Which current player is most similar to Scottie Pippen?

[LT Ice Cream]

I was too young to follow basketball during the Jordan era, but I'm watching some of the Pippen highlights now . . . he seems like he could possibly have been the best all-around player ever.
So which current player is most like him? I'm thinking Gerald Wallace maybe?

[BMOGEFan]

there isn't one.

[Rekindled]

iggy

[Skip Bayless]

Gerald Wallace could be one for the defensive and rebounding aspect. You could also include Lamar Odom in this discussion. Maybe we can combine those guy's.

[RajonKGcelts]

Lebron....

[VanillaThunder]

Lebron....

Agreed.. LeBron is bigger and more dominant, but Pippen was a big playmaker from the 3 and could score too. He was less physical on offense than LeBron but still thats the best comparison I could think of.

[Dwade305]

Lebron....
similar but on steriods

[thomaspynchon]

Joe Johnson

[Skip Bayless]

similar but on steriods

Yup. That tends to help.

There's no surprise how a player with no off-season work ethic can gains muscles like he has now compared to his rookie season.

[LT Ice Cream]

Joe Johnson? Yeah right lol.

[thomaspynchon]

Joe Johnson? Yeah right lol.

Huh? They are both point forwards who initiate the offense and guard multiple positions and score from the wings and also get to the basket. Johnson has been thrust into a role he isn't best suited for but in my opinion he's the closest to Pippen in style there is currently.

[Rose]

I think iggy.

[thomaspynchon]

Yup. That tends to help.

There's no surprise how a player with no off-season work ethic can gains muscles like he has now compared to his rookie season.

...Like that mysterious surgery he had to remove a "growth" in his neck?

[thomaspynchon]

I think iggy.
Good choice, but Iguodala cannot shoot at all. Pippen was streaky though.

This could be the best comparison.

Back in 05-06 Josh Howard was basically Pippen.

[LT Ice Cream]

Huh? They are both point forwards who initiate the offense and guard multiple positions and score from the wings and also get to the basket. Johnson has been thrust into a role he isn't best suited for but in my opinion he's the closest to Pippen in style there is currently.

Joe Johnson is also hardly a defensive player or rebounder. And he certainly isn't going crap on anybody with any big boy dunks like Pippen used to do

[evilmonkey]

Ron Artests Defense + Lamar Odoms Offense = Scottie Pippen

There is not one player that really resembles Pippen and his repertoir today.... you could say Lebron, but he is on a whole another level and a one of a kind player himself....

[thomaspynchon]

Joe Johnson is also hardly a defensive player or rebounder. And he certainly isn't going crap on anybody with a big boy dunks like Pippen used to do

He's one of the best defensive players at his position. The issue is that he's been forced into a role (1st option) that he isn't suited for so he has to sacrifice a bit on defense.

[King Kong]

Rudy Gay

[No_Look604]

uugggh wasn't everyone saying Batum or whatever, on Portland, was the closest thing to a young Pippen? And the guy's hella young.

[LT Ice Cream]

Rudy Gay

Nah. He's a lazy defender.

[hoopaddict08]

Tayshaun Prince is a poor man's Pippen....kind of?

[LT Ice Cream]

Tayshaun Prince is a poor man's Pippen....kind of?

I never thought of that one. That's a good comparison tho

[evilmonkey]

Think about it.... nobody really resembles Pippen today...

Pippen was one of the most versatile players in NBA history offensively & defensively (he could efficiently play & guard 4 positions) and was one of the best defenders in NBA history and was certainly one of the most athletic players aswell....

That makes me think of 4 guys...

1. Ron Artest with Lamar Odoms offense and Lebrons athleticism = Pippen

2. Lamar Odom with Ron Artests defense and Lebrons athleticism = Pippen

3. Lebron James with MUCH less of everything with an exception of a bit more feisty defense = Pippen

4. Tayshuan prince with more of everything = Pippen


If i had to pick ONE player.... its LAMAR ODOM (or TAYSHUAN PRINCE)....

[Doranku]

Think about it.... nobody really resembles Pippen today...

Pippen was one of the most versatile players in NBA history offensively & defensively (he could efficiently play & guard 4 positions) and was one of the best defenders in NBA history and was certainly one of the most athletic players aswell....

That makes me think of 4 guys...

1. Ron Artest with Lamar Odoms offense and Lebrons athleticism.

2. Lamar Odom with Ron Artests defense and Lebrons athleticism.

3. Lebron James with MUCH less offense and a bit more feisty defense i guess.

4. Tayshuan prince with more of everything


If i had to pick ONE player.... its LAMAR ODOM (or TAYSHUAN PRINCE)....

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Rose]

Nah. He's a lazy defender.
If Gay WANTED To play defense he could do it just as well. He's just lazy and only plays defense against strong competition.

[JohnnySic]

Corey Brewer was supposed to be the "new Pippen".

I think they need to can "the new ______" comparisons...

[evilmonkey]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Oh god... please... are you serious? Please.. oh please dont tell me you think Pippen was as good as Lebron offensively....

[Rose]

Corey Brewer was supposed to be the "new Pippen".

I think they need to can "the new ______" comparisons...
He's got the defense to be Pippen that's for sure. He just isn't a good passer.

[Doranku]

Oh god... please... are you serious? Please.. oh please dont tell me you think Pippen was as good as Lebron offensively....

Please don't tell me you think Pippen was "just a bit more feisty" than LeBron defensively.

[LT Ice Cream]

Please don't tell me you think Pippen was "just a bit more feisty" than LeBron defensively.

