MJ on KB24: "I would say he has got to be in the Top 10."

[BigBalla44]

Of course, there's always the comparison of you and Kobe Bryant. Where does Kobe stand in the status of NBA players through history?
It's so hard to say. I think he is always going to be within the conversations of some of the greatest players who've played by the time he is finished. Where does he rank among those, if you are talking about positions? If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the Top 10

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/10/michael-jordan-and-2k-sports-talk-nba-2k11-/1?loc=interstitialskip

Cool story bro

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

MJ is praying kobe doesnt win any more rings.

[jstern]

Top ten guards of all time? I agree.

Remember, that includes Point Guards.

[ImmortalD24]

http://i52.tinypic.com/6fo8bk.jpg


Wait.. Is this good or bad?

[evilmonkey]

Top 10 amongst guards? Well.... doh!

[PHILA]

Congrats. :applause:

[KenneBell]

http://i52.tinypic.com/6fo8bk.jpg


Wait.. Is this good or bad?
:roll:

MJ dropping sublminals.

It's on this season.

[asdf1990]

Of course, there's always the comparison of you and Kobe Bryant. Where does Kobe stand in the status of NBA players through history?
It's so hard to say. I think he is always going to be within the conversations of some of the greatest players who've played by the time he is finished. Where does he rank among those, if you are talking about positions? If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the Top 10

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/10/michael-jordan-and-2k-sports-talk-nba-2k11-/1?loc=interstitialskip

Cool story bro

nice try but u failed.

[evilmonkey]

I think this was more interesting:

How has the game changed from your playing days?
Jordan: It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously. Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points.

[BigBalla44]

nice try but u failed.

Couldnt fit the whole sentence in the subject field and I did quote the whole question in this post. Check my post history if you think Im one of those people. There is no agenda here. Relax.

[chomskytool]

anyone who actually watched jordan play would not disagree with any thing he says in this article, especially with the part about 100 pts in a game.

mj scored over 60 against one of the GOAT teams of all times in the Playoffs
kobe scored 81 against one of the worst teams in the league in the regular season.


if anyone doesnt think jordan couldn't match or exceed 100 points in how the game is played now, your simply an idiot and a hater.

remember again freakin David Robinson scored 70 in a game.....again the regular freakin season!!!

we are talking about prime Jordan!!!

[catch24]

I think this was more interesting:

How has the game changed from your playing days?
Jordan: It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously. Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points.

:roll:

I don't know about 100 points, but man oh man, he'd have a field day with these weak ass rules.

[Allstar24]

MJ is praying kobe doesnt win any more rings.
Haha. Probably true.

[PowerGlove]

:roll:

I don't know about 100 points, but man oh man, he'd have a field day with these weak ass rules.
Yes.

[RoseCity07]

If Kobe got 10 rings it would not be an indictation he is a better player than Jordan.

[evilmonkey]

:roll:

I don't know about 100 points, but man oh man, he'd have a field day with these weak ass rules.

I can agree with that, i do really think he could get 100 pts though...

[catch24]

Yes.

:bowdown:

[OldSchoolBBall]

:roll:

I don't know about 100 points, but man oh man, he'd have a field day with these weak ass rules.

Agreed. No where near 100 (is he crazy? :oldlol:), but I can see multiple games of 65-75 from age 24-30, maybe an outlier of 80ish.

[SinJackal]

With how everyone here's upset about his comments. . .

What exactly could he have possibly said to make everyone happy? You know he's not going to say Kobe's better than him. What did you guys expect, since you knew he wasn't going to say that?

He was saying he was one of the best guards ever, but that's bad since he didn't say top 2-3? :\



MJ is praying kobe doesnt win any more rings.

imo he's still better even if Kobe does win another ring or two. If he matches MJ's rings, that's just one thing to check off on the checklist of simply breaking even with him. There are many other things he still hasn't done, and at this point. . .physically can't make up anymore. (The MVPs, Finals MVPs, scoring titles, career averages, season averages, Finals and playoffs averages, and debatably his window to win a DPOY has closed too).

What Kobe can still do, is win another ring or two (and not neccessarily over the next two years).

If anything, I'd say Kobe is praying Phil Jackson and the Lakers ownership don't pack it in after this season, and praying they win two more titles. . .since having one more ring than Jordan is his only hope of being even debatably equal to or better than him since he doesn't measure up in any other greatness category.

MJ might've been worried back right after the first Shaq/Kobe three peat, since it's like whoa, halfway there already and he's starting to put up good numbers. But the years in between that and this last back to back title run for L.A. pretty much killed his chances of surpassing. MJ ain't worried anymore.

Not tryin' to hate, just sayin'. Best Kobe can do is be the #2-3 guard at this point, which isn't exactly a bad thing. I think he's already reached #3 guard status actually, I only consider Magic to be a better all time guard now. He's also cracked the top 10 GOAT list for most people already too.

But MJ worried? Nah.

[SinJackal]

anyone who actually watched jordan play would not disagree with any thing he says in this article, especially with the part about 100 pts in a game.

mj scored over 60 against one of the GOAT teams of all times in the Playoffs
kobe scored 81 against one of the worst teams in the league in the regular season.


if anyone doesnt think jordan couldn't match or exceed 100 points in how the game is played now, your simply an idiot and a hater.

remember again freakin David Robinson scored 70 in a game.....again the regular freakin season!!!

we are talking about prime Jordan!!!

You talk as if David Robinson is a scrub or something. He was averaging almost 30 PPG that year. And he was banging fadeaways and beating double teams and dunking all over people the whole game.

I hate how people diminish that performance. Guys were defending him hard the whole game. .and it was a close game until the 4th quarter (and he already had 55ish points and sealed the scoring title for the season before it started to become a blowout).

Highlights of game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRB4qIzDXy0

[OldSchoolBBall]

Honestly, MJ in the past has shown that he respects the history of the game. It wouldn't surprise me if he's talking more from a "best player" perspective than from a "career resume" perspective. And if that's the case, he's probably thinking of guys like Magic, West, Oscar, and himself. Maybe Dr. J if he's considering him a guard. All those guys have a case as being just as good as Kobe or even superior peak vs. peak in terms of level of play. Still, top 10 is stretching it a bit since those are the only ones with a case imo; I just think he didn't really consider it long enough before he answered.

