John Wall will be better than Derrick Rose

[Samurai Swoosh]

This coming from a Bulls / Rose fan ... I feel its quite clear.

He has better vision to me, his length combined with his quickness and leaping ability is scary ... and I feel at this stage in his career he's already better skill wise all around than Rose was at the same point.

I saw Wall hit a few three pointers tonight on dead balls after the whistle. Rose practiced all summer long, and it still looks as if he can't confidently and with much strength get the ball to the rim from the NBA 3 point line with regularity, let alone be able to hit that shot consistently.

I don't think Wall is a natural PG, either. I think he's basically D. Wade version 2.0. No better necessarily, but I think eventually he will turn into a combo guard who is more natural scoring from the #2 spot, while also creating off the dribble, ala D. Wade.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Lol @ D. Wade v.2

Rose will be better then Wall, you'll see.

[Yung D-Will]

Gotta love the preseason.

Apparently it's already been decided that

The Lakers and Kobe are Washed up

Wade's not the leader of the heat anymore

Minny is gonna be the suprise team of the year

The Suns are gonna suck

Wall is gonna be better then Rose

[Yung D-Will]

Camry you not banned yet?

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Camry you not banned yet?
Why would I be?

[Undisputed]

Gotta love the preseason.

Apparently it's already been decided that

The Lakers and Kobe are Washed up

Wade's not the leader of the heat anymore

Minny is gonna be the suprise team of the year

The Suns are gonna suck

Wall is gonna be better then Rose
:oldlol: Right. What a joke.

[LA KB24]

Pretty much, he has the right mindset too. I've been saying this for a while, the kid will dominate.

Expect a few negs from the Rose homers though. :oldlol:

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Don't be a stan, bro. You watching the game? Rose is going hard as hell at Wall, seemingly to try and make a statement and Wall is on cruise control and really isn't getting out played. I've been way more impressed with some of the moves and plays Wall has made tonight.
Wall isn't playing that good, unless we are watching different games.

[Willkill24]

Gotta love the preseason.

Apparently it's already been decided that

The Lakers and Kobe are Washed up

Wade's not the leader of the heat anymore

Minny is gonna be the suprise team of the year

The Suns are gonna suck

Wall is gonna be better then Rose
:oldlol:

[Tool]

Gotta love the preseason.

Apparently it's already been decided that

The Lakers and Kobe are Washed up

Wade's not the leader of the heat anymore

Minny is gonna be the suprise team of the year

The Suns are gonna suck

Wall is gonna be better then Rose

Raptors will be the surprise team you heard it here first.

[dbugz]

I don't think Wall is a natural PG, either. I think he's basically D. Wade version 2.0. No better necessarily, but I think eventually he will turn into a combo guard who is more natural scoring from the #2 spot, while also creating off the dribble, ala D. Wade.

That D-Wade guy you're talking about already have a ring and a finals' mvp my friend. At this point, I'd rather have a cloned D-Wade than a rookie whose basketball career isn't clear yet on whether he'll be good or will be another bust come actual season's games.

[LA KB24]

Don't bust a nut, sparky. I'm talking about what I've seen from Wall the past several years in combonation with what I've seen tonight. It's not based off results from the preseason. It's based off heavy years worth of basketball intiuition and just analyzing his game off the eye test. I think he will be a better player than Rose.
+rep :cheers:

[LA KB24]

That D-Wade guy you're talking about already have a ring and a finals' mvp my friend. At this point, I'd rather have a cloned D-Wade than a rookie whose basketball career isn't clear yet on whether he'll be good or will be another bust come actual season's games.
lmao. 6'4 pg with a 6'9 wingspan and amazing court vision, great passing, great handles and an already better jumper than rose, is going to be a bust. :oldlol:

[Clocian-IGN]

and a troll thread was made by a NON-bulls fan. what I tell ya :oldlol:

[Undisputed]

lmao. 6'4 pg with a 6'9 wingspan and amazing court vision, great passing, great handles and an already better jumper than rose, is going to be a bust. :oldlol:
Already a better jumper than Rose? Wow. People are slow here.

[dbugz]

These kids don't know how to read. Where did I say he was better than Wade? Where did I say I rather have Wall than Wade? I said his physical stature and skills or more Wade than they are Rose.


LOL :roll:


Who said, I'm talking about the actual D-Wade on the term "I'd rather"? Do you know how to fckn read? You better ask that to yourself first.

I'm pretty sure you didn't get my point or your reading comprehension is sucking big time.

Read it again dumbass.

[Yung D-Will]

You can't be unbiased on these boards, bro ...

:oldlol:

I got a negative rep from some assailant who didn't have the balls to put his name on the rep and said "didn't you used to be a Rose 'troll'"

First of all, I've never been a "troll" or whatever that even means.

Second of all, I can put my bias aside and look with clear eyes on who I think has a higher potential as a player. And that player to me is Wall.

ISH really needs to get rid of this "rep" thing. It's utterly retarded.

Look at all the dumb asses in this thread who don't know how to read, or who immedietely get ass hurt over my opinion and jump to conclusions.

:facepalm


and a troll thread was made by a NON-bulls fan. what I tell ya :oldlol:
:confusedshrug:

[LA KB24]

You can't be unbiased on these boards, bro ...

:oldlol:

I got a negative rep from some assailant who didn't have the balls to put his name on the rep and said "didn't you used to be a Rose 'troll'"

First of all, I've never been a "troll" or whatever that even means.

Second of all, I can put my bias aside and look with clear eyes on who I think has a higher potential as a player. And that player to me is Wall.

ISH really needs to get rid of this "rep" thing. It's utterly retarded.

Look at all the dumb asses in this thread who don't know how to read, or who immedietely get ass hurt over my opinion and jump to conclusions.

:facepalm
I got negged too. :roll: F*cking Rose f@ggots.

It's good though, I'm subscribing to your thread for some epic bumps in the future.

[dbugz]

Already a better jumper than Rose? Wow. People are slow here.