I think Pippen is a significantly better on-ball defender than LeBron

[Willkill24]

Iguodala.

[evilmonkey]

Please don't tell me you think Pippen was "just a bit more feisty" than LeBron defensively.

If thats what you facepalmed... then fair enough, you are excused. I dont know how i would express that statement more for you to not facepalm it anyways? Pippen was a better defender than Lebron was.... and thats what i was stating with a bit of sarcasm... did you needed a better statement? Something like:

"Pippen wazzzz a muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuchcchchchchch better defender than Lebron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111ONE!!!!"""

Is that good enough for you? :rolleyes:

[Rose]

If thats what you facepalmed... then fair enough, you are excused. I dont know how i would express that statement more for you to not facepalm it anyways? Pippen was a better defender than Lebron was.... and thats what i was stating... did you needed a better statement? Something like:

"Pippen wazzzz a muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuchcchchchchch better defender than Lebron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111ONE!!!!"""

Is that good enough for you? :rolleyes:
No.

[evilmonkey]

No.

k... :oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Nicolas Batum is the closest thing to Scottie Pippen in the NBA today

[Rose]

Nicolas Batum is the closest thing to Scottie Pippen in the NBA today
I think him and Iggy are really the only two.

[Doranku]

If thats what you facepalmed... then fair enough, you are excused. I dont know how i would express that statement more for you to not facepalm it anyways? Pippen was a better defender than Lebron was.... and thats what i was stating with a bit of sarcasm... did you needed a better statement? Something like:

"Pippen wazzzz a muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuchcchchchchch better defender than Lebron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111ONE!!!!"""

Is that good enough for you? :rolleyes:

What you said is equivalent to me saying "Pippen was on another level defensively than LeBron.. LeBron was a bit more aggressive on offense, I guess".

Anyway, thank you for excusing me, oh wise one. :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

I agree with the lebron comparisons. But lebron is more physical, and definately a better scorer. While pippen was more finesse and the far superior defender.

[Nastradamus]

iggy

You are probably right here. He handles the ball, is extremely athletic and a top notch defender. Can't shoot a lick either. He's not on Pippen's level probably, but it might be different if he was on the Lakers next to Kobe or something.

I can't think of another good one right now. Lebron kind of

[Nastradamus]

Nicolas Batum is the closest thing to Scottie Pippen in the NBA today

interesting. Batum has the D and has showed flashes on O, we'll see what he does this year. Roy might be a closer one actually, though he shoots better and is shorter.

[KareemCambell]

andre igoudala

[evilmonkey]

What you said is equivalent to me saying "Pippen was on another level defensively than LeBron.. LeBron was a bit more aggressive on offense, I guess".

Anyway, thank you for excusing me, oh wise one. :oldlol:

Thats exactly what i meant but it doesnt work the other way around like that....... you see, Pippen was not capable of playing that kindof offense like Lebron no matter how much effort and agressiveness he would put into it..... but Lebron has every bit of potential of playing maybe just as good defensively as Pippen could if he wanted to.... Why doesnt he? Because the biggest defensive difference between a heavy duty offensive player and a heavy duty defensive player is exactly that.... DEFENSIVE AGRESSION..........

For example Kobe & Lebron, they are extremly heavy duty offensive players that cant afford to spend that much ridicilous amount of energy defensively..... Pippen was a guy who would hustle and hurt people and hurt himself throwing himself out of bounds, braking his back, killing himself on the Defensive end, he really and i mean REALLY took it seriously putting down every inch of energy he had on the defensive end....... those are the first signs of HIGH DEFENSIVE AGRESSION/FOCUS/ENERGY....

Do you see Lebron or Kobe play that agressive and with that much energy defensively all the time? NO.... But have you seen them do that at least sometime? I know i have.... and you can see the potential when they do! All i can say is that if Kobe & Lebron did put all their energy/focus/agression on the defensive end like lets say Pippen did they would be probably be the exact same defensive players................

Thats my opinion... now you can dwell over it how much you ever want..

[OnceInADECADE]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/marty_burns/11/13/surprise.contributors/nicolas-batum.jpg

better shooter

[YouCallILose]

Grant Hill even though he is a shell of his former self

Current Hill=Portland Scottie

Prime Hill=Bulls Scottie

[Skip Bayless]

Grant Hill even though he is a shell of his former self

Current Hill=Portland Scottie

Prime Hill=Bulls Scottie

No, Prime Hill= Prime Hill.

[Duncan21formvp]

Paul Pierce

[LT Ice Cream]

Paul Pierce
:facepalm

[TryToBeUnbias]

I liked the g-force pick

I guess Iggy may be a consistent jumper away from being deemed the next scottie.

[YouCallILose]

No, Prime Hill= Prime Hill.


Peak Pippen wasn't that far behind Peak Hill. And overall prime's Pippen>Hill

[ZOMG]

Please stop with the Batum comparisons. An important part of Pip's arsenal was his excellent post game. Batum has NO post game at all. Also, at his height, Pippen was one of the best ball handlers of all time. Now, have you seen Batum handle the rock on a fast break?

Yeah.

[YouCallILose]

Please stop with the Batum comparisons. An important part of Pip's arsenal was his excellent post game. Batum has NO post game at all. Also, at his height, Pippen was one of the best ball handlers of all time. Now, have you seen Batum handle the rock on a fast break?

Yeah.

It's delusional Portland fans, what do you expect?

Half of them believed Roy was better than Kobe 2 years ago and that Oden is STILL the right choice and better fit.