[BallsOut]

I like it. Rather than saying top 2 or top 3, MJ says top 10. More fuel for Bryant this upcoming season. You know dude needs that fuel.

[JM720]

With how everyone here's upset about his comments. . .



No one before your post sounded upset.

[SinJackal]

No one before your post sounded upset.

I didn't sound upset either, so there's that.

Couple people were upset he said, "top 10 guards", instead of using a lower number. He wasn't saying he was the #10 guard. I mean, technically Jordan's a "top 10 guard".

He was prolly just trying to be sarcastic by not saying top 5 or top 3 or whatever for guards. We all know Kobe's in the top 10 for GOAT, so it don't matter.

[seoerizer]

If Kobe got 10 rings it would not be an indictation he is a better player than Jordan.
This.

[LA KB24]

I think this was more interesting:

How has the game changed from your playing days?
Jordan: It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously. Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points. MJ = truth.

[The_Yearning]

Man ***** please. Jordan knows Kobe is top 10 period :oldlol:

[theaussieguy]

anyone who actually watched jordan play would not disagree with any thing he says in this article, especially with the part about 100 pts in a game.

mj scored over 60 against one of the GOAT teams of all times in the Playoffs
kobe scored 81 against one of the worst teams in the league in the regular season.


if anyone doesnt think jordan couldn't match or exceed 100 points in how the game is played now, your simply an idiot and a hater.

remember again freakin David Robinson scored 70 in a game.....again the regular freakin season!!!

we are talking about prime Jordan!!!


even so you sound like 5 year old defending his best pokemon card

[Willkill24]

Does this mean Kobe is not the GOAT ? :banghead:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

anyone who actually watched jordan play would not disagree with any thing he says in this article, especially with the part about 100 pts in a game.

mj scored over 60 against one of the GOAT teams of all times in the Playoffs
kobe scored 81 against one of the worst teams in the league in the regular season.


if anyone doesnt think jordan couldn't match or exceed 100 points in how the game is played now, your simply an idiot and a hater.

remember again freakin David Robinson scored 70 in a game.....again the regular freakin season!!!

we are talking about prime Jordan!!!

LOL.
MJ also played against some of the worst teams of all time and he never whiffed anywhere close to 81. MJ played in the era of expansion teams.

[ranigma]

LOL.
MJ also played against some of the worst teams of all time and he never whiffed anywhere close to 81. MJ played in the era of expansion teams.
Because he never cared about dropping big numbers against weak teams.

[chomskytool]

Because he never cared about dropping big numbers against weak teams.


bingo!

[Ne 1]

mj scored over 60 against one of the GOAT teams of all times

Playing against who? Danny Ainge. :roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol: Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.

[LBJ_MVP09]

Because he never cared about dropping big numbers against weak teams.

QFT. The Jordan that dropped 63 on Boston could EASILY have scored 100 against that Raptors team. That Celtics team is >>>>>>>>> than that Raptors team on Defense. It isn't close at all.

[Ne 1]

LOL.
MJ also played against some of the worst teams of all time and he never whiffed anywhere close to 81. MJ played in the era of expansion teams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57WjbKSoJ0

[BigBalla44]

Playing against who? Danny Ainge. :roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol: Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.

cool

[BlueandGold]

Playing against who? Danny Ainge. :roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol: Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.

:oldlol:

[JustinJDW]

MJ is praying kobe doesnt win any more rings.Lol, sure.

[comerb]

MJ is praying kobe doesnt win any more rings.

Kobe could win 10 more rings and he still wouldn't threaten Jordan's legacy.

[Ne 1]

Why do MJ fan boys act so insecure every time Kobe vs Jordan is brought up?

It's obvious they feel threatened because they fail to give Kobe any credit whatsoever and they only bring up his shortcomings and downplay anything great that he does and continue to constantly bash and diminish him what ever chance they get. You can't tell me Jordan fans aren't outraged and infuriated when the media always compares them and creates these segments about ''Kobe chasing Jordan'' and Kobe being the heir apparent. Kobe might not be Jordan but he is the closest thing we have to him. I believe deep down Jordan fans that grew up with MJ as their childhood hero (the majority of people on this site) just wish Kobe would have went down as one of the many ''next Jordan'' players that failed to live up to expectations. e.g. Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Harold Minor, Jerry Stackhouse, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Tracy Mcgrady etc.

Some people have put Jordan up on a pedestal and they are under this illusion that MJ is untouchable and by far and away the clear, undisputed greatest. To them Jordan being the GOAT is an undisputed scientific fact and not an opinion and anyone who disagrees committed blasphemy.

Honesty, I cant blame Jordan though because making people love him is what he did best. The NBA has immortalized Jordan's image and the fact that Kobe Bryant has come in trying to take the "best player ever" crown from Jordan threatens his fans so they disregard Kobe's achievements and and disrespect his game.

Jordan is ascribed god-like qualities at times by his biggest fans and they hate Kobe because he is the closest we have ever seen to Jordan and they think that is wrong, which I think is stupid. They just wont accept anything that might ruin Jordan's ''legacy''.

Kobe isn't on MJ's level yet but Kobe's career is far from over. Dude is only 32 years old and to be honest it's really pointless to really compare them right now. Let's wait until he retires.

[BigBalla44]

Why do MJ fan boys act so insecure every time Kobe vs Jordan is brought up?

It's obvious they feel threatened because they fail to give Kobe any credit whatsoever and they only bring up his shortcomings and downplay anything great that he does and continue to constantly bash and diminish him what ever chance they get. You can't tell me Jordan fans aren't outraged and infuriated when the media always compares them and creates these segments about ''Kobe chasing Jordan'' and Kobe being the heir apparent. Kobe might not be Jordan but he is the closest thing we have to him. I believe deep down Jordan fans that grew up with MJ as their childhood hero (the majority of people on this site) just wish Kobe would have went down as one of the many ''next Jordan'' players that failed to live up to expectations. e.g. Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Harold Minor, Jerry Stackhouse, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Tracy Mcgrady etc.