QFT

[Clocian-IGN]

:confusedshrug:

i didn't bother too since I got red rep(can I have more please to go with my avatar?).

[Rose]

Call me when,he's played a regular season game, wins rookie of the year, takes his team to the playoffs, or carries a team.

[dbugz]

Call me when,he's played a regular season game, wins rookie of the year, takes his team to the playoffs, or carries a team.

or will break Rose's NBA record for points scored by a rookie in his playoff debut against one of the toughest defensive team on the league.


Oops too bad, Wizards will not make it to the playoffs this year. :D

[Rose]

LOL ...

Butt hurt

He's not better than him right now. Rose is three years in my dude. Yes, I know all these things. I'm a fan of Derrick.

I'm saying for the long haul, Wall's potential is higher.
I'm done comparing Rose. The only people that like Rose on this forum are Bulls fans. That's it. Everyone else is like yeah he's cool. he's all right and does his shit.

As for potential being higher. Hell if Tyrus Thomas and Gerald Green had brains....They'd be arguably the best at their positions in the NBA, but they don't. You have to cash in on potential. And Wall...hasn't.

[Rose]

or will break Rose's NBA record for points scored by a rookie in his playoff debut against one of the toughest defensive team on the league.


Oops too bad, Wizards will not make it to the playoffs this year. :D
Yeah, or have the biggest playoff debut EVER.

[LA KB24]

Call me when,he's played a regular season game, wins rookie of the year, takes his team to the playoffs, or carries a team. Did you read the thread? Or even the thread TITLE? OP said he WILL be better than him.

Right now, Wall is still a better playmaker, passer, and he actually plays DEFENSE. That's right, it may be shocking to some of you Rose homers, but that's the other half of basketball that Derrick still can't seem to grasp yet, which is pretty sad considering how athletic he is.

[Rose]

Did you read the thread? Or even the thread TITLE? OP said he WILL be better than him.

Right now, Wall is still a better playmaker, passer, and he actually plays DEFENSE. That's right, it may be shocking to some of you Rose homers, but that's the other half of basketball that Derrick still can't seem to grasp yet.
Okay Let's look at history then!
Derrick Rose in high school averaged a triple double and won the state title TWICE in public high school. something no one had ever done in Chicago.

Meanwhile, Old johnny wall couldn't keep his act together, and got cut from one of his high school teams,and then transferred and as a fifth year senior, didn't win a title. Granted there was a miracle shot that won that game.

Collegiate careers: Rose took Memphis to the championship game and didn't average 2 assists:1 turnover. Wall on the other hand averaged that, and got them to the elite 8.

In no way shape or form on any level as Wall proven to be better at Rose. Given that, it's completely irrelevant to say he will be better than Rose. Hell Tyrus Thomas has the potential to be the best power forward in the game, but is he? No. Gerald Green could be a top 3 shooting guard based on talent and potential. Is he? No.

Lots of guys have potential that never cash in on it.

[Rose]

Pre-season of his rookie year?

Can you give him a chance to ...

:facepalm
I said call me once he did a multitude of things and then we can have the debate. Lots of guys have the potential to be better than others.

Also if you want to take things out of context I can do that too.

[LA KB24]

>bulls/rose homers MAD

http://i42.tinypic.com/fnz8fo.jpg

[KABIRC]

I think he's going to be a more Lebron like Derrick Rose. What I mean is that he will be able to drive the lane faster, dunk harder, and get more points in the paint. Also his added speed is probably going to give him better passing ability as well, so I think he has a good case for rookie of the year.

[dbugz]

>bulls/rose homers MAD



Coming from someone who have Deron Williams as his avatar :roll:

Very Convincing :roll:

[Rose]

Coming from someone who have Deron Williams as his avatar :roll:

Very Convincing :roll:
True dat.

[Clocian-IGN]

ignore the trolls, I told ya this thread was gonna be made tonight. they just wanna stir something up :facepalm

[juju151111]

LOL ...

Butt hurt

He's not better than him right now. Rose is three years in my dude. Yes, I know all these things. I'm a fan of Derrick.

I'm saying for the long haul, Wall's potential is higher.
:facepalm no it's not

[Kblaze8855]

ISH really needs to get rid of this "rep" thing. It's utterly retarded.

You would never leave things as pointless as negative rep for emotional reasons huh?

Anyway..

Who knows.

All ive seen of wall is like a quarter of preseason play, a good bit of summer, and like 5 games in college. He looked good...but no better than Rose did. Actually looks slower to me in the halfcourt than Rose did when I first saw him vs NBA players.

[KG5MVP]

I believe John wall will be better than Rose

[King Kong]

I believe John wall will be better than Rose
that

[imdaman99]

You are right. Just imagine if where they played were switched and Wall was on the Bulls. The Bulls would have Wall's balls in their mouths, and dismiss Rose. Wall will average more assists than Rose because that is what PGs do, and it just seems like Wall is more of a winner than Rose. But then again, this was a preseason game :lol but I am basing what I saw out of both of them in college.

[nbastatus]

I doubt it. D-Rose is way too athletic. From what I see, Rose is much stronger, faster, and quicker. There is also Gilbert Areanas who could hold John Wall back since Gilbert is the man in the team anyway. But I do give the fact that John Wall is a better passer than Rose; his court vision is far superior.

[entropy35]

passing ability > athleticism for point guards IMO. Both are pretty athletic, but as most people have said wall is better passing ability. Obviously Rose is better right now, but coming out of college wall is quite clearly better and is looking on track to be better than rose in a couple of years, but rose will improve as well so it is really up in the air. I think wall has more potential though.

[RapsLakers]

He will...... He has everything to become one of the best player in the league! in 4 years approximately he will be the best player in the NBA.

[Undisputed]

You are right. Just imagine if where they played were switched and Wall was on the Bulls. The Bulls would have Wall's balls in their mouths, and dismiss Rose. Wall will average more assists than Rose because that is what PGs do, and it just seems like Wall is more of a winner than Rose. But then again, this was a preseason game :lol but I am basing what I saw out of both of them in college.
How was John Wall more of a winner in college when Kentucky didn't even make the Final Four? His greatest achievement so far is making that stupid hand dance popular.