[bagelred]

Athletically, Trevor Ariza reminds me of Pippen. But not talent wise.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Andre Iguodala is the player that most remind me of Scottie Pippen.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Nicolas Batum is the closest thing to Scottie Pippen in the NBA today

:oldlol:

No he is not.

[OnceInADECADE]

Please stop with the Batum comparisons. An important part of Pip's arsenal was his excellent post game. Batum has NO post game at all. Also, at his height, Pippen was one of the best ball handlers of all time. Now, have you seen Batum handle the rock on a fast break?

Yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAEQMBGc5cc

[Jasi]

I vote for Tayshaun

[FindingTim]

Tayshaun? Lebron?

Pippen was his own animal. No one really compares..

[Jasi]

I vote for Tayshaun

I changed my mind.

Josh Childress.
Poor man's, but he does have Scottie's traits as a player.

[Jordan23GOAT]

Nobody...

[RagingBull33]

Prime Marion's rebounding and versatility on defense with Iggy's offense?

[97 bulls]

There really isn't a player that is on the same level as pippen when it comes to skillset. There's players that possess. Similar qualities to pip, but they all lack in something. Odom is scoring and defense, battum is nowhere near pippen. Calling nikolas batum similar to pippen is like saying demarr darosen is similar to jordan.

I can see igudala as a poormans scottie pippen. But still the closet to pippen is lebron even though lebron is better than him. I see it like this

Andre Iguodala<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<scottie pippen<<<<<<<lebron james.

[magnax1]

Lebron isn't that terribly similar to Pippen. They're both good passers and.... thats it...

[97 bulls]

Lebron isn't that terribly similar to Pippen. They're both good passers and.... thats it...
He's not terribly similar but their skillsets are about the same. Both are streaky shooters with a slight edge to pippen, both can drive with both hands but james is definately better. Both are great team facilitators. Both rebound about the same. Both can play defense but pippen is better. And I think we all agree that in todays rules and pippen having his own team, he'd fair close to lebron james and avg about 25 ppg.

[niko]

Nex t year? Lebron.

[Soundwave]

Yup. That tends to help.

There's no surprise how a player with no off-season work ethic can gains muscles like he has now compared to his rookie season.

It's possible he is on steroids (and if he is, he's not the only one in the NBA), but genetics and bone structure/size play a big role too.

LeBron's always had a frame that's more like a football player, even in high school.

Also you really don't need to have a "monstrous" work ethic to lift weights for an hour a day 5-6 times a week. Kids in high school do it all the time.

[G-train]

Pippen is a top 3 wing defender ever and no one in the league comes close right now in that area.
He also had the best dribbling ability and open court play of any small forward ever, including Dr J. Doc didnt have his passing and dribbling in the open court.
Offensively I see resemblances to Iggy, but Pippen was a better shooter.

So right now there is no good comparison.

[97 bulls]

Nex t year? Lebron.
Probably. But I still see james avg about 26 ppg. But I think bosh is gonna take a few boards from him. And thus hell probably avg about 7. Along with about 6 or 7 assists.

[Soundwave]

He's not terribly similar but their skillsets are about the same. Both are streaky shooters with a slight edge to pippen, both can drive with both hands but james is definately better. Both are great team facilitators. Both rebound about the same. Both can play defense but pippen is better. And I think we all agree that in todays rules and pippen having his own team, he'd fair close to lebron james and avg about 25 ppg.

Scottie's one of my favorite players of all time, but LeBron is a lot better.

Jordan + LeBron = absolute domination.

[YouCallILose]

LeBron is not on steroids lol...

He's not even really that jacked, he's just a really big guy

People on steroids are going to be ridiculously cut, well as long as they utilize them correctly, and LeBron is not

http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/blogmedia/2009/02/lebron_james.jpg

Not steroids

http://www.steroid-cycles.com/carrot-top-steroids.jpg

Steroids

LeBron is just abnormally skilled for a guy his size but he really has no physical features that would indicate steroid use.

Dwight would be a better candidate for steroids IMO

also in b4 Rashard Lewis jokes, IDK wtf he was trying to do

[97 bulls]

Scottie's one of my favorite players of all time, but LeBron is a lot better.

Jordan + LeBron = absolute domination.
Lol pippen and jordan didn't absolutely dominate the league? Let me ask you this. The one year that pippen took the reigns as the best player on the team, he was 3rd in the mvp voting behind david robinson and an alltime season put in by olajuwan. I guarantee that pippen gets an mvp award if he plays now. And im sure james doesn't win his awards over olajuwan in 94. Do you agree?

[evilmonkey]

Nex t year? Lebron.

Hah... i dont think so, worst case scenario is Magic Johnson... if Lebron lets Wade & Bosh do the scoring job... that means Lebron will be a pass-first type of playmaker and that means lots of assists... his numbers would probably be like 20-8-10....

I dont even know why i said worst case scenario considering those numbers are still pretty damn sick and Magic Johnson is Top 3 of all time in my list.... but i guess its still a bit less nummeric compared to what he could have got if he really wanted a 30 point triple double or at least close to it...

[Soundwave]

Lol pippen and jordan didn't absolutely dominate the league? Let me ask you this. The one year that pippen took the reigns as the best player on the team, he was 3rd in the mvp voting behind david robinson and an alltime season put in by olajuwan. I guarantee that pippen gets an mvp award if he plays now. And im sure james doesn't win his awards over olajuwan in 94. Do you agree?

And how did Scottie do in 94-95?

Mike could've used some help (for once) in the playoffs when he was rusty ... where was Scottie the one time MJ needed someone to carry their fair share of the load?

