assists)
1.2 spg (-0.3 steals)
0.5 bpg (-0.2 blocks)

Compared to Lebron, Carmelo averaged 3.2 less assists (this is huge), 0.2 less points, 0.3 less steals, 0.2 less blocks... the only thing he had more of was +0.5 more rebounds.

3.2 assists is very huge difference since an assist leads to 2 or 3 points, that means Lebron was accountable for extra up to 9.6 points.....

Plus the 0.2 ppg he averaged more... 9.6 + 0.2 = 9.8 points...

Lebron didnt just had better stats, but this means he was also accountable for extra up to 9.8 points to his team..... thats a major difference....

20.9 points + 5.9 assists (which is 11.8 - 17.7 points) = Means Lebron was accountable for an average total of 32.7 ppg to 38.6 ppg.

Carmelos 20.7 + 2.7 assists (5.4 - 8.1 points) = Means Carmelo was accountable for an average total of 26.1 ppg to 28.8 ppg.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[AK47DR91]

:oldlol: LeBron's assists are so meaningful yet he doesn't make his teammates better.

[magnax1]

I've always said Melo. That team making the playoffs, even though it was fairly talented, was surprising to me. How well Lebron's team played wasn't really surprising at all.

[Jordan-esque]

Lebron :
20.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
5.9 apg
1.7 spg
0.7 bpg

Carmelo :
20.7 ppg (-0.2 points)
6.0 rpg (+0.5 rebs)
2.7 apg (-3.2 assists)
1.2 spg (-0.3 steals)
0.5 bpg (-0.2 blocks)

I'm sorry sir, but those are not Carmelo Anthony's 2004 Statistics. Honestly, I am not even quite sure where all those numbers came from.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3706/career

His stats are actually:

CARMELO ANTHONY - 2004:

21.0 PPG (+0.2)
3.8 APG (-2.1)
6.1 RPG (+0.6)
1.2 SPG (-0.4)
0.5 BPG (-0.2)

So at least everyone gets both the facts straight...

:rockon:

[porebo]

Lebron :

20.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
5.9 apg
1.7 spg
0.7 bpg

Carmelo :

20.7 ppg (-0.2 points)
6.0 rpg (+0.5 rebs)
2.7 apg (-3.2 assists)
1.2 spg (-0.3 steals)
0.5 bpg (-0.2 blocks)

Compared to Lebron, Carmelo averaged 3.2 less assists (this is huge), 0.2 less points, 0.3 less steals, 0.2 less blocks... the only thing he had more of was +0.5 more rebounds.

3.2 assists is very huge difference since an assist leads to 2 or 3 points, that means Lebron was accountable for extra up to 9.6 points.....

Plus the 0.2 ppg he averaged more... 9.6 + 0.2 = 9.8 points...

Lebron didnt just had better stats, but this means he was also accountable for extra up to 9.8 points to his team..... thats a major difference....

20.9 points + 5.9 assists (which is 11.8 - 17.7 points) = Means Lebron was accountable for an average total of 32.7 ppg to 38.6 ppg.

Carmelos 20.7 + 2.7 assists (5.4 - 8.1 points) = Means Carmelo was accountable for an average total of 26.1 ppg to 28.8 ppg.

Hope this clears some things up................................


Clears nothing! Both deserved, Carmelo was huge in the lasts games of that season, 7 wins in 10 games, averaging 25 ppg. Bringing Denver back to the playoffs after almost 10 years.
At least co-ROYs.

[Monkey D Dragon]

It was more fan thing but Both should of Share the ROY. Only reason is LeBron was more fan fav

[evilmonkey]

:oldlol: LeBron's assists are so meaningful yet he doesn't make his teammates better.

First time in my life ive heard such a statement against assists...... If anything, assists only make your teammates better by making their job much easier...

Imagine if you right now at this given moment were put in the starting lineup next to Lebron.... you can only shoot, so you sit tight in a corner... you give the ball to Lebron and you know 100% of the time when you are open you WILL get the ball for an entirely open jumpshot.... I can guarantee you will hit at least one of those baskets no matter how bad you are...

If you didnt had Lebron... now you must create the shot yourself.... and dont lie to me that you could do that against NBA opponents? :) Your game automatically therefore takes a MAJOR boost when Lebron is on the floor....