If John Wall can take the Wizards to the play-offs and win rookie of the year, I will be more open to the hype. The guy has the stuff to be great, that's no doubt. I just want him to show me throughout the season and in the play-offs.

[mayo'sgrizz]

how is this even a thread gtfoh wall has done or proven shit like wtfff its fukkkkinggggg PRE fukkking SEASON!

[OnceInADECADE]

:lol @ Wall being better than Rose

the only thing Wall has on Rose is passing ability, not trying to say Rose sucks as a passer but the coaches and teammates ask him to be a scorer.

I just pray Derrick gets some calls from the refs this time

[Glide2keva]

As I've said in another thread. Rose haters will prop up anybody to say they are better than him. Rose was eating him up last night. Wall had some great flashes of brilliance, but did anyone see that steal Rose got on him? Shit was dope. Wall got a nice block on Rose too.

It was a good game from both guys overall.

[ZenMaster]

Both will be great!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs186.ash2/44961_438003243911_103368083911_5258455_6041405_n. jpg

[OnceInADECADE]

Both will be great!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs186.ash2/44961_438003243911_103368083911_5258455_6041405_n. jpg


this

:cheers: :cheers:

[Vman23]

Rose is a superior scorer to Wall, but Wall is a better passer. I think Wall is going to average 7-8 assists per game as a rookie and will comfortably always average more assists than Rose.

But Rose is a far better half court scorer. I think the Wiz are still going to have to rely on Gilbert Arenas to carry the load in the half court.

[GOBB]

Wall could end up the better player. But its way too early to make such a claim/prediction.


Gotta love the preseason.

Apparently it's already been decided that

The Lakers and Kobe are Washed up

Wade's not the leader of the heat anymore

Minny is gonna be the suprise team of the year

The Suns are gonna suck

Wall is gonna be better then Rose

Dont forget Brook Lopez will be the best Center in the NBA real soon and Evan Turner is a bust.

[305Baller]

This coming from a Bulls / Rose fan ... I feel its quite clear.

He has better vision to me, his length combined with his quickness and leaping ability is scary ... and I feel at this stage in his career he's already better skill wise all around than Rose was at the same point.

I saw Wall hit a few three pointers tonight on dead balls after the whistle. Rose practiced all summer long, and it still looks as if he can't confidently and with much strength get the ball to the rim from the NBA 3 point line with regularity, let alone be able to hit that shot.

This.

"I don't think Wall is a natural PG, either. I think he's basically D. Wade version 2.0. No better necessarily, but I think eventually he will turn into a combo guard who is more natural scoring from the #2 spot, while also creating off the dribble, ala D. Wade."

But not this.

[steve]

Wall could end up the better player. But its way too early to make such a claim/prediction.
Well, no, it's never too early to make a claim or prediction. It's far too early to assume that there will be any returns on it though.

I hope that a player of Derrick Rose's caliber/experience would be able to outplay a rookie like John Wall.

[Ikill]

John wall might be the better passer but derrick rose takes care of the ball better and is the better ball handler. John wall is one inch taller has one inch in wingspan not much of a difference considering derrick rose is much stronger and is more explosive. Other than that john wall has no advantages over rose. Derrick rose is a winner he's proved this already in high school, college and now the NBA he can a carry a team. I agree that wall will turn into a combo guard but he's not like wade he doesn't have the first step, body control, and strength that allows wade to score so easily. Physically Tyreke evans is most like wade both are 6'5 have 6'11 wingspan and weigh 220. Athletically rose is most like wade both are fast, explosive and strong. John wall kind of plays like wade because he is aggressive and agile like him but there not completely the same wade has a really unique style that is very different from any one else.

[lilojmayo]

Rose is a superior scorer to Wall, but Wall is a better passer. I think Wall is going to average 7-8 assists per game as a rookie and will comfortably always average more assists than Rose.

But Rose is a far better half court scorer. I think the Wiz are still going to have to rely on Gilbert Arenas to carry the load in the half court.

Nobody talks about the Gilbert Arenas factor. He is one of the best scorers in the NBA, it seems like everybody has forgotten about him, he is back. You can tell he has just been sleepwalking in the preseason, but he is back to old form.

He is going to make John Wall better, in the assists department. He is a blackhole when he plays point, but unlike other black holes like Allen Iverson, he is a knockdown shooter with pretty ridiculous range. Just like Wall is going to make Arenas better efficiency wise. It is the perfect combo.

That's why I drafted them in fantasy. One question though why is Kirk Hinrich starting as SF?

[Nets fan 93]

Gotta love the preseason.

Apparently it's already been decided that

The Lakers and Kobe are Washed up

Wade's not the leader of the heat anymore

Minny is gonna be the suprise team of the year

The Suns are gonna suck

Wall is gonna be better then Rose
with 2 other allstars including last years MVP... not a stupid thought.

[LA KB24]

You are right. Just imagine if where they played were switched and Wall was on the Bulls. The Bulls would have Wall's balls in their mouths, and dismiss Rose. Wall will average more assists than Rose because that is what PGs do, and it just seems like Wall is more of a winner than Rose.
:oldlol::oldlol::oldlol: so true.

[Yung D-Will]

with 2 other allstars including last years MVP... not a stupid thought.

Based on 1 preseason game.

Yes.

Yes it is.

[LA KB24]

Sup


Tonight.
29pts/13ast/9 steals. 56% shooting, Ties Wizards all time record for steals and this is only his 3rd game.

:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[Go Getter]

Sup


Tonight.
29pts/13ast/9 steals. Ties Wizards all time record for steals and this is only his 3rd game.

:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:
And 8 turnovers.

Almost had a quadruple double.

[LA KB24]

And 8 turnovers.

Almost had a quadruple double.
Lol, he'll figure it out soon. Watch.

[Scuba Steve]

And 8 turnovers.

Almost had a quadruple double.