Some people have put Jordan up on a pedestal and they are under this illusion that MJ is untouchable and by far and away the clear, undisputed greatest. To them Jordan being the GOAT is an undisputed scientific fact and not an opinion and anyone who disagrees committed blasphemy.

Honesty, I cant blame Jordan though because making people love him is what he did best. The NBA has immortalized Jordan's image and the fact that Kobe Bryant has come in trying to take the "best player ever" crown from Jordan threatens his fans so they disregard Kobe's achievements and and disrespect his game.

Jordan is ascribed god-like qualities at times by his biggest fans and they hate Kobe because he is the closest we have ever seen to Jordan and they think that is wrong, which I think is stupid. They just wont accept anything that might ruin Jordan's ''legacy''.

Kobe isn't on MJ's level yet but Kobe's career is far from over. Dude is only 32 years old and to be honest it's really pointless to really compare them right now. Let's wait until he retires.

Awesome

[comerb]

Playing against who? Danny Ainge. :roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.


You mean like Gary Payton, Joe Dumars, and John Starks?

Lets not forgot how ridiculously superior the bigs of Jordan's era were. Or how defenders where allowed to be much more physical before the repeal of the hand checking rule.

Sorry bud, but your just completely and totally wrong. It would be plain scary to see what prime Jordan could do in the league today.

[catch24]

Why do MJ fan boys act so insecure every time Kobe vs Jordan is brought up?

It's obvious they feel threatened because they fail to give Kobe any credit whatsoever and they only bring up his shortcomings and downplay anything great that he does and continue to constantly bash and diminish him what ever chance they get. You can't tell me Jordan fans aren't outraged and infuriated when the media always compares them and creates these segments about ''Kobe chasing Jordan'' and Kobe being the heir apparent. Kobe might not be Jordan but he is the closest thing we have to him. I believe deep down Jordan fans that grew up with MJ as their childhood hero (the majority of people on this site) just wish Kobe would have went down as one of the many ''next Jordan'' players that failed to live up to expectations. e.g. Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Harold Minor, Jerry Stackhouse, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Tracy Mcgrady etc.


Then why do MJ fan boys act so insecure every time Kobe vs Jordan is brought up?

It's obvious they feel threatened because they fail to give Kobe any credit whatsoever and they only bring up his shortcomings and downplay anything great that he does and continue to constantly bash and diminish him what ever chance they get. You can't tell me Jordan fans aren't outraged and infuriated when the media always compares them and creates these segments about ''Kobe chasing Jordan'' and Kobe being the heir apparent. Kobe might not be Jordan but he is the closest thing we have to him. I believe deep down Jordan fans that grew up with MJ as their childhood hero (the majority of people on this site) just wish Kobe would have went down as one of the many ''next Jordan'' players that failed to live up to expectations. e.g. Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Harold Minor, Jerry Stackhouse, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Tracy Mcgrady etc.

Some people have put Jordan up on a pedestal and they are under this illusion that MJ is untouchable and by far and away the clear, undisputed greatest. To them Jordan being the GOAT is an undisputed scientific fact and not an opinion and anyone who disagrees committed blasphemy.

Honesty, I cant blame Jordan though because making people love him is what he did best. The NBA has immortalized Jordan's image and the fact that Kobe Bryant has come in trying to take the "best player ever" crown from Jordan threatens his fans so they disregard Kobe's achievements and and disrespect his game.

Jordan is ascribed god-like qualities at times by his biggest fans and they hate Kobe because he is the closest we have ever seen to Jordan and they think that is wrong, which I think is stupid. They just wont accept anything that might ruin Jordan's ''legacy''.

Also I already know Kobe isn't on MJ's level but Kobe's career is far from over. Dude is only 32 years old and to be honest it's really pointless to really compare them right now.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189270&page=4

Welcome back, kiddo!

[comerb]

Why do MJ fan boys act so insecure every time Kobe vs Jordan is brought up?



Insecure isn't the feeling. It's more of flabbergasted at the ridiculousness of it.

[LA KB24]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189270&page=4

Welcome back, kiddo!
:roll::roll::roll:

[NuggetsFan]

Haha. Probably true.

Why? He'd have 6 rings. Russel has 11. Big deal. MJ probably doesn't care. He was just on the cover of 2k11 for christ sakes :oldlol:

[305Baller]

Only one thing can settle this: nba 2k11

[AirJordan&Magic]

anyone who actually watched jordan play would not disagree with any thing he says in this article, especially with the part about 100 pts in a game.

mj scored over 60 against one of the GOAT teams of all times in the Playoffs
kobe scored 81 against one of the worst teams in the league in the regular season.


if anyone doesnt think jordan couldn't match or exceed 100 points in how the game is played now, your simply an idiot and a hater.

remember again freakin David Robinson scored 70 in a game.....again the regular freakin season!!!

we are talking about prime Jordan!!!

Wait, so it's idiotic to think that Jordan would not score 100 points in today's game, despite the fact that he has never done so?
Despite the fact that Wilt Chamberlain was the only one to ever do this?...

And who cares. Michael Jordan scored 63 points (it took a double overtime, btw) and his team still lost.
I agree somewhat with all of Jordan's comment, except that 100 points part.

I know Kobe is not a likeable person but people really need to stop using this "The Raptors sucked nonsense".
Scoring 81 points on any kind of defense is something very rare to see.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Michael Jordan would have a field day against the perimeter players of today. It will be quite laughable.

If Michael Jordan at age 38 was able to hold his own against a prime Kobe Bryant, then I cannot see him having any problems today if he was in his prime.

[sekachu]

Playing against who? Danny Ainge. :roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol: Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.


tell me why kobe has trouble against ray allen and tony allen (both 6'4) in the final then?

[jstern]

tell me why kobe has trouble against ray allen and tony allen (both 6'4) in the final then?
Because they're faster, stronger, and have more technology than the 90s players because of GNC.

[raptorfan_dr07]

just wish Kobe would have went down as one of the many ''next Jordan'' players that failed to live up to expectations. e.g. Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Harold Minor, Jerry Stackhouse, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Tracy Mcgrady etc.