What somebody like Nash, Deron, Kidd, Rondo, CP3 and Lebron do is exploit their teammates offensive talents/skills to its full potential by constantly working to create the best offensive situation for you.... they let you play to the best of your ability.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Melo was robbed. The only reason LeBron won is because he was hyped so much and ESPN writers and media personality (the voters) have always loved him and hated Melo.

[Jordan-esque]

I'm sorry sir, but those are not Carmelo Anthony's 2004 Statistics. Honestly, I am not even quite sure where all those numbers came from.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3706/career

His stats are actually:

CARMELO ANTHONY - 2004:

21.0 PPG (+0.2)
3.8 APG (-2.1)
6.1 RPG (+0.6)
1.2 SPG (-0.4)
0.5 BPG (-0.2)

So at least everyone gets both the facts straight...

:rockon:
Going by that...

LeBRON JAMES - 2004:

20.9 PPG
5.9 AST
5.5 RPG
1.6 SPG
0.7 BPG

CARMELO ANTHONY - 2004:

21.0 PPG (+0.2)
3.8 APG (-2.1)
6.1 RPG (+0.6)
1.2 SPG (-0.4)
0.5 BPG (-0.2)

If you add them STATS up...

LeBron = 32.3

Carmelo = 31.7

So LeBron wins by 0.6 stat points (not including FG%, FT%, 3P%)...

[Monkey D Dragon]

Melo was robbed. The only reason LeBron won is because he was hyped so much and ESPN writers and media personality (the voters) have always loved him and hated Melo.


Nah, they dont hate Melo

Melo is just not TV type person like LeBron is. Melo is too street for ESPN

[evilmonkey]

Clears nothing! Both deserved, Carmelo was huge in the lasts games of that season, 7 wins in 10 games, averaging 25 ppg. Bringing Denver back to the playoffs after almost 10 years.
At least co-ROYs.

How does that clear nothing?

What you just compared is a guy who was accountable for 32-39 points compared to a guy who was accountable for 26-28 points (with less steals & blocks).

Thats not different than saying Kobes 26 ppg last season was better than Jordans 37 ppg season simply because Kobes team was better that season...... :confusedshrug:

Are you in this case telling me that because Kobe/Carmelo played WORSE than Jordan/Lebron those seasons were better... just because their teams had better records? :facepalm

[Bigsmoke]

Melo

[MayCeltics]

Melo should've won it. He had better stats, and his team made the playoffs.

[evilmonkey]

Melo should've won it. He had better stats, and his team made the playoffs.

What??

[Willkill24]

What??
http://www.sportsnewscaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/NBA-Playoffs-2010-Schedule-and-Standings-Updates.jpg

[stridge]

So LeBron wins by 0.6 stat points (not including FG%, FT%, 3P%)...
which are also categories that carmelo is better than lebron in :rolleyes:

and less turnovers too

[KABIRC]

Carmelo He played better in 2004 period

[VIP2000]

I'd still give the edge to Melo, although it would be a close one.

The Nuggets did make the playoffs but their entire roster was overhauled in the offseason. LeBron basically had to play with the same core of that 17-65 team the year before (including Ricky Davis).

[porebo]

How does that clear nothing?

What you just compared is a guy who was accountable for 32-39 points compared to a guy who was accountable for 26-28 points (with less steals & blocks).

Thats not different than saying Kobes 26 ppg last season was better than Jordans 37 ppg season simply because Kobes team was better that season...... :confusedshrug:

Are you in this case telling me that because Kobe/Carmelo played WORSE than Jordan/Lebron those seasons were better... just because their teams had better records? :facepalm
:facepalm
Stop, just Stop. Melo and Lebron played theirs rookie year in the same season, same league, same rules. ITS different, Im not comparing 2 players from almost 2 decades of difference. Just Stop.:hammerhead:
Im not talking about KOBE or JORDAN. Talking about Lebron and Carmelo.

I dont care if Lebron averaged more points in your math. Melo made the playoffs in a hard West, Lebron didn't, Stats are close. Lebron was just more hyped. Again they should be AT LEAST Co-ROY.

[kidachi]

Lebron no doubt.. not taking anything away from Melo.. that's hell of a rookie year..

yes Melo's team reached the playoffs and Bron's didn't..

but let's not forget Melo had proven veterans with him.. Kenyon, Andre Miller, Camby and those guys..