A victory is all that matters. Funny to see the Chicago fan swarm to discredit Wall at the first opportunity.

[juju151111]

A victory is all that matters. Funny to see the Chicago fan swarm to discredit Wall at the first opportunity.
Who is discrediting Wall??? You guys are overrating the guy to no tommorrow. How is he better then DR?

[LA KB24]

He's not. Again, l2reading comprehension.

He will be soon enough though.

[eliteballer]

He'll be great but let's be honest, his competition tonight was a 20 year old who should be in college, and he got a double double too.

[Scuba Steve]

Who is discrediting Wall??? You guys are overrating the guy to no tommorrow. How is he better then DR?

He's already a better passer and defender. Who knows as far as scoring goes? It's extremely difficult to compare a rookie to a 3rd year player, though he already does a few things better.

[Go Getter]

A victory is all that matters. Funny to see the Chicago fan swarm to discredit Wall at the first opportunity.

My statement was true and unbiased. Anyone can see he had a good game.

Not great imo because a PG having more than 4 turnovers is a sin.

Notice, I wasn't applauding D. Rose's performance last night (6 to)and I'm worried about him taking care of the ball poorly this year.


Nice sock account BTW.

[Glide2keva]

You are right. Just imagine if where they played were switched and Wall was on the Bulls. The Bulls would have Wall's balls in their mouths, and dismiss Rose. Wall will average more assists than Rose because that is what PGs do, and it just seems like Wall is more of a winner than Rose. But then again, this was a preseason game :lol but I am basing what I saw out of both of them in college.
Rose played in the championship game in the NCAA tournament, while wall never got there.

But yeah he's more of a winner than rose.

[Scuba Steve]

My statement was true and unbiased. Anyone can see he had a good game.

Not great imo because a PG having more than 4 turnovers is a sin.

Notice, I wasn't applauding D. Rose's performance last night (6 to)and I'm worried about him taking care of the ball poorly this year.


Nice sock account BTW.

Your statement wasn't unbiased. You came in the thread and posted the only fault of his performance and brushed it off with sarcasm. You're clearly worried and hurt that Wall is going to be getting the same, if not more attention than Rose.

I couldn't give a damn what you think is great in terms of TO's for a point guard. John Wall had a great game.

Sock account? Right... I'm not allowed to register on a forum without going through you first... :facepalm

[alexthegr8]

My statement was true and unbiased. Anyone can see he had a good game.

Not great imo because a PG having more than 4 turnovers is a sin.

Notice, I wasn't applauding D. Rose's performance last night (6 to)and I'm worried about him taking care of the ball poorly this year.


Nice sock account BTW.

I thought that Rose's floor game was fantastic against Portland. Turnovers are going to happen, and sometimes they come in bunches for myriad reasons. Tonight, Blatche and Armstrong were directly responsible for 3 of Wall's turnovers (entry passes in the post where they allowed their man to come around them for steals), and Wall was really charged with being the catalyst for basically everything they got in the half-court in the fourth quarter and parts of overtime. Of course you would like to see less turnovers, but for what he did tonight, I don't think that they diminish his performance very much at all tbh.

Rondo had 7 turnovers when he had the 24 assists. Sometimes turnovers are the price of making things happen. You obviously don't want the high numbers to show up too often, but aggressive to's aren't the end of the world.

[Go Getter]

Your statement wasn't unbiased. You came in the thread and posted the only fault of his performance and brushed it off with sarcasm. You're clearly worried and hurt that Wall is going to be getting the same, if not more attention than Rose.

I couldn't give a damn what you think is great in terms of TO's for a point guard. John Wall had a great game.

Sock account? Right... I'm not allowed to register on a forum without going through you first... :facepalm
Methinks he doth protesteth too mucheth.

If you check my history I've said Wall does have the potential to be better than Derrick.

The fact is the post before me missed a crucial stat. Anything in the stat column above 6 should definitely be mentioned.

You dont know my mind and motives you dimestore shrink you.

Be easy.

[Go Getter]

I thought that Rose's floor game was fantastic against Portland. Turnovers are going to happen, and sometimes they come in bunches for myriad reasons. Tonight, Blatche and Armstrong were directly responsible for 3 of Wall's turnovers (entry passes in the post where they allowed their man to come around them for steals), and Wall was really charged with being the catalyst for basically everything they got in the half-court in the fourth quarter and parts of overtime. Of course you would like to see less turnovers, but for what he did tonight, I don't think that they diminish his performance very much at all tbh.

Rondo had 7 turnovers when he had the 24 assists. Sometimes turnovers are the price of making things happen. You obviously don't want the high numbers to show up too often, but aggressive to's aren't the end of the world.


I feel you but imo turnovers are a PGs worst enemy when i played nothing burned me like a turnover that's just one of my 'plexes.

[97 bulls]

:pimp:
Man swoosh, how can you call yourself a bulls fan? You have kobe for your avatar and say wall is better than rose after a few games. Sad man, really sad

[step_back]

:roll: at samurai swoosh calling himself a bulls fans.

[Yung D-Will]

I've bought into the Wall/Griffin hype completely but it's early to tell.

Wall needs to fix his turnovers and develop something outside.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I think the answer is yes. Derrick Rose is technically not a PG at all, but John Wall is.

[NuggetsFan]

:roll: at samurai swoosh calling himself a bulls fans.

Why wouldn't he be? Why can't people not be a homer. So he thinks Wall will be better than Rose? So what. Kobe Bryant doesn't even play in the same conference either. I'm all for the Nuggets, die hard fan but it's stupid when people can't love the game. Team success is the number 1 goal for any fan, but it shouldn't get in the way of being objective and enjoying the game.

As for my opinion on the subject I'd probably take my chances on Wall. Only 3 games but still. Rose is clearly the better player and will be for the rest of the year I imagine. I'd take Wall for the future tho. Looks like he's going to use his physical tools for defense unlike Rose and has a knack for getting others involved. Always disliked Rose's ability on defense and getting to the line for his physical attributes. Great player tho. Just think Wall will excel in those two area's + end up as a better play maker.