Scottie's a terrific player. LeBron is simply better.

[thejumpa]

LeBron is not on steroids lol...

He's not even really that jacked, he's just a really big guy

People on steroids are going to be ridiculously cut, well as long as they utilize them correctly, and LeBron is not


Steroids

LeBron is just abnormally skilled for a guy his size but he really has no physical features that would indicate steroid use.

Dwight would be a better candidate for steroids IMO

also in b4 Rashard Lewis jokes, IDK wtf he was trying to do

And people continue to believe LeBron is this giant 6'8 265lb monster. Dude isn't cut or anything. He just has A1 genetics to build upon. He's one of those super athletic black guys who picked up a ball and got real good at it based off his natural talent.

Dwight is gifted as well but he's packed on muscle for real. You can tell because he's always talking about hitting the gym and lifting. Rashard Lewis is a twig. He figured that sense he was gonna have to play out of position his whole life, he might as well pack on some pounds before they notice he blows and try to trade him.

[juju151111]

Lol pippen and jordan didn't absolutely dominate the league? Let me ask you this. The one year that pippen took the reigns as the best player on the team, he was 3rd in the mvp voting behind david robinson and an alltime season put in by olajuwan. I guarantee that pippen gets an mvp award if he plays now. And im sure james doesn't win his awards over olajuwan in 94. Do you agree?
How does Pippen win te MVP over LJ when he goes 30+,7,7?:no: Pippen wouldn't of won it in either of the last 2 years.

[gengiskhan]

none. nobody.

name me a player who can play all 5 positions. point, two, power, small, maybe even center. & literally win series after series just by playng killer D.

that was Pippen. He was unique & will stay so.

[2LeTTeRS]

I've been saying this for a few years, and I still think KG is the best comparision - as a taller power forward version of Pippen.

[G-train]

Dwight is gifted as well but he's packed on muscle for real. You can tell because he's always talking about hitting the gym and lifting.

Guys on steroids work out harder and more than guys that aren't.

Not saying Dwight is though.

[G-train]

LeBron is not on steroids lol...

He's not even really that jacked, he's just a really big guy

People on steroids are going to be ridiculously cut, well as long as they utilize them correctly, and LeBron is not

http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/blogmedia/2009/02/lebron_james.jpg

Not steroids

http://www.steroid-cycles.com/carrot-top-steroids.jpg

Steroids

LeBron is just abnormally skilled for a guy his size but he really has no physical features that would indicate steroid use.

Dwight would be a better candidate for steroids IMO

also in b4 Rashard Lewis jokes, IDK wtf he was trying to do

Steroids

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/Barry-Bonds.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/magazine/01/11/jones.flashback/jonesflashback.jpg

There is no set 'Steroid look'

[AirJordan&Magic]

There really isn't a player that is on the same level as pippen when it comes to skillset. There's players that possess. Similar qualities to pip, but they all lack in something. Odom is scoring and defense, battum is nowhere near pippen. Calling nikolas batum similar to pippen is like saying demarr darosen is similar to jordan.

I can see igudala as a poormans scottie pippen. But still the closet to pippen is lebron even though lebron is better than him. I see it like this

Andre Iguodala<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<scottie pippen<<<<<<<lebron james.

Well said. However, I think you underrated Scottie's midrange jumper a bit.

From 1987-1991, he was a very subpar shooter. But by 1992, his midrange jumper improved.

[AirJordan&Magic]

none. nobody.

name me a player who can play all 5 positions. point, two, power, small, maybe even center. & literally win series after series just by playng killer D.

that was Pippen. He was unique & will stay so.

Center??? You are out of your mind

[LT Ice Cream]

Steroids

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/Barry-Bonds.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/magazine/01/11/jones.flashback/jonesflashback.jpg

There is no set 'Steroid look'

You failed to notice the bloated head/face, which is indeed the telltale sign of a steroid user aka the 'steroid look'.

[2LeTTeRS]

Now that I think about it Stephen Jackson also works here as a poor man's Pip. He's not quite the ball handler or defender as Pip but he's good at both. Like Pip he also has no real weaknesses (he's above average as a play maker, scorer, and rebounds well for a swing man) and has more leadership qualities than he's normally given credit for.

[blondie]

Lebron James. Nicholas Batum resembles a young Scottie before Scottie got skills

[97 bulls]

How does Pippen win te MVP over LJ when he goes 30+,7,7?:no: Pippen wouldn't of won it in either of the last 2 years.
Which is better 30,7,7. And very good defense? Or 25 (which I think scottie gets in this league) 9 and 7 with goat defense?

[Papaya Petee]

Igoudala and Wallace are poor version Pippens.

LeBron is a much better Pippen.

[97 bulls]

Igoudala and Wallace are poor version Pippens.

LeBron is a much better Pippen.
I agree. I don't think lebron is much better. But he's definately better

[97 bulls]

I've been saying this for a few years, and I still think KG is the best comparision - as a taller power forward version of Pippen.
I think kg and pippen are great comparisons

[hitmanyr2k]

I don't see anyone with as complete a game as prime Pippen...Lebron included. Prime Pippen had the slashing game, could dunk on anyone, finish with either hand, the midrange game with one hell of a bankshot, 3 point range, a post game with jumphooks and turn-around bankers, could run a fastbreak as good as any PG in the league and on top of that his defensive versatility/impact was unmatched. I don't think there's another player like that in the league today. Lebron gets by on freak athleticism but his skillset could still use work...especially his back-to-the-basket game. His post moves and footwork still need a lot of help. His midrange game could use more polishing as well.