Kobe "failed" to live up to expectations as well. The ONLY thing that separates him from those other guys is Shaquille O'Neal, and THAT's the TRUTH. Stick his overrated @$$ in Charlotte like he should have been, and his career follows the same path as AI, T-Mac, VC, etc. . . Like I said in another thread, the blowing out of proportion, hype train of Kobe Bryant's manufactured career continues. . .

Told you all Alphawolf would be banned again. I guess Ne1 is the next in a long list of usernames(Alphawolf, Soopa, Desperado, etc). Just keep reporting his posts and maybe, just maybe, he'll get the hint and leave. We ran KB42PAH out of here, we ran Bladers out of here, we ran griffmoney out of here, those were the worst of the worst Kobe trolls. We even got Cantstop/Kobe24 to tone his act way down. This guy, along with Jacks, are the last of them.

[KG215]

Only one thing can settle this: nba 2k11

Averaging 48/7/7/3 on 51% shooting through 5 games in association mode with '95-'96 Jordan and the Bulls. :D

Not sure if that means anything.

[Jacks3]

Kobe "failed" to live up to expectations as well. The ONLY thing that separates him from those other guys is Shaquille O'Neal, and THAT's the TRUTH.

Kobe without Shaq (04-10):

3 Finals
2 Championships
2X Finals MVP
2X All-Star MVP
2X Scoring Champ
1X Regular Season MVP
5X All-NBA First Team
5X All-NBA 1st Team Defense


Regular Season Numbers: 29.5/5.6/5.2/1.6 on 46%/35%/84%/56%
Playoff Numbers: 29.8/5.7/5.4/1.5 on 47%/35%/84%/57%

:confusedshrug:

[StarJordan]

Sheryl swoopes once scored like a 100 aginst some opponent, hah..81 against toronto a high school team almost is like 50 against the 1993 knicks. ....mj has a higher scoring average than kobe he owns his ass in everything, every stat from start to finish.. If prime jordan played against prime kobe 5 times, mj wouild beat his ass 1 on 1 5-0.

[KenneBell]

Kobe without Shaq (04-10):

3 Finals
2 Championships
2X Finals MVP
2X All-Star MVP
2X Scoring Champ
1X Regular Season MVP
5X All-NBA First Team
5X All-NBA 1st Team Defense


Regular Season Numbers: 29.5/5.6/5.2/1.6 on 46%/35%/84%/56%
Playoff Numbers: 29.8/5.7/5.4/1.5 on 47%/35%/84%/57%

:confusedshrug:
:applause:

[HBKMGa]

Kobe could win 10 more rings and he still wouldn't threaten Jordan's legacy.

15 Rings with 15 Finals MVPs would be insane!!!

[chomskytool]

so for all the butt hurt posters, who think it is somehow impossible for mj to score 100, again explain this to me....
the guy who has 10 scoring titles.....
the guy by all statistical measures was a better scorer than kobe....
the guy who also by far had higher scoring games than kobe in the playoffs
where the level of competition is far greater than the reg season

again, in the way the game is called today, would not challenge for 100 pts??


seriously?

the reason i brought up david robinson in my intial post was not to put down the admiral as another poster thought, but to point out the fact that under the right circumstances( Drob going for the scoring title over shaq) he suddenly was able to score 70 freaking points in a meaningless reg season game.

again Kobe scores basically 10 pts more, again in freaking regular season game..and suddenly jordan couldn't exceed this?????

If we all agree prime jordan is at least equally mentally strong as kobe is, and agree that jordan is at least the driver and able to draw FTs as a prime wade, and is at least as dangerous as lebron in the open court......you really think this monster of a player, with todays soft rules, in reg. season game, if he absolutley put his mind to it ( see kobes 81 game and Drob 70 point) could not reach 100. again you are simply a delusion, ignorant jordan hater.....

i loved drexler growing up....i hated mj......but i respect his greatness...and realize that all the hype that Jordan got makes alot of todays fans question if he truly was the goat or even that great.....trust me in this case true greatness was the cause of the hype.....

a player that would draw fouls at higher rate than prime wade, that has prime kobe's post game and midrange, and prime lebron's open court capabilities coupled with a pathologic mentality to crush his opponents and prove himself against every percieved and invented slight.......u really think this guy wouldnt challenge for 100 pts in a regular season game if he set his mind to it??? when lesser players can score 70 or 80?

[KenneBell]

again Kobe scores basically 10 pts more, again in freaking regular season game..and suddenly jordan couldn't exceed this?????
Because honestly, MJ wasn't that type of scorer IMO. Very consistent, very efficient but I don't think I've seen a player get ridiculously hot like Kobe does. You can put your mind to it all you want, but you can't replicate things like that 81 points just because you want to.

Also remember that the 69 point game was an OT one.

MJ could probably put up 65-75 multiple times no problem in today's league but 100? Nah...

[chomskytool]

Because honestly, MJ wasn't that type of scorer IMO. Very consistent, very efficient but I don't think I've seen a player get ridiculously hot like Kobe does. You can put your mind to it all you want, but you can't replicate things like that 81 points just because you want to.

Also remember that the 69 point game was an OT one.

MJ could probably put up 65-75 no problem in today's league but 100? Nah...


really MJ wasnt that type of scorer???

because we obviously know by todays game that mj ability to draw fouls and fts, would make up for his 3pt shooting when compared to bryant.....

no one said u can put up 81 cause u wanted to... of course bryant can put 81 on very specific conditions......reg season....toronto raptors.....insanely hot from the field....etc......again there is a reason why he never scored more than 50pts in the playoff...only like once??? i think.....alot harder to score in the playoffs!!!!

yet mj who has scored how many 50pt games in the playoffs, avg over 40ppg in the freaking finals.... suddenly 100 is so out reach in the regular season???

i dont buy it..... thats why drob game is so important to understand..... if he didnt score 70...i probably would consider what u are saying and say that kobes game was such a true outlier.... but again u have take in account the cirumstances and the player.....

all i can say is that if kobe can score 81 in modern game during the reg season... i have no doubt jordan under similiar cirumstances would meet this and approach 100pts.....prove to me jordan just wasnt that type of scorer??? by what objective measure???