[Go Getter]

:roll: at samurai swoosh calling himself a bulls fans.
:cheers:

[jbot]

wall has one good game and out come the bandwagoners.

"this kid is a future HOFer...fap, fap, fap!!!"

dragic had one good game too. where's he at right now?

[NuggetsFan]

:cheers:

Please explain to me how that wouldn't make him a Bulls fans. Unless people know something I don't all he said was he thinks John Wall will be better in the future.

[NuggetsFan]

wall has one good game and out come the bandwagoners.

"this kid is a future HOFer...fap, fap, fap!!!"

dragic had one good game too. where's he at right now?

Bad logic considering there's a reason why he has been hyped for how long and was just the consensus number 1 pick overall. Wall has had 2 good games. Great in college. Great physical tools. Dragic is nice but probably not a good comparison considering there nowhere near each other in terms of potential or hype.

[Meticode]

It's almost like people expect you to be a fan of your team, and be illogical at the same time without having a realistic opinion.

[NuggetsFan]

It's almost like people expect you to be a fan of your team, and be illogical at the same time without having a realistic opinion.

It's almost ridiculous. I understand the ties to the team and winning games because I have that myself but to the players? I guess my fan hood is questioned as well because I believe Durant will be better than Melo in the future :oldlol:

Ty Lawson. Compare him to Magic? No thanks. I'm a Nuggets fan. Therefore GOAT PG after Billups.

[jbot]

Bad logic considering there's a reason why he has been hyped for how long and was just the consensus number 1 pick overall. Wall has had 2 good games. Great in college. Great physical tools. Dragic is nice but probably not a good comparison considering there nowhere near each other in terms of potential or hype.
i'm not comparing their individual skills, just the fact that people are jerking their shlongs over one game.

[Ikill]

Does anyone remember brandon jennings 55 point game or how about tyreke evans stpehen curry were putting empty stats on bad teams. But i'm still impressed with him i thought he would struggle scoring in his rookie season i guess i'm wrong. I don't see how Wall will be a sg he is too small and not good enough scorer he doesn't remind me of wade tyreke evans does.

[Da KO King]

I can't see either being flat out better than the other in a few years. Rose will be the better and more consistent scorer; Wall the more effective play-maker and defender.

[YouCallILose]

I think Rose/Westbrook/Wall will be competing to be the 4th best PG in the league for the next 3-4 years. I can't really separate the 3 although Rondo, Deron, and CP3 are all clearly better and will be for a long time. Nash is better atm but he will fall off soon.

[100grandman]

Rose is a far better half court scorer. I think the Wiz are still going to have to rely on Gilbert Arenas to carry the load in the half court.


I agree. Wall can't consistently get around his opponent off the dribble either. But Wall is outstanding at running the fast break.

[Ikill]

I can't see either being flat out better than the other in a few years. Rose will be the better and more consistent scorer; Wall the more effective play-maker and defender.
Yeah thats what i think too

[Go Getter]

Please explain to me how that wouldn't make him a Bulls fans. Unless people know something I don't all he said was he thinks John Wall will be better in the future.


Please explain to me where I said his thoughts on Wall made me think he wasn't a Bull's fan?

It's way deeper than that.

I too think Wall has a chance at being the best PG in the league someday....key word being chance.

Don't fall all over yourself trying to prove me wrong my thoughts have more to do with a wide array of posts (and a reoccurring theme) not just a few sentences.

[step_back]

Nuggetsfan and meticode,

Samurai swish is not a bulls fan period! I am critical about my own team. I don't think we are anywhere as good as we need to be in order to be competitive. And I don't think the sun shines out of Roses backside, but this guy just complains about all things bulls related from players to front office to fans.

By putting I'm a bulls fan is bullshit, I don't think I have ever seen him post in the bulls thread once!

[LA KB24]

wall has one good game and out come the bandwagoners.

"this kid is a future HOFer...fap, fap, fap!!!"

dragic had one good game too. where's he at right now?
Derp.
/yaself fgt.

[LA KB24]

It's almost like people expect you to be a fan of your team, and be illogical at the same time without having a realistic opinion.
Srsly.

[LA KB24]

I agree. Wall can't consistently get around his opponent off the dribble either.
:roll::roll:

You'z trollin'

[Vman23]

Wall's numbers through his first 3 games-

24ppg/10 apg/3 rpg/4 spg/46% fg/4.6 TPG

Gilbert Arenas returns on Friday, which will affect his scoring, but honestly can only help his assists. Right now he's been getting that many assists without playing with any reliable scoring threat, Gilbert will replace Hinrich which is a big difference scoring wise.

[ILLsmak]

I said this during the NCAAs. I am generally hateful when it comes to up and coming players. But a couple of the things he did in the tourney made me realize how special he was. He's got much better vision than Rose and he's basically got the same talents otherwise.

I see Wall developing a wet jumper, too.

-Smak

[Yung D-Will]

Nuggetsfan and meticode,

Samurai swish is not a bulls fan period! I am critical about my own team. I don't think we are anywhere as good as we need to be in order to be competitive. And I don't think the sun shines out of Roses backside, but this guy just complains about all things bulls related from players to front office to fans.

By putting I'm a bulls fan is bullshit, I don't think I have ever seen him post in the bulls thread once!

Nah there's one in every fanbase everyone can releate. Like for Jazz fans it's Xiao who saids Deron should ask to be traded, Stockton should have asked to be traded, Malone should have left ealier, First Sloan, Get a new owner and a new gm, the Jefferson trade didn't make sense. Nothing postive to take out of any win.

Trust me there's a samurai in every fanbase.

[Undisputed]

Like I and many others have been saying, let's see John Wall take the rookie of the year award and make some noise in the play-offs...then I'll buy into the hype.

[RajonKGcelts]

I agree. Wall can't consistently get around his opponent off the dribble either. But Wall is outstanding at running the fast break.