The rest of the players mentioned have too many holes in their games and have to be combined in some way. Garnett would have been my choice but he's not the typical perimeter player so he doesn't get to handle the ball as much. KG lacks a decent back-to-the-basket game as well.

[97 bulls]

I don't see anyone with as complete a game as prime Pippen...Lebron included. Prime Pippen had the slashing game, could dunk on anyone, finish with either hand, the midrange game with one hell of a bankshot, 3 point range, a post game with jumphooks and turn-around bankers, could run a fastbreak as good as any PG in the league and on top of that his defensive versatility/impact was unmatched. I don't think there's another player like that in the league today. Lebron gets by on freak athleticism but his skillset could still use work...especially his back-to-the-basket game. His post moves and footwork still need a lot of help. His midrange game could use more polishing as well.

The rest of the players mentioned have too many holes in their games and have to be combined in some way. Garnett would have been my choice but he's not the typical perimeter player so he doesn't get to handle the ball as much. KG lacks a decent back-to-the-basket game as well.
Nice post hitman. Very nice

[comerb]

I was too young to follow basketball during the Jordan era, but I'm watching some of the Pippen highlights now . . . he seems like he could possibly have been the best all-around player ever.
So which current player is most like him? I'm thinking Gerald Wallace maybe?


Lebron has a similar skillset. That point-forward type of skillset that Magic pioneered. Lebron's just far more explosive offensively going to the basket. Pippin's post game was more solid than Lebron's. It also seems like Lebron is a better passer than Pippin, but maybe thats just old age playing tricks on me.

Scottie was technically a better perimeter defender, but its hard to really compare them defensively w/ the handchecking rule changes.

[G-train]

You failed to notice the bloated head/face, which is indeed the telltale sign of a steroid user aka the 'steroid look'.

LOL - CJ Hunter is just plain fat, his head aint bloated. Either is Marion Jones.

Bloated face is NOT a symptom of steroid use.

[ILLsmak]

Let's clear up that LeBron and Dwight are indeed on performance enhancing drugs. But I would bet that Wade, Bosh (now), Kobe, Rondo... most NBA stars are. Especially the super athletic ones. Saying they have good genes is kind of a cop out. They have good genes AND they are doping.

Don't post pictures of people who only lift or who play freaking baseball. Give me a picture of a runner because that would be more realistic but even then they are not as built for endurance and training in short spurts. What about Lance Armstrong?

Why does it taint someone to know they are on PEDs? They are professional athletes...


-Smak

[evilmonkey]

How bout Even Turner? Was just watching him and was thinking this guy really reminds me of a young Pippen...

[DLeagueWannabe]

McGrady was always supposed to be that guy....

[OldSchoolBBall]

I agree. I don't think lebron is much better. But he's definately better

Lebron is on a completely different level than Pippen. Give it up already.

[SinJackal]

Manu Ginobili is pretty similar, though he's smaller obviously (so less of a rebounder than Scottie was), but also faster and a better shooter (by far). They're both great defenders, good at creating for teammates, and are both basically the career 2nd option on good teams.

Other than the size/shooting difference, I'd say they're pretty similar from a production and defensive standpoint.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I really don't understand some of these comparisons, people keep mentioning guys like Josh Howard and Gerald Wallace completely ignoring Pippen's playmaking. Pippen averaged 7 assists one year, he was the closest thing the 90's Bulls had to a point guard. That can't be overlooked.

Basically, Pippen was a point forward, arguably the greatest perimeter defender ever, a 20+ ppg scorer, 6'8" with a freakish wingspan, a fairly good shooter and he had a good post game. He was great in the open court, too. Of course, he was a very good finisher as well. Not to mention that he was one of the best rebounding small forwards.

Igoudala is by far the closest comparison. But he's not near Pippen's level as an overall player, even though I like Iggy.


Peak Pippen wasn't that far behind Peak Hill. And overall prime's Pippen>Hill

I don't think Hill was better than Pippen at his peak, I'd take Pippen because of his defense.

[97 bulls]

Lebron is on a completely different level than Pippen. Give it up already.
He's better but he's not "on another planet" better. And like I've said before, well never know just what pippen could've done with a good 7 years and some quality players built around him. But based on his 94 and 95 season where he was one of the top 5 players especially in 94 I believe he'd be better than what he was able to show playing behind jordan

[SourPatchKids]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:liqM6ye2WRZlYM:http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac226/dazzitboy/TACO-2.jpg&t=1

[Jacks3]

He's better but he's not "on another planet" better.
yes, yes he is.

[G-train]

Let's clear up that LeBron and Dwight are indeed on performance enhancing drugs. But I would bet that Wade, Bosh (now), Kobe, Rondo... most NBA stars are. Especially the super athletic ones. Saying they have good genes is kind of a cop out. They have good genes AND they are doping.

Don't post pictures of people who only lift or who play freaking baseball. Give me a picture of a runner because that would be more realistic but even then they are not as built for endurance and training in short spurts. What about Lance Armstrong?

Why does it taint someone to know they are on PEDs? They are professional athletes...


-Smak

Learn to comprehend man, poster says 'this is the steroids look' so I post pics proving there is no defined 'look'.

[Dave3]

Which is better 30,7,7. And very good defense? Or 25 (which I think scottie gets in this league) 9 and 7 with goat defense?
For the sake of argument, it's closer to 30 9 7 for LeBron....plus 65+ wins and no legitimate all stars on the team...

[OldSchoolBBall]

He's better but he's not "on another planet" better.