[KenneBell]

really MJ wasnt that type of scorer???

because we obviously know by todays game that mj ability to draw fouls and fts, would make up for his 3pt shooting when compared to bryant.....

no one said u can put up 81 cause u wanted to... of course bryant can put 81 on very specific conditions......reg season....toronto raptors.....insanely hot from the field....etc......again there is a reason why he never scored more than 50pts in the playoff...only like once??? i think.....alot harder to score in the playoffs!!!!
Yes it is harder to score in the playoffs. That doesn't mean anything towards scoring some ridiculous amount in the regular season. Just because he scored 50+ in the playoffs doesn't mean he'd put up 90-100 in the regular season.


i dont buy it..... thats why drob game is so important to understand..... if he didnt score 70...i probably would consider what u are saying and say that kobes game was such a true outlier.... but again u have take in account the cirumstances and the player.....
It's different for perimeter players. They can't just camp in the lane and shoot over players like DRob did.


all i can say is that if kobe can score 81 in modern game during the reg season... i have no doubt jordan under similiar cirumstances would meet this and approach 100pts.....prove to me jordan just wasnt that type of scorer??? by what objective measure???
Read the other thread. He would have had to put up 30+FT maybe even 40+FT's to reach 100 based off off his regular season shooting performances. MJ would have been extremely hard pressed to put up the 50+ shots and 35-40+ FT's necessary in 48 minutes. Near impossible.

As for me saying that he wasn't that type of scorer, I just can't picture him going ballistic like that. He was more methodical than that. He's not the type of player who was going to throw in multiple 30+ foot 3's like today's players just because he was on. :oldlol:

[chomskytool]

Yes it is harder to score in the playoffs. That doesn't mean anything towards scoring some ridiculous amount in the regular season. Just because he scored 50+ in the playoffs doesn't mean he'd put up 90-100 in the regular season.


It's different for perimeter players. They can't just camp in the lane and shoot over players like DRob did.


Read the other thread. He would have had to put up 30+FT maybe even 40+FT's to reach 100 based off off his regular season shooting performances. MJ would have been extremely hard pressed to put up the 50+ shots and 35-40+ FT's necessary in 48 minutes. Near impossible.

As for me saying that he wasn't that type of scorer, I just can't picture him going ballistic like that. He was more methodical than that. He's not the type of player who was going to throw in multiple 30+ foot 3's like today's players just because he was on. :oldlol:



Yeah but you do realize the 2 highest scoring games in the league hx, were done in the reg season by wilt, then kobe.......what do we see there......again reg season....all time great scorer.....personal drive and ability to pt up those points....

now granted mj would likely also have to hit a decent amount of 3pts to get close to 100, but we know its possible( again did it in the nba finals against portland, wasn't it 6 in half?)

now i realize its harder for a perimeter player to do this...but even in drob example he only accomplished this because his team made a concerted effort to get him the ball every single time.....

also again...if any perimeter player were to do this....logic tells u it would be the greatest perimeter scorer of all time who would have a shot, especially if lesser perimeter player was able to put up 81.... u got a realize the circumstances dont necessarily need to be exactly the same.....
meaning maybe the game would go into OT or maybe not... either way if one perimeter player could do it....it would be jordan...go watch some old games of him getting hot on youtube....i think you'll change your mind.


also mentally, jordan was so focused and so mentally tough that he had the uncanny ability to raise his game to the quality of the opponent, this is why his playoff stats are insane.....again if a player had this extremely rare ability to almost seemingly control his statistical output in relation to the quality of his opponents.....i think if he put his mind to it... he would find a way......this is what separates jordan from all others, especially kobe.....to me that is why mj is GOAT. its his abiltiy to exert his will on the game.....

[lilbeastnani]

Misleading title.

[KenneBell]

now granted mj would likely also have to hit a decent amount of 3pts to get close to 100, but we know its possible( again did it in the nba finals against portland, wasn't it 6 in half?)


You can talk about Jordan's drive and mental toughness all you want, bottom line is, he's not scoring 100 points in regulation in today's game.

It's not even about Kobe being a lesser player, I believe has an ability to get hot unlike even what MJ had IMO. That's being able to hit shots from almost anywhere under the halfcourt line over and over and over again. Now you could say that it might not be against great competition but the point still stands.

That's not a knock against MJ. I've just never seen that from him, even in his games where he was scoring 50-60+ points.

[KenneBell]

I'm getting neg reps from Jordan fans. :roll:

[Glide2keva]

LOL.
MJ also played against some of the worst teams of all time and he never whiffed anywhere close to 81. MJ played in the era of expansion teams.
And Kobe played against those same expansion teams, or did the league get smaller when Kobe came in the league?

Kobe scored 81 points in a game, big whoop. It was against a terrible raptors team. They weren't even playoff bound.

Jordan scored 69 points against a playoff bound, division rival Cleveland team whom he met in the first round and eliminated with "The Shit" in game 5 of that series.

In Jordan's 69 point game, he also had 18 rebounds, 6 assists, and 4 steals and I think 2 blocks. He was 1 point, 2 rebounds, and 4 assists shy of a sick 70,20,10 triple double!

That is way better than 81 points and 1 assist.

[Jacks3]

LOL @ people using the Raptors excuse. If it was that easy, why did no other player even come close to accomplishing it? And LOL @ MJ fans bragging about MJ's 69 point game when it came against a team with a white boy guarding him.
Not to mention Jordan needed OT just to get to 69. Kobe needed 4 quarters just to get to to 81.

Kobe's 81 point game> Any game Jordan ever had.

Get mad.

[-23-]

You can talk about Jordan's drive and mental toughness all you want, bottom line is, he's not scoring 100 points in regulation in today's game.

It's not even about Kobe being a lesser player, I believe has an ability to get hot unlike even what MJ had IMO. That's being able to hit shots from almost anywhere under the halfcourt line over and over and over again. Now you could say that it might not be against great competition but the point still stands.

That's not a knock against MJ. I've just never seen that from him, even in his games where he was scoring 50-60+ points.