I completely disagree with your first statement. He routinely shows that he can get around most defenders

[DuMa]

Wall has blinding speed yes but an very average jumpshot. you best believe teams are going to adjust playing defense on him by playing him for the drive rather than the shot. defenses right now are just seeing Wall for the first time and really dont know how to play him until Wall's game is exposed a bit. Wait until Wall actually hits a rookie 'wall' and see how he recovers from that and then we can make an accurate assumption how how he will fare out compared to other elite PGs

[Sarcastic]

I agree. Wall can't consistently get around his opponent off the dribble either. But Wall is outstanding at running the fast break.

Have you ever watched him play? His problem isn't whether he can get around his opponent, because he can. His problem is going to be whether he can hit enough jumpers to keep defenses honest.

[LA KB24]

19pts/13ast/10rebs/6stls, 50%FG, 1 TO

:pimp::pimp::pimp:

[ReturnofJPR]

This coming from a Bulls / Rose fan ... I feel its quite clear.

He has better vision to me, his length combined with his quickness and leaping ability is scary ... and I feel at this stage in his career he's already better skill wise all around than Rose was at the same point.

I saw Wall hit a few three pointers tonight on dead balls after the whistle. Rose practiced all summer long, and it still looks as if he can't confidently and with much strength get the ball to the rim from the NBA 3 point line with regularity, let alone be able to hit that shot consistently.

I don't think Wall is a natural PG, either. I think he's basically D. Wade version 2.0. No better necessarily, but I think eventually he will turn into a combo guard who is more natural scoring from the #2 spot, while also creating off the dribble, ala D. Wade.

No real Bulls fan would rock a Laker avatar.

Rose has a higher ceiling. Wall won't get much better than he already is.

Rose's resume:

Year 1: Rookie of the Year

Year 2: All Star

Year 3: MVP

[ihatetimthomas]

I think the difference between Rose and Wall is Wall's court vision. He is an excellent passer and can really create with his speed. He is going to be a great player. He can get into the hole at will and is able to set up other guys. he seems to have a pretty high bball IQ and he amongst the quickest players in the league. He has awesome control for his speed.

[SourPatchKids]

Wall has blinding speed yes but an very average jumpshot. you best believe teams are going to adjust playing defense on him by playing him for the drive rather than the shot. defenses right now are just seeing Wall for the first time and really dont know how to play him until Wall's game is exposed a bit. Wait until Wall actually hits a rookie 'wall' and see how he recovers from that and then we can make an accurate assumption how how he will fare out compared to other elite PGs
Rose isn't a jumpshooter either.

[jasonresno]

Rose isn't a jumpshooter either.
If that post was dated two years ago, you'd be correct. As has been posted and proven over and over and over again, statistically, last year, D-Rose was one of the most lethal mid range shooters in the game.

So, no, that statement is patently false and probably because you don't actually watch Derrick play.

[Glide2keva]

The great thing about derrick rose is that he is so good that people have to try and find people to promote as bring better than him.

That's a testament to his greatness.

[PowerGlove]

The great thing about derrick rose is that he is so good that people have to try and find people to promote as bring better than him.

That's a testament to his greatness.
Derrick Rose has no "greatness", lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[lukekarts]

Wall could be an All Star this year.

[Vman23]

Derrick Rose has no "greatness", lets not get ahead of ourselves.

So what are Rose fans going to say when Wall makes the All-Star team THIS year!!

[Quickz]

They will both be amazing players in there own right but...

Can we wait for Wall to play some more games?? Cause he has been kinda inconsitent thus far, he has been kinda sloppy with the ball avg jumpshot from mid, 3 point , and three frow....with that said he has great court vision, amazingly fast, and his defense looks good.

A lot of rookies start off hot then once they start playing all these games there not used to it's just natural they start to fade a bit.

[Rose]

So what are Rose fans going to say when Wall makes the All-Star team THIS year!!
Rondo-Rose
Joe Johnson-Wade-Vince Carter(won't deserve it but he'll get a spot)

So it's possible. but HIGHLY doubtful.

[ReturnofJPR]

Rose deserved the All Star game Year one but didn't get it.

However, Rose did win the skills competition over Steve Nash, Deron Williams, etc. as a rookie.

[drwax26]

So what are Rose fans going to say when Wall makes the All-Star team THIS year!!

Wall isnt making the All- Star team this year. Wall isnt leading the team to the playoffs. Wall isnt scoring 30+ points in his first ever playoff game. Rondo and Rose will be the PGs. Its funny all these Wall posters talk when Wall has a good game but when he is dishing out damn near 7 turnovers in games then mugs are extra quit hmmmmm.......

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

What about Wall vs. last year draft picks for PG. Tyreke Evans, Steph Curry, Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday. He's better then the last two but what about Curry and Tyreke.

[T-bomb 25]

He will...... He has everything to become one of the best player in the league! in 4 years approximately he will be the best player in the NBA.Your on crack.lol:roll: :roll: :roll:

[steve franchise]

I'm done comparing Rose. The only people that like Rose on this forum are Bulls fans. That's it. Everyone else is like yeah he's cool. he's all right and does his shit.

As for potential being higher. Hell if Tyrus Thomas and Gerald Green had brains....They'd be arguably the best at their positions in the NBA, but they don't. You have to cash in on potential. And Wall...hasn't.
agreed :cheers:

[KG5MVP]

John Wall is as good as if not better than rose already right now, and he's 2 years younger with much more potential.

[mashbelly]

John Wall is as good as if not better than rose already right now, and he's 2 years younger with much more potential.

John Wall will be > Rondo soon enough.

[KG5MVP]

John Wall will be > Rondo soon enough.

pretty much

[Yung D-Will]

John Wall will be > Rondo soon enough.

No.

No he won't.

[KG5MVP]

Wall already has a better efficiency rating than Rose

[alenleomessi]

No.

No he won't.
And how not exactly?

[Yung D-Will]

And how not exactly?
Define what you mean by Soon enough.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Define what you mean by Soon enough.

give me Wall over Rondo rite now:applause: :applause:

[Yung D-Will]

give me Wall over Rondo rite now:applause: :applause:

O Of course.