LeBron had.. Ricky Davis for a month.. Darius Miles until trade deadline I think... and up and coming Carlos Boozer..

and 20/5/5 for an 18yr old? c'mon..

[jThrow'd]

Kenyon Martin wasn't there yet.

Andre Miller
Voshon Lenard
Nene Holario
Marcus Camby
Earl Boykins

Lebron had

Ricky Davis
Jeff McInnis
Carlos Boozer
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Dejuan Wagner

[kidachi]

^^ woops, I stand corrected

[Harrison_Barnes]

I would of still gave it to Lebron.. although Melo was obviously very very close.

[LA KB24]

Nah, they dont hate Melo

Melo is just not TV type person like LeBron is. Melo is too street for ESPN
:pimp:

[Aye Dee]

The right person won it IMO, Melo had a great rookie season tho but its just something about that 20/5/5 that stands out to me, especially since its rare for a rookie let alone veterans...

[Kurosawa0]

I thought this was closer than it turned out to be, but I think LeBron rightfully won it. You could argue that Melo had the better year, but it was clear LeBron was going to be the better player. Kinda reminds me of the Kevin Durant vs. Al Horford debate a few years ago.

[jlip]

I'd still give the edge to Melo, although it would be a close one.

The Nuggets did make the playoffs but their entire roster was overhauled in the offseason. LeBron basically had to play with the same core of that 17-65 team the year before (including Ricky Davis).

I'm giving the edge to Lebron. But you're definitely correct about the roster changes. As great as Melo played he might not have even been the most significant change to the '04 roster.

In '03, Marcus Camby missed more than 50 games. He was pretty healthy in '04 and played 72 games. Then the Nuggets picked up Andre Miller who had just 2 seasons prior to that led the league in assists. Also they brought Voshon Leonard back from the Raptors. In '04, he actually had one of his best seasons. Finally, Earl Boykins was added as a 6th man. Other than Nene, I don't think that any of the top 6 Nugget players in '03 were present in '04.

Although there were a few other changes, Lebron was unquestionably the primary addition to the Cavs roster. And the other additions in no way amounted to the improvements that the Nuggets saw.

[YouCallILose]

Melo was the better player without question


1 point=1 point
1 assist=1.25 points(NBA average as you have to account for the lost possession)
1 turnover=-1 point(NBA average is 1 point per possession)
1 offensive rebound=1 point(1 point per possession)
FGA=-1 point(NBA average is 1 point per possession)


Melo
21 ppg=21 points
17.9 FGA=(-17.9) points
3.8 assists=+4.75 points
3 TO's=(-3) points
2.2 offensive rebounds=2.2 points
Total=Net +7.05 points per game

LeBron
20.9 points=20.9 points
18.9 FGA=(-18.9) points
5.9 assists=7.375 points
3.5 TO's=(-3.5) points
1.3 offensive rebounds=(-1.3) points
Total=Net +4.575 points per game

I did not even take away from LeBron due to the fact he played 3 more minutes per game either

Also this is even further displayed by their Win Shares Per 48
Melo-.098
LeBron-.078

/thread


actually 1 more thing: If you want to be real, Dwayne Wade was quite easily the best rookie in the class that year.

[2LeTTeRS]

Melo was the better player without question


1 point=1 point
1 assist=1.25 points(NBA average as you have to account for the lost possession)
1 turnover=-1 point(NBA average is 1 point per possession)
1 offensive rebound=1 point(1 point per possession)
FGA=-1 point(NBA average is 1 point per possession)


Melo
21 ppg=21 points
17.9 FGA=(-17.9) points
3.8 assists=+4.75 points
3 TO's=(-3) points
2.2 offensive rebounds=2.2 points
Total=Net +7.05 points per game

LeBron
20.9 points=20.9 points
18.9 FGA=(-18.9) points
5.9 assists=7.375 points
3.5 TO's=(-3.5) points
1.3 offensive rebounds=(-1.3) points
Total=Net +4.575 points per game

I did not even take away from LeBron due to the fact he played 3 more minutes per game either

Also this is even further displayed by their Win Shares Per 48
Melo-.098
LeBron-.078

/thread


actually 1 more thing: If you want to be real, Dwayne Wade was quite easily the best rookie in the class that year.