Sure he is. Lebron is on that Jordan/Kobe/Magic level, Pippen was on a completely different level.

How many times would a team of Lebron and average players at every other position lose to a team of Pippen and average players if they played 100 games? Maybe 5-10 times, if that. That's dominance. That's next level shit, kiddo.

[97 bulls]

For the sake of argument, it's closer to 30 9 7 for LeBron....plus 65+ wins and no legitimate all stars on the team...
I think the team he had was better than the team pippen had. And pippen got his 55 wins in a stronger conference. And antawn jamison and mo williams have both been all-stars.

[97 bulls]

Sure he is. Lebron is on that Jordan/Kobe/Magic level, Pippen was on a completely different level.

How many times would a team of Lebron and average players at every other position lose to a team of Pippen and average players if they played 100 games? Maybe 5-10 times, if that. That's dominance. That's next level shit, kiddo.
Lol the fact is that lebrons team with shaq, jamison, and mo williams faired no better than pippens team with bj armsrtong, horace grant and toni kukoc. They both were put out in the second round by the eventual eastern conference champion. And that champion eventually lost in a game seven in the nba finals. In fact, pippens team went farther cuz they lost in 7. I like stats but im more impressed with results. Bucko

[nbacardDOTnet]

Lebron....

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but

Rodman:

[CF#8RR#9]

Lol pippen and jordan didn't absolutely dominate the league? Let me ask you this. The one year that pippen took the reigns as the best player on the team, he was 3rd in the mvp voting behind david robinson and an alltime season put in by olajuwan. I guarantee that pippen gets an mvp award if he plays now. And im sure james doesn't win his awards over olajuwan in 94. Do you agree?

I agree everything you say besides the part where you say Lebron would lose to Hakeem in MVP voting. It would prob be the teams record at that point because it would just be so close. Hakeem averaged 27 12 4 4 Lebron averaged 29 9 and 7 last year with 1 block. They are at different positions and thats why Hakeem has 4 blocks and 5 more rebounds but Hakeem still got 4 assists. Thats actually a good arguement on who would get that MVP

[OldSchoolBBall]

The Pippen overrating continues. When people put him in the Bird/Lebron/Jordan/Kobe class, they've gone way too far.

[Scribbles]

Are you guys high?

Lamar>>>>>>>Pippen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lebron.

[Maga_1]

I think Lamar is a good comparision for Pippen right now.

[RUCKER]

The only player that ever came close to being the next Scottie Pippen, was Robert Horry. Hands down, bar none.

[RUCKER]

The Pippen overrating continues. When people put him in the Bird/Lebron/Jordan/Kobe class, they've gone way too far.


Yeah but Pippen had just as much to do with the Bulls 6 consecutive championships as Jordan did. I don't care what anyone says. Pippen went on to win championships without Jordan. Jordan never went on to win any without Pippen.

So Pippen was more key to the Bulls winning championships than Jordan was.

[2LeTTeRS]

Yeah but Pippen had just as much to do with the Bulls 6 consecutive championships as Jordan did. I don't care what anyone says. Pippen went on to win championships without Jordan. Jordan never went on to win any without Pippen.

So Pippen was more key to the Bulls winning championships than Jordan was.

What year did Pip win a title without MJ? Damn you know nothing about basketball.

[97 bulls]

The Pippen overrating continues. When people put him in the Bird/Lebron/Jordan/Kobe class, they've gone way too far.
Its not overrating. The guys you mentioned are in the top class. Let me ask you this. Is pippen in the next class that includes guys like malone, barkley, barry, garnett, robinson. Guys like that? Or is he in the class of glen rice, steve smith, byron scott, etc? What kind of players is he lumped with or should he be lumped in with in your opinion.

[lilWesleyJ4]

I know my man Wesley Johnson mimics his game after him. The only problem with that comparison is that Wesley does not have good (let alone elite) handles yet.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Lebron is on a completely different level than Pippen. Give it up already.

LeBron is easily the better player, but your delusional with that "completely different level" bs.

[97 bulls]

LeBron is easily the better player, but your delusional with that "completely different level" bs.
Exactly.

[Wordup]

I was too young to follow basketball during the Jordan era, but I'm watching some of the Pippen highlights now . . . he seems like he could possibly have been the best all-around player ever.
So which current player is most like him? I'm thinking Gerald Wallace maybe?
Don't copy my "Similar players to Ron Artest thread"

[blondie]

Lebron is move dominant than Scottie but both players also have the same choker mentality, no matter how good they are their mental block and choking holds them back from winning a chip, they need to play next to a true clutch killer to win a title. Pippen needed Jordan, Lebron needs Wade

[Bigsmoke]

Iggy

[OldSchoolBBall]

Yeah but Pippen had just as much to do with the Bulls 6 consecutive championships as Jordan did. I don't care what anyone says. Pippen went on to win championships without Jordan. Jordan never went on to win any without Pippen.

So Pippen was more key to the Bulls winning championships than Jordan was.

LMAO @ all of this. :oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Its not overrating. The guys you mentioned are in the top class. Let me ask you this. Is pippen in the next class that includes guys like malone, barkley, barry, garnett, robinson. Guys like that? Or is he in the class of glen rice, steve smith, byron scott, etc? What kind of players is he lumped with or should he be lumped in with in your opinion.

Pippen is better than Rice/Scott etc., but he's not as good as any of the other group of players you mentioned (Barry/DRob/KG/Malone/Barkley - in fact, in some cases he's not nearly as good as those guys).