Since you spent 90% of your time hating on Rondo on your old account I'd expect nothing less:oldlol:

[tontoz]

This thread is so lame. If you are a fan of one player why do you have to trash the other?

G.A.Y

I am not a fan of the Bulls but I like Rose. I like Wall too. I don't see why it is so hard to like both guys if you are an NBA fan.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

O Of course.

Since you spent 90% of your time hating on Rondo on your old account I'd expect nothing less:oldlol:


John Wall>>>Rondo and it not funny

What does Rondo do better than Wall?

[Rose]

I am not a fan of the Bulls but I like Rose.
NOT ALLOWED.
No really you like Rose...and you're not a Bulls fan?!?!?!?! that's...almost amazing:lol

[Rose]

John Wall>>>Rondo and it not funny

What does Rondo do better than Wall?
Defense, not turn it over, win, clutch....

[Samurai Swoosh]

This thread is so lame. If you are a fan of one player why do you have to trash the other?
Where am I bashing Rose? I am a fan of Derrick Rose ...

Just giving unbiased basketball evaluations.

[Yung D-Will]

John Wall>>>Rondo and it not funny

What does Rondo do better than Wall?

Is this a serioes question.

Why aren't you banned again?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Is this a serioes question.

Why aren't you banned again?

explain to me how Rondo is better than Wall

[step_back]

This thread is so lame. If you are a fan of one player why do you have to trash the other?

G.A.Y

I am not a fan of the Bulls but I like Rose. I like Wall too. I don't see why it is so hard to like both guys if you are an NBA fan.

you can, Wall has shown that he can be a great player, his triple double was fantastic and overall I would say he is playing above what everyone expected.

But people instead seem to trash another player to somehow make the other seem that much better. It's the same as the Kobe/Jordan argument. Trashing ones name doesn't make the other look better, it if anything is detrimental to your argument.

The ones who do it on here I have a harder time taking them seriously as NBA fans......that includes people who support the same team as me.

[Yung D-Will]

explain to me how Rondo is better than Wall

Rondo's a smarter player
Better defender
Better Passer
Better rebounder
Less turnover prone

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Rondo's a smarter player
Better defender
Better Passer
Better rebounder
Less turnover prone
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

i'm done with you
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[mashbelly]

Rondo's a smarter player
Better defender
Better Passer
Better rebounder
Less turnover prone

not for long

[Yung D-Will]

Lmao I've been hearing how Blake Griffin is better then 90% of the big men in the leauge and now I'm hearing how wall is better than Rondo.


:roll: :roll:

[Mr Clutch Melo]

explain to me how Rondo is better than Wall

You're soo hung up on Walls highlight plays:facepalm

Rondo is better than Wall at everything besides shooting ( and Wall is not much better).

[Yung D-Will]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

i'm done with you
:oldlol: :oldlol:



Haha it's funny cause you actually said you'd stop hating on this account.

But you know what they say

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/haters-gonna-hate-32402-1270523864-286.jpg

[PP34Deuce]

Honestly I think the PG class is too strong to make a clear cut winner. Its similar to the 2002-2006 Era where we had Tracy Mcgrady,Kobe,Paul Pierce,AI, Vince Carter battling for top swingmen.

I still think number one guy is Chris Paul and Deron Williams followed by ROndo. There wont be a clear cut PG in todays game.

Best pure PG-Rajon Rondo without a doubt
Best overall PG in todays game-Paul or Williams

[DC Zephyrs]

Define what you mean by Soon enough.

Wall isn't even that much worse than Rondo right now. He can already do most of the things Rondo can in terms of passing and defense, and he is a much better scorer overall. Add in the fact that he's only 20 years old, and there might not be a player with more upside in the entire league. In fact, I would bet on him averaging 20/10 as soon as next year.

[Rose]

Lmao I've been hearing how Blake Griffin is better then 90% of the big men in the leauge and now I'm hearing how wall is better than Rondo.


:roll: :roll:
This.

[Droid101]

Wall has more assists through the first six games of a career than anyone in history (beating Oscar by 1).

This kid is for real.

[lefthook00]

Rondo's a smarter player
Better defender
Better Passer
Better rebounder
Less turnover prone

I agree. That's what it is, for now. They are both getting better.

And Rose can obviously jump way higher than Wall, but dare I say that Wall's first step is quicker than Rose's?

[Boogaboog]

Wall isn't even that much worse than Rondo right now. He can already do most of the things Rondo can in terms of passing and defense, and he is a much better scorer overall. Add in the fact that he's only 20 years old, and there might not be a player with more upside in the entire league. In fact, I would bet on him averaging 20/10 as soon as next year.

This. And I think Rondo is awesome.

[TDPrime2030]

Hmm....Rose right now is playing MVP Caliber basketball. I have him ranked 2nd for the MVP right now, and many have this guy winning the MVP at the end of the season. He is carrying this Bulls team right now, and he's winning games. Wall? He has been injured, not winning games, but then again he is playing for the Wizards.

I want to see Wall do more so, so they'll have to trade Arenas.

[TheAnchorman]

Wall cannot ankle-break as well as D-Rose :pimp: , I would dare say that Rose's change of direction is just as good as Prime Wade's (and of course, the potential to get even better) and approaching that of Iverson's.

[TDPrime2030]

Rose has been playing like an MVP. When Wall has been playing he's been mighty impressive himself. You clearly haven't been watching HIM ... and yea, he plays for the Wizards. Take that into account in terms of Wins / Losses
Wall has been playing impressive sure......but Rose always improves in an area every season. This season he has improved tremendously on his 3-pt shooting, while Wall isn't much of a threat from any range.

Wall may have more potential than Rose, but it doesn't mean shit when you don't use it all the way... Because Vince Carter had more potential than Kobe Bryant....doesn't mean shit if you look back upon it now. :oldlol:

[SinJackal]

Rose: Huge stats while carrying a winning, overachieving team that's missing it's second best player = MVP caliber player

Wall: Nice stats on a loser team = fart noise

Rose > Wall


Wall could be a really good PG eventually (is good now), but better than Rose? At this point, I'm gonna say no. Rose is the 3rd best PG in the NBA right now, and is closer to the Paul/Williams category than he is to the category the 4th best PG is in.