Doesn't get hot? Jordan scored 82% FG with a game over 50+ on detroit, and another @ 78% 59 pt game.

[Jacks3]

Jordan scored 69 points against a playoff bound, division rival Cleveland team whom he met in the first round and eliminated with "The Shit" in game 5 of that series.


You mean "The Shot"? :roll:

[catch24]

Kobe's 81 point game> Any game Jordan ever had.

Get mad.

:roll:

[Glide2keva]

I honestly think that most of these guys have never, ever seen Jordan play live. Highlights don't tell the story. If you saw these games happen live, there is no way you'd say the things that are being said here.

[TheAnchorman]

I think this was more interesting:

How has the game changed from your playing days?
Jordan: It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously. Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points.
If he had a weak-ass team with a weak-willed coach that lets him score whenever he wants, then *maybe* he'll break 90. If he has all-star Pippen and/or Phil Jackson, the chances of that go down quite a bit. But jordan was never a prolific 3-pt shooter: kobe got a lot of those 81 pts off 3 pointers.

[laronprofit9]

Analogy:
Michael Jordan plays at 100mph every game. And on his hot games he hits 110mph. And in his peak performance games 115mph.

Kobe Bryant plays at 90mph every game. And on his hot games he hits 105mph. And in his peak performance games 120mph.

Kobe is probably the best "peak" scorer/(most volatile scorer) in NBA history. Jordan is usually better in normal games, and slightly better on hot shooting nights. However on an absolute best level, scoring wise, Kobe.

Kobe is more volatile than Jordan, more bad shooting nights, but higher peaks. Kobe probably has higher "career" peak scoring due to a better long-range jumper. 3-pointers give you higher volume than 2-pointers. To give you an idea of what I mean:

For One game:
Michael Jordan's career high is 7 3-Point Field Goals Made. He's only done it once.
Kobe Bryant has 11 games where he made at least 7+ 3-Point Fields or More.

PEAK Scoring Stats(Im Not Implying Kobe is a better player than Michael Jordan):

40+ppg Months: Kobe 4, Jordan 0
Single Game Career High: Kobe 81, Jordan 69
50+ppg Streak: Kobe 4 Straight Games, Jordan 3 Straight Games
40+ppg Streak: Kobe 9 Straight Games, Jordan 9 Straight Games TIE
Single-Half Career High: Kobe 55, Jordan 39
Single-Quarter Career High: Kobe 30(twice), Jordan 30 TIE
Single-Game Field Goals Made: Kobe 28, Jordan 27
Single-Game 3P Field Goals Made: Kobe 12, Jordan 7
Single-Game Free Throws Made: Kobe 23(twice), Jordan 26


Jordan is obviously better most of the time. And I'd Pick Jordan over Kobe 100 times out of 100. However, Kobe's volatility on a very rare occasion makes him better than Jordan scoring wise even if it only happens like once a year lol.

[RapsLakers]

obvious stays obvious............

[KenneBell]

However, Kobe's volatility on a very rare occasion makes him better than Jordan scoring wise even if it only happens like once a year lol.
Exactly. Like I said, jordan was a methodical player. He wasn't the type to go absolutely ballistic to the point where he doesn't even square up at the basket from 28 feet and the ball is still going in. :oldlol:

[Poochymama]

Of course this Jordan dick-sucker wouldn't think so.

It's the truth.

Kobe's 81 points> Any Game by Jordan ever.

U mad?

You're delusional if you think

81/6/2/3 on the second worst defensive team in the league, is better than

69/18/6/4 on a playoff caliber team.

Hell, even ignoring the caliber of teams

12 extra rebounds 4 extra assists and 1 extra steal is better than 12 extra points, even if it was in overtime.

[catch24]

Exactly. Like I said, jordan was a methodical player. He wasn't the type to go absolutely ballistic to the point where he doesn't even square up at the basket from 28 feet and the ball is still going in. :oldlol:

Well it's not like he couldn't go out there and start heaving up shots when he was hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaL9OhZQoc#t=4m25s

[Shepseskaf]

Jordan's 69 against Cleveland, 55 against NY are way better perfomance's than Kobe's 81 against the lottery bound Toronto Raptors.
This is the absolute truth, and just about anyone without an agenda who actually watched all three games from start to finish would agree.

Both of MJ's games were in tough, intense playoff-like environments. Not to mention that the Bulls were the visiting team in both instances.

Not trying to diminish 81 points, but it was in front of the home crowd and Kobe was ridiculously defended for pretty much the entire game. If Sam Mitchell had half a brain, he would have doubled Kobe and 81 wouldn't have happened.

[OnceInADECADE]

so where does Kobe rank all time top 50 according to M.J.?

[KenneBell]

Well it's not like he couldn't go out there and start heaving up shots when he was hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaL9OhZQoc#t=4m25s
I didn't say he couldn't. But I haven't seen him do it to the extent Kobe has done.

[MaxFly]

Jordan had the opportunity to play against some of the most amusing defenses the league has ever seen. I've heard people refer to the 2005-2006 Raptors as the worst defensive team of all time and then insinuate that Jordan was forced to face teams like the hard-nosed Knicks or Pistons every other night. Let's not forget that Jordan had the opportunity to face teams like the 86-87 Clippers who allowed opponents 116 points on close to 52% shooting, or the 87-88 Spurs who allowed opponents 118.5 points on 50% shooting.

I don't believe Jordan would score 100 in today's league. Most teams now begin their defense on the offensive end, making a concerted effort to play half court basketball and slow down the pace of the game and limiting the number of possessions in a game. The 80s might be a possibility though. What Bryant saw with his 81 was a confluence of events that had him on a mediocre team, giving him leeway to shoot, had him pissed off because his team was losing to a poor team, both offensively and defensively, and had him in a ridiculous zone. Jordan could get there given the same circumstances, but I don't believe he would score 100, and I don't believe he meant literally 100. I think he just meant that he's be able to score a lot of points.

[BallsOut]

Let's see

69 points on Mark Price, 6'0, 170lbs and Craig Elho 6'6, 180lbs in 48 minutes + OT

vs.