[madmax]

Lebron is move dominant than Scottie but both players also have the same choker mentality, no matter how good they are their mental block and choking holds them back from winning a chip, they need to play next to a true clutch killer to win a title. Pippen needed Jordan, Lebron needs Wade

Lebron is far from being a choker:facepalm Let's get real here son - a player who hits countless game winners and buzzer beaters in playoff games cannot be considered a choker. The fact that he didn't win ring yet has nothing to do with "choking" or "quitting". Those Cavs teams overachieved in a first place because of brilliant James all arround play - just putting things in perspective here

[97 bulls]

Pippen is better than Rice/Scott etc., but he's not as good as any of the other group of players you mentioned (Barry/DRob/KG/Malone/Barkley - in fact, in some cases he's not nearly as good as those guys).
I don't see why. I think youve agreed that if pippen had his own team, he'd avg about 24 ppg and 8 rbds and 7 assists, along with great defense. Is that far off from the KGs of the world?

[OldSchoolBBall]

I don't see why. I think youve agreed that if pippen had his own team, he'd avg about 24 ppg and 8 rbds and 7 assists, along with great defense. Is that far off from the KGs of the world?

I said "in some of those cases not nearly as good"; I was referring to Barkley/DRob/Malone. He's not so far away from KG or Barry, but still clearly behind them imo.

I also don't think Pippen would average 24/8/7 on the average team in the 90's (on a fast-paced team, sure). More like 22-23/8/6

[sirkeelma]

Tayshaun? Lebron?

Pippen was his own animal. No one really compares..
"most similar"

[97 bulls]

I said "in some of those cases not nearly as good"; I was referring to Barkley/DRob/Malone. He's not so far away from KG or Barry, but still clearly behind them imo.

I also don't think Pippen would average 24/8/7 on the average team in the 90's (on a fast-paced team, sure). More like 22-23/8/6
I meant on a fast paced up tempo team. Hell I could see him getting around 26 as a high for a season or 2. How is that far off from the other guys?

[purple32gold]

nicolas batum

[OldSchoolBBall]

I meant on a fast paced up tempo team. Hell I could see him getting around 26 as a high for a season or 2. How is that far off from the other guys?

Because DRob was a 28-30/11/3-4 blk/53% defensive monster on a slow/average paced team? Because Barkley is just clearly, clearly better than Pippen? Because Malone was a 27+/12/4 ast/53% player on a slow paced team?

[juju151111]

I meant on a fast paced up tempo team. Hell I could see him getting around 26 as a high for a season or 2. How is that far off from the other guys?
Barkley>>>PIP WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THIS AND PIPPEN ISN'T ON LJ LEVEL.

[KG5MVP]

Scottie was most similar to prime T-mac

[Samurai Swoosh]

Scottie was most similar to prime T-mac
:facepalm

[KG5MVP]

:facepalm

why :facepalm

[97 bulls]

Barkley>>>PIP WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THIS AND PIPPEN ISN'T ON LJ LEVEL.
Like I said, give pippen 7 years with his own team and hed have damn good stats and a bunch of playoff losses. And james is better than pip but not wyyyyyyy batter. You guys just hate on pip. What players does pippen rank with?

[97 bulls]

:facepalm
What player would you lump pippen with?

[step_back]

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/4/4b/Act_danny_granger.jpg

[97 bulls]

Because DRob was a 28-30/11/3-4 blk/53% defensive monster on a slow/average paced team? Because Barkley is just clearly, clearly better than Pippen? Because Malone was a 27+/12/4 ast/53% player on a slow paced team?
All those guys were first options. Is 24 ppg 8 rebounds 6 assists 3 steals on 49% and all-time great defense that far off? Like I said, pippen was a guy that could be the best player on a 50+ win team just like everyone other guy you named.

[FindingTim]

All those guys were first options. Is 24 ppg 8 rebounds 6 assists 3 steals on 49% and all-time great defense that far off? Like I said, pippen was a guy that could be the best player on a 50+ win team just like everyone other guy you named.

quoted for truth.

...and here I was starting to think Pippen was getting overrated....

24 ppg, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals on 49% is a reasonable prediction for Pippen as the main guy.

Add in the fact that he is arguably the best defensive player IN HISTORY, and you've got yourself a guy who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as D-Rob, Malone, and Barkley.

Let's try the "pickup game test." If you've got the first pick and Robinson, Pippen, Barkley, and Malone are the top 4 available, who you got? It's debatable, right? And if we can agree that the "pick order" is debatable, then doesn't that show that Scottie belongs in the group?

[Joshumitsu]

Nicolas Batum.

While he lacks the skill of Scottie Pippen, he has said so himself that his game is patterned after the all-time great.

You have to think of it as comparing Tim Duncan and Brook Lopez. Lopez will NEVER be Duncan but because they're both big men who don't rely on flashy techniques to score, they can be compared.

More so with Batum when compared to Pippen. The kid can pass, handle the ball, move across the floor like Lebron. His jumper and dunks look like Pippen's. The form is there. The defense is there. He just doesn't utilize it all like Pippen.

Seriously, watch more Blazer games this year and you'll see why he gets the comparison.

Michael Jordan said it himself that Batum reminded him of a young Pippen.

Will he become Pippen? Not likely. But he's got some nice skills and I think people should watch out for him.