So why did you subtract Bron's offensive rebounds, but then add Melo's? According to you're little formula Bron should have 7.175 to Melo's 7.05. And why do you not count defensive rebounds?

[cavsfanatic]

Lebron was the 3rd rookie ever to average 20-5-5 and dude was fresh outta high school. Roy is all bout stats so that's why he won. Melo had a way better team also

[cavsfanatic]

So why did you subtract Bron's offensive rebounds, but then add Melo's? According to you're little formula Bron should have 7.175 to Melo's 7.05. And why do you not count defensive rebounds?
his formula dumb as hell. As much as I dislike lebron now he deserved Roy. Look at team rosters for Cavs,heat and nuggets. Cavs roster was horrendous

[Mr Clutch Melo]

his formula dumb as hell. As much as I dislike lebron now he deserved Roy. Look at team rosters for Cavs,heat and nuggets. Cavs roster was horrendous

Nuggets roster was as bad, still Melo took them to the playoffs

[YouCallILose]

Wade averaged 16, 5, and 4 on 47%

he was the true ROY

[RUCKER]

You all don't know jack.. LeBron came into the NBA right out of Highschool.. Melo had a season of college ball under his belt.

Rookie of the year goes to LeBron, hands down bar none. Only player in the history of the NBA, besides Kobe Bryant to get drafted right out of High school.

Not even Michael Jordan can say he did that. That alone is worth LeBron taking home the ROY honors.

[2LeTTeRS]

his formula dumb as hell. As much as I dislike lebron now he deserved Roy. Look at team rosters for Cavs,heat and nuggets. Cavs roster was horrendous

Not saying the Cavs roster was good, but it was better during his rookie year than any other year until 08/09. The problem was that the team made 2 bad trades during the year ( 1) Ricky Davis and Chris Mihm for Eric Williams, Kedrick Brown, and Tony Battie and 2) Darrius Miles for Jeff McInnis). If they hadn't made any deals and just like their team develop Bron / Davis / Miles / Boozer / Z with Mihm, Diop and Wagner (if he could have gotten healthy) sounds like enough talent to form a winning team. Too bad management killed it.

[2LeTTeRS]

You all don't know jack.. LeBron came into the NBA right out of Highschool.. Melo had a season of college ball under his belt.

Rookie of the year goes to LeBron, hands down bar none. Only player in the history of the NBA, besides Kobe Bryant to get drafted right out of High school.

Not even Michael Jordan can say he did that. That alone is worth LeBron taking home the ROY honors.

Did you just say that LeBron is the only player other than Kobe to get drafted out of high school? You really need to learn your history.

[LA_Showtime]

Co-ROY. Anthony's rookie season was sick. A lot of people claimed Anthony was better than James.

[RUCKER]

Did you just say that LeBron is the only player other than Kobe to get drafted out of high school? You really need to learn your history.

I meant get drafted at #1 right out of highschool you fool.

[KareemCambell]

melo

[2LeTTeRS]

I meant get drafted at #1 right out of highschool you fool.

Kobe wasn't drafted at #1, he was drafted at #13 to the Hornets and then traded to the Lakers for Vlade Divac. Kwame Brown, Bron and Dwight were the only 3 who went at #1 straight out of high school. Again learn you're history.

Oh, and now whose the fool?

[RUCKER]

Kobe wasn't drafted at #1, he was drafted at #13 to the Hornets and then traded to the Lakers for Vlade Divac. Kwame Brown, Bron and Dwight were the only 3 who went at #1 straight out of high school. Again learn you're history.

Oh, and now whose the fool?

What about Kevin Garnett kid?

Thought so. I rest my case. Sit down you NBA nub. You're a rookie to me. You aren't on my level of NBA knowledge yet.

I don't care about your join date or post count. You don't know more than me about the National Basketball League.

[Rizko]

I meant get drafted at #1 right out of highschool you fool.
1. Kobe was drafted 13th in the draft IIRC

2. Lebron wasn't the only straight from highschool to be picked 1 overall, your forgetting Dwight and Kwame

[2LeTTeRS]

What about Kevin Garnett kid?

Thought so. I rest my case. Sit down you NBA nub. You're a rookie to me. You aren't on my level of NBA knowledge yet.