81 points on Jalen Rose 6'8, 217lbs and Morris Peterson 6'7, 218lbs in 48 minutes

MJ was going up against dudes shorter than him and 20lbs under his weight.
Kobe was going up against dudes taller than him and 20lbs heavier than him.

Simple math folks. 81 > 69. Then when you say 81 in 48 minutes vs. 69 in 53 minutes, it's not even close.

[LA KB24]

LOL @ people using the Raptors excuse. If it was that easy, why did no other player even come close to accomplishing it? And LOL @ MJ fans bragging about MJ's 69 point game when it came against a team with a white boy guarding him.
Not to mention Jordan needed OT just to get to 69. Kobe needed 4 quarters just to get to to 81.

Kobe's 81 point game> Any game Jordan ever had.

Get mad.
Kill yaself asap.

[hitmanyr2k]

If Kobe got 10 rings it would not be an indictation he is a better player than Jordan.

Kobe won't be considered better than Jordan if he keeps putting up those kind of Finals series where he's getting saved by Derek Fisher or putting up 6-24 in a Game 7 with all the chips on the line. I find it odd that with 5 championships under his belt Kobe doesn't really have one Finals series where he truly dominated and put his stamp on it....the kind of series he had against the Suns in the WCF. He needs some of that sh** on the big stage. Most of Kobe's best moments (game winners, big scoring games) come in the regular season while Jordan's come in the playoffs and on the big stage. That Game 7 was a chance for KB to really put a memorable performance for the ages on his resume and he screwed that up royally.

[Ne 1]

Kobe won't be considered better than Jordan if he keeps putting up those kind of Finals series where he's getting saved by Derek Fisher or putting up 6-24 in a Game 7 with all the chips on the line. I find it odd that with 5 championships under his belt Kobe doesn't really have one Finals series where he truly dominated and put his stamp on it....the kind of series he had against the Suns in the WCF. He needs some of that sh** on the big stage. Most of Kobe's best moments (game winners, big scoring games) come in the regular season while Jordan's come in the playoffs and on the big stage. That Game 7 was a chance for KB to really put a memorable performance for the ages on his resume and he screwed that up royally.

As time goes on nobody will remember small things like that. Kobe will just be remembered as a 5x champion. (Or however many rings he ends up with)

MJ played terrible in the Finals before and got bailed out by Pippen, Rodman etc. but it dosen't matter now. He's just remembered as a 6x champion.

Kobe has also had plenty of big moments and shots in the Finals and playoffs but I guess you blocked it out from your memory.

Even in the early 00's at a young age Kobe was taking over and dominating in the playoffs, especially in the Western Conference Finals against the real competition against Portland, San Antonio and Sacramento.

[Shepseskaf]

Let's see

69 points on Mark Price, 6'0, 170lbs and Craig Elho 6'6, 180lbs in 48 minutes + OT

vs.

81 points on Jalen Rose 6'8, 217lbs and Morris Peterson 6'7, 218lbs in 48 minutes

MJ was going up against dudes shorter than him and 20lbs under his weight.
Kobe was going up against dudes taller than him and 20lbs heavier than him.

Simple math folks. 81 > 69. Then when you say 81 in 48 minutes vs. 69 in 53 minutes, it's not even close.
:roll:

Is this what schools are turning out now? This might be the singularly most ignorant post I've ever seen on ISH.

So, defensive skills mean absolutely nothing, its all about height and weight? :facepalm

For your info, Price did not defend Jordan, it was Ehlo on him most of the night... and Ehlo earned a better defensive reputation then either Jalen Rose or Mo Pete. To say nothing of the rest of the Cavs team that year, with Larry Nance as an excellent shot blocker and Brad Daugherty securing the middle.

Comparing the Cleveland team of that year to the '06 Raptors would be a joke... even more so that this idiotic post.

[Rose]

Where's Kyle Weaver at?

[Samurai Swoosh]

than 12 extra points, even if it was in overtime.
:facepalm

[Jacks3]

You're delusional if you think

81/6/2/3 on the second worst defensive team in the league, is better than

69/18/6/4 on a playoff caliber team.

Hell, even ignoring the caliber of teams

12 extra rebounds 4 extra assists and 1 extra steal is better than 12 extra points, even if it was in overtime.

lol

Kobe's 81 points was the second highest scoring night in NBA History. It was a game that overshadowed the NFL Championship Games. It started people asking if a guy could seriously 100. Statistically, it was greater than Wilt's. Statistically, it was the greatest scoring game ever. And you're brining up shit like rebounds and steals? lol. lol @ acting like beating the Cavs,who I'm pretty sure were under .500 at the time, is some impressive feat. lol @ acting like Ehlo was some great defender. lol @ bringing up the Raptors when hundreds over other players went against them and still came nowhere even remotely close to 81. Oh, and had Kobe played a OT he would have had 90+. Kobe's game is easily superior.

[Jacks3]

lol @ MJ stans: Cavs went 42-40 that year and were 32-37 when they played the Bulls. :oldlol:

[Ne 1]

81 in regulation >>>> 69 in double over time

Deal with it Jordan stans.

Even a kindergartner knows 81 > 69.

[NBASTATMAN]

Of course, there's always the comparison of you and Kobe Bryant. Where does Kobe stand in the status of NBA players through history?
It's so hard to say. I think he is always going to be within the conversations of some of the greatest players who've played by the time he is finished. Where does he rank among those, if you are talking about positions? If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the Top 10

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/10/michael-jordan-and-2k-sports-talk-nba-2k11-/1?loc=interstitialskip

Cool story bro


MAJOR DISS... :roll:

I want to see all the Kobe stans disagree with mj now that he is saying something against their boy. They all agree with him when he says that Kobe is better than Lebron... This is hilarious.

[BallsOut]

MAJOR DISS... :roll:

I want to see all the Kobe fans disagree with mj now that he is saying something against their boy. They all agree with him when he says that Kobe is better than Lebron... This is hilarious.

What's there to disagree about? MJ is right. Kobe is top 10 guards. MJ is also top 10 guards. Let's get technical. :lol

[Ne 1]

MAJOR DISS... :roll:

I want to see all the Kobe stans disagree with mj now that he is saying something against their boy. They all agree with him when he says that Kobe is better than Lebron... This is hilarious.