[sundizz]

Scottie Pippen:
-10x All Defensive team (8 first, 2 second)
Best season
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 5.2 apg, 2.9 spg, 1.1 bpg, shooting 48% fg
-Arguably the most athletic player in the league
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJOQcH-LhaQ

*Synopsis of Scottie: Ultimate wing/sf defender of all time. Had the quickness, instincts, length and strength to be the best defender. Insanely athletic, great change of pace, first step quick (but not blazing) and one of the best two foot jumpers in traffic ever. One he turned the corner, he'd turn the shoulder and deliver a facial on anyone in the league. Not a great shooter or long range bomber but understood spacing better than anyone and put his team in the proper offensive set as a point forward. (either push for transition, slow down for halfcourt, etc).

Current players comparison: Blake Griffin
*Reasoning: The NBA is longer, stronger, and much more athletically gifted than before. Blake is a stronger, equally athletic version of Pippen. Doesn't have the handles, or point forward mentality of Pipp but has a similar understanding of spacing and getting to the right spot. Similar style of attacking from the perimeter. Uses low post turnarounds, etc more often.

He is 'PF' version of what Scottie Pippen was to SF's in his era. They are both better ball handlers, faster, more athletic, versions of the contemporaries that they play alongside.

[Soundwave]

Agree with the Granger comparision.

[Nash-tastic]

Scottie Pippen:
-10x All Defensive team (8 first, 2 second)
Best season
21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 5.2 apg, 2.9 spg, 1.1 bpg, shooting 48% fg
-Arguably the most athletic player in the league
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJOQcH-LhaQ

*Synopsis of Scottie: Ultimate wing/sf defender of all time. Had the quickness, instincts, length and strength to be the best defender. Insanely athletic, great change of pace, first step quick (but not blazing) and one of the best two foot jumpers in traffic ever. One he turned the corner, he'd turn the shoulder and deliver a facial on anyone in the league. Not a great shooter or long range bomber but understood spacing better than anyone and put his team in the proper offensive set as a point forward. (either push for transition, slow down for halfcourt, etc).

Current players comparison: Blake Griffin
*Reasoning: The NBA is longer, stronger, and much more athletically gifted than before. Blake is a stronger, equally athletic version of Pippen. Doesn't have the handles, or point forward mentality of Pipp but has a similar understanding of spacing and getting to the right spot. Similar style of attacking from the perimeter. Uses low post turnarounds, etc more often.

He is 'PF' version of what Scottie Pippen was to SF's in his era. They are both better ball handlers, faster, more athletic, versions of the contemporaries that they play alongside.
Say wha-?

[sundizz]

Say wha-?

There are no current players ANYTHING like Scottie Pippen. Nic Batum, Granger, etc are nothing like Scottie from what I've seen of them play. The closest would be Andre Iggy I guess. It's not a numbers thing in my opinion...Scottie Pippen was the best all around SF and defender of his era and he did it with athleticism, strength, quickness and playing the game a certain way. From what I've seen of Blake Griffin I think he can be similarly successful, but at the PF position. Of course his stats would be different, more pts/bounds, but I am talking more about his ability to pace games, play athletic on both sides of the ball, and his awareness with court spacing and where to be in an offensive set. Additionally, I think Scottie played with a certain calmness and strong willed attitude that I only see coming from Blake. Blake may not be a point forward, but I can see him grabbing the board, dishing it to a guard, and sprinting up the floor and finishing with an alley oop. That combination of usable skills is very Pippen-esque I think.

Just an opinion :confusedshrug:

[stephanieg]

Sad thing is, Pippen wouldn't be allowed to be a good defender in today's peewee league. He'd have to turn into a flop/charge whore like everyone else.

[2LeTTeRS]

Has anybody listed Manu yet? I know he's a 2 and not a 3, but he can run the point when needed, is a quality defender, and has proven himself to have a winning mentality. He's also clutch as hell.

[RaceBannana]

Rajon Rondo....before you flame me.... think about it....

Rondo + 6

[LT Ice Cream]

[QUOTE=RaceBannana]Rajon Rondo....before you flame me.... think about it....

Rondo + 6

[mayo'sgrizz]

James Johnson-Chicago Bulls :rockon:

Danny Granger-Indiana Pacers

[catch24]

Crash with a better offensive skill set. Everything else is basically similar. LeBron is another great comparison except Pippen obviously isn't the scorer #23 is.

[SinJackal]

Has anybody listed Manu yet? I know he's a 2 and not a 3, but he can run the point when needed, is a quality defender, and has proven himself to have a winning mentality. He's also clutch as hell.

Yeah, i did a bit earlier. He was the first guy that came to mind for me too. Great defender who hustles after balls and can run the point like a good PG. Better shooter than Pippen, but Pipp's extra length gives him a big edge defensively over Manu.

Otherwise I think what they bring to the table is very comparable.

[Walker]

How as Marion only got one mention (that I saw)? The only thing he lacks compared to Pip is passing ability.

[Jasi]

Josh Childress dudes, Josh Childress.
At a different level, but he's the same type of player.

[Round Mound]

None

[hitmanyr2k]

How as Marion only got one mention (that I saw)? The only thing he lacks compared to Pip is passing ability.

Marion lacks ball-handling skills which leads to his lack of playmaking ability. He can't create off the dribble all that well and lucky for him he played for some damn good PGs (Kidd, Nash) that spoonfed him in an uptempo system for the majority of his career. Pippen basically IS a point guard in a 6'8 frame and that's what separates the two players. I also thnk Pippen's defense had more impact on the game. Marion is known as a versatile defender but honestly I've never seen him change a game/series on that side of the ball.

[sweat mopper]

In terms of body and style, I would say Nic Batum. But he's got a looooong way to go to match Scottie on skill level.

Batum also dunks like Drexler, kid is fun to watch.

[chris2010]

Lebron minus the lockdown ability Pippen had.