I don't care about your join date or post count. You don't know more than me about the National Basketball League.

Wow...you're really dumb. You said drafted #1. KG was drafted at #5. You said LeBron was the "[o]nly player in the history of the NBA, besides Kobe Bryant to get drafted right out of High school." Then after I told you how wrong you were in saying that you changed it to "I meant get drafted at #1 right out of highschool you fool" even though Kobe wasn't a #1 draft pick. Again learn your history.

[PistonsFan#21]

Wow...you're really dumb. You said drafted #1. KG was drafted at #5. You said LeBron was the "[o]nly player in the history of the NBA, besides Kobe Bryant to get drafted right out of High school." Then after I told you how wrong you were in saying that you changed it to "I meant get drafted at #1 right out of highschool you fool" even though Kobe wasn't a #1 draft pick. Again learn your history.

Dont waste your time with him. Its the same guy thats saying current Shaq is a better player than Wade. Obvious troll

[Noah Rose]

Don't forget Moses Malone, Andrew Bynum, Tracy McGrady among high school draftees. There are tens of tens more.

[gengiskhan]

Carmello got robbed. Lebron was clear runner up for ROTY honors.

[2LeTTeRS]

Don't forget Moses Malone, Andrew Bynum, Tracy McGrady among high school draftees. There are tens of tens more.

You're right. Here's the entire list of guys who jumped straight to the NBA from high school.

[CODE]1962 Round 4 Pick 29 Reggie Harding C United States Detroit Pistons
1975 Round 1 Pick 5 Darryl Dawkins C United States Philadelphia 76ers
1975 Round 2 Pick 19 Bill Willoughby F/C United States Atlanta Hawks
1995 Round 1 Pick 5 Kevin Garnett* F United States Minnesota Timberwolves
1996 Round 1 Pick 13 Kobe Bryant* G United States Charlotte Hornets
1996 Round 1 Pick 17 Jermaine O'Neal* F/C United States Portland Trail Blazers
1997 Round 1 Pick 9 Tracy McGrady* F United States Toronto Raptors
1998 Round 1 Pick 25 Al Harrington F United States Indiana Pacers
1998 Round 2 Pick 32 Rashard Lewis+ F United States Seattle SuperSonics
1998 Round 2 Pick 40 Korleone Young F United States Detroit Pistons
1999 Round 1 Pick 5 Jonathan Bender F United States Toronto Raptors
1999 Round 1 Pick 25 Leon Smith C United States Dallas Mavericks
2000 Round 1 Pick 3 Darius Miles F United States Los Angeles Clippers
2000 Round 1 Pick 23 DeShawn Stevenson G United States Utah Jazz
2001 Round 1 Pick 1 Kwame Brown F United States Washington Wizards
2001 Round 1 Pick 2 Tyson Chandler C United States Los Angeles Clippers
2001 Round 1 Pick 4 Eddy Curry C United States Chicago Bulls
2001 Round 1 Pick 8 DeSagana Diop C Senegal Cleveland Cavaliers
2001 Round 2 Pick 46 Ousmane Cisse# F Mali Denver Nuggets
2002 Round 1 Pick 9 Amar'e Stoudemire* F/C United States Phoenix Suns
2003 Round 1 Pick 1 LeBron James* F United States Cleveland Cavaliers
2003 Round 1 Pick 23 Travis Outlaw F United States Portland Trail Blazers
2003 Round 1 Pick 26 Ndudi Ebi F United Kingdom Minnesota Timberwolves
2003 Round 1 Pick 27 Kendrick Perkins C United States Memphis Grizzlies
2003 Round 2 Pick 48 James Lang C United States New Orleans Hornets
2004 Round 1 Pick 1 Dwight Howard* F/C United States Orlando Magic
2004 Round 1 Pick 4 Shaun Livingston G United States Los Angeles Clippers
2004 Round 1 Pick 12 Robert Swift C United States Seattle SuperSonics
2004 Round 1 Pick 13 Sebastian Telfair G United States Portland Trail Blazers
2004 Round 1 Pick 15 Al Jefferson F United States Boston Celtics
2004 Round 1 Pick 17 Josh Smith F United States Atlanta Hawks
2004 Round 1 Pick 18 J. R. Smith G United States New Orleans Hornets
2004 Round 1 Pick 19 Dorell Wright G/F United States Miami Heat
2005 Round 1 Pick 6 Martell Webster G/F United States Portland Trail Blazers
2005 Round 1 Pick 10 Andrew Bynum C United States Los Angeles Lakers
2005 Round 1 Pick 18 Gerald Green F United States Boston Celtics
2005 Round 2 Pick 34 C. J. Miles G United States Utah Jazz
2005 Round 2 Pick 35 [B]Ricky S

[nbastatus]

Lebron James.