Wall's gonna have to get a LOT better to surpass Rose. And I don't think he'll ever be the scorer Rose is. He's going to have to bank on the 10-11 APG stat to make his case. and maybe if he can average 2.5-3 SPG too, along with 19-20 PPG. Then I could see perhaps an argument. But again, Rose is tossing out like 26.5/4.5/8.5 right now. Not easy to top.

And gasp, Rose is still getting better.

[magnax1]

But Wall is still considerably better then Rose was in his rookie season. Not quite the scorer, but he's already a great defender, and better passer then Rose is now. Wall is having one of the best rookie seasons for a point ever at this point. I sort of find it hard to believe he can even keep it up.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

But Wall is still considerably better then Rose was in his rookie season. Not quite the scorer, but he's already a great defender, and better passer then Rose is now. Wall is having one of the best rookie seasons for a point ever at this point. I sort of find it hard to believe he can even keep it up.
Nice stats while losing=Doesn't mean shit

[TheAnchorman]

Just keep in mind we were hailing Jennings as the next Iverson by the end of last November because of his early strong showing and that double nickel... then the Rookie Wall hit him. Let's see if Wall can beat the Wall as well.

[MasterDurant24]

Wall has the potential to be one of the absolute greatest point guards of all time.

[az00m]

Wall has the potential to be one of the absolute greatest point guards of all time.

Magic Johnson says lol

Potential doesn't mean shit these days when you don't push it to the limit and make yourself a greater player.

[Glide2keva]

Nice stats while losing=Doesn't mean shit
It's like being the tallest midget.

[Glide2keva]

Wall has the potential to be one of the absolute greatest point guards of all time.
And the overrating continues.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

And the overrating continues.
:lol

[Dengness9]

Samurai, I respect you as a poster but all your comments in this thread are weak to me. You went overboard on overrating Wall from the get go of this thread, WHEN comparing him to Rose.


John Wall is the real deal. An absolute stud and future hall of famer.

But Rose has shown the doubters once again how great he is. Rose is on the cover of SLAM saying he wants to be MVP.

Well Lil bro wasn't lying.

D-Rose is assasinating players and teams nightly, probably playing the best bball in the league right now.

Wall has a long way to go before he can be in the same class as Rose. BTW, Wall is on almost all my fantasy teams and I have league pass. So yes I am aware of what he's done this season. Too bad the kid can't stay healthy and has now missed atleast 5-6 games.

[MasterDurant24]

Magic Johnson says lol

Potential doesn't mean shit these days when you don't push it to the limit and make yourself a greater player.
Okay, but I can still say he has a bunch of potential. John Wall is the quickest point guard of all time, plays incredible defense, is a great passer, is fantastic at driving to the basket, and has a jumpshot thats getting better and better. Magic, on the other hand, couldn't guard guards and most of the time would pass the ball off and go post up. He wasn't that good of a jumpshooter either. I may be the only one to think Magic was more of a point forward than an actual point guard. Now I'm not saying that Wall will be better than Magic(I doubt it) or other greats like Isiah, Clyde, Stockton, or Kidd. But I have no doubt in my mind that he'll rank among the best. Dont worry, Rose will as well.

[LA KB24]

Nice stats while losing=Doesn't mean shit
:facepalm

[OldSchoolBBall]

John Wall is the quickest point guard of all time, plays incredible defense

Uhh, not even close.

[Svendiggity]

Derrick Rose is the most athletic point guard of all time. /end thread

[Svendiggity]

Me a Rose fan LOL @ yall ninjas acting like Rose put up amazing stats as a rookie and was leading the Bulls single handedly.

:facepalm

With a roster much better than what he has in Washington.

Full of malcontents, divas, wannabe stars, etc. He doesn't have a quality basketball team there.

Who cares about the roster? Rose is obviously the better player regardless of stats

[TDPrime2030]

Right now? W/o a doubt. As I've said, Wall has a higher celing IMO. Wall can be more like Wade, with his ridiculous combonation of speed, quickness, leaping ability, court vision, length and size
I don't think either one of them is like Wade or can be like Wade or would even want to be like Wade....I personally thought before that Rose was going to be the next Dwynae Wade, mainly because I thought Rose was a score-first PG. Turns out I was dead wrong and that I have definitely not watched enough Bulls games.

I don't think Wall is too similar to Wade either. He is already way better of a passer and has much better court-vision than Wade does.

Wall will be Wall, Rose will be Rose, Wade will be Wade. No need to compare. They will all be stars, superstars, and future hall of famers.

[Pharcyde]

but he's already a great defender,

Really?

[Undisputed]

We have a copy cat of this thread, so why not bump? :D

[NuggetsFan]

Still kinda stick to my prediction. All tho I must admit with Rose adding a 3 point shot\getting to the line better\playing defense I probably seem like an idiot. Rose was OBVIOUSLY better this year, and probably will be better next year too(didn't bank on that before) but I still think Wall's attributes will make him better at that PG positon. Rose will probably always be the better scorer but John Wall's court vision is pretty impressive. Considering he's playing on the Wizards and can still drop 9 dimes in his rookie year? I don't think it's a stretch to assume he'll hit in between 10-13 at some point in his career. He was pretty similair to Rose coming out so if he can even make half the strides Rose did with his jumper than he should eventually be able to be a scoring threat in the mold of 15-20 points a game. Defensively? Both have the same attributes to be a great in that area but John Wall seems to have a better feeling for the passing lanes.

End of the day tho Rose is playing MVP caliber basketball. What I just wrote is basically speculation to have a lil fun. Just a personal prediction. Wouldn't bet my life on it or anything. So Bulls Fans no need to get upset because I realize at this point Rose is MUCH better, I'm just messing around with a lil thing called potentail.