''Kobe is the best all around player that I ever coached'' - Phil Jackson

Now go play with you Space Jam doll stupid Jordan jocker.

[TennesseeFan]

Kobe Bryant: Where ignoring Chris Rock happens

http://markmalazarte.com/chrisrock2.gif

[Big#50]

81 in regulation >>>> 69 in double over time

Deal with it Jordan stans.

Even a kindergartner knows 81 > 69.
Jordan has like eight 50 point games in the playoffs. Kobe has one and it was in overtime against running team.

[BigBalla44]

''Kobe is the best all around player that I ever coached'' - Phil Jackson

Now go play with you Space Jam doll stupid Jordan jocker.

Y u mad, desperado?

[Jacks3]

Phil Jackson: "Kobe is more skilled than MJ"
Phil Jackson on Kobe's 2001 Playoffs: " I've never seen a player play better all-around"
Tex Winter: " Kobe is a better shooter than Jordan"


:pimp: :lol

[RazorBaLade]

Jordan has like eight 50 point games in the playoffs. Kobe has one and it was in overtime against running team.

how does that make 69>81? But lets be honest here guys....... if the raps are SOOOOOO bad, and LA needed 70 pts from kobe to beat them, doesnt that make kobes 06 season getting them into playoffs REALLY REALLY impressive?

[magnax1]

Kobe Bryant: Where ignoring Chris Rock happens

http://markmalazarte.com/chrisrock2.gif
:lol
that's the best ISH pic ever.

[RazorBaLade]

how does that make 69>81? But lets be honest here guys....... if the raps are SOOOOOO bad, and LA needed 70 pts from kobe to beat them, doesnt that make kobes 06 season getting them into playoffs REALLY REALLY impressive?

Someone negged me for this without leaving a comment and his name or at least an opposing argument. Embarrassing.

[Micku]

Phil Jackson: "Kobe is more skilled than MJ"


Y'know what's funny when he made that statement? When interviewers asked him, "Do you think Kobe has more basketball skills than Jordan?" Phil Jackson then said yes, but then listed the things that Jordan is better than Kobe.

He listed that:
1. Jordan is stronger
2. Jordan could drive in the rim better
3. Jordan's interior game is better, perhaps unmatched. The best he ever seen.
4. Jordan shot better from the field on consistent nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_WNTx3gG_s

But he also said that Kobe is better at long range ball, and Kobe was able to put up more volume points in a row.

He didn't truly list anything that Kobe is better at than Jordan unlike the other way around. And I guess skills could be subjective. What type of skills do you mind in comparison to Kobe and Jordan? Footwork, post up, shot selection, and etc.

Skills don't necessary means better impact, so I guess that's what PJ was either trying to go for or he was just being simple with listing the things that Jordan is better at.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I specifically remember Tex Winter saying "Michael developed into a fantastic shooter - I'm not sure if Kobe is a better shooter than Michael at his best."

So no, he didn't say Kobe was a better shooter. Maybe he said from long range, yeah.

[juju151111]

Phil Jackson: "Kobe is more skilled than MJ"
Phil Jackson on Kobe's 2001 Playoffs: " I've never seen a player play better all-around"
Tex Winter: " Kobe is a better shooter than Jordan"


:pimp: :lol
Kobe playoffs stats:25,5,5 44% 2-5finals mvp,1mvp, goat tough shot maker from distance.
MJ playoffs stats: 33,6,6 48% DPOTY 5xmvp,6finals mvp,goat shotblocking SG

hooray for more skilled Kobe

[Jacks3]

Y'know what's funny when he made that statement? When interviewers asked him, "Do you think Kobe has more basketball skills than Jordan?" Phil Jackson then said yes,





There you go.

[Jacks3]

Kobe playoffs stats:25,5,5 44% 2-5finals mvp,1mvp, goat tough shot maker from distance.
MJ playoffs stats: 33,6,6 48% DPOTY 5xmvp,6finals mvp,goat shotblocking SG

hooray for more skilled Kobe

Yeah, hooray for one of the best players in history. :applause:

[juju151111]

how does that make 69>81? But lets be honest here guys....... if the raps are SOOOOOO bad, and LA needed 70 pts from kobe to beat them, doesnt that make kobes 06 season getting them into playoffs REALLY REALLY impressive?
81 is greater then 69, but Mj had 18 rebounds the same game. 18 rebounds at the gaurd position is not a small feet.

[juju151111]

Yeah, hooray for one of the best players in history. :applause:
I agree Kobe is top 10 all-time. Who ever says different is mad. When he retires he will move up along with Shaq when he retires.

[Jacks3]

Kobe playoffs stats:25,5,5 44% 2-5finals mvp,1mvp, goat tough shot maker from distance.
MJ playoffs stats: 33,6,6 48% DPOTY 5xmvp,6finals mvp,goat shotblocking SG

Kobe's playoff stats are actually closer to 26/5/5/1.4 on 45%. 44.8% rounds to 45, 25.5 to 26. Just sayin'.

[juju151111]

Kobe's playoff stats are actually closer to 26/5/5/1.4 on 45%. 44.8% rounds to 45, 25.5 to 26. Just sayin'.
Mj has 49%

[Jacks3]

Cool.

[Da_Realist]

Playing against who? Danny Ainge. :roll:

MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.

People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol: Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.


Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.

Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.

Looks like Battier wasn't the first defender to study an opponent. Michael Cooper, who by the way is not a "slow, weak, un-athletic white player" had this to say about defending Larry Bird in 1988

Michael Cooper on defending Larry Bird (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juLN9FVvB9g)

[EarlTheGoat]

Considering Kobe is better than Michael, its a bit ridiculous on Jordan`s part to say "he has to be in the top ten".

[Manute for Ever!]

Considering Kobe is better than Michael, its a bit ridiculous on Jordan`s part to say "he has to be in the top ten".

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[PurpleChuck]

Considering Kobe is better than Michael, its a bit ridiculous on Jordan`s part to say "he has to be in the top ten".
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When one facepalm is just not enough...