[elementally morale]

Honestly: How many of you guys arguing here watched the NBA back then? To be more accurate: How many of you did NOT watch?

In fact, who would win ROY was an everyday topic in the media back then, and it coud have gone either way. As for me, I can't remember who I thought was better at the time. I really disliked Carmelo so I rooted for LeBron, that I can remember. But I'm not sure he was a better player then. Someone with a higher ceiling, sure. Better at the time, I dunno. It was a tossup.

As of now, I prefer Carmelo to LeBron. Funny, but my preference as to which guy I liked more... at first it was LeBron, Wade and Melo, then it became Wade, LeBron and Melo and now it is Melo, Wade and LeBron.

LeBron is the best player of the three though. I just lost interest in him. Totally.

[Noah Rose]

posted on rlgm



Carmelo Anthony - 2004 Stats:
21.0 ppg -- 6.1 rpg -- 2.8 apg -- 1.2 spg -- 0.5 bpg -- FG% .426 -- 3P% .322 -- FT% .777 -- 3.0 tov

LeBron James - 2004 Stats:
20.9 ppg -- 5.5 rpg -- 5.9 apg -- 1.6 spg -- 0.7 bpg -- FG% .417 -- 3P% .290 -- FT% .754 -- 3.5 tov

Nuggets Starting Five - 2004:
CR - Marcus Camby (8.6 ppg -- 10.1 rpg -- 1.8 apg)
PF - Nene Hilario (11.8 ppg -- 6.5 rpg -- 2.2 apg)
SF - Carmelo Anthony (21.0 ppg -- 6.1 rpg -- 2.8 apg)
SG - Voshon Lenard (14.2 ppg -- 2.7 rpg -- 2.1 apg)
PG - Andre Miller (14.8 ppg -- 4.5 rpg -- 6.1 apg)

Cavaliers Starting Five - 2004:
CR - Zydrunas Ilgauskus (15.3 ppg -- 8.1 rpg -- 1.3 apg)
PF - Carlos Boozer (15.5 ppg -- 11.4 rpg -- 2.0 apg)
SF - LeBron James (20.9 ppg -- 5.5 rpg -- 5.9 apg)
SG - Ricky Davis (15.3 ppg -- 8.1 rpg -- 1.3 apg)
PG - Jeff McInnis (11.7 ppg -- 2.6 rpg -- 7.5 apg)

Nuggets 2003 Record - season before:
17W - 65L
(Ranked 28 out of 29 in the League = Lottery)

Nuggets 2004 Record with Carmelo Anthony:
43W - 39L (+26 wins)
(Ranked 11 out of 29 in the League = Playoffs Birth 1st Round)

Cavaliers 2003 Record - season before:
17W - 65L
(Ranked 29 out of 29 in the League = Lottery)

Cavaliers 2004 Record with LeBron James:
35W - 47L (+18 wins)
(Ranked 21 out of 29 in the League = Lottery)



Carmelo's STATS advantages are:
- Points, Rebounds, FG%, 3P%, FT%, and less Turnovers

LeBron's STATS advantages are:
- Assists, Blocks, and Steals

[Wagon jumper]

Honestly speaking, who is the better player? If you want to argue melo thats the only achievement he should have then you should not be melo fans.

[jstern]

Stats look close, but I kind of remember Lebron being the clear winner. I wonder why it looked that way to me, since it was so long ago. Context is important, I just don't remember.

[Shep]

One of the biggest award robberies in NBA history. A rookie carrying a team to the playoffs in the tough western conference is unheard of.
:lol LeBron was easily the ROY. Anthony wasn't even a top 2 player on his own team. People like to bring in discussions about records from the previous year as to why Anthony should have won seem to conveniently forget that Marcus Camby (Denver's best player) only played 29 games in '03, and Andre Miller (Denver's second best player) played on another team.